And the same thing is true for .357 Mag... They're both capable for black bear defense or for deer - but if I had a charging grizzly coming at me, I know I'd want something more powerful!
@@carlosmorris4510Yes. Pretty much everyone knows that 357 Mag was developed as a man killing or fighting cartridge, not a heavy game cartridge. It used to be universally acknowledged as well that 10mm Auto was developed in an attempt to replicate 357 Mag performance from a shorter, rimless cartridge, or in other words, the 357 Mag was used as the benchmark. Somewhere along the line, that second part has been forgotten.
One thing I have experience with and will comment on. Farm strength vs gym strength. And I’m not just talking about how much you can lift. It’s the mindset of quitting when things get tough. Taking selfies, flexing biceps. Wanting to carry a peashooter. Country guys and people that do manual labor are just different. Higher tolerances
I definitely know what you mean. I used to be a LOT stronger than I looked, and I hardly ever went to the gym. My first job was in the pulp woods, though. I got a Stihl 041 for my 13th birthday. I worked hard and played hard. I could load my 3 wheelers in the back of a pickup truck, by myself with no ramp or ditch, when I was 12 years old . Id have a hard time with that now.
Agree 110% with this. Gym rats are like show horses: their endurance usually sucks. Especially when guys go for hypertrophy. Cardiovascular endurance is underdeveloped, slow twitch versus fast twitch muscle fiber, agility and coordination, etc.
@@LibertysetsquareJack I grew up working construction and just took strength for granted. always 'strong enough' I honestly do believe tho that some people are born to end up stronger than others. Not acceptable today but retard strength i a real thing. Basically mind set... the woman who lifts a car off their child... that sort of thing. in fairness I do think a lot of the folks going to the gym these days are doing it with an eye on endurance and also for health reasons/looks reasons. I have never actually been 'fat' and at 74 I am still 6' tall at 180 I know that it is mostly nothing I have done.. it was/is hereditary as most in my family are built this way.
I get laughed at because I bought a brand new Taurus single action .357 revolver the other day. I have a lot of the 9mm wonder pistols and a couple .38 snub-nosed revolvers but I've always wanted a SA revolver that was reliable. It looks just like a colt single action army to be honest, and it has the 4 clicks as well.
Spent my working years out West. Liked to hunt deer, elk and wild pig. When I stepped out of the truck, a Ruger Redhawk in .44 Magunum was always on my hip but a 300 Win Mag was in my hands. Even when I wasn't hunting, the rifle was what I kept ready when I was in the woods.
In Alaska where I'm at, Ruger Redhaw.45 Colt buffalo bore 325 gr at 1325fps is what I use. I know the guy your referring to on TH-cam but most of my friends and other guides that I talked to also thought it was asinine......
He knows infinitely more about what he does, where he does it than I do...but carrying a 9mm to defend customers from something so dangerous and large was a very serious lapse in judgement...in my opinion.
@@jasonm6090 I know the guy he's referring to here on TH-cam as well... I actually unsubscribed from his channel recently - because to me he seems kinda out of touch; at least as far as what the most effective handgun calibers are when it comes to grizzly defense. He mentions one powerful revolver in his possession, a .454 Casull... But other than that he seems dead set on viewing the 10mm as the ultimate bear defense handgun cartridge. Plus, he quickly deletes any comments that don't line up perfectly with his pro 10mm narrative... And this is the first post I've seen - anywhere - that's actually questioning the effectiveness of the number of shots used by the lower calibers in the recent Idaho grizzly attack incident (24 rounds of .45 ACP and 10mm!); no one wants to talk about that!
@@carlosmorris4510 That 24 rds figure jumped out at me in a HUGE way. That is clearly an indication of a serious lack of terminal efficiency, at least in my opinion. Even if neither were loaded with proper "bear loads" / 200+ gr hardcast, would the first shot into the side of the bear been enough to prevent what happened immediately after the shot. I don't imagine it would. Will a 10mm auto feed a heavy enough cast bullet with a big enough meplat to do what a 260-300 gr .41 Magnum with a .330" -.377" meplat cast bullet , running faster than the much lighter 10mm, can? Will 10mm match the on target wallop that a 315 gr .45 Colt bullet @ 1250+ can? What about 10mm delivering anywhere close to the thump of a 440+ gr hardcast .500 JRH @ 1300 fps? Nope. The young man in that real life horror had time for only one shot, and that light little 10mm failed. Were it not for his buddy with the .45 acp 1911 and his extra mag, the young man would be horribly maimed or killed. Is there a guarantee that the bigger heavier stompers would have stopped the bear, shot in the same place as he shot it with that first 10mm round, no.....but I would still rather have whatever the extra chance the bigger, heavier, flatter nosed bullets would have afforded me.
@@jasonm6090 Yes I am actually... The 10mm is very popular up here, but I wouldn't rely on it myself; I trust the big bores. Semi-autos have a much higher chance of unexpectedly jamming - especially with really hot ammo, whereas with a revolver that possibility is extremely rare. I wouldn't want that happening if I were in that situation, so to me the revolver platform is much more reliable; much more dependable in that critical moment - where seconds count... To be honest, I think that most people choose a 10mm just because it's easier to shoot - but it's nowhere near as effective as a big bore revolver, especially in comparison to the super Magnums (340 grain +P+ .44 Magnum and up). Imho 10mm and these lower calibers are essentially like 9mm to a grizzly - requiring shot upon shot upon shot to eventually stop the threat; as evidenced by this recent Idaho grizzly attack! That's very scary indeed; it must've been gruesome... They barely survived. Someone even told me awhile ago that a friend of their's up here had downed a grizzly while hunting with their rifle, and immediately went about the business of skinning it... Only to be attacked by another grizzly that suddenly came charging out of the bushes! The beast bit into the top of his head - scalping him, and he unloaded all 6 rounds of his .357 Magnum revolver through it's jaw - pointing it up - and firing up into it's head, killing it... A horror story, to say the least! So yeah, big bores for big animals - in my view, at least. There was even one incident in the news up here to where someone had shot a charging moose as well, with a .357 Magnum (about the same power as a 10mm)... It took multiple shots and just kept on coming, trampling the guy to death before eventually dying itself; too small of a caliber to decisively stop the threat quickly enough.
I miss the old days... I just told my son the other day that back in the seventies (and before) a man knew without doubt that he was a man and it seems in 2024 a "man" gets out of bed in the morning, looks in the mirror and has to decide if it's boxers or panties for the day... Big bore revolvers were and still are king IMO!
@@hercules1073 Because that is what makes you a man a BIG BORE Revolver!! I guess someone should tell Phil Shoemaker he ain’t a man even though he’s a combat veteran and a brown bear master guide with 40years experience He has actually been there done that and is well respected by his peers But apparently imagination and pretend count for more
Couple years back I carried a big bore revolver 80 miles backpacking across the Teton Wilderness. Pretty heavy gun. I can see why guys might decide on a 10 MM Glock.
People don't understand, or want to accept, that animals have tougher/thicker hides and bones and such. They don't understand a baboon's (ape, whatever) bicep is tougher than a human heart muscle and they can tear you in half. That bears can shred car doors with their claws without much effort. Dangerous game is no joke.
Hell yeah plowboy, there are to many pansy ass people these days, i’m 65 years old and i’ve shot big guns all my life, get yourself a 4570 revolver guys, that’ll stop a grizzly and trust me in the heat of the moment when that grizzly is charging you, you won’t even notice the kick. Love your videos my friend
Revolvers and lever guns are tried and true. The thing I love about them is they will take the same ammo and you can go lower in power if you want to, like .357 to .38 or from .44 magnum to .44 special.
I currently carry a 9mm plastic toy. You've genuinely convinced me that a big bore revolver is not only ideal for the woods, but also for an edc simply because of their one shot stop potential with the right cartridge. I absolutely love 45 colt. I will be looking for one. Thanks for the videos!
I'm really not trying to lead people somewhere they might not be comfortable. I'm really just trying to get people to open their eyes to things they might not have thought about before.
If you’re going to go with that caliber get a 44 mag instead because you get more power out of the magnum cartridge plus you can shoot 44 specials out of it.
@@theintrovertedcalifornian5047 A well loaded .41 (.410) Magnum can do just almost anything a .44 (.429) Magnum can do...and I can shoot .41 Special, if I want to. I recently dumped .44 Magnum after 32 years since my first .44 Magnum..and I have no intention of ever going back. .41 Mag gets everything that .357 Mag-.44 Mag used to get carried for, and heavy/ hot Tier III .45 Colt can get everything between the .44 Magnums( that I no longer have )and my .500 JRH.
@@plowboysghost 41 mag is probably the best pistol caliber ever invented I always recommend 357 or 44 mag because it’s easy to find lever action rifles in those calibers also.
Over 50 years ago my first woods walking gun was a 4 inch S&W M29 with Keith loads. I have used others since then with 41 Mag and up. Presently, I use a S&W M69 2.75 inch and am very happy with it.
