Hey everyone. 9.2.5 caught us more off guard than an RMP 3-2-1 opener. The specs listed in this video are incredibly likely to dominate next patch, but we will be sure to post an update if anything changes. The removal of Demon Armor will slightly hurt Destro in some matchups, but overall they will likely be a power house for the remainder of the season.
@@sodapopcurtisjr There's 25 total Affliction Warlocks in glad, 176 Fury Warriors, 151 Destruction Warlocks across NA/EU. Affliction probably can't survive long enough to stack ID after this nerf, which means no big drain.
"Holy is the strongest healer for reasons A B C D E F G H I J and K And if that just wasnt enough, they can rez themselves in arena" Lmao what a time to be alive.
@@nikitafedenchenko1396 as the RMP or vs the RMP?`Sephuz works fantastic vs as holy. because they go you anyway and if ur ress you gome back with 0 health.
I have played rogue as my main for many years, always choosing assassination. I stepped away for a few years and came back and decided after testing all three specs, that I liked outlaw the best. Once decently geared (ilvl 262 full 7/7 upgraded honor), I have found the outlaw rogue to be even more resilient than arms and fury warriors. Cheap shot out of stealth, 7 second kidney shot, a vanish to do the cheap shot again, evasion, cloak of shadows, kick, blind, disarm, and cool down reduction abilities all can leave the other team exasperated as the other team cannot get you down, especially with a fantastic healer involved. Add their mobility with hook and sprint, on top of feint and you have a deadly warrior that does not fight fair in the least. I find their burst lacking overall, but the sustained dps, and sustained overall survivability as the fight goes longer; and a huge array of tools will help you lock out caster types and melee types of all kinds. Definitely recommend if you wanna see your enemies flee after messing with you just once. You are simply not an easy target if you know how to play outlaws fast paced setups. To note: outlaw is meant for longer duration fights. Play your outlaw as a class not to kill fast, but to control every aspect of the fight. Not a good pug class to play, as you really need clean, clear and precise communication with your team. Often times pugs do not know what rogues bring to the table and break cc frequently.
This was an awesome breakdown and great read. I've only played subtlety and never tried outlaw since they switched it from combat. I will def give it a shot now this week. Sounds really fun!
Fury is the 2nd highest spec in glad representation for dps. Warrior is tied with mages for dps classes, both ahead of Warlock. Destro was 1st dps in glad representation, with a nerf directly benefitting the next 2 (fury and ret). I expect Fury to continue being very strong in arenas.
On my fury my priest and I have a funny way to deal with this. Make sure you have the speed conduit for deaths advance and choose the talent wraith walk. The second you see conqueror's banner Asphyxiate stun & death's advance away. If they trinket leap hamstring, wraith walk away (removes hamstring). If they go the priest fade & feather zoom away then chastise / fear if needed. If you are in line of sight of enemy healer AMS if you see them casting mind control - a good h priest countered this run away strat by MC me back to the warrior to be chopped up lol... after this 15 second workout is over, grip priest to warrior grabby hands and finish the game xD
@@DoublebrutalCS2 this is actually solid strat, will give it a go :) I’ve been trying to kite but I usually get 100-0 if they touch me for 1-3 seconds 😂
Yeah it talks about the trinket being an auramastery, it says the stun from 4 set is good, and it names demon armor as a reason why locks can live. All of those things were gutted and removed from the game to stop locks from ever playing :)
@@lihisluikku it's actually insane they nerfed lock before fury war, or at least an actual nerf not the slap on the wrist fury got. Brain dead class tearing it up on the ladder
@@Senpaisoldier Yeah I actually sent all my conquest boxes to my alt warrior, crafted a basic legendary, and instantly got past my main lock's CR without even getting a full conquest set, let alone upgrading it. Just face mash 2 buttons. Rampage twice into raging blow spam=win
@@Eggwrath probably good that destro got a nerf, but it's a very weird nerf that killed affliction (a spec with no representation in glad). There were other ways to nerf destro, such as removing the stun on 2pc.
@@Eggwrath It's a weird nerf because instead of addressing the issue with the spec (2pc set), it highlights how strong Fury/Ret are. Mages were and still are the tankiest caster, also with more representation in glad than Warlocks. The issue to be addressed with destro clearly is the 2pc.
