@@BOLDcastOnePiece Remember Robin saved Luffy from quicksand(Alabasta Arc) .Wondered why she saved him? It's because the man who saved her had middle name "D" Jaguar D Saul..
@@markoliver314 chapter 523, they're using a paddle wheel and considering there's no steam it's most likely manually powered by people just biking or something.
just gonna leave a quote here: "Pirates are incredible guys at sea.They have large,well-trained bodies and eyes like an eagle. Their voices are like a thunder splitting the sky!" - Dr. Hiriluk
There is so much stuff in this small mini arc, i really can't even find something to say. Now for One Piece at a time: That word " Haki " has been used before just not translated correctly. In Jaya, Blackbeard metions it.
@@emiliocorvalan3322 for real ? i though mantra was the first explicit mention of haki during the skypea arc, and the first implicit use being Shanks warding off the sea beast to protect Luffy...
@@Eniril1 Skypea's mantra wasn't called haki, neither was it brought up when Shanks warded off the Sea King. They appeared, but weren't referred to as haki specifically. And with how the whole thing with Ace and Blackbeard went, haki wasn't fully fleshed out even by that time, and it definitely wasn't fleshed out during Alabasta, so it's even possible mantra and Shanks' intimidation weren't even intended to be parts of it when they were written, unless Oda said they were, I dunno, I don't track many things outside of the manga and the anime. Edit: added Alabasta
It seems you've forgotten who Sengoku is. Sengoku is the guy with the seagull hat who talked with the Warlords and Blackbeard's crewmember about a potential replacement Warlord. He's Fleet Admiral of the marines.
So in alabasta when they introduce the gun dog, Mrs merry crismas specifically say " It the latest technology in Grandline where Object can eat devilfruit" so we just found out about who invent it.
yep, all the "blues" (east, west, north, south) no matter where you enter reverse mountain from, everybody will end up at the same starting point. And based on the map, the "last" island should just be at the other side of where the staring point is.
Yes. I'll also specify in the Straw Hats' case, it was the upper right that was the starting point, so spatially they went left on the map in the vid before going up and down Reverse Mountain. (That map unfortunately makes it look like the currents up and down Reverse Mountain start inside the Calm Belts though, which wouldn't make sense.)
Some spoiler-free context: One Piece was meant to be a story about a goofy pirate named Luffy taking on the four emperors in the Grand Line since chapter 1. The added stuff is idea of the Seven Warlords of the Sea, and a lot of early concept art suggests that Robin was a late addition too (which can be read into as the whole Void Century not being a thing until Arabasta). The emperors plotline was always meant to be a thing, it was just pushed back because Oda had other ideas.
I heard that too, but it's still a big old anime cliche to not mention the *real* enemy even a single time until the protagonist needs a newer larger threat. I'm hoping the Live Action can fix this a little bit by having the 4 Emperors and New World not be entirely new concepts that appear basically just as they near the halfway point of the Grand Line. I predict that the new anime will adopt a similar approach to making these things hang together better.
@@MikeHesk742 Spoilers . ... . . . . The emperors were sort of mentioned during Arabasta though. The government mention the three great powers and two of the emperors are shown with the marines fearing their presence due to a power balance. Their name is not directly mentioned, but they still exist out there and the world hangs together from there. Just because something isn't mentioned by name, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. And it's not like Luffy is going to face the emperors in the next arc. They're still hundreds of chapters away, I think it's a very fitting thing to introduce them here and only teasing them before.
@@anotherpawn Not having Robin doesn't necessarily mean Void Century wasn't thought of. It could be more of a case of Void Century already existed as an idea, could only be introduced when they got in the Grand Line, and Oda had no suitable way of introducing the idea of it organically. Also, the whole mystery won't make sense if there was no character invested into it. So he made Robin, introduced her at the start of Grand Line, and made her join the crew so that the idea of the Poneglyphs and Void Century be relevant and integral to the MOTIVATION and INVESTMENT for the crew. It's a character driven story after all. Plot doesn't mean anything without them
on the cp9 stuff i think it has several layers the average joe has heard rumors about it, not sure if it exists random marines know it exists but don't know any detail experienced marines know about guys like lucci without having seeing him ever vice admirals and up can recognize him (that's how i read the scene during the buster call where every marine was wtf got fucked by a giant first and the vice admiral explains)
8:32 It's looks like in our perspective because we are seeing interaction between the characters that are imp or have connection with other imp characters. One piece has 1000+ named characters if all of them knew about cp9 that may seems like everybody but there are millions of civilians who do not have any idea about it because they never had to worry about it.
Such a strange weapon choice for him. Considering his current fighting style does use hand to hand combat, but nothing resembles the weapon he used for years... I guess I'm expecting a claw-like attack via a devil fruit. I don't know.
When Saul introduced himself to Robin, he gave his full name, Jaguar D Saul. He also commented that his entire family had it and he didn't know what it meant. You're correct, the Calm Belt has no wind, it's not just a matter of dodging the sea kings. The Navy has paddlewheels on their ships to get through the Calm Belt. Episode 315 is the conclusion of Robin's story. Likely that's why it felt like the end of an arc, it is the end of a story.
Koby wouldn't be wasting his talents. Most pirates aren't like the Strawhat crew, there are bad ones who terrorise innocent civilians. Good marines like Koby, Smoker and Tashigi are needed to protect them
dont waste your breath. he cant comprehend One Piece's world yet. in their mind pirate is the "Good Guy" because of Luffy and marines are evil because of things like Buster Call. they gonna learn that its not about which sides you are but its about their character when they are faced with good or evil. they have a long journey to see the world of one piece unfold
100% true but also most marines are corrupt or can be "following orders" to kill a bunch of innocent people as demonstrated this arc with the buster call. Sure Carson is making a hasty judgement call in that one statement, but generally yes he is correct in his presumptions, working for the navy will not automatically make coby realize his dream of protecting people, he'll have to do it himself even if it means going against the genocidal system. That's what I gathered from what Carson said when listened to in full context.
@@skysaber23 it's not just them and they atleast have the excuse of still being early in the series. I always find marine slander funny because even in real life we have corrupt cops or even just average military that are forced to do the bidding of corrupt billionaires but that doesn't change the fact that both groups have good people in them that have performed rescue operations resulting in countless lives saved that otherwise would not have been. Do those lives not count because bad people are in the groups? There is no such thing as a non corrupt institution, I dare anyone to name a single example in this world that hasn't been infiltrated by corruption at some level, often the highest levels. Educational institutions, businesses, law enforcement, world governments, charity organizations, even churches and religious temples haven't escaped that. So to be angry or downplay some members of a group for atleast trying to do *some* good within the confines of their organization despite it's corrupt nature seems silly to me. It's the black and white morality of a child offering no real solution to the problem. Effectively you're doing less to make the world better than the person in that organization you're complaining about. Atleast in the context of fiction where a single person's power can potentially change an entire organization, your hatred should be instead focused on the corrupt elements of the group exclusively rather than the group as a whole. Obviously I don't want to get into spoiler territory. But like, if, through Koby, someday the Marines as a whole can be redeemed and made into a purely just organization, why tf wouldn't anyone want that?
Powerscaling in one piece is the best because oda makes it so vague and interesting that fandom can talk about it endlessly and never come to a conclusion. Its very interesting to talk about one piece powerscaling.
I think I said this before, but CP9 are based on MI6, not the CIA. It's in the name, but also in the James Bond references throughout the whole saga. CP9 are partially there because Oda likes James Bond and wanted some way to incorporate it in One Piece. James Bond doesn't use a fake name, so why should Rob Lucci? "The name's Bond, James Bond".
not only that but, sure is not that secret when someone knows but, saying everyone knows is a stretch, water seven is literal besides ennies lobby, marine ford and such. Of course some info is gonna get leak but someone from almost every other island doesn't know.
