No Nik, way way way before the beef with corey I already had a problem with this weird dude. Since his message about Em's daughter, when he was mid 20ies and she a teen. He's such a weirdo and his music is not good enough to overshadow his sick character, so no muffingirlkid for me, never ever. Other things: being elitists of genres.
@Dragon Ball fans can't read No it'd definitely the metal scene. Most metal fans are very close minded people that don't like when bands branch out and try to grow their name.
@Dragon Ball fans can't read Standards are one thing, but when standards aren't allowing a band to grow in size then the standards become invalid and wrong
@@leagueoflemons6844 Here's the thing, though. I'd wish modern metal bands could be as big as they used to be back in the 80's. Problem being that the industry and the audience has changed so much that if at all this is only possible by one of two things. You either work your butt of over a very long period (and be lucky to hit a nerve) or you lower your own standards so much that your music becomes acceptable for parts of the mainstream audience, at which point, unluckily, it isn't real metal anymore. Now I don't even mind things not being metal, I also listen to rap, some hip hop and a few select pop artists. And I certainly don't mind artists wanting to be commercially successful with their music. But at least be honest about it instead of pretending that it's still all about the art when it clearly isn't.
The only thing actually hate as a metalhead is when people think it's just yelling into a mic and don't realize the amount skill and practice it takes to even sound close to a lot of the metal vocalist. There's even a science to it. TheCharismaticVoice even made a video where they stuck a camera down Will Ramos's throat to see what his vocal cords did when he did his vocals. insane stuff.
Seriously. I’ll give teenagers a pass since they’re still tryna figure things out but when it’s an adult it’s just weird as hell. Like no one else cares about your favorite bands dude. I know no one cares about mine
Man, for years I played live shows and went to shows with no ear protection. Practiced my drums with a PA system blasting. You know how you get a ringing in your ears after being exposed to loud noises for an extended time? That happened to me all of the time and by the next day, the ringing would be gone. Until it wasn't. I've had tinnitus for 7 years now. I will never know what it's like to hear silence again. There is always a hissing/ringing in my right ear. It took a long time to just adjust to it and learn to live with it. But it really sucks. People ABSOLUTELY need to protect their ears. Tinnitus is fucking obnoxious.
Don't have the ringing, but I can tell my hearing has gone down hill. I'm not even 30 yet and looking my fiance in the face I have to ask her to repeat herself
@@MySkilletfan Part of me wants to say that I'd rather have less hearing than the constant ringing, but when I think about it, they both seem terrible. Protect your hearing. It's not gonna get better with age, haha!
Yeah tinnitus fucking sucks. I got it from going metal/hardcore shows in small venues and standing at the front or next to speakers and stuff. Wish I had known about ear protection back then but I guess part of being young is making those kind of mistakes. Worth it for some of the memories I have.
I was in my 40s by the time my foolish ass finally wised up and started wearing earplugs at concerts. I have documented hearing damage and can't afford to lose any more. They are made for concerts and I can still hear everything - just at a reasonable volume. Hearos is the name of the plugs. Everyone should pick up a set.
@@hensoakira difference between people hating a band for becoming popular naturally and people who hate a band completely softening their sound to become popular
7:10 i actually think its kinda nice when newer bands sound like older ones, because you can hear what bands has a huge impact on their music it’s basically fan fiction but metal
same here especially when they give credit where credit is due. thats why i dont like or care for greta vanfleet cause they said that they dont sound like led zepplin nor have they given credit for LZ sound or music like what?! but yeah bringing back the older sounds is awesome in my book.
Metal is a slowly evolving structure that keeps going back and forth between what is acceptable. Like, Slaughter To Prevail reminds me so much of 2000s myspace deathcore, when that genre was pretty much dead in the 2010s. It's weird to have that come back like "Did I accidentally just put on All Shall Perish?"
@@mrcrustnasty3574 it was Corey who dissed MGK. He started the whole shit talking. Corey is the biggest bully in metal scene right now and people need to realize that.
@@joonasvuomajoki2636 Corey wasn’t even the one who started it tho? you honestly need to go back and do your research first, before you attempt to talk shit lmao.
@@UndyingHatred_ yeah he was. MGK talked some shit about rockstars not looking like rockstars with their comfortable shoes without targeting anyone in particular. To which Corey responded with a condescending gatekeeping remark about people coming to the genre after "failing" in some other genre. So yeah it was Corey who stratred to talk shit about Colson.
I don't understand people's beef with Poppy. Even if she isn't "real metal", she's still a great transition artist for people who want to get into metal. I know that's what happened with me. And she's still one of my favorite artists to this day.
2:26 YES, it feels like literally no one else acknowledges this. His constant beefing right after that album came out was the real catalyst for people (including myself) changing their minds. MGK needs to learn that rock fans nowadays usually don't value the same kind of personalities that rap fans do. A bit of humbleness would've gotten him far
People in rap don't like random beefs either. Like yes if there is a real reason go for it but just out of nowhere beef for attention is lame. That is why shady bullied him out of rap.
I believe in separating the art from the artist. I still love MGK's I think I'm OKAY and album Tickets to my Downfall, as a matter of fact, forget me too with Halsey was my most played song on Spotify in 2021. He's put out a lot of bangers within the past 3 years, but as a person, holy crap he needs to swallow his ego and stop picking fights he can't win.
@@DaygoKid94 oh yeah I know, it's just beefs in general are something a lot of rap fans get invested in and that just doesn't tend to be the case in much of the rock/metal world
@@tvbnine793 Same. I don't consider myself a fan of artists who I think are bad people (and I never financially support them), but I do let myself enjoy their music. Some genres you literally can't get into unless you are capable of doing that, like black metal or martial industrial
I saw Motorhead as my first concert ever. Was deaf for 3 days afterwards. Thought it was because of "virgin ears" and saw them again many year later. Nope, not virgin ears, they cranked the volume beyond the limit. Man it's just a wall of sound (a giant HISSSSSS) if you don't have hearing protection in. I always wear hearing protection going to shows now, but it's kind of sad how I lost some of my hearing because of them (have done hearing tests through work).
The thing with the "name 3 songs" is that if you like one song from a band, then you can't necessarily say you are a fan of the band You can say you're a can of the song But that shouldn't stop you from representing the band
I think a better " test" would be "what's your favorite song," and if they pick a song that wasn't released as a single, then they prolly listen to full albums. Like someone can say they like Metallica, master of puppets, nothing else matters and One. Doesn't exactly sound like I listen to the album(s) those come from even tho I can name those songs. Of course, I think if someone spent money for merch then that is fine no matter how many songs they listened to or if they listened to everything and a single is still their favorite. Just think the three songs was always so silly, that's my point lol.
