What if the Ottomans Remained Neutral in WW1?
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As an Australian, the significance of the Ottomans cannot be understated. The country's almost entire focus was on the Ottomans from a variety of fronts, with a lot of British supplies being used over and over again. The Ottomans may not have been a fearsome military to rival that of Britain or Germany, but by simply holding out they made themselves a lightning rod for Entente hostility. The Germans needed all of the help they could get to win the war, and it would have been a fair amount shorter without years of naval and cavalry warfare on the far side of the conflict, not even considering the effect this had on the Russians. Great video as always.
As a Swede, yes
'as an Australian' is pointless
Edit: sry
@@SimonDman'as a Swede'. Why say that?
@@barsukascool Since he said: as an Australian
@@barsukascool the ottomans had imense influence over Australia during the finno korean hyper war tho
"What If The UK And US United After WW2?"
I'm sorry, what what now?
united anglo-sphere lets go
literally 1984
After a long time I have enjoyed your video ❤
What if everything went perfect for UK
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What if the good relations of the USA and Russian empire turned into a full on alliance after the sale of Alaska?
interesting but usa and russia were essentially allies pre ussr
A Russo-American alliance with the US possibly influencing and pressuring the Russian empire to become more liberalized and fairer. I like this too. Personally, I think it always made sense. Since Russia's own one continent, it's gigantic, and the United States is on another, and it's also massive. The United States gets this oceanic base in the Pacific and vice versa.
@@josephstalin839not to mention they didn’t have that many conflicting goals really. Maybe some pacific ambitions overlapped but that’s it. But I don’t see any reason why they would trade naval access, maybe in Alaska but that’s it because the U.S. already dominates a lot of the pacific while Russia has 1-2 significant ports depending on whenever we are talking about on the pacific while the U.S. has anchorage, Juneau, the entire western seaboard, Hawaii, and soon to get the Philippines.
@@josephstalin839countries are akin in some aspects, but the one most important stands high above all - ideological reasons. There woulda’ been too many “ifs” for Russia to converse to a proper constitutional republic from a full on absolute monarchy.
1905 Revolution placed Parliament to restrict ruler’s power, but… it got dissolved a year later, as I recall?.. Anyway, not gonna cut it
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Pretty much 90% of this channel's audience
@@gb4206 Unfortunate Byzaboos.
@@genovayork2468you’d be surprised to hear that PH liked the ottomans a lot, during the Berlin conference but the viewers do it vote, he personally wanted the ottomans to gain Egypt
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What if everything went perfect for Italy?
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Need this video
We need this
We need this, so much potential. Amedeo of Savoy could stay on the Spanish throne, Italy could take Tunisia before France, etc.
Oh yes!
Scenario Idea: What if Samo managed to make a clear succession to his empire, ensuring a unified medieval west Slavic realm for centuries to come?
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Alternatively, there's also the similar scenario of Great Moravia not collapsing
25 minute video lets go!
It's him
Let’s go indeed
Please do what if muslims captured constantinople in 717.
what’s good bro?
Bulgarian
Okay, why did he put "What if everything went perfect for South Sudan" on the list before italy?☠️
Cause he’s probably gonna make a video about the youngest modern state than the soft underbelly of Europe
The issue with the Italy idea is that it would spiral out of predictability way too quickly
one is the worst country in the world and the other is south sudan
I don't even like italy that much, is because it's by far the most asked video
Italy is to requested, he is just gonna troll us South Sudan
What if Henry the Eighth had a male heir with Catherine of Aragon?
The following will likely happen and potentially cause big changes in Europe:
*No Anglican church
*Weaker ties with Prussia
*Closer ties with Spain
*A likely more united British Isles
@@lynxfresh5214 if the King of France still dies the heir could marry Mary Queen of Scots.
@@lynxfresh5214 Spain didn't exist before 1707. England didn't have ties with Prussia.
@@maxomat4319 So a consolidation of an Anglo-Spanish vs Franco-Scottish alliance.
@@genovayork2468 Uh, then who sent Columbus to the Americas in the 1490s if it wasn't Isabella, Queen of Spain?
What if everything went PERFECT for the Ottomans?
