This is quite remarkable 😍! I recall having a Hornby Flying Scotsman many, many years ago as a boy in the 1970s ... running with its set of teak carriages I thought it was the bees knees, but just look at this! Next level, and incredible to see how the models have progressed across the decades. Thank you for another great video 👍🚂
I picked up one of these models from a large UK retailer. I test ran it at my local Rail club. They (and I) loved it. The steam generator works in sync with the sound chip to produce amazing chuff sound with real steam! Running at a low speed you get a real chuff sound with a blast of steam. Great value for money.
I have this model and love it. I won a competition through hornby to have a morning with Flying Scotsman at Shildon. Definitely the best railway day I have ever done. Brilliant video.
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That's so cool - did you win the loco or justthe day out ? - I entered that IIRC - was that day out a runner up prize? - nice one either way! My Scotsman is an old Triang one with "Chuff-Chuff" tender. It needed a service, a few new brass bolts that had snapped and needed the threads gently spinning out with a tiny drill bit. The chuff-chuff mechanism is like the old stick in the spokes of your bike to try to get an engine noise, but I really like it.
I won the flying Scotsman experience. It was the first time Hornby have ever done that as a prize. I got to oil the axle boxes on the drivers side and in the cab. I also got footplate rides before the rides opened to the public. It was definitely worth getting up at 4:30am to do.
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Fantastic model. I am also glad to see Hornby is still doing innovative things.
10:08 He said the thing! The loco is a gorgeous example of what Hornby are capable of and that smoke unit is definitely something that should see more widespread use not just with Hornby and OO gauge, but all others too! Nicely done, mate!
It's a huge leap forward, Hylton. The ability to sync the exhaust with the cylinder stroke / sound and the fact that flammable oil isn't involved are very welcome innovations. FL is a magnificent ambassador for both the heritage railway industry and the railway modelling hobby. And I agree with you regarding the purity of Gresley's A1/A3 stylish design. It's a great shame only 1 example has survived into preservation. A very comprehensive review.
Thank you Stephen, I absolutely agree with your sentiments of FS being an ambassador, shes done wonders for preservation and kept blokes like me, on the other end of the planet, seriously invested in preservation. Again, as always, thank you.
As much as it pains me to compliment the Flying Teapot.... Hornby have done good with this one. The smoke generator is a class bit of innovation and can't wait to see more model *Cough* Castle *Cough* coming out in the future! Great vid as always Hylt! - James
Find all the buzz about these new smoke units interesting, as locomotives with puffing smoke have been around since 1946 in my own neck of the woods with 3 rail O gauge here in the states. The fancier units that sync to the sound and motion have been commonplace for over a decade. I will say it's neat these new ones use water instead of oil, maybe as they become more common retrofitting kits might become available to put in older locomotives.
I hear you - there’s been some great tech around for a while, but this one is certainly very special given its RTR with water, I think that’s pretty neat!
This looks amazing, I have a Black 5 with steam generator pre ordered from Rails of Sheffield. Despite the criticisms the first release of models had. I pray that it performs just as good as this when it arrives.
Great video as always. Love the length of review. Detailed but straight to the point. Totally agree around Hornby sometimes they make it easy to bash them but when they get it right they are hard to beat. The matt smoke box is great and I look forward seeing this become more standard. I’m waiting for the black five with steam and sound to come out for my first experience of this new tech alongside Earl Marishal with the double deflectors. The black is getting slightly smaller lamps based on viewing it at the NEC.
Thanks mate, I’m glad you enjoy them, sometimes I wonder if a waffle on a bit? 😜 Which black 5 will you be getting? I won’t deny, I do have Earl on order with the extra deflectors too, I feel like that’s the ultimate P2 😎
@@Proper_Chuffed Yes the idea of breathing in oil smoke and having it deposited over my layout has never appealed, but these are nice and clean and won't damage your health or layout. No melted parts either.
A really nicely finished looking loco Mc Hylton..all the attributes of a Scotsman a heavy smoker and water for the whiskey. The very first loco I got as a kid……back in the day!! Still love it …..it’s way ahead of my original…..it’s going to look great pulling your distillery tours train.🏴🏴
😝 McDavid, my good man, I love the connection, she’s got Caledonian blood she does. Do you still have your original FS? Imagine the famous flying Scotsman relegated to whisky train duty 😂 cheers my friend
I think there’s a bit of Mc’y taking going on here…. Yes,I still have it,the Triang Hornby incarnation….it actually does have a glowing firebox…at that time ,something wonderful….still running quite well,not a patch on your beauty all the same . I was thinking more possibly a Royal Scot tour ,rather than the ‘ Broons ‘ on a day oot!.. Keep up the great content Mc Hylton your doing us proud..🏴🏴
@@David-cq2mz indeed a lot of Mc’erry going on here, I couldn’t help it 🤷♂️ for the time, a glowing firebox is pretty special. Even the chuffing noise generator on the old tri-angs holds up quite well! I think you definitely need to ask the chief if it could be under the tree, you won’t be disappointed, but check out the new P2 with extra smoke deflectors, that’s coming too very soon! 😳
Was done donkeys years ago Literally 50 years or more they used few drops steam oil down the chimney . But must admit that is good and as you say no nasty oils But now the hobby is out of reach of children unlike when I was a child in the 1960s. Used to spend hours at my local toy shop admiring the latest models.
There was a company installing water steam units in OO steam locomotives a couple of years before Hornby. I almost think it was something like TRS? Last I heard they were working on adding exhaust from the valves too.
