1963 Impala SS 409 vs 1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass W31 - PURE STOCK DRAG RACE
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- 1963 Chevrolet Impala Super Sport 409 425hp vs 1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass W-31 (Pure Stock Muscle Car Drag Race)
I like both of these cars... a lot. The first is a 1963 Chevrolet Impala Super Sport 409. But that’s not just any 409, it’s the dual quad version with 425 horsepower. What a stylish and quick Chevy! It’s opponent is a lesser known car, that being a 1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass S W-31. With an Oldsmobile 350 this car is a rocket! I’m a big fan.
Remember, both cars participate in the Pure Stock Muscle Car Drag Race series, so please check out their website: www.psmcdr.com
Also make sure you check them out on Facebook!
The rules for PSMCDR are listed below:
For 1955 to 1979 musclecars built in United States and Canadian assembly plants with a minimum warranty of 12 months and 12,000 miles.
Any car running faster than 11.50 will be disqualified and will not have a qualifying time recorded.
Any convertible running faster than 13.50 will be disqualified and will not have a qualifying time recorded.
Casting numbers must be correct for the year and horsepower claimed including intake manifold, heads, and exhaust manifolds. Blocks do not have to be "numbers matching," but they must be the correct displacement. Overbores up to .070" are allowed. Stock cranks only.
All Engines - 1.5 extra points allowed over advertised.
The camshaft must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed for the type of lifter (hydraulic or solid). Roller cams NOT allowed.
The valve train must be factory stock for the year, make, and horsepower claimed.
The ignition system must be stock, including the distributor, cap, coil, and wires. Points may be replaced with any electronic conversion that fits under the stock distributor cap.
The carburetor must be correct for the year, make, and horsepower claimed. Jetting and metering changes are permitted. THE CHOKE ASSEMBLY MUST BE IN PLACE AND FUNCTIONAL!
Cast-iron exhaust manifolds are mandatory and must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed. Internal modifications to the exhaust manifolds are NOT allowed. Under no circumstances will headers be allowed, including those cars that came with headers delivered in the trunk. Pipes must be routed as they were originally for the year, make, model, and engine combination. Mufflers must be stock looking in design, that is, oval in shape. No glasspacks or straight pipes allowed unless installed as original equipment. Maximum muffler inlet and outlet size is 2.5 inches. X & H pipes allowed.
The radiator must be correct for the year, make, model, and horsepower claimed. No lightweight, aluminum radiators allowed.
The camshaft must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed for the type of lifter (hydraulic or solid). Roller cams NOT allowed. Duration at .050" lobe lift must be within 1% of factory specs. Lift at the valve must be within 2% of factory specs. Maximum stall limited to 2200 rpm.
The transmission must be correct for year, make, model and engine of the car. 3-speed manuals may be upgraded to the correct 4-speed if originally available.
The rear axle must be of the same manufacturer as the car. Any gear ratio is allowed.
Reproduction tires or radial tires only.You are allowed to run tires one size over stock.
Factory wheels only.
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Cars And Zebras I love all the videos, whenever you post them. I grew up as a teen during the ‘60s. Love the humor, the specs on the cars and prices. Good stuff.
Cars And Zebras any day is fine with me for posting your films. They’re fun to watch.
That Olds is from Ontario that's where I'm from. My buddy Art brings his 1971 Dodge Duster 340 over there and races it once in a while it's Hemi Orange with a white stripe and white interior all original #'s matching bought it new in 71 when he was 18 or 19 years old
Cars And Zebras any day the ends in y.
Gotta love the sound of gramps power shifting the big block like he's 20!
He definitely knows how to drive!
Careful when you try to pick on gramps... th-cam.com/video/9hRhYSsrTNA/w-d-xo.html
I would say more guys over 50 know how to power shift a muscle car than most 20 yr olds driving little rice burners. I doubt most 20 yr olds today have legs strong enough to pedal the clutch in an old muscle car......lol.
@@howabouthetruth2157 Yeah, as someone who grew up in the late 60's and early 70's, I could tell he had lots of experience, knew what he was doing, and how to do it.