Ok, but they're ROLE in the world of one piece is definitely the same as something like the CIA or the KGB, so yeah, they are partially based on the CIA as well
Important to remember: Shanks was in Luffy's village 8 years ago or somewhere in that range, and then left and never came back. There's not necessarily any evidence that he's gone "back and forth" between the Grand Line and the East Blue. He made Windmill Village his base of operations for a period of time, Luffy idolized him, and then he departed.
Also the fact that Shanks wasn’t in Windmill Village for only a week or month but was there for a Year on and off. Yet we only know of a few days worth, most of which took place the final days he was there.
The story was originally meant to be about the four emperors and take 5 years to complete, One Piece was already planned out with the ending in mind but the reason it was extended to be such an ambitious story was because the 7 warlords played a much more significant role than Oda had intended along with Oda underestimating how long it would take to tell the story he wanted. Oda has stated numerous times over the years that the story hasnt deviated from his original plan, its just that as the story is being told he adds elements to the story and additional plotlines to arcs, there is one significant element that he added to the story which wasnt initially planned to be added but it was added seamlessly into the story without being a retcon. The only retcon in the story to the point you have seen is Vivi being a princess of Alabasta, thats why Baroque Works and many others didnt recognize her and she could infiltrate the organization because if she was originally a princess she wouldnt have been able to do that given how prolific she is. Also the tie between Shanks and Blackbeard was always meant to be there, the scar was never from Buggy.
59:30 it's actually the other way around; this 4 emperors / Shanks / Blackbeard plot was the main plan, and the 7 Warlords were made on a whim and made One Piece 10 years longer
To put it in easy words of why you guys think everyone knows CP-9 is mostly because as you know most side characters in an arc become relevant and feel like are aware of certain stuff going on in the story . For example as you know the existence of the Poneglyphs is a complete mystery but at the same time whomever the Straw Hats come across are already aware of its existence . Its because those characters that are relevant in the story more or less become aware of the situation (In this case CP-9) otherwise the world is really big so most of the people are not aware of these things at all . Even when Straw Hats were in East Blue remember how they weren't aware of Warlords , Red Line , Logpose , Reverse Mountain , and Poneglyphs etc . That is how it is for the most of the world too . On top of this all you guys already saw how the World Government ended Ohara just because they were searching history . So why do you guys think they can't bury the information regarding them in news or stuff ? Even if the whole Water 7 becomes aware of the CP-9 they will just bury the info and the rest of the world will remain unaware . Robin's bounty poster is also another fact with this . Most of the world (As Tashigi too) think that at the age of 8 Robin destroyed several Navy Warships and that's why she was given this bounty , remember ? But only a few people know the truth of giving her that bounty at that age . btw this isn't spoiler so its okay to read this . During Jaya when Black Beard saw Luffy's 100 million bounty he commented on it but I have seen most of the time this comment is wrongly subtitled . In that moment in english subs he says something like "I didn't expect such bounty for this much of a fighting spirit guy" BUT in Japanese he says something like this "I didn't thought he would be worth of 30 million berries with that kind of Haki" . You can actually hear him say the word too but the translation was done wrong here I guess .
100% agree with you about all the secret or mystery 👍🏻👍🏻 The reason why we feel all the secret is not that secret anymore cause we see all of this from viewer perspective. We see every single perspective of it, so make us feel like its not that secret anymore, but the fact that one piece universe is so huge .... All the secret remain a secret, it just we entering the story about all this mystery from MC perspective and see a lot of Flashback from viewer perspective, and make us feel like "cp9 is not that secret" , but there is thousand of people in one piece universe didn't even know about cp9 or ancient weapon or poneglyph and all the mystery that we already know !!!
Fun fact: Marco appeared already in the episode 151 but animators didnt knew his color scheme and in the manga he was like a random NPC of the crew XD PS: DONT skip the filler episodes pls!! Its fun like Logue Town and we are not getting any more relaxing episodes like them in future! °°
41:47 - Am I missing something? I've heard Carson say this several times across the arc (agents wearing masks in the streets), and I can never remember any insinuation of this, just that there were people attending a carnival on a nearby island. Is this a theory that morphed into head canon? As far as I know, Blueno wore a mask to say "CP9" to Robin, and then they donned masks for obvious reasons to infiltrate Galley-La at night, no other implications. I've never heard of this "agents in the streets" possibility before watching Carson.
There were many people in the streets with masks before the reveal, and then when usopp found the shaking mask he was on the train. It’s my interpretation that that was to reveal that there was more than just one set of masks used by the main cp9 members. It would make sense, given the amount of agents that were immediately present after the reveal, that there may have been some unnamed cp9 members that were in disguise to help with the operation. It’s not headcanon, it’s just a thought. But I should be more careful saying stuff like this I guess
@@BOLDcastOnePiece hey! They are just masks used in festivals in one of the neighboring islands, I think its San Faldo, that some people use in the street or in yagaras. I think it was just a convenient trope about venice that also served for keeping the CP9 and Franky's identity hidden. It would make sense for Blueno and the other CP9 agents to conceal their identity as they were well known people inside of the city, even if Rob Lucci's identity being so well known is kind of a meme afterwards. I think at some point you had the thought that there were other people that wore masks who were agents, and just went with that afterwards, even if was never stated as such.
@@BOLDcastOnePiece Thanks for the reply! I'll be the first to say that you definitely shouldn't have to feel careful mentioning your take on the show, us fans should be here to hear your thoughts and discuss... I hope it didn't come across as nitpicking, I genuinely want to be constructive if I take the time to comment with a paragraph. I understand better with your context about the Sogeking mask. To be honest, because it was shown that Corgi (the official talking to Iceberg) was visiting with several subordinates via train, I had always thought that the large group meeting them at the station had recently arrived via Puffing Tom per the undercover group's instructions to assist them in escorting Robin back to Enies Lobby. Just quickly checked the manga to see if perhaps there was an anime discrepancy to explain things, but nope, as near as I can tell the mask just materialized on Sogeking when he appeared so I can see why you'd be looking for an explanation. 👌 I've been reading/watching OP for over two decades but still find new gems to recontextualize what I know, I was legit between "there were no extra agents 🤔" and "holy crap, did I not catch something all these years? 😲" 😆 I see where you're coming from now! I'm not on Patreon, I'm always afraid that perhaps the full version of your reaction has context for something that has me questioning things. Side note: I certainly don't expect you two to pick up The One Piece when it airs on Netflix, but as you've reached the point where the anime has started prolonging itself I hope that might be a more satisfying watch that retains the manga's more concise pace in the long run. I imagine the story's popularity will result in more of Studio Wit's reanimation beyond the East Blue. 🤞
Five Elders: "We heard about the incident with CP9" Sengoku: "Yes, I know, it's all the fault of some idiot called Span..." Five Elders: "So we decided to send off that 'Hero of the Marines' against the pirate perpetrators. You know, the one who beat Roger. He seems pretty strong" Sengoku: "I don't think that's a good ide..." Five Elders: "That's settled then, send him after them! That's an order!"
I think with CP9, i'll explain it like this, in my country we have this squad that's a hit squad for the police, it's called Recce squad. Everyone's heard of it, the normal police know about them and actively work with them when need arises, criminals fear their name, they don't bother covering up their name because it's important that criminals know they exist. Finding out about a member or two doesn't really matter as long as no one knows how it's run, and how it's funded. So Lucci and the others being outed as CP9 would only be a big deal if it compromised their current mission, but once the mission is accomplished, and with the WG being as good as it is at burying information in the newspapers, even that would just become a myth that originated at water 7.
