Great video! Yes, it's sad how most people never hear good recorder playing and judge it to be a toy because of its short introduction in schools. At the same time, that wide exposure presents a valuable opportunity if we can help improve it! This is one of my goals.
This is a good further point that the instrument is perceived as a toy. Often people buy instruments made of plastic, which are very cheap and have poor quality. In many cases, children enjoy them less than a high-quality recorder, for example, made of wood.
Every point you've made is spot on and it's great that a person with your credentials is addressing this issue. A few things that might also be considered: 1) The recorder is not a particularly resonant instrument. Unlike, say, the entire strings family that are all built around resonating chambers, or the brass family with their bells, or percussion with drums or tubes, the recorder produces its sound through wood or resin. Almost no harmonics or overtones are discernible. A very pure sound but perhaps not as satisfying played solo in a practice room. 2) The recorder isn't usually heard in its historical setting. It has come down to us through the centuries having sounded in the courts of kings and queens, the stone walled town squares of our ancestors and other places where its somewhat dry tone would have come alive echoing off the walls. (Really, don't you just love walking into a high ceilinged church hearing your own footsteps clicking off the walls knowing what those acoustics are going to do for your instrument?) Totally changes the sound. Would that it always be heard that way! 3) Recorders playing harmonzed parts instead of in massive unison sound amazing!!! Thanks for all your great vids!
Thank you for the detailed addition. I can confirm every point. Very few people know the recorder in a historical context, which is a pity. And of course a harmony instrument like a piano sounds fuller from the beginning than a single recorder part. The classrooms in schools are also usually very dry, which does not allow the sound to resonate.
Nach einem intensiven Blockflötenstudium verbrachte ich die letzten 24 Jahre vor meiner Pension an einer Musikschule im Elsass. Meine ganze Arbeit war darauf ausgerichtet, die Blockflöte als hochstehendes Instrument unter die Menschen zu bringen, was tatsächlich durch schlechte Ehrfahrung in der Schule VÖLLIG in Vergessenheit geraten war! Somit gibt es doch noch Hochburgen des Blockflötenspiels im Elsass und die alten Traditionen sind nicht ganz in Vergessenheit geraten! Wir Blockflötisten leisten Pionierarbeit und Deine Arbeit ist poppig und avangadistisch, BRAVO à toi! Sabine 😊
Wunderbar! Ja, wir Blockflötenlehrer leisten viel Arbeit, um das bestehende Image der Blockflöte zu verbessern. Schön zu hören; dass du ebenfalls viel dafür getan hast, um die Blockflöte als vollwertiges Instrument zu vermitteln.
I am madly in love with the recorder. I loved it as a kid in primary school, then played clarinet in high school, studied classical guitar at Conservatory, played bass viola da gamba a few years…. I came back to the recorder about two years ago, and I can say that while I loved playing all the other instruments, the recorder is the one that brings me the more joy and happiness. I play it for hours, and I think about it all the time when I am away from it, like a teenager in love. Yes, I am talking about the recorder, Yes, for some people it is The Instrument
Dynamics on any instrument, even piano, are especially hard for beginners. And if you've ever sat in a music room with a class on a bunch of upright pianos, each one slightly out of tune, the cacophony created by the students can be quite jarring. Granted, it's not as bad as beginner wind, brass, or even string instrument players, but there you go. As for recorder, I find it rather pleasant. I wasn't required to learn it, but most of us played one at one point. I still have my original plastic Cambridge from over 50 years ago. My children are learning it, since their school uses it as a basic beginning instrument. It's not basic. It's portable. There are a lot of "moving" parts in producing a good tone. It's not a stepping-stone instrument, either; however, it can be an excellent introduction to music. It's about the teacher AND the student working together to make music. That's just me. Excellent video. Thanks! ☺
I was forced to play the recorder at school aged about 5, even though I was lucky enough to be learning the cello. I understand they couldn't have me wandering around or a separate class but it was so boring. In my case also because they were teaching us how to read music which I could already from the cello (I appreciate this isn't the case for many children). And I didn't like the sound. Now I've taken up the recorder myself as an adult, but I still don't go near descant/soprano as I prefer deeper tones. I agree that as much as possible children should have a choice of instrument, though that can be hard to do. I was also made to play the piano and didn't like it, so I didn't get on well. If that and the school recorder lessons had been my only choices I might have given up.
