What's so perfect is that Garp's reveal is completely in-character for someone who was related to Luffy. The haphazard, no plan, no subtlety whatsoever, bust through the wall approach is literally something Luffy would do too.
Back in the days, reading the manga, this revelation was a big twist, even the anime at first. But then, they later added the couple of side episodes where you see hermep and coby training under garp's and that kinda spoiled the surprise for the new viewers.
Fun fact! When Lulu and Tilestone first arrived on the sea train BEFORE Enies Lobby and were confident they knew who the traitors were, only to be surprised for a gag, they said they thought it was Michael and Hoichal! These two children who just tried to mug Zoro with a ruler and flute!
@@lapanthanim Bushon (one of the sea train porters) whispered that someone "from the backstreets" might be undercover in episode 251; I always thought that was the start of the running gag about Michael and Hoichael being suspected CP9 agents.
As someone who watched the anime first and was pretty much as unspoiled about One Piece as someone could be, Garp AKA this random Marine guy I didn't even remember, showing up out of nowhere and being revealed he was Luffy's grandpa was the most random surprising thing ever, with the Dragon reveal being even crazier.
@@GutsIsTheGoat yeah i didn't like it either and oda was against it for a long time and they eventually talked him down. They wanted the strong hook on the audience and they wanted to try to get a season 2 so they ruined spoilers and big revelations in the future in order to get that. Hopefully this isn't a trend where they reveal crap about B. Mom or the emperors next season or some nonsense cause eventually we will arrive here in water seven with no revelations....
13:00 I also always thought Tom's speech was not just about ships but a metaphor for having unconditional love for your children. There's an additional layer to it too when you consider that Franky was abandoned by his parents. And when he lost Tom he was traumatised, resulting in him becoming a ship demolisher instead. Always appreciated the depth of his character.
Even the strawhats who weren't much intimidated by shanks being revealed as an emperor , were extremely surprised on hearing dragon's name drop , shows why he is the worlds most wanted criminal .
It's a small thing, but I really enjoy Luffy and Robin's relationship, especially after Enies Lobby. Luffy trusts her to fill him in on anything he might not know, and Robin explains it in simple terms to him, never mocking Luffy for not knowing. It's very sweet and wholesome. :)
37:25 what you're talking about here is the secret superpower of Oda. Many people say he's great at foreshadowing and planning ahead, and he is, but that isn't his greatest strength imo. It is his PATIENCE. He has this entire world in his head for decades and yet he is in no rush to reveal everything. He just slips a nugget of information here and there when it makes sense to, and so it comes off feeling natural when these reveals occur. A lesser storyteller would spill the beans much earlier and ruin the mystery.
Absolutely right It’s something I’m starting to see is more intentional than I gave credit for Or at least is becoming more solid as time goes on Usually the amount of time is indicative of creators NOT knowing everything beforehand and just throwing out lines that they can tie together later. I think that was more the case so far. But I can already feel the lines forming a net behind the curtain, it’s not just a feverish savant ‘making it work’, it feels more and more like there’s something concrete waiting for us already But maybe I’m wrong, time will tell
The cover story is unmissable, it's presented as a part of the story. So I'd say that it is fair to say that Garp has appeared earlier in the story and that the reader SHOULD know about it. The story has already made it clear that you should read the cover story as Buggy met Alvieda in the cover story and that went on to be important so I think it counts as a part of the "main story". These aren't suplements, they are a part of the chapters as they release and tie into the story.
Exactly, it is literally just page 1 of every chapter...I think calling it "cover story" is what makes many people assume it is some kind of extra content, when it's not
It's not unmissable, as the story can be a little hard to follow if you read it going chapter-by-chapter, and it's punctuated by non-canon cover arts with random animals.
@@IamGrimalkin It's literally not unmissable, of course. But I'm talking in broad strokes where the story and layout makes it clear that you should read it. It's clearly presented as a part of the story and most people catch it, if you don't it's your fault for not paying attention.
@@IamGrimalkinit is missable, but only if you don't pay attention at all, because cover stories have their name, number and a explanation of what is happening written alongside the art.
On the topic of missing cover stories, that’s just an anime-only problem. It’s quite impossible to miss them if you’re reading the manga. They’re LITERALLY the covers. That said, there is a particular one coming up in the next arc. It has never been animated, and it is… “potentially” very important. I would recommend consulting with your mods, or maybe your patreon guys on how to read it when the time comes.
@@blackknight6757 Trying to be careful here. It’s the one that starts on chapter 428, and ends on 474. Technically, they should already be reading it, at this point in the story. But it ends in the middle of the next arc, so it’s not safe to read for anime-only’s.
Note: his Grandpa was appeared "before" One Piece started: "Romance Dawn Version 2" (a short before One piece started) It got also an animated version in a special episode :D
As you've learned from the Live Action, there are good pirates and there are bad pirates. There are also good marines and bad marines. It's up to you to decide who is who.
Has the boldcast crew ever discussed reacting to the manga cover stories? Several are going to be relevant soon-ish, and one in particular tends to blow OP theorists minds.
I am sure people have said this l9ng ago on patreon or in this comment section but if you notice Robin now calls them by their names instead of mr cook or mr swordsman or navigator after they saved her
ah yes! the dragon and garp reveal is THE og "reveal" for one piece. i remember watching this as a kid on my parents little shitty box-tv and being HYPED as all hell
I like to think that Garp's training is another reason why Luffy was able to learn Shave so fast and Koby having learn after training with Garp kinda supports it. Man, i love Micheal and Hoicheal. Now for One Piece at a time: Welcome to Oda's original plan for One Piece: the Four Emperors. Acording to Oda this was the original scope of the story but after the introduction of the Warlords he has to push the Emperors for later So yeah one of the reasons why One Piece is SO long is thanks to the Warlords.
