Atari Jaguar Mortal Kombat is Finally Here

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  • @NEONBattleGlitch
    @NEONBattleGlitch  หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    What are your thoughts on this awesome port? Do you remember any of these rumors in the 90’s?
    Also make sure to check description for box artwork links! 😊
    Make sure to check out @TruFunGames full video here: th-cam.com/video/SMAGolo0CwQ/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared

    • @Pegfoxx
      @Pegfoxx หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I love the OG Mortal Kombat, but god damn this is an exciting project. Well done Chris keep up the good work!!!

    • @rustymixer2886
      @rustymixer2886 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      It's awesome

    • @danielmclaughlin2190
      @danielmclaughlin2190 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Its looking and sounding every bit as good as it would have in the 90s if not even better! (Aclaim?? 😅😅 its in WAY better hands!! )

    • @FlawleZ31
      @FlawleZ31 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Huge MK fan and absolutely stoked to see this project underway! My Jag/Jag CD is ready to play this thing already 😊

    • @rustymixer2886
      @rustymixer2886 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Great video, subbed !

  • @spiritchild9101
    @spiritchild9101 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

    The real story is that after 29 years since the final game release, there’s still a Jaguar super fan out there, still trying to make Jaguar games.

    • @fernandosandoval593
      @fernandosandoval593 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Si,como Dexter,jajajaja😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣.

    • @Randy_Reacts
      @Randy_Reacts หลายเดือนก่อน

      Actually, there are quite a few out there. You can purchase modern homebrew games that have recently been developed for the console, and also read up on future releases on the Atari Age website. People are now producing and releasing games for the Atari 2600 that would have been impossible in the 80's. There's a company that specializes in porting classic arcade games to the 2600, and their work is 2nd to none. The company is called Champ Games, and their port of Galaga is amazing.

    • @JDoe-gf5oz
      @JDoe-gf5oz 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      If I ever become a billionaire I'm going to have top people make the next hot game but only release it on Jaguar and 32X.

    • @_Paul_N
      @_Paul_N 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@JDoe-gf5oz why not release a Jaguar Mini like the NES, PS1, and SNES 😄?

  • @80s_Gamr
    @80s_Gamr หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    OH MAN... I love the raw footage! The stereo separation really sounds good too.

  • @EckonicMaster
    @EckonicMaster หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    This channel has the spirit of G4 -TechTV after 8PM on Sunday nights. That's a good thing. I love this channel. Keep it going.

  • @TheRealJPhillips
    @TheRealJPhillips หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    He's got a LONG way to go. So many nuances seem to be overlooked during combat in matches. I see what he's trying to do tho. Salute.

  • @JAC3DG33K
    @JAC3DG33K หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Been following this project for a while and yes it’s a pain to get games to run like you want on older pieces of hardware. Great interview and top notch editing as always

  • @tigheklory
    @tigheklory หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Jag-wire? It's Jag-guar like guar gum. Great video!!! 👍

    • @atomiswave1971
      @atomiswave1971 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Americans make it up as the go along....

    • @z0h33y
      @z0h33y 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      American English vs British

  • @retrochomp
    @retrochomp หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Love how Johnny Kage is still laughing with only his spine left xD

  • @VOAN
    @VOAN หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    He got the presentation and fatalities spot on but the gameplay mechanics still need more polish especially the knocking of opponent and all the defeated animations.

  • @GabeReal9009
    @GabeReal9009 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow, looks so good. Never knew there were people out there actually taking on such a task for a system that wasn't even around for long like the Jaguar.

  • @VandalIO
    @VandalIO หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Your channel should have more views

  • @mikedisher30
    @mikedisher30 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Aww man I’ve been waiting for this for 30 years finally

  • @sonofradium4835
    @sonofradium4835 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hiya! This channel is dope AF! I’m old school but it’s nice being able to check in and get a smile!

  • @kato771
    @kato771 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I used to love AVP, for the time it was a great game.

  • @CAPCOM784
    @CAPCOM784 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Really would like to see a physical release of this.🙂

  • @TheRealKaiProton
    @TheRealKaiProton หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Sounds like a combination of the 16bit OST too, sounds like Amiga, and Mega,
    Last time I saw this, I thought he was using the DOS sprites, because the arcade were too large, as he said.
    Everytime I see anything on Jag HomeBrew, and the 3DOHD MK2, Makes me wish Id spent my life learning C and C++

  • @grantrobinson4537
    @grantrobinson4537 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    What is a Jagwire?