I’ve been listening to some bands for nearly a decade, but if somebody came up to me and asked for three song titles, I’d panic and draw a blank. Imposter Syndrom.
I'm more of a believer of "if i don't like more than three songs on an album, i don't like it..." same goes for calling myself a fan of a band. I gotta like the majority of their albums rather than one or two
MGK Admitted on his Hulu documentary that he was wrong for saying some things and he should’ve just let it go and that he learned from it. If we aren’t going to allow people to own up to their mistakes that I’m not really sure what we’re all doing here
there's no such thing as forgiveness in this world since we can't forgive ourselves. once u do something, that is it and ur branded. we also don't know how to communicate anymore.
@ mgk made a tweet a while back (probably deleted now) about 13 / 14 / 15 year old girls when he was 19 saying they “shouldn’t be allowed to be so hot” because it “makes him feel like a creep” as well as a comment that he made about a celebrity (don’t remember who) on live tv calling her hot and then saying that if he got the chance he wouldn’t even wait until she was 18
I have to disagree with the MGK take on this video. Nobody in the metal scene loved MGK. He was loved by his regular fans for his hop hop stuff. My personal dislike as well as others actually started when he attacked Eminem on a song and I'm sure other metalheads would agree with me as well. Then he got even more hated when he made the switch over to the rock scene and taking shots at other artists. Not saying you're wrong but from my perspective, he was never loved by the metal scene Edit: Forgot to mention he made immature and weird comments about Eminems daughter on Twitter. That's another reason why fans including metalheads don't like him.
was looking for this comment and wasn't disappointed. he's an insufferable person in general who thrives off attention, negative or not. i just don't listen to his music because giving him attention is exactly what he wants.
Jonathan Young made a good point when he was criticizing the metal community for being too afraid of being called gay to try anything new. Guy made a laser pirate power metal album entirely with synthesizers and it kicked ass.
Can’t everyone just respect that everyone has different music tastes and hang out with people that have the same tastes as them if it bothers them that much? It’s not that hard
My brother in law had an extra ticket to their concert in Nashville last month(same week as Knotfest Roadshow which was an amazing show) and asked me to go. I hadn't heard anything really from them since Pray for Plagues/Chelsea Smile, Count You're Blessings/Suicide Seasons so that's what I was expecting as I really enjoyed those albums but had'nt kept up with them. Boy was I ever wrong. He deliberately didn't tell me just how far removed and poppy they sound now cause he knew I wouldn't have went lol. As soon as they started playing I'm like wtf is this shit dude, are you sure this is the same band, this the stuff my wife listens to and come to find out she does like them currently. I've never seen such a dramatic transformation in style within the same "genre". I waited the entire thing hoping they'd play at least ONE song I knew from their old stuff to no avail. Needless to say I couldn't stand it lol but good on them for changing so dramatically and finding success cause the place was PACKED. I did see plenty of Count Your Blessings and Suicide Seasons shirts despite them not having anything from that era at the merch table. I wish they would play at least one song from the era at shows though cause it is their history and what made them famous originally and I'm sure plenty of their fans would appreciate it.
About earplugs, I agree, but I think at some point, we need to have a conversation about the loudness in concerts. If everyone has to wear earplugs, what's the point of setting everything as loud as it is?
I absolutely agree. I love loud music, but I will never understand the reason for playing music so loud that you can barely distinguish any tones. Most metal concerts would go just as hard at half the volume.
Lol absolutely. I gotta say though, that new album is hard to listen to for me. Just sounds so generic and "Stone Sourish" to me. I was a big fan of their last two albums, but that new album is my least favorite since AHIG. After hearing what Jim Root said about it being rushed and the writing process, it makes a lot of sense.
@@kizuato2073 I think maybe they were just so ready to be done with that label, they just said "fuck it, release it" lol. Hopefully they release some quality stuff without a label pulling strings now.
The band shirt thing is seeing someone wearing it and you try to have a conversation with them, it gets awkward , worse if you introduce them to a song or two and they shit talk it. It feels like they are shitting on your taste.
About the changing music part. It's about balance. Don't keep the exact same sound, but when you do change it up don't stray so far that you sound like a completely different band. Evolving is good, turning into a completely different band all of a sudden? Bad.
Yea and even if people gon say "they are just the copy of the band" they are still giving a nice hommage to their inspirations and thats a really nice thing to see !
I think all of us wish our favorite bands stuck with the style that made them. Bands far too often evolve into something we wish they didn't. But when they do and it's wildly uber amazing, it feels so damn good. Meshuggah is my number 1 and every album hits like a 60 ton machine. And i get fangirl about every release
I think one is 'not everyone will be into death or black' I think some metalheads look down on more palatable genres like gothic or symphonic because they more popular.
That only holds true because EDM Peeps are way too busy figuring Out how they are super Special with their own little Genre they created among the 160 Other documented Genres. As a huge edm and Dubstep Fan, I Had These discussions about people going all *bUt ItS TrOPicAl NeUrO FunK* on you because you Missgenred their Favorite Song. Its almost more obnoxious tbh. The sheer need to Out yourself as a nerd about theory is very strong in some people.
I’ve seen people complain about both bands changing their sound and keeping it the same. Before Ire a lot of parkway drives fanbase complained they didn’t change their sound, then as we know today a lot of those same people complain they changed their sound. Same thing happened with the amity affliction before misery came out. People complained when they didn’t change up their sound but again a lot of those same people complained when they caved in. Basically if you’re in a band there’s no winning
it's because bands are allowed to change their sound but ONLY in ways that a particular fan likes, if they want to do their own thing and have fun in "unacceptable" ways, they'll get dragged
@@elenuvien Yeah and that's also the thing, A band can't simply just ask one fan what do they want to hear because then the other 100 if not thousands of other fans are gonna ask the same thing and we'll let's be real bands aren't Santa Clause so they can't make it happen.
Never had an issue with parkway before IRE but Amity I was already over the sound they started to overdo in Chasing Ghosts, like my least favourite song on Youngbloods is literally Youngbloods and they started to implement that sound more and more each album, so if anything they had a pretty natural progression, just a really bad one in my opinion
I'll never complain abt a band not sounding the same on every record. August Burns Red get this criticism a lot, but usually from ppl who never liked them in the first place, from my experience. If anything, most fans I've talked to are thrilled that they're not taking the PWD/Architects route and instead staying true to their original sound.
