Actually, every single serious conductor SHOULD. Because musicians are not idiots, they know the times, they study the music. But they don't all have the same feeling for it, that is why the director should be more expressive, and less square. The director must express, and not just follow the 1,2,3,4 of a piece.
@@cog592 by your words it shows you know shit about music, specifically the job of the conductor; if you have seen V. Gergiev conducting you should know that he does not conduct like this ! he was expressing his interpretation of this dramatic work of music and communicating his analysis and interpretation for educational purposes.
I own his recordings of Scriabin's symphonies with the LSO. The Poeam of Ecstasy is one of the greatest recordings I have ever heard... but it has one flaw: if you have really good speakers you can hear his f*cking grunting and humming 🤦♂️
Just come home from being conducted by Mr Gergiev as part of a choir in Mahler's 2nd.. so grateful to have had this opportunity to be thrown around by his flailing arms with LIQUID hands and be grunted at by this insane animal for an entire symphony in front of 3000 people. A memorable evening indeed!
@@blackkeys00 Indeed it was, thanks for the reminder! I'd say the most unusual aspect to get used to is that his conducting is almost entirely about character rather than rhythm. Most conductors tell you when to come in with clear entry points - with Gergiev, you're assumed to know exactly when to do your part (keep your own timing!) his indications are only about HOW to do do your part.. nerve wracking !!
I am going to give him the biggest complement as an orchestral musician as i can. If I was in his orchestra I would know exactly what he wants, how he wants it and when he want's it. A real players conductor. His eye contact and hand cues to the orchestra are the best.
That's not exactly what I heard on the grapevine during his time at the LSO. The things I heard were that he was highly mercurial. He could be incredibly inspiring at times, but too often he just wasn't there & the orchestra, certainly some of them, struggled to form a bond with him and to understand his gestures, others rehearsed his stuff on numerous occasions whilst he was flying between numerous jobs. You can hear that in his LSO Live recording with them in this work, they're switched-on pros of course so they're ready for whatever on the night, but there's a lot of errors in the early stages of the performance, and some tentativeness is evident with entries etc that I just don't hear on other recordings of this work, that said it does get better. I saw him perform with the Rotterdam at the Proms years ago, good show too but I failed to understand how they could follow him,he has...a certain way on the podium.... but I guess he spent more time there building a rapport with them than he did at the LSO so they knew what he wanted, as they do in this clip.
@@Muzakman37 As a choir singer on a performance of Mahler's 2nd with Gergiev I can confirm it was very clear what he wanted from us but the WHEN part was entirely up to us... a very different - and terrifying - experience to what we're used to as performers. However, once you realise you're expected to keep your own timing as an ensemble it's an absolute pleasure to work with him. He has a knack of getting the most out of even even the most mediocre performers (such as yours truly) to remarkable effect, and he really knows how let the musicians rely on their own group instincts so he can focus on the intention and character of the piece. I look forward to my next performance with him, he's a true master.
@@Muzakman37 Agreed, he can be really great but then you have his LSO Prokofiev symphony cycle which is in my opinion horrible. Then rewind to 2012 Marinski, here on TH-cam awailable audio-video, live cycle and you'll find good Prokofiev - although raw and unbalanced, but still to my taste and to my great enjoyment. Gergiev is really good with the Müncheners. Saved one of their live concerts (they deleted it later) beginning with Stravinsky (Scherzo fantastique or Feu d'artifice, forgot), magnificent Korsakov's "Kitezh" suite and Shostakovich's 4th symphony. Those latter pieces are also my great favorites, I especially hoard recordings of the 4th, and Gergiev, MPO & their audio-video recording team produced one of the greatest 4th. For me it started randomly some 25 years ago. On 3rd program of radio Belgrade Wednesday 20:00 "From the Archive" segment of the program with LP from Radio Belgrade archive of Ormandy's Philadelphia 1962 recording of Shostakovich 4th symphony. I recorded it on a Phillips tape, one of hundreds where I could as a kid build my taste by re-listening to radio Belgrade sound engineers professionally