All the secret agencies IRL like CIA, MI6 etc. Are known. In OP world, that is reflected as Cipher Pol, 1 through 8. Of course, like CIA, the people know they exist, but they dont know much about them, because their internal affairs are top secret. The point is, CP9 should be more of an urban legend in OP world. “You know those secret services numbered 1-8? I bet there is a secret one noone knows about, numbered 9!”
Also, it would make sense that Water7 knows about them now because they just tried to assassinate the mayor and failed. Of course, the word would spread to the people.
58:51 - The Seven Warlords were actually the first expansion to the length of the series. Originally when it was going to just be 5 years of serialization, Crocodile was probably going to be an emperor of the sea or something. It's said that originally, the series would have ended soon after Alabasta and Skypeia were both done-- two arcs that probably still have a lot of (very obscure) clues to how the series will end or how various mysteries might be solved.
*although the earliest sagas may have many clues, later sagas have big lore drops and both start to answer old mysteries as well as raise new ones so I don't want to imply that only the early series advances the story. That's not the case at all. The wider storyline really takes off in the second half of the Grand Line.
7:57 Yes you are correct. The Red Line spans completely around the planet and intersects back into the grandline again on the opposite side of the globe. Which marks the second half.
I like how you guys are getting to that point where you can look back and see all of the seeds that were planted in early One Piece. I think that was one of my favourite things going through it myself, since in lesser series things start to fall apart as new info is introduced. Like we don't really know if Oda had the concept of Haki right away, but having that scene with Shanks scaring off the sea king sort of gives off the illusion that it was always planned to be a thing.
at this point in the story, I assumed that the world government keeps ways of navigating the grand line to themselves based on what Coby says, keeping people stuck on their islands and only them have a safe way to traverse the world and making sure the information is limited allows the WG to have control over the supply chain of this world, i am also assuming that history is not the only lost information and being kept from the world
BRUHHHHHHHHHH here we go AGAIN, “Oda sets something up in an Arc” …. “ thing gets reaveled in a later arc” Carson for the 1000th time “Oda couldn’t possibly ever no way have set this up so long ago, it must must be a retcon bc theres just no logical way he could in my Canadian logic” These Naruto Fans have to stop before my brain rots
Actually, narratively the Emperors were planned from the beginning, the warlords were introduced in between so the Emperors got pushed back. The scene with Shanks vs the sea king was purposeful, with the Emperors in mind. While it's true that the OP world was expanded several times beyond the initial plans, those expansions weren't encessarily linear in-world chronologically speaking. So we find out about the Emperors later but they were thought about before the Warlords, who we meet early on.
The 5 years thing that people throw around is really just an assumption of an mangaka who had never worked before on a weekly series and thought, ah 5 years is probably enough time for me to write down everything. Not to deny that he expanded the story, but the 5 years stuff is just oda miscalculation, it was never meant for alabasta or anything to be "the ending". So don't take everything that happens or is introduced later as a thing he really didn't think about before as even in the current manga we see things he literally planned from the start. But yes, a lot of things he came with up as the story continued
Miss Merry Christmas is the one that stated that the marines had developed the tech that allows objects to "eat" devil fruits. It was never implied to be a natural phenomenon.
Close to the begining of them storming Enis Lobby, the Marines ask the Franky family if their members of the Straw Hats and they say sure. So as far as the marines are concerned both the Franky family and Gallay Law are subordinates of the main crew. All the damage done to Enis Lobby was blamed on the Straw Hats and not the buster call, the actual members of the crew did the real heavy lifting, like defeating cp9, burning the flag, escaping the battleships, so their the ones that got the bounty. Even if the marines knew the Franky family was alive at the end they didn't see them escape the island on the train, but they probably aren't that concerned about underlings.
The biggest threat of the Calm Belt is the Sea Kings. But if you're strong enough, they aren't a threat, so you should just be able traverse through with more traditional methods like paddles. Think about what Mihawk casually did to Krieg's massive ship. He can do the same thing to Sea Kings. So those top percent of pirates like Shanks should hypothetically be in that same boat, so to speak. It's only more average groups that need those sea prism lined ships to get through. Like, we haven't seen Garp fight yet, but if he's still in the level that he would have been to corner someone like Roger, then he should be able to fight Sea Kings too. But if him or someone on his level isn't there, then the Marines absolutely need that sea prism lining to do it.
I didn't understand the whole discussion about Franky's family coming out 'unscathed' from the situation, especially since, when reading the news, Robin herself states that it was Aokiji who hid that from the headlines. Besides the news, those who were there wouldn't be worried about bystanders, since it was the Straw Hats who challenged the government by burning the flag. It wouldn't make sense, aside from the fact that Aokiji covered for them, for the government to focus on random people when you clearly have an entire crew as the real cause of the incident. On top of that, they were defeated... even CP9's focus is on surviving and trying to recover.
its insane how much of the lore that dropped in these 2 episodes is still so relevant and story-shaping today, and how much foreshadowing and layers the Shanks and Whitebeard convo had. Goda 🙏
I loveee the relationship between Aokiji and Robin so much! Its like thorfinn and askelad (in a way) with wayy lesser intensity ofc I agree w carson when we first met him we thought “this is so unsettling” cause we dont know on which side Aokiji is, I’m a manga reader and the part of “I really dont know this guy” really is not disappeared even now you guys 😂
love how you guys learn something, save it in the back of your head, and then connect it when the story progresses, that's how one piece gotta be consumed
YES! Shanks scared off the sea king or "Lord of the Coast" with Haki 👍 Good find! Grandline is divide by the RedLine. *Reverse Mountain has 4 Entrances - North Sea, South Sea, East Sea, West Sea and 1 Exist - Twin Cape* One Piece Journey - [Reverse Mountain] Paradise [RedLine] New World [RedLine a.k.a opposite side of the Twin Cape]
even back when you first saw the calm belt, the presence of the sea kings was outright said to be the REAL danger there. And yeah its very likely the marines may have some form of automation or secret tech to move across the calm belt without worrying about the lack of wind, as Vegapunk was mentioned directly after, Vegapunk likely invented something for the marines. The New World is the second half of the grand line, so its STILL a part of the grand line there's jsut something that makes it notably different from the first half, so Raftel is likely there. And yes it was already established the Red Line circled the globe, it isn't restricted to the reverse mountain, the reverse mountain is just positioned in a way that Lines overlap it.
I love when watchers speculate early, it's so interesting to hear theories and reasons why x might be y. You're in for a crazy ride and I'm here for it :)
With CP9, it does seem silly. But in context it does make a bit of sense. Water 7 is connected directly to Enies Lobby (the Judicial island and home of Cipher Pol). There is a lot of reason for CP9 to have been rumored or known by random civilians in town. For the Marines, most of them are in the know of CP9 by name, but have never seen or interacted with them. Water 7 is one island in this large world of islands separated by vast ocean. News is controlled by the WG (as in their cover up of Crocodile, where everyone in Alabasta knows the truth and the Marines, but civilians on other islands wouldn't). There's even more context to it later. But what the marines know, and what pirates know are vastly different to what civilians who have never left their islands know. Especially islands that aren't government affiliated.
1st demonstration of Shanks Haki was in Earliest OP chapters... when he Intimidated A Sea F'ing King... So we know, It's gullible to Think Oda didn't think of Haki till Post enies Lobby... and More you know Haki... More you'll realise Past Demonstrations of Haki but Unnoticed by Readers because of Pure unawareness of Word Haki... till it's mentioned... Also Live action Did Adapt That Shanks Sea king scene, such that it hints that Shanks has some power other than DF
cp9 is a secret, only marines talk about cp9, and not even all of them, we've seen some getting confused at it, however i can totally get the confusion, i agree that Oda could have added more aspects to the infiltration to make it work better, but i feel he didn't wanted to draw too much attention away from Robin
about the train operators, they where only talking about the world government presence an vague details they overheard an suspicions but didn't really know about cp9, that why they didn't allow them to stay for their arrival and about the randoms knowing, i might be forgetting something, but i don't remember actual randoms talking about cp9, so for that i leave it open, if i'm actually forgetting something about randoms knowing would appreciate the correction
@@gustavogg8729 i mean he's the number one scientist in the government, he was directly name dropped, its a no brainer he's important. It's what his role is BEYOND that vague idea that's the real thing to keep quiet about.
