The two bag system is the goat. My Canadian Armed Forces ECW sleep system was my first, has kept me warm at -45 Celsius and very comfortable, easy to move around in. I like to use a fleece liner as base bag and add sleeping bags of varying weight for a given temperature range I expect to be in. I always Luke to have more bag than needed, you can always cool down by opening the bag but you will never be able to get warmer. I love your tip about using your bag as a blanket, I have been doing that for years in warmer weather. PS, Wiggy's offers some very good two bag systems for various temperature ratings, great bags.
This tip is mainly for military use, but I use it on civilian trips too when I have 2 bags instead of 1 thick (like you said with a cabin). In regards to putting 1 sleeping bag inside the other you “should” put the lighter/colder one OUTSIDE the bigger/warmer one. E.g. Carinthia Defence 4 inside Carinthia Defence 1. Even if it seems counter-intuitive it is for 2 reasons: 1: You will get condensation, but it will be on the outer sleeping bag. If you have limited time or heating sources the wet or frozen sleeping bag is the lighter one which makes it easier to dry. 2: You will get condensation, but it will be on the outer sleeping bag. If you can’t dry the outer bag, at least you still have the warmer one intact.
Aahhh it’s soo nice to see the tent that I spent some nights in! Dogsledding with Matti was one of the most amazing experiences i’ve ever had! 😍 Matti definitely knows what he is doing and talking about!
Ser intressanta ut. Har du haft möjlighet att testa Rockfront i flera säsonger? Nyfiken på hållbarhet. Hälsningar från en vintertältare i Kiruna. /Micke
Awesome video. The old Canadian military arctic bags were the two down bags inside each other with a goretex bivy bag, with a liner . They look very warm, but very heavy. Thank you Matti, your videos are the best.
I have a summer (40°F/4°C) UGQ quilt/bag and a 3 season WM Terralite (25°F/-4°F). For extra cold weather I put the quilt/bag over the Terralite. I can also stuff a down blanket and a bag liner in the Terralite as it is very spacious, and throw a synthetic blanket over the top to keep the humidity out of the down. That and a good R-8+ pad with a Reflectix roll underneath and I can get down to about -30°F/-35°C. Layering can work super well, but be absolutely certain you test your equipment someplace safe where you can get out quickly if it goes wrong. Dying from exposure is a very easy thing to do.
Oh and if anyone is going to try layering, make sure your layers are not compressing each other (due to say the inner being the same size as the outer) as that will hurt the ability for down to loft
For syntetic CARINTHIA makes quality sleeping bags. Awesome zipper and their temperature rating is trustworthy imo. Bulky but solid and includes a quility compression bag. Have found alot of the “in style” brands featured heavily on yt have poor temp rating compared to real life. So be careful of comparing their bulk based on numbers alone.
I greatly prefer a center zip in a sleeping bag. when I rotate during the night I get lost in a sidezip. I dont camp in the arctic, so my winter setup challenge is alot more about temperatures going above and below zero on the same outing. I have been told down should be able to vent better just like wool, in terms of using a sleeping bag above its intended temperature range (as in warmer weather than intended). if thats the case I might have to give down a try :)
The US military has a two bag cold weather sleep system, although it is of synthetic fill. Both bags are less than $300. I wonder if Swedish military has a similar system. And the US system has a waterproof bivy that goes over the bags for moisture resistance. I have the system, but have yet to use it n cold weather. I’m told it is good for below 0 Fahrenheit
Swedish military use a variant of Charintia 2 bag system as standard, Sovsäck 2000. There are many other different sleeping systems as well in use here. I have a similar system from Charintia and I have slept outdoors in -27C, works great!
I prefer to use sleeping bags from Wiggys for winter camping. They may be bulky and heavy but they handle moisture like no other sleeping bags I've used.
At first, I thought you were joking when you said you bought the axe for elks, but then I realised that elks can definitely be a danger. In the peace movement in the 70s, we had the slogan to convert tanks into ploughs. Your idea that the axe is made from a Russian tank reminded me. I really hope Ukraine will have peace soon and can afford to convert weapons to peaceful use. I've never considered putting a lighter sleeping bag into a warmer one. That's a good idea, but I wonder about the overall weight. I don't have a dog sledge; I carry it on my back. 😉Though the sleeping bags have become so lightweight that two together probably don't weigh more than a single old-style sleeping bag, I have to test that. It's a good idea.
