In general Territorial Control seems to: 1. have less constant action than the other gamemodes, but have more discrete, and intense firefights at important moments/places. 2. much more incentive to stay alive, and as a result, maneuver around the map instead of just constantly respawning. There’s definitely still a lot for me to learn to play it better. What do you guys think of the gamemode?
For sure - the 7th has developed a strategy of keeping fireteams together and using them as mini-squads for more flexibility. The incentive to stay concentrated for when the firefights happen is definitely there!
I never knew until this video that I am a reload overhaul chad.. That sounds amazing. Imagine the fumbling of reloading while stuck in a trench suppressed. Great video
You hate squads recoil and sway and you hate the whole game until you witness 2 heli dropout on enemy’s CP following by artillery support, as you storm the house you hear radio chatters, screaming in local voicechat that gets indistinguishable when the enemy’s MG starts to suppress you… then you understand - its built different Ofc you can be the first guy to die and miss all the fun, but oh boi i’ve seen so much hollywood moments and fall in love instantly. One of the craziest moment ive seen is when some rando was spamming localchat with a phonk and didnt react when we asked to stop it. The SL made to stop both supply trucks, commanded to left the vehicles and form a line. After 10s of pure swearing he made a public execution of the guy. I was a medic and he ordered not to revive him. It was hilarious af Another good thing is that im russian and i play on moscow servers. There are many Ukrainian people on the server and its good to see how there is no hate, no political discussion and etc. Everyone knows why snd what is happening and understands that the other guy is a man just like, just was born in a different country.
i played my first round of this the other night and was so taken aback by how nice it felt. it lets you get into the active zone really quick while also incentivizing slowing down once you get there. that ebb and flow is something severely missing in the other modes
"That could be fixed by OWI being a little more creative with new layers" - this is my biggest gripe with the development team and their priorities. New layers are always extremely poorly thought out: there are day-one bugs (spawn glitches), those get fixed, and then community feedback goes out the window. If they actually spent time on the meta-gameplay, many of the complaints of faction balance, etc. would go away. Wish they would revamp the TC layers too, I'm a long time fan of TC but the layers have stayed the same for many years now and... yeah, if you've played this game for longer than a year, you realize how badly they need to refresh layer design.
They’ve been changing up their process with the new Sanxian Island map, so hopefully they’ll devote the same kind of effort towards new layers on the maps they so painstakingly create.
@@HaebyungDance "Changing up process" is a signifier in software for "management is on some shit again and nothing will get done for a while" (source: I work in software). Two months later, I've stopped playing Squad (after >3000 hours) - the time of teamplay that's available on servers now compared to three years ago just makes the game frustrating. Now more than ever, blueberry squads want to go larp in the woods rather than play the FPS-RTS that used to have a thriving competitive community.
@@Merc-FPS Manic (the old dam map) wouldn't have been so bad if they actually spent time on layer design. Instead, they replaced the map and the layers are just as bad on the new one, which churns through developer-hours for no good reason.
Yeah I have really been enjoying TC, especially when the teamwork comes together with fireteams sticking together and command chat being active. It can be painful if neither of those are present though.
I think the server pop would need to be somehow increased to 150 or 200 for this mode to feel right. I call it "territory whack-a-mole" . About as chaotic as one of those cash-grab cages that they shut people in and you try to grab up all the dollar bills flying all around you, except the dollar bills are hexagons on a map. In other game modes, it can become very unfun if no one communicates, but this mode by far suffers the worst, because it is absolutely imperative that you know what other squads are doing. When a front starts collapsing, 9/10 times it's a quick end and on to the next round.
It might be hard to coordinate so many guys but I see your point. I think having limited resources to cover large areas is what makes things interesting.
