Wayne here - I'm on a mission. Don't 4get if ur watching + enjoying to hit the like button! I am NOT connected 2 Pass The Wire in ANY way. Found Jon early last year + enjoy the content like many of you. Let's keep this great content coming by hitting the thumbs up button. Thanks!
Wayne here - Thanks Jon! Appreciate everything u share! I think I speak 4 many viewers when I say take up as much of our time as u want. We love the content of these #'s + Patterns videos. Yes, of course I would love a Belmont #'s + Patterns video!
Moved from rome n.y arcadia ca in 1975,my dad took me to santa anita one day, ever since, horse racing has been part of my soul.thanks for the great info Romeny
I just heard a new interview with Bob Baffert saying Imagination hangs back with the other horses and may need to step up. That's what you see in this horse's replays from 2023. I never have liked him, but he has been running alongside Muth, so maybe they have taught him to win by now. If not, Tuscan Gold or Dan may stick a neck ahead of Imagination, or Capturing Freedom catch them all. (CF is so eager to run, he has been kicking and bucking.) I am still on Mystik Dan, with the others in my top 4, then Seize the Grey in 5th or 6th.
Great explanation of the Thorograph sheets usage. I always enjoy watching your handicapping reviews, our next number predictions are pretty much identical. I've been using sheets for some years before Jerry went on his own, then went to his over Ragozin's. They are a necessary tool in horse racing, whether for claiming, managing, breeding, and certainly betting. Although viewed with different lenses for each. Watching your shows is refreshing and brings me to your(our) conclusions without doing the work myself. Thank you, MCS.
Thanks so much for the show Jon and for elaborating a bit on my question about Mystik Dan's pair. You're right that Forever Young and Sierra Leone got better #s, they released the Derby sheets. Forever Young got the fastest Derby # pairing his 1 and Sierra Leone paired his 1.5.
Jon your insight on the numbers is outstanding and thanks for letting us know it's only a part. If you have a show for the numbers and patterns for the Belmont would be great but understand if time doesn't work. Thanks ! Romans 8:31
Uncle Heavy is coming off 6 weeks rest,off a bad/regression number in a race where he broke bad from an outside post,and had trouble in the stretch when a horse fell right next to him. Getting Irad is like the Jets getting Rodgers. Last I saw he was bet down from 20 to 7-1.
Good info Jon, Jeff F is my buddy! I bet Tucson Gold in Derby pool at 50 something to 1 because of his Gulfstream race and then he backed it up at Da Fairgrounds. It’s 8 for me and backing up with Muth over 8. Chad and Baffert are so good in this race!!! Thanks Smokin Joe @smokinjoertr12
U got to do the belmont. Dont know what numbers will be in final 4 Preakness but wasn't excited with the 100buyer and 3 on sheets for k.d. maybe the belmont at same distance will be a great show 4 u 2pick someone bigtime moving 4ward. Do the belmont.
Thanks again Jon I'm very new to watching your podcasts but they kept jumping on me I'm becoming addicted. I've been playing for over 50 years and watching the podcast with Tom the hammer and the guy with race fixes those were award winning interviews. I couldn't believe how many things you guys talked about I encountered so many golden nuggets players need to absorb track marketing should be using these I training seminars trying to recruit new young players a very rough game hard game not for everyone but a still love it even after that Saratoga meet which was the worst run meet ever ran in my 50 years.everyone in management should have been fired after that meet. I'm still learning your lingo but when referring to computer players are you talking about people using a computer or networks betting. And when you were asking Tom about tipping I think he misinterpreted what you were asking answering like tipping people in your group giving you a tip. I assumed you were asking if you should tip the tellers after big wins at the track. It's very important I feel.i always use the same one once I find a component one which is getting harder and harder. Keep up the good work and everything is so truthful and honest.were still standing been beat up many times but everything is just a short term loan that I will get back 2 points a week interest compounding so watch out Saratoga I'm going for your jugular you owe alot lol
Please John do the Belmont numbers and patterns thank you so much, been at this game a long time and never learned more or cashed more tickets since listening to your experiences and expertise, again thanks for your willingness to help us race track bums...Buena Suerte y VAYA CON DIOS
They'd embedded My mind As Three Had Imprinted Three Techniques Brickworks Traditions Traditional Traditionalist Traditionalism Winning Color's Risen Star Slew O Gold Strike The Gold Holy Bull My Soul
Catching Freedom's first race this year was on New Years Day, If that race is one day earlier and he finishes his 2 year old year with a 7 1/4 and starts his 3 year old year with ,5-4-3 it's a lot different,and even if it's a 2 week turn around it's,then only 4 points developement from his 2 year old top,where as now it looks like he's already developed 6 points from his 2 tear old top.
