Dr. Omar, Allah swt narrated the saying (مقومه) of the (وَالرَّاسِخُونَ فِى الْعِلْمِ) very clear. In my understanding, in 3/7 are quranic verses, not signs, because Allah swt created every things in Pair. 51/49 + 36/36۔
Dr.Omar as you translated: (اٰيَاتٌ مُحْكَمَاتٌ) signs tiddly sealed while Allah swt used the word (خَتَمَ) in several places for sealed. In my understanding (مُحْكَمَاتٌ) is related to (حکم) clear precised exact commands neither more nor less are called (مُحْكَمَاتٌ).
(وَلَقَدْ اَنْزَلْنَا اِلَيْكَ اٰيَاتٍ بَيِّنَاتٍ وَمَا يَكْفُرُ بِهَا "اِلَّا الْفَاسِقُونَ". 2/99) - "اِلَّا الْفَاسِقُونَ". It means only FASIQS (يَكْفُرُ بِهَا) other than FASIQ, (یومن بھا). Dr. Omar, what do you think?
Salam Dr Ramahi, Very fundamental topic in which the word ayat in the Quran refers to sign in the universe and nothing to do with Quran verses. It is a simple concept, however I am still confused when we try to apply this concept to versus in Quran. If you can write your translation to English the Quran verse 3:7 which it was discussed a lot. It would be easy for us to grasp if you can write down here your translation to English verse 3:7 (in whatever style/ways). This will help us a lot to grasp because in this verse ayat and Kitab (Quran) are mentioned. Thank you in advance Salam
Salaam to both brothers, I request you to talk more about Emaan and the list which constitutes it (Allah, Malaikah, Kutub, Rusul/ Ambiya and youm ul Qiyama)
Salam brother Syed. I fully agree that it is a very important topic/concept. It needs to be researched very carefully and thoroughly. InshaAllah we shall do this in the future.
@@OmarRamahi2019 Salaam brother Omar, I came across the ayath 7:156 where emaan on the ayaath is mentioned. If I am not wrong, you mentioned that nowhere in the Quran Allah commands us to bring emaan in the ayaath but only talks about doing kufr of ayaath. Please correct me, if I am wrong.
@@syedabdullahmujtehdi1534 salam brother Syed, thanks for your question. Please look carefully at 7:156 and you will notice that there is no command in it to believe in the ayat. Read it carefully and you will find that Allah gives a status to those who believe in the ayat, This is totally different from commanding people to believe in the ayat.
Salam brother. I have yet to figure out what eating what was thikr Allah on it mean. Regarding the rest of the verse still is not a command to believe in aayat
Salam Dr Ramahi, When you say ayat (signs) is not also verse in Quran, if you can explain verse 27:1 “TaSeen Tilka Ayatu Al Quran wa Kitabin Mubeen”. Here clearly said Tilka Ayatu Al Quran”
salam brother. Many thanks for your excellent question. Tilka does not mean "these" but "those", so clearly Allah is referring to something that is somewhere else (i.e., using "those".) this is further support of my claim that aya is indeed a sign and not a verse.
Thank you @@OmarRamahi2019 for your response. So, in this case what you mean Quran (the reading) is not specific to the Book. Is that why you always call it Mushaf when it refer to the book ?