I can relate. At 16, when I got my driver's license & didn't have my own (used '55 265 Belair) car yet, a friend of the corner gas station's younger mechanic taught me to power shift my Father's '62 Impala 327/250 3-speed column shift. The guy had the almost the exact same car as my Dad's, color, interior, etc. except for a 327/300 4-spd. Also taught me to double-clutch 2nd to 1st, no 1st gear synchro then.
That clip of grandpa grabbing gears is fn amazing
Yeah, he’s got a couple years of practice 😎
Don't F with old gear heads like him. They grew up driving cars like these.
I'm a 62 yr old grandpa myself. Been there done that a lot! I can still drive as good as ever...maybe better.
@@scdevon you better beleive it ! , think Ronny Sox and Grumpy 🙏🏼
That" Grandpa " would kick your ass on a 4 speed . Show some respect 👍
Never underestimate a old man and his car from the 60's. Never even lifted . 💪
You never know who you’ll line up against!
"Never even lifted"???? What are you even talking about, that old fella was POWER SHIFTING, and did it seamlessly.
Howabouthetruth
That’s kinda what “never even lifted” means, never lifted his foot off the gas.
@@ralfie8801 I know what the hell "never lifted means"........and it's awful strange that someone would replace the term POWER SHIFTING with "he never lifted". Get a clue kid.
Howabouthetruth
Well clue me in then Pops
4 speed dual quad posi traction 409.
Joseph Abbott - Know exactly what you mean by $1.65 an hour. Made the same after school and drove a ‘66 Chevelle SS396/375 HP. Damn expensive to fill up with 260.
In high school in the early 70's, a friend found a '55 Chevy that had been retired from the drag strip. It had in it (guess what?) the dual quad 409, with headers, a 4500 lb racing clutch, 4 speed, in front of a stock rear end. Damn, it was fast! Even the guys with 427 Camaros, 396 Novas, or anything else wouldn't take him on. Took it to the strip once, turned 11.71. I saw it crack a windshield once when he hit second gear due to body flex (yeah, in a'55 Chevy, those things were tanks). And the paint job looked like an old junker. I'll never forget that car. Oh, the memories.............
409s make great power… Just don’t try to rev them!
I'm pretty sure a 55 Belair weighs less than a 63 Impala.
@@chevyblue10 Change is good they say and Change is very right about the weight of that ‘55.
“And itsa half past 4 and I’m a-shiftin gear-uhs” - Radar Love
Grampa could take most car guys to school on how to properly bang some gears......Damn that was amazing, he has that car sorted out real nice. Thanks for posting this up Zebra.
Thanks for watching!
The more I look at them the more I want one of those Oldsmobiles
Me too
That chevy took off like a rocket.. Long live the impala.. Chevy Impala R.I.P 1958 TO 2020.
Really like that W-31 Olds but the 409's are among my favorite Chevy's ever made. That's a really sweet 63. What a sleeper. I'm a Mopar guy but the big body Chevy's of the 60's are some of my all time favorites
W30 pkg was far better with the 400 and a stick
and THE favorite of the East LA lowriders!
@@marioncobaretti2280 W30 was a 455. W31 was a 350. Both used the W31 camshaft.
409 was a straight up beast.
She's real fine my 409
Finally a driver who knows how to powershift!
Gotta love the 409 Impalas! Awesome cars. Much respect for the Olds W-31s....they were pretty solid performers...even with only a 350. Love both!
There’s another W-31 in the Pure Stocks with very aggressive gearing that can hit a high 12
Damn! The Impala driver knows how to bang those gears. Impressive!
It's real fine, that 409! Hard to steer when you're getting rubber in all 4 gears 😎
Pretty cool seeing the Impala driver keeping that car on track!
That ole man new how to slam gears!! He has been doing that for a long time!!