Good stuff as always Jon 👍.. Tuscan Gold for the upset... That be tits... If it Rains which is most likely... it Changes stuff... great show.. looking forwardcto your BELMONT VID 😉😁 But if you cant do "You Cant Do" we still appreciate ALL THAT YOU DO.. 👍
Derby winner in the slop at Pimlico will get it done! The slop will move Danny up! Use Danny over Cox and C.Brown. LUCAS SIEZE THE GRAY HAS ABSOLUTELY NO Fing shot AT ALL!!! THEY PUSHED THAT RAT OVER IN THE PAT DAY MILE!!! HORSE IS GETTING THE LEAD 8 LBS.NO SHOT!
I saw many now only one unless u deleted them .at lleast u respnded to him. I feel like giving him 120dollars of mind just not to see his replies. Stay healthy jon.@PastTheWireTV
Actually if it is a muddy track you would have to get the Daily Racing Form and see which horses come out fast and stay in front to avoid mud their face. Mystic Dan is one, Just Steel is another so far.
Im new to thorograph numbers, but ive been watching yiour videos and recall you saying you dont like horses that dont pair or better their 2 year old numbers, Muth didnt but you say you like Muth, me understand like i said im new to this
Yes they run on it all year and I call it durf. It’s hard as a rock. They wear it out even with the synthetic races. Tough to run on a turf course year round.
Jon - just curious because I live in Florida also. Is there anyway to place bets online. Hard Rock doesn't seem to cover the ponies. Thanks for all you do. I listen carefully!
The old Belmont ones and BC ones are up. I also use clips from them in various videos. Most of the people have been attending them for years. Again this one I messed up by using the wrong link as we had a new studio. Not proud of it at all. 😬
Gotta say jon .it might just go back to old school hadicapping now the muth is out. One speed one bet. Sure you can figure it out. Gd. Luck on yr ame day decision.
@@joestone776 I'm leaning toward an exacta box with Catching Freedom and Mystik Dan. On race day, I'll decide on my Win bet as I'm still on the fence between the two.
Hey Jon I know you loved Sierra Leone like I did he could of won Just wanted to know your thoughts on what they are saying about Tyler Gafflione I don't think he did anything wrong If you view front video of the horses coming at you Didn't Forever young drifted first into Sierra Leone Like 3 times then it went BK and forth but no one is saying this I still love the Horse he's my pick if he runs Belmont stakes
Forever Young wins the Derby without the terrible break and even with a much worse break than Sierra Leone Forever Young still wins if Sierra Leone is not drunk man hugging him down the entire stretch. I love your show but Sierra Leone was not better than Forever Young.
@@PastTheWireTV think you do a phenomenal job and you use a different approach and that is usually the best approach! I was very disappointed in the Derby finis, I had Forever Young with Catching Freedom on top with Mystic Dan, Sierra Leone and my top 2 in 2nd, 3rd and 4th. Tough photo but that’s racing, LOL.
First time watcher here. Am I the only one who thinks Mystik Dan is not the great mudder everybody thinks he is and just caught the right part of the track in the Southwest ? My thoughts on Just Steel. Awful ride by Keith. Had him too close on a past pace.
I was there 1984 Had Went Three Twenty Horse's Time Every Ninety Days Six Those Preekness My Horse Five Gold Piece's Second Ugliest 1884⁉️2001 West Virginia Breeder's Classic Just Swale First Colt First Crop First Start Breaking Maiden Third Filly First Time Starter Breaking Maiden Sire Swale Strike The Gold Seeking The Gold First Crop First Time' Starter Breaking Maiden Filliy t Cowgirl in Lace First Black Type Set Record We Had Our Win Picture Up We're Up Time Square Two Pair Sway Back Sickle Hocked
No not wrong on his action at all. His action isn’t pretty. I was wrong about the horse and said so in my takeaway show so the question is, why is that what you’d point out? I’m probably the guy in racing who readily admits when I was wrong as I did on this show as well, yet that’s what you point out lol. Seriously lol.
Wayne here - I'm on a mission. Don't 4get if ur watching + enjoying to hit the like button! I am NOT connected 2 Pass The Wire in ANY way. Found Jon early last year + enjoy the content like many of you. Let's keep this great content coming by hitting the thumbs up button. Thanks!
You’re the man! We all greatly appreciate these videos
Now that Muth is scratched....Tuscan Gold becomes even more interesting...
