Flying Over People Just Got a Lot Easier!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 พ.ค. 2024
- A breakdown of the updated approval process to get an OOP Waiver.
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"without a specific location"? Wow. So it is basically a blanket approval you get for some (long) period of time if you have one of the approved drones. Nice job FAA - thanks for listening.
"Gets propeller guards out of trash can...."
Or, "Order new prop guards"
😂😂😂
HAHAHAHA Me too 🤣
"Gets prop guards out of the trunk" LOL
Got mine buried in a desk drawer somewhere. 😁
I'm so happy! This is awesome news.....and I'm finally taking my part 107 this week or next. My channel is not monetized but will be in the next month or so. Flying a drone is so freeing,I love it . Hope you're all having a great day.
Happy flying sir
@dronesinconstruction thank you so much. 😀
Such a shame you pay to turn a profit off something you own.
@@dozersdady such a shame to think like that !
@@dronesinconstruction not really what's a shame is how people bow to the bs. You can buy a 10k dollar drone no training or certs you can fly that drone no training no certs but If I use MY DRONE to take pictures of MY HOUSE to use to sell the house I have to take a class and pay for a cert that's the shame.
I hope you’re going to do some reviews of ASTM parachute modules soon.
Thanks to Pilot institutes waivers made easy, I’m now getting authorization for military class D airspace in a zero grid at night to fly over people. Thank you for all you do.
wow well I had fun with the drones I owned in the past. I currently do not own one but they were fun to have before the FAA got involved
Super awesome news!!! Thank you Pilot Institute for staying on top of FAA related information! 🎉🎉🎉
Great information, Greg. Thank you.
This is a great change. I'm a teacher and have been frustrated that I can't do a flyover of my students when we are outside learning about the world. This makes it easier to share what we do with parents and the community.
I just got these new diamond-tip propeller blades for my drone and was flying it about 200 feet agl when something went wrong and my drone fell out of the sky. It came down like a comet! As it went past a building, its blades dug deep into the marble surface, leaving huge gouges all the way to the ground. When it hit, it left a crater five feet deep! You can see why it's so important that we have these regulations in place, because that happened three more times that day!
Five foot crater. Get real, 5 cm maybe. Hope you fly better than you measure. 12:54
@@bh2562 It was deadly. DEADLY, I TELL YOU! I'm glad the FAA is protecting the public from our dangerous drones!
@@bh2562 More like .005 cm maybe. My FPV more likely to fall apart than anything else if it fell from the sky.
😂😂😂😂😂
He's being sarcastic
This is fantastic news. Can't wait to get our waiver. Thanks for the update Greg.
Thank you for this update, love the channel 🎉💜
Great news Greg! Thanks! Will share
Thanx for the update!
Thx, for the great news, Greg
Thanks so much for the info! What’s the expected turnaround time for the waiver approvals?
I love that the drones I fly are sitting on that table.
This is just fantastic! Will you be making a video for the Part 107 course? I'm positive that your video on the airspace waive is why I got approved.
Would also appreciate another update on drone parachute technology. I saw your Manti 3 review and it is certainly something I will look into. Thanks for sharing.
Parachute system 150.00. Once ASTM certified, 1600.00. Looks like I have another reason to buy a Mini series.
Hi Greg! Thank you this update!
In the waiver application, it requires a "proposed location, with the class of airspace we want to operate... How do we fill this? Unless for a planned specific project, we don't necessarily know what the airspace will be? (given it would be for all airpsaces that do not require a special waiver, outside the LAANC authorization). Thank you for the insight!
AWESOME..!
Curb your enthusiasm! Now what did I do with my Avata? Thanks PI Team!
Awesome news! Is the waiver link available here?
As a storm chaser, this is a must and I'm delighted. I applied today--as always, Greg, your guidance and direction is essential. I also didn't know I needed to re-register my drone under my Part 107 (which I got after taking your course). $5 well spent. I like being in compliance with my flights.
Where did you find it to apply? Could you provide a link? Thank you.
So this is open now to apply for Jason?