I'm almost certain Shanks' scar was always meant to be from BB and plot relevant. That's why it's on his jolly roger and the most prominent feature. BB was planned from the start, Buggy however was not an important character despite his connection to Shanks and Roger, he was just a character Oda loved. As a fun fact, Oda also planned for Shanks and Buggy to have been on Roger's crew from the beginning. As for WB's scars, the most obvious and popular theory is that WB is talking about Roger but there are other theories. NOOO you've entered the curse world of Mihawk vs Yonkou debate. I suggest not boarding that train or at least not taking it too seriously xD Mihawk's air slash is more similar to the CP9's rankyakyu or the giant's Hakoku Sovereignty with which they cut the giant goldfish (and yes, to Zoro's 36/108 pound technique too), it's a physical air current cutting the atmosphere and whatever else is in its way. WB and Shanks' cut the sky without launching an air slice, that's something slightly different from what we've seen before.
shank's warning always gives me chills like how strong is blackbeard that he had to warned whitebeard to have ace not pursue blackbeard......(shanks is strong but blacjbeard manage to give him a scar on his face)
The Red Line and the Grand Line intersect twice cutting the Grand Line into two halfs. They're both like rings that go around the planet in a 90° angle to each other. Laboon is at the beginning of the Grand Line right next to the Red Line. The Strawhats are traveling towards the Red Line on the other side of the planet compared to Laboon.
The word "Haki" literally means ambition, spirit, or drive. The first time the name is dropped is on Jaya, by Blackbeard. Though in a very vague way, that really no translator could ever be expected to catch as being a "thing" like it is here with Shanks.
While the story has gone on longer than originally intended, some of the things that you see here were considered from the beginning. The Seven Warlords were a later invention. The four emperors and haki were both intended from the beginning, though the concept around haki was not yet fully formed. Shanks' intimidation of the sea monster early on is part of this haki concept. There are elements that you're being introduced now that may not be fleshed out for another couple hundred episodes or more. All of your analysis and questions and assumptions, these are all good things to have. The story has a lot more depth than people give it credit for.
with all this powerscaling talk remember one thing: WHitebeard's nickname (like Red Hair Shanks, Strawhat luffy and Kuro of the THousand Plans) is THe World's Strongest Man. Like, that's jsut what he's officially called, as a pirate.
I think the reason they brought up the second half now was to expand the world, luffy should be a big name after this, but by giving extra distance between him and the big dogs you can slow down the story for now which was needed because even with their upgrades they are still so far from people like aokiji
There is also something interesting in there conversation, when Luffy and Blackbeard met, they had opposite taste, and here shanks says that he GAVE his arm to Luffy and that Blackbeard TOOK something from him with this scar. They both hurt Shanks but one in a "positive" way, the other in a negative way. Also whitebeard said "When I see your face it reminds me of this scar that this man gave me", he obviously don't have the same scar as Shanks, so it's not about the scar but the fact that shanks makes him remember a fight. Is it Roger or someone else it's unclear but this sentence is here to say "there is a character linked to Shanks that is also linked to Whitebeard's past"
Yep, this is easily the series' biggest set-up point since that brief intermission during the Jaya arc. Might wanna keep notes on some of that stuff.... .... However, there is one particular thing of interest I'd like to point out. In Japanese, "haki" can literally mean "ambition". And going back to the Jaya arc, when Blackbeard finds out about Luffy's 100 million bounty, he remarks something along the lines of, "I thought 30 million was too low for someone with such _ambition_ ". And the specific word he used in that line? You guessed it, _HAKI!_ A coincidence on Oda's part? YOU decide! 😉
Would still recommend reading the cover stories after each arc. Have someone edit out the Chapter Titles so there's no spoilers. It'll be worth it for you guys specifically.
16:12 to be fair the grand line’s weather is consistently changing off screen so navigation through stars and the sun wouldn’t be too helpful the ships course would be constantly be changing through these phenomenas, essentially putting you back to the starting point; if not, pushing you further back then before.
You absolutely already knew Saul was a D, he tells little Robin that he doesn't know what it means but everyone in his family had it
I don’t know why I forgot that
I guess I just didnt want to get something wrong
@@BOLDcastOnePiece Remember Robin saved Luffy from quicksand(Alabasta Arc) .Wondered why she saved him? It's because the man who saved her had middle name "D"
Jaguar D Saul..
The calm belt is indeed lacking in wind and waves, but the marines simply use giant paddleboats
They in fact, do not paddle😅 it's a warship
@@Datduuudeeedo you know what a paddle boat is?
They're not using oars.
@@Datduuudeee Lmao the false confidence. Did you skip Amazon lily? Did you not see Momonga's ship using paddle...
@@markoliver314lol so how else do they get throw the calm belt?
@@markoliver314 chapter 523, they're using a paddle wheel and considering there's no steam it's most likely manually powered by people just biking or something.
just gonna leave a quote here: "Pirates are incredible guys at sea.They have large,well-trained bodies and eyes like an eagle. Their voices are like a thunder splitting the sky!" - Dr. Hiriluk
that sounds a lot like the saints from saint seiya "It is said that their fists can rend the sky and their kicks can split the earth" thats so cool
@@artist0154 that is pretty cool
Maybe Oda took Inspiration from from Saint Seiya for haki
There is so much stuff in this small mini arc, i really can't even find something to say.
Now for One Piece at a time:
That word " Haki " has been used before just not translated correctly.
In Jaya, Blackbeard metions it.
Im what context did he say it?
@@g2h5j3 it's when he sees Luffy's bounty, in japanese he says something like "i though that 30 million was low for someone with that much Haki"
@@emiliocorvalan3322 for real ? i though mantra was the first explicit mention of haki during the skypea arc, and the first implicit use being Shanks warding off the sea beast to protect Luffy...
@@Eniril1 aaaaand thats a spoiler wtf?
@@Eniril1 Skypea's mantra wasn't called haki, neither was it brought up when Shanks warded off the Sea King. They appeared, but weren't referred to as haki specifically. And with how the whole thing with Ace and Blackbeard went, haki wasn't fully fleshed out even by that time, and it definitely wasn't fleshed out during Alabasta, so it's even possible mantra and Shanks' intimidation weren't even intended to be parts of it when they were written, unless Oda said they were, I dunno, I don't track many things outside of the manga and the anime.
Edit: added Alabasta
It seems you've forgotten who Sengoku is.
Sengoku is the guy with the seagull hat who talked with the Warlords and Blackbeard's crewmember about a potential replacement Warlord. He's Fleet Admiral of the marines.
So in alabasta when they introduce the gun dog, Mrs merry crismas specifically say " It the latest technology in Grandline where Object can eat devilfruit" so we just found out about who invent it.
yep, all the "blues" (east, west, north, south) no matter where you enter reverse mountain from, everybody will end up at the same starting point. And based on the map, the "last" island should just be at the other side of where the staring point is.
Yes. I'll also specify in the Straw Hats' case, it was the upper right that was the starting point, so spatially they went left on the map in the vid before going up and down Reverse Mountain. (That map unfortunately makes it look like the currents up and down Reverse Mountain start inside the Calm Belts though, which wouldn't make sense.)