Hats off to Hornby especially for the water only steam generator. The other steam units used oil as you pointed out and you could set off a smoke detector on startup and if they went awry. The Flying Scotsman with its classical look and 4-6-2 configuration has only one contender for most famous and that is the Big Boy but that's here in the States. Great review and demo, Jersey Bill
Indeed JB, I much prefer this water method, less mess over time and very pleasant to run too. Haha I thought you might mention Big Boy, agreed, equally famous.
There are a good number of Big Boy models available on the market here in the states but the ones that do have smoke units, which I think is only the one from Broadway Limited Imports, uses an oil based unit that I have heard is very fickle and problematic as well as prone to damaging or even melting the plastic around the smoke stack. Offering a more reliable water based unit would definitely be a selling point for someone that doesn't want to deal with the temperamental smoke unit in the Broadway model.
Great review, I’m waiting for the black 5 to try it for myself, but happy there’s a lot of positives with it, the oils have put me off trying the current generators, not sure why anyone would like the plug socket tender connections, I can’t think of a single redeeming feature for those
Great video on this one here Hilton, I bought the P2 Prince of Wales earlier this year with the steam generator, originally I wasn’t going to get one but after seeing the Scotsman on someone else’s layout I had a look to see if there was any of the P2s left as I already have a couple of flying Scotsman’s and luckily managed to find a place that had one P2 2007 Prince of Wales left and bought it, overall my experience of it has been very good, I really do like it and it has been my first experience of a OO gauge locomotive having a smoke/steam feature, another great thing about it is how hornby have managed to synchronise it with the sound, it’s also good that all you have to use is tap water which I have used and haven’t had any issues with up to now, some have said it might be better to use distilled water but personally I’m using tap water as that is how hornby have designed it, overall great video here Hilton, the Scotsman model looks great with the steam generator, keep up the great work.
Howdy David, thanks for sharing your experience on these. I must say the P2 with smoke looks dashing, I am quite jealous! I agree, the synchronised steam and sound is a marvel and puts a big smile on one’s face 🙂
Thanks for the review Hylton but a couple of comments that I have found with some usage. The plug for the water filer is problematic - it is hard to get off and will fly in all directions once it comes out - I have already lost mine on the layout - you need to be very careful with it. Secondly, the smoke unit will invariably stop working when water blocks the unit - you have to insert a cotton bud into the chimney to unblock the water before the steam starts again. Annoying, but not a big issue. Otherwise a lovely engine.
Howdy Neil, good points you make. Agreed, the plug is very small and frankly handling it with the fear of losing it is real. Ive not had an issue with the chimney blocking, but will keep an eye out for it, thanks for the guide!
I've been wondering when someone would produce a water based smoke unit. I would like to see the actual unit or even a drawing of it cause I have a hunch that they may have found a way to pretty much replicate a vape pen with how they can time the chuffs and how much of it comes out.
@@Proper_Chuffed Don't worry yourself too much about it. I'll see if I can't find a parts diagram or something somewhere online. I wouldn't want you to risk breaking it just for my sake.
As an O-Scale modeler I truly know how expensive this hobby can get and while I don’t collect ho I can already tell this is on the same level as Lionel legacy
I’d like one of those, bit out of my price bracket at the moment. But give it a year or two, I might get lucky like I have been with my sound fitted turbomotive and get it at a reasonable-ish price
I love Flying Scotsman too. I got mine on the week they came out before Hornby put the prices up. Its a wonderful model I've got 10 Scotsmans in various liveries and weathering now in 00 gauge, one is Tri-ang. And 1 in TT120
@Proper_Chuffed nrm one is apple green with smoke deflectors? Think I've watched your video about it if not I'm going too now. Most mine are from 70s till early 2000s. Apart from my smoke generator br green no deflectors and 1946/1947 lner apple green when she wore 103. I've got the double tender one that was released in 1993... which I wanted in 1993, but was not even a teenager back then, so it took me 30 years to get one.
@ indeed thats the one. Though I haven’t done a full video on it, just a mention in passing really. Wow you’ve really spent a lot of time collecting the various guises, that’s so impressive and makes your collection even more special to be honest.
Hi mate I hope you are well Yes analogue so the smoke generator is not my cup of tea But it a stunning model You now need dapol black label a4 to do a comparison. Seem to be an honest review Thank you for the sharing your models with us Keep safe ARP
Hi, very good review of a great train, I’ve had about 5 flying Scotsman locomotives over the years, I still have 2 in my collection, I do like the steam features the latest models have but I’m not a fan of the HM7000 system, regarding Hornby bashing I’m not sure you realise how many modellers Hornby have let down and abandoned over the years, you have been very lucky with them so far, over the years they given the hobby some great models but with no real backup and even less spares you will see how negative they can be once you have a real issue with one of their products, I don’t buy their locomotives anymore due to a situation a few years ago, hopefully this won’t happen to you and you have a great experience with them. This loco is an iconic piece of history that will be one of the greats, when Hornby up their game in the customer service department they will flourish as good company that care about their models and the modellers whom buy them, thanks for sharing.
Hey Stormmy, I totally hear you and admit I’ve not been bitten like others have so I understand what you’re saying, I have however seen others woes and totally understand the issues, I guess to a large part they’re also just the biggest name and have the widest spread of products so problems are more likely to exist. That being said, there’s always room for improvement, this does feel like a solid step in the right direction.
yeah thats the nicest oo/ho fs ever made as far as i can see. and an actual scale model because its ho. very nice. looks small against ho mk1s though i guess
Agreed. I looked at it, and saw the price and swiftly removed it from my mind 😂 also, it would be an odd fit with a OO collection, though I’m sure many an HO modeller could run it as a weekend special. If they can afford it! 😝
@@andrewyoung749the best model of flying Scotsman is the Precision Scale Models version of them done back in the early 90s in brass. Done to HO scale as well.