at 15:27 Ha Meem, you don't know what the "ayat" means, though I can point to you the meaning of the 29 chapters that start with the 14 letters of the Clear Arabic. The meanings based on the physical existence of the "ayat" found in the Book based on the Ayat of 19... "Just a small Snap shot of the Ayat, one can write a book on it with it, so just a small snap shot" 2:1 to 2:7 2:106 (19 Words) 26:192 to 197 26:196 وَأَنَّهُ (wa-anna-hu): And indeed, it لَفِي (lafii): surely in زُبُرِ (zuburi): Psalms الْأَوَّلِينَ (al-awwaleena): of the former [people]. 26: 197 (9 words) أَوَلَمْ (awalam): Did they not يَكُنْ (yakun): have لَهُمْ (lahum): for them ءَايَةٌ (aayatun): a sign أَنْ (an): that يَعْلَمَهُ (ya'lamahu): they know it عُلَمَاءُ (‘ulamaa'u): scholars بَنِي (banii): the Children إِسْرَءِيلَ (Isra'iila): of Israel 74:30, 74:31 etc Book of Psalms is the 19th Book in the Bible, Chapter 119 Verse 1 to 8 start with the letter א Aleph Verse 9 to 16 start with the letter ב Beth Verse 17 to 24 start with the letter ג Gimel etc etc, every 8th verse starting with 1 of the 22 letters in the Hebrew Alphabet given at every 8th verse, with 176 verses, 8 x 22 = 176. These are physical ayats in the scriptures! Verse 33 to 40 verse starts with ה He Verse 97 to 104 verses start with מ Mem Quran Ha Meem chapters in the Quran, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46 (7 oft repeated) 15:87 وَلَقَدْ (wa-laqad): And indeed آتَيْنَاكَ (aataynaaka): We have given you سَبْعًا (sab'an): seven مِنَ (mina): from الْمَثَانِي (al-mathaani): the oft-repeated وَالْقُرْآنِ (wal-qur'aani): and the Quran الْعَظِيمِ (al-'atheemi): the Mighty. You may need to revalue your position with comprehension of the word "Ayat" With out the "Ayat" in the book as a physical proof Peace
I'm unable to connect your understanding. Perhaps it's a little too complex for me right now, but I'm really interested in getting in touch with you, is there any way I can contact you?
@@dailydeen114 in short the book 📕 itself is an ayat/sign…and the verses itself are ayats/signs, and the multiples of the ayats sign correlate with the ayats/signs of the universe…The pondering and the studying of the ayats/signs in the book and the universe allow the two to come together as a proof of the ayah and the universe. Provide your email address we can start there! Peace 💡💚🕊️
سلام عليكم، The word " أية or أيات" means SIGN/S not SCIENCE/S So if it's SIGN/S, I do need to look for evidence "بينة or بينات" to understand the meaning of the verse interpretation. Correct me if you please.
I never implied that " أية implies or means science. it refers, primarily, to material signs, i.e., signs that can be seen, touched, observed, or measured, etc.
@@thetru123th I would refrain from passing a broad judgement on anyone. Do you have any specific point that he talked about relevant to this discussion.
Salam Brother Omar, with all respect to your work, but i dont think that you can really confidentially exclude all 382 occurances of the word "ayat" from the meaning "vers/verses" of the Qur'an.
@@OmarRamahi2019 Salam, any vers that combines "read out" with "ayat" for example 2:251 or 33:34 but there are much more. More than that, when Allah swt says that He send down/revealed the ayat, we can conclude that He refers to the verses of Qur'an. This is a common understanding, and a new or other understanding needs more evidences and proof, I guess. There are already alternative views on the translation of ayat. For example, Edip Yüksel says that Allah swt never refers to a single vers as an ayat, it must be the least 3 verses in summation to call them an ayat. My question to you is, in accordance to your whole work, what exactly is the original meaning of "ayat", and why couldnt it fit to the Qur'anic verses as well?
salam brother, I believe you are referring to 2:252 instead of 2:251. Please notice that Allah is referring to "those" ayat, not to the text by any means.
Dr. Omar, Allah swt narrated the saying (مقومه) of the (وَالرَّاسِخُونَ فِى الْعِلْمِ) very clear. In my understanding, in 3/7 are quranic verses, not signs, because Allah swt created every things in Pair. 51/49 + 36/36۔
Dr.Omar as you translated: (اٰيَاتٌ مُحْكَمَاتٌ) signs tiddly sealed while Allah swt used the word (خَتَمَ) in several places for sealed. In my understanding (مُحْكَمَاتٌ) is related to (حکم) clear precised exact commands neither more nor less are called (مُحْكَمَاتٌ).