My dad’s uncle once hit a grizz in all major arteries after passing through a fly with.22lr rat shot out of his belt buckle NAA. Saved his entire family and dropped the bear. I just carry a glow stick now
Always look forward to your videos for content and couldn't agree more. I own a 380 a couple 9 mm, a couple of 45 ACP, and 54 revolvers. LOL. 22 LR to 44 mag and 45 Colt. The only reason I don't have a Smith 500 or 454 Casual is I live in Florida. Nothing here on 4 legs a 44 mag would not stop.
I love wheel guns and I've broken wheel guns. And that's actually my only issue with them. Once they go down you are left with a paperweight. And fixing a malfunctioning revolver action isn't something you can do in the field. My only wheel gun I haven't broken is my model 10 SW. That thing is a surplus LEO revolver from the 80's, and is somehow still rock solid.
I'm an old-timer and amazed that all these folks without their auto loaders. I've been the revolver guy for years, and much rather be throwing a nice big piece of lead from a 45 then from a puny little 9 mm or so. And you know what else is crazy. Trying to just find a nice leather holster for some of my six guns. I went into a recent large sports door which I won't name and ask. Where's your leather holsters and the young kids there looked at me like I was crazy. What happened to this world anyway? Anyway, 100% behind you man. Keep it up!
@martinsmith8547 ---> It seems that they only have canvas or nylon holsters nowadays. I much prefer leather myself. I was in the military when our Colt 1911's were in a leather holster connected to a web belt. Then fast forward some years and went into the Army N.G., and the military had changed to the silly open top slide Beretta in 9mm in a nylon green holster. No thanks! I'm a firm believer in the phrase: "If it ain't broke - don't fix it!"
Its my belief that those people that said what they said, were in the mindset of war. Being raised by a father who is a Vietnam combat vet, 100% disabled, I was told countless stories about how superior firepower won the day. The ability to overwhelm the enemy with bullets. However, this man lives and dies by the validated 1911. When the situation arose, 45 was knocking down an enemy easily. Thats all the proof I need. And I was raised on that principle and learned to shoot both 1911 and 45 LC pistols.
Good video...! Its high time we dispell the hype that surrounds calibers like 10mm & 460 Rowland. They are capable calibers but need to be kept in the realm of reality of their design. Thanks for the video...
Point of fact: Autoloading pistol cartridges are smaller, have less case capacity, and are simply inherently weaker than a revolver cartridge of the same caliber in a modern loading. Not saying Autoloaders are bad, I love 'em, but this is simply the truth. If you soup up, say, 9x19 vs .357 magnum to the max? 357 steals 9's lunchmoney, kicks it down the stairs, and makes out with it's wife.
@@justusbryant7366 Someone sure got triggered🤣🤣🤣🤣 From what i can see, a whole lot of people are sharing half-arsed opinions based on what they THINK is expertise.
Here's an excerpt from The Prairie Traveler by Randolph Barnes Marcy (1861) you may appreciate. "In passing near the "Medicine-Bow Butte" during the spring of 1858, I most unexpectedly encountered and fired at a full-grown grizzly bear; but, as my horse had become somewhat blown by a previous gallop, his breathing so much disturbed my aim that I missed the animal at the short distance of about fifty yards, and he ran off. Fearful, if I stopped to reload my rifle, the bear would make his escape, I resolved to drive him back to the advanced guard of our escort, which I could see approaching in the distance; this I succeeded in doing, when several mounted men, armed with the navy revolvers, set off in pursuit. They approached within a few paces, and discharged ten or twelve shots, the most of which entered the animal, but he still kept on, and his progress did not seem materially impeded by the wounds. After these men had exhausted their charges, another man rode up armed with the army revolver, and fired two shots, which brought the stalwart beast to the ground. Upon skinning him and making an examination of the wounds, it was discovered that none of the balls from the small pistols had, after passing through his thick and tough hide, penetrated deeper than about an inch into the flesh, but that the two balls from the large pistol had gone into the vitals and killed him. This test was to my mind a decisive one as to the relative efficiency of the two arms for frontier service, and I resolved thenceforth to carry the larger size."
Yep. I was just talking with my Pop about that quote a day or so ago. Awesome old anecdote. The heavier, .44 ball with more powder behind it was more efficacious than the .36 balls with less charge. So yes, bore size and weight of metal **does** matter, whether 2024, 1924 or 1824.
Thanks Plowboy i agree with you,i live here in liberal California I'm African American and i shoot big bore revolver a lot of my friends can't handle big bore they have the same complaints that you mentioned, thanks for the information shoot heavy shoot straight
l live in Teton County Wyoming. I spend a lot of time backpacking and bowhunting in grizzly country here. I carry a S&W Model 29 .44 magnum loaded with 310 gr. hard cast handloads. Most of the hunters and guides here prefer a 10 MM Glock. The Glock is over a pound lighter. You notice the difference after a day hiking up and down mountains. The guys I talk to like the added capacity. I think .44 mag handloads perform better. And I think capacity is less likely to matter in a bear incident. I- can shoot the revolver- I've shot it in competition for a long time. But, I'm also of the mind that any handgun is marginal for a grizzly. I'm also carrying a can of bear spray in a holster on my chest.
wolfwithin2967... I think you are referring to the original large frame Vaquero rather than the old model 3 screw Blackhawk? I love my early large frame Vaquero in 45 Colt... I wish Ruger would bring them back in all calibers.
I live in Wyoming, and although I am proficient with both semi-autos and revolvers, I pack a wheelgun afield for insurance against close encounters of the hairy kind. A Ruger Alaskan 454 is what I prefer, although I have also carried a Ruger Vaquero with hot 45 Colt loads. Can't stuff an auto against a critter that's chewing on ya' and expect it to go bang, and if it DOES jam up, it may be impossible to clear a malfunction if one arm is being chewed on. If the magazine becomes dislodged, an auto becomes a single shot (or ZERO shot if it has a mag disconnect safety). Ditto on the single shot if one has to shoot with the rear of the pistol against their body, preventing the slide from reciprocating. I'll sacrifice a few rounds' capacity for a more effective cartridge in a launcher that has fewer potential points of failure.
@plowboysghost Great video. I grew up hunting where those two young guys had the unfortunate incident of being attacked recently. Over twenty years ago that area was infested with grizzlies. There's a hell of a lot more now. We changed our hunting location to South of there a bit, about 20 miles on an air line as the old mountain men used to say (not an airline, but an air line, notice the difference....ok, as the crow flies...) but still in the Centennial mountains. In 2010 a sow grizzly with at least one cub decided she didn't like us Idaho bowhunters in her territory and charged us right out of there for good. It happens. These days I carry my 45 Colt Blackhawk with Grizzly Ammunition 265 grain +P hardcast WFNGC or my 357 Magnum with Grizzly Ammunition in either their 180 grain hardcast or their 200 grain hardcast. I'm gettin old so the 357 is a bit lighter to pack BUT it's double action. Our new area still has a few grizzly bears but they're not nearly as numerous as the area closer to Yellowstone Park where those young guys were hunting this Fall. I'm just a revolver guy when I'm not out among people, but in the hills. I have the smaller tactical plastic guns with jacketed hollow points for those trips to Wally World.
My EDC is an auto loader with factory ammo. I have other autos that I consider my "fun" guns including a 1911 in 10mm. Now would I carry the 10 into a situation where there was a critter that could eat me? Not at all. I have a 500 S&W or a SB with full tilt 44 loads for that. For the gun crowd that speaks about things being out of date or out of fashion.......well they are missing out on a whole lot of fun.
I have a ton of revolvers but only a few semi autos. Revolvers are much more reliable and simple to use. I do have one "lethal weapon" type and it is a Beretta 92s.
@@plowboysghost I've had it for a couple years now and kinda suck at shooting it. I do like the cheap cost of 9mm though and shooting it through carbines is my favorite.
Revolvers will always have an advantage because they dont need to fit a cartridge into a magazine and round the nose of the projectile to facilitate the auto loading function. 10 mm is a good cartridge in an auto loader and I hear people comparing it to 357, but they usually pick a weaker 357 load and compare it to a hot 10 mm load. The reality is that the 357 is more powerful than 10 mm and the "old" technology bullets still perform better than the "modern" technology bullets. I think too many people are afraid to carry large framed guns, they are too worried someone might notice they have a gun on. And they dont want to give up the mythical "tactical advantage" so they change their name to Nancy, start shopping in the ladies undergarment section at the Walmart and get the smallest auto with the largest capacity possible that they can hide. Then they watch only TH-cam videos of people telling them that the 9mm or 380 Long is just as effective as anything else.
I Carry a model 29 6.5 inch Smith & Wesson with federal hydrashok 240gr everyday in a Azula inside the waistband holster “during summer” “owb for winter“ nearly everyday. I don’t know why I torture myself with carrying such a large revolver for my CCW but I absolutely love it… that’s my only answer I can come up with. I have other pistols and revolvers but 9 times out of 10 I grab that beast and a couple speed loaders for my belt pouch. You have got me wanting a Smith Model 57 classic 6inch in 41 magnum pretty bad though…😂…Love the channel.