I've thought about getting one of these but as you point out they're not cheap although with both steam and sound you do get a fair amount for your money. However I've decided to wait until there's either an LNER apple green version or a Mallard with steam generator which I have no doubt will appear before too long.. The info on Hornby's website is limited so 'm hoping you or someone else can answer couple of questions: - I'm assuming it's not a good idea to leave them with any unused water still in it, so what's the best way to empty it? Keep it running until the water's used up? Use the pippette? - Is there any risk of damage if you let it run dry?
Hello 🙂 yes I agree, an apple green would be delightful, I’m certain we will slowly see Hornby working through the line of their major releases with this tech. I don’t think leaving water in is ideal, especially if you store the box at an angle. The best way to empty it I’ve found is too run it dry. I tried using a pipette but wasn’t able to extract anything. If you run it dry, there is no issue and I don’t believe it can damage the engine. Hope that helps 😎
What ever happened to the live steam Flying Scotsman....I am into Southern and GWR so I guess Hornby won't be doing a 'Merchant Navy' or a 'King' yet ???
Great video have a check on trs trains 😮 for the c same I think you wood I think you will find it’s a lot dearer I run oo gauge in the 😢 have a look Paul barnard Daws 😢Heath garden 😢 railway oogauge 😢. I run mostly hornby. Just check the 😢price on trs trains kind regards Paul
Hi Paul, thanks for the suggestion, I have looked into them in the past, but the reality is, sending a loco across to the UK and then having it sent back just isn’t worth the money in my opinion. But I greatly appreciate it.
Hello from Nova Scotia 😊 I have this new model and it's definitely very nice. Unfortunately my steam does not always work even with the trouble shooting. Still a nice model.
@Proper_Chuffed It take up to 15 mins before the smoke generator starts to work. Even after the CV settings that Hornby mentioned to change it will still plug itself up at the smoke stack. I'll give it a little dab with piece of paper towel then it's fine after that. Other than this I think it's a very epic model :) We are definitely different parts of the Planet for sure lol.
You cannot have too many Flying Scotsman as long as they have LNER on the Tender and 4472 on the cab sides. When anything is restored it should be the same as it was when first made. Martin. (Thailand)
So really we gotta put the boiler, cylinders, tender... all that back how it was when Flying Scotsman was made. An A1 she will be again. Back to her 100mph record setting configuration
Hi Martin. FS has a complicated history, and since it wasn't upgraded to A3 specification until 1947, it only ever carried its LNER 4472 logos as an A1, which means any A3 decorated as such resembles the loco in its heritage guise. The livery on this example is protypical from the early BR era.
It dose bother me tho that the bogie under the footplate dosent move, they did it on mallard do it moved as should, yet on scotsman thry just leave it fixed in place and use unflanged wheels, kinda ruens it for me, and at the price you pay, youd expect something as simple as that to be on a model
Also, trs trains do a waterbased smoke unit thats aftermarket fitted which is so much better and they been around longer, water based units have been around for years tho
Completely hear what you’re saying, an annoying little design choice that detracts from this model entirely. And to your other comment, indeed, TRS are masters at it, but this is a first for me in the RTR format. I appreciate your thoughts, thanks for watching 👌
The more manufacturers put in locomotives the less they'll sell,its close to being a rich mans hobby instead of being a hobby for all.We the model railway enthusiast have done and continue to cause damage to the hobby by requesting more and more,if this continues the hobby will die,Hornby alone will be no more.
@@Proper_Chuffed I think all this 'smoke' malarky looks cheap and tacky and it will make the models look like toys simply because it distracts from their appearance and detail whilst running. You know, the detail that everybody keeps demanding more and more of. I agree with Raggy. This kind of 'rich kids toys' is what's killing the hobby. There aren't many people left out there (who are genuinely interested in the hobby) who can afford £250 to £300+ per loco or £40 or £50+ per coach/wagon on a semi-regular basis, if at all in the current climate.
Hobbies like this at the same time are becoming more and more niche, only enthusiasts make up the bulk of this hobby and often they can see the benefits of an investment like this. While expensive is generally not great for sales volume, it's great for development, and where the few can afford this, in 10 years this may be the budget king in modelling. Positives and negatives, although since re-entering, Hornby in particular seems less transparent and things far more complicated than they used to be, to a length that buying a new controller from them is rather confusing with the options and pricing (failing to include a brick) ect
One thing I'm not a fan of with all hornby factory steam sound files is all have a 2-cylinder exhaust beat which is wrong in several cases including Flying Scotsman, Bulleid Pacifics, Duke of Gloucester and the Southern Lord Nelsons to name a few.
You are absolutely right and it’s something I’ve pointed out in the past, timing is really not ideal, here’s hoping we get an updated sound file in the future!
@@Proper_Chuffedwith hornby I've come to doubt it, I always source my sound decoders from the pros, typically Roads and Rails, I appreciate massively how pricey they are and that it'd be a pain to ship them all the way to you but ever since I started using their chips and amazing megabass speakers my diesels became that much more lively!
Oh so manufacturers have actually started using the humidifier method much like TRS Trains? Sweet. Hopefully we Americans finally get wise to this and realize the horrific damage the oil based ones cause to our models. I want to finally get out of the era of oil based smoke fluid and smoke units.
Hi Hilton I spoke to you about the class 156, I’ve got a real track model if you’d like to have for an exchange of some model work you might like to do?