Eh, I've tried to vibe with em but the issue with ABR is that they usually don't do vibes/melodies in their songs. Which makes it spoken word more than metal.
The thing about bands changing their sound is that their new sound is usually way worse than their original sound. It's usually more dumbed down and commercial and or just plain bad. I can't think of a band off the top of my head that stayed consistently good despite changing their overall vibe, but I'm a bit picky so this may not apply to the general public.
I've been to shows where they didn't have an encore, they did however mention during the last songs "this is the 2nd last song, no encore", then....this is the last song...and they lived true to it. It worked out okay that way.
Some people don't need ear protection. I remember being able to touch the speakers at a Slayer/Hatebreed concert 20 years ago and always have exceptional hearing test at work. TV ruined my eyes though lol
MGK made Tommy Lee endearing. Being a metal head means I get to go to shows for 10-20 dollars. Perks. Also, my son played me a song from Pantera the other day, and I knew it was the first track from Cowboys from Hell. Still can't remember the name haha. Chanting one more song is typically to allow the headlining band a breather for the closer. Lorna Shore just did that recently. My son was lucky enough to get a set-list. Editing more: DO NOT see Angelmaker without ear plugs.
I think the name 3 songs thing does ring true a little. It's like, you're a metalhead, you see a person in the street wearing a shirt of that band you love, you;re stoked, you want to chat with them. Then they know nothing about them. I think it's like sports fans seeing someone wearing a jersey of thier team, you talk to them, and they say, oh I don't watch sports.
I see so much heat and misplaced angst aimed at Lorna Shore for releasing the "same song over and over" and I never agreed with that sentiment. It's their style and they remain true to it.
I like Poppy and if Baby Metal is acknowledged as Metal then I say Poppy can too. I also like when bands change their sound to a certain extent like that's why Ice Nine Kills, Avenged Sevenfold, and Linkin Park are tied as my number one band you never know what you're in for with new albums because they change it up but also keep their defining features. Also as someone who grew up on Classic Metal and Rock I do find Riffs and guitar solos very important for me to love a song but I also think lyrics might be the think I value most.
The earplug gripe... I feel like I'm the only idiot who wears them at a concert. I went to a Devin Townsend show in Prague. The sound in the pit was so loud and sharp I saw a bunch of people cupping their ears. I handed out 5 pears of foam earplugs to whoever asked for them.
I've only just got over my fear of new stuff from 10 years ago, I'm old and cant keep up! 😂 In 20 years time I'll be going mad for the stuff being released now, I'll love it.
"One more song " is never going anywhere I JUST SAW SHADOW OF INTENT IN CHICAGO AND WE DID THE EXACT THING AND THEY PLAYED MALEDICTION My neck was swore for a week lmao
about the one more song one.. total agree. EXCEPT when the venue has a strict curfew... when i saw Bullet For My Valentine several years ago at the Roseland Theater in Portland Oregon, they had started the intro to Tears Dont Fall part 2 and the house lights came on cause venue curfew .. so its disappointing when they dont get to do so
nik should make "i asphyxiated my bowels" his next niknxk song rawrrawrrawr i asphyxiated my bowels rawrrawrrawr choking on shiiiiiit rawrrawrawr need disposable towels rawrrawrrawr cleaning up my shiiiiit
8:14 - 8:40 Absolutely true. I hadn't listened to Dance Gavin Dance for even a full year before their bassist died of a drug overdose, and then Tilian was metooed. This is just one example of the many good bands that do stupid shit and cut a good thing short and ruin it for fans with their behavior.
The MGK hate train got old really fast. Also I remember in 2019, where I went to see MIW. Didn't bring any ear plugs and was sitting very close to the stage but not close to the pit and it sounded like a machine gun going off in my ears. It was fun as hell but holy shit! 😬 my ears wouldn't stop ringing for a few days and I had to wear ear muffs. Always bring ear plugs, trust me it ain't worth it. 👍
For sure man, happened to me at a slash gig. Don't even like Slash and they were ringing for a week. If you keep doing it, there will come a point where your ears never stop ringing.
Oh man, I was at Rammstein in September on their stadium tour and was close to the stage and my ears were ringing for two solid days after. Was worth it to me, was also my first ever concert !
the 3 songs thing is also a bit dumb seeing as most people use streaming services now and don't even look at the titles. but would recognize it if the songs played
On the TH-cam bullcrap you mentioned yesterday in stream: Don't beep the swearing, cut the audio. Ad analytics puts you into "kinda not ad friendly" category.
Some bands have a very distinct sound which people love. You can have variety in the songs but they'll still have their sound. S great example of that is Bury Tomorrow. Their new stuff is different but still feels the same.
6:54 When I saw Tremonti live this year, as they were approaching the end of their set, Mark said “We don’t do encores, theres no point” and I love that, because he’s right. I hope other bands start to see that, but at the end of the day it’s probably up to them, and if they want to do it. Then do it.
6:05 "I'm terrible at song names cuz its either 'I asphyxiated my bowels' or like 'Sadness'" SO FUCKING REAL I DIED OF LAUGHTER WHEN U SAID THE PHYSICS CALCULATIONS IN DJENT TITLES LMAO
I listen to alot of albums all the way through (it's kind of a litmus test for whether I would consider myself properly a fan or whether I only 'kind of/sort of' like a band). So, if an album has no filler, I never need to skip. If it doesn't have one absolute banger that stands out against all the other tracks I never have a reason to check the song titles... I can name most albums by a lot of bands.... I'd probably struggle with song titles though...
I had recently watched a couple of videos trying to understand my tastes in music better. This was a mistake. While I enjoy metal, trying to attach myself to a particular subgenre is basically impossible. I'd be like taking a gradient of Red and Green and saying "Find me where Red doesn't have any green in it" and then having everyone come to a consensus. Better yet, a crimson and Red gradient. Ultimately, I ended up with this: 1)is it theatrical? 2) can I apply it to a movie scene? Fight scene? Emotion? If it's a yes to any of these 2, I'll probably enjoy it. It's probably why I really like video game metal music like Doom and Metal Hellsinger. Just ticks all those boxes.
