I hope you all enjoy this look at how the 737 MAX grounding has affected Canadian air travel. Of course, just as I upload this, Air Canada's sent two more 737 MAXs to Windsor, 1 from Calgary, and 1 from Vancouver. Updated Air Canada fleet list: 2x YHZ 2x YVR 2x YYC 5x YRQ 5x YWG 8x YQG
YQG has a total of 12 planes here. All 4 of the Sunwings are here and 8 AC are here. 2 were originally here as they were at AAR getting a few repairs completed. Right now 6 AC are outside of the AAR facility, and 2 still being worked on. The Sunwing planes have 3 (2 orange and Planet Hollywood) parked really close to each other and next to County Rd 42, while the Royalton is parked near the Private Terminal at YQG.
just came back from a flight from Cuba and arrived in Windsor all 10 Aircrafts were grounded including a MAX 9, i took a 737-800 and both ways were hour delay.
My kids were flying from YVR to LAX for a track meet with the school. Their flight was at 10:30am and the planes were grounded at 9AM. They waited 14 hours at YVR for a flight to San Francisco, then had to spend the night there and flew to LAX the next day, on three separate flight due to the size of the team. All told it took 34 hours to get to LA from Vancouver. Better safe then sorry. They were booked on Air Canada. They're returning on Wednesday, hopefully it will be a lot smoother .
Thank you so much for summing everything up in one place, its super helpful. I feel so bad for those people that work at the airlines that have to rebook those passengers. What an absolute nightmare.
Boeing 737 MAX series have designed changes with more powerful engines placed closer to the fuselage that makes it prone to tip up the noses up requiring software to counteract by pushing down, especially when making a 14 degree or more turns, dangerous when the single sensor is faulty. The software "Fix" that is being contemplated have to be thoroughly tested by the Europeans and China's airplane certification agencies as recent events showed the FAA cannot be trusted to handle this, as they practically relied on Boeing's internal testing for its certification processes, plus to require full simulator training for pilots like any other planes.
Henry your FAA reference is hideous. You’re telling me you’d rather trust China? LOL so two crashes(overseas, mind you) and all of a sudden the FAA isn’t trustworthy, meanwhile travel in the U.S. is among(if not the most) safest in the world.
Ehhhh, the engines weren't put closer to the fuselage. The problem starts with the stubby landing gears. On older 737 models the short gears were not a problem, however when the engines were upgraded on the 300 onwards, the nacelles became larger. The fix was simple and cost saving; flatten out the bottom of the nacelle. This solution was fine until the Max series where more efficient engines were developed by Leap. However, these nacelles were considerably larger. Now, hindsight is 20/20 and I have no doubt in my mind that Boeing engineers spent several weeks if not months debating making the 737 taller or placing a portion of the nacelle above the wing. In the end, Boeing decided on the latter with disastrous consequences. This design change caused a great disruption of airflow over the wings changing the characteristics of lift and stall, wash in becomes more pronounced, center of pressure became uneven on different portions of the wing, etc. Small detail that I wanted to add, but your analysis was spot on otherwise! The FAA is not what it used to be for sure.
it turns out that Boeing neglected training provides to its customers as 737max Is completely different airplane from 737 in every mean, its construction engines mounting angle of attack etc. Boeing have committed criminal neglect
What an excellent and informative video, Alex! Thank you for all the hard work and commitment you put into sharing this information. Love your other videos. Best!
Alex I regret that I can only like this video once. This analysis and the work you put together is outstanding! Incredibly helpful to Canadians but also a great insight for your friends to the south. Thank you.
What’s the approach like into Halifax international airport in Nova Scotia and into Orlando international? I’m heading there soon and wanted to know if I should record it!
I hope Boeing can fix this problem ASAP so then they can continue deliveries and airlines can resume scheduled MAX services. I also once again give my condolences to those who passed away on flights ET 302 and Lion Air 610.
Nice video. Thank you for your explanation. Last summer I fly with WestJet's 7M8, and it is a good experience. However, safe should always be the first priority. I would said at least in Canada, I believe our pilots are well-trained and have ability to response for emergency situation. Fly safe everyone
I saw that Gol Airlines from Brazil used the 737 Max on their flights from Fortaleza to Miami and also to Orlando (both daily flights) had to flying with the 737 Max as well.