@@stephenwarriner5137 Go to your FAA Drone Zone login. Be sure you are logged in as a Part 107 pilot. Then you can add waivers from that site. Easy peasy. And yeah, it appears active as no specific location was required. I applied for day, night, and twilight ops. I don't know when I'll hear back. :)
@@DavidDrummondTX Yep :)
@@stephenwarriner5137 Go the FAA Drone Zone to login. Make sure you are registering as a Part 107 pilot. Then make sure your device is registered. From that site, you'll see the section to request a waiver. Fill it in. I applied for day/night/twilight ops. They have questions about your drone (lighting, guards, etc). You have to provide some justifications, but it was easy to submit.
Just got Avata 2! Yay!
So a waiver to some regulation that is a bandaid for over-regulation - that also adds a little bit of extra regulation in the waiver? Nice. It would be interesting to see the approval rate and delay after a few months. Hope they will do better than rejecting %97 of what people want. Thanks for the video!
They've already approved a huge backlog from over the winter. Very fast now.
This industry is still excessively over-regulated unfortunately.
Not regulated enough clearly if someone is going to get to fly a drone over me.
@@real100talk5 they will get to and you’ll just have to deal with it just like for airplanes. 😭🤣
@@EpicSpaceflight Yeah because no one has ever sued when a plane crashed. Did you think that through even for a split second before commenting? NO? Didn't think so.
@@EpicSpaceflight womp womp. DJI banned in US House, Senate next. Lol
Any suggestions on how to word the Proposed Location of Operation section of the waiver?
Weird, I purchased a Avata 2 yesterday for the 'speed' and being able to fly indoors during bad weather, now I discovered I can use it to for video, it does have a decent camera...
Does your company submit waivers for companies? We already have a fly-over people waiver but need to renew it with fewer restrictions.
Which parachute is approved for dji air 3 ?
I just got my waiver for operating over people and moving vehicles last night. It took six months, but worth the weight
Help, will pay not a great writer 😀
Looks at old phantom something or whatever's airplane props I like to fly with wondering how I'm build guards for it ? ? ?
Greg, can you cover how the parachutes work and where to get them?
We will have a video for this.
I wish the waiver flying near airports could be easier. My house is 1 mile away from the end of a rarely used runaway at a busy regional airport (most takeoffs/landings are on perpendicular runways). I would like to use my drone to inspect my solar panels and roof. I won't be flying over 50 feet. If there is an airplane flying 50 feet over my house they are either in serious trouble already or a giant a-hole.
50' is a great start for flat airport areas. I live in the city and the trees are around 75' If a aircraft is that low "Huston we have a Problem. Have a blessed day.
You don’t need a waiver for that, you need airspace approval. Did you try to submit an approval via the FAA DroneZone or via Aloft AirControl.
Does the dji need a remote Id
@@PilotInstitute Im in the same position. Ive submitted several LAANC approvals always getting denied. Has the FAA updated reqirements on listening/ announcing your flight operations on VHF/Airband radios? Is it a requirement or just good practice?
I am in waking distance of hunter airfield,and have airspace authority to fly around my house.
@PilotInstitute
Important question:
Is this JUST the weight of the drones, or any weight upon takeoff similar to what other regs measure? This is important because, doing the math, the Avata 2 PLUS the firehouse strobe light would just push it over that 399 gram limit. Not to mention the weight of the velcro webbing used to attach the strobe. Seems like that would JUST push it over the edge which is just horrible. Fortunately I also have a mini 4 pro which, doing the math, puts it at 390 grams with all the necessities mounted. That is, pro battery for RID activation, both prop guards, and the strobe with 8 grams to spare. However, I'm fortunate, and some others here only have the Avata 2. Hopefully they don't have to go having plastic off for the weight.