@@sarafontanini7051 tbf, you sort of start to sea the concept of "Emperors" or leaders of the sea with Kuro before his "capture", Don Krieg and Arlong. They're sort of the leader with what we now know as East Blue.
That final shot before the To Be Continued was also the cover for the post Enies Lobby volume of the manga. Also, since Toei never animated it, here's a rundown of what happens to CP9 after Enies Lobby as per the CP9's Independent Report cover story: * Blueno saves Rob Lucci from the rubble, but he is still unconscious. The CP9 gather and learn that Spandam pushed the blame of Enies Lobby on them. * They escape to an island nearby carrying Rob Lucci and try to raise money for his treatment doing odd jobs like Jabra does circus acts, Kaku plays with kids, and Kalifa cleans the town with her soap abilities. * Rob Lucci recovers. They hang out for a while in the town and save the people from pirates. They commandeer the pirate ship and sail off to their home turf where the next generation of cipher pol is being trained and they just observe that. * Marnies show up to try and capture them, but they are easily defeated. Lucci contacts Spandam who is still recovering from Robin's attack and tells him that he will return some day. That's all you need to know for now.
One of the earliest drafts of one piece has Garp as the pirate that inspires luffy and gives him the hat. Most people hadn't seen that before his reveal but die hard fans in japan definently knew.
If you're reading this Carson and Lindsey, the Warlords and Emperors are two different titles that aren't associated with each other. The only thing in common they have is that they're 2 of the 3 great powers in the world.
That's our Garp, master of dropping bombs! 😉 And yeah, we actually heard about Michael and Hoichael earlier in the arc. They were mentioned in sort of a "blink and you'll miss it" joke, so I wouldn't blame anyone for not remembering the reference, especially after all the chaos we just went through in the interim, lol. 😆
Now you can go back to the live action and see Dragon's "cameo" in Loguetown in the prologue during Roger's execution along with the Revolutionary Army easter egg in the newspaper in the last episode next to Luffy's wanted poster that Kaya's reading. Fun times. I can't wait for so many more easter eggs and more of these reactions
Finally I have been waiting for both of you to reach this episodes. This was the big reveal. With the Father. Very big difference from the Live Action. Garp is actually the father of Dragon and Grandfather of Luffy since when Garp was a kid he looked like Luffy and when he was a young marine he looked like Dragon. Plus Garp calls Dragon "his son". Not gonna tell more since it's a spoiler territory. About Garp being a "good" marine. It will be explained along the way. So no worries.
Not to be pedantic, but I personally think Garp and Dragon are related by marriage, not blood. I don't recall Garp ever specifically referring to Dragon as his "son". They definitely feel more like in-laws to me lol
@@ICavalcadeI He called him his son in the manga but i dont remember the exact chapter. But personally I also feel like there's a chance they're still not blood related and that garp just generally sees his son in law the same as his real son or that maybe he still raised dragon together with his own daughter.
To be honest, I still don't entirely know where Garp stands. There are some hints, to be sure; but we're still not sure why he's a Marine and what things he's done in his past.
It's funny you mention Garp seeming to come out of nowhere cause one of my complaints with the anime is that since they stopped adapting the cover stories tons of characters show up again without really establishing how they got there.
luffy cut his eyes because he want to be tough so he can set sail with shank..i think the reason he cut at that place is because he see his grandpa as tough guy...
27:24 All of CP9 Saga, from the moment the Merry got stuck on those sea-rails by Kokoro's station, was a set up for the reveal that puberty hit Coby *like a train*
Dragon’s not an Emperor because he’s not a pirate. Whitebeard and Shanks are the only Emperors known at this point in the story. The other two will be revealed in time.
in the original romance dawn, Garp had taken the place of Shanks (a pirate who mentored luffy and was the reason luffy got the gum gum fruit via stupidity), so here its funny to have him instead be the OPPOSITE
In EL, the Franky Family declared that they are the Strawhat Pirates. I think that played a role as well on why the blame was placed only on the Strawhats. They'd be like the unnamed pirates a,b,c,etc for the Strawhats.😅😁
okay so one thing they dont really make clear enough i feel like - pirates, revolutionaries, marines and the world government are all reperate and different entities. the warlords are world government-sanctioned pirates, the four emperors are NOT - they are just incredibly strong so the navy doesnt really mess with them. which is why the government created the seven warlords. to have, together with the marines, 2 forces that, together, could possibly oppose the four emperors (or yonko, as theyre often called). so what we know at this time: ◽pirates: includes the seven warlords (mihawk, doflamingo, blackbeard wants to be one, bartholomew kuma, crocodile WAS one, jimbei the fishman is one, the rest we dont know yet), also includes the four emperors (shanks, whitebeard, two unknowns at this point) ◽ marines: includes people like the 3 admirals, the fleet admiral sengoku whos the head of the marines ◽ world government: includes the five elder stars (the dudes we saw in jaya, theyre like the top TOP dogs in the government), the cp agents, most heads of states in the world (kings and such), and more we dont know yet). also the marines work FOR the world government. ◽ revolutionary army: includes dragon and his people. all these fractions have their own stuff going on, but thats why luffys family is so crazy: garp is one of the top dogs in the marines, dragon is the head of the army that directly oppposes the government (the marines employer), and luffy and ace are crazy notorios pirates. absolute insanity at the family gatherings i presume. but i think thats kinda the beauty of one piece: even before this was revealed, everyone was just cool with the fact that luffy was just. some dude. and i mean, he still kinda just is that - one piece makes it clear that blood relations are not as important as your found family, and luffy didnt even know dragon was his dad lol. he never even told them that a marine vice admiral was his granddad, or that his brother was a notorious pirate himself. i think thats really cool.