Interesting that Brazil pilots and FO were trained on MCAS and MAX 8 specific handling differences because their regulators required it, not so much with the FAA, whom the 737 MAX 8 was supposed to handle identically to any other 737 before it and be a direct transition....
Air Canada's pilots are off and staying current in simulators, but WestJet and Sunwing's are still flying their 737NGs, as the type rating is the same I believe!
I'm trying to go out of my way in November to fly on a max as I want to try out these new seats on Westjet in the premium class! Alex will you do a trip report on them?
Thanks for the aircraft and passenger numbers. Then there's a lot more who this affects as well. I wonder if there will be estimates regarding the costs of the grounding.
Alex is right, if this would happen a third time that a software is forcing a B-737 to nosedive and crash then Boeing is in real trouble. A software update will make the plane 100% safe? This is very unlikely.
Make sure you mention engineer error of putting the Jet engines to far forward making the plane too dependent on computer software. Creating a plane that is not balanced functionally that in 40 degree turn creates a problem of a nose up situation fighting the computer and pilot override and a computerized jack screw that plunges the plane into the ground do to leaving the pilot only 20 seconds to figure it all out before the rash.
@Scott Mayfield 346 people died on these planes. I hope you tell their families on what a great guy you are, and it was just pilot error. Like the college boys would like us to believe. There is a story about an emperor who had no clothes you might of heard this story. Now who tells the emperor?.
Great video Alex. I was booked on a flight with the Air Canada 737 Max on Saturday and they had canceled the flight in advance. I am since rebooked on another flight and in stead will be trying ot their Dreamliner.
why isn't there a feature for pilots to manually compensate for the pitch up tendency in flight? could they not just select 3 degrees trim nose down and the autopilot would keep the elevators in that position, perhaps add a pitch warning so the pilots are aware of the problem and decide for themselves how to fix it?
I got lucky, was on board a MAX 8 flying to YYC when Transport Canada grounded them! We were lucky that YYC was our closest airport and didn’t need to divert!!
Diverting was the least of your problems.You were on a aircraft with an undertrained crew thanks to Boeing lying about the amount of training the pilots needed to fly the aircraft safely. The pilots needed simulator time but all they got was a quick coarse on an I Pad. Boeing knowingly put your life in danger so they would not loose sales. They put profit ahead of your life.
The lack of training is grotesque. Many pilots had no idea of procedure in turning off the software within the autopilot. That said, the FMS on a Boeing can be turned off and full control placed in the hands of the pilots if required .Airbus does not permit the FMS to be disengaged as Boeing. So, when the max is placed back in service, I would bet the training of the crews will be far more intense and thorough. Would I board one? NOT until I see it fly for at least a year without any issue. The same thing went for the DC10 when it had problems.
Correct: If I may avoid notions of «deepest sympathies» to focus on actual mechanics China is the 1st to implement the No MAX-8's Despite you must block; elide; remove; or prevent most of my remarks that I would make - the issue has to do with Pilot Performance in the plethora of on-deck switches; buttons; buzzers and warning devices • The vehicle *CAN* be flown with only 2 hours on any hand-held Whizzo _provided_ they are aware of what you just said; Me with no certification I can handle that on this type; You A/P disconnect which gets some 9 Seconds ( still looking into manuals ) then 2 Switches on PM Side remove the device from control flow; What if the trimmer jack-screw is already deflected? That would _require_ instead of the Hand Wheel approach a trim-switch - which on Boeing - is on the Control Column / Yoke / Wheel ◘ The airbus design they had to call mechanics on the ground and went {?} while getting an override for the Airbus System ( French event ) I contend Jet Blue in Florida - since crash dynamics have correlates - show this flaw to be present in other models than what the current notion is ♦ During the Ban some A/C were flown *through* a Storm Low in Colorado which produced 107 mph surface winds at DFW
Excellent report. Well researched and professionally presented. Who are the three brain dead individuals who gave your report a thumbs down? I can never figure this out.
Nobody who understands why the MCAS hardware/software system is necessary for the operation of the 737 MAX will ever fly that type of aircraft again. No other jetliner requires this!
