WestJet's Small Jet Problem
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- Calgary-based WestJet is going through a bit of a transitional period when it comes to their overall business strategy.
One big announcement that they made recently was an order for 42 Boeing 737 MAX 10s.
This "upsizing" highlights a bit of an ongoing trend for them when it comes to their fleet - let's see why that might be a problem.
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[1] WestJet “Securing the future”
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[2] WestJet MAX 10 Order
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[3] WestJet Disposes of 737-700s
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[4] WestJet 737 MAX Order
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[5] WestJet and the MAX 7 www.thestar.co...
[6] What is EICAS?
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[7] The 737 MAX and EICAS
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[8] Boeing’s Certification Deadline transportation...
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[9] The Economics of the A220 www.forbes.com...
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It's always great when the manufacturer you ordered from better part of a decade ago eventually says 'meh we can't get it certified as is so I guess we'll just cancel it' haha
One thing he forgets to mention is that WestJet is acquiring Sunwing and will have all of their fleet at their disposal ... something to consider as it becomes apart of the WestJet group is SunWing will operate its leisure destinations out of Toronto ... insider knowledge is a great thing to have ... Alex is very obsessed with WestJet but lacks a lot of information that WestJetters working in Corporate understand and know about ...
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With the pilot shortage and training departments facing an uphill battle keeping up with training requirements, I don't see the A220 being a viable option IMHO. It might almost be worth it for them to fly the Max 8 partially empty at least for the short term.
This fore mentioned strategy albeit short-term would be catastrophic for WS. Flying a plane without at least 65-70% of seats being occupied will cost the airline millions. There is a reason AC is ordering more A220s with 130seats and not the 170 seats 7M8. The 40 seat difference in the Canadian makes a huge difference.
They also have a large backlog on the 220 they can't keep up with on the 220 given the low production rate. Lot's of deliveries ahead of them
@@johniii8147 yep, with the delivery schedule, It might be a better idea to order a E195E2 instead, as Embraer has a lot smaller backlog atm. Which also means it might be more flexible price-wise.
@@mancubwwa Range would probably be an issue for them in many cases for the E2. The 220/737 have significantly more range.
@@johniii8147 Calgary to Toronto is roughly same distance as Warsaw to Cairo, a route that LOT used to operate with (first gen) E190 non stop (they swtched to 738 due to demand) and I really don't see Westjet operating any longer non-stop routes with them. So unless E2 cut the range from it's predecessor, it should not be a problem.
I think the new E2’s would be IDEAL. Given how long the backlog is for a220’s, this may be the only only option.
The A220 would be such a good fit for WestJet
I agree!! Very good comment
Exactly! Would've been a great replacement for the 737-600 and 700
Yes The Airbus A220 Family would be good for Westjet Airlines however when it comes to Airbus Westjet is an All Boeing fleet Airline so switching between Airbus and Boeing won't be easy for Westjet Airlines so the Boeing 737 Max Family will work for them instead.
A good fit market wise, but it also means a substantial investment in pilot training, logistics, simulators, and certification, which makes it less likely for a cost-conscious WestJet right now. More likely they're just willing to accept the costs associated with having to shove a wider airframe through the sky rather than diversify types.
The A220 is an Airbus plane. While it IS technically a Canadian-built plane, WestJet's fleet has always comprised of Boeing aircraft, which means that in order to purchase the A220, they would need to train new pilots & flight attendants, train for maintenance, simulators. While on paper it might seem as though the A220 is cheaper and would be a great fit, when you look into WestJet's fleet and history it might honestly be cheaper to buy another Boeing jet.
I'd honestly like to see some of those 737-600s picked up by Canadian North or Air North as a way to connect Yellowknife and Whitehorse (respectively) with destinations much further off that may not be able to fill up their larger 737s, maybe out to Anchorage, AK and Seattle, WA would be great routes for those little guys. It'd also help modernize the existing fleet, because as far as I know Air North only has 737 Classics in their jet fleet, and Canadian North uses mostly 737-300s and 737-400s (with a few 737-700s mixed in).