amplifying sound of their good as new & rarely played records. Same with Walcha's organ music or for Christian hollydays Klemperer's 1960's (New) Philharmonia Bach etc. It was magnificent because then very old musical program directors (died or pensioned after the fall of the regime in 2000) almost didn't touch HIP. And we're talking late 1990's. And I am very glad because of it. That Ormandy recording is still at the top, alongside 1978 Proms Rozhdestvensky, Melodya Rozhdestvensky, 2000 Proms Sinaisky, London Haitink. Out of recent "visibles" here on YT my favorites are Bychkov's, then aforementioned Gergiev's and Haitink's Berlin PO renditions. Problem with Haitink's is at the very end where you can hear loud audience noises. If he's switched on Gergiev is great. If he isn't he's sometimes less than mediocre. He's the state conductor so he has to balance immense political power he's holding with moments of talent and pure artistry when he can dedicate himself and let go. Because he is capable for it. What he said about Scriabin on few occasions ("He was inspired", he got that spark) and what he non-verbally showed here (Scriabin is a crazy guy) where Gergiev indulges in his "non gentlemanly", even brutal, crazy Russian-Ossetian side - I find that very appealing and I believe he can switch between that crazy out this world elation and ruthless material interest. If he, in that life's game, can preserve the spark he'll remain being an artist and he'll be remember as an artist first. Still you gotta love that arrogance, self confidence, courage, firmness of the stage mask. He's looking at life from a very different perspective than many. Yet he's still an artist who understands bat shit crazy genius like Scriabin (his 2nd symphony is my favorite). Regards from Belgrade Goran Katić
The thing you'll always feel about Gergiev, his passion for music goes way beyond the capabilties of a conductor...he is a pure genius, a master of his craft :-)
Being a conductor is quite the trial, so much to learn and so little time. Master Gergiev shows us that eventually, you have to understand and act on the basic impulses and sense you have of the music and make that clear to the musicians. So impressive, because his ability shows us the simplicity of the actions, but it's born from all that preparatory work.
GENIO..!!! Grande ..sublime ICARUS..i Don Quijote fascinante..Su Alma arde desde la Noche de los Tiempos..Su Ciencia..Su AMOR..y nos eleva o sumerge en el Sueño Creador del Compositor..bebiendo Su Dolor y Alegrías..su Melancolía ..su ÉXTASIS ! En oleaje sempiterno nos arrastra hacia ese Paraíso Perdido q soñamos todos los Hijos de Naturaleza..bravo..Gran Señor Valery Georguiev..Arcángel de la Música ..AQUíLES del Arte ..lo Bello inescrutable lo posée..i su inocencia pura la transmite al Ser q en su agonía por sed de amor i honradéz..bébe la Ambrosía q destilan las Luminosas Pléyades..o las Furias terribles.. e invisibles Laberintos de Minotauros o volantes i briosos Pegados de Zéus abrazador i Apolo i Minerva i Afrodita.. Las Madres Náyades.. Oh.Tierra i Padre Cielo..bravo ! Yo aquí tiemvlo i lágrimas acuden a mis ojos .. leve..leviíssimo..preso en mi terrenal usura e incertidumbre ..soy feliz unos instantes..
He recorded this work back in 2001, two years before this masterclass. He did it differently; He should re- do i. The things he says in this video are just gold; it will be a perfect recording. *to be continued*
He needs to have a towel when he conducts to wipe away the torrents of sweat pouring down his face. Look for the video of him conducting Firebird. it's insane.
@dorfischer *continued* Also the bell in the current recording (at the ending) is correctly a church bell but sounds tinny, it should be a better instrument and should be positioned in the front of the orchestra in a concert setting (not sure about how to record it). A good example of how the bell should sound is the performance by piere boulez and the chicago symphony. The bell sounds perfect, the best I've heard.
The name of this guy is Tung Chieh Chuang (I guess), he's from Taiwan. In 2015, he won The Nikolaj Malko Competition for young conductors which was held in Denmark.
+UTV Poop You are confused on this. I don't know how the guy on this clip is called, but he definitely is not the same as the last Malko Competition's winner.
"Never the same twice" is actually considered one of Maestro Gergiev's merits... well, at least for listeners I guess; players would have good reason for saying "Erratic"
diciamo che non vorrei ricevere lezioni di direzione da Gergiev!!! (se mai avesse una qualche utilità studiare direzione --non mi riferisco a composizione, fuga,lettura partitura...). ho in mente un altro direttore (che NON ha mai studiato direzione), ma è morto.