Very easy if you have a hot tent, the hot tent will naturally dry things out, just hang it up higher (flooring also helps keep the humidity down). If you don't I suggest using a synthetic outer layer (synthetic quilt) for your sleep system as body moisture will condense in it and not in the down.
Great advice! I was thinking about that for some time and with your video I will do it. I have one down sleeping bag with comfort rating about zero degrees and maybe buy one summer sleeping bag? If I can get in that way -15 degrees it will be great!
I especially like the center zip configuration of Rock Front Sleeping bags. I've not heard of "Rock Front" up until now. The only sleeping I have is Western Mountaineering Antelope (0ºF) it's been "overfilled" by WM. Mine has the Gore Windstopper outer fabric. WM sleeping bags are either right side or left side zippers, sadly, no center zips. You made no mention about Warranty or Customer Service? Rock Front's website says 24 months Warranty for their Sleeping bags. Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada, U.S.A.
Very annoying I cant see what I write until I have sent it... New syntetic bags might be better, safer, but in the old time (1980-s) when I bought my first bag syntetig bag was considered quite flamable, downbag very hard to get burning exept the thin fabric.
i spent 2 grand in feathers down clothing, bed and sack from rab, ikea, cumulus and rab, and all of them has little filling, like you have to buy 2 units and use one as a donor to complete it. that's the agressive market strategy. i've been saving money because thanks to the feathers i quit using the natural gas heater at home here in spain. but i should have bought the feathers myself. i found one place it's 4 kilograms for 70 european coins. that is nothing compared to the 620 i paid for this rab summit, 700 of the rsb sack etcetera. i should get duplicated oversized clothing and sew it to normal size same clothing, with feathers in between, for a fraction of the price, and more durable.
"Piece of a Russian tank sounds awesome." But it might then be of doubtful quality for a tool you have to rely on 100%, be it to chop wood or angry elks...
i am from the US and we have given multiple billions to ukraine, that being said i would highly recommend you look into purchasing a MSS Military Sleep System made in America, this will help us continue to send money to ukraine indefinitely.
As a Canadian dog musher and trapper, I don't see how a heavy axe will benefit you in an elk (moose?) encounter. Those front feet will stomp you flat before you are in range to swing the axe. I carry a saw and small axe for fire building. I also carry a gun. A light .22 or .22 mag fits in the sled bag easily. Any time I've had a mama moose blocking the trail any defense weapon is kind of useless because the dogs always go crazy and want to charge the moose. Both hands are needed to hold the sled back. An axe could be reassuring for wolves, though IF you are dealing with just one. But wolves just seem to follow the sled and are less of a concern compared to a cranky moose. Thanks for the video.
The weapon laws are a bit different even for a .22. But I agree an axe is not so good. Bears are a bigger problem, but they are rare and shy. elk doesnt exist in europe, he mean moose. I would prefer a splitting axe. To scare the animals you need a long stick (and balls).;)
The two bag system is the goat. My Canadian Armed Forces ECW sleep system was my first, has kept me warm at -45 Celsius and very comfortable, easy to move around in. I like to use a fleece liner as base bag and add sleeping bags of varying weight for a given temperature range I expect to be in. I always Luke to have more bag than needed, you can always cool down by opening the bag but you will never be able to get warmer. I love your tip about using your bag as a blanket, I have been doing that for years in warmer weather. PS, Wiggy's offers some very good two bag systems for various temperature ratings, great bags.
This tip is mainly for military use, but I use it on civilian trips too when I have 2 bags instead of 1 thick (like you said with a cabin).
In regards to putting 1 sleeping bag inside the other you “should” put the lighter/colder one OUTSIDE the bigger/warmer one.
E.g. Carinthia Defence 4 inside Carinthia Defence 1.
