Good video, I once dropped one of them screws under the plate,and had to remove the distributor,only to loose the timing,one or two tooth before or after. It was fun playing with that old Ford engine . Thank you Dave .Your know how sure helps a lot.Keep those videos coming..
Thanks for posting this. Points seem simpler than I had imagined. I am considering buying an old '49 international pickup and the whole points thing had me terrified. I figure I can learn with this truck as I go with help from guys like you.
That's great! Thank you! In a few weeks, I will be servicing the points on an old Mercruiser 165 from 1977. That would be an old GM 250 inline 6, which is basically a tractor motor. Haha! Cheers from Mississauga!
Good video, as to setting the point gap I always set the gap at the specification the checked that a the next thicker gauge would not fit without moving the points...to check.
Hello, I have a 73 354 Int tractor and was hoping you could shed some light on where to set the ignition timing on this thing. Mine has 2 timing marks.
2 marks on the pulley? The first mark to get to the pointer would be TDC, the second I believe would be to set the ignition timing, Thanks for watching!
Have a question where did you get your points. I have a IH364 tractor and having trouble finding them. Your distributor looks like what I have. Please respond back if you can.
If it has a Lucas distributor you can get the points from an A&I Products dealer. If it has the Delco distributor get a number off of it and check with NAPA or Carquest. Thanks for watching!
Interesting how simple this is. On the lucas distributor (fitted to many old UK cars) the positive (moving) contact terminal and the condenser terminal connect onto a post - which has an insulating plastic sleeve - isolating them from the ground contact fixed to the base plate and earth wire.. It's very easy to wire this wrong and ground your positive wiring connections.
If the cam lobes that open the points are worn unevenly or excessively worn, or if the shaft has much sideways movement then the distributor should be replaced. Thanks for watching!
Hi Dave, I am a new subscriber to your channel. I have a 1961 B414 gas engine tractor. It is original with the Lucas wiring and 12 volt positive ground. It turns over well, but doesn't seem to fire. I have a new set of points to replace them, and I hope that is my problem. (Great video on the replacement of points). It has been a long time since I have worked on a vehicle with points. It seems the shop I have purchased the points from, and oil filter, can't source a distributor cap, rotor or condenser. Any ideas on trouble shooting the system ? or a place that has parts for this tractor in Southwestern Ontario ? I see your comment to Sarah on the coil which is great to hear.
You can get the Ignition parts through an A&I dealer, you may have to ask for ignition parts for a Ferguson TEA20 (same distributor) because they are not listed under the B414. Thanks for watching!
Back when I used to do this on everything I had, moto cycles, car's ,tractors & all. well 50 years ago. every set of points came with a tiny amount of heavy grease to put on the felt pad connected to the points. to keep from wearing the lobe off the shaft. I just got myself a 1950 8 N the new points didn't come with any grease. I know for sure they came with it in the 50's 60's & 70's. What's up with that ?Dry surfaces will still wear.
Hi Dave, another excellent video, thanks. I note in my B414 there's quite a bit of surface corrosion on the breaker point plate. My inclination is to remove the entire distributor so I can do a proper clean up. I have the tach driver version. As long as I get the drive gear back in the same orientation and the rotor facing in the same direction as before I removed the distributor, am I good to go or is there more I need to consider? Many thanks!
With these distributors you would be good to go. I would mark the distributor housing where the rotor is pointed so there is no doubt when you put it back together. Good luck and thanks for watching!
Many thanks for the quick reply and the tip for distributor removal. I'm hoping the new points will help my B414 run a lot better. Right now, it won't run without the choke on partially. I think the carb (Zenith VN) might be sucking air through the throttle spindle. But holy smoke, try to find an affordable carb kit. US prices are nuts for a basic gasket set then adding the spindle and float it's $225. So I went to the UK. Fingers crossed it's a match.
Those are a British built carb so you should be in luck. Also use AC Delco or Bosch plugs, these tractors will not run on a Champion, you might as well screw in a bolt! :)
Wow, thank you, Dave, for the tip about the spark plugs! I just ordered 4 new Champion L90s so maybe I'll cancel that. Looking at a cross-reference chart it looks like I could use an AC Delco 45F or Bosch W8A/WR8AP. Do these make sense as alternatives to the Champions? Thanks again for the quick response! I wish you lived near Perth, Ontario :)
The Delco number I have is R45S, but I expect the 45F would also work, I don't have a Bosch number but the parts store you're dealing with would have the cross reference lists, I'm sure they know what they're doing.