I don't dislike FS. its a beautiful thing and personally think looks great I the br/deflector guise, looking more powerful/purposeful than in apple green. what i do object to is the transformation of the national railway museum into the national flying Scotsman museum. this isn't just 'cringe', although the obsessive 'It's fame fame fame famous' Kardashian-isation of the nrm definitely is, the nrm used to have several of its locos on the mainline notably 46229/60800/30777 but now its all Scotsman, and only Scotsman, all the time, forever...
Now that’s food for thought, good point Andrew and I can see where you are coming from, also, a LOT of money has gone into her whereas it could have been spent on other builds. Still she’s done wonders for UK steam, a bit of a grey hero.
Still got a Duchess on the mainline, for now, will need an overhaul but that'll come along and there will still be one of the class on the mainline. Green Arrow frankly is a bit of a series of unfortunate events as to why it was ever back in steam to begin with so that it was is somewhat of a bonus as it was originally intended to become a static exhibit anyway and had this not fallen through it would probably be one still like City of Birmingham is. It has some fairly serious issues anyway so best just leave it to look at for the time being but you never know what someone will do in the future. Sir Lamiel should, all going to plan, be back on the mainline in the next year so that one is still going to be around for a while. There's a P2 on the horizon, a Clan, a Patriot and B17, so the next decade or two will see plenty of variety and things most of us never dreamed of seeing on the mainline.
Why dont I like Flying Scotsman? I 've never owned one and don't want to. I have an A4 and love running it and wouldn't mind a few LNER A1/2/3's but not that one. So odd.
Wonderful realistic steam effect, but we only ever seem to see it on plain track on a wooden floor? Seems somewhat incongruous! Do these people not actually have a railway, strange!
Hello Alan, I am currently in the process of building my second layout, hope you understand. As I do so, I’m conducting a fair bit of testing while I go along. Thanks for watching
This is quite remarkable 😍! I recall having a Hornby Flying Scotsman many, many years ago as a boy in the 1970s ... running with its set of teak carriages I thought it was the bees knees, but just look at this! Next level, and incredible to see how the models have progressed across the decades. Thank you for another great video 👍🚂
Thank you Darryl, your kind words always mean a lot to me. We certainly have come a long way!
I picked up one of these models from a large UK retailer. I test ran it at my local Rail club. They (and I) loved it. The steam generator works in sync with the sound chip to produce amazing chuff sound with real steam! Running at a low speed you get a real chuff sound with a blast of steam. Great value for money.
Brilliant Sam, they are special models and very well put together, I must say it’s impressive and very clean tech. Glad you enjoy yours too.
My kids purchased this for my birthday,great bit of kit...love it.
What a great gift, glad you enjoy it too! 😊
I have this model and love it. I won a competition through hornby to have a morning with Flying Scotsman at Shildon. Definitely the best railway day I have ever done. Brilliant video.
That's so cool - did you win the loco or justthe day out ? - I entered that IIRC - was that day out a runner up prize? - nice one either way!
My Scotsman is an old Triang one with "Chuff-Chuff" tender. It needed a service, a few new brass bolts that had snapped and needed the threads gently spinning out with a tiny drill bit. The chuff-chuff mechanism is like the old stick in the spokes of your bike to try to get an engine noise, but I really like it.
That’s incredible! You are so so lucky, well done, and I see your profile picture was taken in the cab. You lucky chap! Memories to last a lifetime!
I won the flying Scotsman experience. It was the first time Hornby have ever done that as a prize. I got to oil the axle boxes on the drivers side and in the cab. I also got footplate rides before the rides opened to the public. It was definitely worth getting up at 4:30am to do.
Fantastic model. I am also glad to see Hornby is still doing innovative things.
Totally agree with that sentiment!
Great looking loco, love the steam generator, why can they not sort out the rear Pony Bogie,? put some flanges on it otherwise looks great
It’s so annoying! I completely agree with you.
10:08 He said the thing! The loco is a gorgeous example of what Hornby are capable of and that smoke unit is definitely something that should see more widespread use not just with Hornby and OO gauge, but all others too! Nicely done, mate!
I had to! Indeed it would make sense in O and even NG7 🤝
It's a huge leap forward, Hylton. The ability to sync the exhaust with the cylinder stroke / sound and the fact that flammable oil isn't involved are very welcome innovations.
FL is a magnificent ambassador for both the heritage railway industry and the railway modelling hobby.
And I agree with you regarding the purity of Gresley's A1/A3 stylish design. It's a great shame only 1 example has survived into preservation.
A very comprehensive review.
Thank you Stephen, I absolutely agree with your sentiments of FS being an ambassador, shes done wonders for preservation and kept blokes like me, on the other end of the planet, seriously invested in preservation.
Again, as always, thank you.
Ok I like to have a balanced view of locos but that really is a stunner of a loco. When hornby want to turn up that can really deliver.
Totally agree, they have their moments, and this does feel like one of them! 👍 thanks for watching Matt!
That's a class feature, waiting for it in N gauge but it might be a while! 🤣
You never know! Stranger things have happened!
@Proper_Chuffed I'd be well impressed!
As much as it pains me to compliment the Flying Teapot.... Hornby have done good with this one. The smoke generator is a class bit of innovation and can't wait to see more model *Cough* Castle *Cough* coming out in the future!
Great vid as always Hylt! - James
Oh you… 😉 I’m sure we will see some GWR locos with it soon, a Castle or King would be magical. Thanks James
The trouble is that water vapour doesn't scale (nor does flowing water). So you get wisps, not clouds.
Agreed. Though it’s much cleaner than classic oil steam in my opinion.