Riffs are most important IMO. With the exception of certain extreme vocals, the riff is what makes a song memorable. Sabbath, Rush, etc were so good partly because their riffs were sticky.
one of the times I saw dope live Edsel literally came out n said, 'yeah we can do the encore thing where we walk off stage y'all chant for us to come back n we waste your time. or we can just play one or two more songs in the time frame'. n I respect that
Honestly MGK really is fine. I have a few songs featuring him on my playlist, but nothing that mains him. His collabs with people are solid though, especially with CORPSE and The Used. Most of this list is primarily (and i believe intentionally meant to be) "Things Metal Boomers/Elitists Need to get Over." Also your too much of a good thing rant was beautiful. Edit: Also a song carried by a riff... Gwendydd - A Hypocrite in a Child's Eyes. That intro riff absolutely destroyed me, and then the song was just good enough to not ruin it, but would have been nothing without it.
I'm in my 50s, I never wore ear plugs at shows when I was young. I am now constantly followed by a swarm of Cicadas everywhere I go. Don't be dumb, wear your ear pro.
7:02 OKAY, not metal, but this happened to me this year! I was filming Country Concert in Fort Loramie, Ohio in July, and Morgan Wallen was headlining the final night. Drunk people threw stuff at him, he was mad about something else, and during his set skipped a song, then left and didn't come back on for this 3 SONG ENCORE. I was so confused, and it gave me a bad first impression of his live shows and his character.
I like Slayer, I like Zombie, I like Testament. Alex Skolnik from Testament is ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE!!! Chuck Billy from Testament is a unique singer, but Alex MAKES THE BAND to me, as a guitarist.
The "new bands sounding like classic bands" one probably refers to Greta Van Vleet, who I'm not a fan of, but I still find it weird to complain abt a new artist sounding like something you like I'd hardly call The Halo Effect an example of this tho, since it's literally just a new lineup of the group of ppl who created that sound in the first place.
Well, the “not changing sound” thing… I just saw somebody complaining on Pain Remains 2 about “Lorna Shore playing the same exact song over and over.” Uh, bruh. As far as the Zeppelin bit, people hate on those types of bands when they lie and say “we’re not trying to sound like them at all” like we’re all idiots.
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*What are some other things you think metalheads need to get over? Comment below!*
Why did they go mainstream?
my gut tells me number 16 first suggestion is more geared towards old metal heads that cant get over there child hood bands not being popular anymore
When metal fans complain when a band doesn't tour in front of their house.
No Nik, way way way before the beef with corey I already had a problem with this weird dude. Since his message about Em's daughter, when he was mid 20ies and she a teen. He's such a weirdo and his music is not good enough to overshadow his sick character, so no muffingirlkid for me, never ever.
Other things: being elitists of genres.
Can you do another cover song with the Ramos??
"Oh you like Metallica? Name three songs by them."
"Unforgiven."
THE HOLY TRILOGY
Gatekeepers man
master of stranger things
Frantic
The View
The biggest enemy to the metal scene is the metal scene
@Dragon Ball fans can't read No it'd definitely the metal scene. Most metal fans are very close minded people that don't like when bands branch out and try to grow their name.
@Dragon Ball fans can't read point proven
@Dragon Ball fans can't read Standards are one thing, but when standards aren't allowing a band to grow in size then the standards become invalid and wrong
@@leagueoflemons6844 Here's the thing, though. I'd wish modern metal bands could be as big as they used to be back in the 80's. Problem being that the industry and the audience has changed so much that if at all this is only possible by one of two things. You either work your butt of over a very long period (and be lucky to hit a nerve) or you lower your own standards so much that your music becomes acceptable for parts of the mainstream audience, at which point, unluckily, it isn't real metal anymore. Now I don't even mind things not being metal, I also listen to rap, some hip hop and a few select pop artists. And I certainly don't mind artists wanting to be commercially successful with their music. But at least be honest about it instead of pretending that it's still all about the art when it clearly isn't.
@@Eluarelon well said brother
The only thing actually hate as a metalhead is when people think it's just yelling into a mic and don't realize the amount skill and practice it takes to even sound close to a lot of the metal vocalist. There's even a science to it. TheCharismaticVoice even made a video where they stuck a camera down Will Ramos's throat to see what his vocal cords did when he did his vocals. insane stuff.
Almost this entire list can be boiled down to one thing. Stop making your taste in music your whole personality.
Seriously. I’ll give teenagers a pass since they’re still tryna figure things out but when it’s an adult it’s just weird as hell. Like no one else cares about your favorite bands dude. I know no one cares about mine
@@phaaaze9984 what are your favorite bands?
@@lens_hunter shhh he's trying to prove a point
Well I think if you’re a musician then its kind of understandable to make music most of if not your entire personality, but if not I agree with you
Yeah as a staring musician music is a big part of my life. Yes i do have other passions but i know more about music than i do about math lol
Man, for years I played live shows and went to shows with no ear protection. Practiced my drums with a PA system blasting. You know how you get a ringing in your ears after being exposed to loud noises for an extended time? That happened to me all of the time and by the next day, the ringing would be gone. Until it wasn't. I've had tinnitus for 7 years now. I will never know what it's like to hear silence again. There is always a hissing/ringing in my right ear. It took a long time to just adjust to it and learn to live with it. But it really sucks. People ABSOLUTELY need to protect their ears. Tinnitus is fucking obnoxious.
Don't have the ringing, but I can tell my hearing has gone down hill. I'm not even 30 yet and looking my fiance in the face I have to ask her to repeat herself
@@MySkilletfan Part of me wants to say that I'd rather have less hearing than the constant ringing, but when I think about it, they both seem terrible. Protect your hearing. It's not gonna get better with age, haha!
Yeah tinnitus fucking sucks. I got it from going metal/hardcore shows in small venues and standing at the front or next to speakers and stuff. Wish I had known about ear protection back then but I guess part of being young is making those kind of mistakes. Worth it for some of the memories I have.
Tinnitus sucks, I need a background vid while sleeping to distract myself from the constant ringing in my ears. Protect your ears, guys!
I was in my 40s by the time my foolish ass finally wised up and started wearing earplugs at concerts. I have documented hearing damage and can't afford to lose any more. They are made for concerts and I can still hear everything - just at a reasonable volume. Hearos is the name of the plugs. Everyone should pick up a set.
I think the list is missing when someone suddenly dislikes a band because they become “too mainstream”. 🙄🙄
That's why I never record my songs. 😅
Metalhead: metal is cool!
Non metalhead: hey, this is cool!