@@ethmister No, MCAS's intended purpose was to work automatically so that the pilot didn't need to be aware the center of gravity is different on the MAX-8, as that would have almost certainly required a different type rating and 100% for certain extra training. Had it been documented and required that pilots be aware, MCAS original purpose is less significant if a Pilot now has to babysit it, might as well make the pilot aware of how the plane handles differently from the beginning!
@@spikester MCAS is only on their as the engines are further foward and higher up which pushes the nose up. MCAS pushes the nose fown to counter act this.
Since recent, I've been watching the competion ads of Boeing with Airbus. I felt that safety might be compromised. Because, the faster you do the easier you make mistakes. Take your time. No safety no business. When you try to rush to get fucked up. My advice to Boeing and Airbus is not to rush. Let eachother make some money. Boeing, you've already ruled a lot. Get relaxed.
It would take some time for me to regainmy trust back in the 737 Max... one thing is for certain though: this huge incident will leave a stain on Boeing's legacy.
So, the MAX you wouldn't fly because of the issues, two accidents, yet the entire 737 line of aircraft has had around 160 accidents so you are giving just the MAX a "RED FLAG ALERT"...
@@danwardlaw2160 the accidents aren't the issue, accidents happen and we can't prevent them.But you have to be aware when the same plane falls twice in a span of 5 months with similar difficulties. Maybe you can board that plane but for me i won't. And that has nothing to do with accidents, Garuda Indonesia cancelled their order of almost 50 max 8's.So if the big airlines lost their trust then who I'm i not to.
Why can't WestJet just get the Canadian built Bombardier A220? Canadian Airline hates and doesn't operate Canadian built and designed Bombardier??? It just doesn't make any sense does it? A220 is several tons lighter than 737 MAX the lighter weight makes the A220 much more fuel efficient than 737 and Bombardier has an excellent safety record
I believe Air Canada all ready has a order for the C Series aircraft from Airbus . Not sure when they start delivering them but I looking forward to flying on them.
#offtopic# why in gods name did AC change the legendary colors to the new crappy/basic one :( I watch the planes here in Amsterdam and love the old paint, it's just one of a kind. The new one is just a basic one and nothing special at al. #aircanadaFAIL4Life
All my research says there is a software issue with the MCAS system but it seems these accidents could have been prevented with better training. I'm confident with our Canadian airlines that operate this plane and would have no problem getting on one. Especially now that everyone is hyper aware and should just turn off the MCAS system asap if there is an issue and actually fly the plane instead of letting the computer fly it.
Repoman - An experienced, well-trained pilot can save an aircraft in trouble, but the aircraft should not be getting into trouble in the first place. The MCAS design is unsafe.
@@GH-oi2jf Totally agree, but can I add one item to your sentence. "...well-trained pilot can save an aircraft in trouble if he has sufficient time and or altitude...
@Scott Mayfield Yes, and "now" is of course the extremely important word. If Boeing had not tried to take shortcuts to design a defective aircraft, put poorly implemented software on it, then offered safety indicators as "optional extras" in order to boost the pockets of their shareholders, while at the same time not offering correct training instruction or documentation, then 346 people on those two flights would have been alive today and their families would not be grieving their loss. Or does that mean nothing to you?
Have a look at the youtube video about Boeing fitting very badly engineered door opening surrounds which compromised the structural integrity and this was covered up all the way to the top beyond Boeing.
@@watson956 Obviously there are issues with 2 crashes and some other reports but when in doubt memory items like pitch and power settings for given configuration combined with shutting off the electric motors to the stabilizer would have helped.
Does anyone care how Canada is affected? There are plenty of other airlines and passenger jets available for hire or nearly ready in the desert. You could have made a sensible decision and bought Airbus aircraft so no tears from me! You well know that the states FAA cares not a jot for passenger safety, if not look it up!
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I hope you all enjoy this look at how the 737 MAX grounding has affected Canadian air travel. Of course, just as I upload this, Air Canada's sent two more 737 MAXs to Windsor, 1 from Calgary, and 1 from Vancouver.