Now that was good and to the point ! In Elmer Keith’s books he tells it like it was , his book I enjoy the most “Hell I Was There “ I use and carry a .44 mag stoked up with 310 grain WNFP hard cast ! Its really not bad to shoot at all I don’t think and I’m in my 80’s now ! If I’m going to carry power , carry enough power for the job !
I like my revolvers I have a 38 4-in Barrel and a 357 with a 3-inch Barrel and 357 6.5 and 44mag 6.5 Barrel I would choose my revovers over semi-automatic
SW and NW Montana and central Idaho is where I hang out with a buddy of mine. I carry my Ruger Alaskan 454 and ive also got the old 629 Mountain Gun revolver. We also have 45-70 and 450marlin takedown rifles. I still have a 22lr for small game. Last week were in one of those roadless wilderness areas alone. Saw nothing but mtn goats and the fish were thick in the stream. No bears to report.
The only 10mm load I'd recommend is underwoods 200 grain hardcast load. They run reliably in my 4.5 xdm, the 220 grains.. not so much. I carried my 10mm in Ouchita mountain territory years ago and thankfully never had to pull it
I got my first gun at the age of 15, it was a Dakota "1873 S/A Army .45 Colt Clone", that was 55 years ago. I still have that gun and shoot it frequently. Over the years since then I have grown into acquiring various .357 & .44 Magnum revolvers of which even though sometimes the recoil does play hell with my old self I do love them just the same. However, I will confess I do have and also love shooting my 1911's all chambered in the Lord's Caliber, .45 ACP 😉😁 Great video PB! Lot's of valid points covered! Take care and stay safe my friend!
Pistols themselves are marginal for use on large animals. The best woods pistol is the most powerful cartridge that you can shoot accurately under stress. But carry a rifle if you can. Vastly more effective.
I'm glad you bring up slug choice in this. My Dad always carried a .45 ACP backup along with .338 Win for stuff like bear but always stipulated it be the heaviest FMJ possible. He even alluded he'd prefer 9mm FMJ to hot .357 125 simply because the 9mm was designed to punch deep not hard. I can appreciate wheelguns and heavier, more dedicated woods primary pieces but zippy hollows/semi jackets aren't great for front shooting a quadroped no matter how powerful.
I agree with you 100% brother!!! It’s because of you I bought a Blackhawk.45 colt. I’m still learning to shoot it accurately but the recoil doesn’t bother me. I’m taking it with me deer hunting along with my .338 Winchester mag. Recoil just doesn’t bother me because I got use to the recoil in heavy magnums and can shoot them well. Thanks for the video.
I used to have a lot of revolvers. But now I have auto pistols for city/rural work. If in the woods a lever action rifle is what I have. Love my 45/70 454 Casull and 44 mag even include the 30/30
I'm a Revolver Guy . I also shoot semiautos . I also like 10mm , for what it actually is . I have personally chronographed 10mm handloads from a Delta Elite . 220gr hard cast SWC @ 1320 fps . Not second hand rumors ; but fired from my hands over my chrono . That's overlapping into .41 Mag performance. It must be my Revolver background. Just because something holds 10 or 15 rounds , doesn't mean you have to mag dump . You can still aim & squeeze .
Your handloads are more than 99% (which IS impressive...coming from this 10mm fan) of what the 10mm fanboys are shooting...and when you get a 250-300 gr bullet with a big meplat to run reliably in a 10mm autoloader .. @ near or more that same speed you're getting out of 220-gr, then I'll consider the two cartridges close. Until then, 10mm is a marginal cartridge for big, dangerous animals.
@@plowboysghost Sure. Which is why I was making comparison to Mainstream Factory .41 Mag . My late best friend , and #1 Shooting and Handloading Partner was a True Believer of .41 as a magnum revolver round. In contrast to his scorching 10mm load , his " heavy " .41 load was 265 gr hard cast LBT , optimized for accuracy in both 4 5/8 Blackhawk, and Marlin 1894 . * For Me * , I mainly load 41 to the niche of 215 swc to aprox 80% recoil of 44mag, for all around , and deer . For heavyweight bullets , I use a 44 or .45Colt .
@@BlakeHouse-j3u A 250-300 gr .410" bullet will penetrate like crazy, even at less than full throttle velocities. If I were going into Griz country, I would likely choose one of my Blackhawks in .45 Colt running 315-gr @ 1250+ fps. .....or my 5.5" BFR in .500 JRH (450+ gr @ 1300+ fps. )
I’ve taken note that the times when I carry my 10mm (with “heavy” hardcasts) I’m also carrying a large bore rifle. But when I just take one gun, (berry picking, hiking) I always grab my 44 mag. Bigger and harder is always better. I’m cool with anyone carrying whatever for whatever reason, but like you’re saying, don’t claim a 9 or 10 is as good as a 500. Physical science usually wins most arguments.
That's my way of seeing it, too. 10mm is a great auto cartridge, but those pushing it to the front of all things dangerous game defense while ripping on true powerhouse revolvers are what's turning me away from 10mm.
If I was still physically able to section hike the AT I would leave my daily carry semi auto in the safe and break out either a .44 Special or .45 Colt's clone and load either revolver with some, let us say, "warm" loads launching 200+ grain LSWC bullets. I'm real fond of 250grn LSWCs, in either caliber for making big or just crazy as a bed bug "things" stop bothering me. Such loads also serve well for hunting purposes at relatively close ranges. But then y'all know that already. Take care and keep the great videos comin'!!!
Only thing i would take issue with is definitely go double action.Singles are great for shooting and carry,but in a clinch?More my worry when "attack" comes to mind👍
Thanks, brother. I just almost didn't post this, but decided there's no point in being picky about how I look, sound, or come across this late in the game 😁🍻
I keep that revolver mindset all the time no matter what im totin, probably because i was raised on single shot shotguns lol. Make every shot count is definitely the mindset to have wether you tote an actual single shot, a big bore revolver or a new plastic fantastic. People too quick to just dump rounds without tryin to really aim these days. I do own a glock, its a 23, 40s&w but even in that i still keep 200 grain hard cast in it.😂 that bein said 2 of my favorites for daily carry is still my 4 3/4 pietta 45 colt or my snub nose 1860 in 45 colt with 255 grain hard cast. God bless bud, from ole Carolina.
I love your outlook on things. You are right about not having to be there, live there or do it to have an opinion. I’ve never thought about it, but EVERYONE has opinions on things they have never done. Most people don’t know that unlike large cats… bears don’t kill before they start eating. They will just sit on you and start eating. A lot of the times they don’t start in any vital areas either. I can think of better ways to go. That can take a while.
AMEN Brother !👍 I handed out more revolvers & lever action guns this year at the birthday parties for the wife & kids so they will know ..... " How real guns work " LOL ! 😁
Speaking for myself, I have a .357 Magnum. I’m pretty good with it, but want to focus on making my groupings more tighter. I actually plan on buying a .45 Colt Single Action revolver.
Back in the 80’s, when society was convinced to make the switch, conversations went from “One shot stop” to “Double taps, Mag dumps, and faster follow up shots”. You can tell a whiner by a handshake. Someone with a firm grip is less likely to gripe about recoil.
I love auto loaders as well but they are typically just people calibers and if I ever were going to Big Ben country way out northwest then the forever more popular and getter her done caliber is my trusty 6 shot 629-3 in 44mag and shoots quite comfortably with its 8 3/8 in barrel !!! Oh but I still would carry a couple of speedloaders just for insurance purposes !!
Back in 1980 's I was station in Alaska. I would carry a S& W 29 44 magnum and a 338 winchester magnum for bears. Respect the bears because we are not on the top of the food chain. I totally agree with everything you have stated.
For winter camping in the Northwoods of WI, I pack a Glock 40 with 200 grain hardcast bullets. I used to pack a 44 mag Redhawk for winter camping until on one trip the Redhawk froze up on me and I couldn't open up the cylinder. Semi autos tend to work better in extreme cold conditions compared to revolvers. That's the only time I think a 10mm trumps a big bore revolver.
I have a Sig P226 9mm that was my carry gun for years. Heck, sometimes ill still carry it in a concealed rig during social occasions. But when I'm out in the field, running errands in town, or hiking up in the mountains, I'm carrying my .45 Colt chambered Smith and Wesson or my 1875 rem clone.
From what i have seen some one that shoots a sa . The single action is about the fastest out of tge holster first round off. Make that first round hit. Is the most important.
You tell’em mr. plowboysghost!!! Tactical isn’t always the rule for survival. 6 shots .45 Colt Hardcast +P out of a Blackhawk for me. No dilly dallying about whether that semi-auto has a fully supported chamber for that 180 or 200 gr bullet. 325 gr or something about that weight hardcast gas checked 45 Colt +P ought to do fine. And that means actually practicing with them! Thanks, sir!