Ich bin total einverstanden mit dem 3. Punkt. In Frankreich auch werden so viele Kinder verpflichtet, den Instrument zu lernen. Es sorgt für schreckliche erinnerungen obwohl die Flöte ist eigentlich total geil. Du spielst sehr gut und ich liebe deine Videos !
I believe that art of the recorder lies in shaping of the notes , instead of wanting to learn a new song in a few days. Start by perfecting the first line as this helps set the rhythm for the balance of the song.
Yup, there are better ways of introducing this instrument than making students learn Merrily We Roll Along as a year's course in a class of thirty when the slowest learners have to be given the majority of support. The teacher needs to be inspiring. In the hands of a musical kid, say learning the piano, the recorder is cheap, practical and versatile; a tool for bringing out the melodic line in most music. But of course the kid needs a teacher who knows repertoire and how to introduce the pertinent repertoire at different levels in the most motivating process.
Great, thanks! I write from experience of course. I taught in school: classroom recorder to 12 year old kids. Recently I taught my daughter one on one, from scratch. 3 years after she started she achieved ABRSM Grade 5 with distinction . She was 8 years old.
Maybe classroom instruction places too much emphasis on learning simplified classical pieces or familiar children's or folk music. I wonder if students could improvise. They could learn some of the easier notes to play and then the instructor lets them make up a tune with those notes. Personally, my interest in learning the recorder increased when I heard some performers playing different styles of music and giving the voice of the recorder a different kind of voice. I've hear the baroque recorder played to sound like an indigenous flute (like a Native American flute). That made me regard the recorder as a much more expressive instrument.
Hey guys, in this video I explain to you why there are so many negative prejudices against the recorder. What is your opinion about this instrument? Have you had any experience with it?
From what I heard from uncle van Eyck, Daphne is very beautiful.. Even Bach agreed.. Now stop dissing recorders and buy one, even haters need one, beit just to prove a point.. but it's the best 10 bucks you'll ever spend for a real instrument..
The recorder squeaks. That is the nature of the student musician. they quickly become discouraged and give up unless someone can help them bring the instrument under control. Personally, I love the recorder. It has a cleaner tone than a transverse flute. It doesn't have the volume or the range as the transverse flute, but as a personal instrument it makes a lovely companion.
Hab deinen Channel durch zufall gefunden. Direkt mal abonniert, möglicherweise werde ich meine Blockflötenskills etwas aufpolieren können.😅 Ich möchte in naher Zukunft auch Videos produzieren (folk covers). Vielleicht kann man in Zukunft auch mal was zusammen aufnehmen. 🙂
Thank you for your much needed video! In the whole history of education, never has been so much written that is wrong, than instructions on playing the recorder. For those who want to hear how far you can go on the recorder, here is Dorothee Oberlinger playing a Telemann concerto. Dorothee is a professor at the Salzburg Mozarteum. th-cam.com/video/SVM12mpsSk8/w-d-xo.html
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Great video! Yes, it's sad how most people never hear good recorder playing and judge it to be a toy because of its short introduction in schools. At the same time, that wide exposure presents a valuable opportunity if we can help improve it! This is one of my goals.
This is a good further point that the instrument is perceived as a toy. Often people buy instruments made of plastic, which are very cheap and have poor quality. In many cases, children enjoy them less than a high-quality recorder, for example, made of wood.