Awesome video! I see WestJet holding onto the NG 700's for the foreseeable future given their investment in new aerodynamic upgrades. That said, they will eventually have to consider a true replacement for those smaller 737s. With AC committed to the A220-300 and maybe one day the 100 or 500 model and Porter about to rapidly expand with their E2's, both those carriers have identified the need for larger fleets in those seat categories. It will be interesting to see how WJ and even the LCC's adapt to a challenging population mass and geography to serve with larger jets.
WestJet has been pretty reliably retiring the -700s as they hit 20 years old, sending them down for Southwest to chew on. When you send an asset out for something like a test conversion on an aerodynamic kit, you don't generally send a prime asset, in case something goes wrong. It was one of their newer -700s (C-GUWJ, currently 14 years old) so they won't have to retire it for a while.
@@gmitchellfamily They haven't sent 737s to Southwest for years now. WJ has stated their desire to keep the 700s for the time being and the aerodynamic kits enables this. Lots of life left in the fleet.
I know it seems like stating the obvious but that capacity hole is very nicely A220 shaped which also happens to be Canadian built.
With DHC opening a manufacturing facility near Calgary, there's also the potential that they manufacture a stretched Q400 to have maybe 100+ seats. Having Westjet's main base so close to the manufacturing could provide a strong incentive to stick with De Havilland.
This also jumped out to me.
There’s probably reasons it’s not as obvious I think though 🤪
You cant stretch a Q400..... Its already stretched..... WJA needs to acquire A220s or CRJs
@@x01macmilsim86 then make it wider, put a 777 style 3 4 3 configuration on a Q400!
@@m-foh right...
I can’t imagine DHC stretching the dash 8-400. Extreme caution already has to be taken upon rotation and in the landing flare to not have a tail strike. I fly the dash 8-400 and pitch awareness is hammered home pretty strongly during training to prevent tail strikes.
The Embraer would fit nicely!
I wonder if some sort of cooperative agreement could be worked out with Porter to fly WS's lighter jet routes. I could see them between YXE and YYC for example.
Loved my Westjet flight into Nanaimo recently.
I hope it's the MAX 7 because it just makes the most sense for WestJet
if u want to travel in a flying coffin. RIP to the 346 people who died.
@@charlesjay8818 no max 7 has ever been in passenger service
@@EvanAviator then tell Maria that..... but if it were to be in service i guess it would kill less people than the larger variants. Lets hope the MAX 10 doesn't get certified and Boeing goes back to the drawing board with a clean sheet narrow bodied plane... some thing they should have done years ago
@@charlesjay8818 One could compare cumulative flight hours before and after both incidents and realize that now with the scruitny, regulation, re engineering that the MAX is in fact a incredibly safe aircraft going forward. 4000+ orders worldwide at this current time and increasing.
@@shanewalker5015 I agree, but shame it took 346 deaths to get to this. Boeing should have taken the steps to make the plane safe b4 it was released. When your an aircraft manufacturer you need to be pro-active not reactive when it comes to safety. But b4 the MAX the previous 737s was and still is a great aircraft, the work horse of the skies as a narrowbody for many decades. I hope they fix the MAX, and get the MAX 10 certified and after start with a clean sheet design for the next narrowbody plane.... i'm sure they will
For the 737-700s their replacement can be the Max 7 in order to retain the capacity as the B737-700. Furthermore it can do Calgary to Toronto/Vancouver/Montreal and cross border United States flights during the fall-spring months due to Calgary being a Hot and High airport
The Max 7 hasn't been FAA approved yet
Finally the voice of reason and logic.