Bro is delusional if we knew the realism
@@alisinanucerThe Ottomans were a superpower in the 1500s and could've expanded their influence throughout Europe while adapting. I consider it plausible if the Turks play their cards right, perhaps with a federation.
Vienna and persia would fall into our hands, and maybe Rome because we had desired to conqueror the city, Mehmet the conqueror was probably going to conqueror it if he didnt die, he landed in Italy.
@@alisinanucer bro it's a what if it doesn't need to be realistic the only matters is that it's interesting
The industrial revolution never happens. The downfall of the Ottomans started when the Spanish Armada defeated the Ottoman fleet in the Battle of Lepanto, that and colonization along with advancements in trade which give Europe much more options to trade with leaving the Ottomans with trade dominance.
In short, take out industrialization, colonization, both of which led to the Ottomans loosing major trade influence and military power relative to Europe.
Also the Ottomans are harsher on converting people to Islam and try to assimilate their conquered peoples.
It's amazing how much of history is empire and nation fighting a war that they would have been far better off avoiding.
To be fair, this probably applies to literally all war (except possibly eg to liberate extremely oppressed people (eg jews in nazi germany), etc)
That’s just imperialism for you lol
As a Turk interested in history, I can guarantee it to you that we wouldn't be better off without a war. It is not mentioned always that just because of the humiliating defeat we got after WW1, we had more reasons to have an independence war. We probably would have gotten a more methodical dissolution of Ottoman Empire had we have not joined the war, since we would literally have no one to back us up. The faster and less methodical dissolution of rhe empire resulted in the public being more proactive in wanting to be more sovereign. Therefore, I think that WW1 brought us a lot of casualties which might have set the country back a lot, but we have at least gained a chance for total independence. Had we have not joined the war and eventually dissolved methodically, I highly doubt the general public would have had the urge to fight for independence.
Scenario idea: What if the Chetniks won in Yugoslavia?
Mass Sbrenica
Pretty much Impossible
Yeah lets not do that...
Bad shit, that's what
Why would you want that?
What if Ea-Nasir became King of Sumeria?
Copper scammer uguyaheee
He'd take all the copper
Sumeria becomes the first corporatist state, under which Ea-Nasir’s copper company becomes a monopoly and through their influence over the government they prevent the start of the Iron Age.
@@lordedmundblackadder9321 Wouldn't it bring forward the start of the Iron Age? If all available copper was Ea-Nasir's, it would be such poor quality that people would desperately seek an alternative...
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When the Ottomans are sus 😳
0:24 The capital of Russia back then was St. Petersburg
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What if the Ottoman Empire colapse in the Oriental Crisis? In the war with Egypt I mean
i think 1877-1878 war with russia would be more realistic choice
@@manwithoutahorse Well, the Ottoman Empire was so desperate that it asked for help from Russia, its greatest enemy, so I think that without any external help the Ottomans would have lost much of their control over the Levant and Mesopotamia, as well as authority over the Kurdish regions.
@@lucius_fox9393 i mean as fierce as the war was, Muhammad Ali of Egypt was still a subject of of the Sultan, we can see this in his act after the war. Even without foreign intervention i don't think Egypt would gain anything more, maybe they would be completely independent which was defacto true in their Khedivate title and a bit of Levant too but I don't think this would end the Ottomans on the contrary would benefit their economy in the long run.
So you are saying that the USSR exists because the Ottomans joined the central powers?
Yup, pretty much.
damn, yet another Turkish L
@@manwithoutahorse thanks for the confirmation, we Turks will be cautious in the upcoming war against Russia to not have them become something cringe again.
@lordedmundblackadder9321 it is an L, but we Turks don't have many L's in warfare. As weird as it sounds, we Turks won half of the 12 Russo-turkish wars(1571, 1681, 1711, 1739, 1856, and 1918).
@@AbubekirYalcin14 Best time is now, Turkiye is young while pigstan is old and embroiled in war with Ukraine
Suggestion: What if everything went perfectly For Napoleón III starting when he became Emperor?