@@lapanthanim i assumed the calm belt near reverse mountain kinda sucks you into the mountain all the way from each corner of the blues
Some spoiler-free context: One Piece was meant to be a story about a goofy pirate named Luffy taking on the four emperors in the Grand Line since chapter 1. The added stuff is idea of the Seven Warlords of the Sea, and a lot of early concept art suggests that Robin was a late addition too (which can be read into as the whole Void Century not being a thing until Arabasta). The emperors plotline was always meant to be a thing, it was just pushed back because Oda had other ideas.
I heard that too, but it's still a big old anime cliche to not mention the *real* enemy even a single time until the protagonist needs a newer larger threat. I'm hoping the Live Action can fix this a little bit by having the 4 Emperors and New World not be entirely new concepts that appear basically just as they near the halfway point of the Grand Line. I predict that the new anime will adopt a similar approach to making these things hang together better.
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The emperors were sort of mentioned during Arabasta though. The government mention the three great powers and two of the emperors are shown with the marines fearing their presence due to a power balance. Their name is not directly mentioned, but they still exist out there and the world hangs together from there. Just because something isn't mentioned by name, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
And it's not like Luffy is going to face the emperors in the next arc. They're still hundreds of chapters away, I think it's a very fitting thing to introduce them here and only teasing them before.
@@anotherpawn Not having Robin doesn't necessarily mean Void Century wasn't thought of. It could be more of a case of Void Century already existed as an idea, could only be introduced when they got in the Grand Line, and Oda had no suitable way of introducing the idea of it organically. Also, the whole mystery won't make sense if there was no character invested into it. So he made Robin, introduced her at the start of Grand Line, and made her join the crew so that the idea of the Poneglyphs and Void Century be relevant and integral to the MOTIVATION and INVESTMENT for the crew. It's a character driven story after all. Plot doesn't mean anything without them
Supernova too are also late addition
@@blackpepper2610 Everyone knows, but my top comment was meant to be spoilerless.
on the cp9 stuff i think it has several layers
the average joe has heard rumors about it, not sure if it exists
random marines know it exists but don't know any detail
experienced marines know about guys like lucci without having seeing him ever
vice admirals and up can recognize him (that's how i read the scene during the buster call where every marine was wtf got fucked by a giant first and the vice admiral explains)
8:32 It's looks like in our perspective because we are seeing interaction between the characters that are imp or have connection with other imp characters. One piece has 1000+ named characters if all of them knew about cp9 that may seems like everybody but there are millions of civilians who do not have any idea about it because they never had to worry about it.
Mihawk doesn't need seastone coating, he can just slay any sea king stupid enough to attack him
You can literally see Blackbeard's weapon in the exact shot when he is seen together with his former crewmates.
Such a strange weapon choice for him. Considering his current fighting style does use hand to hand combat, but nothing resembles the weapon he used for years... I guess I'm expecting a claw-like attack via a devil fruit. I don't know.
You're thinking of a shot from Fishman Island, that's when we first see his claw.
@@luciousmathers2640 watch it's gonna be a zoro bandana thing. When he fights luffy in the future he's gonna pull em out
@@elvisd3947 Lol I'd love that. One of his biggest weaknesses is sharp objects so it tracks.
@@luciousmathers2640I always thought it was an interesting choice until I noticed “the number” (3 claws)
When Saul introduced himself to Robin, he gave his full name, Jaguar D Saul. He also commented that his entire family had it and he didn't know what it meant.
You're correct, the Calm Belt has no wind, it's not just a matter of dodging the sea kings. The Navy has paddlewheels on their ships to get through the Calm Belt.
Episode 315 is the conclusion of Robin's story. Likely that's why it felt like the end of an arc, it is the end of a story.
Koby wouldn't be wasting his talents. Most pirates aren't like the Strawhat crew, there are bad ones who terrorise innocent civilians. Good marines like Koby, Smoker and Tashigi are needed to protect them
dont waste your breath. he cant comprehend One Piece's world yet. in their mind pirate is the "Good Guy" because of Luffy and marines are evil because of things like Buster Call. they gonna learn that its not about which sides you are but its about their character when they are faced with good or evil. they have a long journey to see the world of one piece unfold
100% true but also most marines are corrupt or can be "following orders" to kill a bunch of innocent people as demonstrated this arc with the buster call. Sure Carson is making a hasty judgement call in that one statement, but generally yes he is correct in his presumptions, working for the navy will not automatically make coby realize his dream of protecting people, he'll have to do it himself even if it means going against the genocidal system. That's what I gathered from what Carson said when listened to in full context.
They’ll get the idea eventually,
VAGUE SPOILER
there are scenes that illustrate this stuff pretty clearly later on
@@Virgil_Hawkins yo seen u at Morj
@@skysaber23 it's not just them and they atleast have the excuse of still being early in the series.
I always find marine slander funny because even in real life we have corrupt cops or even just average military that are forced to do the bidding of corrupt billionaires but that doesn't change the fact that both groups have good people in them that have performed rescue operations resulting in countless lives saved that otherwise would not have been. Do those lives not count because bad people are in the groups?
There is no such thing as a non corrupt institution, I dare anyone to name a single example in this world that hasn't been infiltrated by corruption at some level, often the highest levels.
Educational institutions, businesses, law enforcement, world governments, charity organizations, even churches and religious temples haven't escaped that.
So to be angry or downplay some members of a group for atleast trying to do *some* good within the confines of their organization despite it's corrupt nature seems silly to me. It's the black and white morality of a child offering no real solution to the problem. Effectively you're doing less to make the world better than the person in that organization you're complaining about.
Atleast in the context of fiction where a single person's power can potentially change an entire organization, your hatred should be instead focused on the corrupt elements of the group exclusively rather than the group as a whole. Obviously I don't want to get into spoiler territory.
But like, if, through Koby, someday the Marines as a whole can be redeemed and made into a purely just organization, why tf wouldn't anyone want that?
Lore after lore after lore after lore 🔥🔥🔥
This is why Water 7 Saga is so PEAK! and we still have like 4 episode to go.
@@SuperSky9 frrr. Water7 saga is almost perfection 🔥
Powerscaling in one piece is the best because oda makes it so vague and interesting that fandom can talk about it endlessly and never come to a conclusion.
Its very interesting to talk about one piece powerscaling.
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I think I said this before, but CP9 are based on MI6, not the CIA.
It's in the name, but also in the James Bond references throughout the whole saga.
CP9 are partially there because Oda likes James Bond and wanted some way to incorporate it in One Piece.
James Bond doesn't use a fake name, so why should Rob Lucci? "The name's Bond, James Bond".
not only that but, sure is not that secret when someone knows but, saying everyone knows is a stretch, water seven is literal besides ennies lobby, marine ford and such.
Of course some info is gonna get leak but someone from almost every other island doesn't know.
Ok, but they're ROLE in the world of one piece is definitely the same as something like the CIA or the KGB, so yeah, they are partially based on the CIA as well
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Fun fact-- Marco is older than Shanks by 6 years. He's even older than Mihawk.
Important to remember: Shanks was in Luffy's village 8 years ago or somewhere in that range, and then left and never came back. There's not necessarily any evidence that he's gone "back and forth" between the Grand Line and the East Blue. He made Windmill Village his base of operations for a period of time, Luffy idolized him, and then he departed.
Also the fact that Shanks wasn’t in Windmill Village for only a week or month but was there for a Year on and off. Yet we only know of a few days worth, most of which took place the final days he was there.
