I need to point out that I OWN A 2023 HYUNDAI SANTA FE and with only about 4000 miles on the vehicle the Transmission had a severe lag and drop in speed when shifting between 2nd and 3rd and 3rd to 4th gear. It does have the Duel clutch transmission. I brought it immediately back to my dealership and after their evaluation they informed me that the TRANSMISSION MUST BE REPLACED. They will have the Santa Fe for three weeks while it is being replaced. The only good news is that the trans will be replaced for free ( good for 10 years ) and they will give me a loaner. A little inconvenient but all under warranty.
Are they replacing with a new transmission or a refurbished one? Hyundai had been known to use refurbished parts for warranty repairs and replacements.
I just traded my 2019 X3 for a 2024 Santa Fe SEL Hybrid. Ive only put 1000 miles on it and so far it’s been great. I love how quiet it rides and the interior materials are far above imo. My friends can’t believe it’s a Hyundai and are most surprised by it. I did a lot of research and I do feel confident in this purchase. 41 grand plus tax seems like an amazing deal to me. My last two cars have been over 65 and 55 grand and I’m just over sinking that much into what is basically an appliance.
That's what I did, for both the 2023 and 2024 model. I do not care for the DCT. The ride is really fun, but the risk of transmission issues is too high.
Althought it does translate to a lower resale value in most cases, I absolutely love hyundai and kias agressive and constantly changing designs and the comfort. It’s what boosts their sales. And while my 23 forte has no issues and i expect no issues from such a reliable/unchanged powertrain. My mom’s kia sorento 2.5L 8 speed auto non turbo was undriveable for over a month and we’ve been paying for several tows to the dealership (35 miles each way:/) While it would not go into gear and or stalled if it did. They finally admitted to their mistake after “hearing the noise now” however they won’t give us a loaner car as they say they’re still tearing apart the transmission to further diagnose it and she won’t get a loaner until they have the parts and start the repair which should only take 1-3 days they estimate.. Terrible customer service on their part and it’s upset us greatly. While I do love the cars themselves this alone is enough for us to know we will be selling it and getting her a used or new Toyota highlander. Glad we have a warranty on the kia but having to pay for our own tows, diagnosis, and rentals for an entire month already had been costly and they don’t seem to care at all. Edit: I will add the roof rails are VERY helpful when washing the roof like you guys said. I find grabbing onto them and standing on the tires is the only way im able to get the roof clean haha.
@@rohitnijhawan5281 I wouldn’t even advise buying a used one let alone CPO Hyundai/kia but CPO is great for some other brands for sure. Also comes with good maintenance plans and warranty sometimes.
This is an amazing 3 row for the price and space it offers. I think the hybrid is the best option due to being carryover, and more reliable. It is shocking how spacious and practical it is, considering the exterior dimensions. It is 6 inches shorter than the Highlander, but much roomier, cheaper and nicer on the inside. Hard for competitors to beat it for how flawless it almost is. It is also available in Europe since it isn't too large for our roads. The Highlander is considered too large, and has been discontinued in many markets in Europe.
I've learned that if you truly wanna know how smooth a ride in a vehicle really is, you just watch Zach and Andrea as they're driving it. The amount of motion between them, and the amount of shake, rattle, and roll will lead you to the better conclusion.
Thank you all for a very nice review! Also, thank you for telling your viewers what I have said all along about the Car Confection Santa Fe transmission failure and buy back. There is something else wrong (software problem / control module problem or some other mechanical issue that is causing both transmissions to fail. I had the wet dual clutch in me Santa Cruz and it was perfection.
I have the phantom black hybrid calligraphy and I love it so far. I looked at several different vehicles and nobody could beat this. I had the 2023 SF hybrid but unfortunately it got totaled. I was very open to other vehicles, but they just didn't compare.
2007 was the first year for the model redesign. Glad to hear you've had good luck with yours. We had a 2008 and really enjoyed it for 11 years and 120kmiles. We started having a few issues, but they were minor. The drivetrain was wonderful, 3.3 V6 with 5 speed auto. Ran amazing but not great fuel economy. Enjoy yours!
It's a great looking vehicle inside and out. Very SUV boxy look and not so much the CUV/hatch look. Car Confections did state that they had others contacting them about transmission "issues" with their Santa Fe s. Really looking forward to the hybrid with 6 speed.
I own a 2015 Hyundai Santa Fe sport 2.0 turbo limited. Flawless vehicle. I’m having a hard time justifying getting rid of it because it runs so well and it’s been paid off for a few years now. 🤷🏽♂️It looks like Hyundai/Kia has fixed the dual clutch transmission issues from transmissions of the past. I’m not surprised. They are quick to make changes, they listen to their customers feedback and they make changes appropriately. Great job Hyundai!
I'm going to be honest, I don't think they've really fixed the DCT issue. Ofc most vehicles will be fine, but too many of the ICE 2024 SFs are having transmission issues. If you're gonna get the 2024, get the hybrid. MSRP is very similar and you can justify it with the leap in mpg.
Glad they kinda went back to the traditional headlight design type. Don't care for the side step thing by the windows. Better to lease for this first year of production
Hundai is extremely attractive and drives absolutely well, but transmission, engine, and assembly issues, water in light assembly after a wash. No if you look for reliability and keep your car. Looks like lease is the only option to avoid huge disappointment down the road.
I picked up a base model FWD SE in April for $34,200 USD. Mine doesn't have the annoying camera that monitors your eyes, seems to be an annoyance on some upper trim models. It has great acceleration, and pulls 28 MPG on the highway with cruise set on 80MPH. Great vehicle so far.
I went and looked at it at a dealership cuz it looked pretty cool on their website. The back shape looks like an inflated hump although I didn't mind it. Very interesting vehicle.