I doubt the Ottomans would actively commit genocide while at peace. They could go the medium to long term goal of assimilation, kinda how the Germans, French, and Russians (although they did commit the 70 year circassian genocides killing up to 4million)
Its not a genocide it was a relocations but there was war , famine and disaeses at that time ,for turks its either us or them situation cause armenians work with russian army and killing turkish backlines
I really really like this new editing style in videos! It makes things more clearer while also having some jokes sprinkled in.
Yeah this is really cool!
Agreed.
Yeah I loved the tiny bits of music when showing the German ship and when PH was discussing how the collapse of the Russian Empire was delayed
You gotta do "what if everything went perfect for the ottomans ?"
There are a bunch of videos for that on TH-cam already
@@heenthousiast383none of them are good
@@Pipripfat its really not gonna be much different, its just gonna be "oh wow the ottomans didnt lose and have a bunch of land and stuff now"
This video was basically “The war wasnt as bad” for most of its length until you brought up the fact that the genocide would be far, far worse
8:22 what if every thing went perfect for South Sudan? Now that’s a video I can’t wait to see even if takes month like umm…… every modern empire
or everything perfect entente...
Turks would still deny those crimes 😂
I'm an australian, and I don't think it can really go much without saying just how much this would affect australian history as well. Without the disasterous campeign, pushes for self-sovereignty would be weaker here, as one of the key things that made us begin to distance ourselves with britain was realising they saw our men as _nothing_ but expendable soldiers they could throw at unwinnable battles. This would directly lead to the rise of australian nationalism and contribute to the rise of a significant fascist minority in our state during the 1930s. With this altered, the pushes for australian statehood would likely emerge sometime after an alternate second world war if japan was our enemy, since if that was the case we'd likely see something like the Burma Road or Singapore to further make use feel disdain towards britain. All-in-all, without Gallipoli, it's perfectly reasonable to expect australian dominion status to continue into the 70 or 80s.
the opening shot made me thing this was an emperortigetstar video lol
If Gallipoli had never happened then the slaughter of ANZAC troops would never had happened. Several things occurred because of this usage of colonial troops by the British. One of them was that ANZAC troops were allowed to have their own generals, these generals were treated with more respect and lenience than most other generals. This meant that requests made by these generals would be far more likely to considered and approved than other generals even if the requests they made were against certain rules or objectives. One famous incident of a request that should've been denied but wasn't was in WW2, when New Zealand general Sir Bernard Freyberg requested that the Abbey at Monte Cassino be bombed because recon had falsely reported that there were Germans inside. This request went against specific orders to not damage important Italian works but it was approved anyway because Sir Bernard Freyberg was leading a colonial force.
TL;DR: If the Ottomans remained neutral, the Abbey of Monte Cassino would still be the original structure. The butterfly effect is a crazy thing.
I think that in this world the ottomans would have to walk a very tight rope not to anger the entente, so maybe their attacks against minorities would be somewhat mitigated. The entente may be occupied, but I wouldn't rule out them pressuring constantly the ottomans to keep in line. Also, as a little sidenote, it's a shame you didn't mention how this scenario affects zionism. It would be far more difficult to create a jewish state under ottoman rule, but the zionist movement was already getting pretty strong, and I wouldn't discard the British pressuring the ottomans to stablish some sort of autonomous state. Maybe even the French do the same with the Lebanese christians. Overall, I think that once the war is over, the entente would go back to pressure the ottomans, and they wouldn't really have all that much freedom to push for turkification.
the ottomans were already allowing massive jewish settlement. they wanted the educated jews.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 yes, but I highly doubt they would let them have any sort of autonomy without outside pressure. It's one thing to receive highly qualified immigrants that add value to the land. It's very different to abandon your own power in favour of those immigrants, especially when this puts the people of your own religion at a disadvantage.
Problem with this scenario is if the Ottomans to stay neutral, there shouldn't be a triumvirate dicatorship in the government but a democratic parliamentery which there was before this three idiots took power.
So without three pashas there wouldn't be major problems with minorities because these atrocities were their brainchild.
I don't think Brits would let Ottomans control their own oil, like they did in Iran and in future we would have a delayed Arab Revolt and maybe even a proxy war in the oil lands.