RELOAD OVERHAUL! Reloading should take a page from gears of war and other more tactical shooters. You have a mini-mini game to play there. 1 quick tap of R reloads your gun and retains your current magazine with a total time of about 3-4 seconds depending on the gun. 2 taps of R will drop your current mag and replace the mag giving you 2-3 seconds total reload time depending on the gun. 2 taps of R and one later well timed tap of R will drop the current mag and perform a skilled reload to give you a total reload time of 1-2 seconds depending on the gun. Mis-timing will result in a whiff and you will get the longer reload time as a penalty.
territory control was the best and honestly playing it like invasion would be cool. like you have to push the enemy team back and gain control but its more coordinated and strategy drivin
Id say its pretty good at giving you a more “real” feeling with the screen tunnel vision and supression. Im sorry, but they have to do something because theres no fear of death in a video game, and you wont be making perfectly lined up shots when you hear rounds zipping by. I credit squad for this, no other game has done this in such an impactful way.
When I start asking people that complain the ICO is unrealistic, "What is it they find unrealistic?" It always comes back to "I think it should be this way" Not I have shot a gun before and understand its really hard to stay steady aim down sights standing freehand, Or it's very tiring to hold a 10lbs rifle out in front of you while controlling recoil. Not even talking about sprinting with a combat load out and then shooting. A quick google search shows that's between 68-120lbs for the US army. It seem people have been condition by games like CS and CoD that you should be able to just head shot everyone. Every is a tier 1 super solider. Some people get it, others are sad they can't 1v3 and win.
A lot of people think like that, while running jumping diving sliding fuckin doing anything other than what would NATURALLY happen, which is, slowly moving forward in a steady, normal pace, so that when you need to aim, you CAN ACTUALLY shoulder your rifle properly. People think they can do all of these actions without thinking of the consequences. THAT SAID, i DO think ICO needs a lot of work on CQB aiming, esp with long range optic rifles. The fact you cant see or shoot properly (NOT accurately, but properly) is absolutely horrible a feeling, esp when youve been looking at an enemy for 3 seconds without being able to AT LEAST see him.
I get all of that and overall I’m happy with the ICO, but I think some mechanics specifically need to be tuned down a bit because they just aren’t fun. Movement speed and suppression alone are doing the bulk of the work of forcing fire and move gameplay. These are fine. But the weapon sway and sight misalignment things are a bit excessive. I think they should tone the intensity of both down by 25%.
I agree wholeheartedly. I will say tho, that "Realism" as a conversation around video games is, in polite terms, moot, in less polite terms, a stupid conversation I keep having to have over and over again. Realism gets *in the way* of fun. The Division had "realism" in the form of only 1 person being able to talk to an NPC at a time, so everyone had to wait in line. Boy howdy, what an incredibly real and intensely boring experience. Squad is a game with points and a score. That enough should dispel any conversation about how "real" it is, that is, the level to which it is real. What *is* a very interesting conversation, and one I think you've started, is what aspects of the real are developers including, and how are they including them. In this case, it's to emulate the basic movements of modern infantry squads, aka fire and maneuver, and the way that real-world phenomena are included and which ones they include, is to serve this purpose. The problem with shooters without a "suppression" mechanic, is that people don't act like they would in a real firefight because they won't actually die or get hurt. It is impossible to make that real (legally, I guess), so our starting point is already abstracted from reality. Why would I ever hide behind a corner and wait for you to stop shooting, when I can just turn that corner, take 5-6 bullets (feeling nothing), and drive a hot one between your eyes and win? You gotta make choices when you're making something. The ICO was a bold choice, and one that made the game, not more real, but more *itself*.
TC is okay, but often feels too short to really set battle lines and too few tickets. It would be nice if it was more prevalent so people learned to play it because usually you end up running from hex to hex back and forth. That said, during the last ICO play test we did a Sumari TC that was probably my most fun round of Squad ever. My squad made a hasty firebase in Police and held out there, occasionally sending out patrols to nearby enemy hexes to find their positions. Crazy fun.
Whenever people complain about Weapons Sway/Accuracy by citing videos on youtube of people running while shooting, I nearly always get irritated. People forget that youre carrying a lot of weight and that Squads Battles would (realistically) be in a broader war, meaning your soldier won't be as rested as some guys on youtube that have no heavy gear on and had good sleep etc. I never see people complaining about being able to climb high walls in squad, unless theyre trying to justify pre ICO 'unrealistic' gun handling. Also TC seems so based. Ill probs look into it.