  • @3dohd
    @3dohd หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    This is so awesome. Great interview and great work Jayde and Chris!!

  • @MKF30
    @MKF30 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I've never heard of the Jag-wire, but the Jaguar was alright way overpriced especially for the time.

  • @pabloignacioscaletta
    @pabloignacioscaletta 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What's a GameDrive MRQ?

  • @theglimmercast
    @theglimmercast หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The meeting of two incredible brands 🎉🎉

  • @Kevin_40
    @Kevin_40 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I wish it was MK3 though. :( On the Jag.

    • @oraclejmt
      @oraclejmt 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      F the mid nineties, IMO

  • @Evercade_Effect
    @Evercade_Effect หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I really like that people have a passion for retro games like this.

  • @user-fx6tp3gs8s
    @user-fx6tp3gs8s 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I remember reading about this in different magazines

  • @daxjinn7773
    @daxjinn7773 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ❤WE LOVE YOU MAN!! ❣️!!😊

  • @ZPaul2Fresh8
    @ZPaul2Fresh8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    *Giggles at the Tim the Toolman Taylor reference*

  • @vitalikshu
    @vitalikshu หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great. I hope he will finish this project. In terms of gameplay and presentation my biggest issue is “hit stop” lacking. Impacts almost invisible. If “hit stop” going to be more apparent than port is going to be great 👍

  • @jeremybowers3181
    @jeremybowers3181 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very cool indeed!

  • @ChaleX_TiquiciaGamer
    @ChaleX_TiquiciaGamer หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    If I would had been this guy making this port, wouldn't had changed the music on the pit and bottom pit, instead of "Kasumi", I would had include like unlockeable Reptile, the rest seems great 👌

  • @kaox44
    @kaox44 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Nice but something feels off and l don’t like the jerkiness of the characters. Hopefully the animation is better for the final version.

  • @rustymixer2886
    @rustymixer2886 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thumbnail perfect

  • @apap1586
    @apap1586 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I don't think there's ever been Arcade perfect HomePort of Mortal Kombat 1. Every previous version seemed to always have had some of issue.

    • @marcludwick512
      @marcludwick512 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      MS-DOS cd version was as close as you could get for the time.

    • @apap1586
      @apap1586 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @marcludwick512 yeah I saw that. Frames per second looks slower but good.

  • @ObsidianContraption
    @ObsidianContraption หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sweet! 🤘👾

  • @80s_Gamr
    @80s_Gamr หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's really a shame almost no programmers at the time took advantage of the full architecture of the system. That's why so many games are so bad for it. Poor ports and/or programmers not really understanding how to write code for its multiprocessors. Anyways... this looks cool. I'm happy to see it.

  • @maxflier
    @maxflier หลายเดือนก่อน

    Back then it was MK II that I was hoping they would release on the Jaguar.

  • @jeramiahforbes7625
    @jeramiahforbes7625 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is there going to be a physical cart release of this game if so definitely going to purchase a Atari Jaguar

  • @4g1vn
    @4g1vn หลายเดือนก่อน

    Impressive!

  • @VandalIO
    @VandalIO หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Didn’t know jaguar had a community

    • @spiritchild9101
      @spiritchild9101 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Seriously 😂. It wasn’t even popular in the 90s.

    • @aaronking9332
      @aaronking9332 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@VandalIO I almost fell for it when it released...fortunately I didnt have 250 bucks at the moment and other 32 bit announcements made the case for me to wait for the other "big 3"

    • @fhcc3924
      @fhcc3924 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      They on suicide watch

    • @originalbadboy32
      @originalbadboy32 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Still own my original Jaguar, I don't regret buying it for a second. I also have a mint Jaguar CD unit as well, which is worth a crap ton of money, which I bought a long time ago for peanuts.

    • @KirksCORNER1983
      @KirksCORNER1983 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😂

  • @zombee38
    @zombee38 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great retrogaming times that we are living ! who knew !

  • @coppermutant
    @coppermutant หลายเดือนก่อน

    Having never owned a Jaguar, if they make a Jaguar+, my interest will be with games unique to the Jaguar, but this exercise is still interesting.

  • @WickedGamerCollector
    @WickedGamerCollector หลายเดือนก่อน

    yeah ok that is cool.
    Would be cool to have that on a cardridge.

  • @Atrophyed
    @Atrophyed หลายเดือนก่อน

    I always dreamt of an Arcade Perfect port of Final Fight for the Jaggy.
    I trully believe that onw would even be easy for a skilled 68K programmer to make the shift to the Jag. One can only dream!