I think it was made blatantly clear there’s really no room for misinterpretation. They said pirates don’t mess with the navy or world government but the revolutionary army does separating them. The only one that could be confused is the navy and WG even though they are technically one the same since the navy works under the WG
@@nnightkingj thats great for you, but obviously it wasnt clear enough for these two. in almost every reaction i watch, people arent super clear on what the distinctions are, even though you think its obvious.
14:06 - "Harping on" is a great way to describe it. 😅 I hope you'll find that most story beats like this have a resolution, it just takes time to get there and it MAY take longer due to pacing.
FYI, Garp refusing to be promoted is a spoiler. I just wanted to let you know that you are not supposed to know about this at this point in the story. Obviously, there is a reason behind Garp's decision, but that's a spoiler and I hope nobody spoils you and you don't look it up.
I miss the watercolour backdrops and old artstyle too. Characters designs have already started to shift a little bit, Chopper has been pikachu'd slightly and has lost some of his snout and shaggy fur by this point.
you should really start reading the cover stories as you go along. Maybe on every arc wrap up you can read the cover story that accompanied that arc in the manga.
34:43 Most of the community still thinks that Garps Daugher is Luffys Mom (myself included) because them saying "so Dragon is Garps Son" is not really evidence for that imo.
It's easy to miss, but when they're talking about the Four Emperors and that graphic appears behind Garp (which you freeze-framed for discussion), *the fourth emperor's face is in the lower left*, mostly covered up by Garp's cape. I wish they made it clearer but I'm guessing they probably did that because that particular emperor's part in the main story wasn't finalized yet. Anyway, I'm glad you reached this moment! Looking forward to the rest of the saga's wrap-up as well.
Don't think too much about the identities of the other two of the Four Emperors. These characters have not yet been seen or introduced to the story. As of right now, we have no idea who they are. Their identity will be revealed in the future.
Mozu and Kiwi are my favorite parts of these 2 episodes. The doing poses in the background bit cracks me up and if it were socially acceptable to do in real life I would totally be doing that.
Something that is also really nice is that a ship is a crews home. So now Robins home will be made of the same wood as the Tree of Knowledge that she used to consider home.
To be honest with you, the way Garp is incenced at Luffy's behavior kind of hints at something where you might be on the money: He says "you're impudent, even though you are only the kid of my kid!" To me, this has always been a subtle hint that Dragon was the son in law. But yeah, there are other materials (official ones) that kind of state that Dragon is Garp's son. They could be retconned in the future, of course, but...
Welcome to tge new standard formula going forward. The small spaces in-between arcs are someone the community's favorite thing about One Piece. It's now Lore Piece!
So far there has been no mention of Garp refusing to be promoted to Admiral and it is interesting how long it will take to find out as it makes more sense in a future when the world building continue to expand.
I also thought for a second that maybe Smoker was Luffy's dad the first time I watched this 😂 I didnt remember Dragon at all until the flashback came in
One thing when it comes to Garp is it's not clear if prior to this point Garp was planned to be "Hero of the Marines". He's introduced as a Vice-Admail in the cover story, but if he was planned and revealed to be just a random Vice Admiral, he would have felt less of a big deal than what we got. Dragon was always a big deal though.
100% agree that One Piece doesn't really just revolve around Luffy. The OP world is so vast, so many characters and plot lines that will interconnect somehow which is really really great for a story telling standpoint. I personally didn't love one piece just by the characters alone but the in depth story or lores around it. The next arcs after this arc, will be the 1st peak of Oda dishing out his Story! Can't wait for you guys to react on it!
as Robin said, pirates don't engage with the govt. revolutionaries do. so Dragon is not a pirate is the clear insinuation. the 4 emperors are proper pirates.
Worth noting that fan translations of Adam called it the "jewel tree", which communicates the idea of it being not just precious and valuable, but durable as well. No idea which is more accurate between Jewel or Treasure, but it's an interesting note.
@@georockmann7113I wouldn't default to the official translation just because it's official, especially this early on. After all, those errors and the refusal to correct them later once they knew better is how the official manga translation got stuck with the name Roranoa Zolo. I'm just saying that human error is a thing, and the translations have been shown to be wrong on occasion, as well as a preference to staying consistent over accurate.
I think that they mentioned Garp being one of the few that hunted Roger, somewhere in the manga, before the reveal 😂... but anyway I think that the cover stories are very integral to the manga, you should not skip them if you read it
I don't know if Dragon's ties to Luffy were set in stone from the start (I suspect they were), but his importance to the world definitely was from his first appearance. His first appearance had Smoker being completely shocked that Dragon would show up and help a seemingly random pirate, which shows he was meant to be a big deal, even then Especially since Smoker doesn't even try to fight him despite getting in the way, suggesting that Dragon either significantly outranks him in the marines, or is a known third party who is so strong that Smoker flat out knows he won't win and doesn't even try. But we actually learn more about Dragon between then and now which is proof he's been meant to be important even before this. During Drum Island, we get more info during Dalton's flashback of Vivi's interaction with Wapol at the Reverie. While Dalton is remembering it, we get a brief explanation that the Reverie is a meeting between the royalty of the world where they discuss global affairs. And during the flashback to that reverie, the royalty name drops Dragon, mention that he's stirring up trouble as a revolutionary, and that he could become a major threat later on. So his role in the world was already revealed during a completely different flashback that had nothing to do with him at all.