The newer livery is a huge step up and sort of ushers in new Max's and the 787 even if they are running away from expanding that aircraft type. If they are ramping up with 737 Max-10's I do not see them being out of Eastern Canada long term. They have had a lot of knee jerk reactions to market conditions over the years but really, who wants to code share with separate carriers within Canada? That sets up passengers for even worse delays and cancellations making connections worse than they are today. Also, with De Havilland Canada putting production in Calgary the Q400-Dash 8 is going to feature prominently in Westjet's future probably the 90 seat configuration. The 700 is a great plane by the way. Will be sorely missed. Good as economy interior.
Cheers from YXC.
Also YXC!
The 737-600 is only in storage at MZJ. They are still in the livery at Pinal Airpark, and are currently owned by WestJet
Wouldn't be surprised to see a few some back if capacity is required. That said, I could see Canadian North or Air North take them on to modernize their fleets.
2 were already taken by Aeroflyer.
This sounds like they might have some plans for something in Embraer E Jet line in the works with a deal not finalized yet
Thanks Alex, another awesome video.
I truly appreciate the international perspective.
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I agree that WestJet's gap is screaming for the A220. However, given that WestJet is making decisions that make no sense to me, I wouldn't bet on the A220.
Goodbye WestJet B737-700! 😢
But I will still not give up hope for the A220 to win this competition, the A220 in my opinion is one of my personal favourites
I love the A220 aircraft. What a wonderful plane to fly in.
Merci beaucoup Alex pour les informations , c'est très apprécié et surtout très agréable de nous les partager ! 😉👍
English is Canada's language not french.
@@randybell5461 Le Canada est Anglais mais le Québec est Français !!! 😉👍
Poor Randy… He only speaks ONE of the officials languages of Canada. Shit happens…. 🙄
@@randybell5461 Canada has two official languages - English and French.
I don't get why they only have DH8s on YYZ-YUL route going and coming. I was on the dash 8 and it was packed and hated it. Only on it because I used points. I get that they are cheap to operate but have at least one option besides the DH8. Especially when you can go on AC with everything from A220 to B787 not that AC is any better but def more room between you adn the person hacking up a lung behind you.
Their new CEO agrees and already has a plan to fix it . "“Flying with a Q400 turboprop 14 times a day between Toronto and Montreal (both ways combined), that’s not regional flying,” he said. “That’s being with the wrong aircraft in the wrong market. And that’s what we are fixing.”
Frankly, this city pair Toronto Montreal should have been linked with a high-speed train corridor long ago ! It's one of the perfect locations for HSR in North America.
Putting a noria of planes on such a route is environmentally criminal as a high-speed line running high capacity trains hourly or every 20 or 30 minutes would be far more efficient, practical and environmentally conscious.
Put double unit double decker trains like Duplex TGV's, that's 1200+ passengers per train, on a dedicated 200mph / 320kph or even 225mph / 360kph line from Toronto to Quebec city with bypasses and spurs to serve Ottawa and Montreal centers.... And you have a perfect transportation backbone that can move millions more efficiently and ultimately faster than flying, center to center. Allowing dozens of thousands of passengers to move each day in this corridor without clogging airports for such mundane city pairs.
Putting Dash 8's on such a city pair is weird but so is putting any aircraft. It's high time Canada tries building public infrastructure that has positive impact on climate, traffic burden and daily mobility.
This could increase the number of intercity commuters and improve their commute too.
Let the planes fly where it's better fit and let the heavy corridors to the high-speed trains where it makes much sense !
I always enjoy your music at the end.....Happy Holidays!
Thank you for sharing this airline's history and career..
Great video Alex!
Great video Alex
A220 or E2 could work for them
The thing is West Jet is an all Boeing fleet for jet engines. Their going to keep it that way. They use the Dash 8- props for smaller airports.
You ever going to cover the AOS/ASO roles?
Yeah, I am also hoping for WestJet C-Series~ dream route: Victoria to Quebec City to visit my bff
I imagine between the Embraer and the A220 that the logical choice would be the A220
From what I’ve been told. Is WestJet is going back to the low cost airline. Because they are scared of the competition of new ultra low-cost airlines in Canada. Taking up demand. Far as I know every airline in Canada is still selling out most of their seats anyways. So it’s a weird business decision. To back out of Eastern Canada.