He runs that car quite a bit too, and goes to a few different events every year. I know he’s owned that car since at least the 90s, but probably even longer
Im a Olds w31 man but the 409s were BEASTS! Especially with the strip vet powershiftin' the hell out that thang😮🔥💨💨💨💨
My dad used to street race as a teen in the early 60s. He was a Mopar guy, but used to tell me about a couple sleepers that a few guys had from neighboring towns. A 63 409 4 speed Impala was 1 of them. Dad said the guy used to change out the rear tires to a 9 inch Butal-Aire mounted on wider rims, at a gas station before a race. Rated as a rain tire they were super soft and became known as the poor man's slick. Pretty soon, the only guys that would race him was a guy with a 421 Poncho and a rich kid with a Max Wedge. Dad claimed that the only way those cars could beat the 409 was if that driver missed a shift.
Grandpa goes rowing on the weekends . Grandpa rows reeaal good ! Plows right through them gears ! Oh yeah, Grand Torino is a way under rated movie ! Ok, I Watched video and Grandpa spanked him hard. Reaction time wouldn't have mattered , Grandpa had this one . He should've had a handicap tag hanging off the mirror as a finishing touch !
GET OFF MY LAWN!!!
Grandpa knows how to shift. Love it. Both of these cars are very unique. I knew that 31 was quicker than the first match, they were screamers, and under rated.
I own a 63 SS and a 70 442. LOVE these big cars!
Guess there's something to that song! "She's so fine, my 409"
Love that interior shot. These old cars still hang together.
I bet when Grandpa go to the drags he feels like Benjamin Button! Something about snatching gears that make you feel young💪😁
When you stomp on the gas and lower your rear bumper 8in I'd say that's horsepower. Grandpa knew how to hook Em up
An old machinist I used to go to had bought a new 1963 Impala SS with the 409/425. He had just graduated High School in 1963 and had some money saved and his dad told him he would add to that so he could get anything he wanted. He went to his local Chevy dealer and ordered one with the 409/425 and a 4.11 rear gear. He told me he would go down every couple of days to see if the car was being built yet. After a couple of months the dealer told him that the 409 was in high demand and it might take a couple more months. The dealer said he could get him any other engine Chevy offered, including the Fuel Injected 327 and have it there in 3 to 4 weeks. My friend refused and said he'd wait on the 409. It finally arrived and he said he left black marks all over his town for months. On a side note, I've never heard of a Fuel Injected 327 in a '63 Impala. I wonder if many were made of if it was just some special order that the dealer could get through to try and make a customer happy? It would have been a really cool car with that engine.
I was 13 years old when my dad bought a new ‘64 Impala with a 250hp 327 4 speed. I thought that was fast at 0-60 in about 10 seconds. Without posi though, it just spun one wheel off the line. Really smoked that Kelly Springfield! It was a bench seat Daytona blue coupe. It had a few minor options and he paid $2843 out the door. He kept it 15 years until it finally rusted out.
Even a car like that with a 4-speed would be a lot of fun
must be from the rust belt to rust out that fast
@@CarsAndZebras I would take a 64 Imp with a 327 and a 4 gear anyday
79tazman Long Island! The floor rusted out under the carpet and the trunk as well. He didn’t drive it too much. He went through the dual exhaust mufflers every year. Midas Muffler didn’t get their money’s worth with him.
A good friends nephew bought a brand new W30. At 55mph,he'd floor it & when passing gear kicked in,that 455 would throw you back in the seat! All that torque! Liked to have seen a W30 & the 409 raced!😎👍
I think you do an excellent job, keep up the good work.
Cool cars. In 1964 when I was 12, my neighbor had a 1962 409 Impala that I got to ride in sometimes. Thanks
These are excellent videos for helping people quickly learn muscle car history in a very entertaining way.
Old man banging gears was a delight to see. Love your clips you added in. Love the movie Gran Turino. I actually know the guy who was posing in front of the Civic. He runs a channel called Turbro. Keep these videos coming!
Thanks for watching!