Never liked the Scheming Garp of LA. Never in all the 1125 chapters of manga has he acted like a sly fox. He is as abrupt as it gets and is treated like a force of nature.
There is a worldwide notion when discussing The Big 3, unlike Naruto and Bleach where you have of course the main protagonist and how he affects the world throughout their stories, as for Luffy’s Journey, it is written as an IMMENSE world, and how it changes throughout the story, ultimately affecting Luffy’s and the Strawhat’s journey. It is a story of a grand world ever-changing (in which yall have no idea yet) and how our Captain has to manage his way through these political powers thus changing not the world but each island/destination he visits #peak
Part of the beauty of One Piece's world building and story telling is how simply each element is presented at any given time, yet over time all of these simply presented threads are woven into a very complex, intricate, and beautiful tapestry. That's one of the reasons why One Piece's extreme length very much works in its favor. It allows the true scope of the world and what's going on within it to be revealed slowly, in easily understood bits that are connected to each other gradually. And so a silly, goofy story about gimmicky pirates in a world filled with child-like wonder is slowly able to build itself into an epic that can rival the classics.
Doflamingo amd blackbeard are not emperors, neither is even the strongest warlord. Also each emperor crew is on par with the entirety of the marines and the world government they are crazy strong.
35:58 "The world doesn't have to revolve around Luffy" Oda's worldbuilding skills rival Tolkien's imo. As invested in the main cast as we are, you really get the sense that what Luffy and the crew are getting up to is a small drop in the ocean compared to the world at large. It really gets you hyped up about what's to come!
If you look closely, very few people in the series have pinpoint eyes, and all three of these characters do. Also, post arc lore dumps are a thing and they are awesome
Maybe it's a bit silly to say this, but you two would have been killers in One Piece theory if you had followed the show week by week. Who knows? Maybe once you catch up with all the episodes? (in a million years)
Introduction of the Four Emperor in this episode is the most important for me cause this totally change the power level in one piece and also this totally change the story and make it more complicated , Warlord are strong but when we compare to the Four Emperor , the warlord are nothing except certain Warlord
What's so perfect is that Garp's reveal is completely in-character for someone who was related to Luffy. The haphazard, no plan, no subtlety whatsoever, bust through the wall approach is literally something Luffy would do too.
Yeah, they're both the kind of people to do something crazy and stupid like that because they think it would be cool and/or fun.
everyone with D in the name: LEEEEROYYYYYY JEEEENKIIIIIINS
everyone following them: *dying inside*
And there is dragon in the middle who does
NOTHING
@@rakhatthenut3815 Nonsense! He does something... he gazes towards the East Blue.
That's something. Right? RIGHT?
Back in the days, reading the manga, this revelation was a big twist, even the anime at first.
But then, they later added the couple of side episodes where you see hermep and coby training under garp's and that kinda spoiled the surprise for the new viewers.
Fun fact! When Lulu and Tilestone first arrived on the sea train BEFORE Enies Lobby and were confident they knew who the traitors were, only to be surprised for a gag, they said they thought it was Michael and Hoichal! These two children who just tried to mug Zoro with a ruler and flute!
Glad you commented this. 👍🏾 I think there might have been at least one other name drop of Michael and Hoichael too, but I can't remember when.
I believe that was anime only to add to the joke but that sounds familiar now you mention it! Thanks for bringing that up too!
@@AbigailTabbyTail They never appeared in the manga but Oda drew them and gave background in an SBS after a reader asked about them
@@lapanthanim Bushon (one of the sea train porters) whispered that someone "from the backstreets" might be undercover in episode 251; I always thought that was the start of the running gag about Michael and Hoichael being suspected CP9 agents.
@@blueiceadmiral they were IN THE MANGA, chapter 432
As someone who watched the anime first and was pretty much as unspoiled about One Piece as someone could be, Garp AKA this random Marine guy I didn't even remember, showing up out of nowhere and being revealed he was Luffy's grandpa was the most random surprising thing ever, with the Dragon reveal being even crazier.
yeah the live action was pretty cool for the most part but I didn't like the garp reveal being so early personally
😂and next oda bom with fact Luffy mother is imu 3x crazy
@@GutsIsTheGoat yeah i didn't like it either and oda was against it for a long time and they eventually talked him down. They wanted the strong hook on the audience and they wanted to try to get a season 2 so they ruined spoilers and big revelations in the future in order to get that. Hopefully this isn't a trend where they reveal crap about B. Mom or the emperors next season or some nonsense cause eventually we will arrive here in water seven with no revelations....
13:00 I also always thought Tom's speech was not just about ships but a metaphor for having unconditional love for your children. There's an additional layer to it too when you consider that Franky was abandoned by his parents. And when he lost Tom he was traumatised, resulting in him becoming a ship demolisher instead. Always appreciated the depth of his character.
Franky's whole backstory is HELLA UNDERRATED!!! I'm always so frustrated how people in this fandom doesn't appreciate Franky enough...