Love the work as always. One thing I noticed is you not calling out contact to buddies when a mfjumps out in front of you. Is there deliberate reasoning or just your preference? I personally report any movement I see as I often take fire before i can identify it and want as much help addressing it as soon as practical. I generally appreciate it greatly when friendlies call out movement or potential contact.
Yeah so generally if we’re not in contact and I spot an enemy I’ll call it out -> then engage. But if we’re already deep in a fight I’ll prioritize engaging enemies before talking. During that fight in Hex 00 though I thought I was the only one holding that angle and had a sense of isolation. If someone was next to me I could’ve communicated in local better but I felt that it wouldn’t have been helpful in the squad-wide channel. It was just my thinking in the moment - it’s always better to communicate effectively.
TC is the best game mode. I keep trying to convince people but it's a losing battle. SZ had a few TC layers in the rotation, but then switched to map voting so there's never TC because pub players are so fuckin basic.
It depends on what community you join, and how much you want to dedicate time to a community. An Arma milsim group will probably have the greatest focus on teamwork and tactics but will be a lot more of a rigid experience. A Squad clan will probably be a lot more freeform, and the game itself is pre-structured so you don’t worry about making events.
discord.gg/7thrangers For the servers just type “7th” in the search bar in game and you’ll see them. We seed one at around 12:30-1pm EST everyday, and a second server at around 4:30pm.
Im sorry but uuuh....most of my AI ops in arma are generally more challenging than the "bots" (players) i see in squad.... But yeah TC is a mixed bag for me. Either it ends up being awesome, or, like most of the time due to people not knowing their stuff, ends up a boring snorefest. But i think its more due to peoples lack of knowledge than complexity. It would be awesome to have something like karmakuts dynamic direction. But we can dream....
@@HaebyungDance No, i literally mean the AI in arma, when properly setup, are more challenging than the average-to-good players in squad. Players in squad just spawn-shoot-die, rinse and repeat. The bots was a euphemism!
@@HaebyungDance Ah right. DD, to put it simply, puts down a big AO, that works as a king of the hill type of scenario where if 1 team is winning the cap, the other is drained of tickets. Its more sandboxy an approach, its more interesting cuz more obscure areas of the map are used, and theres different mechanics (from fob to units, like 1 fob allowed etc) to make it interesting. Long story short, its what i consider the most interesting gameplay premise, that squad would need desperately rn.
In general Territorial Control seems to: 1. have less constant action than the other gamemodes, but have more discrete, and intense firefights at important moments/places. 2. much more incentive to stay alive, and as a result, maneuver around the map instead of just constantly respawning.
There’s definitely still a lot for me to learn to play it better. What do you guys think of the gamemode?
Love it! Forces the squad to stay as one lest they lose the sector.
For sure - the 7th has developed a strategy of keeping fireteams together and using them as mini-squads for more flexibility. The incentive to stay concentrated for when the firefights happen is definitely there!
Wish it was played more, its paradoxal how nobody know how to play it so it's never played
If there's a hab inside a hex enemies can't capture it without taking the radio down
I recently learned this! It’s a really interesting mechanic
I never knew until this video that I am a reload overhaul chad.. That sounds amazing. Imagine the fumbling of reloading while stuck in a trench suppressed.
Great video
Thanks!
More TC = more good squad.
I love this game mode. I actively seek it.