Those who assume they are going to have all the time in the world to drill multiple shots into a charging grizzly bear might be in for an unpleasant surprise. That first shot might be the only shot before the grizzly takes you to the ground. Another issue that appears to occur with the 10mm(which is powerful for a semi-auto) is that caliber appears to be less forgiving of a weak grip. If you have a bear ontop of you that wants you for lunch, it is very likely that you'll be firing with one hand while your other arm attempts to shield your face and neck(or perhaps other important parts) from the claws and teeth of the attacking bear. That one handed grip is going to be even weaker and more prone to inducing malfunctions. Under such circumstances a revolver in the hand might be preferable since they remain reliable regardless of your grip.
My neighbors, the bear family, were hanging out in the sun the other morning, on the cabin porch and all over the yard. I was asking them about calibers and revolvers vs plasticos, since they spend time over on the Pacific Creast Trail scaring the tourists. They were all 100% in agreement about being anti-gun. I am not in agreement with their views, but can totally relate 😳
Wheel guns are real guns! Semi-autos are very often jam-no-bangs. Or they go "bang" -- but no extraction, or no feed. The video guy is correct about the purpose behind copper coated hollow-point bullets. Those were designed to take down bad humans (criminals-terrorists), NOT mean 4-legged critters with fangs and claws and thick hair/hides.
I was trying to very hard to watch you last night, but I'm old and exhausted from a really long drive. So I'm back today. We don't have grizzly's here in the Ozarks either, but we do have feral pigs, black bears, and oddly packs of dogs..I like to carry a Blackhawk 41 Magnum in the woods. I just feel safer. I like the 45 Long Colt as well. I don't play football anymore, but Alabama had a good game over Georgia...There is no substitute for a big wad of lead....I have been playing with the 45 ACP Super, because I reload and enjoy new things, but it is not what I would depend on for protection against a large mammal.
@@plowboysghost exactly!. I think you’re missing the whole point. why be uncomfortable if you don’t have to be? with a bigger gun you’re uncomfortable. Most people won’t carry if they’re uncomfortable
@@quoththeraven7 I don't choose what gun I carry by how soft it shoots...and I don't want something that is marginally adequate. That's the same kind of folks who think that 9mm is all anyone needs for defense. So what's the point of having anything bigger than .22 LR when. 22 LR has killed everything on the continent? Because I want to carry a bigger hammer. Those who denounce the practice of cracking eggs with a hammer seem to forget that hammers do crack eggs....very well.
@@matthewfain1328 I have zero experience with .30 Carbine, so I couldn't give an opinion on it. I know that my local dealer has a Blackhawk in that caliber the other day...as well as a brand new M1 Carbine clone.
I live in Alabama. On average biggest thing you have to worry about is wild dogs. Still prefer my tracker 44 as a hiking gun though. When it comes to being in danger I don't believe there's a such thing as over gunned in the woods especially
I'll stick with my 45 Colt wheel gun. 265 gr cast bullet running around 960 fps suits me. Back in the day when the 45 Colt came into being the Army reported that it would shoot completely thru an Indian pony at 100 yards. Those were 250 gr bullets over black powder running around 900 fps. Kinetic energy is tough to beat. I won't have but 6 rounds but I'm confident in them. BTW, your last sign almost made me spit my coffee out laughing,
Shit, I live in North Carolina and I have 500 S&W, 460 Mag, and my favorite, 454 Casull . Why? Cos I love Big Bore Revolvers. Now for Social Work I carry a 9mm but if Im in the woods I have something alot larger.
@plowboysghost love revolvers got my grandpa's 357 mag been thinking about carrying that lately im always carrying my glock and feel like revolvers dont get enough love and could a desert eagle be a practical edc and does the revolver mindset apply to the city or only the country? only thing im concerned about is running into a threat who possibly has a automatic with 30 or 50 shots
The John Wick scenario. I hear you . The revolver mindset is making each shot count and not hosing the world with your fastest mag dumps possible while swearing that is what's required. What's 30+ shots on tap compared to a couple of, powerful, well placed rounds? If I know my .357 or .41 Mag well enough to put it where it needs to go to drop the threat, it doesn't matter how many mags he has on him, afterwards.
I'm not going into grizzly country with minimum of 44 magnum with hardcast . 10 mm made to stop 2 legged animals but grizzlies? Yeah right! God bless you man.
People claiming 10mm is “good enough” for heavy thick skinned dangerous animals seem to forget one thing. 10mm was developed for social work
@@jason_m_schmidt622 Exactly. It's a great AUTO cartridge.
@@jason_m_schmidt622
Well said...!
The irony is, now people ask questions like, "Is 10mm too much for town/urban defense?" /facepalm
That's literally what it was designed for lol.
And the same thing is true for .357 Mag... They're both capable for black bear defense or for deer - but if I had a charging grizzly coming at me, I know I'd want something more powerful!
@@carlosmorris4510Yes. Pretty much everyone knows that 357 Mag was developed as a man killing or fighting cartridge, not a heavy game cartridge. It used to be universally acknowledged as well that 10mm Auto was developed in an attempt to replicate 357 Mag performance from a shorter, rimless cartridge, or in other words, the 357 Mag was used as the benchmark.
Somewhere along the line, that second part has been forgotten.
One thing I have experience with and will comment on.
Farm strength vs gym strength.
And I’m not just talking about how much you can lift. It’s the mindset of quitting when things get tough. Taking selfies, flexing biceps. Wanting to carry a peashooter. Country guys and people that do manual labor are just different. Higher tolerances
I definitely know what you mean. I used to be a LOT stronger than I looked, and I hardly ever went to the gym.
My first job was in the pulp woods, though. I got a Stihl 041 for my 13th birthday.
I worked hard and played hard. I could load my 3 wheelers in the back of a pickup truck, by myself with no ramp or ditch, when I was 12 years old . Id have a hard time with that now.
@@plowboysghost I think the new generation needs to fire more big boy rounds. I agree with you.
Agree 110% with this. Gym rats are like show horses: their endurance usually sucks. Especially when guys go for hypertrophy. Cardiovascular endurance is underdeveloped, slow twitch versus fast twitch muscle fiber, agility and coordination, etc.
@@LibertysetsquareJack I grew up working construction and just took strength for granted. always 'strong enough' I honestly do believe tho that some people are born to end up stronger than others. Not acceptable today but retard strength i a real thing. Basically mind set... the woman who lifts a car off their child... that sort of thing. in fairness I do think a lot of the folks going to the gym these days are doing it with an eye on endurance and also for health reasons/looks reasons. I have never actually been 'fat' and at 74 I am still 6' tall at 180 I know that it is mostly nothing I have done.. it was/is hereditary as most in my family are built this way.
I get laughed at because I bought a brand new Taurus single action .357 revolver the other day. I have a lot of the 9mm wonder pistols and a couple .38 snub-nosed revolvers but I've always wanted a SA revolver that was reliable. It looks just like a colt single action army to be honest, and it has the 4 clicks as well.
Spent my working years out West. Liked to hunt deer, elk and wild pig. When I stepped out of the truck, a Ruger Redhawk in .44 Magunum was always on my hip but a 300 Win Mag was in my hands. Even when I wasn't hunting, the rifle was what I kept ready when I was in the woods.
@@williammcclelland6789 10-4. Wise choices
In Alaska where I'm at, Ruger Redhaw.45 Colt buffalo bore 325 gr at 1325fps is what I use. I know the guy your referring to on TH-cam but most of my friends and other guides that I talked to also thought it was asinine......
He knows infinitely more about what he does, where he does it than I do...but carrying a 9mm to defend customers from something so dangerous and large was a very serious lapse in judgement...in my opinion.
@@jasonm6090 I know the guy he's referring to here on TH-cam as well... I actually unsubscribed from his channel recently - because to me he seems kinda out of touch; at least as far as what the most effective handgun calibers are when it comes to grizzly defense. He mentions one powerful revolver in his possession, a .454 Casull... But other than that he seems dead set on viewing the 10mm as the ultimate bear defense handgun cartridge. Plus, he quickly deletes any comments that don't line up perfectly with his pro 10mm narrative...
And this is the first post I've seen - anywhere - that's actually questioning the effectiveness of the number of shots used by the lower calibers in the recent Idaho grizzly attack incident (24 rounds of .45 ACP and 10mm!); no one wants to talk about that!
@carlosmorris4510 I hear you! Are you living in Alaska too?
@@carlosmorris4510 That 24 rds figure jumped out at me in a HUGE way. That is clearly an indication of a serious lack of terminal efficiency, at least in my opinion.
Even if neither were loaded with proper "bear loads" / 200+ gr hardcast, would the first shot into the side of the bear been enough to prevent what happened immediately after the shot.
I don't imagine it would.
Will a 10mm auto feed a heavy enough cast bullet with a big enough meplat to do what a 260-300 gr .41 Magnum with a .330" -.377" meplat cast bullet , running faster than the much lighter 10mm, can? Will 10mm match the on target wallop that a 315 gr .45 Colt bullet @ 1250+ can? What about 10mm delivering anywhere close to the thump of a 440+ gr hardcast .500 JRH @ 1300 fps?
Nope.