I am Samina from Tamale, Ghana. My greeting the Dr. Omar.
Salam to both brothers, brother Omar I am here and listening this discussion and is very informative and exciting.
Dr. Omar, we need to distinguish between (قلوب) and (عقل)۔ Allah swt used (قُلُوبِهِمْ) and you translate (عقل)۔ pls think.
(وَلَقَدْ اَنْزَلْنَا اِلَيْكَ اٰيَاتٍ بَيِّنَاتٍ وَمَا يَكْفُرُ بِهَا "اِلَّا الْفَاسِقُونَ". 2/99) - "اِلَّا الْفَاسِقُونَ".
It means only FASIQS (يَكْفُرُ بِهَا) other than FASIQ, (یومن بھا). Dr. Omar, what do you think?
Salam Dr Ramahi,
Very fundamental topic in which the word ayat in the Quran refers to sign in the universe and nothing to do with Quran verses. It is a simple concept, however I am still confused when we try to apply this concept to versus in Quran. If you can write your translation to English the Quran verse 3:7 which it was discussed a lot. It would be easy for us to grasp if you can write down here your translation to English verse 3:7 (in whatever style/ways). This will help us a lot to grasp because in this verse ayat and Kitab (Quran) are mentioned.
Thank you in advance
Salam
Salaam to both brothers, I request you to talk more about Emaan and the list which constitutes it (Allah, Malaikah, Kutub, Rusul/ Ambiya and youm ul Qiyama)
Salam brother Syed. I fully agree that it is a very important topic/concept. It needs to be researched very carefully and thoroughly. InshaAllah we shall do this in the future.
@@OmarRamahi2019 Salaam brother Omar, I came across the ayath 7:156 where emaan on the ayaath is mentioned. If I am not wrong, you mentioned that nowhere in the Quran Allah commands us to bring emaan in the ayaath but only talks about doing kufr of ayaath.
Please correct me, if I am wrong.
@@syedabdullahmujtehdi1534 salam brother Syed, thanks for your question. Please look carefully at 7:156 and you will notice that there is no command in it to believe in the ayat. Read it carefully and you will find that Allah gives a status to those who believe in the ayat, This is totally different from commanding people to believe in the ayat.
Salaam
Brother Omar how would you explain this ayath 6:118
Salam brother. I have yet to figure out what eating what was thikr Allah on it mean. Regarding the rest of the verse still is not a command to believe in aayat
Please explain birth of hazrat essa only Qur'an. Thanks
Salam Dr Ramahi,
When you say ayat (signs) is not also verse in Quran, if you can explain verse 27:1 “TaSeen Tilka Ayatu Al Quran wa Kitabin Mubeen”. Here clearly said Tilka Ayatu Al Quran”
salam brother. Many thanks for your excellent question. Tilka does not mean "these" but "those", so clearly Allah is referring to something that is somewhere else (i.e., using "those".) this is further support of my claim that aya is indeed a sign and not a verse.
Thank you @@OmarRamahi2019 for your response. So, in this case what you mean Quran (the reading) is not specific to the Book. Is that why you always call it Mushaf when it refer to the book ?
at 15:27 Ha Meem, you don't know what the "ayat" means, though I can point to you the meaning of the 29 chapters that start with the 14 letters of the Clear Arabic. The meanings based on the physical existence of the "ayat" found in the Book based on the Ayat of 19...
"Just a small Snap shot of the Ayat, one can write a book on it with it, so just a small snap shot"
2:1 to 2:7
2:106 (19 Words)
26:192 to 197
26:196
وَأَنَّهُ (wa-anna-hu): And indeed, it
لَفِي (lafii): surely in
زُبُرِ (zuburi): Psalms
الْأَوَّلِينَ (al-awwaleena): of the former [people].