You hate squads recoil and sway and you hate the whole game until you witness 2 heli dropout on enemy’s CP following by artillery support, as you storm the house you hear radio chatters, screaming in local voicechat that gets indistinguishable when the enemy’s MG starts to suppress you… then you understand - its built different
Ofc you can be the first guy to die and miss all the fun, but oh boi i’ve seen so much hollywood moments and fall in love instantly. One of the craziest moment ive seen is when some rando was spamming localchat with a phonk and didnt react when we asked to stop it. The SL made to stop both supply trucks, commanded to left the vehicles and form a line. After 10s of pure swearing he made a public execution of the guy. I was a medic and he ordered not to revive him. It was hilarious af
Another good thing is that im russian and i play on moscow servers. There are many Ukrainian people on the server and its good to see how there is no hate, no political discussion and etc. Everyone knows why snd what is happening and understands that the other guy is a man just like, just was born in a different country.
i find that to be nice, wish we didnt have to fight. maybe its not the people but the politics that ruin it for everyone..
That story is fucking hilarious
i played my first round of this the other night and was so taken aback by how nice it felt. it lets you get into the active zone really quick while also incentivizing slowing down once you get there. that ebb and flow is something severely missing in the other modes
Yes! The ebb and flow is precisely what makes it feel good.
@@HaebyungDance its been my favorite gamemode ever since i started playing but nobody ever plays it
"That could be fixed by OWI being a little more creative with new layers" - this is my biggest gripe with the development team and their priorities. New layers are always extremely poorly thought out: there are day-one bugs (spawn glitches), those get fixed, and then community feedback goes out the window. If they actually spent time on the meta-gameplay, many of the complaints of faction balance, etc. would go away. Wish they would revamp the TC layers too, I'm a long time fan of TC but the layers have stayed the same for many years now and... yeah, if you've played this game for longer than a year, you realize how badly they need to refresh layer design.
They’ve been changing up their process with the new Sanxian Island map, so hopefully they’ll devote the same kind of effort towards new layers on the maps they so painstakingly create.
this! omg please get rid of old bad maps like they did with the dam one. idk the name sorry
@@HaebyungDance "Changing up process" is a signifier in software for "management is on some shit again and nothing will get done for a while" (source: I work in software). Two months later, I've stopped playing Squad (after >3000 hours) - the time of teamplay that's available on servers now compared to three years ago just makes the game frustrating. Now more than ever, blueberry squads want to go larp in the woods rather than play the FPS-RTS that used to have a thriving competitive community.
@@Merc-FPS Manic (the old dam map) wouldn't have been so bad if they actually spent time on layer design. Instead, they replaced the map and the layers are just as bad on the new one, which churns through developer-hours for no good reason.
TC has the best firefights in the most random places. ICO definitely made it better.
When things fall into place, oh yeah it’s amazing
Imo TC is way better the invasion, and maybe even RAAS, i love the teamwork within squads and in the command channel.
Yeah I have really been enjoying TC, especially when the teamwork comes together with fireteams sticking together and command chat being active. It can be painful if neither of those are present though.
I think the server pop would need to be somehow increased to 150 or 200 for this mode to feel right. I call it "territory whack-a-mole" .
About as chaotic as one of those cash-grab cages that they shut people in and you try to grab up all the dollar bills flying all around you, except the dollar bills are hexagons on a map. In other game modes, it can become very unfun if no one communicates, but this mode by far suffers the worst, because it is absolutely imperative that you know what other squads are doing. When a front starts collapsing, 9/10 times it's a quick end and on to the next round.
It might be hard to coordinate so many guys but I see your point. I think having limited resources to cover large areas is what makes things interesting.
RELOAD OVERHAUL! Reloading should take a page from gears of war and other more tactical shooters. You have a mini-mini game to play there.
1 quick tap of R reloads your gun and retains your current magazine with a total time of about 3-4 seconds depending on the gun.
2 taps of R will drop your current mag and replace the mag giving you 2-3 seconds total reload time depending on the gun.
2 taps of R and one later well timed tap of R will drop the current mag and perform a skilled reload to give you a total reload time of 1-2 seconds depending on the gun. Mis-timing will result in a whiff and you will get the longer reload time as a penalty.
I like the first two suggestions but don’t know how I feel about the last lol
same
@@HaebyungDance
Im definitely gonna hit up that server, ive played tc a couple times and loved it. It works so well
territory control was the best and honestly playing it like invasion would be cool. like you have to push the enemy team back and gain control but its more coordinated and strategy drivin
Yeah it would make a frontline important in the game unlike other game modes.