  • @ballistik_coffee_boy
    @ballistik_coffee_boy หลายเดือนก่อน

    awesome stuff, thanks my friend! Right up my alley so to speak :D

  • @MugenLord_inNeonLights
    @MugenLord_inNeonLights หลายเดือนก่อน

    After playing on the Atari2600 i went straightly to the Sega 8-Bit system.Never saw commercials or announcements for Atari Jaguar here in Belgium.I think i didn't missed much.Mortal Kombat on Sega CD.That intro is still great.

    • @thehumbleone1983
      @thehumbleone1983 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I’m exactly like you me too I had the Atari 2600 and then on to the Sega Master System but for me I grew up in Australia and also I didn’t see any Atari Jaguar commercials too unless I missed them

  • @claudijatzandrapova3347
    @claudijatzandrapova3347 หลายเดือนก่อน

    now to hope Warner Bros. allow him to continue as they own Netherrealm Studios who are the creators and developers of Mortal Kombat as Warner are not known to be fond of this sort of thing. Wishing him the best of luck but he needs be wary of Warner's thoughts on it.

  • @deceptionz187
    @deceptionz187 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Kasumi? Thats Ermac... should have just had Ermac and Reptile as secret fighters

    • @SRC267
      @SRC267 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Kasumi is an exclusive to the jaguar, its to make the Jag port more sought after.

  • @FlawleZ31
    @FlawleZ31 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you Jayde for doing this interview and feature! As a 90s kid and retro gamer/collector I LOVE your channel!

  • @davidbermudez7704
    @davidbermudez7704 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What a beautiful port 😊😊😊

  • @RedRanger2001
    @RedRanger2001 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This port should be compatible with the Pro controller (six face buttons and two shoulder buttons)...

  • @Randy_Reacts
    @Randy_Reacts หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've owned an Atari Jaguar 2 different times throughout my days collecting games and consoles. I always had an affinity for all those quirky consoles that never quite found their place in the video game market. The Jaguar, 3DO, CD-i, 32X, etc. The Jaguar was never a well-designed console with its open cartridge slot and its toilet base design - I believe with the Jag CD attached people say it looks like a toilet. And it's one of the worst controllers I've ever held. That said, I still like the stupid console. I kind of wish I still had one, although I would probably never play it; which is why I sold my previous 2. I do still have 2 Atari Jaguar console boxes, though...I think just the box can fetch around $100 on ebay. The Jag has an interesting history - first as a video game console claiming to be the first ever 64-bit console, and then later on molds of just the shell were sold as dental camera equipment.
    When I started collecting games it was actually a really fun hobby. It was the late 90's and you could walk into pawn shops and find all kinds of NES, SNES and Sega Genesis games all at mostly super cheap prices. No one really collected games at that time because consoles weren't really "retro", except the ones from the late 70's and very early 80's, but even those were super cheap. I remember I got my first Jaguar on ebay - complete in box with 2 controllers and 3 games for $30. About a year later I resold it on ebay and it only went for about the same as what I paid for it. Now you're lucky if you can get just the console with 1 controller for $200. I stopped collecting games when they became way too expensive for it to be fun. These days I'm perfectly satisfied with all the Mini consoles where I'm able to essentially get the same feel of the real thing because the controllers feel authentic, but for a much much cheaper price. Plus, they're all easy to mod so I can put dozens and hundreds of games on them.
    And that's my whole life story. Stay tuned next week when I tell you about how 20 oz sodas were only .99 cents, and every summer Coke and Dr. Pepper would run a promotion where you could win a free 20 oz by just looking under the bottle cap!

  • @mscottjohnson3424
    @mscottjohnson3424 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    1. Jag-war
    2. Jag-wire
    3. Jag-u-wuh
    Which is correct?

  • @gaminginstilllife9429
    @gaminginstilllife9429 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    free rom, i knew i still had my jag for a reason

  • @Heru3005
    @Heru3005 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Love your vids. Hopefully MKII and 3 get a Jag port too.
    Also, stay safe.

  • @ausgamecollector
    @ausgamecollector หลายเดือนก่อน

    You might say the Jaguar’s chances of succeeding were ‘mauled’ by the gaming industry…

  • @sergioestrada7459
    @sergioestrada7459 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very similar to the DOS version with optimal PC specs.