@@Eggwrath also, why don't you mind removing Demon Armor from Aff? It's a spec with no representation in glad, hardly comparable with mages, warriors, rogues, etc., and it just got it's survivability gutted for no reason whatsoever.
@@Eggwrath Destro used to have more of a "turret" playstyle, it's very much in the spec identity to have a long cast that deals a lot of damage and be hard to kill. BFA screwed with that by adding too much haste and this season by adding 2pc, but now destro isn't nowhere near as tanky as you imply or as it used to be. Mages are still tankier and you will find more mages and warriors than warlocks in high rating. Idk what class you play, but Fury is likely next in the chopping block (representation already is 2nd to Destro, with Warrior being tied to Mages in class representation and this lock nerf makes them even better), possibly followed by Ret (will also climb due to lock nerf). Mages/Rogues SHOULD get some sort of nerf (even more so with how tanky mages are right now, so much so that against lock/mage you focus the warlock), but blizzard doesn't like nerfing those two.
Is there any ranged DoT class worth playing atm? I know that Shadow got battered by crap legendary choices, affli is not worth playing when you can play destro and Boomkin is a meme as always. Or should I give affli another try?
Ive been playing affliction and doing well. The demon armour nerf hurts but they keep them stam buff basline now. I would recommend trying it more. The double leggo and gear helps a lot been having a lot of fun playing it.
There really aren't many true DoT specs right now. Both Shadow Priests and Affliction Warlocks are playing a more 3-2-1 setup based playstyle, despite having DoTs as a primary source of damage.
17:15 he said you CC a priest and watch him hit holy word and fade away, but i thought holy word only broke the next cc and not the current. Any clarification is appreciated.
I think he means they cast it right as you land your cc so it immunes it or they fade it then they are away or the go is over and you can’t land it anymore
I can assure you I am a fury warrior and cannot make it past 1600 the ranged classes are by far the favored and coming up against a rogue with 50 stuns is absolutely nuts. Fury is good but not even close how good rogues, hunters , and mages are. I have no problem against warlocks btw.
@@gapplebees9678 hahah really I feel the same way about you every mm hunter I come up against has a one shot build I chase they bubble I slow they kill me . I’m sure you are super good but the amount of stuns everyone has no is ridiculous.
@Philip Gregory I disagree they aren't that bad ive done really well with them and ive seen them do well. They arent a meta pick but they arent dead. Not everything has to be meta. They are able to play and succeed with if you play them good enough and I think that with still be true.
@Philip Gregory 200 armor Bruh as a tank I barely feel 400 and I get hit by PHYSICAL DAMAGE a lot more AND don't get to use another bonus for more tankness overall against people
Mmmm I don’t know. My resto shammy is always at the top of the healing tier in bg’s. And everything is always gear dependent, my holy priest gets deleted in bg’s with a 245 gear score. Lol. Destro chaos bolt is the truth lmao
Holy priests are exceptionally OP right now. Restoshammies are strong, but a bit weaker overall, imo. Also it's harder to play as a restoshammy - higher skill cap.
Destro is gutted do not listen to this at all lol. Removal of Demon Armor with resolve nerf and double nerf to your tier set is going to be a grave dug for destro. Usually SC is decent at this stuff but no - do not go destro, go Demo if you want to play Lock. Other than that : Rogue all 3 specs, Mage, HPriest are what you should play. Just look at AWC.
I don't udnerstand how hole paladins are mentioned as spec with high cc while they have the least and most difficult to land cc compared to healers like Resto dudu and Holy Priest. On top of that, damage ? For real ? If a holy Paladin spams damage non-stop the whole game there is no way he can beat any other healer.
Making life as a BM hunter awfully rough 😑 it's still a really fun spec and can hold its own if you know how to play it. Running into rogue/mage or double rogue is always a problem though. Quick shout out to DH though they really stay consistent through it all imo.
Hey everyone. 9.2.5 caught us more off guard than an RMP 3-2-1 opener. The specs listed in this video are incredibly likely to dominate next patch, but we will be sure to post an update if anything changes.
The removal of Demon Armor will slightly hurt Destro in some matchups, but overall they will likely be a power house for the remainder of the season.
So weird to nerf Affliction like that...
@@lMchMyersl affliction lowkey broken. Saw some guy in 2.1k mmr 2v1 fights abusing drain life.