26: 197
(9 words)
أَوَلَمْ (awalam): Did they not
يَكُنْ (yakun): have
لَهُمْ (lahum): for them
ءَايَةٌ (aayatun): a sign
أَنْ (an): that
يَعْلَمَهُ (ya'lamahu): they know it
عُلَمَاءُ (‘ulamaa'u): scholars
بَنِي (banii): the Children
إِسْرَءِيلَ (Isra'iila): of Israel
74:30, 74:31 etc
Book of Psalms is the 19th Book in the Bible, Chapter 119
Verse 1 to 8 start with the letter א Aleph
Verse 9 to 16 start with the letter ב Beth
Verse 17 to 24 start with the letter ג Gimel
etc etc, every 8th verse starting with 1 of the 22 letters in the Hebrew Alphabet given at every 8th verse, with 176 verses, 8 x 22 = 176. These are physical ayats in the scriptures!
Verse 33 to 40 verse starts with ה He
Verse 97 to 104 verses start with מ Mem
Quran
Ha Meem chapters in the Quran, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46 (7 oft repeated)
15:87
وَلَقَدْ (wa-laqad): And indeed
آتَيْنَاكَ (aataynaaka): We have given you
سَبْعًا (sab'an): seven
مِنَ (mina): from
الْمَثَانِي (al-mathaani): the oft-repeated
وَالْقُرْآنِ (wal-qur'aani): and the Quran
الْعَظِيمِ (al-'atheemi): the Mighty.
You may need to revalue your position with comprehension of the word "Ayat"
With out the "Ayat" in the book as a physical proof
Peace
I'm unable to connect your understanding. Perhaps it's a little too complex for me right now, but I'm really interested in getting in touch with you, is there any way I can contact you?
@@dailydeen114 in short the book 📕 itself is an ayat/sign…and the verses itself are ayats/signs, and the multiples of the ayats sign correlate with the ayats/signs of the universe…The pondering and the studying of the ayats/signs in the book and the universe allow the two to come together as a proof of the ayah and the universe.
Provide your email address we can start there!
Peace 💡💚🕊️
سلام عليكم،
The word " أية or أيات" means SIGN/S not SCIENCE/S
So if it's SIGN/S, I do need to look for evidence "بينة or بينات" to understand the meaning of the verse interpretation.
Correct me if you please.
I never implied that " أية implies or means science. it refers, primarily, to material signs, i.e., signs that can be seen, touched, observed, or measured, etc.
Have u heard dr kashif khan
yes, someone corresponded with me recently and mentioned his name.
@@OmarRamahi2019 what do u think off his work is telling the truth
That was me have you checked his work out
@@thetru123th I would refrain from passing a broad judgement on anyone. Do you have any specific point that he talked about relevant to this discussion.
@@OmarRamahi2019 one off his topics he says pig not haram
Salam Brother Omar,
with all respect to your work, but i dont think that you can really confidentially exclude all 382 occurances of the word "ayat" from the meaning "vers/verses" of the Qur'an.
Salam brother Mann, can you give examples of certain verses?
@@OmarRamahi2019 Salam,
any vers that combines "read out" with "ayat" for example 2:251 or 33:34 but there are much more.
More than that, when Allah swt says that He send down/revealed the ayat, we can conclude that He refers to the verses of Qur'an.
This is a common understanding, and a new or other understanding needs more evidences and proof, I guess.
There are already alternative views on the translation of ayat. For example, Edip Yüksel says that Allah swt never refers to a single vers as an ayat, it must be the least 3 verses in summation to call them an ayat.
My question to you is, in accordance to your whole work, what exactly is the original meaning of "ayat", and why couldnt it fit to the Qur'anic verses as well?
@@OmarRamahi2019 Salam,
I am happy to say that your book was in my mail today. I hope you are ready for some questions which may arise.
@@manndesfriedens5248 absolutely, please let me know if you have any question about my book. you can find my contact email there.
salam brother, I believe you are referring to 2:252 instead of 2:251. Please notice that Allah is referring to "those" ayat, not to the text by any means.