@@oihanlarranegi472 Giving away Jerusalem would serve a death blow to the Caliph title. So all of Palestine as Israel would have to be taken from Enver's cold, dead hands at the cost of millions of dead Brits or French. I can imagine a scenario where Enver makes the British and French help in conquering Turan in exchange for Israel but I doubt they would accept that either.
An actual Greek civil war might happen here, with the monarchists fully joining the central powers instead of wanting to stay neutral and eventually giving up
PART 2 WITH A SCENARIO WHERE THE OTTOMANS BECOME AN OIL EMPIRE
YES PLEASE
What if everything went perfect for the Ottoman Empire
Video idea: What if the Ottoman Empire collapsed in 1912?
Peter Griffin: Boy this is worse than the time I became sultan of the Ottoman Empire…
I subbed when this dude was at like 170 something subs, whatta guy to bring it this far, great to see how far you have come.
I saw him when he had less than 100 subs. Still not subbed.
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And he still can't edit properly.
@@lempereurcremeux3493 bubba the guy does just fine, this ain''t a documentary
What if everything went perfect for Scotland?
Suggestion: What if everything went perfect for Romania?
I am a little disappointed with the scenarios. For one, if the central powers would be unable to recruit the ottomans, they would probably get Italy to join them through large concessions (austria ceding adratic coast & promising tunisia, corsica, and french land across the alps) because they would be desperate. From there, they would be able to recruit bulgaria also, and maybe even get to keep romania and greece at the very least neutral through supporting/appealing to the respective pro-german factions. From there, they could put diplomatic pressure on the ottomans to join their side, or at the very least pressure them to restrict trade through the straits. Basically, an ottoman neutrality would have resulted in a more desperate central powers that is more likely to make diplomatic deals/concessions their neighbours. This is a likely scenario, and I would have loved to see this being explored.
Also, nazi ottoman empire scenario is extremely unlikely, as the empire would have collapsed before it could ever happen. The turks were very much a minority in the empire. Not to mention that the more radical ideas would be kept in check by more liberal counter movements, especially since neutrality would have resulted in better economic conditions and standard of living. Such an extreme geno.cide scenario requires extreme turmoil and years of indoctrination (as evident by post ww1 germany), where a large portion of the population would participate/enable such malice or at the very least remain silent/complacent to it. In the event that the people fail to prevent such malice to rise, then the entente would certainly have intervened as they would have had such an advantage over the central powers, and could recruit the help of the greeks, bulgars, or even persians to support the various ethnicities that are being mistreated. Basically, this part of the video essay is most unrealistic, and, if not outright biased/xenophobic, it is most certainly ignorant. The ottoman state at the time was not evil, just incompetent, which allowed evil people to rise to prominence (pashas). But even they were kept in check (to some extant) by those groups/individuals that were more caring.
Circassian Genocide and Genocide of the Balkanian Muslims primed the Ottoman state/population for a genocidal paranoia and pretty much sealed the fate of Christians in Anatolia and Ottoman middle east. With the loss of European holdings, Turks became a majority in the Empire that decided it had no place for non-Muslims, while the office of the Caliph would keep Muslim non-Turks like Kurds and Arabs in line.
The discovery of oil would turn the Ottoman state into an industrial powerhouse backed by endless stream of oil money. Sadly warcrimes do pay off, be it the genocidal extermination of Native Americans by the Anglos or Russian planned starvations of Tatars.
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I would think that the discovery of oil would add a greater incentive for surrounding powers to carve the ottoman empire while they are still weak, poor, and divided before geno.cide could happen. Would greece, bulgaria, russia, france, britain, or italy stand idly by when they have an opportunity to expand their empire and win the hearts of the local christians to rule over them more easily thereafter? I dont think so. Even if some of these nations become war weary bc of ww1, i dont think theyd miss an opportunity like this.
If it were to happen during ww1, i dont think entente intervention is unlikely either. In that scenario, the central powers would welcome the distraction, but i find it hard for them to justify an alliance with a pariah state.
Also im unsure just how much muslim ottomans would react to the geno.cide of people they lived next to for hundred of years and how strong it would be, and maybe this is the optimist and humanist in me, but i think a lot would resist as not all would share the same paranoia.