@@sodapopcurtisjr the drain life legendary is ridiculous haha
@@sodapopcurtisjr irony?
@@sodapopcurtisjr There's 25 total Affliction Warlocks in glad, 176 Fury Warriors, 151 Destruction Warlocks across NA/EU. Affliction probably can't survive long enough to stack ID after this nerf, which means no big drain.
"Holy is the strongest healer for reasons A B C D E F G H I J and K
And if that just wasnt enough, they can rez themselves in arena"
Lmao what a time to be alive.
It’s honestly the stupidest thing ever, here i am as a resto shaman not getting in a group since everyone wants either holy priest or paladin.
Lax urself. Ress leg sucks over 1800 rating. And the setbonuses have received massive stealthnerfs in pvp.
@@Fredrikbb doesnt change the fact that holy priest is still the best healer by a fucking mile lol. In terms of damage and healing.
@@Fredrikbb res leggo is still top notch for rmp
@@nikitafedenchenko1396 as the RMP or vs the RMP?`Sephuz works fantastic vs as holy. because they go you anyway and if ur ress you gome back with 0 health.
It would be cool to see a video “specs to alt” where you show the best and easy specs for ppl to play on every single class! Love your videos 🤩🤗
You can’t suggest destro locks as top. As they will most likely be bad next week once 9.2.5 hits and the melee cleave will be able to run over locks
Literally duo with a deso lock I'm ret pally and we smashed every Melee comp
We are all talking about 3s the game isn’t balanced around 2s. In 3s melee cleave will cut open every locks
Locks will not be rained over brother that double chaos bolt no joke not even for a melee
@@JS-skankhunt42 even when I fo third locks dps is over the top
I have played rogue as my main for many years, always choosing assassination. I stepped away for a few years and came back and decided after testing all three specs, that I liked outlaw the best. Once decently geared (ilvl 262 full 7/7 upgraded honor), I have found the outlaw rogue to be even more resilient than arms and fury warriors. Cheap shot out of stealth, 7 second kidney shot, a vanish to do the cheap shot again, evasion, cloak of shadows, kick, blind, disarm, and cool down reduction abilities all can leave the other team exasperated as the other team cannot get you down, especially with a fantastic healer involved. Add their mobility with hook and sprint, on top of feint and you have a deadly warrior that does not fight fair in the least. I find their burst lacking overall, but the sustained dps, and sustained overall survivability as the fight goes longer; and a huge array of tools will help you lock out caster types and melee types of all kinds. Definitely recommend if you wanna see your enemies flee after messing with you just once. You are simply not an easy target if you know how to play outlaws fast paced setups. To note: outlaw is meant for longer duration fights. Play your outlaw as a class not to kill fast, but to control every aspect of the fight. Not a good pug class to play, as you really need clean, clear and precise communication with your team. Often times pugs do not know what rogues bring to the table and break cc frequently.
This was an awesome breakdown and great read. I've only played subtlety and never tried outlaw since they switched it from combat. I will def give it a shot now this week. Sounds really fun!
Best classes are.... rogue..... mage..... priest..... lol.... so same as usual.
Has there ever been a time since the big bang that Rogue wasn't at the top of the PvP latter?
Not really
ye early seasons of SL although because rogue takes skill good rogues never can be bad
problem?
I still mained outlaw rouge when he said it was bad and now it’s good. Yay for me!
Any other dks just getting absolutely deleted by fury warriors right now xD
We do amazing into most specs, but necro fury just seems impossible xD
bro i feel that, fury is the biggest nightmare
Fury is the 2nd highest spec in glad representation for dps. Warrior is tied with mages for dps classes, both ahead of Warlock. Destro was 1st dps in glad representation, with a nerf directly benefitting the next 2 (fury and ret). I expect Fury to continue being very strong in arenas.
