ryus still not that big a deal and has a fair amount of losing match ups. theres better characters, hes just relatively easy. only thing that really annoys me is VT2 being 2 bars
@@Angel7black That can be said in any matchups. Ryu having 420 damage with just 1 EX bar with just a basic vt2 combo is broken. Not to mention it is only 2 bars to activate? We don't want op characters that's why keep asking for nerfs in top tier. And now here's Ryu with his braindead touch of death combos.
Disagree. There's clearly a disparity. Characters like Ryu, Alex, Honda etc got extremely blessed. But characters like Fang, Vega were left in the dirt, Sim got bopped by a universal change. Meanwhile even though it's supposed to be "universal" there's some preferential treatment and characters got exceptioned, like Sim and Abi got their anti-air lights nerfed but Chun Li(a character who makes a lot of money) didn't with st.lk. All characters with problematic hitboxes on their uppercuts got buffed but not Falke. A lot VTs and VSs didn't get blessed like Ryu VTs or Eds VTs, heck some VTs and VSs didn't even get slightly buffed to a point where their fixed. Like when was the last time you saw Cammy actually use VS1, Laura use VS2, Vega VT1 actually help him comeback or allow pressure, Akuma need VS2 or VT2 for a match up and the list goes on. I get it this is an unpopular imo for anyone who's a die-hard SF5 fan or who plays a character who got blessed. But isn't an update by default supposed to make any improvement? Saying "oh hey but this made a lot of great changes that were needed!" as a opposed to what? It would've been bonkers had this patch made the game worse, or if it just buffed some things. This is expected, why should we give kudos for a simple expectation, especially given the context most of these changes have been demanded for yrs. Only took 5 yrs for them to care about Ryu and Alex, and now they did it when the game is literally at the end of it's lifespan where ppl won't be able to enjoy these improvements for yrs on, like ppl who played Akuma or Rashid. Had they buffed everything that needed buffing, and not did some unfair nerfs here and there. This would definitely with out a doubt be a superb patch, but instead this is just another patch that improves some things by default like it should have. Two patches in a row of complaints and still a lot of stuff not adjusted, some characters got both VS and VT improved while others literally had a VS or VT ignored who needed buffing.
Honestly Seth is still strong after the nerfs, he is a well-rounded character with many great tools and high damage, his broken stuff(axe kick and fake throw loop) got nerfed but he should remain top 10 if not top 5.
Considering, as the patch notes put it, Seth was essentially ‘cheating’ in the neutral, he got off pretty lightly. Despite people's justified grievances with weak characters like Ryu, Sagat, and Alex, Season 4 was an overall pretty balanced game with a few standouts like Seth, Akuma, and G. I think overall the game is more balanced now with some new potential high-top tier contenders like Ryu, Sagat, Alex, and Honda as well as the more polarizing top tiers like Seth, Guile, and G getting nerfed. It's hard to say with respect to the rest of the cast, but I think the only characters that are going see a not so insignificant drop as a result of the patch is just Zangief, Abigail, and Dhalsim.
Also worth noting with respect to the CA nerf, there were a number of situations where Seth could CA first in situations where the opponent would respond with CA and Seth's would win, even against CA's whose defining feature was their high invincibility and active frames (e.g. Rashid). His CA has a fairly respectable range and despite this had one of the highest /active frame count pre-patch
As a very pure seth player, these are basically the exact nerfs I was hoping for. The grab loop was fun while it lasted but its very good that its gone, and axe kicks were so unfun to play around personally, I'm really happy they aren't as purely oppressive as they were before.
The tick throw nerf is the other big one besides the divekicks. Seth's throw mixups were insane in the previous patch, and they're a little less insane now.
the divekicks have their use evading fireballs and flashkick, but you can still go under fireballs with crouching fierce and get a hard knockdown, or literally go through them and get a knockdown with heavy cruel disaster. Seth gets ridiculous damage off even standing short, whether you tick throw or ex cruel disaster, i dont think having an unpunishable instant divekick is necessary to win
@@subarulegacy5436 yeah makes sense, it's not like seths suddenly bad or anything. Just a big change from being able to divekick all day for basically free pressure to only being able to safely use them to alter your jump arc
The nerfs to Seth actually don’t feel too bad, I was worried it wouldn’t be fun to play as it anymore but if anything you’re just forced to use its other moves besides the axe kick and tick throws lol
Lets not lie to ourselves, competitive play had Seth doing Tsurugi 12 times in a row, then run up grab every once in a while... I play Seth, this asshole is still top tier AF, without the spammy divekicks...