Find all the buzz about these new smoke units interesting, as locomotives with puffing smoke have been around since 1946 in my own neck of the woods with 3 rail O gauge here in the states. The fancier units that sync to the sound and motion have been commonplace for over a decade.
I will say it's neat these new ones use water instead of oil, maybe as they become more common retrofitting kits might become available to put in older locomotives.
I hear you - there’s been some great tech around for a while, but this one is certainly very special given its RTR with water, I think that’s pretty neat!
Great review Hylton, a nicely detailed model and that steam generator looks to be a winning option.
Thank you my friend, it’s a bit pricey, but worth it in my opinion! 😎
This looks amazing, I have a Black 5 with steam generator pre ordered from Rails of Sheffield. Despite the criticisms the first release of models had. I pray that it performs just as good as this when it arrives.
I sure hope it will be good, I am jealous of your order! 😝 I doubt you will be disappointed
Great video as always. Love the length of review. Detailed but straight to the point.
Totally agree around Hornby sometimes they make it easy to bash them but when they get it right they are hard to beat.
The matt smoke box is great and I look forward seeing this become more standard. I’m waiting for the black five with steam and sound to come out for my first experience of this new tech alongside Earl Marishal with the double deflectors.
The black is getting slightly smaller lamps based on viewing it at the NEC.
Thanks mate, I’m glad you enjoy them, sometimes I wonder if a waffle on a bit? 😜
Which black 5 will you be getting? I won’t deny, I do have Earl on order with the extra deflectors too, I feel like that’s the ultimate P2 😎
hell yeah finally a smoke generator that doesnt get the room smelling like chemicals
Honestly, it’s a very refreshing and sensible approach. I really like it. And it leaves the tracks and scenery clean 😌
@@Proper_Chuffed i can see that i really want the live steam hush hush that is coming
@@Proper_Chuffed Yes the idea of breathing in oil smoke and having it deposited over my layout has never appealed, but these are nice and clean and won't damage your health or layout. No melted parts either.
That is so cool, Very realistic and runs really well impressed , wish there more engines like this
I have no doubt we will see more soon!
A really nicely finished looking loco Mc Hylton..all the attributes of a Scotsman a heavy smoker and water for the whiskey.
The very first loco I got as a kid……back in the day!!
Still love it …..it’s way ahead of my original…..it’s going to look great pulling your distillery tours train.🏴🏴
😝 McDavid, my good man, I love the connection, she’s got Caledonian blood she does. Do you still have your original FS? Imagine the famous flying Scotsman relegated to whisky train duty 😂 cheers my friend
I think there’s a bit of Mc’y taking going on here….
Yes,I still have it,the Triang Hornby incarnation….it actually does have a glowing firebox…at that time ,something wonderful….still running quite well,not a patch on your beauty all the same .
I was thinking more possibly a Royal Scot tour ,rather than the ‘ Broons ‘ on a day oot!..
Keep up the great content Mc Hylton your doing us proud..🏴🏴
I might ask the Clan Chief if she,ll consider one for my Christmas..🤞
@@David-cq2mz indeed a lot of Mc’erry going on here, I couldn’t help it 🤷♂️ for the time, a glowing firebox is pretty special. Even the chuffing noise generator on the old tri-angs holds up quite well!
I think you definitely need to ask the chief if it could be under the tree, you won’t be disappointed, but check out the new P2 with extra smoke deflectors, that’s coming too very soon! 😳
Was done donkeys years ago
Literally 50 years or more they used few drops steam oil down the chimney .
But must admit that is good and as you say no nasty oils
But now the hobby is out of reach of children unlike when I was a child in the 1960s.
Used to spend hours at my local toy shop admiring the latest models.
@@Paul-pb3vq hi Paul, yes as I mentioned it’s not new, but it’s the first time I’ve seen water used instead of oil in a RTR model 👍
There was a company installing water steam units in OO steam locomotives a couple of years before Hornby. I almost think it was something like TRS? Last I heard they were working on adding exhaust from the valves too.
Yes indeed you’re quite right Richard. They do outstanding work with their installations 👍 I would love to get some models TRS fitted.
@Proper_Chuffed Me too! And I'm from the other side of the pond.
Hats off to Hornby especially for the water only steam generator. The other steam units used oil as you pointed out and you could set off a smoke detector on startup and if they went awry. The Flying Scotsman with its classical look and 4-6-2 configuration has only one contender for most famous and that is the Big Boy but that's here in the States. Great review and demo, Jersey Bill
Indeed JB, I much prefer this water method, less mess over time and very pleasant to run too. Haha I thought you might mention Big Boy, agreed, equally famous.
Hornby own Rivarossi so maybe you'll get a similar Big Boy at some point
There are a good number of Big Boy models available on the market here in the states but the ones that do have smoke units, which I think is only the one from Broadway Limited Imports, uses an oil based unit that I have heard is very fickle and problematic as well as prone to damaging or even melting the plastic around the smoke stack. Offering a more reliable water based unit would definitely be a selling point for someone that doesn't want to deal with the temperamental smoke unit in the Broadway model.
@@scottyounger7948 I agree whole heartedly.
Seems like one of Hornbys best model. Next let's see diesels with exhaust.
@@keithshayle7027 absolutely! Please!