Metalhead: 😡
You know what, I kinda feel called out by this :D
Metallica fans in 1991
@@hensoakira difference between people hating a band for becoming popular naturally and people who hate a band completely softening their sound to become popular
7:10 i actually think its kinda nice when newer bands sound like older ones, because you can hear what bands has a huge impact on their music
it’s basically fan fiction but metal
Yea but greta van fleet sounds like a shitty version of Led Zeppelin tho
same here especially when they give credit where credit is due. thats why i dont like or care for greta vanfleet cause they said that they dont sound like led zepplin nor have they given credit for LZ sound or music like what?! but yeah bringing back the older sounds is awesome in my book.
Metal is a slowly evolving structure that keeps going back and forth between what is acceptable. Like, Slaughter To Prevail reminds me so much of 2000s myspace deathcore, when that genre was pretty much dead in the 2010s. It's weird to have that come back like "Did I accidentally just put on All Shall Perish?"
You forgot that MGK also did the Aerials thing
well, thanks to have reminded us of that abomination of a song cover.
That was abysmal.
I think MGK's cover of Aerials is probably the biggest thing the metal scene has a problem with
that and him disrespecting Slipknot
Indeed. My main issue with him is both his music is terrible, and he is a pompous ass
@@mrcrustnasty3574 it was Corey who dissed MGK. He started the whole shit talking. Corey is the biggest bully in metal scene right now and people need to realize that.
@@joonasvuomajoki2636 Corey wasn’t even the one who started it tho? you honestly need to go back and do your research first, before you attempt to talk shit lmao.
@@UndyingHatred_ yeah he was. MGK talked some shit about rockstars not looking like rockstars with their comfortable shoes without targeting anyone in particular. To which Corey responded with a condescending gatekeeping remark about people coming to the genre after "failing" in some other genre. So yeah it was Corey who stratred to talk shit about Colson.
I don't understand people's beef with Poppy. Even if she isn't "real metal", she's still a great transition artist for people who want to get into metal. I know that's what happened with me. And she's still one of my favorite artists to this day.
yessss
2:26 YES, it feels like literally no one else acknowledges this. His constant beefing right after that album came out was the real catalyst for people (including myself) changing their minds.
MGK needs to learn that rock fans nowadays usually don't value the same kind of personalities that rap fans do. A bit of humbleness would've gotten him far
People in rap don't like random beefs either. Like yes if there is a real reason go for it but just out of nowhere beef for attention is lame. That is why shady bullied him out of rap.
I believe in separating the art from the artist. I still love MGK's I think I'm OKAY and album Tickets to my Downfall, as a matter of fact, forget me too with Halsey was my most played song on Spotify in 2021. He's put out a lot of bangers within the past 3 years, but as a person, holy crap he needs to swallow his ego and stop picking fights he can't win.
@@DaygoKid94 oh yeah I know, it's just beefs in general are something a lot of rap fans get invested in and that just doesn't tend to be the case in much of the rock/metal world
@@tvbnine793 Same. I don't consider myself a fan of artists who I think are bad people (and I never financially support them), but I do let myself enjoy their music. Some genres you literally can't get into unless you are capable of doing that, like black metal or martial industrial
They should have also “please stop asking bands to come to brazil!”
or Argentina lol
Fans of racing should bring their bands to Brazil and Argentina.
Why
I saw Motorhead as my first concert ever. Was deaf for 3 days afterwards. Thought it was because of "virgin ears" and saw them again many year later. Nope, not virgin ears, they cranked the volume beyond the limit. Man it's just a wall of sound (a giant HISSSSSS) if you don't have hearing protection in. I always wear hearing protection going to shows now, but it's kind of sad how I lost some of my hearing because of them (have done hearing tests through work).
my boy Nik going for those 5th octave high notes when he's trying to comprehend humanity 🤌😂
6:48 Love that Rivers of Nihil made fun of this in a way on their new album. The fans chanting "One more song!" and them yelling stop to the crowd.
Did that a couple days ago when they opened for The Contortionist...
They were having none of it lol
Making fun of the people who pay for your lifestyle is awesome
I'm not a Metalhead, I love anything and everything, but love watching you and Tank's channels to have fun and learn. Keep being you 🔥
The thing with the "name 3 songs" is that if you like one song from a band, then you can't necessarily say you are a fan of the band
You can say you're a can of the song
But that shouldn't stop you from representing the band
I think a better " test" would be "what's your favorite song," and if they pick a song that wasn't released as a single, then they prolly listen to full albums. Like someone can say they like Metallica, master of puppets, nothing else matters and One. Doesn't exactly sound like I listen to the album(s) those come from even tho I can name those songs.
Of course, I think if someone spent money for merch then that is fine no matter how many songs they listened to or if they listened to everything and a single is still their favorite.
Just think the three songs was always so silly, that's my point lol.
I’ve been listening to some bands for nearly a decade, but if somebody came up to me and asked for three song titles, I’d panic and draw a blank. Imposter Syndrom.
I'm more of a believer of "if i don't like more than three songs on an album, i don't like it..." same goes for calling myself a fan of a band. I gotta like the majority of their albums rather than one or two
MGK Admitted on his Hulu documentary that he was wrong for saying some things and he should’ve just let it go and that he learned from it. If we aren’t going to allow people to own up to their mistakes that I’m not really sure what we’re all doing here
Yur
I wonder if he owned up to his comments about chasing underage girls...
there's no such thing as forgiveness in this world since we can't forgive ourselves. once u do something, that is it and ur branded. we also don't know how to communicate anymore.
@@ideitbawxproductions1880 Explain?
@ mgk made a tweet a while back (probably deleted now) about 13 / 14 / 15 year old girls when he was 19 saying they “shouldn’t be allowed to be so hot” because it “makes him feel like a creep” as well as a comment that he made about a celebrity (don’t remember who) on live tv calling her hot and then saying that if he got the chance he wouldn’t even wait until she was 18
I have to disagree with the MGK take on this video. Nobody in the metal scene loved MGK. He was loved by his regular fans for his hop hop stuff. My personal dislike as well as others actually started when he attacked Eminem on a song and I'm sure other metalheads would agree with me as well. Then he got even more hated when he made the switch over to the rock scene and taking shots at other artists. Not saying you're wrong but from my perspective, he was never loved by the metal scene
Edit: Forgot to mention he made immature and weird comments about Eminems daughter on Twitter. That's another reason why fans including metalheads don't like him.
He’s made …unsettling… comments about underage girls a few times.
