Okay I haven't watched the video yet but who's out here getting confused about the One Piece watch/read order. Also tbh I find that most "Complex" watch orders over exaggerated and you can usually just experience a series in release order or timeline order or however you want.
as someone who just recently finished a broadcast order haruhi rewatch, i gotta say i've also grown to prefer it over chronological. S1 really is brilliantly executed. and S2... well I personally *liked* endless eight, but this is where i think the order shows its weaknesses. having sigh right before disappearance is just such a jarring shift in many respects. you basically get one of the worst arcs in the series (i don't even hate sigh as much as other people do btw) right before one of the best arcs, hell one of the best pieces of media of all time. and you're very much still reeling from haruhi's strange backwards-feeling character development. the movie being much more focused on kyon and nagato helps with that, but in the back of your mind you might still be thinking "damn wtf was haruhi's deal in sigh". the chrono order gives you plenty of time to get over that with some chill episodes, and someday in the rain flows very nicely into disappearance. but the pacing of the chrono order is just really poor no matter how you slice it, and this minor caveat is not enough to dissuade me from sticking with broadcast order in the future. just something i feel like a lot of people miss with broadcast order. regarding fate/zero, it is probably the best fate anime. i highly recommend you stick with it, it has some really top notch character writing and is brilliantly directed. i would be one of those "read the motherflipping vn" people for what to do after that, but i get it can be tough to make a commitment to a 60+ hour VN lol, so no harm no foul if you just decide to watch ufotable's adaptation of it instead.
A TH-camr I love, is giant Kingdom Hearts fan and to the question "Where do I start" is always "Wherever you want" He himself started with the GBA game because a friend borrowed it to him and then jumped into KH2. And if you really want to play in an order, buy the collection (there's literally one with all the games in it at that point) and play it from left to right. They just gave you an order. All the stuff about the mobile game and stuff... I didn't play the mobile game and still I get the important things about the story. Getting into Kingdom Hearts is easy, getting out is a different story.
@@Totaraum I mean the timelime can be a bit weird (mostly if you count the mobile game), but just like any kind of long running storyline, piecing it together as you go is kinda part of the experience. I mean that's what all gamers had to do, just play the new game that came out no matter where it was placed in the timelime. You find out where it's placed by playing the games I guess Also yea, if you count the damn mobile game it's crazy, but the main storyline is pretty straight forward. It's mainly the names I think that make people think it's confusing.
"Kaginado is a 10 out of 10 in my book" = Jun Maeda brainrot diagnosis :P I think one thing that could have helped this though is that, when you talk about "Fate/Zero," you didn't seem to try the first 1-2 episodes of the other canonical "Fate" installments and incorporate that into the discussion. I don't think it was unintended, but it seems like you made your conclusion rather quickly about "Fate." I'm not saying that getting into the franchise via "Zero" is a bad idea, but rather that it might have given you the chance to juxtapose how each lays out the exposition surrounding the characters, the Holy Grail War, etc, and why fans would recommend that particular version of the story. I'm aware that I'm spending a lot of time in this comment talking about "Fate" (and I'm not even a superfan of it), but considering that it's anime's biggest "HOW TF DO I GET INTO THIS" franchise with maybe one or two exceptions (the CLAMP-verse certainly comes to mind), I suppose I was surprised by how little it took up. Also, the "Haruhi Watch Order" discussion is always free comedy XD
One of these days you'll wake up and realize you just don't understand humor lol I could've seen more of fate for sure, but my goal was to just show that starting a franchise, even one as seemingly convoluted as fate, is easy and you can have fun with it no matter how you experience it
Love the term "experience order" as many franchises utilize multiple forms of media for their storytelling. I'm also a big supporter of media with non-chronological storytelling. So many stories are chronological that it is sort of the default or assumed standard for telling stories. Not unreasonably so either as things usually make more sense in that order and human experience is also kind of inescapably a chronological experience. BUT! It's really cool when storytelling can subvert or distort that narrative expectation. I think Totaraum is absolutely right with the Pulp Fiction example - a simple, even mundane, story can be captivating if told with a thoughtful use of non-linear storytelling. I think the risk is always "Does this make the story incomprehensible?" but so long as a skilled writer doesn't overshoot that balance, I think many stories can be better and more interesting for it.