Thanks to Leonard Bernstein a lot of young conducting students think that they have to put on a physical show for the audience. When Lorin Maazel was on the podium there were times when he wouldn’t move at all while the musicians were playing; he would just listen. If everything is going as it should there is no need to lead an orchestra. Why mess with success?
MMMMMHMHMHMHMHMHMHMHMHMHMHMHRRRMHMHMRMRMRMRMRRRRRMMMMHMHMHMMHMMMMMUUUURRRRGHGHHGHHHHHHMMMMMRMHHRHRHRHHHHHHHRRRRMMMM!!!!!!
jdebruynviolin 😂😂😂😂 to be honest it made the music sound worse
I do not understand much in classic music, but the passion in that man is undeniable and I can easily feel it. It is just amazing.
Actually, every single serious conductor SHOULD. Because musicians are not idiots, they know the times, they study the music. But they don't all have the same feeling for it, that is why the director should be more expressive, and less square. The director must express, and not just follow the 1,2,3,4 of a piece.
@@cog592 by your words it shows you know shit about music, specifically the job of the conductor; if you have seen V. Gergiev conducting you should know that he does not conduct like this ! he was expressing his interpretation of this dramatic work of music and communicating his analysis and interpretation for educational purposes.
@@cog592 you are right. He is a clown, like pavarotti in his clown shows... Paper legends... But deaf people can't understand this!
Althogh his "singing" is pretty weird, just compare the same moments at 0:34 and 2:04. It's amazing..
it really is
absolutely
wow, what a huge difference
I dont know hwat kind of telegraphic power gergiev has but when he conducts, the orchestra just sound way better
I own his recordings of Scriabin's symphonies with the LSO. The Poeam of Ecstasy is one of the greatest recordings I have ever heard... but it has one flaw: if you have really good speakers you can hear his f*cking grunting and humming 🤦♂️
Just come home from being conducted by Mr Gergiev as part of a choir in Mahler's 2nd.. so grateful to have had this opportunity to be thrown around by his flailing arms with LIQUID hands and be grunted at by this insane animal for an entire symphony in front of 3000 people. A memorable evening indeed!
Yeah, Gergiev's 2nd is always stunning.
Amazing piece w/ amazing conductor must have been legendary
So lucky to have this opportunity, its a one time life experience
@@blackkeys00 Indeed it was, thanks for the reminder! I'd say the most unusual aspect to get used to is that his conducting is almost entirely about character rather than rhythm. Most conductors tell you when to come in with clear entry points - with Gergiev, you're assumed to know exactly when to do your part (keep your own timing!) his indications are only about HOW to do do your part.. nerve wracking !!
Hmm huiuh. Hhhh mmmmm. Huh huh hhahhhahahahhhh mmmmmmmmmmmmm uiiuiuuiuuuuuhhhhh muuuuuuuhhhhh hummmmmmmmm huuuuuuuggggggg nggggggggggg *moves sprastically*
Why am I on the floor over this comment
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂👍👍👍👍👍👍
You fookin fuck you drunk shit
You made me laugh!
The sound he makes is marvelous! :P "UGHNNHN UHHHHNHN UHHEHH UHH"
I am going to give him the biggest complement as an orchestral musician as i can.
If I was in his orchestra I would know exactly what he wants, how he wants it and when he want's it. A real players conductor. His eye contact and hand cues to the orchestra are the best.
......really.......
That's not exactly what I heard on the grapevine during his time at the LSO. The things I heard were that he was highly mercurial. He could be incredibly inspiring at times, but too often he just wasn't there & the orchestra, certainly some of them, struggled to form a bond with him and to understand his gestures, others rehearsed his stuff on numerous occasions whilst he was flying between numerous jobs. You can hear that in his LSO Live recording with them in this work, they're switched-on pros of course so they're ready for whatever on the night, but there's a lot of errors in the early stages of the performance, and some tentativeness is evident with entries etc that I just don't hear on other recordings of this work, that said it does get better. I saw him perform with the Rotterdam at the Proms years ago, good show too but I failed to understand how they could follow him,he has...a certain way on the podium.... but I guess he spent more time there building a rapport with them than he did at the LSO so they knew what he wanted, as they do in this clip.
