How is the Eucharist philosophically possible?

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  • @bsan7070
    @bsan7070 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    3:11 , I always wondered this I was born again last summer, and I’ve always gone to a Catholic Church but as I continued in my faith and Christianity, I realize there’s a lot of flaws are in the Catholic Church but the Eucharist always intrigued me and I think it should be a part of regular Christian faith but I always wondered how do priests know that they’re turning their bread and wine into the body and blood of Jesus just like he did in that one passage, that explained it well for me, I still don’t think you need the Eucharist for salvation, though, just repent and believe mark 1:15, Ethiopians2:8-9

    • @Esch-a-ton3
      @Esch-a-ton3  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Very glad this video helped you, brother. I would think part of believing, perhaps the biggest part, is doing as Jesus commands, because even He says, " why do you say Lord Lord but do not do as I command," and then says " Amen Amen, unless you eat the flesh and drink the blood of the son of man you have no life within you." Now, I think God's power is not restricted to only those who know about and can receive the Eucharist, but I do think it applies to those who know that the Eucharist really is His body and blood. What do you make of those verses?

    • @bsan7070
      @bsan7070 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Esch-a-ton3 those verses are interesting, I don’t think he is talking about literally blessed piece of bread and wine In those verses tho (it had been a long time since I have read that chapter so I am probably wrong), if I remember correctly, I don’t think Jesus even had physical food with him when he said that, so I think it was more like when Jesus was at the well with the Samaritan woman, and he said that he could give her living water where she wouldn’t have to drink again, and he clearly wasn’t talking about literal water, but in a spiritual sense

    • @john-paulgies4313
      @john-paulgies4313 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@bsan7070 🤨 Jesus _had_ physical water present at the well... it's a well. "Give me to drink."
      And as for chapter 6, "...The bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world," which He certainly had.😉

    • @bsan7070
      @bsan7070 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@john-paulgies4313 imma take this passage as literal as I can(not trying to be rude, but I’m just trying to learn and clear of misconceptions) if Jesus was literally telling them to eat his body and drink his blood, they would be repulsed by it, bc drinking blood and cannibalism are both horrible sins in the testament. That must be the reason why a large crowd left him(I think that’s what happens In this passage), but the disciples must have seen a deeper spiritual meaning. I can see this as like how Jesus blood washed our sins away, we don’t take a shower with his physical blood but we are cleansed in a spiritual way, and if we don’t partake in accepting the book of Jesus then our sins will not be cleansed. That is were my head is at, correct me where I’m wrong

    • @john-paulgies4313
      @john-paulgies4313 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@bsan7070 52. The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
      53. Then Jesus said to them, Verily, verily, I say to you, Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you have no life in you.
      54. Whoso eats my flesh, and drinks my blood, has eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
      AUG. The Jews not understanding what was the bread of A peace, strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us His flesh to eat? Whereas they who eat the bread strive not among themselves, for God makes them to dwell together in unity.
      BEDE. The Jews thought that our Lord would divide His flesh into pieces, and give it them to eat: and so mistaking Him, strove.
      CHRYS. AS they thought it impossible that He should do as He said, i.e. give them His flesh to eat, He shows them that it was not only possible, but necessary: Then said Jesus to them, Verily, verily, I say to you, Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink His blood, you have no life in you.
      AUG. As if He said, The sense in which that bread is eaten, and the mode of eating it, you know not; but, Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink His blood, you have no life in you.
      BEDE And that this might not seem addressed to them alone, He declares universally, Whoso eats My flash, and drinks My blood, has eternal life.
      AUG. And that they might not understand him to speak of this life, and make that an occasion of striving, He adds, has eternal life. This then he has not who eats not that flesh, nor drinks that blood. The temporal life men may have without Him, the eternal they cannot. This is not true of material food. If we do not take that indeed, we shall not live, neither do we live, if we take it: for either disease, or old age, or some accident kills us after all. Whereas this meat and drink, i.e. the Body and Blood of Christ, is such that he that takes it not has not life, and he that takes it has life, even life eternal.
      THEOPHYL. For it is not the flesh of man simply, but of God: and it makes man divine, by inebriating him, as it were, with divinity.
      AUG. There are some who promise men deliverance from eternal punishment, if they are washed in Baptism and partake of Christ’s Body, whatever lives they live. The Apostle however contradicts them, where he says, The works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkeness, revelings, and such like; of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Let us examine what is meant here. He who is in the unity of His body, (i.e. one of the Christian members,) the Sacrament of which body the faithful receive when they communicate at the Altar; he is truly said to eat the body, and drink the blood of Christ. And heretics and schismatics, who are cut off from the unity of the body, may receive the same Sacrament; but it does not profit them, may, rather is hurtful, as tending to make their judgment heavier, or their forgiveness later. Nor ought they to feel secure in their abandoned and damnable ways, who, by the iniquity of their lives, desert righteousness, i.e. Christ; either by fornication, or other sins of the like kind. Such are not to be said to eat the body of Christ; forasmuch as they are not to be counted among the members of Christ For, not to mention other things, men cannot be members of Christ, and at the same time members of an harlot.
      AUG. By this meat and drink then, He would have us understand the society of His body, and His members, which is the Church, in the predestined, and called, and justified, and glorified saints and believers. The Sacrament whereof, i.e. Of the unity of the body and blood of Christ, is administered, in some places daily, in others on such and such days from the Lord’s Table: and from the Lord’s Table it is received by some to their salvation, by others to their condemnation. But the thing itself of which this is the Sacrament, is for our salvation to every one who partakes of it, for condemnation to none. To prevent us supposing that those who, by virtue of that meat and drink, were promised eternal life, would not die in the body, Ho adds, And I will raise him up at the last day; i.e. to that eternal life, a spiritual rest, which the spirits of the Saints enter into. But neither shall the body be defrauded of eternal life, but shall be endowed With it at the resurrection of the dead in the last day.