Regardless, i dont think that the ottomans would get away with it (as they did in this video). At least i hope not.
Wait isnt Ottomans actually tried to join entente but it got rejected by britain? Thats kinda the reason why Ottomans military bombed russia and put the empire to war by force because there was a great fear of britain turning its eyes to ottomans after finishing germany... Ottomans at least had a chance to survive in war.
Britain supporting rebels against Ottomans kinda proves this. They wanted middle eastern oil fields. THEY NEEDED middle east oil fields...
they wants it… THEY NEEDS IT 😂
Yeah and also russia bringed their troops to eastern boarder when Ottomans asked for guarante they reject it there were not a way to get way from this war
@@user-ih5uk1tj3u I mean they really needed it because of new diesel engines. The oil was new gold :P all new machines was working with it
Enver Pasha was the one that wanted to join the central powers
i'm happy. I need video about "If italy win first italo-ethiopian war"
What If China and Japan were neutral in WW2 🇨🇳🇯🇵
I like that first Russian scenario with a constitutional establishment most. A serious Anglo-German rapprochement after WW1 against the wishes of Russia and France is rather interesting. Assuming, of course, that the ex-painter doesn't take power in Germany, which I feel would be thankfully unlikely after this far more moderate Versailles treaty.
Scenario idea: what if Gallipoli succeeded and Britain secured the Dardanelles
"Actually, I was totally wrong about the reason I gave for why Russia would never catch up with the West last time, but I have discovered a newer and better reason why they wouldn't. Special discount on offer!"
please keep adding the minecraft icons when making these videos lol
I find the new editing style a little odd but definitely interesting. Gives a bit more humor to the videos and some of the new editing gives better visualization to the military strategy side of the conflicts.
I like maps
I have enjoyed Possible History, especially the viewer votes, but the newer style is bordering on "brainrot".
@@Cannon530YTYeah I'm really not a fan of it at all
Young turks ruined the ottomans. Bosnia was lost. Bulgaria was lost. Libya was lost. The balkans was lost. And they died in the first world war. And the Hijaz railway was broken., the railway connecting Constantinople to Damascus to Madinah
1908 was when the ottomans actually started to crumble HARD.
Wonder what happens if Abdul Hamid II keeps his power.
Nice work with the music and the sound effects.
What if everything went perfect for Spain?
On the communist revolution scenario - the Turks actually did try this in 1918, and made it all the way to laying siege to Baku, where one of the most unlikely coalition of allies in history successfully held them off: Armenian refugees and socialist paramilitaries, British forces from Iran, and amazingly, White and Red Russians fighting on the same side. (Technically this means the Soviet Union fought in WW1!)
What if everything went perfectly for the Ottomans, or what if the Ottomans managed to modernise? I feel like the second one is more interesting, as it has a more focused time line.
What if the Hussites won the Hussite Wars?
they already won
@@podcastler No, they did not. I know the history of my country, and they lost.
they won@@pejsek204
@@pejsek204average hungarian nationalist
@@pejsek204yes and no, cause hussites split up and 1 win and other lost. Then the king Zikmund Lucemburský created a contract Basilejská kompaktáta that allowed to be Hussie
Thanks For this! Never miss a video! Love your maps! They keep getting better!
Maps...
Scenario idea: What if everything went perfect for the UK?
It pretty much did already
12:06 More likely, that Russia would take Galicia, than Pozen, because of willing to get Orthodox region of Eastern Galicia, which also was part of Rus
Also, in this scenario, it's more likely for Russia to get ultranationalistic afterwar, than communist. Social-democracy and liberalism was widely spread across our politicians, but communism started spreading across the people only after disaster Kerensy's politics and war efforts, and, most important, because of Bolsheviks populism for stopping the war, that was scaring young regiments in Petrograd. So, without war it's very unlikely for communists to rise up in Russia
Without gallipoli surely the British empires unity would be much greater due to a lack of resentment by the commonwealth nations
Amazing video! Love your channel!
What do you think of what if everything went perfect for Indonesia?
It was impossible, few countries in the entente were already planning to separate and invade the Ottomans anyway.