@@Muzakman37 As a choir singer on a performance of Mahler's 2nd with Gergiev I can confirm it was very clear what he wanted from us but the WHEN part was entirely up to us... a very different - and terrifying - experience to what we're used to as performers. However, once you realise you're expected to keep your own timing as an ensemble it's an absolute pleasure to work with him. He has a knack of getting the most out of even even the most mediocre performers (such as yours truly) to remarkable effect, and he really knows how let the musicians rely on their own group instincts so he can focus on the intention and character of the piece. I look forward to my next performance with him, he's a true master.
@@Muzakman37
Agreed, he can be really great but then you have his LSO Prokofiev symphony cycle which is in my opinion horrible.
Then rewind to 2012 Marinski, here on TH-cam awailable audio-video, live cycle and you'll find good Prokofiev - although raw and unbalanced, but still to my taste and to my great enjoyment.
Gergiev is really good with the Müncheners. Saved one of their live concerts (they deleted it later) beginning with Stravinsky (Scherzo fantastique or Feu d'artifice, forgot), magnificent Korsakov's "Kitezh" suite and Shostakovich's 4th symphony. Those latter pieces are also my great favorites, I especially hoard recordings of the 4th, and Gergiev, MPO & their audio-video recording team produced one of the greatest 4th.
For me it started randomly some 25 years ago. On 3rd program of radio Belgrade Wednesday 20:00 "From the Archive" segment of the program with LP from Radio Belgrade archive of Ormandy's Philadelphia 1962 recording of Shostakovich 4th symphony.
I recorded it on a Phillips tape, one of hundreds where I could as a kid build my taste by re-listening to radio Belgrade sound engineers professionally amplifying sound of their good as new & rarely played records.
Same with Walcha's organ music or for Christian hollydays Klemperer's 1960's (New) Philharmonia Bach etc.
It was magnificent because then very old musical program directors (died or pensioned after the fall of the regime in 2000) almost didn't touch HIP. And we're talking late 1990's. And I am very glad because of it.
That Ormandy recording is still at the top, alongside 1978 Proms Rozhdestvensky, Melodya Rozhdestvensky, 2000 Proms Sinaisky, London Haitink.
Out of recent "visibles" here on YT my favorites are Bychkov's, then aforementioned Gergiev's and Haitink's Berlin PO renditions.
Problem with Haitink's is at the very end where you can hear loud audience noises.
If he's switched on Gergiev is great. If he isn't he's sometimes less than mediocre.
He's the state conductor so he has to balance immense political power he's holding with moments of talent and pure artistry when he can dedicate himself and let go.
Because he is capable for it. What he said about Scriabin on few occasions ("He was inspired", he got that spark) and what he non-verbally showed here (Scriabin is a crazy guy) where Gergiev indulges in his "non gentlemanly", even brutal, crazy Russian-Ossetian side - I find that very appealing and I believe he can switch between that crazy out this world elation and ruthless material interest.
If he, in that life's game, can preserve the spark he'll remain being an artist and he'll be remember as an artist first.
Still you gotta love that arrogance, self confidence, courage, firmness of the stage mask.
He's looking at life from a very different perspective than many. Yet he's still an artist who understands bat shit crazy genius like Scriabin (his 2nd symphony is my favorite).
Regards from Belgrade
Goran Katić
Gergiev...what a virtuoso...
Gergiev sounds like Don Corleone "Marlon Brando" , singing while he's conducting.
Mr. Gergiev God bless you and your family with health and happiness all your days.
Scriabin - Poem of Ecstasy. Gergiev is brilliant.
This is one of those gems on TH-cam that gets you incredibly excited about something, in this case classical music
The thing you'll always feel about Gergiev, his passion for music goes way beyond the capabilties of a conductor...he is a pure genius, a master of his craft :-)
Did you ever play under his baton?
No, but under his hands...or toothpick, rather@@ciprianmarinescu8974
Being a conductor is quite the trial, so much to learn and so little time. Master Gergiev shows us that eventually, you have to understand and act on the basic impulses and sense you have of the music and make that clear to the musicians. So impressive, because his ability shows us the simplicity of the actions, but it's born from all that preparatory work.