The young man in that real life horror had time for only one shot, and that light little 10mm failed. Were it not for his buddy with the .45 acp 1911 and his extra mag, the young man would be horribly maimed or killed.
Is there a guarantee that the bigger heavier stompers would have stopped the bear, shot in the same place as he shot it with that first 10mm round, no.....but I would still rather have whatever the extra chance the bigger, heavier, flatter nosed bullets would have afforded me.
@@jasonm6090 Yes I am actually... The 10mm is very popular up here, but I wouldn't rely on it myself; I trust the big bores. Semi-autos have a much higher chance of unexpectedly jamming - especially with really hot ammo, whereas with a revolver that possibility is extremely rare. I wouldn't want that happening if I were in that situation, so to me the revolver platform is much more reliable; much more dependable in that critical moment - where seconds count... To be honest, I think that most people choose a 10mm just because it's easier to shoot - but it's nowhere near as effective as a big bore revolver, especially in comparison to the super Magnums (340 grain +P+ .44 Magnum and up). Imho 10mm and these lower calibers are essentially like 9mm to a grizzly - requiring shot upon shot upon shot to eventually stop the threat; as evidenced by this recent Idaho grizzly attack! That's very scary indeed; it must've been gruesome... They barely survived. Someone even told me awhile ago that a friend of their's up here had downed a grizzly while hunting with their rifle, and immediately went about the business of skinning it... Only to be attacked by another grizzly that suddenly came charging out of the bushes! The beast bit into the top of his head - scalping him, and he unloaded all 6 rounds of his .357 Magnum revolver through it's jaw - pointing it up - and firing up into it's head, killing it... A horror story, to say the least! So yeah, big bores for big animals - in my view, at least. There was even one incident in the news up here to where someone had shot a charging moose as well, with a .357 Magnum (about the same power as a 10mm)... It took multiple shots and just kept on coming, trampling the guy to death before eventually dying itself; too small of a caliber to decisively stop the threat quickly enough.
I miss the old days... I just told my son the other day that back in the seventies (and before) a man knew without doubt that he was a man and it seems in 2024 a "man" gets out of bed in the morning, looks in the mirror and has to decide if it's boxers or panties for the day... Big bore revolvers were and still are king IMO!
Amen 🍻
We are a nation of pussies.
Real men are a dying breed in 2024 💯
@@hercules1073 Because that is what makes you a man a BIG BORE Revolver!! I guess someone should tell Phil Shoemaker he ain’t a man even though he’s a combat veteran and a brown bear master guide with 40years experience He has actually been there done that and is well respected by his peers But apparently imagination and pretend count for more
Couple years back I carried a big bore revolver 80 miles backpacking across the Teton Wilderness.
Pretty heavy gun. I can see why guys might decide on a 10 MM Glock.
People don't understand, or want to accept, that animals have tougher/thicker hides and bones and such. They don't understand a baboon's (ape, whatever) bicep is tougher than a human heart muscle and they can tear you in half. That bears can shred car doors with their claws without much effort. Dangerous game is no joke.
Very good points🍻
Hell yeah plowboy, there are to many pansy ass people these days, i’m 65 years old and i’ve shot big guns all my life, get yourself a 4570 revolver guys, that’ll stop a grizzly and trust me in the heat of the moment when that grizzly is charging you, you won’t even notice the kick. Love your videos my friend
Thank you kindly 🍻
I have a revolver mindset. I love this channel.
I have the same mindset
Thanks!
Revolvers and lever guns are tried and true. The thing I love about them is they will take the same ammo and you can go lower in power if you want to, like .357 to .38 or from .44 magnum to .44 special.
A luxurious quarter of an hour listening to common sense gun talk. Thx PB.
That's very king of you.
I love this guy!! he always tells the truth. 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
As best I can discern the truth to be. Thank you kindly 🍻
I currently carry a 9mm plastic toy. You've genuinely convinced me that a big bore revolver is not only ideal for the woods, but also for an edc simply because of their one shot stop potential with the right cartridge.
I absolutely love 45 colt. I will be looking for one. Thanks for the videos!
I'm really not trying to lead people somewhere they might not be comfortable. I'm really just trying to get people to open their eyes to things they might not have thought about before.
If you’re going to go with that caliber get a 44 mag instead because you get more power out of the magnum cartridge plus you can shoot 44 specials out of it.
@@theintrovertedcalifornian5047 A well loaded .41 (.410) Magnum can do just almost anything a .44 (.429) Magnum can do...and I can shoot .41 Special, if I want to.
I recently dumped .44 Magnum after 32 years since my first .44 Magnum..and I have no intention of ever going back.
.41 Mag gets everything that .357 Mag-.44 Mag used to get carried for, and heavy/ hot Tier III .45 Colt can get everything between the .44 Magnums( that I no longer have )and my .500 JRH.
@@plowboysghost 41 mag is probably the best pistol caliber ever invented I always recommend 357 or 44 mag because it’s easy to find lever action rifles in those calibers also.
Big bore revolvers = Timeless, unmatched power and reliability. Period!
That's been my position for decades 👍
Over 50 years ago my first woods walking gun was a 4 inch S&W M29 with Keith loads. I have used others since then with 41 Mag and up.
Presently, I use a S&W M69 2.75 inch and am very happy with it.
Nice choices, in my opinion.🍻
Revolvers forever! Love all calibers and configurations. I agree with you 💯 %
Thank you 🥃
Hit the nail on the primer brother. 75 year old combat MARINE with arthritis and always have my best friend 357 Magnum, Ruger.
A fine companion 🍻
My dad’s uncle once hit a grizz in all major arteries after passing through a fly with.22lr rat shot out of his belt buckle NAA. Saved his entire family and dropped the bear. I just carry a glow stick now
Always look forward to your videos for content and couldn't agree more. I own a 380 a couple 9 mm, a couple of 45 ACP, and 54 revolvers. LOL. 22 LR to 44 mag and 45 Colt. The only reason I don't have a Smith 500 or 454 Casual is I live in Florida. Nothing here on 4 legs a 44 mag would not stop.
@@dougrogers835 You're right about that. You might have a big snake or gator to deal with, but you've got that covered.
Real guns are wheel guns
I feel the same way 🍻
I love wheel guns and I've broken wheel guns. And that's actually my only issue with them. Once they go down you are left with a paperweight. And fixing a malfunctioning revolver action isn't something you can do in the field.
My only wheel gun I haven't broken is my model 10 SW. That thing is a surplus LEO revolver from the 80's, and is somehow still rock solid.
@@hardlylivin6602 I got an old model 10 also and the darn thing won’t die and still shoots straight.
I'm an old-timer and amazed that all these folks without their auto loaders. I've been the revolver guy for years, and much rather be throwing a nice big piece of lead from a 45 then from a puny little 9 mm or so. And you know what else is crazy. Trying to just find a nice leather holster for some of my six guns. I went into a recent large sports door which I won't name and ask. Where's your leather holsters and the young kids there looked at me like I was crazy. What happened to this world anyway? Anyway, 100% behind you man. Keep it up!
I know what you mean. Thanks 👍
@martinsmith8547 ---> It seems that they only have canvas or nylon holsters nowadays. I much prefer leather myself. I was in the military when our Colt 1911's were in a leather holster connected to a web belt. Then fast forward some years and went into the Army N.G., and the military had changed to the silly open top slide Beretta in 9mm in a nylon green holster. No thanks! I'm a firm believer in the phrase: "If it ain't broke - don't fix it!"
I have my 44 mag with a 12 inch barrel.packs a hell of a punch and recoil isn’t that bad yeah it’s heavy but that’s a bonus to!
@@tuckerjl That's a heck of a long gun...almost needs a forearm 😁🍻
Its my belief that those people that said what they said, were in the mindset of war. Being raised by a father who is a Vietnam combat vet, 100% disabled, I was told countless stories about how superior firepower won the day. The ability to overwhelm the enemy with bullets. However, this man lives and dies by the validated 1911. When the situation arose, 45 was knocking down an enemy easily. Thats all the proof I need. And I was raised on that principle and learned to shoot both 1911 and 45 LC pistols.
Great video! You made several important points!
@@kurtwise7356 Thank you
Glocks are Expensive Hi Points. I love the Ruger Blackhawk .41 Magnum.
So do I ,🍻
That is the funniest comment I've read !
@@kenday4158also the dumbest comment
Good video...!
Its high time we dispell the hype that surrounds calibers like 10mm & 460 Rowland. They are capable calibers but need to be kept in the realm of reality of their design.
Thanks for the video...
@@shadowcastre Agreed.
Point of fact: Autoloading pistol cartridges are smaller, have less case capacity, and are simply inherently weaker than a revolver cartridge of the same caliber in a modern loading.
Not saying Autoloaders are bad, I love 'em, but this is simply the truth. If you soup up, say, 9x19 vs .357 magnum to the max? 357 steals 9's lunchmoney, kicks it down the stairs, and makes out with it's wife.
.357 .41 cal .44 mag hot .45 lc and other's have been dropping bears long before 10mm was was even a thing.