Ageeed
Wayne here - Thanks Jon! Appreciate everything u share! I think I speak 4 many viewers when I say take up as much of our time as u want. We love the content of these #'s + Patterns videos. Yes, of course I would love a Belmont #'s + Patterns video!
Moved from rome n.y arcadia ca in 1975,my dad took me to santa anita one day, ever since, horse racing has been part of my soul.thanks for the great info
Romeny
Thanks for taking the time to give us great info!
Thanks Jon 👊🏼
Definitely would like the numbers for The Belmont. Ty Jon.
Really Appreciate the show sir god bless!
Thanks for doing the Preakness numbers for us .👍😊😊
😊
I just heard a new interview with Bob Baffert saying Imagination hangs back with the other horses and may need to step up. That's what you see in this horse's replays from 2023. I never have liked him, but he has been running alongside Muth, so maybe they have taught him to win by now. If not, Tuscan Gold or Dan may stick a neck ahead of Imagination, or Capturing Freedom catch them all. (CF is so eager to run, he has been kicking and bucking.) I am still on Mystik Dan, with the others in my top 4, then Seize the Grey in 5th or 6th.
Would love to see a Thorograph numbers show on the Belmont. These shows are so helpful. Thank you so much 😊
Thanks Jon, great stuff as usual. I could listen to you talk about horses every day for as long as you can talk! Grazie and good luck to you!
More to come! Appreciate it
Belmont please, please
You gotta do the thorograph for the Belmont.. this is the most informative media out there, in my opinion… thanks
Great show. As always. I always learn something from you.
Thanks Jon!
Thanks Jon! Your insights are always appreciated!
Awesome show thank You
Jon your insights by the numbers in unparalled. I really hope you have a show for the numbers and patterns for the Belmont. There is nobody better
Thank you Jon!
Great explanation of the Thorograph sheets usage. I always enjoy watching your handicapping reviews, our next number predictions are pretty much identical. I've been using sheets for some years before Jerry went on his own, then went to his over Ragozin's. They are a necessary tool in horse racing, whether for claiming, managing, breeding, and certainly betting. Although viewed with different lenses for each. Watching your shows is refreshing and brings me to your(our) conclusions without doing the work myself. Thank you, MCS.
Yes please on the Belmont!
Thanks so much for the show Jon and for elaborating a bit on my question about Mystik Dan's pair. You're right that Forever Young and Sierra Leone got better #s, they released the Derby sheets. Forever Young got the fastest Derby # pairing his 1 and Sierra Leone paired his 1.5.
Jon your insight on the numbers is outstanding and thanks for letting us know it's only a part. If you have a show for the numbers and patterns for the Belmont would be great but understand if time doesn't work. Thanks ! Romans 8:31
Very interesting information shows using the " numbers... great job
Uncle Heavy is coming off 6 weeks rest,off a bad/regression number in a race where he broke bad from an outside post,and had trouble in the stretch when a horse fell right next to him. Getting Irad is like the Jets getting Rodgers. Last I saw he was bet down from 20 to 7-1.
Jon good morning from the west coast appreciate your grinding efforts.
Great show on the numbers as always!!
Great work, thank you.
catching freedom is a single for me..horse knocking on heavens doors.
Kenny was going to skip this but decided to get in because Dan was doing so well(or maybe the owner ordered him to).😎.
GOAT! Thanks, Jon!
Kind words much appreciated
Thanks
Need the Belmont numbers and patterns - here is the noise Jon!
Good show!
18:40 EVERYONE LISTEN TO THIS. This is the best betting advice you will ever get "There is no value in a LOSING WAGER."
Would love and appreciate Belmont show, even if it’s down and dirty, no frill.
Ah Monaco,I had a great time there,one of most enlightening trips of my life.
Good info Jon, Jeff F is my buddy! I bet Tucson Gold in Derby pool at 50 something to 1 because of his Gulfstream race and then he backed it up at Da Fairgrounds. It’s 8 for me and backing up with Muth over 8.
Chad and Baffert are so good in this race!!!
Thanks Smokin Joe @smokinjoertr12
Jon,love the video
U got to do the belmont. Dont know what numbers will be in final 4 Preakness but wasn't excited with the 100buyer and 3 on sheets for k.d. maybe the belmont at same distance will be a great show 4 u 2pick someone bigtime moving 4ward. Do the belmont.
it's not numbers. it's the num ber. Catching Freedom!