Westjet need to get back to what Westjet a great airline to fly with. Now we have surly staff, planes late and an organization that does not give a shYt!
Seats will not change how customers feel about the airline! They desperately need to improve customer relations and then they will get back to being the No1 airline, because currently they are well below Air Crapida, and we know their moto: "We're not happy till your'e not happy"
If they are flying Dashes then they already have an alternative platform. Further the A220 is a Canadian plane. So it really makes sense for them to buy it even though it has a Bus cockpit.
It's not really a 'Bus' cockpit. It's a Bombardier product. It was a "C Series" first. Has more in common with Global Express series of aircraft than anything Airbus.
How much more expensive is it really to fly the larger max models over the small old versions?
Same number of crew probably nil difference in fuel costs. And extra seats to sell cheap - build market share vs AC.
Im kinda exited to see the max 10
It's just a slightly longer MAX 8. Nothing that exciting.
How about Embraer 175 or 190?
If the problem is fewer passengers why would they be withdrawing from the east where the bulk of the population is?
It’ll be interesting to see what aircraft WestJet chooses to fill this gap. A220s would be nice and would make sense but I think since WestJet’s fleet is heavily Boeing centric I think Embraers seem more likely in my opinion. The only 2 other aircraft that come to mind that could fill this gap would be Mitsubishi’s SpaceJet and Sukhoi’s SuperJet but both of these are highly unlikely. One of them hasn’t even been released into the market and the other one doesn’t fly outside of Russia much.
what a good video u made
Good video, as always. I'm off-topic but what's happening with the new livery? Any 737 NGs has been painted yet (if I'm right)
Probably not gonna happen the older jets will be phased out as the rest of the Max's come on line. All the NGs are in desperate need of paint though
Totally agree that the NGs need to be painted. Kinda pathetic they haven't painted passenger NGs given how long the "new" livery has been around. Same goes for AC. Canadian carriers are beyond brutal with keeping up to date with new livery painting and interior retrofits.
@@nicholasstanton1150 Canadian airlines also flushed several billion dollars down the toilet in the last three years. New livery on aging jets that may be replaced or dumped outright is hardly a priority.
Planespotters has those 737-700's at an avg age of 16.5 years old. LUV - the other purchaser of the Max 7 has an avg age of 17.8 years on their 700's. Not terribly old (Delta would get another decade+ out of them) but for both airlines, they are the oldest aircraft in their fleet. Alex - what are the Canadian requirements concerning EICAS? EASA?
Not sure if Transport Canada had anything specific regarding EICAS, but if a plane doesn't get certified in the US, it's not getting certified anywhere else.
@@AlexPraglowskiAviation Agreed. Given, however, how all the other certifying agencies grounded the Max individually and re-cert was done on an agency by agency basis, one has to wonder that if Congress extends the deadline, will other agencies?
Gosh, I guess they should have ordered some Bombardier C-Series and keep everything all Canadian.
Good job Canada, way to support one another.
how does shifting away from eastern Canada help Canadians?
Is it just New Brunswick & Nova Scotia that they’re stop flying to? I’m flying Westjet in 2 weeks to Toronto.
They’re cancelling many regional flights within Atlantic Canada, as well as Halifax to Montreal and Ottawa. Probably until they can get the new planes this video talks about, anyway.