@@CarsAndZebras you do a great job putting these together...I laugh at your clips 🤣...love the channel. I look forward to them. Thanks 😊
I don't understand why, but steel wheels with hub caps on these old muscle cars just look amazing
These cars were popular when I was a kid. The'63 I mean. Grandpa got game on that 4 speed. I just found and subscribed to your channel. Thanks for sharing these. Takes me back
I have a feeling the Oldsmobile owner didn't really want to flog on his engine. 3700 pounds that Cutlass must've been loaded up with options. The secret to Oldsmobile tearing up the drag strip on Sunday and selling on Monday was, wait for it. Local dealer would order W-31 package on a bare bones f-85 no options, bench seat, rubber floor mat, radio delete, no side moulding. Car weigh from 3250-3300 pounds. Plus those W-31s were factory blueprinted and hand assembled by the cats that designed the engine.
Giddy up 409! Love it!!!
I'd love to see that '63 Chevy take on a 1962 Pontiac Catalina 421 Super Duty (I once owned a 1968 Pontiac Catalina convertible painted GM Sunburst Yellow).
Agreed, but it'd be even more fun to see it take on a '63 Savoy 425 hp Max Wedge! 😁
Gramps wasnt playing with them gears! Had me tearing up with passion and excitement,cant teach a old dog new tricks. Im just a old school car fan,they were made with so much heart.
Had a friend who had a W-31, but I remember it having a 455 with turbo 400 trans, Hurst shifter. It might have been a year or two newer. He did 13s at 6k altitude, Bandemere Speedway, Golden Colo. Absolute rocket.
The W-31 is the 350. The W-30 is the 455.
Awesome channel! Deserves way more subscribers.
any day you want just keep them coming
Just trying to make it most convenient for people! 👍
They see me rollin’, they hatin’
Can’t believe that was the mayor of Rhode Island that was racing his 63 Impala that he may have had since he was a teen. A 1963 Ford Galaxie 427 dual quad 4 speed 9 inch 4:10 rear would’ve been a much better opponent against that 409
An experienced driver could get that W31 into the mid to high 13's. Easily.
If it had the optional 3.91 posi, low 13's all day.
Then, we'd have a race.
Oldsmobile 350 v-8's, when tuned correctly, could run impressively.
David yep! …..the W-31s were no slouches!
There is no w31 that can hang with a 409/425. None. No driver is gonna find an extra second in the 1/4. That's 10 car lengths. Lol
@@LT1HILLINGHOE Did you see Cars and Zebras post that a W-31 in the pure stock drags was hitting high 12's with steeper gearing?
@@gary9426 No w31 is gonna hit 12's with a stock 350. None. Mid to high 14's is their territory. Even a 1970 W30 442 is only a mid to high 13 second car with 4.11s. Not going to argue with you about it because I subscribe to reality.
Hey, not gonna argue with you, my friend....just passing along to you what Cars and Zebras posted....I have to assume it's legit...but even mid 13s is pretty impressive for an intermediate size car with a small block, wouldn't you agree? And I'm not just an Olds fan....I love the 409 Impalas as well!
Even though the impala's weight was a little heavier the horsepower and gearing made up for it !
Love your videos just great content
Nice adjustments/improvements by the Olds driver. I imagine the Impala could be 13.0/12.9 soon.
I’ve seen that car run. I think his best is something like a 12.82
@@sometimesieatcake4156 That's more like it with that MPH. Very neat car!
True, all the cars were running slow the day of time trials. Not good track prep, and barometric pressures were terrible
73?
Kids.
This weekend I'm gonna try to keep up with my 77yo dad on his new KTM rc390.
He used to run flat track back in the day , so I'm pretty much screwed if he decides to hammer on it.
Crazy thing is that the driver of the Impala isn’t even close to the oldest driver in the Pure Stocks
That old man pounds the gears good 👍
I love those W engines!
Goodday C & Z,
My heart voted for the W 31 my head said the Impala would win.
As you know I am a huge Oldsmobile fan in particular the W 31.
You think about it 325 Hp out of 350 cubic inch.
Better than anything Ford or Mopar small block at the time, only the L79 327 Chev & later the LT 1 in the 1970 & half Camaro.
That's the thing everyone talks Chevy small block this Chevy small block that, but no one talks or remember the W 31.