@@Feverm00n exactly
was looking for this comment and wasn't disappointed. he's an insufferable person in general who thrives off attention, negative or not. i just don't listen to his music because giving him attention is exactly what he wants.
@@Feverm00n He's a groomer, but the people who throw that word around aren't looking for people like him.
@@stygio.medusa You could have just described Corey with that comment
Loudwire: Get over "Bet you can't name three songs!"
Also Loudwire: "COMPILATION OF POSERS GETTING EXPOSED"
Was shocked that Poppy was even shown. She's actually pretty cool. Weird person but cool music.
This. I love Poppy so much. Her I Disagree album was dope.
@@GnawedPupils yeah I disagree is what showed her to me. That album is kinda like a satire of bubblegum pop.
@@sillysiji5257 the amount of stupidity one encounters on social media can make it hard to resist complaining
Jonathan Young made a good point when he was criticizing the metal community for being too afraid of being called gay to try anything new. Guy made a laser pirate power metal album entirely with synthesizers and it kicked ass.
Cynic and Death both had half of the members be gay at one point. In the early 90s. Not really new lol
Can’t everyone just respect that everyone has different music tastes and hang out with people that have the same tastes as them if it bothers them that much? It’s not that hard
"Bet you can't even name 3 songs!"
Me: listens to some bands that don't even name their songs
as a deathcore enjoyer, sometimes i listen to new bring me the horizon, sometimes I enjoy it, and sometimes I don't, but that's okay too.
I agree like they’re both good just depends on what your in the mood for
My brother in law had an extra ticket to their concert in Nashville last month(same week as Knotfest Roadshow which was an amazing show) and asked me to go. I hadn't heard anything really from them since Pray for Plagues/Chelsea Smile, Count You're Blessings/Suicide Seasons so that's what I was expecting as I really enjoyed those albums but had'nt kept up with them. Boy was I ever wrong. He deliberately didn't tell me just how far removed and poppy they sound now cause he knew I wouldn't have went lol. As soon as they started playing I'm like wtf is this shit dude, are you sure this is the same band, this the stuff my wife listens to and come to find out she does like them currently. I've never seen such a dramatic transformation in style within the same "genre". I waited the entire thing hoping they'd play at least ONE song I knew from their old stuff to no avail. Needless to say I couldn't stand it lol but good on them for changing so dramatically and finding success cause the place was PACKED. I did see plenty of Count Your Blessings and Suicide Seasons shirts despite them not having anything from that era at the merch table. I wish they would play at least one song from the era at shows though cause it is their history and what made them famous originally and I'm sure plenty of their fans would appreciate it.
@@zackphy they do have some great metal albums after the Deathcore era, before they went to pop,
I highly recommend "there is a hell".
About earplugs, I agree, but I think at some point, we need to have a conversation about the loudness in concerts. If everyone has to wear earplugs, what's the point of setting everything as loud as it is?
I absolutely agree. I love loud music, but I will never understand the reason for playing music so loud that you can barely distinguish any tones. Most metal concerts would go just as hard at half the volume.
Real metalheads dont gossip or dont spend time bickering.
Were loyal to our music 100%.
The “when bands change their sound” portion must have been written by Corey Taylor himself
Lol absolutely. I gotta say though, that new album is hard to listen to for me. Just sounds so generic and "Stone Sourish" to me. I was a big fan of their last two albums, but that new album is my least favorite since AHIG. After hearing what Jim Root said about it being rushed and the writing process, it makes a lot of sense.
@@LTR1420 I just find it ironic that the album is called “the end, so far” when In actuality it’s probably just the end
Gottem
@@LTR1420 honestly think it sounds like absolute shit idk how they let it go out like that
@@kizuato2073 I think maybe they were just so ready to be done with that label, they just said "fuck it, release it" lol. Hopefully they release some quality stuff without a label pulling strings now.
The band shirt thing is seeing someone wearing it and you try to have a conversation with them, it gets awkward , worse if you introduce them to a song or two and they shit talk it. It feels like they are shitting on your taste.
I've literally never heard anyone complain when a band DOESN'T change their sound to be fair
About the changing music part. It's about balance. Don't keep the exact same sound, but when you do change it up don't stray so far that you sound like a completely different band. Evolving is good, turning into a completely different band all of a sudden? Bad.
I 100% agree on the "bands that sound like other bands" point. I love GVF exactly because they sound like Zeppelin.
That's why most people love Greta van fleet
Yea and even if people gon say "they are just the copy of the band" they are still giving a nice hommage to their inspirations and thats a really nice thing to see !
I think all of us wish our favorite bands stuck with the style that made them. Bands far too often evolve into something we wish they didn't. But when they do and it's wildly uber amazing, it feels so damn good.
Meshuggah is my number 1 and every album hits like a 60 ton machine. And i get fangirl about every release
In this day and age, People LOVE to bitch and complain about something.
Always have. People just have a better way to complain. Social media
Including you right here genius
I think one is 'not everyone will be into death or black'
I think some metalheads look down on more palatable genres like gothic or symphonic because they more popular.
Metal is probably one of the most gate-kept music genre ever.
Yep and much too elitists as well, metalheads take metal too seriously lol
*THE most gate-kept music genre ever by a huge margin.
That only holds true because EDM Peeps are way too busy figuring Out how they are super Special with their own little Genre they created among the 160 Other documented Genres.
As a huge edm and Dubstep Fan, I Had These discussions about people going all *bUt ItS TrOPicAl NeUrO FunK* on you because you Missgenred their Favorite Song.
Its almost more obnoxious tbh. The sheer need to Out yourself as a nerd about theory is very strong in some people.
I think that’s part of the reason it doesn’t have many fans
Good.
I’ve seen people complain about both bands changing their sound and keeping it the same. Before Ire a lot of parkway drives fanbase complained they didn’t change their sound, then as we know today a lot of those same people complain they changed their sound. Same thing happened with the amity affliction before misery came out. People complained when they didn’t change up their sound but again a lot of those same people complained when they caved in. Basically if you’re in a band there’s no winning
Perfect example of you're just never going to make everyone happy and there's nothing really you can do about it except just hope for the best.
@@jameshampton4772 exactly
it's because bands are allowed to change their sound but ONLY in ways that a particular fan likes, if they want to do their own thing and have fun in "unacceptable" ways, they'll get dragged
@@elenuvien Yeah and that's also the thing, A band can't simply just ask one fan what do they want to hear because then the other 100 if not thousands of other fans are gonna ask the same thing and we'll let's be real bands aren't Santa Clause so they can't make it happen.