The story was originally meant to be about the four emperors and take 5 years to complete, One Piece was already planned out with the ending in mind but the reason it was extended to be such an ambitious story was because the 7 warlords played a much more significant role than Oda had intended along with Oda underestimating how long it would take to tell the story he wanted. Oda has stated numerous times over the years that the story hasnt deviated from his original plan, its just that as the story is being told he adds elements to the story and additional plotlines to arcs, there is one significant element that he added to the story which wasnt initially planned to be added but it was added seamlessly into the story without being a retcon. The only retcon in the story to the point you have seen is Vivi being a princess of Alabasta, thats why Baroque Works and many others didnt recognize her and she could infiltrate the organization because if she was originally a princess she wouldnt have been able to do that given how prolific she is.
Also the tie between Shanks and Blackbeard was always meant to be there, the scar was never from Buggy.
59:30 it's actually the other way around; this 4 emperors / Shanks / Blackbeard plot was the main plan, and the 7 Warlords were made on a whim and made One Piece 10 years longer
To put it in easy words of why you guys think everyone knows CP-9 is mostly because as you know most side characters in an arc become relevant and feel like are aware of certain stuff going on in the story . For example as you know the existence of the Poneglyphs is a complete mystery but at the same time whomever the Straw Hats come across are already aware of its existence . Its because those characters that are relevant in the story more or less become aware of the situation (In this case CP-9) otherwise the world is really big so most of the people are not aware of these things at all . Even when Straw Hats were in East Blue remember how they weren't aware of Warlords , Red Line , Logpose , Reverse Mountain , and Poneglyphs etc . That is how it is for the most of the world too .
On top of this all you guys already saw how the World Government ended Ohara just because they were searching history . So why do you guys think they can't bury the information regarding them in news or stuff ? Even if the whole Water 7 becomes aware of the CP-9 they will just bury the info and the rest of the world will remain unaware . Robin's bounty poster is also another fact with this . Most of the world (As Tashigi too) think that at the age of 8 Robin destroyed several Navy Warships and that's why she was given this bounty , remember ? But only a few people know the truth of giving her that bounty at that age .
btw this isn't spoiler so its okay to read this . During Jaya when Black Beard saw Luffy's 100 million bounty he commented on it but I have seen most of the time this comment is wrongly subtitled . In that moment in english subs he says something like "I didn't expect such bounty for this much of a fighting spirit guy" BUT in Japanese he says something like this "I didn't thought he would be worth of 30 million berries with that kind of Haki" . You can actually hear him say the word too but the translation was done wrong here I guess .
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100% agree with you about all the secret or mystery 👍🏻👍🏻
The reason why we feel all the secret is not that secret anymore cause we see all of this from viewer perspective. We see every single perspective of it, so make us feel like its not that secret anymore, but the fact that one piece universe is so huge .... All the secret remain a secret, it just we entering the story about all this mystery from MC perspective and see a lot of Flashback from viewer perspective, and make us feel like "cp9 is not that secret" , but there is thousand of people in one piece universe didn't even know about cp9 or ancient weapon or poneglyph and all the mystery that we already know !!!
Assuming that buggy was the one who gave the wb the scar was wild tho😂
Fun fact: Marco appeared already in the episode 151 but animators didnt knew his color scheme and in the manga he was like a random NPC of the crew XD
PS: DONT skip the filler episodes pls!! Its fun like Logue Town and we are not getting any more relaxing episodes like them in future! °°
Robin also starts calling her crewmates by name instead of their roles on the ship
41:47 - Am I missing something? I've heard Carson say this several times across the arc (agents wearing masks in the streets), and I can never remember any insinuation of this, just that there were people attending a carnival on a nearby island. Is this a theory that morphed into head canon? As far as I know, Blueno wore a mask to say "CP9" to Robin, and then they donned masks for obvious reasons to infiltrate Galley-La at night, no other implications. I've never heard of this "agents in the streets" possibility before watching Carson.
Carson headcanon, happens often
There were many people in the streets with masks before the reveal, and then when usopp found the shaking mask he was on the train. It’s my interpretation that that was to reveal that there was more than just one set of masks used by the main cp9 members. It would make sense, given the amount of agents that were immediately present after the reveal, that there may have been some unnamed cp9 members that were in disguise to help with the operation.
It’s not headcanon, it’s just a thought. But I should be more careful saying stuff like this I guess
@@BOLDcastOnePiece hey! They are just masks used in festivals in one of the neighboring islands, I think its San Faldo, that some people use in the street or in yagaras. I think it was just a convenient trope about venice that also served for keeping the CP9 and Franky's identity hidden. It would make sense for Blueno and the other CP9 agents to conceal their identity as they were well known people inside of the city, even if Rob Lucci's identity being so well known is kind of a meme afterwards.
I think at some point you had the thought that there were other people that wore masks who were agents, and just went with that afterwards, even if was never stated as such.
@@BOLDcastOnePiece Thanks for the reply! I'll be the first to say that you definitely shouldn't have to feel careful mentioning your take on the show, us fans should be here to hear your thoughts and discuss... I hope it didn't come across as nitpicking, I genuinely want to be constructive if I take the time to comment with a paragraph.
I understand better with your context about the Sogeking mask. To be honest, because it was shown that Corgi (the official talking to Iceberg) was visiting with several subordinates via train, I had always thought that the large group meeting them at the station had recently arrived via Puffing Tom per the undercover group's instructions to assist them in escorting Robin back to Enies Lobby. Just quickly checked the manga to see if perhaps there was an anime discrepancy to explain things, but nope, as near as I can tell the mask just materialized on Sogeking when he appeared so I can see why you'd be looking for an explanation. 👌
I've been reading/watching OP for over two decades but still find new gems to recontextualize what I know, I was legit between "there were no extra agents 🤔" and "holy crap, did I not catch something all these years? 😲" 😆 I see where you're coming from now! I'm not on Patreon, I'm always afraid that perhaps the full version of your reaction has context for something that has me questioning things.
Side note: I certainly don't expect you two to pick up The One Piece when it airs on Netflix, but as you've reached the point where the anime has started prolonging itself I hope that might be a more satisfying watch that retains the manga's more concise pace in the long run. I imagine the story's popularity will result in more of Studio Wit's reanimation beyond the East Blue. 🤞
Five Elders: "We heard about the incident with CP9"
Sengoku: "Yes, I know, it's all the fault of some idiot called Span..."
Five Elders: "So we decided to send off that 'Hero of the Marines' against the pirate perpetrators. You know, the one who beat Roger. He seems pretty strong"
Sengoku: "I don't think that's a good ide..."
Five Elders: "That's settled then, send him after them! That's an order!"
Yeah, we knew about the D. in Saul's name. He commented that everyone else in his family also has it but also said he doesn't know what it means.
And that he is from a peaceful tribe of giants unlike the Elbaf brutes
I think with CP9, i'll explain it like this, in my country we have this squad that's a hit squad for the police, it's called Recce squad. Everyone's heard of it, the normal police know about them and actively work with them when need arises, criminals fear their name, they don't bother covering up their name because it's important that criminals know they exist. Finding out about a member or two doesn't really matter as long as no one knows how it's run, and how it's funded. So Lucci and the others being outed as CP9 would only be a big deal if it compromised their current mission, but once the mission is accomplished, and with the WG being as good as it is at burying information in the newspapers, even that would just become a myth that originated at water 7.
All the secret agencies IRL like CIA, MI6 etc. Are known.
In OP world, that is reflected as Cipher Pol, 1 through 8.
Of course, like CIA, the people know they exist, but they dont know much about them, because their internal affairs are top secret.
The point is, CP9 should be more of an urban legend in OP world.
“You know those secret services numbered 1-8? I bet there is a secret one noone knows about, numbered 9!”
Also, it would make sense that Water7 knows about them now because they just tried to assassinate the mayor and failed. Of course, the word would spread to the people.