Aokiji talks about luffy grandpa when he meets luffy
Even the strawhats who weren't much intimidated by shanks being revealed as an emperor , were extremely surprised on hearing dragon's name drop , shows why he is the worlds most wanted criminal .
It's a small thing, but I really enjoy Luffy and Robin's relationship, especially after Enies Lobby. Luffy trusts her to fill him in on anything he might not know, and Robin explains it in simple terms to him, never mocking Luffy for not knowing.
It's very sweet and wholesome. :)
37:25 what you're talking about here is the secret superpower of Oda. Many people say he's great at foreshadowing and planning ahead, and he is, but that isn't his greatest strength imo. It is his PATIENCE. He has this entire world in his head for decades and yet he is in no rush to reveal everything. He just slips a nugget of information here and there when it makes sense to, and so it comes off feeling natural when these reveals occur. A lesser storyteller would spill the beans much earlier and ruin the mystery.
it makes following along so worth it
Absolutely right
It’s something I’m starting to see is more intentional than I gave credit for
Or at least is becoming more solid as time goes on
Usually the amount of time is indicative of creators NOT knowing everything beforehand and just throwing out lines that they can tie together later. I think that was more the case so far. But I can already feel the lines forming a net behind the curtain, it’s not just a feverish savant ‘making it work’, it feels more and more like there’s something concrete waiting for us already
But maybe I’m wrong, time will tell
The cover story is unmissable, it's presented as a part of the story. So I'd say that it is fair to say that Garp has appeared earlier in the story and that the reader SHOULD know about it.
The story has already made it clear that you should read the cover story as Buggy met Alvieda in the cover story and that went on to be important so I think it counts as a part of the "main story". These aren't suplements, they are a part of the chapters as they release and tie into the story.
Exactly, it is literally just page 1 of every chapter...I think calling it "cover story" is what makes many people assume it is some kind of extra content, when it's not
It's not unmissable, as the story can be a little hard to follow if you read it going chapter-by-chapter, and it's punctuated by non-canon cover arts with random animals.
@@IamGrimalkin It's literally not unmissable, of course. But I'm talking in broad strokes where the story and layout makes it clear that you should read it. It's clearly presented as a part of the story and most people catch it, if you don't it's your fault for not paying attention.
@@IamGrimalkinit is missable, but only if you don't pay attention at all, because cover stories have their name, number and a explanation of what is happening written alongside the art.
@@joaofranscisco7817 It's really only missable if you're the sort of person who flips through a book and starts two pages past the chapter title.
Garp: “I’ll break a wall to fix a wall. Thats just the kind of guy I am!!!”
On the topic of missing cover stories, that’s just an anime-only problem. It’s quite impossible to miss them if you’re reading the manga. They’re LITERALLY the covers.
That said, there is a particular one coming up in the next arc. It has never been animated, and it is… “potentially” very important. I would recommend consulting with your mods, or maybe your patreon guys on how to read it when the time comes.
Which cover story you talking about?
@@blackknight6757 Trying to be careful here. It’s the one that starts on chapter 428, and ends on 474. Technically, they should already be reading it, at this point in the story. But it ends in the middle of the next arc, so it’s not safe to read for anime-only’s.
@raiserzero2 Oh, it's that one. Thanks! And yeah, I'd like them to read cover stories too and also the SBS segments.
9:19 funny thing is that lulu and tilestone thought these two were the one who attacked iceberg.
Note: his Grandpa was appeared "before" One Piece started: "Romance Dawn Version 2" (a short before One piece started)
It got also an animated version in a special episode :D
As you've learned from the Live Action, there are good pirates and there are bad pirates. There are also good marines and bad marines. It's up to you to decide who is who.
Has the boldcast crew ever discussed reacting to the manga cover stories? Several are going to be relevant soon-ish, and one in particular tends to blow OP theorists minds.
They NEED to see the Enel one
I am sure people have said this l9ng ago on patreon or in this comment section but if you notice Robin now calls them by their names instead of mr cook or mr swordsman or navigator after they saved her
Make sense 😂
ah yes! the dragon and garp reveal is THE og "reveal" for one piece. i remember watching this as a kid on my parents little shitty box-tv and being HYPED as all hell
I like to think that Garp's training is another reason why Luffy was able to learn Shave so fast and Koby having learn after training with Garp kinda supports it.
Man, i love Micheal and Hoicheal.
Now for One Piece at a time:
Welcome to Oda's original plan for One Piece: the Four Emperors.
Acording to Oda this was the original scope of the story but after the introduction of the Warlords he has to push the Emperors for later
So yeah one of the reasons why One Piece is SO long is thanks to the Warlords.
And it's all because of Mihawk 🐐
oh shit so the four emperors were always a thing? I guess i should've taken that as fact but just hearing this now jsut feels wild.
@@sarafontanini7051 tbf, you sort of start to sea the concept of "Emperors" or leaders of the sea with Kuro before his "capture", Don Krieg and Arlong. They're sort of the leader with what we now know as East Blue.
That final shot before the To Be Continued was also the cover for the post Enies Lobby volume of the manga.
Also, since Toei never animated it, here's a rundown of what happens to CP9 after Enies Lobby as per the CP9's Independent Report cover story:
* Blueno saves Rob Lucci from the rubble, but he is still unconscious. The CP9 gather and learn that Spandam pushed the blame of Enies Lobby on them.
* They escape to an island nearby carrying Rob Lucci and try to raise money for his treatment doing odd jobs like Jabra does circus acts, Kaku plays with kids, and Kalifa cleans the town with her soap abilities.