Hyundai/Kia are only main stream companies who take chances in design (not 100% sold sure about this one yet), kudos to them! waiting for Hybrid review, I think that will be one to get.
This is the exact same (down to HP and torque) as the Santa Cruz. Yes, there have been some DCT issues with the 22 and early 23 DCTs in the Santa Cruz, so it's always possible that a new model can have issues. I have over 100,000km on my Cruz now and the DCT has been wonderful. I LOVE it. But Hyundai does seem to have a few gremlins with the 2.5T/DCT combo. I wouldn't want it any other way ... well, maybe a hybrid. LOL I've already had my eyes on the Santa Fe Calligraphy to replace my wife's rather unreliable Equinox ... those reclining driver's seats are truly something to experience. Just wish the Calligraphy didn't have the stupid 21" wheels - the 18s on the XRT look fantastic on the Santa Fe. (Dealer had an XRT, Limited, and Calligraphy on the lot last time I was there ... sent me with keys to check them all out. lol)
Dealer got me yesterday. Was in for service on the Cruz ... he had a terra cotta orange Calligraphy on the lot. Said take it for a drive while I was waiting. A few texts with the Mrs, short call, few photos, and I put a deposit on it before I left town. Guess I'll have a 2nd Hyundai in the driveway soon. I do wonder how the DCT will compare to the Santa Cruz though. The programming is definitely different, and I think that's the source of the recall for re-programming. Still really happy with that drivetrain in the SC though, so I think it's going to serve us well in the Fe too. I'm doing really horribly at avoiding 1st year model refreshes ... going to be 2 for 2 on our most recent vehicles. I guess I'm a glutton for punishment or something.
I had a 2020 kia Sorento with a dual clutch and the dual clutch died less that a year into it. They had to buy the car back. I just bought the hybrid Santa Fe with the 6 speed transmission and seems to work great love it.
Thanks for this post. I sure hope that your hybrid Santa Fe - with the 6sp auto - is a total success for you. We need some good news after the problems with the DCT in the 1st version (Sorento included).
Great review, as always. You two bring so much concise information in such a pleasant format. I bought a 2023 Santa Fe Calligraphy, 2.5T, 8 speed dct. 17,000 miles in 10 months, zero problems. We love it and may well replace it with this newer Santa Fe in a year or two. Again, no problems with ours.
In my opinion, for the lads at Car Confections to go through two transmissions, my thinking is something else is wrong that is causing this. But who knows what it would be. But hopefully Hyundai can dissect that vehicle now that they bought it back, to find the issue.
I've already seen a couple of these. I guess it makes a statement where the previous model just blended in. I had a long term rental of the previous model & for the most part enjoyed it. Main issue I had was it wobbled in certain road conditions
Great review, totally a great value play with this car. We have been shopping the redesigned (used 2022/2023) MDX and QX60, yet somehow this new Santa Fe in the Limited Trim level (because bench seat) with it's 10-year warranty is also so attractive and making it a tough decision. Just how you lifted the Santa Fe against the CX-90, I can't believe we're comparing it to a *used* MDX/QX60 and it's holding it's weight. Thanks again for the awesome vid!
I test drove the Sorento, didnt like it. Saw the Sante Fe XRT, instantly fell in love with it and bought. No issues as of yet. Drives great, but honestly, not enough of them on the road. People do look at you driving this rig.
I like the transmission and how it performs, but there have been problems. I have a 2021 Sorento SX with identical transmission and engine. At about 30,000 miles I started to get some juddering in reverse gear. Took it in to the dealer and they informed me the transmission had to be replaced. Took about a week. The dealer and Kia did a good job taking care of the problem. I now have 52,000 miles and no problems. I just returned to Ohio from a west coast trip where I drove 6800 miles in 30 days and the car ran flawlessly. Traveled 75 to 80 mph for 9 hours a day over several days. Average mileage was 25 mpg and I did the calculations.
I agree. It’ll be a Smash Hit. I’m not so sure about the rear of the vehicle… but the rest of this machine? Mustard! (Btw. for those who don’t know, that means absolutely brilliant). Thanks for the video.
I think Hyundai’s drastic design changes tend to visually wear out fairly quickly to me. It’s hot at first but after a few months, it becomes ‘meh’. But this design actually might last awhile. Nevertheless, got to give it to Hyundai for not being afraid to think outside the box - no pun intended.
I think it’s a gorgeous car but I understand the design is somehow polarizing. I really hope they don’t go with a dramatic design change later if it does not get the acceptance they expect (I got your back 2023 Kia Sorento owners 😅).
Zach's comment that the Car Confections transmission troubles may have been caused by a computer glitch elsewhere in the car is intriguing. More and more of a car's components are computer controlled and a programming problem involving an error, a glitch or a conflict is a distinct possibility.
Thank you for the great reviews. I thoroughly enjoy your review videos. Now the question: They aren’t exactly the same, but are both 4-cylinder 2.5ish L turbos…so which would you give the edge to, the Subaru Outback Wilderness or the Santa Fe XRT?
MSRP is very reasonable - its getting through the dealer network up-charges that will be scathing - and dealers are intent on erasing any value with fees and mandatory surcharges. Dealers suck. We know that of course. A home run would be a factory direct purchase from Hyundai in US and Canada...
During the intro when you mentioned "wet clutch" I literally said out loud "oh nooo" and then you mentioned the transmission issues to come and I had a good laugh LOL. Hyundai has had wet clutch transmission issues dating back to 2016. I guess they haven't ironed out all the problems yet. Shame, because this new Santa Fe looks amazing inside and out. I love how flat all the seats fold! That is a rarity these days.