Hi Dave, I’m having troubles adjusting the points on my Oliver tractor. The points have two screws and is hard to adjust Seems like the rubber pad is worn down a little bit can I still readjust the points? Thanks
I think you will find that one of the screw heads is and eccentric to move the plate and one tightens the base down. As long as you can get the proper gap you can still adjust them. Thanks for watching!
my points in my 1971 dodge d300 wont stay set. I run it for a few minutes and it dies and the points are incorrect again. I reset them and start it and after a few minutes it dies again and the points need reset. I am afraid I will strip the threads if I could get it tighter.
First, I'm not a Dodge guy but '71 D300,,, very cool! There are a few things to check, is there anything interfering with the screw securing the points to the distributor, ie- dirt or burr under the points set and check for sideways wiggle in the distributor shaft, it's not uncommon to get wear in the shaft bushings so the shaft will move from side to side changing the point gap as it does. Good luck and thanks for watching!
I'm doing a tune up on my 1960 Ford F100 4x4 it's got a 292 in it the distributor is so far back that you got to crawl inside the engine well.... or grow 2' longer legs. I got it down to a science,it only takes 40 minutes.🤣
This maybe all wrong with my old Massey Ferguson. It cranks then runs a few minutes then cut off every time. Some said could be the coil if it’s getting hot so I bought a new coil and new distribution cap and points. The guy I bought it from said he had Just changed them but maybe he didn’t adjust them correctly or as one gentleman said they may keep losing adjustment
Coil or condenser can both cut out if faulty when they heat up. It could also be a fuel restriction, burns the fuel out of the carb, once it sits a few the carb refills and will run a few minutes again. You will have to check if you are actually loosing spark when it quits. Good luck and thanks for watching!
eternal replacement could be available at ACCUSPARK www.accuspark.co.uk/ AUSTRALIAN REP IN VICTORIA- KINGLAKE www.robroyhistoricgarage.com.au/. I made the change, runs so sweet idling at the traffic lights -so I just have to share
Newbie here - Found plenty of vids on changing points with the distributor off the tractor but your vid is the one I was looking for; thanks so much!
I am glad you found the video helpful, thanks for watching!
Very easy to under stand camera footage excellent explained in understandable so the average Joe can grasp the idea well done
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Mister, thanks so much for this video. Mighty helpful to a 58 year old gal trying to keep these old Farmall's cranking. Greatly appreciated.
Thank you very much, I am very happy to hear that you have found my video helpful, that's why I make them. Thanks for watching!
Thanks from your neighbors in Alaska. Just the information we needed.
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Thank you for being about the ONLY video on TH-cam showing how to REPLACE points and not put modular or what
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Good video, I once dropped one of them screws under the plate,and had to remove the distributor,only to loose the timing,one or two tooth before or after. It was fun playing with that old Ford engine . Thank you Dave .Your know how sure helps a lot.Keep those videos coming..
Magnetic screw drivers can be a big help in those situations! Thanks for watching!
Thanks for posting this. Points seem simpler than I had imagined. I am considering buying an old '49 international pickup and the whole points thing had me terrified. I figure I can learn with this truck as I go with help from guys like you.
Yeah, points really are pretty simple just fiddley. Thanks for watching!
Quite a good and useful video. Used it as a reference when tuning up and servicing my 444.
Excellent, I am glad you fond the video helpful. Thanks for watching!
That's great! Thank you! In a few weeks, I will be servicing the points on an old Mercruiser 165 from 1977. That would be an old GM 250 inline 6, which is basically a tractor motor. Haha! Cheers from Mississauga!
Awesome, glad I could help! The ol 250 wasn't a powerhouse but pretty tough, have fun.
Thanks for watching!
Mercruiser 2.5L 120 here. Thanks for such a helpful video! Adding this to my to do list.
just what i was looking for, thks
I am glad you found the video helpful, thanks for watching!
Good video, as to setting the point gap I always set the gap at the specification the checked that a the next thicker gauge would not fit without moving the points...to check.
Good tip, thanks for watching!
You helped me fix my ih 345 v8!
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Excellent 👍🏻 I’d call that a success!!
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Super video thanks for posting.
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Thank You Such a great help !