Seth is still strong, I think these nerfs aren't too major but they aren't too bad either. He still has his other moves and his normals that's still able to control the flow of the game somehow and on top of that he's still a combo fiend that can waste the time. So, long story short, yeah these nerfs are fair but not too fair if that makes sense.
Hey Bafael, i know this is super late but in your why DeeJay is bad video, you talk about how his Ultra 1 has bad range making it hard to punish fireballs, but you always held downback during it where if you hold forward you go farther. about 3/4 screen distance.
Yeah Seth got over nerfed. How are you going to nerf seths health more and his dive kick but let Cammy still do whatever she wants with her dive kicks and her amazing long range CRMK and her now ex spiral arrow v trigger activate? lol. Seth needed nerfs for sure but the frame data to his dive kicks make them pointless because comboing has to be SUPER PRECISE now. They should have made the frame data the same or slightly better to crouching opponents but nerfed it more on block or whiff. Now it holds no true benefit to using it.
@@CrystalMang0 not anymore, not with the new edition of seth in SFV anyway. Either way I don't think the uploader wants to go out of his way to start a flame war over it, it's easier to just say "they" and make a video about fighting games. Which is what we're supposed to be here for. I get it man I do, but it's not the hill you want to die on as an uploader
Seth calls himself by male pronouns in both english and japanese voice lines. Capcom of America calls him "they" in social media because they're virtue signaling buzzards using identity politics as a predatory marketing ploy, like every other American tech and entertainment company.
>character was a man for ten years in SF4 >character gets put into feminine robot body and goes crazy because his new body doesn't match his personality >"hmmmmmmmmmm let me ask twitter what I should call this person" A black mark on an otherwise excellent video. A shame.
twitter.com/Bafael1/status/1366699197106298885
I'm a man of the people
i call seth "it"
Good man, Bafael
2021, when you're worried about pronouns of a fighting game character...
@@akalyx It doesn't matter, but I feel like people were gonna give me shit regardless of which way I went lmao
@@Bafael yup.....that's how it is.
Honda got so many buffs they couldn't even contain them all within his actual character
making his seth matchup specifically worse doesnt feel like a buff tho
Sako made a whole video about how Honda’s stolen move isn’t worth it, so they went out of their way to make it worth it
It’s so weird that they buffed Seth’s Sumo Headbutt but none of his other stolen attacks.
The programmers were like 😨 nahh we're tired
Same with the season 6 trials
@@c.conga11 It makes sense though, the only new mechanic was defensive, no real way to incorporate those into new trials.
Sumo Headbutt was just that bad tbh
Still not running VS1 in that MU lol
@@Rusted_Obsidian A lot of characters got new combos that could be featured in new combo trials
@@CrustyCYA Literally every character got new combo routes and a revamped moveset...
Yeah, I've been waiting for this!
*sees changes to sumo headbutt*
Yeah that makes sense
Alright, that's cool!
We await your return, warrior
you can late CA cancel honda's install even after seth lands on the ground, not even honda can do that
This patch was superb. The game is much more balanced and fun now. Would you make a final video stating your opinions on it?
You must be a Ryu main lol
ryus still not that big a deal and has a fair amount of losing match ups. theres better characters, hes just relatively easy. only thing that really annoys me is VT2 being 2 bars
@@Angel7black That can be said in any matchups. Ryu having 420 damage with just 1 EX bar with just a basic vt2 combo is broken. Not to mention it is only 2 bars to activate? We don't want op characters that's why keep asking for nerfs in top tier. And now here's Ryu with his braindead touch of death combos.
@@enricomugoy5869 Laughs in Honda's hp headbutt into VT1 double headbutt into CA 620 damage combo from full screen.
Disagree. There's clearly a disparity. Characters like Ryu, Alex, Honda etc got extremely blessed. But characters like Fang, Vega were left in the dirt, Sim got bopped by a universal change. Meanwhile even though it's supposed to be "universal" there's some preferential treatment and characters got exceptioned, like Sim and Abi got their anti-air lights nerfed but Chun Li(a character who makes a lot of money) didn't with st.lk. All characters with problematic hitboxes on their uppercuts got buffed but not Falke.
A lot VTs and VSs didn't get blessed like Ryu VTs or Eds VTs, heck some VTs and VSs didn't even get slightly buffed to a point where their fixed. Like when was the last time you saw Cammy actually use VS1, Laura use VS2, Vega VT1 actually help him comeback or allow pressure, Akuma need VS2 or VT2 for a match up and the list goes on.