Nice vehicle! A few things I don’t like are a steering wheel design, shifter behind the steering wheel and this thing for climbing to the roof (I just get a ladder to Climb to the roof.}. Great show Andrea! ☕️☕️
The Santa Fe is the better vehicle in every way. New model vs facelift. It has a better interior and more space than the Sorento. The boxy exterior looks nicer, but that's obviously subjective.
In the last year that I've visited the dealership for maintenance, at least five customers were there either picking up their vehicles that just had their DCT replaced or they were experiencing a lot of jerking and loss of power when accelerating. I was there last month and a customer was there complaining that his 2024 Santa Fe only had 2000 km and was really jerky. I used to have an elantra GT but with the 7spd DCT and that got really jerky after 40k km and they had to replace the transmission. I like the interior of this SUV but would definitely go with the hybrid.
Interesting that Hyundai's designers blacked-out the corny "2-guys shaking hands" logo on the exterior and opted for the 4-dot Morse Code and stylized "H" theme on the inside as well as the LED headlights & tail lights. The overall effect is more cohesive and a welcome departure from previous uninspired interior & exterior designs.
When we sat in this vehicle we found that the width of the center console really made the lateral legroom compressed and uncomfortable. Did this bother you?
3rd row seats should be completely (and easily) removable to expose a full length flat floor large cargo area MM, wish would talk a bit about driving position ergonomics and visibility From being a forum member, we noticed H has a few issues with all new models, issues ranging from faulty (costly) injectors on turbo engines, to troubled transmissions that may or may not have a real fix. Engines overall seem better done on their more expensive models - while models such as Elantra may still be troubled in the engine department. Too bad this company finds it acceptable to rush in production complex new transmissions. The least reliable long term models are the hybrids while their EV have been troubled by strange issues, including the braking system. Generally speaking H warranty is very good but their repair time is usually long, due to their overload with faulty GDI engines.
All of you haters of Hyundai who are claiming all the recalls don't even know the facts. They are not even in the top 10. The top 10 car brands with the most recalls in 2023: Honda: 6,334,825 Ford: 6,152,614 Kia America: 3,110,447 Chrysler: 2,732,398 General Motors: 2,021,033 Nissan North America: 1,804,443 Mercedes-Benz USA: 478,173 Volkswagen Group of America: 453,763 BMW of North America: 340,249 Daimler Trucks North America: 261,959
Seen one on the road few days ago... as always, I personally hate low tail lights, most of the times I can't see it, can't see the turn signal, etc... that is what I think. Also... wish vehicle had a larger wheel or design proportion that made it look larger... as of this design... wheels look small compare to vehicle body size. Overall... I PERSONALLY though it did not look as good as from videos & photos. I do love the center console spacing... especially getting rid of gear selector to elsewhere... it's all electronic anyways. Move it away to and make a large open area like this one.
I bought the NHL hybrid edition. Can you advise how to improve the fuel efficiency? Getting over 11L/100km. I am not heavy foot by any means. Any advice would be great. I only drove it for 200km so it is pretty new.
my problem with korean manufacturers is that they don't have a comprehensive design identity, they just keep pushing new things out every year that look nothing like the others, like a new phone every year or something
Exactly. Their constant major redesigns makes their previous models look old and out of date far too soon.. The result of doing this: High depreciation.
The Koreans came a long way from their 90's -2000;s period where their cars were atrocious yet ppl seem to be attracted but suspicious at the same time to their offerings. The price is interesting considering what they offer but the long term reliability is really a gamble. Could get a solid one and have 0 problems or can get one that would drain your wallet. Granted they give 5 yrs or 100.000 km warranty but it seems that Hyundai dealers(service departments) are also a hit and miss. If you add to that we don't have the same lemon laws in Canada like in the US you will be left at the mercy of the dealers/Hyundai Canada in case something bad happens. Long story short I would lease one if that back wasn't as ugly (sorry but the LR/RR are elegant this is not) and if it didn't have a DCT (DCTs are not inherently bad, if you look at VW who's been using them for years) DCTs are complicated transmissions to work on and to service if you have an issue with it. Ah and the gas mileage is ...meh.
I wished it looked more like a Land Rover, a bit less outdoorsy, boxy. LR seems exterior and interior definitely more upscale. I could see wanting to make a change but not quite the mark… does have some value though. As I watched to the end the higher trims do offer better look in the interior.
If I wanted a car that looked like a Land Rover, I would buy a Land Rover. If I wanted 2nd row bucket seats and a third row, I would buy a mini van. I own a 2021 Santa Fe Calligraphy that drives well and I like a lot. I planned to trade in for a 2025, but not now. Mazda CX50 now seems to be a better fit for me.
What a fantastic channel with great reviews and insights! It’s a shame you don’t have the Skoda Kodiaq in Canada like down under. I would have loved to have got your thoughts on the new generation Kodiaq vs new Sante Fe vs Sorento. The previous Kodiaq was so much fun to drive yet so comfortable even on 20s. It’s a shame so many companies don’t allow you to swap wheels to higher profile tyres / lower wheel sizes for better ride comfort - it’s now all about the look with bigger wheel sizes to fill the arches. Talking to some dealers here, the new Sante Fe has just been launched and isn’t flying off the shelves- pricing, hybrid only at launch, styling…
I don't know what to think about the exterior yet. I guess sometimes manufacturers have to take a risk with design -sometimes you hit, sometimes you miss. Maybe I'm thinking the old Pontiac Aztec 🤮
@@littlsuprstrWarranty doesn’t mean much when they deny warranty or use refurbished parts. Someone I know had transmission issues on his Elantra N, was denied warranty as “warning lights weren’t on”.