* Rob Lucci recovers. They hang out for a while in the town and save the people from pirates. They commandeer the pirate ship and sail off to their home turf where the next generation of cipher pol is being trained and they just observe that.
* Marnies show up to try and capture them, but they are easily defeated. Lucci contacts Spandam who is still recovering from Robin's attack and tells him that he will return some day.
That's all you need to know for now.
One of the earliest drafts of one piece has Garp as the pirate that inspires luffy and gives him the hat. Most people hadn't seen that before his reveal but die hard fans in japan definently knew.
If you're reading this Carson and Lindsey, the Warlords and Emperors are two different titles that aren't associated with each other. The only thing in common they have is that they're 2 of the 3 great powers in the world.
I love how the fourth person in one of the four emperors is just a really mysterious person.
It's charlos with his head smashed in
I really like that you guys are analyzing Garp and his position in the world. Keep that kind of thinking
you already forgot that in the live action. Garp already told coby as to why he did'nt want to be promoted in the admiral position
Masashi kishimoto can only create 3 characters : naruto, sasuke and sakura. that's why every team from every generation has those 3 characters.
This video will be in atleast top 10 viewed videos of this channel, Power of Garp the fist & huge lore drop
That's our Garp, master of dropping bombs! 😉
And yeah, we actually heard about Michael and Hoichael earlier in the arc. They were mentioned in sort of a "blink and you'll miss it" joke, so I wouldn't blame anyone for not remembering the reference, especially after all the chaos we just went through in the interim, lol. 😆
Garp kicked Dragon's face using a hard shoe, and that's where Dragon got his tattoo.
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Put spoiler tag please.
Now you can go back to the live action and see Dragon's "cameo" in Loguetown in the prologue during Roger's execution along with the Revolutionary Army easter egg in the newspaper in the last episode next to Luffy's wanted poster that Kaya's reading. Fun times. I can't wait for so many more easter eggs and more of these reactions
Finally I have been waiting for both of you to reach this episodes. This was the big reveal. With the Father. Very big difference from the Live Action. Garp is actually the father of Dragon and Grandfather of Luffy since when Garp was a kid he looked like Luffy and when he was a young marine he looked like Dragon. Plus Garp calls Dragon "his son". Not gonna tell more since it's a spoiler territory.
About Garp being a "good" marine. It will be explained along the way. So no worries.
Not to be pedantic, but I personally think Garp and Dragon are related by marriage, not blood. I don't recall Garp ever specifically referring to Dragon as his "son". They definitely feel more like in-laws to me lol
@@ICavalcadeI he does in the future, hes the son of garp
@@ICavalcadeI Spoiler for something that will be in the anime in a few weeks from now.
Garp has called Dragon his son in chapter 1087
@@ICavalcadeI He called him his son in the manga but i dont remember the exact chapter. But personally I also feel like there's a chance they're still not blood related and that garp just generally sees his son in law the same as his real son or that maybe he still raised dragon together with his own daughter.
To be honest, I still don't entirely know where Garp stands.
There are some hints, to be sure; but we're still not sure why he's a Marine and what things he's done in his past.
It's funny you mention Garp seeming to come out of nowhere cause one of my complaints with the anime is that since they stopped adapting the cover stories tons of characters show up again without really establishing how they got there.
you guys keep on pumping content and i love it!
luffy cut his eyes because he want to be tough so he can set sail with shank..i think the reason he cut at that place is because he see his grandpa as tough guy...
One piece can be shorted to: GARP ITS YOUR FAMILY AGAIN!
Carson said Doflamingo and bro has no idea who he is yet, lol his name just holds so much aura
Buggy as one of the four great pirates is crazy😂😂😂
I know guys chill
I want buggy to become an emperor 😤
27:24 All of CP9 Saga, from the moment the Merry got stuck on those sea-rails by Kokoro's station, was a set up for the reveal that puberty hit Coby *like a train*
These next reactions gonna be insane!
Dragon’s not an Emperor because he’s not a pirate.
Whitebeard and Shanks are the only Emperors known at this point in the story. The other two will be revealed in time.
Thriller Bark is my absolute favorite, can’t wait for yall to see it haha
Rewatching those episodes with yall make me realize how good one piece is frl😂 especially the 314 ep
in the original romance dawn, Garp had taken the place of Shanks (a pirate who mentored luffy and was the reason luffy got the gum gum fruit via stupidity), so here its funny to have him instead be the OPPOSITE
In EL, the Franky Family declared that they are the Strawhat Pirates. I think that played a role as well on why the blame was placed only on the Strawhats. They'd be like the unnamed pirates a,b,c,etc for the Strawhats.😅😁
okay so one thing they dont really make clear enough i feel like - pirates, revolutionaries, marines and the world government are all reperate and different entities. the warlords are world government-sanctioned pirates, the four emperors are NOT - they are just incredibly strong so the navy doesnt really mess with them. which is why the government created the seven warlords. to have, together with the marines, 2 forces that, together, could possibly oppose the four emperors (or yonko, as theyre often called).
so what we know at this time:
◽pirates: includes the seven warlords (mihawk, doflamingo, blackbeard wants to be one, bartholomew kuma, crocodile WAS one, jimbei the fishman is one, the rest we dont know yet), also includes the four emperors (shanks, whitebeard, two unknowns at this point)
◽ marines: includes people like the 3 admirals, the fleet admiral sengoku whos the head of the marines
◽ world government: includes the five elder stars (the dudes we saw in jaya, theyre like the top TOP dogs in the government), the cp agents, most heads of states in the world (kings and such), and more we dont know yet). also the marines work FOR the world government.