58:51 - The Seven Warlords were actually the first expansion to the length of the series. Originally when it was going to just be 5 years of serialization, Crocodile was probably going to be an emperor of the sea or something. It's said that originally, the series would have ended soon after Alabasta and Skypeia were both done-- two arcs that probably still have a lot of (very obscure) clues to how the series will end or how various mysteries might be solved.
*although the earliest sagas may have many clues, later sagas have big lore drops and both start to answer old mysteries as well as raise new ones so I don't want to imply that only the early series advances the story. That's not the case at all. The wider storyline really takes off in the second half of the Grand Line.
7:57 Yes you are correct. The Red Line spans completely around the planet and intersects back into the grandline again on the opposite side of the globe. Which marks the second half.
The D. Family is very strong. Remember when Down D. Stairs killed Zoro’s childhood friend?
and Con D. Oriano trapped the strawhats
and what about Ask D. Question the guy who asked Roger about the treasure?😮💨 he is the one who started great era of piracy actually😠😠😠😠😠💪💪💪💪
Haha funny
Let’s not forget Took D Picture
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I like how you guys are getting to that point where you can look back and see all of the seeds that were planted in early One Piece. I think that was one of my favourite things going through it myself, since in lesser series things start to fall apart as new info is introduced. Like we don't really know if Oda had the concept of Haki right away, but having that scene with Shanks scaring off the sea king sort of gives off the illusion that it was always planned to be a thing.
at this point in the story, I assumed that the world government keeps ways of navigating the grand line to themselves based on what Coby says, keeping people stuck on their islands and only them have a safe way to traverse the world and making sure the information is limited allows the WG to have control over the supply chain of this world, i am also assuming that history is not the only lost information and being kept from the world
Yes they past the redline once at reverse Mt. But they have to pass it again to enter the "New World"
BRUHHHHHHHHHH here we go AGAIN,
“Oda sets something up in an Arc” …. “ thing gets reaveled in a later arc”
Carson for the 1000th time “Oda couldn’t possibly ever no way have set this up so long ago, it must must be a retcon bc theres just no logical way he could in my Canadian logic”
These Naruto Fans have to stop before my brain rots
Actually, narratively the Emperors were planned from the beginning, the warlords were introduced in between so the Emperors got pushed back. The scene with Shanks vs the sea king was purposeful, with the Emperors in mind. While it's true that the OP world was expanded several times beyond the initial plans, those expansions weren't encessarily linear in-world chronologically speaking. So we find out about the Emperors later but they were thought about before the Warlords, who we meet early on.
The 5 years thing that people throw around is really just an assumption of an mangaka who had never worked before on a weekly series and thought, ah 5 years is probably enough time for me to write down everything. Not to deny that he expanded the story, but the 5 years stuff is just oda miscalculation, it was never meant for alabasta or anything to be "the ending". So don't take everything that happens or is introduced later as a thing he really didn't think about before as even in the current manga we see things he literally planned from the start. But yes, a lot of things he came with up as the story continued
when oda wrote the gun dog, mrs all christmans said it was a new technology developed
Miss Merry Christmas is the one that stated that the marines had developed the tech that allows objects to "eat" devil fruits. It was never implied to be a natural phenomenon.
Close to the begining of them storming Enis Lobby, the Marines ask the Franky family if their members of the Straw Hats and they say sure. So as far as the marines are concerned both the Franky family and Gallay Law are subordinates of the main crew. All the damage done to Enis Lobby was blamed on the Straw Hats and not the buster call, the actual members of the crew did the real heavy lifting, like defeating cp9, burning the flag, escaping the battleships, so their the ones that got the bounty. Even if the marines knew the Franky family was alive at the end they didn't see them escape the island on the train, but they probably aren't that concerned about underlings.
27:50 Amazing character analysis. Also the foreshadowing goes crazy in this arc for all three koby Garp and Aokiji.
" Whenever i see your face , the scar that guy gave me throbs " , Epic .
Holy shit. Now we know who that guy was (starman).
@@sakshamShukla_ still headcannon though
Who was is it?
Twin of someone, roger or Garlind?
The biggest threat of the Calm Belt is the Sea Kings. But if you're strong enough, they aren't a threat, so you should just be able traverse through with more traditional methods like paddles. Think about what Mihawk casually did to Krieg's massive ship. He can do the same thing to Sea Kings. So those top percent of pirates like Shanks should hypothetically be in that same boat, so to speak. It's only more average groups that need those sea prism lined ships to get through. Like, we haven't seen Garp fight yet, but if he's still in the level that he would have been to corner someone like Roger, then he should be able to fight Sea Kings too. But if him or someone on his level isn't there, then the Marines absolutely need that sea prism lining to do it.
2:10 Luffys casual goodbye never gets old 😂
I didn't understand the whole discussion about Franky's family coming out 'unscathed' from the situation, especially since, when reading the news, Robin herself states that it was Aokiji who hid that from the headlines. Besides the news, those who were there wouldn't be worried about bystanders, since it was the Straw Hats who challenged the government by burning the flag. It wouldn't make sense, aside from the fact that Aokiji covered for them, for the government to focus on random people when you clearly have an entire crew as the real cause of the incident. On top of that, they were defeated... even CP9's focus is on surviving and trying to recover.
Haha the mihawk vs shanks discussion , an all time one that goes on for eternity.
its insane how much of the lore that dropped in these 2 episodes is still so relevant and story-shaping today, and how much foreshadowing and layers the Shanks and Whitebeard convo had. Goda 🙏
I loveee the relationship between Aokiji and Robin so much! Its like thorfinn and askelad (in a way) with wayy lesser intensity ofc
I agree w carson when we first met him we thought “this is so unsettling” cause we dont know on which side Aokiji is, I’m a manga reader and the part of “I really dont know this guy” really is not disappeared even now you guys 😂
love how you guys learn something, save it in the back of your head, and then connect it when the story progresses, that's how one piece gotta be consumed
I missed these long discussions. More please.
It's called .... "The GRANDER LINE!" and after that lies "THE GRANDEST LINE"
......... KINDA!
YES! Shanks scared off the sea king or "Lord of the Coast" with Haki 👍 Good find!
Grandline is divide by the RedLine.
*Reverse Mountain has 4 Entrances - North Sea, South Sea, East Sea, West Sea and 1 Exist - Twin Cape*
One Piece Journey - [Reverse Mountain] Paradise [RedLine] New World [RedLine a.k.a opposite side of the Twin Cape]
Baratie was the first and only time Luffy had a "job" and we all saw how that went.
even back when you first saw the calm belt, the presence of the sea kings was outright said to be the REAL danger there. And yeah its very likely the marines may have some form of automation or secret tech to move across the calm belt without worrying about the lack of wind, as Vegapunk was mentioned directly after, Vegapunk likely invented something for the marines.
The New World is the second half of the grand line, so its STILL a part of the grand line there's jsut something that makes it notably different from the first half, so Raftel is likely there. And yes it was already established the Red Line circled the globe, it isn't restricted to the reverse mountain, the reverse mountain is just positioned in a way that Lines overlap it.
the bg music on your intro gives me strong images of the diverse world of one piece and how long the journey had been, from east blue to now elbaf
I love when watchers speculate early, it's so interesting to hear theories and reasons why x might be y. You're in for a crazy ride and I'm here for it :)
With CP9, it does seem silly. But in context it does make a bit of sense. Water 7 is connected directly to Enies Lobby (the Judicial island and home of Cipher Pol). There is a lot of reason for CP9 to have been rumored or known by random civilians in town. For the Marines, most of them are in the know of CP9 by name, but have never seen or interacted with them.