I wouldn't buy one again! I had a SantaFe. Great car until I began having rear light issues. My biggest issue was I could not get it in for service! I went elsewhere for oil changes because they could not get it for 2 1/2 months!! You need your brake lights!!! Also insurance Co would not insure it due to theft issues. I sold and bought a Toyota. Really too bad because I was going to buy a brand new Santa FE!!
The dual clutch transmission is an issue. AnywaysI had 2 Hyundai ( Tucson and a Santa fe) before my current Toyota. I would stay away from Hyundai. They are great to look at and have a great tech but I had nothing but issues after the 5 year mark. One blown engine and the other had transmission issue. My current Toyota has been great. Zero issues. Yes it's is conservative and doesn't have all the bells and whistles but it just keeps on going. I drive about 35 to 40 K a year. The Toyota is at 175 000 K and still drives like it was new. Fill up and go. Can't say that about the Hyundai's I owned before people start jumping at me I do oil changes every 8000 Km
I really hope that they will find a permanent fix for the DCT. It's obvious they tried to fix the jerkiness and hesitation, but it should also be reliable. Hopefully by buying back the Car Confections Santa Fe, they can accurately diagnosis and fix the issue, and update the manufacturing accordingly.
Loving the look of this thing. Looks roomy too. This is a North American vehicle for sure especially if it has the smooth ride. Ford was the first to dip the toe back into squared family SUVs and now the others have seen the light. This one is like an 80s concept. I hope they get ahead of that transmission issue and it turns out to be an isolated lemon. I agree with Zack something else about it must be eating the transmissions. Maybe the software learned bad habits from being field tested and compensates in an unforseen way.
@@evdanielsson7 Not when you are driving in New York City , when the Blinker is on the bumper and you are in city traffic especially in NYC it is difficult to see.. thanks for the insult
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I need to point out that I OWN A 2023 HYUNDAI SANTA FE and with only about 4000 miles on the vehicle the Transmission had a severe lag and drop in speed when shifting between 2nd and 3rd and 3rd to 4th gear. It does have the Duel clutch transmission. I brought it immediately back to my dealership and after their evaluation they informed me that the TRANSMISSION MUST BE REPLACED. They will have the Santa Fe for three weeks while it is being replaced. The only good news is that the trans will be replaced for free ( good for 10 years ) and they will give me a loaner. A little inconvenient but all under warranty.
Sounds like the guys from Car Confections. Hyundai bought back theirs
Just wait till it starts burning oil
Dual clutch trans on an SUV whyyyyy? You're the dummy.
So it’s being fixed for free. And?
Are they replacing with a new transmission or a refurbished one? Hyundai had been known to use refurbished parts for warranty repairs and replacements.
I just traded my 2019 X3 for a 2024 Santa Fe SEL Hybrid. Ive only put 1000 miles on it and so far it’s been great. I love how quiet it rides and the interior materials are far above imo. My friends can’t believe it’s a Hyundai and are most surprised by it. I did a lot of research and I do feel confident in this purchase. 41 grand plus tax seems like an amazing deal to me. My last two cars have been over 65 and 55 grand and I’m just over sinking that much into what is basically an appliance.
Geometry doesn't lie; a square shape offers the best volume!
worst aerodynamics
@@fffwe3876 True, that's the downside. It depends on your priorities.
It also looks so ugly
If a DCT worries or you don’t like just buy the hybrid. 6spd standard transmission, 36 mpg. Honestly that’s the model imo.
That's what I did, for both the 2023 and 2024 model. I do not care for the DCT. The ride is really fun, but the risk of transmission issues is too high.
hyundai 6 speed is not much better.
but the worst, absolutely worst is the Hyundai engine.
hyundai makes one the the worst engine in the industry.
Althought it does translate to a lower resale value in most cases, I absolutely love hyundai and kias agressive and constantly changing designs and the comfort. It’s what boosts their sales. And while my 23 forte has no issues and i expect no issues from such a reliable/unchanged powertrain. My mom’s kia sorento 2.5L 8 speed auto non turbo was undriveable for over a month and we’ve been paying for several tows to the dealership (35 miles each way:/) While it would not go into gear and or stalled if it did. They finally admitted to their mistake after “hearing the noise now” however they won’t give us a loaner car as they say they’re still tearing apart the transmission to further diagnose it and she won’t get a loaner until they have the parts and start the repair which should only take 1-3 days they estimate.. Terrible customer service on their part and it’s upset us greatly. While I do love the cars themselves this alone is enough for us to know we will be selling it and getting her a used or new Toyota highlander. Glad we have a warranty on the kia but having to pay for our own tows, diagnosis, and rentals for an entire month already had been costly and they don’t seem to care at all.
Edit: I will add the roof rails are VERY helpful when washing the roof like you guys said. I find grabbing onto them and standing on the tires is the only way im able to get the roof clean haha.
You can have the terrible resale work for you
buy 1 year old CPOs.
@@rohitnijhawan5281 I wouldn’t even advise buying a used one let alone CPO Hyundai/kia but CPO is great for some other brands for sure. Also comes with good maintenance plans and warranty sometimes.
This is an amazing 3 row for the price and space it offers. I think the hybrid is the best option due to being carryover, and more reliable. It is shocking how spacious and practical it is, considering the exterior dimensions. It is 6 inches shorter than the Highlander, but much roomier, cheaper and nicer on the inside. Hard for competitors to beat it for how flawless it almost is. It is also available in Europe since it isn't too large for our roads. The Highlander is considered too large, and has been discontinued in many markets in Europe.
Ok car, but I am mostly impressed with the amount of clothes Andrea has. She can literally match every car color out there.
Notice same colour matching too…
I'm still hopeful that one day she'll give us a closet tour. She is so stylish!