so we only have to do this once for multiple locations? wow if that is correct, definitely not regretting getting the mini. Now to go and find the guards lol
DJI indicated that Avata 2 is not equipped with strobe, what after market strobe is recommended
Hello Greg et al. I'm a proud Pilot Institute grad (section 107) and the owner of an Avata 2. I purchased a Vifly anti-collision beacon, so I could apply for a waiver to fly over people. I so applied and was rejected. My application was broad seeking a general waiver of the rule in Section G airspace anywhere. The rejection letter: " In particular, your request did not describe your operation and it did not provide an explanation of how the operation would be safely conducted." Do you have any further guidance on the level of detail the FAA will require for this waiver? Thanks. Jeff
It's been a while since I passed the P107 exam. OOP is allowed with a drone
I have the need to fly over a small boat doing donuts with 2 passengers to promote a boating adventure business. Is there a special waiver for an operation like that, that doesn't make me have to get a parachute? There operators of the boat understand what I'm doing and give me permission. Thanks!
This is awesome!! Greg, since you are an insider; do you think they (the NPS) will open up National Parks with a waiver? Does the FAA have any influence? I mean . . . drones are proving to be safer than cars (and people) and both are allowed at NPs.
Cars are not allowed everywhere in NP. The problem with drones is that they have flammable batteries which can cause issues. I don’t see the NPS changing their rules any time soon.
@@PilotInstitute yeah the batteries . . . good point. Thanks Greg. I was referring to automobiles (and people) that do more damage to NPs than a drone ever would.
Greg, does that apply to recreational flights as well?
You can’t submit for any type of waiver without a part 107 so this would not apply to recreational flyers.
@@Virus1024x Thanks.
Us recreational flyers will have to continue to be renegades.
@@Thunderbyrd. 🤣🤣🤣
What is turnaround time on approval?
Great! An ASTM Parachute costs as much as my drone! 1-2k
Do you think they will approve it for a real estate agent?
Has anyone flown much with the pro guards on a Mini 4 Pro? I flew once and it was extremely erratic, and I have never put them on again. I know it has to switch to pro guards mode, but the spazzing out was enough for me not to try it again and I can't imagine how bad it would handle in the wind.
My concern is the cost of an ASTM Parachute System. The prices I am seeing with the ASTM data for waivers is in the neighborhood of $2000. I think this was for the Phantom 4 V2. I am hoping more companies will develop parachute systems and the cost will come down some.
R&D is expensive for these. You can likely make that money back in a few flights.
That price is absolutely mind-boggling.
Think about the cost of product liability insurance.
The price of these Parachutes you might as well get a mini 4 pro to do away with that requirement. Until it is banned at least...
YES!!! is this active on the FAA website yet? (searched but I didnt see it)
It is active but they are updating the PDF with more info.
I had the same problem. Could only find the old rules not the new ones
@@stephenwarriner5137did you find it yet?
I was just at an event, and as usual, no propeller guards for those flying their drones over people, and no observer standing by.
But did you die?
Some reasons why some will love the band. Some people just don’t like following simple rules.
What does the light have to do with flying over people to avoid manned aircraft? Wouldn't that be a possible risk all the time?
What's the specific waiver document name?
I see the StartRC guards for the Mini 3 Pro are much lighter, and provide less prop protection than some of the others. Specifically, the top of the props remain exposed. Any idea how the FAA will look at this? Would the StartRC qualify for this waiver? And thanks for the update!
The FAA won’t look at what product you use. They just want you to put props on that prevent lacerations. It’s up to you, as the pilot, to decide if this is enough protection and if it exposes you to more or less liability.
This is great news. Hopefully they don’t end up like form (insert number here) in another agency and get multi year backed up.
I was told by the FAA last week that they processed more waivers in a week than in the previous 5 months.
@@PilotInstitute that’s good. They have sped up ones in the other industry too, but they left the backlogged ones backlogged. I know I’m getting one put in soon. Will be a good restriction lifted.
I feel the FAA is at least trying, in some ways, to do the right things. Government moves slow. In most cases that’s a good thing. Just hard to remember that when it’s something we want.
Where did I put those pesky prop guards?
Where do you find an anti collision light that is visable from a mile during the day? I have done a lot of testing over the past year and have never found a light that is that bright.
I came here to ask this. The Firehouse strobes are the usual go-to and against a sunny sky they vanish well below a 1/2 mile.