You got that right 👍
@@justusbryant7366 .44 Magnum from revolvers, specifically, have a higher number of recorded stops of attacking bears than all auto pistols, combined.
@@justusbryant7366 🙄Plenty of people have and plenty of people have stopped attacks with revolvers, successfully.
Try to keep up..
@@justusbryant7366 tf are talking about where is your proof that they carry around lever guns over revolvers.
@@justusbryant7366 Someone sure got triggered🤣🤣🤣🤣 From what i can see, a whole lot of people are sharing half-arsed opinions based on what they THINK is expertise.
John Wick would kill the bear with a pencil… 😂
@@knife_knut 🤣👍
Only in Holly World would you see that !!!
@@jeffreyelliott622 😁
This did my heart good. Could not agree more with what is expressed here in. Also love the way the information and opinions are delivered with humor.
I really do appreciate you saying so. Thank you🍻
Here's an excerpt from The Prairie Traveler by Randolph Barnes Marcy (1861) you may appreciate.
"In passing near the "Medicine-Bow Butte" during the spring of 1858, I most unexpectedly encountered and fired at a full-grown grizzly bear; but, as my horse had become somewhat blown by a previous gallop, his breathing so much disturbed my aim that I missed the animal at the short distance of about fifty yards, and he ran off. Fearful, if I stopped to reload my rifle, the bear would make his escape, I resolved to drive him back to the advanced guard of our escort, which I could see approaching in the distance; this I succeeded in doing, when several mounted men, armed with the navy revolvers, set off in pursuit. They approached within a few paces, and discharged ten or twelve shots, the most of which entered the animal, but he still kept on, and his progress did not seem materially impeded by the wounds. After these men had exhausted their charges, another man rode up armed with the army revolver, and fired two shots, which brought the stalwart beast to the ground. Upon skinning him and making an examination of the wounds, it was discovered that none of the balls from the small pistols had, after passing through his thick and tough hide, penetrated deeper than about an inch into the flesh, but that the two balls from the large pistol had gone into the vitals and killed him. This test was to my mind a decisive one as to the relative efficiency of the two arms for frontier service, and I resolved thenceforth to carry the larger size."
@@brucetepke8150 Amen
Thanks for posting that 🤠🍻
Yep. I was just talking with my Pop about that quote a day or so ago. Awesome old anecdote.
The heavier, .44 ball with more powder behind it was more efficacious than the .36 balls with less charge. So yes, bore size and weight of metal **does** matter, whether 2024, 1924 or 1824.
Thanks Plowboy i agree with you,i live here in liberal California I'm African American and i shoot big bore revolver a lot of my friends can't handle big bore they have the same complaints that you mentioned, thanks for the information shoot heavy shoot straight
Thank you.
l live in Teton County Wyoming. I spend a lot of time backpacking and bowhunting in grizzly country here. I carry a S&W Model 29 .44 magnum loaded with 310 gr. hard cast handloads.
Most of the hunters and guides here prefer a 10 MM Glock.
The Glock is over a pound lighter. You notice the difference after a day hiking up and down mountains.
The guys I talk to like the added capacity.
I think .44 mag handloads perform better. And I think capacity is less likely to matter in a bear incident. I- can shoot the revolver- I've shot it in competition for a long time.
But, I'm also of the mind that any handgun is marginal for a grizzly.
I'm also carrying a can of bear spray in a holster on my chest.
Just bought a "old model" vaquero in 45 colt, and i love it. Nothing like a single action
@@wolfwithin2967 Agreed
wolfwithin2967...
I think you are referring to the original large frame Vaquero rather than the old model 3 screw Blackhawk?
I love my early large frame Vaquero in 45 Colt... I wish Ruger would bring them back in all calibers.
@@shadowcastre ah yes, you are correct
I live in Wyoming, and although I am proficient with both semi-autos and revolvers, I pack a wheelgun afield for insurance against close encounters of the hairy kind. A Ruger Alaskan 454 is what I prefer, although I have also carried a Ruger Vaquero with hot 45 Colt loads. Can't stuff an auto against a critter that's chewing on ya' and expect it to go bang, and if it DOES jam up, it may be impossible to clear a malfunction if one arm is being chewed on. If the magazine becomes dislodged, an auto becomes a single shot (or ZERO shot if it has a mag disconnect safety). Ditto on the single shot if one has to shoot with the rear of the pistol against their body, preventing the slide from reciprocating. I'll sacrifice a few rounds' capacity for a more effective cartridge in a launcher that has fewer potential points of failure.
@@noahmercy-mann4323 10-4. Thanks🍻
@plowboysghost Great video. I grew up hunting where those two young guys had the unfortunate incident of being attacked recently. Over twenty years ago that area was infested with grizzlies. There's a hell of a lot more now. We changed our hunting location to South of there a bit, about 20 miles on an air line as the old mountain men used to say (not an airline, but an air line, notice the difference....ok, as the crow flies...) but still in the Centennial mountains. In 2010 a sow grizzly with at least one cub decided she didn't like us Idaho bowhunters in her territory and charged us right out of there for good. It happens. These days I carry my 45 Colt Blackhawk with Grizzly Ammunition 265 grain +P hardcast WFNGC or my 357 Magnum with Grizzly Ammunition in either their 180 grain hardcast or their 200 grain hardcast. I'm gettin old so the 357 is a bit lighter to pack BUT it's double action. Our new area still has a few grizzly bears but they're not nearly as numerous as the area closer to Yellowstone Park where those young guys were hunting this Fall.
I'm just a revolver guy when I'm not out among people, but in the hills. I have the smaller tactical plastic guns with jacketed hollow points for those trips to Wally World.
I hope to see that part of the world, one day. I've been trying to get my wife to move to Idaho...
My EDC is an auto loader with factory ammo. I have other autos that I consider my "fun" guns including a 1911 in 10mm. Now would I carry the 10 into a situation where there was a critter that could eat me? Not at all. I have a 500 S&W or a SB with full tilt 44 loads for that. For the gun crowd that speaks about things being out of date or out of fashion.......well they are missing out on a whole lot of fun.
@@bamapat They certainly are. Thanks!
I have a ton of revolvers but only a few semi autos. Revolvers are much more reliable and simple to use. I do have one "lethal weapon" type and it is a Beretta 92s.
@@mikeofmanymikes2630 I had a 92FS back in 1992. I still kind of like that model.
@@plowboysghost I've had it for a couple years now and kinda suck at shooting it. I do like the cheap cost of 9mm though and shooting it through carbines is my favorite.
Revolvers will always have an advantage because they dont need to fit a cartridge into a magazine and round the nose of the projectile to facilitate the auto loading function. 10 mm is a good cartridge in an auto loader and I hear people comparing it to 357, but they usually pick a weaker 357 load and compare it to a hot 10 mm load. The reality is that the 357 is more powerful than 10 mm and the "old" technology bullets still perform better than the "modern" technology bullets. I think too many people are afraid to carry large framed guns, they are too worried someone might notice they have a gun on. And they dont want to give up the mythical "tactical advantage" so they change their name to Nancy, start shopping in the ladies undergarment section at the Walmart and get the smallest auto with the largest capacity possible that they can hide. Then they watch only TH-cam videos of people telling them that the 9mm or 380 Long is just as effective as anything else.
I....believe you are right about all of what you just said :)
I Carry a model 29 6.5 inch Smith & Wesson with federal hydrashok 240gr everyday in a Azula inside the waistband holster “during summer” “owb for winter“ nearly everyday. I don’t know why I torture myself with carrying such a large revolver for my CCW but I absolutely love it… that’s my only answer I can come up with. I have other pistols and revolvers but 9 times out of 10 I grab that beast and a couple speed loaders for my belt pouch. You have got me wanting a Smith Model 57 classic 6inch in 41 magnum pretty bad though…😂…Love the channel.
@@ROLLINGTHUNDER33A Thank you, much 🍻
Now that was good and to the point !
In Elmer Keith’s books he tells it like it was , his book I enjoy the most “Hell I Was There “
I use and carry a .44 mag stoked up with 310 grain WNFP hard cast ! Its really not bad to shoot at all I don’t think and I’m in my 80’s now !
If I’m going to carry power , carry enough power for the job !
Amen 🍻
Thank you.
I have 460V revolver X-frame with a five inch full lug muzzle brake equipped barrel.
Awesome 😎
I like my revolvers I have a 38 4-in Barrel and a 357 with a 3-inch Barrel and 357 6.5 and 44mag 6.5 Barrel I would choose my revovers over semi-automatic
SW and NW Montana and central Idaho is where I hang out with a buddy of mine. I carry my Ruger Alaskan 454 and ive also got the old 629 Mountain Gun revolver. We also have 45-70 and 450marlin takedown rifles. I still have a 22lr for small game. Last week were in one of those roadless wilderness areas alone. Saw nothing but mtn goats and the fish were thick in the stream. No bears to report.
I'm trying to talk the wife into moving to Idaho. I may have to settle for a visit to that area ...