I've learned that if you truly wanna know how smooth a ride in a vehicle really is, you just watch Zach and Andrea as they're driving it. The amount of motion between them, and the amount of shake, rattle, and roll will lead you to the better conclusion.
Thank you all for a very nice review! Also, thank you for telling your viewers what I have said all along about the Car Confection Santa Fe transmission failure and buy back. There is something else wrong (software problem / control module problem or some other mechanical issue that is causing both transmissions to fail. I had the wet dual clutch in me Santa Cruz and it was perfection.
I'm looking forward to seeing the hybrid next week. I'm considering a hybrid for my next vehicle, and the Santa Fe is at the top of my list.
I have an NHL edition and it is awesome : )
I have the phantom black hybrid calligraphy and I love it so far. I looked at several different vehicles and nobody could beat this. I had the 2023 SF hybrid but unfortunately it got totaled. I was very open to other vehicles, but they just didn't compare.
I was unsure about the styling, but must say when I saw it in person it looked really good. I’m a fan of the Goldilock size..
We still have our 2007 Santa Fe bought new and it's still going strong along with our 2020 Telluride. For us, long term reliabilty has been great.
you are very lucky.
my sister and mother both got hyundai, and both got engine locked up.
Never buy a hyundai again.
2007 was the first year for the model redesign. Glad to hear you've had good luck with yours. We had a 2008 and really enjoyed it for 11 years and 120kmiles. We started having a few issues, but they were minor. The drivetrain was wonderful, 3.3 V6 with 5 speed auto. Ran amazing but not great fuel economy. Enjoy yours!
It's a great looking vehicle inside and out. Very SUV boxy look and not so much the CUV/hatch look. Car Confections did state that they had others contacting them about transmission "issues" with their Santa Fe s. Really looking forward to the hybrid with 6 speed.
I own a 2015 Hyundai Santa Fe sport 2.0 turbo limited. Flawless vehicle. I’m having a hard time justifying getting rid of it because it runs so well and it’s been paid off for a few years now. 🤷🏽♂️It looks like Hyundai/Kia has fixed the dual clutch transmission issues from transmissions of the past. I’m not surprised. They are quick to make changes, they listen to their customers feedback and they make changes appropriately. Great job Hyundai!
The problem shouldn’t have gotten out in the first place. Seems like they rush getting their new cars out the door.
I'm going to be honest, I don't think they've really fixed the DCT issue. Ofc most vehicles will be fine, but too many of the ICE 2024 SFs are having transmission issues. If you're gonna get the 2024, get the hybrid. MSRP is very similar and you can justify it with the leap in mpg.
That version was my favorite looking Santa Fe 🤩. No need to trade in if everything works fine 😅
Glad they kinda went back to the traditional headlight design type. Don't care for the side step thing by the windows. Better to lease for this first year of production
You guys do such a good job that I want to buy just about every second vehicle you review 🤣
Hundai is extremely attractive and drives absolutely well, but transmission, engine, and assembly issues, water in light assembly after a wash. No if you look for reliability and keep your car. Looks like lease is the only option to avoid huge disappointment down the road.
Yep, dealership experience with Korean brands is absolutely horrendous too.
It’s a Hyundai, look elsewhere. It’s just not worth the headaches.
I picked up a base model FWD SE in April for $34,200 USD. Mine doesn't have the annoying camera that monitors your eyes, seems to be an annoyance on some upper trim models. It has great acceleration, and pulls 28 MPG on the highway with cruise set on 80MPH. Great vehicle so far.
I went and looked at it at a dealership cuz it looked pretty cool on their website. The back shape looks like an inflated hump although I didn't mind it. Very interesting vehicle.
Love those modern digital shifters. You get the space and I dont see the logic of the stick if underneath, you know its all electronics.
Hyundai/Kia are only main stream companies who take chances in design (not 100% sold sure about this one yet), kudos to them! waiting for Hybrid review, I think that will be one to get.
This is the exact same (down to HP and torque) as the Santa Cruz. Yes, there have been some DCT issues with the 22 and early 23 DCTs in the Santa Cruz, so it's always possible that a new model can have issues. I have over 100,000km on my Cruz now and the DCT has been wonderful. I LOVE it. But Hyundai does seem to have a few gremlins with the 2.5T/DCT combo. I wouldn't want it any other way ... well, maybe a hybrid. LOL I've already had my eyes on the Santa Fe Calligraphy to replace my wife's rather unreliable Equinox ... those reclining driver's seats are truly something to experience. Just wish the Calligraphy didn't have the stupid 21" wheels - the 18s on the XRT look fantastic on the Santa Fe. (Dealer had an XRT, Limited, and Calligraphy on the lot last time I was there ... sent me with keys to check them all out. lol)
Dealer got me yesterday. Was in for service on the Cruz ... he had a terra cotta orange Calligraphy on the lot. Said take it for a drive while I was waiting. A few texts with the Mrs, short call, few photos, and I put a deposit on it before I left town. Guess I'll have a 2nd Hyundai in the driveway soon. I do wonder how the DCT will compare to the Santa Cruz though. The programming is definitely different, and I think that's the source of the recall for re-programming. Still really happy with that drivetrain in the SC though, so I think it's going to serve us well in the Fe too. I'm doing really horribly at avoiding 1st year model refreshes ... going to be 2 for 2 on our most recent vehicles. I guess I'm a glutton for punishment or something.
I had a 2020 kia Sorento with a dual clutch and the dual clutch died less that a year into it. They had to buy the car back. I just bought the hybrid Santa Fe with the 6 speed transmission and seems to work great love it.