Every point you've made is spot on and it's great that a person with your credentials is addressing this issue. A few things that might also be considered: 1) The recorder is not a particularly resonant instrument. Unlike, say, the entire strings family that are all built around resonating chambers, or the brass family with their bells, or percussion with drums or tubes, the recorder produces its sound through wood or resin. Almost no harmonics or overtones are discernible. A very pure sound but perhaps not as satisfying played solo in a practice room. 2) The recorder isn't usually heard in its historical setting. It has come down to us through the centuries having sounded in the courts of kings and queens, the stone walled town squares of our ancestors and other places where its somewhat dry tone would have come alive echoing off the walls. (Really, don't you just love walking into a high ceilinged church hearing your own footsteps clicking off the walls knowing what those acoustics are going to do for your instrument?) Totally changes the sound. Would that it always be heard that way!
3) Recorders playing harmonzed parts instead of in massive unison sound amazing!!!
Thanks for all your great vids!
Thank you for the detailed addition. I can confirm every point. Very few people know the recorder in a historical context, which is a pity. And of course a harmony instrument like a piano sounds fuller from the beginning than a single recorder part. The classrooms in schools are also usually very dry, which does not allow the sound to resonate.
Nach einem intensiven Blockflötenstudium verbrachte ich die letzten 24 Jahre vor meiner Pension an einer Musikschule im Elsass. Meine ganze Arbeit war darauf ausgerichtet, die Blockflöte als hochstehendes Instrument unter die Menschen zu bringen, was tatsächlich durch schlechte Ehrfahrung in der Schule VÖLLIG in Vergessenheit geraten war! Somit gibt es doch noch Hochburgen des Blockflötenspiels im Elsass und die alten Traditionen sind nicht ganz in Vergessenheit geraten! Wir Blockflötisten leisten Pionierarbeit und Deine Arbeit ist poppig und avangadistisch, BRAVO à toi! Sabine 😊
Wunderbar! Ja, wir Blockflötenlehrer leisten viel Arbeit, um das bestehende Image der Blockflöte zu verbessern. Schön zu hören; dass du ebenfalls viel dafür getan hast, um die Blockflöte als vollwertiges Instrument zu vermitteln.
I am madly in love with the recorder. I loved it as a kid in primary school, then played clarinet in high school, studied classical guitar at Conservatory, played bass viola da gamba a few years…. I came back to the recorder about two years ago, and I can say that while I loved playing all the other instruments, the recorder is the one that brings me the more joy and happiness. I play it for hours, and I think about it all the time when I am away from it, like a teenager in love. Yes, I am talking about the recorder, Yes, for some people it is The Instrument
That's wonderful!! Great!
Dynamics on any instrument, even piano, are especially hard for beginners. And if you've ever sat in a music room with a class on a bunch of upright pianos, each one slightly out of tune, the cacophony created by the students can be quite jarring. Granted, it's not as bad as beginner wind, brass, or even string instrument players, but there you go.
As for recorder, I find it rather pleasant. I wasn't required to learn it, but most of us played one at one point. I still have my original plastic Cambridge from over 50 years ago. My children are learning it, since their school uses it as a basic beginning instrument. It's not basic. It's portable. There are a lot of "moving" parts in producing a good tone. It's not a stepping-stone instrument, either; however, it can be an excellent introduction to music. It's about the teacher AND the student working together to make music.
That's just me.
Excellent video. Thanks! ☺
I was forced to play the recorder at school aged about 5, even though I was lucky enough to be learning the cello. I understand they couldn't have me wandering around or a separate class but it was so boring. In my case also because they were teaching us how to read music which I could already from the cello (I appreciate this isn't the case for many children). And I didn't like the sound.
Now I've taken up the recorder myself as an adult, but I still don't go near descant/soprano as I prefer deeper tones.
I agree that as much as possible children should have a choice of instrument, though that can be hard to do. I was also made to play the piano and didn't like it, so I didn't get on well. If that and the school recorder lessons had been my only choices I might have given up.
Ich bin total einverstanden mit dem 3. Punkt. In Frankreich auch werden so viele Kinder verpflichtet, den Instrument zu lernen. Es sorgt für schreckliche erinnerungen obwohl die Flöte ist eigentlich total geil. Du spielst sehr gut und ich liebe deine Videos !