The only 10mm load I'd recommend is underwoods 200 grain hardcast load. They run reliably in my 4.5 xdm, the 220 grains.. not so much. I carried my 10mm in Ouchita mountain territory years ago and thankfully never had to pull it
Heard that. The most survivable scrape is the one we're not in 😁🍻
I got my first gun at the age of 15, it was a Dakota "1873 S/A Army .45 Colt Clone", that was 55 years ago. I still have that gun and shoot it frequently. Over the years since then I have grown into acquiring various .357 & .44 Magnum revolvers of which even though sometimes the recoil does play hell with my old self I do love them just the same. However, I will confess I do have and also love shooting my 1911's all chambered in the Lord's Caliber, .45 ACP 😉😁 Great video PB! Lot's of valid points covered! Take care and stay safe my friend!
Thank you 🍻
Pistols themselves are marginal for use on large animals. The best woods pistol is the most powerful cartridge that you can shoot accurately under stress. But carry a rifle if you can. Vastly more effective.
Yep. I just don't know where to get a holster for my 1895 CBA 😁🍻
@@plowboysghostthey’re called slings
@@mountainmanmilitia3806 🤣
I'm glad you bring up slug choice in this. My Dad always carried a .45 ACP backup along with .338 Win for stuff like bear but always stipulated it be the heaviest FMJ possible. He even alluded he'd prefer 9mm FMJ to hot .357 125 simply because the 9mm was designed to punch deep not hard.
I can appreciate wheelguns and heavier, more dedicated woods primary pieces but zippy hollows/semi jackets aren't great for front shooting a quadroped no matter how powerful.
A hardcast 158-180 gr from a .357 is even better than the 9mm.
Thanks!
@@plowboysghost Oh definitely. Only reason I eventually opted past a magnum wheel gun is I'm a musician and I can only afford so much tinnitus 😄
@@DustyNonya 😁👍
I agree with you 100% brother!!! It’s because of you I bought a Blackhawk.45 colt. I’m still learning to shoot it accurately but the recoil doesn’t bother me. I’m taking it with me deer hunting along with my .338 Winchester mag. Recoil just doesn’t bother me because I got use to the recoil in heavy magnums and can shoot them well. Thanks for the video.
@@carycary5824 I really appreciate you watching and chiming in 🍻
The guide you mentioned admitted it was lucky. He also normally carried a 454 Casull as backup and recommended nothing less than a 44mag.
@@waynehager4228 I figure he won't make a habit of relying on luck
@@plowboysghost nope. He was carrying a Redhawk in one of the interviews
I used to have a lot of revolvers. But now I have auto pistols for city/rural work. If in the woods a lever action rifle is what I have. Love my 45/70 454 Casull and 44 mag even include the 30/30
10-4. Thanks!
I'm a Revolver Guy .
I also shoot semiautos .
I also like 10mm , for what it actually is .
I have personally chronographed 10mm handloads from a Delta Elite . 220gr hard cast SWC @ 1320 fps . Not second hand rumors ; but fired from my hands over my chrono .
That's overlapping into .41 Mag performance.
It must be my Revolver background. Just because something holds 10 or 15 rounds , doesn't mean you have to mag dump . You can still aim & squeeze .
Your handloads are more than 99% (which IS impressive...coming from this 10mm fan) of what the 10mm fanboys are shooting...and when you get a 250-300 gr bullet with a big meplat to run reliably in a 10mm autoloader .. @ near or more that same speed you're getting out of 220-gr, then I'll consider the two cartridges close.
Until then, 10mm is a marginal cartridge for big, dangerous animals.
@@plowboysghost Sure. Which is why I was making comparison to Mainstream Factory .41 Mag .
My late best friend , and #1 Shooting and Handloading Partner was a True Believer of .41 as a magnum revolver round.
In contrast to his scorching 10mm load , his " heavy " .41 load was 265 gr hard cast LBT , optimized for accuracy in both 4 5/8 Blackhawk, and Marlin 1894 .
* For Me * , I mainly load
41 to the niche of 215 swc to aprox 80% recoil of
44mag, for all around , and deer .
For heavyweight bullets , I use a
44 or .45Colt .
@@BlakeHouse-j3u A 250-300 gr .410" bullet will penetrate like crazy, even at less than full throttle velocities.
If I were going into Griz country, I would likely choose one of my Blackhawks in .45 Colt running 315-gr @ 1250+ fps. .....or my 5.5" BFR in .500 JRH (450+ gr @ 1300+ fps. )
I’ve taken note that the times when I carry my 10mm (with “heavy” hardcasts) I’m also carrying a large bore rifle. But when I just take one gun, (berry picking, hiking) I always grab my 44 mag. Bigger and harder is always better. I’m cool with anyone carrying whatever for whatever reason, but like you’re saying, don’t claim a 9 or 10 is as good as a 500. Physical science usually wins most arguments.
That's my way of seeing it, too. 10mm is a great auto cartridge, but those pushing it to the front of all things dangerous game defense while ripping on true powerhouse revolvers are what's turning me away from 10mm.
I own two 9mm pistols I keep loaded for home defense but for being outdoors 357 mag is the bare minimum for the woods.
🤣🤣🤣🤣. Loved it Plowboy!! You said it just perfect!!! 👍👍
@@millcreekrange Thanks, brother. I almost didn't post it...😁
@@plowboysghost man I’m glad that you did. Hit the ole nail on the head. 👍👍
@@millcreekrange Thanks 👍
If I was still physically able to section hike the AT I would leave my daily carry semi auto in the safe and break out either a .44 Special or .45 Colt's clone and load either revolver with some, let us say, "warm" loads launching 200+ grain LSWC bullets. I'm real fond of 250grn LSWCs, in either caliber for making big or just crazy as a bed bug "things" stop bothering me. Such loads also serve well for hunting purposes at relatively close ranges. But then y'all know that already. Take care and keep the great videos comin'!!!
Thank you.
Only thing i would take issue with is definitely go double action.Singles are great for shooting and carry,but in a clinch?More my worry when "attack" comes to mind👍
If you spend the time needed to cock the gun with the support hand thumb, single actions can be ran very efficiently.
I love and carry both revolvers and semi autos. Respect the gun 😎
@@thaistomp 🤠🍻
Preach brother!
Thanks, brother. I just almost didn't post this, but decided there's no point in being picky about how I look, sound, or come across this late in the game 😁🍻
@@plowboysghost yeah, we heard that 9mm bear story and i thought the same thing. “What a lucky SOB”
I keep that revolver mindset all the time no matter what im totin, probably because i was raised on single shot shotguns lol. Make every shot count is definitely the mindset to have wether you tote an actual single shot, a big bore revolver or a new plastic fantastic. People too quick to just dump rounds without tryin to really aim these days. I do own a glock, its a 23, 40s&w but even in that i still keep 200 grain hard cast in it.😂 that bein said 2 of my favorites for daily carry is still my 4 3/4 pietta 45 colt or my snub nose 1860 in 45 colt with 255 grain hard cast. God bless bud, from ole Carolina.
I love your outlook on things. You are right about not having to be there, live there or do it to have an opinion. I’ve never thought about it, but EVERYONE has opinions on things they have never done. Most people don’t know that unlike large cats… bears don’t kill before they start eating. They will just sit on you and start eating. A lot of the times they don’t start in any vital areas either. I can think of better ways to go. That can take a while.
That we do.
Like the channel enjoy the content keep it up!
@@lukeskywalker140 Thank you, much!
AMEN Brother !👍 I handed out more revolvers & lever action guns this year at the birthday parties for the wife & kids so they will know ..... " How real guns work " LOL ! 😁
That's how you do it👍
Plastic fantastic lmao! I hate plastic guns . 😂 I love my 686
Heard that!
Speaking for myself, I have a .357 Magnum. I’m pretty good with it, but want to focus on making my groupings more tighter. I actually plan on buying a .45 Colt Single Action revolver.
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@@plowboysghost By the way, what’s a good size barrel length for a .45 Colt, if I were using it for Backpacking, Camping or Hunting?
@@reesex3882 I like the 4-5/8 in a Blackhawk for carry.
@@plowboysghost Thanks, I’ll keep that one in mind.
Back in the 80’s, when society was convinced to make the switch, conversations went from “One shot stop” to “Double taps, Mag dumps, and faster follow up shots”. You can tell a whiner by a handshake. Someone with a firm grip is less likely to gripe about recoil.
You're right 👍
Good stuff, you have it in a nutshell, you are correct, can't disagree with anything you said.
@@joecallahan3379 Thank you 🍻
I love George Dickel signature!
Enjoyed the video, Mr. Plowboy. Like your T-Shirt. And is that a Thunderbird coupe parked behind you?
@@jamesa.7604 '92 5.0 LX.
Id just sent you a FB message to make sure you were all good...in NC.
I love auto loaders as well but they are typically just people calibers and if I ever were going to Big Ben country way out northwest then the forever more popular and getter her done caliber is my trusty 6 shot 629-3 in 44mag and shoots quite comfortably with its 8 3/8 in barrel !!! Oh but I still would carry a couple of speedloaders just for insurance purposes !!