Thanks for this post. I sure hope that your hybrid Santa Fe - with the 6sp auto - is a total success for you. We need some good news after the problems with the DCT in the 1st version (Sorento included).
Great review, as always. You two bring so much concise information in such a pleasant format.
I bought a 2023 Santa Fe Calligraphy, 2.5T, 8 speed dct. 17,000 miles in 10 months, zero problems. We love it and may well replace it with this newer Santa Fe in a year or two. Again, no problems with ours.
From a design perspective, I think the new Santa Fe is fantastic. I love all the ways they’ve worked “H” into the design.
H for Hideous
Can’t do that back end. I’ve seen them in person and it didn’t help.
In my opinion, for the lads at Car Confections to go through two transmissions, my thinking is something else is wrong that is causing this. But who knows what it would be. But hopefully Hyundai can dissect that vehicle now that they bought it back, to find the issue.
I've already seen a couple of these. I guess it makes a statement where the previous model just blended in. I had a long term rental of the previous model & for the most part enjoyed it. Main issue I had was it wobbled in certain road conditions
Great review, totally a great value play with this car. We have been shopping the redesigned (used 2022/2023) MDX and QX60, yet somehow this new Santa Fe in the Limited Trim level (because bench seat) with it's 10-year warranty is also so attractive and making it a tough decision. Just how you lifted the Santa Fe against the CX-90, I can't believe we're comparing it to a *used* MDX/QX60 and it's holding it's weight. Thanks again for the awesome vid!
You’ll be way ahead of the game with a used Acura MDX over anything new from Hyundai/ Kia.
I'm also considering the santa fe, that warranty is unreal!
@@user-vg9lf5uy7o if you like outdated tech yeah i guess
I test drove the Sorento, didnt like it. Saw the Sante Fe XRT, instantly fell in love with it and bought. No issues as of yet. Drives great, but honestly, not enough of them on the road. People do look at you driving this rig.
I like the transmission and how it performs, but there have been problems. I have a 2021 Sorento SX with identical transmission and engine. At about 30,000 miles I started to get some juddering in reverse gear. Took it in to the dealer and they informed me the transmission had to be replaced. Took about a week. The dealer and Kia did a good job taking care of the problem. I now have 52,000 miles and no problems. I just returned to Ohio from a west coast trip where I drove 6800 miles in 30 days and the car ran flawlessly. Traveled 75 to 80 mph for 9 hours a day over several days. Average mileage was 25 mpg and I did the calculations.
Yes finally here....this is by far the best SUV in price range🔥
It's priced well for sure, there's a lot of value.
Not even close. This is behind Mazda and Toyota big time.
I agree. It’ll be a Smash Hit. I’m not so sure about the rear of the vehicle… but the rest of this machine? Mustard! (Btw. for those who don’t know, that means absolutely brilliant). Thanks for the video.
the rear end is a hot mess. Otherwise..looks ok.
That’s exactly what I’m saying. I absolutely agree… and those H-lights certainly don’t help.
@@kellingtonlink956 the lights are so low, I wonder if other drivers will see them flashing
I love my 2022 Santa Fe Calligraphy! I'm not crazy about this new model, although I do love that driver's screen 😀
LED lights look nice, but will it cost double the price of the vehicle to replace them?
I got to drive a 2023 red hyundai santa fe for a road trip as a rental and it was lovely! I really enjoyed driving it!!! Super fun ride!
I love Hyundai. I've owned several since 99, currently I have '22 Santa Fe Hybrid Blue. But I'd never by a DCT Hyundai
Waiting for the Crown Signia review!!!
Really looking forward to sharing that review on 06/06, it's been a long wait, thanks for your patience.
I think Hyundai’s drastic design changes tend to visually wear out fairly quickly to me. It’s hot at first but after a few months, it becomes ‘meh’. But this design actually might last awhile.
Nevertheless, got to give it to Hyundai for not being afraid to think outside the box - no pun intended.
Great review. I’ve seen this car locally in the Seattle area and it always intrigues me. I like how you handled the transmission question.
I think it’s a gorgeous car but I understand the design is somehow polarizing. I really hope they don’t go with a dramatic design change later if it does not get the acceptance they expect (I got your back 2023 Kia Sorento owners 😅).
Zach's comment that the Car Confections transmission troubles may have been caused by a computer glitch elsewhere in the car is intriguing. More and more of a car's components are computer controlled and a programming problem involving an error, a glitch or a conflict is a distinct possibility.
i still find the 2013 santa fe design quite good looking.
Yes! Me too
Firstly I love your videos. Simply the best out there
It's time for Honda to bring back the Element
Except the element will be more expensive than the Santa Fe 😅
@@davidjym worth it though!:)
@@justcollectingdust I agree !!! the element was an unique and practical vehicle. Not to mention relatively compact in size for city driving.🤗
Thank you for the great reviews. I thoroughly enjoy your review videos.
Now the question: They aren’t exactly the same, but are both 4-cylinder 2.5ish L turbos…so which would you give the edge to, the Subaru Outback Wilderness or the Santa Fe XRT?
I'm more why TH-cam decided to hide the thumbs up Icon?
MSRP is very reasonable - its getting through the dealer network up-charges that will be scathing - and dealers are intent on erasing any value with fees and mandatory surcharges. Dealers suck. We know that of course. A home run would be a factory direct purchase from Hyundai in US and Canada...
looking forward to the hybrid review, I think it will be a big seller
During the intro when you mentioned "wet clutch" I literally said out loud "oh nooo" and then you mentioned the transmission issues to come and I had a good laugh LOL. Hyundai has had wet clutch transmission issues dating back to 2016. I guess they haven't ironed out all the problems yet. Shame, because this new Santa Fe looks amazing inside and out. I love how flat all the seats fold! That is a rarity these days.