Even if it seems counter-intuitive it is for 2 reasons:
1: You will get condensation, but it will be on the outer sleeping bag. If you have limited time or heating sources the wet or frozen sleeping bag is the lighter one which makes it easier to dry.
2: You will get condensation, but it will be on the outer sleeping bag. If you can’t dry the outer bag, at least you still have the warmer one intact.
Thank you for this video.
thank you so much for your support 🇺🇦
I have rockfront sleeping bags as well and they serve very well!
Aahhh it’s soo nice to see the tent that I spent some nights in!
Dogsledding with Matti was one of the most amazing experiences i’ve ever had! 😍
Matti definitely knows what he is doing and talking about!
Double is the way to go ... especially when it gets to -30. That will get you keep you very warm
So happy I found this. I love rock front as a brand but it’s so hard to find video reviews of their products.
Ser intressanta ut. Har du haft möjlighet att testa Rockfront i flera säsonger? Nyfiken på hållbarhet. Hälsningar från en vintertältare i Kiruna. /Micke
Awesome video. The old Canadian military arctic bags were the two down bags inside each other with a goretex bivy bag, with a liner . They look very warm, but very heavy.
Thank you Matti, your videos are the best.
I have a summer (40°F/4°C) UGQ quilt/bag and a 3 season WM Terralite (25°F/-4°F). For extra cold weather I put the quilt/bag over the Terralite. I can also stuff a down blanket and a bag liner in the Terralite as it is very spacious, and throw a synthetic blanket over the top to keep the humidity out of the down. That and a good R-8+ pad with a Reflectix roll underneath and I can get down to about -30°F/-35°C. Layering can work super well, but be absolutely certain you test your equipment someplace safe where you can get out quickly if it goes wrong. Dying from exposure is a very easy thing to do.
Oh and if anyone is going to try layering, make sure your layers are not compressing each other (due to say the inner being the same size as the outer) as that will hurt the ability for down to loft
Good idea. Seems obvious to do but this is the first time I've seen this mentioned.
I like PHD from 🇬🇧 good you mention Ukraine
Hva anbefaler du for noen som er allergisk mot dun? Mange soveposer?
Kolla på ett märke som heter Carinthia. De gör bra sovsäckar som är prisvärda MEN syntet blir tyngre och mer volym.
/Matti
For syntetic CARINTHIA makes quality sleeping bags. Awesome zipper and their temperature rating is trustworthy imo. Bulky but solid and includes a quility compression bag. Have found alot of the “in style” brands featured heavily on yt have poor temp rating compared to real life. So be careful of comparing their bulk based on numbers alone.
I greatly prefer a center zip in a sleeping bag. when I rotate during the night I get lost in a sidezip. I dont camp in the arctic, so my winter setup challenge is alot more about temperatures going above and below zero on the same outing. I have been told down should be able to vent better just like wool, in terms of using a sleeping bag above its intended temperature range (as in warmer weather than intended). if thats the case I might have to give down a try :)
Front Rock makes also quilts and other sleeping bags.
/Matti
Yes their quilts looks very interesting too. Can be used with hammocks asswell (on the outside).
The US military has a two bag cold weather sleep system, although it is of synthetic fill. Both bags are less than $300. I wonder if Swedish military has a similar system. And the US system has a waterproof bivy that goes over the bags for moisture resistance. I have the system, but have yet to use it n cold weather. I’m told it is good for below 0 Fahrenheit
Swedish military use a variant of Charintia 2 bag system as standard, Sovsäck 2000.
There are many other different sleeping systems as well in use here.
I have a similar system from Charintia and I have slept outdoors in -27C, works great!
👋🏻 Dubbel sovsäck. Det var smart, hade jag nog inte kommit på själv. 😄
Standard I armén
Jag köpte nästan en 400 ul, men det var precis kring black friday och de hann bli slutsålda. Har dunbrallor på väg från dem istället, bland annat.
I prefer to use sleeping bags from Wiggys for winter camping. They may be bulky and heavy but they handle moisture like no other sleeping bags I've used.
At first, I thought you were joking when you said you bought the axe for elks, but then I realised that elks can definitely be a danger. In the peace movement in the 70s, we had the slogan to convert tanks into ploughs. Your idea that the axe is made from a Russian tank reminded me. I really hope Ukraine will have peace soon and can afford to convert weapons to peaceful use.