Never had an issue with parkway before IRE but Amity I was already over the sound they started to overdo in Chasing Ghosts, like my least favourite song on Youngbloods is literally Youngbloods and they started to implement that sound more and more each album, so if anything they had a pretty natural progression, just a really bad one in my opinion
I'll never complain abt a band not sounding the same on every record. August Burns Red get this criticism a lot, but usually from ppl who never liked them in the first place, from my experience. If anything, most fans I've talked to are thrilled that they're not taking the PWD/Architects route and instead staying true to their original sound.
Eh, I've tried to vibe with em but the issue with ABR is that they usually don't do vibes/melodies in their songs. Which makes it spoken word more than metal.
August burns red is top tier :)
@@TimberWulfIsHere There's a few songs with strong melodies, bones for example
Back in like 2012 I saw ABR live and they sounded identical to the records they released.
@@NicoDoesLP I mean it’s a solid album dude. Fault line is a banger
The thing about bands changing their sound is that their new sound is usually way worse than their original sound. It's usually more dumbed down and commercial and or just plain bad. I can't think of a band off the top of my head that stayed consistently good despite changing their overall vibe, but I'm a bit picky so this may not apply to the general public.
I've been to shows where they didn't have an encore, they did however mention during the last songs "this is the 2nd last song, no encore", then....this is the last song...and they lived true to it. It worked out okay that way.
Some people don't need ear protection. I remember being able to touch the speakers at a Slayer/Hatebreed concert 20 years ago and always have exceptional hearing test at work.
TV ruined my eyes though lol
MGK made Tommy Lee endearing.
Being a metal head means I get to go to shows for 10-20 dollars. Perks.
Also, my son played me a song from Pantera the other day, and I knew it was the first track from Cowboys from Hell. Still can't remember the name haha.
Chanting one more song is typically to allow the headlining band a breather for the closer. Lorna Shore just did that recently. My son was lucky enough to get a set-list.
Editing more: DO NOT see Angelmaker without ear plugs.
Im gonna be waiting for that new TERMINA track "I asphyxiated my bowels"
Written by Procedurally generated music and an AI Lyrics generator 🤣
'Phrost
I think the name 3 songs thing does ring true a little. It's like, you're a metalhead, you see a person in the street wearing a shirt of that band you love, you;re stoked, you want to chat with them. Then they know nothing about them.
I think it's like sports fans seeing someone wearing a jersey of thier team, you talk to them, and they say, oh I don't watch sports.
I see so much heat and misplaced angst aimed at Lorna Shore for releasing the "same song over and over" and I never agreed with that sentiment. It's their style and they remain true to it.
I like Poppy and if Baby Metal is acknowledged as Metal then I say Poppy can too.
I also like when bands change their sound to a certain extent like that's why Ice Nine Kills, Avenged Sevenfold, and Linkin Park are tied as my number one band you never know what you're in for with new albums because they change it up but also keep their defining features.
Also as someone who grew up on Classic Metal and Rock I do find Riffs and guitar solos very important for me to love a song but I also think lyrics might be the think I value most.
"Thinking you only need sick riffs to write a good song"
Polyphia: /:
This is why i always memorize atleast 3 songs from bands i like so i can pass the test.
The earplug gripe... I feel like I'm the only idiot who wears them at a concert. I went to a Devin Townsend show in Prague. The sound in the pit was so loud and sharp I saw a bunch of people cupping their ears. I handed out 5 pears of foam earplugs to whoever asked for them.
You're not an idiot, you're smart.
@@molekyyli Thank you for your kind words, sir. :-D
I've only just got over my fear of new stuff from 10 years ago, I'm old and cant keep up! 😂 In 20 years time I'll be going mad for the stuff being released now, I'll love it.
Nick, you are a awesome guitarist! i wish you would play more!
There's plenty of music projects in the works - just cause you don't see it, doesn't mean it isn't happening. ;)
'Phrost
@@NikNocturnalTwitchClips nice
@@NikNocturnalTwitchClips Huh no, nik Nocturnal, that's how metal heads work, we absolutely NEED TO SEE it or it doesn't happen, pffft.. Duh
thrice changed their sound a bunch through out the years and i whole heartedly appreciate every itteration horizons is such a sick album man
"One more song " is never going anywhere I JUST SAW SHADOW OF INTENT IN CHICAGO AND WE DID THE EXACT THING AND THEY PLAYED MALEDICTION My neck was swore for a week lmao
about the one more song one.. total agree. EXCEPT when the venue has a strict curfew... when i saw Bullet For My Valentine several years ago at the Roseland Theater in Portland Oregon, they had started the intro to Tears Dont Fall part 2 and the house lights came on cause venue curfew .. so its disappointing when they dont get to do so
nik should make "i asphyxiated my bowels" his next niknxk song
rawrrawrrawr i asphyxiated my bowels
rawrrawrrawr choking on shiiiiiit
rawrrawrawr need disposable towels
rawrrawrrawr cleaning up my shiiiiit
8:14 - 8:40 Absolutely true. I hadn't listened to Dance Gavin Dance for even a full year before their bassist died of a drug overdose, and then Tilian was metooed. This is just one example of the many good bands that do stupid shit and cut a good thing short and ruin it for fans with their behavior.
Yeah, I broke down and bought ear plugs after a Fit for an Autopsy show where it took a full day for the tinnitus to go away.
Funny enough, same band did it to me. Sick show though.
You're not a metal proclaimed poser you're fucking amazing and I love you keep it up!
The MGK hate train got old really fast. Also I remember in 2019, where I went to see MIW. Didn't bring any ear plugs and was sitting very close to the stage but not close to the pit and it sounded like a machine gun going off in my ears. It was fun as hell but holy shit! 😬 my ears wouldn't stop ringing for a few days and I had to wear ear muffs. Always bring ear plugs, trust me it ain't worth it. 👍
For sure man, happened to me at a slash gig. Don't even like Slash and they were ringing for a week. If you keep doing it, there will come a point where your ears never stop ringing.
Oh man, I was at Rammstein in September on their stadium tour and was close to the stage and my ears were ringing for two solid days after. Was worth it to me, was also my first ever concert !
@@eulyxia5505 I would recommend you protect them in future lol the damage is permanent. Sounds like you had a blast though
the 3 songs thing is also a bit dumb seeing as most people use streaming services now and don't even look at the titles. but would recognize it if the songs played
I like that one poppy song where she sings "don't go outside." I relate to it somehow.