What I don't get it that westjet wants to focus on western canada and be more ulcc but retire the dash 8s????, didn't alaska want to do the same until they realized thouse turboprops just print money for them
As WestJet retreats from flights between East Coast destinations, they may be able to do away with 120-seaters. They don't need those 120-seater to fly to smaller East Coast cities such as Moncton or Charlottetown from Toronto or Montreal any more. Trans-Con flights can probably fill their 7M8. For flights to smaller west coast destinations, deploying a higher frequency schedule with more Q400 flights actually fits their strategy of fortifying their position in West Coast better. Doing that will make it more costly for AC or Porter to try to get into those markets and will give them a competitive advantage. The problem is whether they can get more Q400 if they want to replace 737-700 flights with higher frequency Q400 services between West Coast destinations. I think Q400 production is going to cease soon. If WestJet needs more Q400, it may need to act urgently and place a large order (possibly 30+ aircraft) to give DHC enough incentives to keep the line open for a while longer.
WJ had already stated publically they want less Dash 8 not more.
@@shanewalker5015 Really.... I apparently miss that one. That doesn't make sense unless they want to withdraw also from smaller cities in West Coast, but then that would contradict their intended strategic goal of fortifying their presence in the west.
Im actually plaining to ride the 737 MAX 10!
If the Dash-8 will fill in the gap, then why is Westjet downsizing that fleet?
One needs to consider that this is an out of production aircraft so not sure if any airline can do any serious fleet planning that includes the Dash-8.
One also needs to consider its proposed acquisition of Sunwing which has 40 737-800s.
And if Westjet is truly returning to LCC, is there a point in maintaining inefficient duplication with Swoop?
It should be noted that Sunwing has large presence in Montréal which Westjet has downsized to mostly "Encore" flights. Comp Bureau recently voice opposition to the merger, but for transport, the minister can override. (which is what had happened with AC wanting to buy Transat prior to that 2020 virus.
So there are too many variables right now to allow one to make educated guess on what Westjet's true fleet intentions are. The -10 order may have been a politicial one to help Boeing get that extension but easily converted to a -9 as you mentioned in your video. (or -7).
One would need to look at pilot contracts/scope clauses to see if A220 or Embraers would be mainline or "Encore". If the -7 and -10 end up with EICAS, Westjet needs to look at cost of training old-737 pilots to drive the -7 and -10 vs keeping totally separate group to fly 220s. Suspect the match will still be in favour of the 737. (especially when you consider spare parts inventory and maintenance).
With regards to Porter, it all depends on whether they suffer a big indigestion with their grandiose plans to grow into an adult airline where they lose competitive advanatge of YTZ and operate indistinguishible services at YYZ on undifferentiated aircraft with seat pitch that was reduced to match AC.
If AC and Westjet work to put Porter out of business, then it won't influence long term fleet plans. But if Porter survives this change and starts to eat into market shares, Westjet may have to review downwards its capacity planning. On the other hand, if Porter remains a toronto-based airline, it won't affect Westjet in the west.
I don't think you'll see the A220 in Westjet's fleet. Westjet based themselves off of Southwest Airlines when they first started & stuck with Boeing. Having just one type of Aircraft Brand (Airbus, Boeing, etc...) cuts back on service costs you can interchange parts between aircraft. Where if you have several different brands, you can't interchange parts. Remember Air Canada started with one type, then added mush later down the line different brands of aircraft. Let's not "Jump the Gun" and purchase 6-7 brands of aircraft and raise the cost of ticket prices, which will go up if you start adding different brands. Think of the logistics.
@@danwardlaw2160 The biggest saving from commoality is pilots who can drive any plane in your fleet. So when one breaks down, the same crew can just hop onto another aircraft and fly it.
This is why introducing new training for the 737-10 and -7 is problematic because not every pilot in your company can interchangeably pilot these.
BUT, when you grow to a certain size, then the advatage of single fleet is less because each aircraft type is large enough to warrant its own maintenance and pilot training. A spare pilot in Montréal is of no help when you need a new pilot in Vancouver. But if you're a airline hubbed at Calgary, having all pilots in Cangary able to drive any of your planes helps a lot.
A220 is the answer, but why would a Canadian airline support a Canadian built aircraft?
Since it is built in Eastern Canada and Westjet is in Western Canada, based in Calgary - the Texas of Canada...well, you know
At present the answer is wait and see what happens to MAX 7.