Day 33 of asking for 'what if everything went perfect for Australia'.
You can say I have some very strong opinions about this scenario 💀
I couldn’t guess as to why
Considering Greece almost joined the Central Powers, be happy with what you got.
Buddy, maybe you need to learn something called “ a joke”
What if the Galipoli campaign suceeded?
What if the Beer Hall Putsch suceeded?
Do a video on Texas remaining Independent plz!
Decline and collapse of the Ottoman Empire was dramatic and tragedic but it had to happen in some point. And it was inevitable.
Do a What if where the Ottomans were Christian.
It wouldn’t be realistic at all. That’s like saying “what if the Byzantines were Muslim” it would be so unrealistic and it would just be pure headcanon
I would be open to it as long as it was paired with a what if the Vatican was sold to Zimbabwe scenario
It would be byzantium
This specific scenario woudn't be great, but maybe a scenario where the turks were converted to christianity would be cool.
@@isathefulaniThere was a point in the 1300s where that was a possibility. Sultan Orhan had a son with a Byzantine princess, who was captured by Genoese pirates later. Desperate to get his son back, Orhan signed a treaty with the Byzantines where they would retrieve the prince in exchange for the prince coming to Constantinople, marrying another Byzantine princess and being declared the heir to the Ottoman throne. The treaty failed to achieve its goal as once Orhan died his son Murad took the throne instead of the half Byzantine prince, who got killed in the process. If he had taken the throne tho once he died it's likely his son, who would have been 3/4 Byzantine, could have converted the Ottomans to Orthodoxy, as the empire at that point had a majority Christian population anyways.
What if everything went perfectly for Scotland
Scenario: What if the bolshevik revolution failed?
Video Idea: What if Gallipoli Succeded
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@@thetoscunymapper Early Ottoman capitulation, Allies help Russia, no Bolshevik revolt in the short run, lighter sanctions on Ottomans by allies, better manpower and mindpower for Ottos with less casualties and with CUP gone, many minority revolts could have been prevented so more stability for Ottomans.
No communists so millions of people live, Germans prob early capitulate too same as this video.
Middle eastern oils prob would be under British control as in Iran, Brits would have a much higher stability and continue their global domination and USA wouldn't enter the war and prob get fewer benefits off of it.
@@manwithoutahorse thank yuo
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Britain and France shocked that the Ottomans joined the central powers (everyone else saw it coming)
What if the Ottomans kept their protectorate over the Aceh Sultanate?
I will begin to say how bro fell off even though this video is only 2 minutes old like an NPC.
Heh.
Suggestion:
What if the Warsaw uprising succeeded leading to more pressure for the pre-war polish government to return possibly leading to a pro west Poland or neutral Poland in the Cold War?
I think instead of making more scenarios you should make continuations of your other videos like for example I would really like to see a pt 3 for what if everything went perfect for the central powers. Also 14:15 I think a what if everything went perfect for the entente would be really boring because they won the war anyways
What if everything went perfect for the ottomans
Ngl I prefer the feel good scenarios were the CUP moderates it's nationalism and doesn't commit untold atrocities God damn this was depressing.
Okay, that smooth camera movement is something I've never seen here, but I love it!
what if everything went terrible for usa
What if the ottomans stayed in power? (Sevres accepted, ottomans defeat ataturk)
- Weakened Ottoman Empire: The Empire would have survived but in a significantly weakened state with substantial territorial losses.
- Territorial Division: Large parts of Anatolia would be ceded to Greece, Italy, France, Armenia, and a Kurdish state would be established.
- No Modern Turkey: Without Atatürk’s leadership, the modern Turkish Republic would not have formed, leading to a fragmented Anatolia under European influence.
- European Dominance: Greater European control in the Middle East, particularly by France and Britain, would have reshaped the region’s political landscape.
- Impact on Anti-Colonial Movements: Atatürk's success inspired global anti-colonial movements; without it, such movements might have been less effective.
Loved the editing and music for this video, felt very engaging! Looking forward to more of this style.
Bro hates ww2 scenarios
i really liked this, the editing has improved a lot compared to older videos
Modern empires when?