◽ revolutionary army: includes dragon and his people.
all these fractions have their own stuff going on, but thats why luffys family is so crazy: garp is one of the top dogs in the marines, dragon is the head of the army that directly oppposes the government (the marines employer), and luffy and ace are crazy notorios pirates. absolute insanity at the family gatherings i presume.
but i think thats kinda the beauty of one piece: even before this was revealed, everyone was just cool with the fact that luffy was just. some dude. and i mean, he still kinda just is that - one piece makes it clear that blood relations are not as important as your found family, and luffy didnt even know dragon was his dad lol. he never even told them that a marine vice admiral was his granddad, or that his brother was a notorious pirate himself. i think thats really cool.
I think it was made blatantly clear there’s really no room for misinterpretation. They said pirates don’t mess with the navy or world government but the revolutionary army does separating them. The only one that could be confused is the navy and WG even though they are technically one the same since the navy works under the WG
@@nnightkingj thats great for you, but obviously it wasnt clear enough for these two. in almost every reaction i watch, people arent super clear on what the distinctions are, even though you think its obvious.
14:06 - "Harping on" is a great way to describe it. 😅 I hope you'll find that most story beats like this have a resolution, it just takes time to get there and it MAY take longer due to pacing.
FYI, Garp refusing to be promoted is a spoiler. I just wanted to let you know that you are not supposed to know about this at this point in the story. Obviously, there is a reason behind Garp's decision, but that's a spoiler and I hope nobody spoils you and you don't look it up.
I miss the watercolour backdrops and old artstyle too. Characters designs have already started to shift a little bit, Chopper has been pikachu'd slightly and has lost some of his snout and shaggy fur by this point.
you should really start reading the cover stories as you go along. Maybe on every arc wrap up you can read the cover story that accompanied that arc in the manga.
Been waiting for this one🍿
34:43 Most of the community still thinks that Garps Daugher is Luffys Mom (myself included) because them saying "so Dragon is Garps Son" is not really evidence for that imo.
It's easy to miss, but when they're talking about the Four Emperors and that graphic appears behind Garp (which you freeze-framed for discussion), *the fourth emperor's face is in the lower left*, mostly covered up by Garp's cape. I wish they made it clearer but I'm guessing they probably did that because that particular emperor's part in the main story wasn't finalized yet.
Anyway, I'm glad you reached this moment! Looking forward to the rest of the saga's wrap-up as well.
Don't think too much about the identities of the other two of the Four Emperors. These characters have not yet been seen or introduced to the story. As of right now, we have no idea who they are. Their identity will be revealed in the future.
if you re-watch the opening scene in the Live Action, you can see Dragon blending with the public during Roger's Execution.
Mozu and Kiwi are my favorite parts of these 2 episodes. The doing poses in the background bit cracks me up and if it were socially acceptable to do in real life I would totally be doing that.
Michael and hoichael They were originally suspected by Tilestone and Peepley Lulu to be the assassins who were after Iceburg
27:00 Priceless reactions like these is why this arc is so peak!
The post arc episodes/chapters are always the best , expands the verse so much .
They really tryna make dragon the bad guy, while the world government literally tryna obtain the ancient power. Look how scared all of em😂
Something that is also really nice is that a ship is a crews home. So now Robins home will be made of the same wood as the Tree of Knowledge that she used to consider home.
08:57 You're technically not wrong there, Carson.
Garp is goat. cant wait for you guys to reach the latest epsiode . haha
All the names of the Emperors are mentioned right there in the episode. You guys should watch it again.
Cover stories are impossible to miss tbh, either physically or digitally
I'm so excited for you guys to get to the next couple of arcs. ALL of your questions and concerns about these characters will be answered.
Sadly the Tree of Knowledge and the Jewel Tree Adam are two different types of trees
So those books and knowledge are no longer on Ohara 😢
To make it clear
Four Emperors (which is shanks, whitebeard, and two others), Seven Warlords, and the navy
These 3 are balanced forces in grandline
The Craziest Family In One Piece.
Shanks says "hi "
@@FirstName-es7nwHi 😁
3:20 Do it with a Don! 👀🥁
To be honest with you, the way Garp is incenced at Luffy's behavior kind of hints at something where you might be on the money: He says "you're impudent, even though you are only the kid of my kid!" To me, this has always been a subtle hint that Dragon was the son in law. But yeah, there are other materials (official ones) that kind of state that Dragon is Garp's son. They could be retconned in the future, of course, but...
Welcome to tge new standard formula going forward. The small spaces in-between arcs are someone the community's favorite thing about One Piece. It's now Lore Piece!
Finally I couldn’t wait for yall to get to dis part 😅 everytime yall would ask about Dragon It took a lot outta me to not spoil😂😂
So far there has been no mention of Garp refusing to be promoted to Admiral and it is interesting how long it will take to find out as it makes more sense in a future when the world building continue to expand.
I also thought for a second that maybe Smoker was Luffy's dad the first time I watched this 😂 I didnt remember Dragon at all until the flashback came in
One thing when it comes to Garp is it's not clear if prior to this point Garp was planned to be "Hero of the Marines".
He's introduced as a Vice-Admail in the cover story, but if he was planned and revealed to be just a random Vice Admiral, he would have felt less of a big deal than what we got.
Dragon was always a big deal though.