Thanks again Jon I'm very new to watching your podcasts but they kept jumping on me I'm becoming addicted. I've been playing for over 50 years and watching the podcast with Tom the hammer and the guy with race fixes those were award winning interviews. I couldn't believe how many things you guys talked about I encountered so many golden nuggets players need to absorb track marketing should be using these I training seminars trying to recruit new young players a very rough game hard game not for everyone but a still love it even after that Saratoga meet which was the worst run meet ever ran in my 50 years.everyone in management should have been fired after that meet. I'm still learning your lingo but when referring to computer players are you talking about people using a computer or networks betting. And when you were asking Tom about tipping I think he misinterpreted what you were asking answering like tipping people in your group giving you a tip. I assumed you were asking if you should tip the tellers after big wins at the track. It's very important I feel.i always use the same one once I find a component one which is getting harder and harder. Keep up the good work and everything is so truthful and honest.were still standing been beat up many times but everything is just a short term loan that I will get back 2 points a week interest compounding so watch out Saratoga I'm going for your jugular you owe alot lol
Great show! THANKS
What are those numbers?
catching freedom is a single for me. alot wiseguys are gone imagine , and play. imagination. good !.
Please John do the Belmont numbers and patterns thank you so much, been at this game a long time and never learned more or cashed more tickets since listening to your experiences and expertise, again thanks for your willingness to help us race track bums...Buena Suerte y VAYA CON DIOS
They'd embedded My mind As Three Had Imprinted Three Techniques Brickworks Traditions Traditional Traditionalist Traditionalism Winning Color's Risen Star Slew O Gold Strike The Gold Holy Bull My Soul
Thanks Jon and Geo. 👻
Great show, as always!
Catching Freedom's first race this year was on New Years Day, If that race is one day earlier and he finishes his 2 year old year with a 7 1/4 and starts his 3 year old year with ,5-4-3 it's a lot different,and even if it's a 2 week turn around it's,then only 4 points developement from his 2 year old top,where as now it looks like he's already developed 6 points from his 2 tear old top.
Good stuff as always Jon 👍.. Tuscan Gold for the upset... That be tits... If it Rains which is most likely... it Changes stuff... great show.. looking forwardcto your BELMONT VID 😉😁 But if you cant do "You Cant Do" we still appreciate ALL THAT YOU DO.. 👍
Thx Jon 🥶 🧊 🥶
Love the show
Derby winner in the slop at Pimlico will get it done! The slop will move Danny up! Use Danny over Cox and C.Brown. LUCAS SIEZE THE GRAY HAS ABSOLUTELY NO Fing shot AT ALL!!! THEY PUSHED THAT RAT OVER IN THE PAT DAY MILE!!! HORSE IS GETTING THE LEAD 8 LBS.NO SHOT!
Thank you xoxox cugine
Grazie Cugine !
Catching Freedom got number and forn win this outright. the math don't lie.
Wow jon. U got some people with comments that are ridiculous. These people dont hear yr words at all. But i lisen cafully.
Thank you. Yeah I just saw a few. Unbelievable 🤷🏻♂️
I saw many now only one unless u deleted them .at lleast u respnded to him. I feel like giving him 120dollars of mind just not to see his replies. Stay healthy jon.@PastTheWireTV
Actually if it is a muddy track you would have to get the Daily Racing Form and see which horses come out fast and stay in front to avoid mud their face. Mystic Dan is one, Just Steel is another so far.
Dam jon I should just wheeled Sierra Leone my mistake the freight train
Forget the Belmont. Maybe the MET MILE
Interesting
Sure hope you do the Belmont !!!
Muth is out of the Preakness Tuscan Gold is my pick!!!!
Im new to thorograph numbers, but ive been watching yiour videos and recall you saying you dont like horses that dont pair or better their 2 year old numbers, Muth didnt but you say you like Muth, me understand like i said im new to this
Hey Jon are you a East Coast guy originally just wondering I'm originally from South Philly moved to South Jersey all my life
Fierceness .......................numbers dont lie------------------LOL
I'm in Texas
TG gave Sierra Leone a 1.5 and Forever Young a 1.0 in the Derby.
Zig zag with Uncle Henry?
"There's no value in a losing wager!" 😂
Belmont
Ps.jon check out c.brown with prat 7 in race be4 Preakness.
“Sorry hope”
Starry lol best !!!!!!!
So with the scratch of Muth we put Tuscan Gold on top now or Imagination?
We did an update
I love this channel!! Off subject, I could use help with something... do you know why the GP turf so damned fast?
Yes they run on it all year and I call it durf. It’s hard as a rock. They wear it out even with the synthetic races. Tough to run on a turf course year round.