The wild thing about Fate is that there's no reason to even get worked up over watch order. A bunch of purists just got bent out of shape because the original Deen anime added a few elements to make the story work. Release order gives you all the information you need to understand the setting, at a good pace, without any unnecessary complications. You just go in release order until you get tired of it, because pretty much all the core stuff got adapted first anyway and everything after is spinoffs you can safely ignore. Zero is also fine though, some viewers just get turned off by the front-loaded exposition. I'm glad you're enjoying it so far, it was my favorite adaptation until the recent Heaven's Feel movies dethroned it.
@@Totaraum that's how i ended it, but i could see an argument being that most of the movie is during spring break, and that the songwriting of tenshi ni fureta yo pays off more if you end it on graduation
Following "watch order" lists is a really bad idea and I'm not convinced that it does anything except absolutely hinder your experience. If you used a filler list to get around the One Piece anime, I honestly question how much they really enjoy watching it at all. You want to stop every couple episodes just to make sure the next one is "the necessary one"? Are you watching the show because you enjoy it, or just because you want to get through the story faster? It's a chore at that point. You might as well read a synopsis if all you're getting from the experience is just what happens in the story. Watch orders don't really help the experience. Have you ever tried to get into Star Wars: The Clone Wars? Fans have a very specific episode order to follow that jumps around entire seasons because they're in chronological order. Not release order or even production order, but chronological. Which is terrible because on top of being a burden to seek for each episode, prequels are usually written with the context that the viewer already knows what's going to come after. So you'll have a character show up without a proper introduction because they were already introduced in a previous episode so the writers don't really take the time to reintroduce them cuz it's already been done! What benefit is there to watch it in this order, especially with a pretty episodic show anyways??? If you have to stop watching a show to check a list to see which episode you're "supposed" to watch next, your experience is being ruined.
Fan made watch orders are generally pretty bad, yeah. I watched clone wars as it aired as a kid and I was totally fine, so I don’t see why a grown adult can’t do the same lol. And agreed, it does tend to take you out of the experience
For me I check the watch order online and if the chronological order so I know when to watch specials and such but if it starts to rearrange episodes I say screw it and just watch the release order
Here is how I watched fate. Idk if its correct, but its how I watched it. 4 episodes of Deen/staynight first. all of Unlimited Bladeworks. All of Deen/staynight. Then the two heavins feel movies that were out at the time. I have seen half of fate zero... idk. thats prob enough fate for me. I liked deen/staynight the rest were fine... I think people should watch Garden on Sinners rather then fate. in order by number... much better... idk... too complicated
Persona 1 and 2 are the only games that should be played in order since you'd need to do that to get the full context of who the characters are and how Personas came to be
I'm cool with whatever watch order unless it's something like Horimiya. when second season is literally Mass Effect 3 DLC of anime - it fixes rushed third act waaaay post factum, and you can't have great first impression twice. And even now watching it in chronological order is the goddamn pain, I am half-ready to re-edit it myself
@@Totaraum Jesus Christ, I have decieved you I watched past first 4 episodes and it's... so...much...worse Its episode after episode of inane bullshit about anything but the main couple. They didn't have a decent conversation for four episodes straight, I'm losing my mind here. This is my PSA for anyone reading this thread
I tend to prefer experiencing franchises in release order, rather than chronological order (sometimes it's already released in chronological order). I do this mainly so I can experience them in a similar way that people did as the franchise grew over time. BUT ONLY if I have the means to do so. For example, I want to start Prince of Persia with Sands of Time because I don't have the means to play the older original games. I also want to start Yakuza with the original PS2 game (yes, I'm aware the dub is whack), but if I were to recommend the series to someone else, I'd just tell them to start with Yakuza 0 because I know most people (*cough*mybrother*cough*) won't have the means or patience to start with a PS2 game when the PS4 and PS5 exist.
I recommend people to watch Railgun before Index for a number of reasons. It's Pilot alone is a better entry point to Academy City as a setting then the entire first arc of Index. But I also tell people to skip episode 2 on their first watch of the series and simply go right to episode 3. I dare you to watch episode 2 and tell me I'm wrong to advise that.
Great video but you should DEFINITELY watch the toaru series in my order, of a certain scientific railgun s1 and s2 first and then jump into reading the a certain magical index light novels until the festival arc (volume 10) while watching a certain scientific accelerator after volume 6 so once you get to railgun s3 everything has context. Anyway what was I gonna say about the video again?