I get it this is an unpopular imo for anyone who's a die-hard SF5 fan or who plays a character who got blessed. But isn't an update by default supposed to make any improvement? Saying "oh hey but this made a lot of great changes that were needed!" as a opposed to what? It would've been bonkers had this patch made the game worse, or if it just buffed some things. This is expected, why should we give kudos for a simple expectation, especially given the context most of these changes have been demanded for yrs. Only took 5 yrs for them to care about Ryu and Alex, and now they did it when the game is literally at the end of it's lifespan where ppl won't be able to enjoy these improvements for yrs on, like ppl who played Akuma or Rashid.
Had they buffed everything that needed buffing, and not did some unfair nerfs here and there. This would definitely with out a doubt be a superb patch, but instead this is just another patch that improves some things by default like it should have. Two patches in a row of complaints and still a lot of stuff not adjusted, some characters got both VS and VT improved while others literally had a VS or VT ignored who needed buffing.
Honestly Seth is still strong after the nerfs, he is a well-rounded character with many great tools and high damage, his broken stuff(axe kick and fake throw loop) got nerfed but he should remain top 10 if not top 5.
Considering, as the patch notes put it, Seth was essentially ‘cheating’ in the neutral, he got off pretty lightly.
Despite people's justified grievances with weak characters like Ryu, Sagat, and Alex, Season 4 was an overall pretty balanced game with a few standouts like Seth, Akuma, and G. I think overall the game is more balanced now with some new potential high-top tier contenders like Ryu, Sagat, Alex, and Honda as well as the more polarizing top tiers like Seth, Guile, and G getting nerfed. It's hard to say with respect to the rest of the cast, but I think the only characters that are going see a not so insignificant drop as a result of the patch is just Zangief, Abigail, and Dhalsim.
Alex is probably not top tier, this patch definitely helps him a lot. But i wouldn't put him top 10 in this game. Maybe not even top 15
Alex is functional now. Not top tier.
Yesssss Cammy is the divekick queen once again :D
Also Baf, you're an absolute unit; I hope everyone understands that
*Show me something worth taking*
Baf: Say no more.
I think you're undervaluing the throw nerfs
Yeah, oki is the most important thing in sf5, it's definitely a huge hit too.
thank you for making this series, i appreciate it
Also worth noting with respect to the CA nerf, there were a number of situations where Seth could CA first in situations where the opponent would respond with CA and Seth's would win, even against CA's whose defining feature was their high invincibility and active frames (e.g. Rashid). His CA has a fairly respectable range and despite this had one of the highest /active frame count pre-patch
Insane work. I don't even like SFV, I just watch these cause of the amount of work you put in.
Thank you so much for all of these quality videos ! :)
Thanks for all these videos.
I respect these changes. Seth was a bit too good, so I don't mind the nerfs.
Thanks, fine sir your doing Gods work as always🙏🏿💪🏿
Thank you Bafael.. Now my true main, Eleven, will be unstoppable.
Thanks for making these!
As a very pure seth player, these are basically the exact nerfs I was hoping for. The grab loop was fun while it lasted but its very good that its gone, and axe kicks were so unfun to play around personally, I'm really happy they aren't as purely oppressive as they were before.
Hey Baf, thanks for doing these
I actually really like the nerfs he got, Seth's a really fun character but his optimal play style with the dive kicks was legitimately toxic
And now it's just dead .-. how is that good balance? I don't even play Seth and I'm upset
@@erickrodrigues3434 claims it's dead when you don't even play Seth >.> It still there, but there's more risk involved.
@@erickrodrigues3434 ? The dive kicks were moronic, he’s still a good character
Bruh even the patch notes say Seth was cheating in neutral. Axe Kick was legit overpowered. It's still really good even after changes.
Jajajaja my name is seth
The tick throw nerf is the other big one besides the divekicks. Seth's throw mixups were insane in the previous patch, and they're a little less insane now.
oof punishable divekicks hurts my soul. that one's a bit much but the other changes are fair enough
the divekicks have their use evading fireballs and flashkick, but you can still go under fireballs with crouching fierce and get a hard knockdown, or literally go through them and get a knockdown with heavy cruel disaster. Seth gets ridiculous damage off even standing short, whether you tick throw or ex cruel disaster, i dont think having an unpunishable instant divekick is necessary to win
@@subarulegacy5436 yeah makes sense, it's not like seths suddenly bad or anything. Just a big change from being able to divekick all day for basically free pressure to only being able to safely use them to alter your jump arc
Here's one last one for the algorithm, Baf.