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k.i.s.s... keep it simple stupid
quick and to the point great video on a lost art 😎👍cheers amigo from city of sin las vegas!!
Even most mechanics now have never even seen points ignition before! Thanks for watching!
Great video.
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Thank You good Video!
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Hello, I have a 73 354 Int tractor and was hoping you could shed some light on where to set the ignition timing on this thing. Mine has 2 timing marks.
2 marks on the pulley? The first mark to get to the pointer would be TDC, the second I believe would be to set the ignition timing, Thanks for watching!
Have a question where did you get your points. I have a IH364 tractor and having trouble finding them. Your distributor looks like what I have.
Please respond back if you can.
If it has a Lucas distributor you can get the points from an A&I Products dealer. If it has the Delco distributor get a number off of it and check with NAPA or Carquest. Thanks for watching!
Interesting how simple this is. On the lucas distributor (fitted to many old UK cars) the positive (moving) contact terminal and the condenser terminal connect onto a post - which has an insulating plastic sleeve - isolating them from the ground contact fixed to the base plate and earth wire.. It's very easy to wire this wrong and ground your positive wiring connections.
Good point, if everything else seems right and still no spark, check for a grounded "hot" wire. Thanks for watching!
where do you get your Points,,, i need the same ones,,
I got them at Carquest, just get the distributor number off your distributor so they can look them up for you. Thanks for watching!
Awesome
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Nice presentation. That is a Delco Remy Distributor ? What type?
I honestly don't remember, I would have to check the number on the distributer and the tractor isn't here anymore.
Thanks for watching!
Do you need to disconnect battery to do this on a 6 volt positive ground tractor??
No, no need, just turn off the ignition switch like any other machine with points ignition. Thanks for watching!
I think besides setting the points gap you still should check the #1 cylinder is firing the prescribed degrees BTD center with a timing light.
You sure can if you like but changing the points should not affect the timing. Thanks for watching!
@@CanadianRedneck15 you are correct but its good to know its timed right my truck calls for 4 deg before tic you can adj. by turning dist .
Very helpful
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I have no fire at all. From the coil. Would it be my points and condesor
Do you have power getting to the points? Do they ground when closed? Could be coil, points, condenser, or a broken wire. Thanks for watching!
How can you tel if you need a new distributor or not
If the cam lobes that open the points are worn unevenly or excessively worn, or if the shaft has much sideways movement then the distributor should be replaced.
Thanks for watching!
Hi Dave, I am a new subscriber to your channel. I have a 1961 B414 gas engine tractor. It is original with the Lucas wiring and 12 volt positive ground. It turns over well, but doesn't seem to fire. I have a new set of points to replace them, and I hope that is my problem. (Great video on the replacement of points).
It has been a long time since I have worked on a vehicle with points.
It seems the shop I have purchased the points from, and oil filter, can't source a distributor cap, rotor or condenser.
Any ideas on trouble shooting the system ? or a place that has parts for this tractor in Southwestern Ontario ?
I see your comment to Sarah on the coil which is great to hear.
You can get the Ignition parts through an A&I dealer, you may have to ask for ignition parts for a Ferguson TEA20 (same distributor) because they are not listed under the B414.
Thanks for watching!
I need a troubleshooting video I did everything you did I'm getting spark except where it's not going to the plugs I don't get it
If you get spark from the coil but not the plugs check your cap and rotor. Thanks for watching!
Thanks bud!
You're very welcome, thanks for watching!
Back when I used to do this on everything I had, moto cycles, car's ,tractors & all. well 50 years ago. every set of points came with a tiny amount of heavy grease to put on the felt pad connected to the points. to keep from wearing the lobe off the shaft. I just got myself a 1950 8 N the new points didn't come with any grease. I know for sure they came with it in the 50's 60's & 70's. What's up with that ?Dry surfaces will still wear.
Yeah, the capsule of grease used to be standard procedure, seem like your on your own with that now.
Thanks for watching!
Hi Dave, another excellent video, thanks. I note in my B414 there's quite a bit of surface corrosion on the breaker point plate. My inclination is to remove the entire distributor so I can do a proper clean up. I have the tach driver version. As long as I get the drive gear back in the same orientation and the rotor facing in the same direction as before I removed the distributor, am I good to go or is there more I need to consider? Many thanks!