'Cars have to stay 150 metres away from people on the sidewalk' the risk is too great otherwise LoL
I need help filling up the waiver information. English not my primary language.
If I install propeller guards on the Mini 3pro, will I still need the waiver? It's only 249 grams..
Yes, because it's not 249g with the prop guards.
Does the waiver cover your fleet of drones if you list each one out in the request, or do you need a separate waiver for each drone?
It will cover more than one drone.
What about the EXO Blackhawk 3 Pro?
I need to look into this, FAA is not valid for me though since living in Sweden but our similar authority should have this waiver to, right?
In Sweden you will need to submit and operations manual and a SORA (risk assessment) showing how you will operate and operate safely and then you’ll be granted an OA (operational authorisation).
I started slowly flying inside a restaurant with the Avata 2, flew out the door, turned around and flew down under the deck, then back into the restaurant and flew around people, and over one guys head. What are the rules for flying inside around people? Will a waiver be required for that?
Does the Mavic 2 Enterprise Advanced have an approved parachute system?
The Enterprise line should. The limitation is currently the lack of API/SDK for the consumer Mavics - there's no way for the parachute system to instruct the drone to kill the props.
This a surprising development, but not unwelcome. I don't fly over to follow the regulations, but I would probably not fly over them on purpose because I know most people don't like. Great information, and thanks for passing this along.
Will this waiver also cover the other provisions of OOP - transitioning over vehicles, and open air assemblies?
Yes but you need to apply for it.
Do you need to have the part 107 license to apply for the waiver?
Yes.
if you have a
If you fly under part 107 you are required to have RID. I can only assume you don't, so just so you know waivers are only for part 107 pilots.
How long is the waiver good for?
A few years.
Is there specific details on the propeller guards?
No specific details for that.
This only apply for those who have part 107? Not for recreational.
Part 107 only.
Is this for recreational as well or part 107 only?
Part 107 only. You cannot fly over people recreationally.
EDIT: Already answered earlier on 5/29/24. Scroll down.
Greg, are you aware of any requirements for the type of prop guards? The DJI prop guards for the Mini 4 Pro completely encircle all four blades. Other products , including the STARTRC, leave gaps, between the two front props and between the two rear props.
Is a Part 107 required for this waiver?
Yes. Only for Part 107
For what country are you talking amd what is the FAA?
United States. FAA: Federal Aviation Administration.
I'm still unclear on whether this covers OOMV. Greg has said a few times that it does not. People in Vic's group have said to check both boxes on the waiver application. But will the new, more limited questions/responses be valid for 107.145? I don't want to delay my application if it does not.
You can get OOMV but with limitations. We got it with ours. So feel free to fill it out when submitting your application.
@@PilotInstitute thank you! I wasn't prepared to write a whole kinetic force lecture, but I'll take whatever I can get as it's just a bonus for me so I don't feel bad crossing a road. Lol
That is a lot of weight, the altitude will be considerably low, it will be cargo weight.
So question... 2:15 on the RID... I thought if we use the Mini4 with the default battery, RID is disabled, and only enables when you use the extended battery. So will we have to fly with the extended battery so RID works, or has that changed?
Correct, you would need the larger battery or use a module.
@@PilotInstituteDJI states “Do not use the Intelligent Flight Battery Plus after installing the propeller guard. Otherwise, the weight will overload the drone's capacity, and flight safety cannot be guaranteed.”
Thoughts? Is this going to overload the motors or just reduce performance?
Which parachute is ASTM certified for the Mavic 3 Enterprise?
Parazero and I think soon AVSS.
Am I missing something or are you providing a link to where we get the waiver? Thanks!
faadronezone.faa.gov
@@PilotInstitutethe only web waiver form I found asks "operation category" with category 2, 3, and "not compliant". I thought they did away with the category 2 and 3 stuff for the waiver
Is the waiver available to be filled out currently? I've been searching for it for a couple hours and can't find it.
Did you find it? I'm still searching. The web application on Drone Zone still asks if it is category 2 or 3
How many drones collided with manned aircraft in the list 10 years?