TC is definitely the superior game mode.
Needs a bit of an overhaul, but still my fav mode.
I really think some creativity could turn TC into a monster of a gamemode
Id say its pretty good at giving you a more “real” feeling with the screen tunnel vision and supression. Im sorry, but they have to do something because theres no fear of death in a video game, and you wont be making perfectly lined up shots when you hear rounds zipping by. I credit squad for this, no other game has done this in such an impactful way.
When I start asking people that complain the ICO is unrealistic, "What is it they find unrealistic?" It always comes back to "I think it should be this way" Not I have shot a gun before and understand its really hard to stay steady aim down sights standing freehand, Or it's very tiring to hold a 10lbs rifle out in front of you while controlling recoil. Not even talking about sprinting with a combat load out and then shooting. A quick google search shows that's between 68-120lbs for the US army. It seem people have been condition by games like CS and CoD that you should be able to just head shot everyone. Every is a tier 1 super solider. Some people get it, others are sad they can't 1v3 and win.
A lot of people think like that, while running jumping diving sliding fuckin doing anything other than what would NATURALLY happen, which is, slowly moving forward in a steady, normal pace, so that when you need to aim, you CAN ACTUALLY shoulder your rifle properly.
People think they can do all of these actions without thinking of the consequences.
THAT SAID, i DO think ICO needs a lot of work on CQB aiming, esp with long range optic rifles. The fact you cant see or shoot properly (NOT accurately, but properly) is absolutely horrible a feeling, esp when youve been looking at an enemy for 3 seconds without being able to AT LEAST see him.
I get all of that and overall I’m happy with the ICO, but I think some mechanics specifically need to be tuned down a bit because they just aren’t fun. Movement speed and suppression alone are doing the bulk of the work of forcing fire and move gameplay. These are fine. But the weapon sway and sight misalignment things are a bit excessive. I think they should tone the intensity of both down by 25%.
I agree wholeheartedly. I will say tho, that "Realism" as a conversation around video games is, in polite terms, moot, in less polite terms, a stupid conversation I keep having to have over and over again. Realism gets *in the way* of fun. The Division had "realism" in the form of only 1 person being able to talk to an NPC at a time, so everyone had to wait in line. Boy howdy, what an incredibly real and intensely boring experience. Squad is a game with points and a score. That enough should dispel any conversation about how "real" it is, that is, the level to which it is real.
What *is* a very interesting conversation, and one I think you've started, is what aspects of the real are developers including, and how are they including them. In this case, it's to emulate the basic movements of modern infantry squads, aka fire and maneuver, and the way that real-world phenomena are included and which ones they include, is to serve this purpose.
The problem with shooters without a "suppression" mechanic, is that people don't act like they would in a real firefight because they won't actually die or get hurt. It is impossible to make that real (legally, I guess), so our starting point is already abstracted from reality. Why would I ever hide behind a corner and wait for you to stop shooting, when I can just turn that corner, take 5-6 bullets (feeling nothing), and drive a hot one between your eyes and win? You gotta make choices when you're making something. The ICO was a bold choice, and one that made the game, not more real, but more *itself*.
Well said!
reloading should probably be sequential, so you can cancel it by re-inserting the mag, etc. also quick reloading
Weapon mechanics like in Insurgency sandstorm would be a dope addition.
TC is okay, but often feels too short to really set battle lines and too few tickets. It would be nice if it was more prevalent so people learned to play it because usually you end up running from hex to hex back and forth.
That said, during the last ICO play test we did a Sumari TC that was probably my most fun round of Squad ever. My squad made a hasty firebase in Police and held out there, occasionally sending out patrols to nearby enemy hexes to find their positions. Crazy fun.
Yeah I agree - it needs work but the potential is there.
Lmao I played a couple rounds on that server, toxic AF. That’s too bad…
Ah sorry to hear that man. I usually have very good experiences but I also know most of the people so experiences probably vary.