    • @deceptionz187
      @deceptionz187 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@sergioestrada7459 not even CLOSE. DOS was the definitive port! This doesnt even come close to that

  • @MauiPunter
    @MauiPunter หลายเดือนก่อน

    I always wanted to play that game system. Never got a chance.

    • @NEONBattleGlitch
      @NEONBattleGlitch  หลายเดือนก่อน

      AvP/Tempest/Breakout 2000/ Defender 2000/Iron Soldier 1 & 2 are def worth a look, via BigPEMU ;)

  • @tigheklory
    @tigheklory หลายเดือนก่อน

    I wanted to add that the game play looks like the physics runs completely different. It looks wrong.

  • @JV-ll1cu
    @JV-ll1cu หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Clickbait thumbnail

  • @suprshin
    @suprshin หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    For the algorithm!!!!!

  • @alexanderdorsey6400
    @alexanderdorsey6400 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey I just have to say will you place this home brew antstream arcade app. I hope you do so man peace out ❤❤😊

  • @garnetnelson1419
    @garnetnelson1419 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It’s JAGUAR like “jag war” not JAG WIRE

  • @BIGJ03SGPHS
    @BIGJ03SGPHS หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Was never a fan of the jaguars system

  • @mcasias33
    @mcasias33 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Let us use the # pad for fatalities, and then it has a reason to exist; otherwise just use MAME.

  • @adonian
    @adonian หลายเดือนก่อน

    Jag wire, jag wire, jag wire…😂😂😂😂. Jaguar 🤦‍♂️.
    Cool info, glad it’s finally ported.

  • @jogo8261
    @jogo8261 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love the little extras on the fatalities. Still has a ways to go, but it looks great. Would be great if someone could clone these fatality enhancements to the MAME or Mugen ports

  • @VirtualBilly
    @VirtualBilly หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    If it's "finally here" then where the hell do we get it??

  • @gboy1973
    @gboy1973 หลายเดือนก่อน

    love the passion... but why just mugen?

  • @cotton.
    @cotton. 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Maybe the new red ninja can be the origins of the red robot I think sector and with technology these days can't they take all the models and picks from the making of the original game and re do it so it 100% perfect graphics not a pixel in sight awesome graphics for the time is what made mk so awesome/along with extreme violence don't see eney games these days with the practical affects look got perfect cartoon but no rugged and raw style like mk 1 2 3 gave us

  • @gboy1973
    @gboy1973 หลายเดือนก่อน

    rawr

  • @aguilerajohn
    @aguilerajohn หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I remember renting this system and feeling so ripped off. What a dogshit controller.

  • @Scorpion24
    @Scorpion24 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's a no from me, MS Dos CD rom was flawless

  • @AJS-uw6ds
    @AJS-uw6ds หลายเดือนก่อน

    You say jaguar weird

  • @TheJL2kShow
    @TheJL2kShow หลายเดือนก่อน

    The music is different

  • @jahdorose8659
    @jahdorose8659 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good evening

  • @VetsRage
    @VetsRage หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I had that issue, infact a few weeks ago I threw out tons of old gaming magazines from 1993 to 1997 era. egm’s gamepros and others.

  • @panzerdragonlegend6664
    @panzerdragonlegend6664 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A perfect analysis 💯

  • @CHEEKSWHITE
    @CHEEKSWHITE หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    No iam still going with the ps1 version it's probably thee best next thing to the arcade, this here has to many cheesey sound effects and late response, who ever says this is the best is completely lost 😢😮

  • @slottygw2wvw842
    @slottygw2wvw842 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Clickbait only fans

  • @jasonsadler361
    @jasonsadler361 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Maybe the Jaguar was doomed to fail because nobody could pronounce it right :D. This is pretty sick, tho!

  • @SeijuroHiko-vx3lw
    @SeijuroHiko-vx3lw หลายเดือนก่อน

    17:39 Kasumi wins, lol.

  • @markhellman-pn3hn
    @markhellman-pn3hn หลายเดือนก่อน

    you "NEED" the special 6-button controller to play MK !! ... without it, your just wasting your money !! .... Sega/Genesis HAD the special 6-button controller !! ... guess where MY money went ??

  • @JoseBrisenoJr-hj1pu
    @JoseBrisenoJr-hj1pu หลายเดือนก่อน

    To the Ultra 64 would be better

  • @fernandosandoval593
    @fernandosandoval593 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A mi me gusta mas,el Mortal Kombat de Arcade,que el de Atari Jaguar,además el personaje Kasumi,aparece solo en la consola Atari Jaguar,ademas el personaje Kasumi,no aparece como personaje seleccionable y tampoco existe,en el juego original Mortal Kombat de Arcade,adiós y saludos desde Chile🇨🇱.