With these distributors you would be good to go. I would mark the distributor housing where the rotor is pointed so there is no doubt when you put it back together. Good luck and thanks for watching!
Many thanks for the quick reply and the tip for distributor removal. I'm hoping the new points will help my B414 run a lot better. Right now, it won't run without the choke on partially. I think the carb (Zenith VN) might be sucking air through the throttle spindle. But holy smoke, try to find an affordable carb kit. US prices are nuts for a basic gasket set then adding the spindle and float it's $225. So I went to the UK. Fingers crossed it's a match.
Those are a British built carb so you should be in luck. Also use AC Delco or Bosch plugs, these tractors will not run on a Champion, you might as well screw in a bolt! :)
Wow, thank you, Dave, for the tip about the spark plugs! I just ordered 4 new Champion L90s so maybe I'll cancel that. Looking at a cross-reference chart it looks like I could use an AC Delco 45F or Bosch W8A/WR8AP. Do these make sense as alternatives to the Champions? Thanks again for the quick response! I wish you lived near Perth, Ontario :)
The Delco number I have is R45S, but I expect the 45F would also work, I don't have a Bosch number but the parts store you're dealing with would have the cross reference lists, I'm sure they know what they're doing.
My screw head disintegrated when I tried to unskrew it? I'm in trouble
Hi Dave, I’m having troubles adjusting the points on my Oliver tractor. The points have two screws and is hard to adjust
Seems like the rubber pad is worn down a little bit can I still readjust the points?
Thanks
I think you will find that one of the screw heads is and eccentric to move the plate and one tightens the base down. As long as you can get the proper gap you can still adjust them. Thanks for watching!
I got the old girl running again!!!
Thanks again Dave
salut, j'ai le même distributeur sur un b414 avez vous le numéros de pièce ou le numéro de model de distributeur
I don't have any numbers for the distributer, there should be a number stamped into the outside of the distributer. Thanks for watching!
my points in my 1971 dodge d300 wont stay set. I run it for a few minutes and it dies and the points are incorrect again. I reset them and start it and after a few minutes it dies again and the points need reset. I am afraid I will strip the threads if I could get it tighter.
First, I'm not a Dodge guy but '71 D300,,, very cool! There are a few things to check, is there anything interfering with the screw securing the points to the distributor, ie- dirt or burr under the points set and check for sideways wiggle in the distributor shaft, it's not uncommon to get wear in the shaft bushings so the shaft will move from side to side changing the point gap as it does. Good luck and thanks for watching!
It would be the same for my W4 ?
+saskgreen13thman As long as your W4 has a distributor it is the same, if it has a magneto I also have a video showing that. Hope this helps.
cool will go check it out , new sub here too , Cheers from Heres
+saskgreen13thman Thanks for your support!!
Diesel or gas?? It has a distribuitor but sounds like a diesel engine. Here in Argentina most tractors have diesel engines
Gas engine, diesels don't have distributors or points. Thanks for watching!
cub cadets are a real pain 1 piston and they only mark TDC the knuckle heads didn't give any degree markings so it's almost impossible
I'm doing a tune up on my 1960 Ford F100 4x4 it's got a 292 in it the distributor is so far back that you got to crawl inside the engine well.... or grow 2' longer legs. I got it down to a science,it only takes 40 minutes.🤣
LOL, yeah, that's why I like working on tractors. :) Thanks for watching!
Dale Slover oh my god that’s funny 🤣 I’ve got the same issue but I am only 5’ 3”
This maybe all wrong with my old Massey Ferguson. It cranks then runs a few minutes then cut off every time. Some said could be the coil if it’s getting hot so I bought a new coil and new distribution cap and points. The guy I bought it from said he had Just changed them but maybe he didn’t adjust them correctly or as one gentleman said they may keep losing adjustment
Coil or condenser can both cut out if faulty when they heat up. It could also be a fuel restriction, burns the fuel out of the carb, once it sits a few the carb refills and will run a few minutes again. You will have to check if you are actually loosing spark when it quits.
Good luck and thanks for watching!
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eternal replacement could be available at ACCUSPARK www.accuspark.co.uk/ AUSTRALIAN REP IN VICTORIA- KINGLAKE www.robroyhistoricgarage.com.au/. I made the change, runs so sweet idling at the traffic lights -so I just have to share
Yes, electronic ignition kits are availlable. Thanks for watching!
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