I wouldn't even think there is one here in Australia.
Anyway another great video with my favorite A Body GM, your 69 Chevelle is nice but Oldsmobile are a nicer looking semi fast back look.
Great video really enjoyed it.
Your number 1 Fan in Australia
Louis Kats from Melbourne Australia ☺ 👍 ❤
I had never seen a W-31 until I went to the Pure Stocks... and this last year there were 3 of them! pretty crazy
@@CarsAndZebras
3 more than I have seen in my lifetime.
How about this fir a quick story.
I little old lady from Port Melbourne where I live makes a living from being a seamstress.
She is in her mid 70's & her husband passed away 3 weeks ago. Yesterday I dropped off some clothes to get altered.
Anyway she asked me if I would be interested in the car in her backyard.
Her husband bought it back in 1962, it has been sitting under the shed since 1972, with all spare parts, original documentations, original cross ply tyres, original paint, rebuilt motor never run etc etc etc.
1958 Pontiac Strato Chief 4 door sedan with number matching Pontiac 6 cylinder engine.
Also it was assembled here in Australia because it's right hand drive.
Also a great friend of mine about 10 years ago imported from New Mexico a 1 owner number matching
1968 Pontiac Bonneville 2 door fastback. Absolutely gorgeous with the highest output 428 cubic inch Pontiac engine.
Only thing whilst getting transported to Australia the freight company put a fork lift blade through the fuel tank. Since thenit has been sitting in his shed, just can't find a tank.
Wants to sell it now, so if anyone is intrested in the Bonneville happy to help out.
Contact me on
louiskatanos@yahoo.com.au.
I know how much you love those full size muscle cars.
Your number 1 Fan in Australia
Louis Kats from Melbourne Australia ☺ 👍 ❤
There was a clean 69 W31 four speed running around my neighborhood back in the early 80's. Same color as this one. It sounded wicked going through the gears.
Wow! That Impala was gone with the wind! Great car! I love both cars though!😎🇺🇸🏴☠️🇺🇸🏴☠️🇺🇸🏴☠️🇺🇸
I had a 63 impala as 283 4spd drove like a go cart, I loved it!!!
I'm pretty sure we all seen that outcome!
GREAT VIDEO.
Thanks for watching!
Editing is getting better and better !!!
one of my favs of your vids. full size muscle is one of my many kinks. luved the story on the chev owner...good to see he's still bangin' on it, and bangin' very well. also great to hear the followup on the Olds driver...thought maybe he missed a gear as he was really bogging there in the vid. If the olds had the gears the chev had, it prob would be evened up quite a bit. good stuff
It's always fun to watch 409's. Back in the day there was always a chance of a blown engine.
Not if they are built right. Shocker big block chevy rods and cranks fit a 409. F.Y.I. 😁
409 was a Breaker
She's real fine my 409. Dual quad four speed positraction 409.
I really enjoy the cars and your wit.
Keep em coming brother! Thanks for all the great races and fun videos!
Thanks for watching!
@@CarsAndZebras keep them coming!
With a different driver and lower rear gears That Olds should have been a better match for the Chevy.
And get rid of that Quadra-crap carb.
@@gordon4385 shows what you don’t know about motors/carbs.
When properly built & calibrated a q-jet is a great all around perf & street carb that can reliably go 100k miles with proper timely fuel & air filter changes,can support a 550-600hp big block Chevy or olds,pontiac or caddy too.
It all depends on the difference between the two situations driver and HP
On the first race it almost looked like the driver forgot where he was going!
True, but not bad for his first pass ever on a drag strip. We’ve all been there (well, people that have drag raced)
With gears and hp like that he should have been in the 22's for sure.
Lol....love that 69 but damn. That 409 is a beast!
That Chevy was getting it too! Kept that front end up too! 4 speed and a good driver!
GM was good at sneaking those little high output 350s in. I had a 69 Pontiac Lemans with a 350H0 making 330 horsepower and 380 pounds of torque. It also ran low 14s in the quarter after several practice passes.
That's why songs were made about the 409 chevy
I don’t think the Impala driver let off the accelerator as he was shifting. Very impressive.