  • @democrazy69
    @democrazy69 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Kasumi?? Isn't that a girl's name?

  • @TheRealNameless1
    @TheRealNameless1 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Even if this came out 3 years after all the other versions it would have been regarded as the best. Well definitely better than the GB version.

  • @joseherrera8489
    @joseherrera8489 หลายเดือนก่อน

    lol, people are now PAYING to be beta testers. I love how he kept iterating that it would be free. Of course it will be free. He owns no rights to the game. Good work though.

  • @CRASHZERO411-r9d
    @CRASHZERO411-r9d หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hello Everyone 🎉🎉🎉

  • @juggawest
    @juggawest หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    To hear him say 1 character has 1Meg of RAM 2 takes it all up? I'm thinking Jaguar has less than SNES? It had 1st 3 Mortal Kombat games before 3D before CD or DVD. Which shows if you don't know what your doing don't bother A,B,C, START AND A NUMBER PAD LIKE A PHONE how are you playing a 5 button game with 3 buttons?

    • @TeeroyHammermill
      @TeeroyHammermill 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Probably the same way on the Genesis or 32X which has 3 buttons.

    • @juggawest
      @juggawest 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@TeeroyHammermill Did you play Mortal Kombat or Street Fighter with the 3 button? I had SNES version on all friends had both 3 & 6 I stopped Genesis cuz I was now paying for my own.

  • @fullnelsontecmo
    @fullnelsontecmo หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just a heads up, there is no “wire” in the word Jaguar.
    It is pronounced “JAG-war”.
    As a public address announcer I had to get that out there. Good video.

    • @rDanny
      @rDanny หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's pronounced how it's spelt

  • @Bk_owns
    @Bk_owns หลายเดือนก่อน

    Neon are you Brittany spears lol

  • @marcludwick512
    @marcludwick512 หลายเดือนก่อน

    For the power of the Jaguar, this is disappointing it's not closer to the arcade. Music is struggling.

  • @davejones1621
    @davejones1621 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Looks like a poor GBA port.

  • @KirksCORNER1983
    @KirksCORNER1983 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Atari Jaguar sucks

  • @LatashaMoore-y7r
    @LatashaMoore-y7r หลายเดือนก่อน

    You always be my favorite person in the whole world 😍 💛 💓 ❤️ 💕

  • @brewmaster-bq7gu
    @brewmaster-bq7gu หลายเดือนก่อน

    A lot of women were interested in video games in the 90’s or the early 2000’s. Don’t deceive me.

  • @TheRealJPhillips
    @TheRealJPhillips หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Sorry but, the jaguar was NOT a good system. I'm guessing some European investors made a system, licensef the Atari name with a couple of Atari game names and put it out. That system screams Europe. And a lot of European games are 🤢

    • @VOAN
      @VOAN หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Actually it was Atari who license their name to those European company dev. I believe they are called Epyx. They also made a handheld called the Handy which Atari also license and rename it as the Lynx. Both systems are advance for their time but had terrible marketing and terrible people running the company. Unlike other company, Atari hardly reach out to third parties so that's why their console hardly had any third party hits.

    • @archive3do769
      @archive3do769 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​​@@VOANFlare did the Jaguar. The Lynx is not even close to being related in anyway to the Jaguar. The guys that designed the Lynx designed the 3do after the 3DO company hired them.

    • @ArneChristianRosenfeldt
      @ArneChristianRosenfeldt หลายเดือนก่อน

      After the British invented something great like the Archimedes, they did the Jaguar. I actually would have loved a floor of European shovel ware by bedroom coders, but they should be clearly marked as this. And with a Jaguar better than the 3do we would have gotten good arcade ports. 3d arcade games seem to come on smaller cartridges.

  • @lamastu2156
    @lamastu2156 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Where is the game?
    First make the game and after the video

    • @archive3do769
      @archive3do769 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There is hundreds of dev vlogs.

    • @FlawleZ31
      @FlawleZ31 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What are you talking about? The game is a work in progress. She interviewed Chris for all of us to get more insight and another opportunity to raise awareness of the game.

  • @MidCountryGinger
    @MidCountryGinger หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So painful to listen to this woman butcher the name Jaguar [ˈjaɡˌwär]. It's not pronounced jagwire.