Updated Air Canada fleet list:
2x YHZ
2x YVR
2x YYC
5x YRQ
5x YWG
8x YQG
YQG has a total of 12 planes here. All 4 of the Sunwings are here and 8 AC are here. 2 were originally here as they were at AAR getting a few repairs completed. Right now 6 AC are outside of the AAR facility, and 2 still being worked on. The Sunwing planes have 3 (2 orange and Planet Hollywood) parked really close to each other and next to County Rd 42, while the Royalton is parked near the Private Terminal at YQG.
just came back from a flight from Cuba and arrived in Windsor all 10 Aircrafts were grounded including a MAX 9, i took a 737-800 and both ways were hour delay.
Sunwing seems like they’re moving there’s to Mirabel and a few Air Canada ones are moving to Trudeau from Windsor
Is it just me or does the Air Canada 737's look really nice.
Great summary Alex! Thanks for putting this together!
My kids were flying from YVR to LAX for a track meet with the school. Their flight was at 10:30am and the planes were grounded at 9AM. They waited 14 hours at YVR for a flight to San Francisco, then had to spend the night there and flew to LAX the next day, on three separate flight due to the size of the team. All told it took 34 hours to get to LA from Vancouver. Better safe then sorry. They were booked on Air Canada. They're returning on Wednesday, hopefully it will be a lot smoother .
mike midge - Wow! That’s crazy but I’m glad they are safe.
Your channel deserves way more subs! Thank you for the content you produce Alex.
Cheers 🇨🇦
Thank you so much for summing everything up in one place, its super helpful. I feel so bad for those people that work at the airlines that have to rebook those passengers. What an absolute nightmare.
Boeing 737 MAX series have designed changes with more powerful engines placed closer to the fuselage that makes it prone to tip up the noses up requiring software to counteract by pushing down, especially when making a 14 degree or more turns, dangerous when the single sensor is faulty. The software "Fix" that is being contemplated have to be thoroughly tested by the Europeans and China's airplane certification agencies as recent events showed the FAA cannot be trusted to handle this, as they practically relied on Boeing's internal testing for its certification processes, plus to require full simulator training for pilots like any other planes.
Henry your FAA reference is hideous. You’re telling me you’d rather trust China? LOL so two crashes(overseas, mind you) and all of a sudden the FAA isn’t trustworthy, meanwhile travel in the U.S. is among(if not the most) safest in the world.
Ehhhh, the engines weren't put closer to the fuselage.
The problem starts with the stubby landing gears. On older 737 models the short gears were not a problem, however when the engines were upgraded on the 300 onwards, the nacelles became larger. The fix was simple and cost saving; flatten out the bottom of the nacelle.
This solution was fine until the Max series where more efficient engines were developed by Leap. However, these nacelles were considerably larger.
Now, hindsight is 20/20 and I have no doubt in my mind that Boeing engineers spent several weeks if not months debating making the 737 taller or placing a portion of the nacelle above the wing. In the end, Boeing decided on the latter with disastrous consequences. This design change caused a great disruption of airflow over the wings changing the characteristics of lift and stall, wash in becomes more pronounced, center of pressure became uneven on different portions of the wing, etc.
Small detail that I wanted to add, but your analysis was spot on otherwise! The FAA is not what it used to be for sure.
Thanks for the brilliant update Alex!
The window wrap on the air Canada’s max’s fleet is so slick 👌
Paddy Downey agree! Was thinking the same thing
@@sezzysays4351 I thought the same, AC weren't afraid of trying something different with the livery for once!
Great video! Thanks for the Canadian specific content 👍
Thank you very much for the update! 🇨🇦
it turns out that Boeing neglected training provides to its customers as 737max Is completely different airplane from 737 in every mean, its construction engines mounting angle of attack etc. Boeing have committed criminal neglect
Air Canada does not fit your theory.
This explains why I saw the max sitting in YLW yesterday, thanks for the video!
Thanks Alex well put and thoughtful analysis.
What an excellent and informative video, Alex! Thank you for all the hard work and commitment you put into sharing this information. Love your other videos. Best!
i think is great that there is a channel like yours that covers this type of stuff. trip reports too. cant wait to see you grow larger!
Great report Alex! Super informative and well put-together
Great video Alex. Almost thinking of making the quick jump over the boarder to go see Windsor
Awesome update, Alex. Thanks
Alex great report. You’re amazing! You really did a great overview. Thanks!
Thanks Alex for this insightful video! Enjoyed it a lot.
Great video!
Thank you for putting this video together.