I'm a balance druid and if I can lock a fury warrior down with dots and roots I do okay but holy hell, leap and double charge make it very difficult
On my fury my priest and I have a funny way to deal with this. Make sure you have the speed conduit for deaths advance and choose the talent wraith walk. The second you see conqueror's banner Asphyxiate stun & death's advance away. If they trinket leap hamstring, wraith walk away (removes hamstring). If they go the priest fade & feather zoom away then chastise / fear if needed. If you are in line of sight of enemy healer AMS if you see them casting mind control - a good h priest countered this run away strat by MC me back to the warrior to be chopped up lol... after this 15 second workout is over, grip priest to warrior grabby hands and finish the game xD
@@DoublebrutalCS2 this is actually solid strat, will give it a go :) I’ve been trying to kite but I usually get 100-0 if they touch me for 1-3 seconds 😂
guess this was made before the nerfs destro lock going to have a tough time
Yeah it talks about the trinket being an auramastery, it says the stun from 4 set is good, and it names demon armor as a reason why locks can live.
All of those things were gutted and removed from the game to stop locks from ever playing :)
@@lihisluikku yet no melee nerfs... strange. Ret war comps flooding the ladder. So dumb
@@Senpaisoldier And outlaw RMP is unbeatable. Survival, all rogue specs, and fury just dominating 2v2
@@lihisluikku it's actually insane they nerfed lock before fury war, or at least an actual nerf not the slap on the wrist fury got. Brain dead class tearing it up on the ladder
@@Senpaisoldier Yeah I actually sent all my conquest boxes to my alt warrior, crafted a basic legendary, and instantly got past my main lock's CR without even getting a full conquest set, let alone upgrading it.
Just face mash 2 buttons. Rampage twice into raging blow spam=win
Awesome video as always. Cheers!
"For Kodlak!" - Vilkas
Destro took a pretty big hit to survivability with Demon Armor removal. Affliction is now dead =p
destro kills affliction
@@Eggwrath probably good that destro got a nerf, but it's a very weird nerf that killed affliction (a spec with no representation in glad). There were other ways to nerf destro, such as removing the stun on 2pc.
@@Eggwrath It's a weird nerf because instead of addressing the issue with the spec (2pc set), it highlights how strong Fury/Ret are. Mages were and still are the tankiest caster, also with more representation in glad than Warlocks. The issue to be addressed with destro clearly is the 2pc.
@@Eggwrath also, why don't you mind removing Demon Armor from Aff? It's a spec with no representation in glad, hardly comparable with mages, warriors, rogues, etc., and it just got it's survivability gutted for no reason whatsoever.
@@Eggwrath Destro used to have more of a "turret" playstyle, it's very much in the spec identity to have a long cast that deals a lot of damage and be hard to kill. BFA screwed with that by adding too much haste and this season by adding 2pc, but now destro isn't nowhere near as tanky as you imply or as it used to be. Mages are still tankier and you will find more mages and warriors than warlocks in high rating. Idk what class you play, but Fury is likely next in the chopping block (representation already is 2nd to Destro, with Warrior being tied to Mages in class representation and this lock nerf makes them even better), possibly followed by Ret (will also climb due to lock nerf). Mages/Rogues SHOULD get some sort of nerf (even more so with how tanky mages are right now, so much so that against lock/mage you focus the warlock), but blizzard doesn't like nerfing those two.
Is arms warrior still good as necrolord?
you kyrian with arms but its alright with necro
Blizzard ....why you made shamans if you hate them ????
For making them suffer :)
Ele and enhance are literally both good right now…
@Philip Gregory If you think they're mediocre, maybe you're just mediocre with them
But 9.2.5 is coming next week!
Is there any ranged DoT class worth playing atm? I know that Shadow got battered by crap legendary choices, affli is not worth playing when you can play destro and Boomkin is a meme as always. Or should I give affli another try?
Ive been playing affliction and doing well. The demon armour nerf hurts but they keep them stam buff basline now. I would recommend trying it more. The double leggo and gear helps a lot been having a lot of fun playing it.
Shadow sadly sucks atm right now it feels like.
There really aren't many true DoT specs right now. Both Shadow Priests and Affliction Warlocks are playing a more 3-2-1 setup based playstyle, despite having DoTs as a primary source of damage.
17:15 he said you CC a priest and watch him hit holy word and fade away, but i thought holy word only broke the next cc and not the current. Any clarification is appreciated.
I think he means they cast it right as you land your cc so it immunes it or they fade it then they are away or the go is over and you can’t land it anymore
@@Blu3yo thank you ninja!