I've never considered putting a lighter sleeping bag into a warmer one. That's a good idea, but I wonder about the overall weight. I don't have a dog sledge; I carry it on my back. 😉Though the sleeping bags have become so lightweight that two together probably don't weigh more than a single old-style sleeping bag, I have to test that. It's a good idea.
How do you keep the bags dry over multi-day trips 🤔 if camping without stove?
Very easy if you have a hot tent, the hot tent will naturally dry things out, just hang it up higher (flooring also helps keep the humidity down). If you don't I suggest using a synthetic outer layer (synthetic quilt) for your sleep system as body moisture will condense in it and not in the down.
Great advice! I was thinking about that for some time and with your video I will do it. I have one down sleeping bag with comfort rating about zero degrees and maybe buy one summer sleeping bag? If I can get in that way -15 degrees it will be great!
More pro tips! Would you trust 2 synthetic bags?
I especially like the center zip configuration of Rock Front Sleeping bags. I've not heard of "Rock Front" up until now.
The only sleeping I have is Western Mountaineering Antelope (0ºF) it's been
"overfilled" by WM. Mine has the Gore Windstopper outer fabric. WM sleeping bags are either right side or left side zippers, sadly, no center zips.
You made no mention about Warranty or Customer Service? Rock Front's website says 24 months Warranty for their Sleeping bags.
Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada, U.S.A.
Ok, that's not for my Summer Bicycle tour 😂.
New syntetic bags considered much more flamable, a downbag was really hard to get burning.might be different but in the "old time" they were
Very annoying I cant see what I write until I have sent it... New syntetic bags might be better, safer, but in the old time (1980-s) when I bought my first bag syntetig bag was considered quite flamable, downbag very hard to get burning exept the thin fabric.
You can use 3 very cheap sleeping bags to stay warm,(square models) is better for me, I want to move my legs free inside them.
i spent 2 grand in feathers down clothing, bed and sack from rab, ikea, cumulus and rab, and all of them has little filling, like you have to buy 2 units and use one as a donor to complete it. that's the agressive market strategy.
i've been saving money because thanks to the feathers i quit using the natural gas heater at home here in spain.
but
i should have bought the feathers myself. i found one place it's 4 kilograms for 70 european coins. that is nothing compared to the 620 i paid for this rab summit, 700 of the rsb sack etcetera. i should get duplicated oversized clothing and sew it to normal size same clothing, with feathers in between, for a fraction of the price, and more durable.
I love how you promote Ukrainian products. Piece of a Russian tank sounds awesome. 😅
"Piece of a Russian tank sounds awesome."
But it might then be of doubtful quality for a tool you have to rely on 100%, be it to chop wood or angry elks...
Thanks!
😉
/Matti
Elks attack?
Yes, some are really angry and they are huge!
The maximum height is 197cm, so if you are tall, these won’t work
i am from the US and we have given multiple billions to ukraine, that being said i would highly recommend you look into purchasing a MSS Military Sleep System made in America, this will help us continue to send money to ukraine indefinitely.
As a Canadian dog musher and trapper, I don't see how a heavy axe will benefit you in an elk (moose?) encounter. Those front feet will stomp you flat before you are in range to swing the axe. I carry a saw and small axe for fire building. I also carry a gun. A light .22 or .22 mag fits in the sled bag easily. Any time I've had a mama moose blocking the trail any defense weapon is kind of useless because the dogs always go crazy and want to charge the moose. Both hands are needed to hold the sled back. An axe could be reassuring for wolves, though IF you are dealing with just one. But wolves just seem to follow the sled and are less of a concern compared to a cranky moose. Thanks for the video.
The weapon laws are a bit different even for a .22. But I agree an axe is not so good. Bears are a bigger problem, but they are rare and shy. elk doesnt exist in europe, he mean moose. I would prefer a splitting axe. To scare the animals you need a long stick (and balls).;)
He was making a joke, he has a gun for protection 👍🏻
Want nothing do with entities have 'rock' or .eu in their names.