The first step of getting into Warhammer 40K is to spend over a thousand dollars. Also, as a One Piece fan I recommend starting with the ANIME, then jumping to the manga somewhere around Skypeia.
What Disney Trilogy? Star Wars ended back in 2005 with ROTS. Jokes aside great video as always. In regards to Star Wars, I don't get too hung up over it but I would recommend watching the prequels first cos that's how Lucas designed and intended for them to be watched. With Fate, I've heard from fans that it basically has no good anime adaptations and that you definitely shouldn't have Fate/Zero be your introduction to the series. Because of that, I've decided to just start with the original VN (without the H-scenes ofc). Also glad to hear you loved Killers of the Flower Moon as well. By far the best film of the year and the only film I watched twice in theatres.
Your brother saying "Start at Fate/Zero and stop watching afterwards." makes him a based beyond belief. Don't get me wrong, Fate was interesting at first but is just gacha bait nowadays.
The totally legal website I watched Haruhi on had it in chronological order instead of release order for some reason and I still blame that being the reason I don’t like Haruhi to this day
It has been 0 days since Haruhi was mentioned.
lmao
Okay I haven't watched the video yet but who's out here getting confused about the One Piece watch/read order. Also tbh I find that most "Complex" watch orders over exaggerated and you can usually just experience a series in release order or timeline order or however you want.
It's more so people get intimidated by its size, not it's complexity. I kinda stretch the meaning of the term in the video lol
@@Totaraum That's fair lol
Playing Axls theme in the end is the cherry on top
Hell yeah
as someone who just recently finished a broadcast order haruhi rewatch, i gotta say i've also grown to prefer it over chronological. S1 really is brilliantly executed. and S2... well I personally *liked* endless eight, but this is where i think the order shows its weaknesses. having sigh right before disappearance is just such a jarring shift in many respects. you basically get one of the worst arcs in the series (i don't even hate sigh as much as other people do btw) right before one of the best arcs, hell one of the best pieces of media of all time. and you're very much still reeling from haruhi's strange backwards-feeling character development. the movie being much more focused on kyon and nagato helps with that, but in the back of your mind you might still be thinking "damn wtf was haruhi's deal in sigh". the chrono order gives you plenty of time to get over that with some chill episodes, and someday in the rain flows very nicely into disappearance. but the pacing of the chrono order is just really poor no matter how you slice it, and this minor caveat is not enough to dissuade me from sticking with broadcast order in the future. just something i feel like a lot of people miss with broadcast order.
regarding fate/zero, it is probably the best fate anime. i highly recommend you stick with it, it has some really top notch character writing and is brilliantly directed. i would be one of those "read the motherflipping vn" people for what to do after that, but i get it can be tough to make a commitment to a 60+ hour VN lol, so no harm no foul if you just decide to watch ufotable's adaptation of it instead.
A TH-camr I love, is giant Kingdom Hearts fan and to the question "Where do I start" is always "Wherever you want"
He himself started with the GBA game because a friend borrowed it to him and then jumped into KH2.
And if you really want to play in an order, buy the collection (there's literally one with all the games in it at that point) and play it from left to right. They just gave you an order.
All the stuff about the mobile game and stuff... I didn't play the mobile game and still I get the important things about the story.
Getting into Kingdom Hearts is easy, getting out is a different story.
Yeah, as someone from the outside looking in I never really understood it’s infamous reputation
@@Totaraum I mean the timelime can be a bit weird (mostly if you count the mobile game), but just like any kind of long running storyline, piecing it together as you go is kinda part of the experience.
I mean that's what all gamers had to do, just play the new game that came out no matter where it was placed in the timelime.
You find out where it's placed by playing the games I guess
Also yea, if you count the damn mobile game it's crazy, but the main storyline is pretty straight forward.
It's mainly the names I think that make people think it's confusing.
"Kaginado is a 10 out of 10 in my book" = Jun Maeda brainrot diagnosis :P
I think one thing that could have helped this though is that, when you talk about "Fate/Zero," you didn't seem to try the first 1-2 episodes of the other canonical "Fate" installments and incorporate that into the discussion. I don't think it was unintended, but it seems like you made your conclusion rather quickly about "Fate." I'm not saying that getting into the franchise via "Zero" is a bad idea, but rather that it might have given you the chance to juxtapose how each lays out the exposition surrounding the characters, the Holy Grail War, etc, and why fans would recommend that particular version of the story.