I can assure you I am a fury warrior and cannot make it past 1600 the ranged classes are by far the favored and coming up against a rogue with 50 stuns is absolutely nuts. Fury is good but not even close how good rogues, hunters , and mages are. I have no problem against warlocks btw.
I play mm hunter and fury warriors absolutely dumpster me. I literally can't kite them.
@@gapplebees9678 hahah really I feel the same way about you every mm hunter I come up against has a one shot build I chase they bubble I slow they kill me . I’m sure you are super good but the amount of stuns everyone has no is ridiculous.
And BM Hunter ?
Man affliction warlock is really fun atm imo.
Too bad it's been deleted from arenas now that Demon Armor has been removed =p
@@lMchMyersl I disagree we keep the stam baseline. The armour loss hurts tho. But thats not gonna make them dead.
@@BatChad correct. 'cause afflocks already dead.
@@notted3 there's a difference between being meta and being dead they are not dead. You can still play them and do well.
@Philip Gregory I disagree they aren't that bad ive done really well with them and ive seen them do well. They arent a meta pick but they arent dead. Not everything has to be meta. They are able to play and succeed with if you play them good enough and I think that with still be true.
RBG list please 🙏🏻
they already made one
better rename title on 'HOW TO BE A METASLAVE'
Lists like this are the reason why FOTM players exist
And now warlocks are losing Demon armour :)
Good :)
Only really a armor nerf, still have insane hp
@Philip Gregory 200 armor
Bruh as a tank I barely feel 400 and I get hit by PHYSICAL DAMAGE a lot more AND don't get to use another bonus for more tankness overall against people
Mmmm I don’t know. My resto shammy is always at the top of the healing tier in bg’s. And everything is always gear dependent, my holy priest gets deleted in bg’s with a 245 gear score. Lol. Destro chaos bolt is the truth lmao
Holy priests are exceptionally OP right now. Restoshammies are strong, but a bit weaker overall, imo. Also it's harder to play as a restoshammy - higher skill cap.
Waiting for WotLK guides!
So it's back to being the same meta as it's always been. Woopidoo.
Frost DK
Destro is gutted do not listen to this at all lol. Removal of Demon Armor with resolve nerf and double nerf to your tier set is going to be a grave dug for destro. Usually SC is decent at this stuff but no - do not go destro, go Demo if you want to play Lock. Other than that : Rogue all 3 specs, Mage, HPriest are what you should play. Just look at AWC.
Did this mans really just quote Crusader lol???
This shit gave me a fucking headache 😂 there's wayyyyy too many DMG mods in the game and I need this to stop 🤣🤣
Silly video. Obviously it's Holy priest, Destro lock, any rogue, fury warr. Congrats on your new Glad mount.
Alright so my 3 main classes are Enhancement Shaman, Unholy DK and Resto Druid. Looks like I am SOL this patch 🤣🤣
Enhancement is doing well tbh and the tier set is really fun
Im about to get my last couple gladiator wins on my enhance. It's in a good spot right now. Playing turbo is easy wins. Bigdonnyx-Stormrage
@@ActrixTheTank It was more meant as a joke lol. But I appreciate the enthusiasm. I am enjoying Enhance as well right now.
Unholy pumps too
Resto Druid is always going to be a solid healer, not always on top but hardly ever on bottom
This videos are pretty much the same thing every time...but I watch them every time. Why?
all3 rog speccs s tier pls nerf?
I don't udnerstand how hole paladins are mentioned as spec with high cc while they have the least and most difficult to land cc compared to healers like Resto dudu and Holy Priest. On top of that, damage ? For real ? If a holy Paladin spams damage non-stop the whole game there is no way he can beat any other healer.
Nah dude Ret pally Al day
Making life as a BM hunter awfully rough 😑 it's still a really fun spec and can hold its own if you know how to play it. Running into rogue/mage or double rogue is always a problem though. Quick shout out to DH though they really stay consistent through it all imo.
bm is just boring bro. survival is rlly fun
I mean to each their own, I have a ton of fun playing BM
Is it bad I still love marksman😂, love that spec
Ww Monks are broken nerf them
where are the hunters? 70 % of all 2k+ games are hunters
Hunter has one of the lowest representations
Fire mage pvp ez
Same as always lol
Rogues, Wars, Mages…… for the 50th time. This game sucks glad I quit
First
rmp for ever and ever
Cc wins games 🎮