Great review, I’m waiting for the black 5 to try it for myself, but happy there’s a lot of positives with it, the oils have put me off trying the current generators, not sure why anyone would like the plug socket tender connections, I can’t think of a single redeeming feature for those
Thank you Luke. I agree, I hate the plug system, it’s very delicate and I have a nervous breakdown every time I need to disconnect the tender! 🙃
I love the direction that Hornby is going now I really want that locomotive
I’m glad you are excited for the future of them! I agree, it’s rather exciting! Thank you for watching
Great video on this one here Hilton, I bought the P2 Prince of Wales earlier this year with the steam generator, originally I wasn’t going to get one but after seeing the Scotsman on someone else’s layout I had a look to see if there was any of the P2s left as I already have a couple of flying Scotsman’s and luckily managed to find a place that had one P2 2007 Prince of Wales left and bought it, overall my experience of it has been very good, I really do like it and it has been my first experience of a OO gauge locomotive having a smoke/steam feature, another great thing about it is how hornby have managed to synchronise it with the sound, it’s also good that all you have to use is tap water which I have used and haven’t had any issues with up to now, some have said it might be better to use distilled water but personally I’m using tap water as that is how hornby have designed it, overall great video here Hilton, the Scotsman model looks great with the steam generator, keep up the great work.
Howdy David, thanks for sharing your experience on these. I must say the P2 with smoke looks dashing, I am quite jealous! I agree, the synchronised steam and sound is a marvel and puts a big smile on one’s face 🙂
Tomy made a battery powered Thomas toy with this same steam generation system. It was my favorite toy when I was a kid!
@@MatecaCorp that’s delightful 🙌 so the tech isn’t exactly new then…
@ Not quite new, but still as cool as when I first saw it!
Thanks for the review Hylton but a couple of comments that I have found with some usage. The plug for the water filer is problematic - it is hard to get off and will fly in all directions once it comes out - I have already lost mine on the layout - you need to be very careful with it. Secondly, the smoke unit will invariably stop working when water blocks the unit - you have to insert a cotton bud into the chimney to unblock the water before the steam starts again. Annoying, but not a big issue. Otherwise a lovely engine.
Howdy Neil, good points you make. Agreed, the plug is very small and frankly handling it with the fear of losing it is real. Ive not had an issue with the chimney blocking, but will keep an eye out for it, thanks for the guide!
So it’s basically a diffuser. That is freaking awesome!!
In essence, yes. 🙌 PS the fact that we never found out what happened to Sev still annoys me.
@ Oh he’s alive and well, trust me. 😉
@@ShootFirstSev you know something… 😉
@ The Clone Wars may be over, but there’s a lot of evil still to be fought in the galaxy, if you know what I mean 😉
I've been wondering when someone would produce a water based smoke unit. I would like to see the actual unit or even a drawing of it cause I have a hunch that they may have found a way to pretty much replicate a vape pen with how they can time the chuffs and how much of it comes out.
Agreed with you Scott, I may just follow up with a breakdown of the model. Although I suspect Hornby have probably locked it up cleverly.
@@Proper_Chuffed Don't worry yourself too much about it. I'll see if I can't find a parts diagram or something somewhere online. I wouldn't want you to risk breaking it just for my sake.
As an O-Scale modeler I truly know how expensive this hobby can get and while I don’t collect ho I can already tell this is on the same level as Lionel legacy
The same level in the sense of pricing?
if they do a LNER Apple Green version I'd get one......
Absolutely!
I’d like one of those, bit out of my price bracket at the moment. But give it a year or two, I might get lucky like I have been with my sound fitted turbomotive and get it at a reasonable-ish price
I suspect we will see them discounted at some point, as the price point is quite high!
I love Flying Scotsman too. I got mine on the week they came out before Hornby put the prices up. Its a wonderful model
I've got 10 Scotsmans in various liveries and weathering now in 00 gauge, one is Tri-ang. And 1 in TT120
Hello! I’m glad you’re happy with yours too! Wow 10 versions!! I thought I was bad 😜 very nice mate
@@Proper_Chuffed I'm not done either. Still need wartime black and br experimental blue. See what's in hornbys 2025 catalogue soon.
I have her in Wartime Black, and NRM Green. I am yet to do express blue. Let me know how you get on mate.
@Proper_Chuffed nrm one is apple green with smoke deflectors? Think I've watched your video about it if not I'm going too now.
Most mine are from 70s till early 2000s. Apart from my smoke generator br green no deflectors and 1946/1947 lner apple green when she wore 103. I've got the double tender one that was released in 1993... which I wanted in 1993, but was not even a teenager back then, so it took me 30 years to get one.
@ indeed thats the one. Though I haven’t done a full video on it, just a mention in passing really.
Wow you’ve really spent a lot of time collecting the various guises, that’s so impressive and makes your collection even more special to be honest.
Hi mate
I hope you are well
Yes analogue so the smoke generator is not my cup of tea
But it a stunning model
You now need dapol black label a4 to do a comparison.
Seem to be an honest review
Thank you for the sharing your models with us
Keep safe ARP
Hi Adi, appreciate you popping in, was just watching your latest video! I definitely would like the Dapol Black Label, but that price is… scary! 😦
Hi, very good review of a great train, I’ve had about 5 flying Scotsman locomotives over the years, I still have 2 in my collection, I do like the steam features the latest models have but I’m not a fan of the HM7000 system, regarding Hornby bashing I’m not sure you realise how many modellers Hornby have let down and abandoned over the years, you have been very lucky with them so far, over the years they given the hobby some great models but with no real backup and even less spares you will see how negative they can be once you have a real issue with one of their products, I don’t buy their locomotives anymore due to a situation a few years ago, hopefully this won’t happen to you and you have a great experience with them. This loco is an iconic piece of history that will be one of the greats, when Hornby up their game in the customer service department they will flourish as good company that care about their models and the modellers whom buy them, thanks for sharing.