A220 is definitely not the answer. The A220 is an Airbus plane. While it IS technically a Canadian-built plane, WestJet's fleet has always comprised of Boeing aircraft, which means that in order to purchase the A220, they would need to train new pilots & flight attendants, train for maintenance, simulators. While on paper it might seem as though the A220 is cheaper and would be a great fit, when you look into WestJet's fleet and history it might honestly be cheaper to buy another Boeing jet.
The 737-600 were always a CASM killer. They were heavy and had the same economics as a 737-700. WS would be going down the same road with the Max 7. Better to go with a purpose built airframe like a A220 for that size and not a shrink.
I like the mostly Boeing fleet.
a220 please
I can’t believe they are moving away from the east with their 787s. Calgary is not a huge market compared to what the east offers.
They could go with Embraer 👀
I don't see this current strategy of retreating to the west working in the long run... It's only a matter of time before focus shifts back to competing in the east.
Reminder that WestJet owns Swoop and eventually Sunwing. They will use these airlines to maintain their presence in the east.
WestJet in general is having a bit of identity crisis in their business model. They are trying to be an LLC with premium products too.
That’s what they always have been
Why don't they just order the A220?
737-7 willl return , it’s a no brainer
I really want to try the westjet 787 it seems really good
Its fantastic! Highly recommend and hope to see further deliveries in the years to come!
ERJ 190E2 and 195E2 would fit Westjet.
Crj??
Remind me where the new DeHavilland plant is being built ? 😃
East of Calgary
@@x01macmilsim86 yes. I’m aware of that. Hence the smiley face.
So. Same part of the world as the WestJet HQ, so, you know, maybe a possibility to do something there.
I WANT A WEST JET A220
I hoped to fly on Westjet Airlines more on There routes like Toronto to Edmonton and back Awesome Video Alex keep going man nuff respect to all your Videos on Aviation Dream Big on Aviation man 100%
CRJ-1000?
Bombardier doesn't make commercial aircraft anymore, they sold that part of it to Airbus in 2020
Production of the CRJ ended in 2020, that was sold to Mitsubishi. The Q400 was sold to Longview reviving the De Havilland Canada name, while the A220 was sold to Airbus. Only the Challenger 300, 650, and Global 7500/8000 remain with Bombardier.
Well that’s gay!
Please westjet a220
WestJet needs to bite the bullet and order the A220's! They should be supporting a Canadian made aircraft anyway since what's good for the Canadian economy is ultimately good for WestJet's business. Also, with the A220s they will be operating the most efficient single aisle aircraft with the highest passenger comfort. Seems like a win, win, win, situation to me! What is the big hang-up? It's not like WestJet is averse to operating different types of aircraft. They have operated or are operating 737's, 767's, 787's and Q400's. I would like to see WestJet not only order A220's but to be the launch customer for the A220-500 and further larger A220 variants which in time could completely replace the antiquated 737's.
The A220-300 has quite a lot less payload and range than 737-7, imagine how terrible a stretch of A220-500 would ve vs 737-8 and A320neo
Different ‘types’ of aircraft but, aside from the Q400, notice the common element among all the jets you listed?
If they stick with Boeing, they’re probably getting a sweetheart of a deal from them.
1:20 Give the 600s to Southwest
The regulations are the problem, not the planes. Smaller Bobbys are important, and not just to Westjet. 737's were actually designed to be smaller. The real problem is the pilot shortage that USA invented, and the rest of the world copied.
They will just have to keep their 700NGs for now .
From all the bad press about the 737 Max I'm sure the new owners are looking for the cheapest plane available.