Alex, thanks for making this video
That explains why I saw so many 737 Max airplanes at YQG
Alex I regret that I can only like this video once. This analysis and the work you put together is outstanding! Incredibly helpful to Canadians but also a great insight for your friends to the south. Thank you.
Wow! Excellent video, Alex 👌. I live in Canada so I found this video highly informative 😎👏.
What’s the approach like into Halifax international airport in Nova Scotia and into Orlando international? I’m heading there soon and wanted to know if I should record it!
NEWFOUNDLAND AND LABRADOR it’s beautiful
Great presentation; no hype....................just facts.
what are the chances of you making a updated video on this?
I hope Boeing can fix this problem ASAP so then they can continue deliveries and airlines can resume scheduled MAX services. I also once again give my condolences to those who passed away on flights ET 302 and Lion Air 610.
Great video. Keep up the good work! It’s too bad this had to happen to such a great plane...
Good report Alex, thank you.
I have a flight booked to Calgary from Winnipeg on May 17th on a Max 8. I called Westjet but they couldnt tell me anything about what i should do.
That's still two months away, I think you'll be okay unless the grounding continues past April.
Nice video. Thank you for your explanation. Last summer I fly with WestJet's 7M8, and it is a good experience. However, safe should always be the first priority. I would said at least in Canada, I believe our pilots are well-trained and have ability to response for emergency situation. Fly safe everyone
Great vid - very informative
I saw that Gol Airlines from Brazil used the 737 Max on their flights from Fortaleza to Miami and also to Orlando (both daily flights) had to flying with the 737 Max as well.
Interesting that Brazil pilots and FO were trained on MCAS and MAX 8 specific handling differences because their regulators required it, not so much with the FAA, whom the 737 MAX 8 was supposed to handle identically to any other 737 before it and be a direct transition....
Excellent Alex !!! Thank you for sharing !!! :):):)
Very well done Alex 👍
Awesome summary! 😉
Hope Boeing can quickly and completely sort the issues to prevent further turmoil.
Thanks for the very informative video Alex! I was just wondering what about the Boeing 737 max pilots? Are they grounded as well? Thanks
Air Canada's pilots are off and staying current in simulators, but WestJet and Sunwing's are still flying their 737NGs, as the type rating is the same I believe!
Thanks again for the information:) good day Alex :)
I'm trying to go out of my way in November to fly on a max as I want to try out these new seats on Westjet in the premium class! Alex will you do a trip report on them?
Eventually, yes!
Air canada is currently at 2 maxes in windsor and sunwings left a few months ago just an update
Thanks for the aircraft and passenger numbers. Then there's a lot more who this affects as well. I wonder if there will be estimates regarding the costs of the grounding.
Didn't the dreamliner have problems ?
I’m in love with the new color of WestJet 😍
Alex is right, if this would happen a third time that a software is forcing a B-737 to nosedive and crash then Boeing is in real trouble. A software update will make the plane 100% safe? This is very unlikely.
I am researching the 737 MAX for a school project, and I do believe this video will help a lot! Thanks so much!
Make sure you mention engineer error of putting the Jet engines to far forward making the plane too dependent on computer software. Creating a plane that is not balanced functionally that in 40 degree turn creates a problem of a nose up situation fighting the computer and pilot override and a computerized jack screw that plunges the plane into the ground do to leaving the pilot only 20 seconds to figure it all out before the rash.
MC18 Studios That's cool, good luck!
Donald Stanfield Thanks!
MegaTriumph1 I already have that down, but thanks tho!
@Scott Mayfield 346 people died on these planes. I hope you tell their families on what a great guy you are, and it was just pilot error. Like the college boys would like us to believe. There is a story about an emperor who had no clothes you might of heard this story. Now who tells the emperor?.
Great video Alex. I was booked on a flight with the Air Canada 737 Max on Saturday and they had canceled the flight in advance. I am since rebooked on another flight and in stead will be trying ot their Dreamliner.
why isn't there a feature for pilots to manually compensate for the pitch up tendency in flight? could they not just select 3 degrees trim nose down and the autopilot would keep the elevators in that position, perhaps add a pitch warning so the pilots are aware of the problem and decide for themselves how to fix it?
thank for the history info
Great Video, thank you.