I'm aware that I'm spending a lot of time in this comment talking about "Fate" (and I'm not even a superfan of it), but considering that it's anime's biggest "HOW TF DO I GET INTO THIS" franchise with maybe one or two exceptions (the CLAMP-verse certainly comes to mind), I suppose I was surprised by how little it took up.
Also, the "Haruhi Watch Order" discussion is always free comedy XD
One of these days you'll wake up and realize you just don't understand humor lol
I could've seen more of fate for sure, but my goal was to just show that starting a franchise, even one as seemingly convoluted as fate, is easy and you can have fun with it no matter how you experience it
His casual referral to the Star Wars sequel trilogy as “the Disney trilogy” kinda hurted
What else would I call it lol
@@Totaraum i thought "sequel trilogy" was the convented moniker!! the words "Disney trilogy" gave me whiplash 😭
Love the term "experience order" as many franchises utilize multiple forms of media for their storytelling.
I'm also a big supporter of media with non-chronological storytelling. So many stories are chronological that it is sort of the default or assumed standard for telling stories. Not unreasonably so either as things usually make more sense in that order and human experience is also kind of inescapably a chronological experience. BUT! It's really cool when storytelling can subvert or distort that narrative expectation. I think Totaraum is absolutely right with the Pulp Fiction example - a simple, even mundane, story can be captivating if told with a thoughtful use of non-linear storytelling. I think the risk is always "Does this make the story incomprehensible?" but so long as a skilled writer doesn't overshoot that balance, I think many stories can be better and more interesting for it.
Well said!
The wild thing about Fate is that there's no reason to even get worked up over watch order. A bunch of purists just got bent out of shape because the original Deen anime added a few elements to make the story work. Release order gives you all the information you need to understand the setting, at a good pace, without any unnecessary complications. You just go in release order until you get tired of it, because pretty much all the core stuff got adapted first anyway and everything after is spinoffs you can safely ignore.
Zero is also fine though, some viewers just get turned off by the front-loaded exposition. I'm glad you're enjoying it so far, it was my favorite adaptation until the recent Heaven's Feel movies dethroned it.
to this day, i'm still ambivalent on if the superior k-on watch order ends on the movie or the graduation episode
Just end on the movie for sure. It’s kinda like a companion to the ending of the show in the way it shows the other side of the song’s creation
@@Totaraum that's how i ended it, but i could see an argument being that most of the movie is during spring break, and that the songwriting of tenshi ni fureta yo pays off more if you end it on graduation
Following "watch order" lists is a really bad idea and I'm not convinced that it does anything except absolutely hinder your experience. If you used a filler list to get around the One Piece anime, I honestly question how much they really enjoy watching it at all. You want to stop every couple episodes just to make sure the next one is "the necessary one"? Are you watching the show because you enjoy it, or just because you want to get through the story faster? It's a chore at that point. You might as well read a synopsis if all you're getting from the experience is just what happens in the story.
Watch orders don't really help the experience. Have you ever tried to get into Star Wars: The Clone Wars? Fans have a very specific episode order to follow that jumps around entire seasons because they're in chronological order. Not release order or even production order, but chronological. Which is terrible because on top of being a burden to seek for each episode, prequels are usually written with the context that the viewer already knows what's going to come after. So you'll have a character show up without a proper introduction because they were already introduced in a previous episode so the writers don't really take the time to reintroduce them cuz it's already been done! What benefit is there to watch it in this order, especially with a pretty episodic show anyways???
If you have to stop watching a show to check a list to see which episode you're "supposed" to watch next, your experience is being ruined.
Fan made watch orders are generally pretty bad, yeah. I watched clone wars as it aired as a kid and I was totally fine, so I don’t see why a grown adult can’t do the same lol. And agreed, it does tend to take you out of the experience
For me I check the watch order online and if the chronological order so I know when to watch specials and such but if it starts to rearrange episodes I say screw it and just watch the release order
Because sometimes the confusion is part of the fun
Here is how I watched fate. Idk if its correct, but its how I watched it. 4 episodes of Deen/staynight first. all of Unlimited Bladeworks. All of Deen/staynight. Then the two heavins feel movies that were out at the time. I have seen half of fate zero... idk. thats prob enough fate for me. I liked deen/staynight the rest were fine... I think people should watch Garden on Sinners rather then fate. in order by number... much better... idk... too complicated
Still waiting n that Krunker Strike vid
Persona 1 and 2 are the only games that should be played in order since you'd need to do that to get the full context of who the characters are and how Personas came to be
I'm cool with whatever watch order unless it's something like Horimiya. when second season is literally Mass Effect 3 DLC of anime - it fixes rushed third act waaaay post factum, and you can't have great first impression twice.