Hey Stormmy, I totally hear you and admit I’ve not been bitten like others have so I understand what you’re saying, I have however seen others woes and totally understand the issues, I guess to a large part they’re also just the biggest name and have the widest spread of products so problems are more likely to exist. That being said, there’s always room for improvement, this does feel like a solid step in the right direction.
If it didn't cost half a thousand dollars, I'd love to even consider seeing what Marklin's HO Flying Scotsman model has to offer too
yeah thats the nicest oo/ho fs ever made as far as i can see. and an actual scale model because its ho. very nice. looks small against ho mk1s though i guess
Agreed. I looked at it, and saw the price and swiftly removed it from my mind 😂 also, it would be an odd fit with a OO collection, though I’m sure many an HO modeller could run it as a weekend special. If they can afford it! 😝
@@andrewyoung749the best model of flying Scotsman is the Precision Scale Models version of them done back in the early 90s in brass. Done to HO scale as well.
I thought it cost 500 dollars?
great model but in this late livery should it have a double chimney?
To my knowledge this was her guise from 1947, early after she was repainted and numbered as 60103
I've thought about getting one of these but as you point out they're not cheap although with both steam and sound you do get a fair amount for your money. However I've decided to wait until there's either an LNER apple green version or a Mallard with steam generator which I have no doubt will appear before too long..
The info on Hornby's website is limited so 'm hoping you or someone else can answer couple of questions:
- I'm assuming it's not a good idea to leave them with any unused water still in it, so what's the best way to empty it? Keep it running until the water's used up? Use the pippette?
- Is there any risk of damage if you let it run dry?
Hello 🙂 yes I agree, an apple green would be delightful, I’m certain we will slowly see Hornby working through the line of their major releases with this tech.
I don’t think leaving water in is ideal, especially if you store the box at an angle. The best way to empty it I’ve found is too run it dry. I tried using a pipette but wasn’t able to extract anything. If you run it dry, there is no issue and I don’t believe it can damage the engine. Hope that helps 😎
What Hornby should put that steam generator in a tank engine like a j50 for something along those lines or even a peckett
That would be really cool, I wonder if it would fit?
What ever happened to the live steam Flying Scotsman....I am into Southern and GWR so I guess Hornby won't be doing a 'Merchant Navy' or a 'King' yet ???
I suspect we will get these in very soon. I just have a nagging suspicion 😉
I can't wait to see GWR King with steam.
I completely agree. That would be amazing. All the big 4 need at least one of these.
Now that looks a nice model 👍
Some would say… DECENT.
@ yeah it does look decent, hope it’s the V2 😉
@ 😂 hope it doesn’t suddenly slow down and die either…
Hopefully the price will come down on these smoke generator equipped engines
Yeah. My strategy is to wait, but this means you have to deal with FOMO.
I hope so too, as it's such great tech!
I should try this when I try recording my own Thomas episode someday.
Do it! That would be grand!
have you seen the Trix ho scale version of the Scotsman? Beautiful loco. $600.00 US
It's stunning, but as you say, way out of my price range! Yikes!
I had thought about a steam generator fitted to Dinmore Manor, may be I should.
I absolutely think you should, with TRS?
could the moisture from the water potentially degrade card kits?
I don’t think so, I doubt there is enough moisture to cause any damage if I’m honest.
Great video have a check on trs trains 😮 for the c same I think you wood I think you will find it’s a lot dearer I run oo gauge in the 😢 have a look Paul barnard Daws 😢Heath garden 😢 railway oogauge 😢. I run mostly hornby. Just check the 😢price on trs trains kind regards Paul
Hi Paul, thanks for the suggestion, I have looked into them in the past, but the reality is, sending a loco across to the UK and then having it sent back just isn’t worth the money in my opinion. But I greatly appreciate it.
Hello from Nova Scotia 😊 I have this new model and it's definitely very nice. Unfortunately my steam does not always work even with the trouble shooting. Still a nice model.
Hello Matthew, greetings from South Africa, quite literally on other ends of the world! What seems to be the issue with yours?
@Proper_Chuffed It take up to 15 mins before the smoke generator starts to work. Even after the CV settings that Hornby mentioned to change it will still plug itself up at the smoke stack. I'll give it a little dab with piece of paper towel then it's fine after that. Other than this I think it's a very epic model :) We are definitely different parts of the Planet for sure lol.
@ interesting, I’m surprised to hear it too so long to start up honestly. How bizarre.
@@Proper_Chuffed There could be a CV settings that can help. I'm definitely going to look into it. :) 🙂
@ good luck Matt, I hope you come right!
the lack of exhaust has always put me off DCC sound steam locos, he generator looks like it adds so much
I agree, it adds another level of immersion, if I could buy the generator separately to fit, I would in a heartbeat!
You cannot have too many Flying Scotsman as long as they have LNER on the Tender and 4472 on the cab sides. When anything is restored it should be the same as it was when first made. Martin. (Thailand)
Haha yes, I know how you feel about her various guises Martin. Agreed, she looks smashing in Apple Green.
So really we gotta put the boiler, cylinders, tender... all that back how it was when Flying Scotsman was made. An A1 she will be again. Back to her 100mph record setting configuration
Hi Martin. FS has a complicated history, and since it wasn't upgraded to A3 specification until 1947, it only ever carried its LNER 4472 logos as an A1, which means any A3 decorated as such resembles the loco in its heritage guise. The livery on this example is protypical from the early BR era.