Sheww. What a carry on!
nice report
There are 2 Westjet maxes parked in Edmonton.
I guess the impact is quite significant some 10 months later?
Who is guessing that the MAX program will be scrapped?
Love this
Thank you for your video...
I got lucky, was on board a MAX 8 flying to YYC when Transport Canada grounded them! We were lucky that YYC was our closest airport and didn’t need to divert!!
Diverting was the least of your problems.You were on a aircraft with an undertrained crew thanks to Boeing lying about the amount of training the pilots needed to fly the aircraft safely.
The pilots needed simulator time but all they got was a quick coarse on an I Pad. Boeing knowingly put your life in danger so they would not loose sales. They put profit ahead of your life.
The lack of training is grotesque. Many pilots had no idea of procedure in turning off the software within the autopilot. That said, the FMS on a Boeing can be turned off and full control placed in the hands of the pilots if required .Airbus does not permit the FMS to be disengaged as Boeing. So, when the max is placed back in service, I would bet the training of the crews will be far more intense and thorough. Would I board one? NOT until I see it fly for at least a year without any issue. The same thing went for the DC10 when it had problems.
Correct: If I may avoid notions of «deepest sympathies» to focus on actual mechanics
China is the 1st to implement the No MAX-8's
Despite you must block; elide; remove; or prevent most of my remarks that I would make - the issue has to do with Pilot Performance in the plethora of on-deck switches; buttons; buzzers and warning devices • The vehicle *CAN* be flown with only 2 hours on any hand-held Whizzo _provided_ they are aware of what you just said; Me with no certification I can handle that on this type; You A/P disconnect which gets some 9 Seconds ( still looking into manuals ) then 2 Switches on PM Side remove the device from control flow; What if the trimmer jack-screw is already deflected?
That would _require_ instead of the Hand Wheel approach a trim-switch - which on Boeing - is on the Control Column / Yoke / Wheel ◘ The airbus design they had to call mechanics on the ground and went {?} while getting an override for the Airbus System ( French event )
I contend Jet Blue in Florida - since crash dynamics have correlates - show this flaw to be present in other models than what the current notion is ♦ During the Ban some A/C were flown *through* a Storm Low in Colorado which produced 107 mph surface winds at DFW
I am affected by the groundings
very informative
What's your favourite airport in Canada! my favourite are YVR(Vancouver) and YQR(Regina) and maybe YYC(Calgary)
Excellent report. Well researched and professionally presented. Who are the three brain dead individuals who gave your report a thumbs down? I can never figure this out.
Air Canada has already leased some A330s from Singapore Airlines for their CYUL-EIDW route.
I wonder if AC is going to delay their 767 retirement plans if the Max 8 grounding drags on.
Safety comes first
Nobody who understands why the MCAS hardware/software system is necessary for the operation of the 737 MAX will ever fly that type of aircraft again. No other jetliner requires this!
L R G - MCAS is just an aid. The aircraft can be flown without it. MCAS will be fixed and Max will then be as safe as the NG series.
Let’s hope so
MCAS is there as the enigines are placed futher foward.
@@ethmister No, MCAS's intended purpose was to work automatically so that the pilot didn't need to be aware the center of gravity is different on the MAX-8, as that would have almost certainly required a different type rating and 100% for certain extra training. Had it been documented and required that pilots be aware, MCAS original purpose is less significant if a Pilot now has to babysit it, might as well make the pilot aware of how the plane handles differently from the beginning!
@@spikester MCAS is only on their as the engines are further foward and higher up which pushes the nose up. MCAS pushes the nose fown to counter act this.
So AC's Airbus CEO is going to fly a few more days.
Winnipeg is YWG not YYC
Boy, do I not have a good track record with Winnipeg. Whoops 😬
If you haven’t realized I was the one that commented on the runway 34
Yep. My apologies to the city of Winnipeg lol
It’s totally fine bro
Canada livery is sharp on the max
On the way from Hawaii I flew a 737 max 8
Since recent, I've been watching the competion ads of Boeing with Airbus. I felt that safety might be compromised. Because, the faster you do the easier you make mistakes. Take your time. No safety no business. When you try to rush to get fucked up. My advice to Boeing and Airbus is not to rush. Let eachother make some money. Boeing, you've already ruled a lot. Get relaxed.