100% agree that One Piece doesn't really just revolve around Luffy. The OP world is so vast, so many characters and plot lines that will interconnect somehow which is really really great for a story telling standpoint. I personally didn't love one piece just by the characters alone but the in depth story or lores around it.
The next arcs after this arc, will be the 1st peak of Oda dishing out his Story! Can't wait for you guys to react on it!
as Robin said, pirates don't engage with the govt. revolutionaries do. so Dragon is not a pirate is the clear insinuation. the 4 emperors are proper pirates.
This time of year is perfect timing for the next arc.
such a great episode, love the big reveal!~ thanks for the reaction guys ^.^
Worth noting that fan translations of Adam called it the "jewel tree", which communicates the idea of it being not just precious and valuable, but durable as well. No idea which is more accurate between Jewel or Treasure, but it's an interesting note.
If its just a fan translation then obviously treasure tree is more accurate
@@georockmann7113I wouldn't default to the official translation just because it's official, especially this early on. After all, those errors and the refusal to correct them later once they knew better is how the official manga translation got stuck with the name Roranoa Zolo. I'm just saying that human error is a thing, and the translations have been shown to be wrong on occasion, as well as a preference to staying consistent over accurate.
I think that they mentioned Garp being one of the few that hunted Roger, somewhere in the manga, before the reveal 😂...
but anyway I think that the cover stories are very integral to the manga, you should not skip them if you read it
I don't know if Dragon's ties to Luffy were set in stone from the start (I suspect they were), but his importance to the world definitely was from his first appearance. His first appearance had Smoker being completely shocked that Dragon would show up and help a seemingly random pirate, which shows he was meant to be a big deal, even then Especially since Smoker doesn't even try to fight him despite getting in the way, suggesting that Dragon either significantly outranks him in the marines, or is a known third party who is so strong that Smoker flat out knows he won't win and doesn't even try. But we actually learn more about Dragon between then and now which is proof he's been meant to be important even before this. During Drum Island, we get more info during Dalton's flashback of Vivi's interaction with Wapol at the Reverie. While Dalton is remembering it, we get a brief explanation that the Reverie is a meeting between the royalty of the world where they discuss global affairs. And during the flashback to that reverie, the royalty name drops Dragon, mention that he's stirring up trouble as a revolutionary, and that he could become a major threat later on. So his role in the world was already revealed during a completely different flashback that had nothing to do with him at all.
Never liked the Scheming Garp of LA.
Never in all the 1125 chapters of manga has he acted like a sly fox. He is as abrupt as it gets and is treated like a force of nature.
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Complete agreement.
In LA he either whines all the time or acts like just another stuck up marine..
There is a worldwide notion when discussing The Big 3, unlike Naruto and Bleach where you have of course the main protagonist and how he affects the world throughout their stories, as for Luffy’s Journey, it is written as an IMMENSE world, and how it changes throughout the story, ultimately affecting Luffy’s and the Strawhat’s journey. It is a story of a grand world ever-changing (in which yall have no idea yet) and how our Captain has to manage his way through these political powers thus changing not the world but each island/destination he visits #peak
Part of the beauty of One Piece's world building and story telling is how simply each element is presented at any given time, yet over time all of these simply presented threads are woven into a very complex, intricate, and beautiful tapestry.
That's one of the reasons why One Piece's extreme length very much works in its favor. It allows the true scope of the world and what's going on within it to be revealed slowly, in easily understood bits that are connected to each other gradually. And so a silly, goofy story about gimmicky pirates in a world filled with child-like wonder is slowly able to build itself into an epic that can rival the classics.
I know that teens grow fast but the way Coby completely changed his whole face in just a few months is insane lmao
This channel has the best discussions man 💯
Doflamingo amd blackbeard are not emperors, neither is even the strongest warlord. Also each emperor crew is on par with the entirety of the marines and the world government they are crazy strong.
“Your Dad is the Most Wanted Revolutionary!…Forget i said that!”😂😂😂😂
35:58 "The world doesn't have to revolve around Luffy"
Oda's worldbuilding skills rival Tolkien's imo. As invested in the main cast as we are, you really get the sense that what Luffy and the crew are getting up to is a small drop in the ocean compared to the world at large. It really gets you hyped up about what's to come!
If you look closely, very few people in the series have pinpoint eyes, and all three of these characters do.
Also, post arc lore dumps are a thing and they are awesome
Maybe it's a bit silly to say this, but you two would have been killers in One Piece theory if you had followed the show week by week. Who knows? Maybe once you catch up with all the episodes? (in a million years)
Ehh, at 2 eps per upload it'll only be a few years. I'm sure One Piece will still be going by that point haha
Without spoiling anything: One deai of Dragon is that he has a great sense of direction 😂
Ah yes, Luffy's whole family tree...except for his mom and grandma. 😮💨
44:16 oh I love that you questioned that! i hope you realize it once we get to a certain arc
sabaody
A buster call walking into ur home. 😮😮
Aokiji mentions Luffy's grandfather after the Davy Back fight.
Otherwise this is the first time we encounter him in the main story.
3:39 cutest reaction ever hahaha when she realized franky spent the crew money xDD
It runs in the genes
Introduction of the Four Emperor in this episode is the most important for me cause this totally change the power level in one piece and also this totally change the story and make it more complicated , Warlord are strong but when we compare to the Four Emperor , the warlord are nothing except certain Warlord
Dragon can’t be an emperor because he is not a pirate, he’s a Revolutionist.