@@HaebyungDance yeah, I’ll give it another shot later this weekend
I like to play TC a lot.
Its very cool :)
It is indeed a cool gamemode :)
Whenever people complain about Weapons Sway/Accuracy by citing videos on youtube of people running while shooting, I nearly always get irritated. People forget that youre carrying a lot of weight and that Squads Battles would (realistically) be in a broader war, meaning your soldier won't be as rested as some guys on youtube that have no heavy gear on and had good sleep etc. I never see people complaining about being able to climb high walls in squad, unless theyre trying to justify pre ICO 'unrealistic' gun handling.
Also TC seems so based. Ill probs look into it.
Guess I'll try some territorial control.
Sidenote: Channel discord invite link is invalid.
Fixed the invite link - it was for the channel one not 7th Rangers right?
@@HaebyungDance Thanks. Channel one is fixed and 7th is still working fine.
Awesome - hope you enjoyed the video!
I also enjoy TC on the goth chick server!
We got a gentleman and a scholar over here.
I can’t join the 7th ranger regiment 😔💀
Why not?
@@HaebyungDance too young 💀
See that sucks man - hope to see you when you’re eligible lol in the meantime still join us on our server!
Love the work as always. One thing I noticed is you not calling out contact to buddies when a mfjumps out in front of you. Is there deliberate reasoning or just your preference? I personally report any movement I see as I often take fire before i can identify it and want as much help addressing it as soon as practical. I generally appreciate it greatly when friendlies call out movement or potential contact.
Yeah so generally if we’re not in contact and I spot an enemy I’ll call it out -> then engage. But if we’re already deep in a fight I’ll prioritize engaging enemies before talking.
During that fight in Hex 00 though I thought I was the only one holding that angle and had a sense of isolation. If someone was next to me I could’ve communicated in local better but I felt that it wouldn’t have been helpful in the squad-wide channel. It was just my thinking in the moment - it’s always better to communicate effectively.
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TC is the best game mode. I keep trying to convince people but it's a losing battle. SZ had a few TC layers in the rotation, but then switched to map voting so there's never TC because pub players are so fuckin basic.
So if teamwork and tactics are the primary thing I want which game is best? Arma or Squad? Hell Let Loose has become too arcadey for me.
It depends on what community you join, and how much you want to dedicate time to a community.
An Arma milsim group will probably have the greatest focus on teamwork and tactics but will be a lot more of a rigid experience.
A Squad clan will probably be a lot more freeform, and the game itself is pre-structured so you don’t worry about making events.
could someone pass me a link to 7th discrod or name of the server , thanks in advance
discord.gg/7thrangers
For the servers just type “7th” in the search bar in game and you’ll see them. We seed one at around 12:30-1pm EST everyday, and a second server at around 4:30pm.
Im sorry but uuuh....most of my AI ops in arma are generally more challenging than the "bots" (players) i see in squad....
But yeah TC is a mixed bag for me. Either it ends up being awesome, or, like most of the time due to people not knowing their stuff, ends up a boring snorefest.
But i think its more due to peoples lack of knowledge than complexity.
It would be awesome to have something like karmakuts dynamic direction. But we can dream....
You mean Zeus?
@@HaebyungDance
No, i literally mean the AI in arma, when properly setup, are more challenging than the average-to-good players in squad.
Players in squad just spawn-shoot-die, rinse and repeat.
The bots was a euphemism!
No I was asking about the dynamic direction
@@HaebyungDance
Ah right.
DD, to put it simply, puts down a big AO, that works as a king of the hill type of scenario where if 1 team is winning the cap, the other is drained of tickets.
Its more sandboxy an approach, its more interesting cuz more obscure areas of the map are used, and theres different mechanics (from fob to units, like 1 fob allowed etc) to make it interesting.
Long story short, its what i consider the most interesting gameplay premise, that squad would need desperately rn.
This game will never be like project reality sadly, and the community seems way too casual nowadays to deal with as a SL
A lot of pub matches are like that but if you find a good community within Squad then it's pure gold man.