Should have been grounded after Lion Air crash. If it's a Boeing I ain't going.
Even after they fix the issue im not boarding a 737 max...RED FLAG ALERT.
It would take some time for me to regainmy trust back in the 737 Max... one thing is for certain though: this huge incident will leave a stain on Boeing's legacy.
So, the MAX you wouldn't fly because of the issues, two accidents, yet the entire 737 line of aircraft has had around 160 accidents so you are giving just the MAX a "RED FLAG ALERT"...
@@danwardlaw2160 the accidents aren't the issue, accidents happen and we can't prevent them.But you have to be aware when the same plane falls twice in a span of 5 months with similar difficulties. Maybe you can board that plane but for me i won't. And that has nothing to do with accidents, Garuda Indonesia cancelled their order of almost 50 max 8's.So if the big airlines lost their trust then who I'm i not to.
Already subscribe to DJs now subbing here too as a fellow canuck!
the 787 is also a real problem for boeing.
Fuck i thought a third 737 Max crashed on Canada
Why can't WestJet just get the Canadian built Bombardier A220? Canadian Airline hates and doesn't operate Canadian built and designed Bombardier??? It just doesn't make any sense does it? A220 is several tons lighter than 737 MAX the lighter weight makes the A220 much more fuel efficient than 737 and Bombardier has an excellent safety record
I believe Air Canada all ready has a order for the C Series aircraft from Airbus . Not sure when they start delivering them but I looking forward to flying on them.
#offtopic# why in gods name did AC change the legendary colors to the new crappy/basic one :( I watch the planes here in Amsterdam and love the old paint, it's just one of a kind. The new one is just a basic one and nothing special at al. #aircanadaFAIL4Life
All my research says there is a software issue with the MCAS system but it seems these accidents could have been prevented with better training. I'm confident with our Canadian airlines that operate this plane and would have no problem getting on one. Especially now that everyone is hyper aware and should just turn off the MCAS system asap if there is an issue and actually fly the plane instead of letting the computer fly it.
Repoman - An experienced, well-trained pilot can save an aircraft in trouble, but the aircraft should not be getting into trouble in the first place. The MCAS design is unsafe.
@@GH-oi2jf Totally agree, but can I add one item to your sentence. "...well-trained pilot can save an aircraft in trouble if he has sufficient time and or altitude...
@Scott Mayfield Yes, and "now" is of course the extremely important word. If Boeing had not tried to take shortcuts to design a defective aircraft, put poorly implemented software on it, then offered safety indicators as "optional extras" in order to boost the pockets of their shareholders, while at the same time not offering correct training instruction or documentation, then 346 people on those two flights would have been alive today and their families would not be grieving their loss.
Or does that mean nothing to you?
Have a look at the youtube video about Boeing fitting very badly engineered door opening surrounds which compromised the structural integrity and this was covered up all the way to the top beyond Boeing.
This Ain't good
I Hope to See Canadian Flights Boeing 737 Max back in The Air Soon by April.
What about your daughter is a flight attendant on this aircraft?
This aircraft has been in commercial service since May 2017. Hard to figure why now they are a problem.
Two recent crashes would explain why they're a problem, as well as other pilot reports that didn't end in crashes.
@@watson956 Your answer does not explain my observation.
John Demerse - The problem was known before the Lion Air crash, but it two crashes to get the attention of regulators.
@@watson956 Obviously there are issues with 2 crashes and some other reports but when in doubt memory items like pitch and power settings for given configuration combined with shutting off the electric motors to the stabilizer would have helped.
Hi @@johndemerse9172 - that's quite possibly correct - I'm not a pilot so I'll go along with your point.
I believe the max seemed to have pencil pushers running boeing and I hope they can find a fix for these stinking jets.
Boeing has become a victim, of their own ambition, success and greed.
Death jets
Will never fly
1thousanth like!!
Banned boeing all around the world they are not to be serious and money minded not safety
Does anyone care how Canada is affected? There are plenty of other airlines and passenger jets available for hire or nearly ready in the desert. You could have made a sensible decision and bought Airbus aircraft so no tears from me! You well know that the states FAA cares not a jot for passenger safety, if not look it up!
an ugly plane (to me)
It was pilot error. It’s so stupid.