The force is strong in this one
Gergiev has an unbelievable sense of grounded power and energy in his work.
Gergiev is larger than life! Thank you for sharing
"don't do many movements it's a grand writing" :)
his humming is epic.
🎹 Scriabin's Poem Of Ecstacy! OMG!
A rarely performed masterpiece!
I really loved the trumpeter. Bravoo
The (professional) student's name is Jason Lai. He used to conduct my university orchestra every so often, which was pretty soon after this recording.
phenomenal! I love Gergiev!!!
THIS DUDE IS FREAKIN' CRAZY AND EQUALLY AWESOME !!!!
just amazing footage!
Yeah! He is a true masterclass, he has a high power of gesture.
I would pay the technician to give me the solo track of the microphone recording of his voice. Nice chamanistic russian multiphonic noises overthere
Love his manner & style in teaching - knows what the he's doing - masterful.
Amazing talent. Passionate and habited by the music.
yes
what a joy it is to watch soulful conducting
GENIO..!!! Grande ..sublime ICARUS..i Don Quijote fascinante..Su Alma arde desde la Noche de los Tiempos..Su Ciencia..Su AMOR..y nos eleva o sumerge en el Sueño Creador del Compositor..bebiendo Su Dolor y Alegrías..su Melancolía ..su ÉXTASIS ! En oleaje sempiterno nos arrastra hacia ese Paraíso Perdido q soñamos todos los Hijos de Naturaleza..bravo..Gran Señor Valery Georguiev..Arcángel de la Música ..AQUíLES del Arte ..lo Bello inescrutable lo posée..i su inocencia pura la transmite al Ser q en su agonía por sed de amor i honradéz..bébe la Ambrosía q destilan las Luminosas Pléyades..o las Furias terribles.. e invisibles Laberintos de Minotauros o volantes i briosos Pegados de Zéus abrazador i Apolo i Minerva i Afrodita.. Las Madres Náyades.. Oh.Tierra i Padre Cielo..bravo ! Yo aquí tiemvlo i lágrimas acuden a mis ojos .. leve..leviíssimo..preso en mi terrenal usura e incertidumbre ..soy feliz unos instantes..
He recorded this work back in 2001, two years before this masterclass. He did it differently; He should re- do i. The things he says in this video are just gold; it will be a perfect recording.
*to be continued*
Brutal, que poder!. Es capaz de parar la rotación de la tierra. Espectacular .
What a privilege to have such a teacher. But there and then the student looks a bit flabbergasted. Tough act to follow. :D
I see a lot of Simon Rattle in this kid. He's going to go far.
True!
starwarsjunkie7777 I
Needs more hair
Don't think so - he's just a good pupil , doesn't have enough passion and ecstasy to conduct this music.
And, with those movements, that's how Valery Gergiev become in Mr. MIYAGI!!!!
He needs to have a towel when he conducts to wipe away the torrents of sweat pouring down his face. Look for the video of him conducting Firebird. it's insane.
@dorfischer Thank you!! It's a great piece!
LOL the lady in the background at 3:00 copying his hand gesture
Kemi Lo hahahahahahahaha
It's quite possible Valery was drunk.
no
no american drugs moron
Marky Ochoa he's best at his drunkest
our tmea king
@@TheBobsteg ayyyyyy!
Love how he groans, he really is feeling the ecstasy
Oh God! Fantastic Sir
Amazing Gergiev
Today I learned that great music comes from sounding like you’re trying your best to poop.
amazing Gergiev!!!!!!
@dorfischer *continued*
Also the bell in the current recording (at the ending) is correctly a church bell but sounds tinny, it should be a better instrument and should be positioned in the front of the orchestra in a concert setting (not sure about how to record it). A good example of how the bell should sound is the performance by piere boulez and the chicago symphony. The bell sounds perfect, the best I've heard.
Fantastic!!!
this guy is amazing...
THE SHINING
A true Maestro!
I love this ...
I want to watch all of this
Гергиев лучший 👏🏻
batshit crazy.
brilliant.
I see a lot of Ilya Musin in Valery G...