Lmao durf
Thanks!
I gotta go with shady bob baffert
Jon - just curious because I live in Florida also. Is there anyway to place bets online. Hard Rock doesn't seem to cover the ponies. Thanks for all you do. I listen carefully!
Yes, most ADW’s. AmWager, NYRA Bets, or any others.
Why don't you put the $120 Kentucky Derby Seminar TH-cam so we can see Transparency
I have in the past, had a technical issue on this one which is fixed but didn’t save it because of that. I totally messed it up technology wise.
The old Belmont ones and BC ones are up. I also use clips from them in various videos. Most of the people have been attending them for years. Again this one I messed up by using the wrong link as we had a new studio. Not proud of it at all. 😬
Gotta say jon .it might just go back to old school hadicapping now the muth is out. One speed one bet. Sure you can figure it out. Gd. Luck on yr ame day decision.
MUTH scratched! 🤦♂️
GREAT SHOW AS ALWAYS JON ARE YOU GONNA UPDATE THE SHOW WITH MUTH SCRATCHED ???
Muth is out now though
With the big scratch it looks like you’re on TG?
Banging the drum; making noise. DO IT. Bring the numbers for Belmont. By the way, I don't like Muth at all.
Who do you like?
@@joestone776 I'm leaning toward an exacta box with Catching Freedom and Mystik Dan. On race day, I'll decide on my Win bet as I'm still on the fence between the two.
Lmao..exceptions to the rule 😂
Hey jon any word on what im hearing that muth is out.
fever
@@PastTheWireTV that puts a kink in the race.
How do I purchase thorograph numbers and learn how to use them?
thorograph.com and right here
Hey Jon I know you loved Sierra Leone like I did he could of won Just wanted to know your thoughts on what they are saying about Tyler Gafflione I don't think he did anything wrong If you view front video of the horses coming at you Didn't Forever young drifted first into Sierra Leone Like 3 times then it went BK and forth but no one is saying this I still love the Horse he's my pick if he runs Belmont stakes
You got know clue! SL lugged in the entire length of the stretch! Don't know what race you people are watching!
great ideas...but put mike closer,do weekly to show new people info...1st bet at 13,...50 years later in handicapping , also show the sheets
Los Angeles
June 1st race I think?
@@mattbutler4763 patience
@@PastTheWireTV 👍🏻
4.5 5 9 what are those numbers?
Forever Young wins the Derby without the terrible break and even with a much worse break than Sierra Leone Forever Young still wins if Sierra Leone is not drunk man hugging him down the entire stretch. I love your show but Sierra Leone was not better than Forever Young.
disagree but that is ok and what makes a horse race....hopefully we get a rematch
@@PastTheWireTV think you do a phenomenal job and you use a different approach and that is usually the best approach! I was very disappointed in the Derby finis, I had Forever Young with Catching Freedom on top with Mystic Dan, Sierra Leone and my top 2 in 2nd, 3rd and 4th. Tough photo but that’s racing, LOL.
But he didn't win did he! If is a big word.
@@kevinpantera4429 my point exactly, Mystic Dan did.
So since Muth scratched….
First time watcher here. Am I the only one who thinks Mystik Dan is not the great mudder everybody thinks he is and just caught the right part of the track in the Southwest ? My thoughts on Just Steel. Awful ride by Keith. Had him too close on a past pace.
I was there 1984 Had Went Three Twenty Horse's Time Every Ninety Days Six Those Preekness My Horse Five Gold Piece's Second Ugliest 1884⁉️2001 West Virginia Breeder's Classic Just Swale First Colt First Crop First Start Breaking Maiden Third Filly First Time Starter Breaking Maiden Sire Swale Strike The Gold Seeking The Gold First Crop First Time' Starter Breaking Maiden Filliy t Cowgirl in Lace First Black Type Set Record We Had Our Win Picture Up We're Up Time Square Two Pair Sway Back Sickle Hocked
What is z pattern?
Jon…do what you can do…when you can do it. Gtfoh 😂
MUTH Scratched
Much scratch
Muth
Thoroughly wrong on forever young’s action.
?
No not wrong on his action at all. His action isn’t pretty. I was wrong about the horse and said so in my takeaway show so the question is, why is that what you’d point out? I’m probably the guy in racing who readily admits when I was wrong as I did on this show as well, yet that’s what you point out lol. Seriously lol.
This is what i mean when people dont lisen 2 yr words. Yet u still try 2 be nice and explain. @PastTheWireTV
@@CarlCarlson-k5p exactly and thank you!
Thank You Jon!