It's the most expensive here in Australia and the base trim is woeful. Manual adjustment for all seats I believe...
what trims are there for the hybrid and what prices pls
I really like that 'boxy'' design
Its seems Range Rover-ish to me
There are so many mods that
could be done 👍
Nice vehicle! A few things I don’t like are a steering wheel design, shifter behind the steering wheel and this thing for climbing to the roof (I just get a ladder to Climb to the roof.}. Great show Andrea! ☕️☕️
I like the look of it, but I definitely don't trust the drive train.
DCT in this SUV is the wrong transmission.
I never had an issue, had a car with one, I put 190k on it.
@@EchoAccord What kind of car???
@@EchoAccord yea right. DCT don't last that long.
Thanks for the review, trying to decide between the Santa Fe and Sorrento.
Same for me, let m knw wt u decide & why
The Santa Fe is the better vehicle in every way. New model vs facelift. It has a better interior and more space than the Sorento. The boxy exterior looks nicer, but that's obviously subjective.
Go with a Mazda or Toyota instead. Run from these "value" Korean brands.
Interior is great, but if I wanted something that looks like a flex or defender, I'd buy one of those.
The back end reminds me of Jay Leno's Mr. Brain character.
In the last year that I've visited the dealership for maintenance, at least five customers were there either picking up their vehicles that just had their DCT replaced or they were experiencing a lot of jerking and loss of power when accelerating. I was there last month and a customer was there complaining that his 2024 Santa Fe only had 2000 km and was really jerky. I used to have an elantra GT but with the 7spd DCT and that got really jerky after 40k km and they had to replace the transmission. I like the interior of this SUV but would definitely go with the hybrid.
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Interesting that Hyundai's designers blacked-out the corny "2-guys shaking hands" logo on the exterior and opted for the 4-dot Morse Code and stylized "H" theme on the inside as well as the LED headlights & tail lights. The overall effect is more cohesive and a welcome departure from previous uninspired interior & exterior designs.
When we sat in this vehicle we found that the width of the center console really made the lateral legroom compressed and uncomfortable. Did this bother you?
There are vents for 2nd row seats on B pillars.
Yes vents but I am talking about a climate control button like in the third row.
B pillar vents. Just like my Volvo.
Thanks for the review! Great job! It’s funny how Andrea accelerates and Zack looks for the handle )))
3rd row seats should be completely (and easily) removable to expose a full length flat floor large cargo area
MM, wish would talk a bit about driving position ergonomics and visibility
From being a forum member, we noticed H has a few issues with all new models, issues ranging from faulty (costly) injectors on turbo engines, to troubled transmissions that may or may not have a real fix. Engines overall seem better done on their more expensive models - while models such as Elantra may still be troubled in the engine department. Too bad this company finds it acceptable to rush in production complex new transmissions. The least reliable long term models are the hybrids while their EV have been troubled by strange issues, including the braking system. Generally speaking H warranty is very good but their repair time is usually long, due to their overload with faulty GDI engines.
Such an excellent and comprehensive review. Keep up the amazing work!
All of you haters of Hyundai who are claiming all the recalls don't even know the facts. They are not even in the top 10.
The top 10 car brands with the most recalls in 2023:
Honda: 6,334,825
Ford: 6,152,614
Kia America: 3,110,447
Chrysler: 2,732,398
General Motors: 2,021,033
Nissan North America: 1,804,443
Mercedes-Benz USA: 478,173
Volkswagen Group of America: 453,763
BMW of North America: 340,249
Daimler Trucks North America: 261,959
Seen one on the road few days ago... as always, I personally hate low tail lights, most of the times I can't see it, can't see the turn signal, etc... that is what I think.
Also... wish vehicle had a larger wheel or design proportion that made it look larger... as of this design... wheels look small compare to vehicle body size.
Overall... I PERSONALLY though it did not look as good as from videos & photos. I do love the center console spacing... especially getting rid of gear selector to elsewhere... it's all electronic anyways. Move it away to and make a large open area like this one.
after This Channel Car Confection is my favorites 😍 channel but nothing better than Andrea and Zack ❤
Can't wait for the 2026 full redesign 😅
Keep waiting. Not gonna happen
@@markb3866Obviously you aren't familiar with Hyundai' 2 - 3 year redesign cycle 😅
I bought the NHL hybrid edition. Can you advise how to improve the fuel efficiency? Getting over 11L/100km. I am not heavy foot by any means. Any advice would be great. I only drove it for 200km so it is pretty new.
@realdeal8607 🤣
That seems to be what the non hybrid is rated for though looking at the website
Its design cues come from the Land Rover, the Ford Flex, the Chevrolet Tahoe, and the Chevrolet Traverse.
Everyone is just copying from each other, no surprise 😅
my problem with korean manufacturers is that they don't have a comprehensive design identity, they just keep pushing new things out every year that look nothing like the others, like a new phone every year or something
Exactly. Their constant major redesigns makes their previous models look old and out of date far too soon..
The result of doing this: High depreciation.