Yep. Speed loaders are your friend, when applicable.
Agree! I sho do love wheel guns. I get some flak but I’m the one that’s laughing as they’re lovin’ on plastic & 380-9mm. I don’t like plastic.
The fanboys who keep hating on revolvers and spreading outright falsehoods about them are what's turned me against them.
Magazine capacity DOES rule on the mean streets of the bigger cities.
Funny though that when police carried 357 magnum revolvers they didn’t need 10+ rounds to incapacitate a criminal.
@@jason_m_schmidt622 Bigger and faster isn't always better. It's still all about shot placement.
Back in 1980 's I was station in Alaska. I would carry a S& W 29 44 magnum and a 338 winchester magnum for bears. Respect the bears because we are not on the top of the food chain. I totally agree with everything you have stated.
Amen...and thanks🍻
For winter camping in the Northwoods of WI, I pack a Glock 40 with 200 grain hardcast bullets. I used to pack a 44 mag Redhawk for winter camping until on one trip the Redhawk froze up on me and I couldn't open up the cylinder. Semi autos tend to work better in extreme cold conditions compared to revolvers. That's the only time I think a 10mm trumps a big bore revolver.
I have a Sig P226 9mm that was my carry gun for years. Heck, sometimes ill still carry it in a concealed rig during social occasions. But when I'm out in the field, running errands in town, or hiking up in the mountains, I'm carrying my .45 Colt chambered Smith and Wesson or my 1875 rem clone.
From what i have seen some one that shoots a sa .
The single action is about the fastest out of tge holster first round off.
Make that first round hit. Is the most important.
@@tbjtbj4786 Yes. When running a single action with two hands they can be ran quite accurately and quickly.
@@plowboysghost I never could do that. It doesn't feel right. And with the recoil of full house 44 I don't think I am that much slower with one hand.
You tell’em mr. plowboysghost!!! Tactical isn’t always the rule for survival. 6 shots .45 Colt Hardcast +P out of a Blackhawk for me. No dilly dallying about whether that semi-auto has a fully supported chamber for that 180 or 200 gr bullet. 325 gr or something about that weight hardcast gas checked 45 Colt +P ought to do fine. And that means actually practicing with them! Thanks, sir!
Yes, siree! You are spot on 🎯
In eastern Nebraska we occasionally see cougars. The one's you really have to look out for are in their mid 50's and want your paycheck 😊
One of my boys lives in SE Nebraska.
I am old and slow.
We have hogs and bulls. I have been charged by both.
I would rather have my 44 than the 45acp
And way more than the 9mm
@@tbjtbj4786 A 2000lb bull that wants to hurt you is VERY dangerous. I know exactly what you mean.
Those who assume they are going to have all the time in the world to drill multiple shots into a charging grizzly bear might be in for an unpleasant surprise. That first shot might be the only shot before the grizzly takes you to the ground. Another issue that appears to occur with the 10mm(which is powerful for a semi-auto) is that caliber appears to be less forgiving of a weak grip. If you have a bear ontop of you that wants you for lunch, it is very likely that you'll be firing with one hand while your other arm attempts to shield your face and neck(or perhaps other important parts) from the claws and teeth of the attacking bear. That one handed grip is going to be even weaker and more prone to inducing malfunctions. Under such circumstances a revolver in the hand might be preferable since they remain reliable regardless of your grip.
@@cgsimons1187 There's no perfect choice, but I figure there's less compromising with the big bore revolver...and better chances.
A grizzly can run up to 50mph and they can get up to that speed pretty fast.
Elmer Keith, If you can't get it done with six, 16 probably won't.
What do you think of bond arms derringer in 357 magnum
@@matthewfain1328 I like theirs in .45 Colt/.410, but I have no experience with their .357.
My neighbors, the bear family, were hanging out in the sun the other morning, on the cabin porch and all over the yard. I was asking them about calibers and revolvers vs plasticos, since they spend time over on the Pacific Creast Trail scaring the tourists. They were all 100% in agreement about being anti-gun. I am not in agreement with their views, but can totally relate 😳
@@oregonoutback7779 😁👍
Wheel guns are real guns! Semi-autos are very often jam-no-bangs. Or they go "bang" -- but no extraction, or no feed. The video guy is correct about the purpose behind copper coated hollow-point bullets. Those were designed to take down bad humans (criminals-terrorists), NOT mean 4-legged critters with fangs and claws and thick hair/hides.
I was trying to very hard to watch you last night, but I'm old and exhausted from a really long drive. So I'm back today. We don't have grizzly's here in the Ozarks either, but we do have feral pigs, black bears, and oddly packs of dogs..I like to carry a Blackhawk 41 Magnum in the woods. I just feel safer. I like the 45 Long Colt as well. I don't play football anymore, but Alabama had a good game over Georgia...There is no substitute for a big wad of lead....I have been playing with the 45 ACP Super, because I reload and enjoy new things, but it is not what I would depend on for protection against a large mammal.
Thank you...and Roll Tide :)
You have good handwriting.
Astute of you to notice, kind and generous of you to say so 🍻
You can stop wolves, coyotes, black bear, and wild hogs with a 40c that’s what’s in Alabama
...and one can stop the same things with a bigger gun.
@@plowboysghost exactly!. I think you’re missing the whole point. why be uncomfortable if you don’t have to be? with a bigger gun you’re uncomfortable. Most people won’t carry if they’re uncomfortable
@@quoththeraven7 I don't choose what gun I carry by how soft it shoots...and I don't want something that is marginally adequate.
That's the same kind of folks who think that 9mm is all anyone needs for defense. So what's the point of having anything bigger than .22 LR when. 22 LR has killed everything on the continent?
Because I want to carry a bigger hammer.
Those who denounce the practice of cracking eggs with a hammer seem to forget that hammers do crack eggs....very well.
What do you think about 30 carbine?
@@matthewfain1328 I have zero experience with .30 Carbine, so I couldn't give an opinion on it.
I know that my local dealer has a Blackhawk in that caliber the other day...as well as a brand new M1 Carbine clone.
I also have a clone M1. I’ve always thought 30 carbine was a neat cartridge. Found it sad that is fell to the wayside
@@matthewfain1328 I've picked up that M1 and looked at it...but I'd have to study on it to know whether or not it's my cup of tea
I live in Alabama. On average biggest thing you have to worry about is wild dogs. Still prefer my tracker 44 as a hiking gun though. When it comes to being in danger I don't believe there's a such thing as over gunned in the woods especially
@@thealabamianchilihead5649 Well said
@@plowboysghost hey love the content keep up the good work
@@thealabamianchilihead5649 Thanks 👍
Spot on. Absolute facts. You just summed up all the dumb gun fads for the modern kids
Right on tell the truth 👍
I try...and hope I get close to right😁👍
Best, honest, down to earth video you’ve done in quite awhile. Good stuff. Peace. I’m out. 🇺🇸
@@tucsonjack3991 Thank you, much 🍻
Last sign had me, Twas Hilarious.
Thank you.
I'll stick with my 45 Colt wheel gun. 265 gr cast bullet running around 960 fps suits me. Back in the day when the 45 Colt came into being the Army reported that it would shoot completely thru an Indian pony at 100 yards. Those were 250 gr bullets over black powder running around 900 fps. Kinetic energy is tough to beat. I won't have but 6 rounds but I'm confident in them. BTW, your last sign almost made me spit my coffee out laughing,
Thanks!
i got 460 magnum, 44 magnum, dan wesson 357 supermag. 10mm for squirrels😂. i like big revolvers😊.
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Is 44 magnum ok for self defense or is that over the top?
Shit, I live in North Carolina and I have 500 S&W, 460 Mag, and my favorite, 454 Casull . Why? Cos I love Big Bore Revolvers.
Now for Social Work I carry a 9mm but if Im in the woods I have something alot larger.
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@plowboysghost love revolvers got my grandpa's 357 mag been thinking about carrying that lately im always carrying my glock and feel like revolvers dont get enough love and could a desert eagle be a practical edc and does the revolver mindset apply to the city or only the country? only thing im concerned about is running into a threat who possibly has a automatic with 30 or 50 shots
The John Wick scenario. I hear you . The revolver mindset is making each shot count and not hosing the world with your fastest mag dumps possible while swearing that is what's required.
What's 30+ shots on tap compared to a couple of, powerful, well placed rounds?
If I know my .357 or .41 Mag well enough to put it where it needs to go to drop the threat, it doesn't matter how many mags he has on him, afterwards.
Im a revolver guy. I dont particularly like anything else.
That's the point I've arrived at, myself.
Great vidio sir thank you for covering thislove it
@@lessage760 Thank YOU, sir🍻
Thing about bears is they can still get you after you've killed them if you don't hit the brain.
Another great one
Thank you .
I'm not going into grizzly country with minimum of 44 magnum with hardcast . 10 mm made to stop 2 legged animals but grizzlies? Yeah right! God bless you man.
FOR GAME there is no such thing as overpenetration .... there is 'enough penetration' and 'not enough penetration.