The beach boys wasn't lying about that legendary 409
I always dreamed of having a 409 425 horse chevy 😛
The 1963 have always been my favorite with the 409
Now this is my most favorite make and model of car made by GMC and Cheverlet but I had a 1968 impala I called her my sleeper with the usual 327 cubic inch motor but with a Holley 4-barrel double pumper , a posi track rear end with 410 gears but the funniest part is whenever I won against the nova’s and camera’s they would ask me man what’s under that hood and I would say I don’t know it’s my mom’s car AKA my sleeper !
Olds guy needed a alarm clock for his run!!
In 63 it was worth every penny!
Is everyone forgetting the early days of NHRA S/S, F/X, SS/S, ect and the team of Bill Jenkins/Dave Strickler "Old Reliable 2 & 3" (although 3 was the rare COPO/Z11 car). These cars were setting class records in the LOW 12's and have been seen deep in the 11's match racing!
Cars of thr 60s were very scary for their time. They still can outperform alot of these newer muscle cars
Pops was doing a REAL speed shift. Hope the 409 has a rev limiter on it. I scattered a 350 once when a shifting fork broke 😅
I gotta go with the 1963 Impala with the 409
As much as I loved the scientist AKA Dr Olds, that Cutlass might as well have been a Civic!! The 409 said "get off my lawn"... LOL 😂 😂 😂 phttttt! 🤣👍
Awesome video....2thumbs up..
THE 50 MILLIONTH CHEVROLET BUILT WAS A GOLD 63 IMPALA SS WITH A 409 4 SPEED ... ITS SITTING IN THE NPD WAREHOUSE IN OCALA FLORIDA ON I-75
I've read the main difference twixt the 340 & the 400 were head gaskets. The 340 had double head gaskets per side so if you wanted the 400 version all you had to do was pull the heads & install 1 gasket per head. Read that in Hot Rod, etc in the '60s.
Grandpa's on that Impala like he's running to thriftway to buy some depends he is in a serious hurry
Turtle head poking out
@@CarsAndZebras we've all been there unfortunately it comes with age
The 409 is a BEAUTIFUL pieces of Artwork just to look at...... masterpiece. It's run as good as it looks.
How did I miss this one Oldsmobile I think would win now time for the video.
Thanks
The front end of that 409 nearly lifts off the ground.
The '63 catching "scratch" on almost every gear shows the car/driver were up to the task. [Wink.]
Junior Brown's version of the Song "409" is the BEST ...
That Chevy must've had Dyno Don Nicholson shifting that 409 bring back memories!!
Both these cars would be fun to own & a handful to drive. No real losers today.
Drive it like you stole it!
Hey there gramps, you think you've got a chance in that heavy ole chevy? Hold my beer son, and learn some manners while you huff my exhaust!
Had to replay several times just to listen to that 409.
My friend had both. He set the F/S National ET record with the Olds 12:43.
I would like to see the purple Challenger and the blue super bee go heads up. It's in one of your previews
He won by 6 car lengths... and being an Impala, that's like 10 regular car lengths.
The Olds missed a shift on that run. He was fairly close through low gear, but then dropped way back. Trap speed was way off, too. That he later ran a second and a half quicker and almost 20 mph faster shows what it was capable of. Of course, he still would have lost to the 409, but it wouldn't have been embarrassing.
That 409 runs hard!
Almost always they were doing an awesome job but don't be surprised what the Oldsmobile types are capable of doing as well of with a little more tinkering with I know the difference in what you can do with some other factory high performance Oldsmobile motor parts installed like putting on the w30 Cam shaft and use the factory high performance c casting 455 head's on a 350 small block olds motor and don't think I haven't tried it out yet because I have done it buddy and you must use the Edelbrock performer rpm intake and Big block olds heads to improve on the air flow improvement factor's of my ideas just so you know it's been doing just fine on the streets every day 😂 so take that into consideration people
They always did buddy
Like to see that going up against a Maxie! 😁 Still love that body style though!
Love the grab Torino clip