Vielen Dank! Ja, die Verpflichtung in Frankreich sehe ich ebenfalls kritisch. Ich hoffe, das ändert sich in Zukunft.
I believe that art of the recorder lies in shaping of the notes , instead of wanting to learn a new song in a few days.
Start by perfecting the first line as this helps set the rhythm for the balance of the song.
I absolutely agree. The sound and the shape of the notes are the most important thing on the recorder.
I love my recorders and the beautiful music I get to explore with them
Yup, there are better ways of introducing this instrument than making students learn Merrily We Roll Along as a year's course in a class of thirty when the slowest learners have to be given the majority of support. The teacher needs to be inspiring. In the hands of a musical kid, say learning the piano, the recorder is cheap, practical and versatile; a tool for bringing out the melodic line in most music. But of course the kid needs a teacher who knows repertoire and how to introduce the pertinent repertoire at different levels in the most motivating process.
I totally agree!
Great, thanks! I write from experience of course. I taught in school: classroom recorder to 12 year old kids. Recently I taught my daughter one on one, from scratch. 3 years after she started she achieved ABRSM Grade 5 with distinction . She was 8 years old.
@@ray-piano9326 Oh that’s great! Yes, individual learning is so much faster and effective and the kids have much more motivation.
Maybe classroom instruction places too much emphasis on learning simplified classical pieces or familiar children's or folk music. I wonder if students could improvise. They could learn some of the easier notes to play and then the instructor lets them make up a tune with those notes. Personally, my interest in learning the recorder increased when I heard some performers playing different styles of music and giving the voice of the recorder a different kind of voice. I've hear the baroque recorder played to sound like an indigenous flute (like a Native American flute). That made me regard the recorder as a much more expressive instrument.
Hey guys,
in this video I explain to you why there are so many negative prejudices against the recorder. What is your opinion about this instrument? Have you had any experience with it?
From what I heard from uncle van Eyck, Daphne is very beautiful.. Even Bach agreed..
Now stop dissing recorders and buy one, even haters need one, beit just to prove a point.. but it's the best 10 bucks you'll ever spend for a real instrument..
Thanks for your comment! I totally agree!
The recorder squeaks. That is the nature of the student musician. they quickly become discouraged and give up unless someone can help them bring the instrument under control.
Personally, I love the recorder. It has a cleaner tone than a transverse flute. It doesn't have the volume or the range as the transverse flute, but as a personal instrument it makes a lovely companion.
Yes, I totally agree. Great to hear, that you love the recorder!
My mom never really liked it, but generally when was back in school most found it ok, plus Scotland we used to Loud noisy Instruments like Bag Pipes.
I totally unterstand this.
Hab deinen Channel durch zufall gefunden. Direkt mal abonniert, möglicherweise werde ich meine Blockflötenskills etwas aufpolieren können.😅 Ich möchte in naher Zukunft auch Videos produzieren (folk covers). Vielleicht kann man in Zukunft auch mal was zusammen aufnehmen. 🙂
Hey, das hört sich ja super an! Vielen Dank für das Abonnement. Folk Covers klingt auf jeden Fall spannend.
I love it. God thought me to play it ❤❤❤😊😊😊
That’s great to hear!😊
Hi
Thank you for your much needed video!
In the whole history of education, never has been so much written that is wrong, than instructions on playing the recorder.
For those who want to hear how far you can go on the recorder, here is Dorothee Oberlinger playing a Telemann concerto. Dorothee is a professor at the Salzburg Mozarteum.
th-cam.com/video/SVM12mpsSk8/w-d-xo.html
Yes, that's a pity!
hi, as a solo instrument, how can a recorder used as a.musical instrument for praise and worship like guitar to stir up the atmosphere ?❤
Beginners sound terrible on any instrument.
That’s also right! But at the piano for example there is not much technical knowledge needed, to produce a straight and clear tone.