It's funny how they didn't have the money or the will to refund passengers' fares during the pandemic (let alone retain some extra bodies so that this past summer wouldn't have been as chaotic), but they do have the money to fork out on new jets. I'm not an economist or businessman or anything, but as someone who keeps up with the news it's pretty odd.
you know if i had the option to fly the 737 rather than dash 8 id take it being 6 foot 4 and disabled being crammed on that tiny plane where my sholder almost hits the celing not so fun and it seems like thats all that flys out of my local airport. right now for me to fly on a 737 id have to take a taxi to moncton or saint john.
its funny the whole no jets TO thing complaining about how the jets would be so much louder and disturb the residents around the airport, well i live in the landing flight path to fredericton airport over the pandemic aircanada switched up from frequent dash 8 flights to a couple jet flights and the only planes i can hear is the porter and westjet dash 8's and the small prop planes from the flight school. ive heard one jet and that was an air canada A321 and i was outside for that one. so the jets are quieter than the turbo prop dash 8 so if west jet flew one flight in the morning and one in the evening on a 737 they could cut the multiple half empty dash 8 flights
Bad choice going with the Boeing 737 Max. I have, and will continue to avoid this plane. Guess it is Air Canada for me, even with their atrocious levels of service.
Westjet has forgotten there grass roots customer service got to big not any difference than air Canada just as impersonal and profits first !
Westjets problem is going to be lack of pilots as they die off from SADS.
so westjet is just being stubborn and doesn't have the guts to order different type aircraft
WestJet needs an A220 & A321 LR/XLR to really thrive. The former is unlikely, the latter even more so. For a market size like Canada, both these aircraft are magnificent in their application.
Max10 superior to the A321.
@@GKASEY1424 In what way is a shorter range non-certified plane better than one that is already doing trans atlantic flights?
First😊
Boeing has painted themselves into a corner, by trying to squeeze too much blood out of the 737-stone. (literally, in the end unfortunately). It'll take them a decade to create a new narrow-body from scratch, so Airbus basically wins this market by default.
Boeing cant make a deadline? Say it ain't so.
West should switch to airbus
WJ is plain …. terrible. Such bad service that rivals AC . Some say it’s AC’s fake competition….
I'm really hoping WestJet gets more A220s
@Rui Pinto they really do need some though also A350 for long Haul.
Another typical Canadian corporation.
For the Canadian people here, a new Republican Congress is on its way in Washington DC. They will take care of Boeing and get the Max 7/10 approved!
Many of the general Public won’t want to fly on a ‘fast-tracked’ Boeing product. Their confidence was horribly shaken by the MAX crashes.
LOL
They couldn’t even agree on a Speaker of the House!
The 737 should no longer exist. The FAA should say, no extension, EICAS is required or else. This is coming from an ERJ170/190 pilot.
Even the DC-9s, MD's had a modern certifiable central alerting system in the form of centralized master caution/warning indicators. The later MD's had the Smiths Electronic warning display. The Max Display System on the Max's was an opportunity many years ago for Boeing to make it right. But they went for the $$$ argueing commonality rather than safety.
There's a lot of grandstanding around the Max 7/10 certification woes - but reality is if Boeing wants to sell those planes - they should bit the bullet and get the cockpit alerting modernized.
There is no need for EICAS for a 737 fleet. It’s all about training and pilot systems knowledge. A common type rating is cost effective for different companies but it does not put safety in jeopardy. At the completion of the midterm elections, the MAX 7/10 will be certified.
Air Canada > West Jet. Not even close.
Once again Boeing demonstrates "profits before safety" by attempting to certify a 50 year-old technology in a supposedly "brand new" aircraft... to save on training costs. Sound familiar?
Who wants to bet tha the US government extends the end-December certification date?
You have it backwards. The 50 year-old 737 aircraft is solid with the safety record to prove it. The issue with the MAX was trying to add new technology to an old design and keeping it a secret. Now the US government is overreacting. The problem is fixed and the aircraft is now safer to fly then the older versions. But now the FAA is going to require new aircrafts to install new alert software after Jan 1, even though current planes that are already flying won't require it. Make sense.
Westjet is such a horrible airline, that I seriously would not mind it at all if it went bankrupt. Horrible service at the airport