It dose bother me tho that the bogie under the footplate dosent move, they did it on mallard do it moved as should, yet on scotsman thry just leave it fixed in place and use unflanged wheels, kinda ruens it for me, and at the price you pay, youd expect something as simple as that to be on a model
Also, trs trains do a waterbased smoke unit thats aftermarket fitted which is so much better and they been around longer, water based units have been around for years tho
Completely hear what you’re saying, an annoying little design choice that detracts from this model entirely. And to your other comment, indeed, TRS are masters at it, but this is a first for me in the RTR format. I appreciate your thoughts, thanks for watching 👌
3ml or 3cl (cc) of water?!
3ml. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.
The more manufacturers put in locomotives the less they'll sell,its close to being a rich mans hobby instead of being a hobby for all.We the model railway enthusiast have done and continue to cause damage to the hobby by requesting more and more,if this continues the hobby will die,Hornby alone will be no more.
You make a good point, let’s hope things can be at a balance, it’s not the kind of hobby that can survive as a truly ‘rich’ consumers one
@@Proper_Chuffed I think all this 'smoke' malarky looks cheap and tacky and it will make the models look like toys simply because it distracts from their appearance and detail whilst running. You know, the detail that everybody keeps demanding more and more of. I agree with Raggy. This kind of 'rich kids toys' is what's killing the hobby. There aren't many people left out there (who are genuinely interested in the hobby) who can afford £250 to £300+ per loco or £40 or £50+ per coach/wagon on a semi-regular basis, if at all in the current climate.
Hobbies like this at the same time are becoming more and more niche, only enthusiasts make up the bulk of this hobby and often they can see the benefits of an investment like this.
While expensive is generally not great for sales volume, it's great for development, and where the few can afford this, in 10 years this may be the budget king in modelling.
Positives and negatives, although since re-entering, Hornby in particular seems less transparent and things far more complicated than they used to be, to a length that buying a new controller from them is rather confusing with the options and pricing (failing to include a brick) ect
Hornby didn't come up with it. It was done by a man in the south of England and you can get for other engines and fit it your self
Hey Stuart, I hear you, I did mention that this wasn’t a brand new idea, only that it’s the first time I’ve seen in from factory in RTR format. 😊
One thing I'm not a fan of with all hornby factory steam sound files is all have a 2-cylinder exhaust beat which is wrong in several cases including Flying Scotsman, Bulleid Pacifics, Duke of Gloucester and the Southern Lord Nelsons to name a few.
You are absolutely right and it’s something I’ve pointed out in the past, timing is really not ideal, here’s hoping we get an updated sound file in the future!
@@Proper_Chuffedwith hornby I've come to doubt it, I always source my sound decoders from the pros, typically Roads and Rails, I appreciate massively how pricey they are and that it'd be a pain to ship them all the way to you but ever since I started using their chips and amazing megabass speakers my diesels became that much more lively!
Oh so manufacturers have actually started using the humidifier method much like TRS Trains? Sweet. Hopefully we Americans finally get wise to this and realize the horrific damage the oil based ones cause to our models. I want to finally get out of the era of oil based smoke fluid and smoke units.
It seems so, here’s hoping it’s tech that becomes a bit more widely available in all markets ASAP! It’s bloody good fun!
Hi Hilton I spoke to you about the class 156, I’ve got a real track model if you’d like to have for an exchange of some model work you might like to do?
I’ll pay the postage from Australia
@@paulwilliams3710 hello Paul, WOW! that is an offer and a half! Drop me an email, if you don’t mind, properchuffedrailways@gmail.com and let’s chat 😎
@@Proper_Chuffed done
I don't dislike FS. its a beautiful thing and personally think looks great I the br/deflector guise, looking more powerful/purposeful than in apple green.
what i do object to is the transformation of the national railway museum into the national flying Scotsman museum.
this isn't just 'cringe', although the obsessive 'It's fame fame fame famous' Kardashian-isation of the nrm definitely is, the nrm used to have several of its locos on the mainline notably 46229/60800/30777 but now its all Scotsman, and only Scotsman, all the time, forever...
Now that’s food for thought, good point Andrew and I can see where you are coming from, also, a LOT of money has gone into her whereas it could have been spent on other builds. Still she’s done wonders for UK steam, a bit of a grey hero.
Still got a Duchess on the mainline, for now, will need an overhaul but that'll come along and there will still be one of the class on the mainline. Green Arrow frankly is a bit of a series of unfortunate events as to why it was ever back in steam to begin with so that it was is somewhat of a bonus as it was originally intended to become a static exhibit anyway and had this not fallen through it would probably be one still like City of Birmingham is. It has some fairly serious issues anyway so best just leave it to look at for the time being but you never know what someone will do in the future. Sir Lamiel should, all going to plan, be back on the mainline in the next year so that one is still going to be around for a while.
There's a P2 on the horizon, a Clan, a Patriot and B17, so the next decade or two will see plenty of variety and things most of us never dreamed of seeing on the mainline.
There are many NRM locos on loan to heritage railways. Many yeras ago, I drove the Robinson O4 that's on loan to the Great Central Railway.
Why dont I like Flying Scotsman?
I 've never owned one and don't want to.
I have an A4 and love running it and wouldn't mind a few LNER A1/2/3's but not that one.
So odd.
That’s odd indeed Chris 😅 but I guess it’s just not your thing 🤷♂️
Wonderful realistic steam effect, but we only ever seem to see it on plain track on a wooden floor? Seems somewhat incongruous! Do these people not actually have a railway, strange!
Hello Alan, I am currently in the process of building my second layout, hope you understand. As I do so, I’m conducting a fair bit of testing while I go along. Thanks for watching
The trailing truck is so wrong - for such an expensive model it is a lazy solution and looks too toy like
@@mt14l do you mean the tender? I’m a bit confused by what you mean? 🤔
Idiotic prices..no thanks
Totally get your feeling about that. It is pricey!