42
Do I need to pass part 107 before I can apply for waiver?
Yes.
How to comply with FAA Ops Over People? Ad 500 grams of equipment.
Anyone have any rumors on parachutes for the Mavic Pro. I know Greg said they were not available, but is anyone aware of a way to make the one that works for the enterprise work on a pro? I know its not likely, but it never hurst to ask.
You can’t make the one work from the enterprise but let’s wait a few months…
Man, the parachute requirement on those drones is ridiculous. It would leave no payload capacity left. let alone I don’t even know how you would attach a parachute system to some of the system listed.
could anyone please share the Pilot Institute Community link I want to join. Thanks
All you need is to be enrolled in one our courses. If you are already, go to community.pilotinstitute.com and use your course credentials.
Are these waivers only for Part 107 pilots, or can I apply for one as a recreational flyer?
Only for part 107.
I was wondering how the drone crew at the Indianapolis 500 last weekend was getting away with all the close over crowd shots they were getting. I guess this statute was already in place?
Waivers have existed for years. That company has been at the forefront of that process for a long time.
Does weight include the battery ?
Can I fly drone in night club with people ?
All well and good, but this is only for Part 107 pilots, right? It would be VERY helpful to state this up front, this is not obvious to those of us who don’t do this every day. Thanks!
Part 107 only, indeed.
Would love it if you cited the source for all this info so we could go read it. Also maybe an example of what these waivers are supposed to look like. Just had mine denied and the denial doesn’t really explain what they want to see.
The FAA is supposed to update the website with the new PDF but it’s not ready yet. What did you get denied for?
@@PilotInstitute I filed a waiver request for exception to 107.39 and 107.145 for my drones under 400 grams AUW, having prop guards, anti-collision lights, and RID. The waiver was denied same day. I put the date as far out as it would let me, and put the location as "all uncontrolled airspace, and controlled airspace up to UASFM limits, with 399 feet being the max altitude, with LAANC approval where applicable"
Did you answer the questions the FAA asked for that waiver?
@@PilotInstitute I mean I thought I did, but evidently they didn't think I did. It's kind of strange that the requirements are as vague as they are. I read Vic's article about it as well which suggested keeping the explanation under a hundred words, but I'm not sure how to keep it brief and cover all of the topics. Just seems really subjective.
What category would the Mavic 3 Pro fall under
The Mavic 3 is not categorized.
So for sub 250 with RID and prop guards it is all the same right? No waiver needed? Or waiver now?
No waiver, that's a category 1 drone.
@@PilotInstitute man you would not believe the crap I got on a FB group posting a crowd video showing off a tiny whoop job at an event. There is so much bad info on this topic. I am getting on the waiver though. Maybe a reason to buy an Avata 2.
You have to be careful though. Adding prop guards and anti collision light might put your craft over 249g. Also, if you're a Mini 4, RID won't work unless you are using the larger battery which puts you over 249g.
@@stephenwarriner5137 I am below 200 with RID guards and a battery.
I have avata 2 & DJI Mini, with prop guards - I don't need a waiver right? Also anyone else having issues finding the link on FAA Drone Zone?
Does adding your prop guards, anti-collision lights put you over 249g? Do you have RID? On the mini 4 the RID does not operate with the smaller battery, only the larger one and the guards and light would put it over 249g anyway. Yes, having a problem finding the new rules at FAA site as well.
How long does this approval process take? I assume you can't just send the request to the FAA on the same day you want to go out and fly?
It will take more than a day for sure. But the approval is valid for a few years.
@@PilotInstituteand is the approval only valid in the location you requested in the waiver?
Does this allow to fly over open-air assemblies?
Yes, with some caveats in the waiver.
You showed all commercially available aircraft…do these changes also include custom built aircraft?
Nope. Weight limit is what’s important, and of course, if you need a parachute, you’ll need to find a solution that is ASTM compliant.
I just googled drone parachutes.....yikes, they not cheap!
Ya cheaper just to get a new drone under the weight limit LOL. I love DJI Air 2s but I will definitely get a DJI Mini too after this