And even now watching it in chronological order is the goddamn pain, I am half-ready to re-edit it myself
I dropped off of Horimiya after season 1 lol. I wasn’t a big fan so I doubt I’ll continue. Sounds like a mess started after I left
@@Totaraum It got better, but it got better 2 years too late. Second season is literally all the stuff that got cut from the first
It's a patch, lol
@@facepalmvideos1 lmao
@@Totaraum Jesus Christ, I have decieved you
I watched past first 4 episodes and it's... so...much...worse
Its episode after episode of inane bullshit about anything but the main couple. They didn't have a decent conversation for four episodes straight, I'm losing my mind here.
This is my PSA for anyone reading this thread
I tend to prefer experiencing franchises in release order, rather than chronological order (sometimes it's already released in chronological order). I do this mainly so I can experience them in a similar way that people did as the franchise grew over time.
BUT ONLY if I have the means to do so. For example, I want to start Prince of Persia with Sands of Time because I don't have the means to play the older original games.
I also want to start Yakuza with the original PS2 game (yes, I'm aware the dub is whack), but if I were to recommend the series to someone else, I'd just tell them to start with Yakuza 0 because I know most people (*cough*mybrother*cough*) won't have the means or patience to start with a PS2 game when the PS4 and PS5 exist.
I recommend people to watch Railgun before Index for a number of reasons. It's Pilot alone is a better entry point to Academy City as a setting then the entire first arc of Index. But I also tell people to skip episode 2 on their first watch of the series and simply go right to episode 3. I dare you to watch episode 2 and tell me I'm wrong to advise that.
Great video but you should DEFINITELY watch the toaru series in my order, of a certain scientific railgun s1 and s2 first and then jump into reading the a certain magical index light novels until the festival arc (volume 10) while watching a certain scientific accelerator after volume 6 so once you get to railgun s3 everything has context. Anyway what was I gonna say about the video again?
Warhammer, go with whatever looks coolest to you. The lore generally fits the aesthetic.
As an idiot who likes Fate. Zero is a decent enough starting point. The only issue is that it spoils some of the big reveals in Heaven's Feel.
I’ve heard, but again there are pros and cons for all of the entry points so you might as well start somewhere lol
I respect franchise chaos >:)
It's just cool lol
The first step of getting into Warhammer 40K is to spend over a thousand dollars.
Also, as a One Piece fan I recommend starting with the ANIME, then jumping to the manga somewhere around Skypeia.
I love how blunt that first sentence was lmao
@@Totaraum Low hanging fruit, but still fun to say.
What Disney Trilogy? Star Wars ended back in 2005 with ROTS.
Jokes aside great video as always. In regards to Star Wars, I don't get too hung up over it but I would recommend watching the prequels first cos that's how Lucas designed and intended for them to be watched.
With Fate, I've heard from fans that it basically has no good anime adaptations and that you definitely shouldn't have Fate/Zero be your introduction to the series. Because of that, I've decided to just start with the original VN (without the H-scenes ofc).
Also glad to hear you loved Killers of the Flower Moon as well. By far the best film of the year and the only film I watched twice in theatres.
Tho I've heard the Fate cooking anime is pretty good.
Metal
Gear?
It can’t be…
You knew?
Your brother saying "Start at Fate/Zero and stop watching afterwards." makes him a based beyond belief. Don't get me wrong, Fate was interesting at first but is just gacha bait nowadays.
Go watch Garden of sinners or anything else by type moon
The totally legal website I watched Haruhi on had it in chronological order instead of release order for some reason and I still blame that being the reason I don’t like Haruhi to this day
Nothing stopping you from going back and checking out the other order
just rewatch
same thing happened to me, i went from loving it to absolutely loving it
first clannad after story, then clannad
you monster
@@Totaraum 😈
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