Water 7 is one island in this large world of islands separated by vast ocean. News is controlled by the WG (as in their cover up of Crocodile, where everyone in Alabasta knows the truth and the Marines, but civilians on other islands wouldn't). There's even more context to it later. But what the marines know, and what pirates know are vastly different to what civilians who have never left their islands know. Especially islands that aren't government affiliated.
always love the reactions, big thanks guys!~
1st demonstration of Shanks Haki was in Earliest OP chapters... when he Intimidated A Sea F'ing King...
So we know, It's gullible to Think Oda didn't think of Haki till Post enies Lobby...
and More you know Haki... More you'll realise Past Demonstrations of Haki but Unnoticed by Readers because of Pure unawareness of Word Haki... till it's mentioned...
Also Live action Did Adapt That Shanks Sea king scene, such that it hints that Shanks has some power other than DF
48:11 Remember in the beginning when he told the sea beast to get lost? 😉
49:54 Oh yes.
54:10 He wishes.
Buggy
cp9 is a secret, only marines talk about cp9, and not even all of them, we've seen some getting confused at it, however i can totally get the confusion, i agree that Oda could have added more aspects to the infiltration to make it work better, but i feel he didn't wanted to draw too much attention away from Robin
about the train operators, they where only talking about the world government presence an vague details they overheard an suspicions but didn't really know about cp9, that why they didn't allow them to stay for their arrival and about the randoms knowing, i might be forgetting something, but i don't remember actual randoms talking about cp9, so for that i leave it open, if i'm actually forgetting something about randoms knowing would appreciate the correction
Dr Vegapunk, a very important name to take into account.
Stop
@@gustavogg8729stop what? They already know
@@gustavogg8729 i mean he's the number one scientist in the government, he was directly name dropped, its a no brainer he's important. It's what his role is BEYOND that vague idea that's the real thing to keep quiet about.
@@gustavogg8729 gate keeping of nothing spoiler?
@@hashshashiin.forsī Next he will complain about not eating anymore donuts.
I'm pretty sure Buggy having three knives and Shanks have a scar with three marks was just a coincidence 'cause this is Buggy we're talking about lol
4:15 using pedal ship, like ship with wheel, no wind needed.
I always enjoy how you two really think through the long-term implications of new information.
I always interpreted the scar line like roger, shanks captain gave him the scar. That's why it aches when he sees shanks
Vegapunk was first mentioned here. Kinda insane to think about!
I'm almost certain Shanks' scar was always meant to be from BB and plot relevant. That's why it's on his jolly roger and the most prominent feature. BB was planned from the start, Buggy however was not an important character despite his connection to Shanks and Roger, he was just a character Oda loved. As a fun fact, Oda also planned for Shanks and Buggy to have been on Roger's crew from the beginning.
As for WB's scars, the most obvious and popular theory is that WB is talking about Roger but there are other theories.
NOOO you've entered the curse world of Mihawk vs Yonkou debate. I suggest not boarding that train or at least not taking it too seriously xD
Mihawk's air slash is more similar to the CP9's rankyakyu or the giant's Hakoku Sovereignty with which they cut the giant goldfish (and yes, to Zoro's 36/108 pound technique too), it's a physical air current cutting the atmosphere and whatever else is in its way. WB and Shanks' cut the sky without launching an air slice, that's something slightly different from what we've seen before.
Haki is gonna be explained later in the show, but you’ve already encountered it multiple times.
shank's warning always gives me chills like how strong is blackbeard that he had to warned whitebeard to have ace not pursue blackbeard......(shanks is strong but blacjbeard manage to give him a scar on his face)
The Red Line and the Grand Line intersect twice cutting the Grand Line into two halfs. They're both like rings that go around the planet in a 90° angle to each other. Laboon is at the beginning of the Grand Line right next to the Red Line. The Strawhats are traveling towards the Red Line on the other side of the planet compared to Laboon.
Ohh boyyy garp has a lot to show yall character wise😭💯
Luffys Final Words..”Nami I Spent our BOUNTY ON MEAT!”
The word "Haki" literally means ambition, spirit, or drive.
The first time the name is dropped is on Jaya, by Blackbeard. Though in a very vague way, that really no translator could ever be expected to catch as being a "thing" like it is here with Shanks.
While the story has gone on longer than originally intended, some of the things that you see here were considered from the beginning.
The Seven Warlords were a later invention. The four emperors and haki were both intended from the beginning, though the concept around haki was not yet fully formed. Shanks' intimidation of the sea monster early on is part of this haki concept.
There are elements that you're being introduced now that may not be fleshed out for another couple hundred episodes or more.
All of your analysis and questions and assumptions, these are all good things to have. The story has a lot more depth than people give it credit for.
One piece world just opened a window :)
About that gundog. That was explained that zoan type devil fruits have a will of its own so it wanted the gun to consume it. Dont sweat over it. 😂
with all this powerscaling talk remember one thing:
WHitebeard's nickname (like Red Hair Shanks, Strawhat luffy and Kuro of the THousand Plans) is THe World's Strongest Man. Like, that's jsut what he's officially called, as a pirate.
Marines have motors in their ships to get over the calm belt I'm pretty sure.
I'm ready for that Water 7 Podcast. I know they already recorded
Buggy being on Roger's crew is still one of the funniest things in One Piece.
58:00 you're correct! That's Thatch
Simple answer about how Marines traverse the calm belt is rowing and/or their ship has wheels, idk what its called but basically wheels on water 😂
They're called paddlewheels :3
"I feel like they wouldn't bring it up if we weren't somewhat close..." 🤣🤣
Don't forget that name, Dr Vegapunk
The New World is the sea that is ruled under the 4 Emperors
They mentioned The Four Emperors rules the New World in the prev ep so yes there's a 2nd half of the Grand Line.
I think the reason they brought up the second half now was to expand the world, luffy should be a big name after this, but by giving extra distance between him and the big dogs you can slow down the story for now which was needed because even with their upgrades they are still so far from people like aokiji
There is also something interesting in there conversation, when Luffy and Blackbeard met, they had opposite taste, and here shanks says that he GAVE his arm to Luffy and that Blackbeard TOOK something from him with this scar. They both hurt Shanks but one in a "positive" way, the other in a negative way.
Also whitebeard said "When I see your face it reminds me of this scar that this man gave me", he obviously don't have the same scar as Shanks, so it's not about the scar but the fact that shanks makes him remember a fight. Is it Roger or someone else it's unclear but this sentence is here to say "there is a character linked to Shanks that is also linked to Whitebeard's past"
Dr kureha mentioned Gol. D Roger in drum island.
Yep, this is easily the series' biggest set-up point since that brief intermission during the Jaya arc. Might wanna keep notes on some of that stuff....
.... However, there is one particular thing of interest I'd like to point out. In Japanese, "haki" can literally mean "ambition". And going back to the Jaya arc, when Blackbeard finds out about Luffy's 100 million bounty, he remarks something along the lines of, "I thought 30 million was too low for someone with such _ambition_ ". And the specific word he used in that line? You guessed it, _HAKI!_ A coincidence on Oda's part? YOU decide! 😉
Just to clarify the world doesn't know the gov used buster call at Enies. The world thinks the Syrawhats did all of the destruction themselves
all of them have equal power
Blackbeard : Shanks : mihawk and random fish from east blue
I still can't believe Whitebeard's line about "that guy" that gave him scar. We are close to confirming it.😅
Would still recommend reading the cover stories after each arc. Have someone edit out the Chapter Titles so there's no spoilers. It'll be worth it for you guys specifically.
16:12 to be fair the grand line’s weather is consistently changing off screen so navigation through stars and the sun wouldn’t be too helpful the ships course would be constantly be changing through these phenomenas, essentially putting you back to the starting point; if not, pushing you further back then before.
Shanks wants to warned Ace to black beard that's all
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42:20 I think the premise is the people in water 7 heard whispers of CP9 but didnt know any of the people inside it