What??no identity...u know it's Hyundai when coming towards u..they have some of the sharpest headlights in the biz
Panoramic sunroofs are the biggest waste of money completely useless...like a dam incubator when open
It's their way of getting you to buy their subpar vehicles since they can't get away with boring lazy designs like toyota/honda
@@calebwany8422 i would agree with 'boring" but they have a design language, and it is comprehensive throughout the lineup
Everyone concerned about the DCT and forget that Hyundai has probably the best warranty on their cars
The Koreans came a long way from their 90's -2000;s period where their cars were atrocious yet ppl seem to be attracted but suspicious at the same time to their offerings. The price is interesting considering what they offer but the long term reliability is really a gamble. Could get a solid one and have 0 problems or can get one that would drain your wallet. Granted they give 5 yrs or 100.000 km warranty but it seems that Hyundai dealers(service departments) are also a hit and miss. If you add to that we don't have the same lemon laws in Canada like in the US you will be left at the mercy of the dealers/Hyundai Canada in case something bad happens. Long story short I would lease one if that back wasn't as ugly (sorry but the LR/RR are elegant this is not) and if it didn't have a DCT (DCTs are not inherently bad, if you look at VW who's been using them for years) DCTs are complicated transmissions to work on and to service if you have an issue with it. Ah and the gas mileage is ...meh.
I wished it looked more like a Land Rover, a bit less outdoorsy, boxy. LR seems exterior and interior definitely more upscale. I could see wanting to make a change but not quite the mark… does have some value though. As I watched to the end the higher trims do offer better look in the interior.
@1;22 keep a couple dusting cans in the drink holders and some gloves on your greasy fingers to keep things presentable.
Would the ford Explorer be a comparison? Please do a review on the 2024 /25 Explorer… love the show, best car review show in Canada 🇨🇦
Would anyone know if the Hybrid (with or without the Trend Package in Canada market) has Homelink?
If I wanted a car that looked like a Land Rover, I would buy a Land Rover. If I wanted 2nd row bucket seats and a third row, I would buy a mini van. I own a 2021 Santa Fe Calligraphy that drives well and I like a lot. I planned to trade in for a 2025, but not now. Mazda CX50 now seems to be a better fit for me.
Absolutely love the new Kia Sorento and your review of it ❤
What a fantastic channel with great reviews and insights! It’s a shame you don’t have the Skoda Kodiaq in Canada like down under. I would have loved to have got your thoughts on the new generation Kodiaq vs new Sante Fe vs Sorento. The previous Kodiaq was so much fun to drive yet so comfortable even on 20s. It’s a shame so many companies don’t allow you to swap wheels to higher profile tyres / lower wheel sizes for better ride comfort - it’s now all about the look with bigger wheel sizes to fill the arches. Talking to some dealers here, the new Sante Fe has just been launched and isn’t flying off the shelves- pricing, hybrid only at launch, styling…
Amazing review of the Sante Fe Andrea and Zack! I'm digging this design by Hyundai
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it!
4:50 some models are too angular and sharp - but I like the rectangle?
I don't know what to think about the exterior yet. I guess sometimes manufacturers have to take a risk with design -sometimes you hit, sometimes you miss. Maybe I'm thinking the old Pontiac Aztec 🤮
Hmm, I thought the Subaru Ascent and Mazda CX-90 were in the same class as the Palisade/Telluride?
Hyundai interiors are really very good. And it's a good thing they have that warranty. It's still a great value regardless of gremlins.
How do you believe it is a value when it has gremlins?
@@genzigzag warranty
@@littlsuprstrWarranty doesn’t mean much when they deny warranty or use refurbished parts. Someone I know had transmission issues on his Elantra N, was denied warranty as “warning lights weren’t on”.
The old model just looked very classy I think. It seems like kinda a weird change to make a vehicles identity so different
This version is too ridiculously radical looking
They tried dual clutch transmissions in big trucks, but with two clutch pedals you couldn’t work the gas pedal.
That thing looks sweet. Interested
Not my cub of tea. Great review as usual.
I wouldn't buy one again! I had a SantaFe. Great car until I began having rear light issues. My biggest issue was I could not get it in for service! I went elsewhere for oil changes because they could not get it for 2 1/2 months!! You need your brake lights!!!
Also insurance Co would not insure it due to theft issues.
I sold and bought a Toyota. Really too bad because I was going to buy a brand new Santa FE!!
The dual clutch transmission is an issue. AnywaysI had 2 Hyundai ( Tucson and a Santa fe) before my current Toyota. I would stay away from Hyundai. They are great to look at and have a great tech but I had nothing but issues after the 5 year mark. One blown engine and the other had transmission issue. My current Toyota has been great. Zero issues. Yes it's is conservative and doesn't have all the bells and whistles but it just keeps on going. I drive about 35 to 40 K a year. The Toyota is at 175 000 K and still drives like it was new. Fill up and go. Can't say that about the Hyundai's I owned before people start jumping at me I do oil changes every 8000 Km
Great review as always but that rear end reminds me of a Geo Metro
I really hope that they will find a permanent fix for the DCT. It's obvious they tried to fix the jerkiness and hesitation, but it should also be reliable. Hopefully by buying back the Car Confections Santa Fe, they can accurately diagnosis and fix the issue, and update the manufacturing accordingly.
Loving the look of this thing. Looks roomy too. This is a North American vehicle for sure especially if it has the smooth ride. Ford was the first to dip the toe back into squared family SUVs and now the others have seen the light. This one is like an 80s concept. I hope they get ahead of that transmission issue and it turns out to be an isolated lemon. I agree with Zack something else about it must be eating the transmissions. Maybe the software learned bad habits from being field tested and compensates in an unforseen way.
I like the box shape. It reminds me of the Jeep commander that I wish they would’ve kept around.
The two youtube channels with recent videos responsible for killing the Hyundai EV and Santa Fe sales.
Honda has owned the Morse code 'H' for decades. (It sounds when you open the door with the key in the ignition.)
Great review although vehicle is Ugly .. don’t like rear signal on the bumper as well…can’t see them in heavy traffic
if you are so close to the car that the taillights are out of view, then you are the problem lol
@@evdanielsson7
Not when you are driving in New York City , when the Blinker is on the bumper and you are in city traffic especially in NYC it is difficult to see.. thanks for the insult