"Pho-mom-en-nom" 😂
Much love brother, thanks for being both an inspiration and entertainment 🤘
Greta is a local band and I personally think they are great and refreshing.
I love the sarcastic chaotic nature it's like a guy standing on mountain ranting on his hate for humanity
"Asphyxiated my bowels" is a song I'd listen to lmao 😂😂
I love your take on this. Just enjoy good shit
Said no metal elitist EVER..
On the TH-cam bullcrap you mentioned yesterday in stream: Don't beep the swearing, cut the audio. Ad analytics puts you into "kinda not ad friendly" category.
8:46 Clawfinger! You need three good riffs and a catchy hook line "I love rock n roll"
It's easy to remember so we sing it all the time.. :)
Some bands have a very distinct sound which people love. You can have variety in the songs but they'll still have their sound. S great example of that is Bury Tomorrow. Their new stuff is different but still feels the same.
6:54
When I saw Tremonti live this year, as they were approaching the end of their set, Mark said “We don’t do encores, theres no point” and I love that, because he’s right.
I hope other bands start to see that, but at the end of the day it’s probably up to them, and if they want to do it. Then do it.
I remember people were super mad when Metallica cut their hair
6:05 "I'm terrible at song names cuz its either 'I asphyxiated my bowels' or like 'Sadness'" SO FUCKING REAL I DIED OF LAUGHTER WHEN U SAID THE PHYSICS CALCULATIONS IN DJENT TITLES LMAO
I listen to alot of albums all the way through (it's kind of a litmus test for whether I would consider myself properly a fan or whether I only 'kind of/sort of' like a band). So, if an album has no filler, I never need to skip. If it doesn't have one absolute banger that stands out against all the other tracks I never have a reason to check the song titles... I can name most albums by a lot of bands.... I'd probably struggle with song titles though...
I literally only listen to Welcome Home by Koheed for the opening rift then turn it off so I’d say rifts can definitely make a song
i am so happy that bands aren’t as big. less stadium tours, more small venues, cheaper tickets, more shows.
Metal fans need to get over the fact people don't like metal, don't get metal, and don't appreciate metal.
Bro the upward inflections in you voice kills me 😂
Love it
'What's the point" is what I ask myself every morning when I have to get up.
I had recently watched a couple of videos trying to understand my tastes in music better.
This was a mistake.
While I enjoy metal, trying to attach myself to a particular subgenre is basically impossible.
I'd be like taking a gradient of Red and Green and saying "Find me where Red doesn't have any green in it" and then having everyone come to a consensus. Better yet, a crimson and Red gradient.
Ultimately, I ended up with this: 1)is it theatrical? 2) can I apply it to a movie scene? Fight scene? Emotion? If it's a yes to any of these 2, I'll probably enjoy it.
It's probably why I really like video game metal music like Doom and Metal Hellsinger. Just ticks all those boxes.
Riffs are most important IMO. With the exception of certain extreme vocals, the riff is what makes a song memorable. Sabbath, Rush, etc were so good partly because their riffs were sticky.
"metalheads" need to gatekeep harder, actually.
"Thinking you only need gross breakdowns to make a good song" fixed it for em.
The "thinking sick riffs make a whole song" thing.. oy. Nik, have you never heard riff salad?
The Halo Effect IS fkn In Flames. In Flames isn't even In Flames.
one of the times I saw dope live Edsel literally came out n said, 'yeah we can do the encore thing where we walk off stage y'all chant for us to come back n we waste your time. or we can just play one or two more songs in the time frame'. n I respect that
Honestly MGK really is fine. I have a few songs featuring him on my playlist, but nothing that mains him. His collabs with people are solid though, especially with CORPSE and The Used. Most of this list is primarily (and i believe intentionally meant to be) "Things Metal Boomers/Elitists Need to get Over." Also your too much of a good thing rant was beautiful.
Edit: Also a song carried by a riff... Gwendydd - A Hypocrite in a Child's Eyes. That intro riff absolutely destroyed me, and then the song was just good enough to not ruin it, but would have been nothing without it.
I feel like the only person that complains about bands NOT changing their sound is Anthony Fantano lmao.
Who disagrees on the “one more song?” Like that is a thing since like concerts started
I'm in my 50s, I never wore ear plugs at shows when I was young. I am now constantly followed by a swarm of Cicadas everywhere I go. Don't be dumb, wear your ear pro.
Bands who change their sound, asking alexandria, or specifically danny worsnop
7:02 OKAY, not metal, but this happened to me this year! I was filming Country Concert in Fort Loramie, Ohio in July, and Morgan Wallen was headlining the final night. Drunk people threw stuff at him, he was mad about something else, and during his set skipped a song, then left and didn't come back on for this 3 SONG ENCORE. I was so confused, and it gave me a bad first impression of his live shows and his character.
I was just caught off guard by the poutine ad lmao
I like Slayer, I like Zombie, I like Testament. Alex Skolnik from Testament is ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE!!! Chuck Billy from Testament is a unique singer, but Alex MAKES THE BAND to me, as a guitarist.
The "IN FLAMES" effect yeaahhhh
I know most of the members of The Halo Effect are from In Flames but The Halo Effect sounds more like Dark Tranquility than In Flames.
MGK just looks like Todd Howard just decided to delve into the metal scene and left it in a buggy mess, just like his games.
Look at GHOST!!!! they legit sound like a shit ton of old school vibes but they are still like badass af
Ghost sounds like an AI Generated metal band but the sad part is they aren't AI
Scooby doo rock
Blue Oyster Cult lol that’s what I think anyway
@@eunicee999 don't insult the cult like that 😭 the cult are actually pioneers of rock
@@jeanpitre5789 um Tobias actully says they took riffs from them and inspiration in a interview
The "new bands sounding like classic bands" one probably refers to Greta Van Vleet, who I'm not a fan of, but I still find it weird to complain abt a new artist sounding like something you like I'd hardly call The Halo Effect an example of this tho, since it's literally just a new lineup of the group of ppl who created that sound in the first place.
Well, the “not changing sound” thing… I just saw somebody complaining on Pain Remains 2 about “Lorna Shore playing the same exact song over and over.” Uh, bruh. As far as the Zeppelin bit, people hate on those types of bands when they lie and say “we’re not trying to sound like them at all” like we’re all idiots.