The nerfs to Seth actually don’t feel too bad, I was worried it wouldn’t be fun to play as it anymore but if anything you’re just forced to use its other moves besides the axe kick and tick throws lol
Lets not lie to ourselves, competitive play had Seth doing Tsurugi 12 times in a row, then run up grab every once in a while...
I play Seth, this asshole is still top tier AF, without the spammy divekicks...
Can you go over dan if you were not already. He seems very interesting and maybe you can go over the infinite
He was so good so now he won't be so good, but still prob a great character
I cant be the only one distracted by their feet looking weird when they are closer.
Seth is still strong, I think these nerfs aren't too major but they aren't too bad either. He still has his other moves and his normals that's still able to control the flow of the game somehow and on top of that he's still a combo fiend that can waste the time. So, long story short, yeah these nerfs are fair but not too fair if that makes sense.
Still can do the fun stuff we did before. Seems ok to me!
Seth needs strong moves to make up for low health
Looks like a fair nerf.
sick videos
Basically Seth will still have you questioning your own gender, just not as much
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@@animeprofilepicture8855 Seth was broken pre-patch and now Seth isn't. but rather just top tier . Did you understand that?
Damn they nerfed one of my fun mains....such a shame
Hey Bafael, i know this is super late but in your why DeeJay is bad video, you talk about how his Ultra 1 has bad range making it hard to punish fireballs, but you always held downback during it where if you hold forward you go farther. about 3/4 screen distance.
So for sfv to be a good game all they had to do is just make it play like kof2002 took them 5 years too.
Jesus man calm down on the uploads, I've seen so many videos of you being recently uploaded in my recommended
Finally some enby representation on Street Fighter
Are you going to do a Dan video Baf?
Yes.
10+ videos in less than 24 hours what an absolute chad
How are you doing these so quickly?!
We're in a pandemic
He did them all at once and and is uploading them separately
I see your use of correct pronouns. Well done sir.
pls no seth nerf
REEE SETH NERF WHY
"Them"? Seth refers to himself as King all the time. Does he really use they/them?
He doesn’t lol. Hell his arcade ending says “will he ever calm his mind?”
i think he is still a top tier but now he is not just over everyone else
Ayyy shout out to baf using gender neutral pronouns for Seth let's gooo
literally who cares
Yeah Seth got over nerfed.
How are you going to nerf seths health more and his dive kick but let Cammy still do whatever she wants with her dive kicks and her amazing long range CRMK and her now ex spiral arrow v trigger activate? lol.
Seth needed nerfs for sure but the frame data to his dive kicks make them pointless because comboing has to be SUPER PRECISE now.
They should have made the frame data the same or slightly better to crouching opponents but nerfed it more on block or whiff. Now it holds no true benefit to using it.
Why he keeps calling Seth they? Just call him he like everyone else does. It's kinda annoying.
People will have your head if you don't bow to what's politically correct. And it's what is stated in canon namely
@@AkiraSatou In canon Seth is called he. His persona ai is he. Him calling Seth they just sounds he's an sjw
@@CrystalMang0 not anymore, not with the new edition of seth in SFV anyway. Either way I don't think the uploader wants to go out of his way to start a flame war over it, it's easier to just say "they" and make a video about fighting games. Which is what we're supposed to be here for. I get it man I do, but it's not the hill you want to die on as an uploader
@@AkiraSatou I really don't care. Still annoying sjw crap. Anyways...
@@CrystalMang0 Nothing wrong with being an "SJW." Good luck in life knowing that mentalities such as yours are rightfully dying out.
Oh hey, not super important but I wasn’t aware that Seth’s pronoun was “they” now.
Technically seth's like a robot thingy so I guess gender doesn't really apply
Capcom confirmed it in a blogpost shortly after sfv Seth's release iirc
@@dyb368 the more you know
@@dyb368 Capcom knows about the rule 63 hehehe.
Seth calls himself by male pronouns in both english and japanese voice lines.
Capcom of America calls him "they" in social media because they're virtue signaling buzzards using identity politics as a predatory marketing ploy, like every other American tech and entertainment company.
Seth is non binary?
Seth is Seth stop putting Seth in your catergories
She's a male-identifying AI in a female presenting spare body.
Seth is canonically genderless
@@revelant holy triggered
Thanks for using they/them pronouns for Seth in this video Baf
*Ahem* The correct gender neutral pronoun is "xe"
not a real pronoun
>character was a man for ten years in SF4
>character gets put into feminine robot body and goes crazy because his new body doesn't match his personality
>"hmmmmmmmmmm let me ask twitter what I should call this person"
A black mark on an otherwise excellent video. A shame.