19:00 so Pttomans become russia?
Video 2 of asking for what if sun yat sen’s china survived
Idea for a longer scenario:
What if everything went perfect for the Axis. Like for example Germany takes Britian over and Japan deafets China. But ultimatly they still lose to the Allies
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What if Turkey joined the WW2 earlier, like at the beginning?
As a Turk, we would invaded by Germans. But, when Soviets come here, we became a Communist country. So, that's on of the worst option of Türkiye. Especially a 15~ years old country.
Nah, the Entente's 1915 plans if they would win were to give Russia everything east of the Oder-Neiße, Slovakia, Galicia, France the southwest, Belgium the northern Rhineland, Denmark Schleswig-Holstein and dismantle the rest. All this while they were in a much less good position than this timeline. There's no way any scenario like the two happens. They're way too lenient.
Also, Bulgaria wouldn't receive concessions for staying neutral, the Entente has no fear of losing.
12:24 again the STUPID Romanian-Hungarian border
Exactly
THANK YOU
The end of that tip in Hungary is majority Hungarian. Giving the entirely of Transylvania to one of these two creates a stupid border. Romania should at least be pushed to give autonomy for that region if they'd want all of Transylvania.
@@gengarzilla1685 that border sucks, the corridor which he builds to connect hungary to central transylvania is fully romanian, and one of the most beautiful parts of romania. Why does hungary get to connect to their ethnic majority territory but romania doesnt get the adjacent one that it is majority in. Regarding autonomy they have and had plenty except during the red dictatorship
@@gengarzilla1685 stop acting like you know what you are talking about
I love how much your maps and videos have improved
What if everything went perfect for South Africa
1 view in 42 seconds fell off
Wouldn’t Russia be more interested in taking land from Austria-Hungary instead of Germany? Austria still owns Galicia (Slavic majority of Poles and Ukrainians) seems kinda like an oversight with the post war peace treaty
What if yougoslavia joined the axis in 1942
Then their empire would have survived WWI. Russia would have been supplied by the British to continue the Eastern Front. The war would have ended sooner.
modern history video is gta 6 of possible history
Everything perfect Italy is gta 7?
Idea: What if the viena peath agreement was done horribly and the balance of power wasn't established?
14:00 Russia will annex Transcarpathia, and also eastern Poland will not be autonomous because Ukrainians predominate there
Wait.. no liberation of Constantinople..?? aw man
"liberation", "Constantinople" yeah sure pal
Idea for a video - "What If Bulgaria captured Constantinople during the 1st Balkan War"
This will also have interesting effects on Iran. The Persian campaign of WWI destroyed Iran and alongside the failed 1919 agreement, made Iranians very distrustful of the British. The war also caused Reza Khan, a soldier in the Russian proxy forces in Iran, to climb the ranks and eventually leading a coup in 1921 after the war which lead to him becoming the king in 1925.
Iran would still come under a dictatorship as the feudal state needed an autocrat to centralize the state and gather the necessary tax money to fuel modernization. This was something the Qajar kings and the democracy established in 1905 had failed to do. However this autocrat would very likely be either a prime minster under the ceremonial monarchs or a president after abolishing the monarchy.
The social reforms would also be more gradual without the radical precedent of Ataturk.
Overall, expect Iran to be a lot more stable and normal.
I seriously disagree with your conclusions.
1) Most of Middle East's oil reserves were in lands under British control or influence such as the Persian gulf emirates, Iran and the Saudi emirate of Najd. The Ottomans only have the oil fields of Iraq which I argue can make the job of Armenian, Greek and Jewish lobbies far easier in pressuring the Democratic west into not investing in Ottoman oil fields and keeping them a poor pariah state.
2) The British would recognize the threat the Ottomans may pose both with the oil money and also to the oil reach lands under British control since they are all vulnerable to the Ottomans. So it is very likely that the British would find a way to get the Iraqi oil fields out of Ottoman hands. Whether by direct involvement, using a proxy (like Iran) or helping a native rebellion by local Shia Arabs.
In anycase, I think the Ottoamans would end up with not enough oil reserve to bring them out of their isolation and would just be attacked and fall at a later date.