Love him though
You'd think it was a zombie at the helm.....lol! #genius
see that the orchestra begins to play a little after Gergiev. this is a characteristic of eastern Europe orchestras.
He also conducts the London orchestra. So you can compare if you're right.
Anna Sfakianaki i think that's just a common thing with orchestras and bands
well at least the ones im in go behind the conductor
This is Rotterdam Philharmonic in Netherlands
,this is a movie holy.. wow...
Valery Gergiev's teacher was Pat Morita/ mr. Miyagi
The pupil is so good too!!
2:05 !!
I want Jason to conduct my first piano concerto.
The name of this guy is Tung Chieh Chuang (I guess), he's from Taiwan. In 2015, he won The Nikolaj Malko Competition for young conductors which was held in Denmark.
+UTV Poop
You are confused on this. I don't know how the guy on this clip is called, but he definitely is not the same as the last Malko Competition's winner.
no, it is jason lai, you were wrong on that one
Я горжусь вами Валерий Абесалович, здоровья вам и вашим близким 🙏🙏🙏
I feel that you have kept that profile pic for this long just so his comment makes sense lol
If only the students would listen and try. Great lessons…
Unfortunately the great John Barbirolli said it true. Great conductors are born, not made.
HERE'S JOHHNNNNNY!
That's what I was thinking too!
is that jack torrance
I love classical music. I have 200 Classical CDs.
@Mychkine1979 Poem of Ecstasy, Alexander Scriabin.
What a contrast between 0:37 and 2:06
The he finished conducting was hilarious xD
ええ声ゲルギエフ
"Never the same twice" is actually considered one of Maestro Gergiev's merits... well, at least for listeners I guess; players would have good reason for saying "Erratic"
Orchestrate it on the piano! The composer himself used to impress Rimsky and Co with his skills in Paris.
diciamo che non vorrei ricevere lezioni di direzione da Gergiev!!!
(se mai avesse una qualche utilità studiare direzione --non mi riferisco a composizione, fuga,lettura partitura...).
ho in mente un altro direttore (che NON ha mai studiato direzione), ma è morto.
He looks drunk when he is conducting
Luis Ramos but sounds good
He looks like a conductor when he is drinking I guess...
He is drunk when he is conducting. Recently, he drank a whole bottle of vodka right before the concert...
2:09 What does this cue mean?
I suppose, "go wild" xD
уроки мастерства кайф
his movements in 2:09-2:12 really add up to the MMMMMMMMHMHMHMHMHM, lol!!
However, this Valery Gergiev! He conducts good!
wait...HES CONCUCTING THE CONDUCTOR??
What's the name of the piece played?
Alexander Scriabin- The Poem of Ecstasy.
Prometheus poem of fire - A. Scriabin
What's the name of the student?
Гергиев здесь очень страстный...
Wich piece are they conducting?
Poem of ecstasy by scriabin
Thanks to Leonard Bernstein a lot of young conducting students think that they have to put on a physical show for the audience. When Lorin Maazel was on the podium there were times when he wouldn’t move at all while the musicians were playing; he would just listen. If everything is going as it should there is no need to lead an orchestra. Why mess with success?
What piece is this?
Poem of ecstasy from scriabin
Wow, Gergiev's english is very good.
he studied in English school, when he was a kid. And suprisingly it was enough to speak so well.
I'm pretty talented musically and I cannot see how his right hand is keeping any sort of 2 4 timing at all
Good! Because there shouldn't be one! :-)
When dumbledore smokes weed
My teacher is Gergiev😎😎
dies anybody know how this piece is called ?.
maybe its the thing in the description im not sure.
A. Scriabin Le Poème de l'extase, op. 54
The Poem of Ecstasy- by Scriabin
Scriabin Le poeme l'extase, Op. 54
Scriabin Le poeme l'extase, Op. 54
That's it.
One day I will see one hopefully wishing
I have a dream
🍀🍀🍀
Which Symphony is this?
A. Scriabin Le Poème de l'extase, op. 5
Not a symphony, but a great piece nonetheless by a composer I don't think enough people know about.
Andrew Zheng and is that you? The Conductor?
@@cemsevgi haha I wish
@@andrewzheng4038it's the opus 54.
I wish I could be a conductor. Too bad I can barely read music.
That hasn't put some of them off
Okay