One of the best explanation on this topic I've seen so far. A follow up vid that show the benefit of the double time sequence (with example sequence were some kicks sits on the 'new provided positions' would be great. Happy new year.
ok yeah word i could see how that would be helpful. maybe i will do a followup on the subject, especially if more people have input on other things they would like covered. i think the additional "new provided postions" are helpful for anything you sequence and an example of such would be helpful. for the people who do a lot of no quantize programming it makes the sequencer more accurate.
Dface is there any way you can expand on the step edit? For instance I realize the SP has 24 steps but when you were scrolling through the individual steps it looks like it was going through 64 steps unless I'm incorrect there. Is there any way you take us through the notes and placement of your kicks and snares for that same sequence so we can understand that step edit better? Thanks
you can see my first hi hat was on 01, then it went through 24 steps and came back around to the next 01. The hi hats are on the eight notes so there for you would have 24 steps per eighth note which equals 48 steps per quarter note. 48ppq(in double time) on the thread where you found that chart in the sp1200 forum drumatic breaks down a simple drum pattern. if you want to continue the conversation it would be good to do it on the sp1200 forum so more people can chime and there is a better archive for future people with questions.
The ppqn is only effected with timing off I don't see a difference between 1/16th@120bpm from 1/8th@240bpm i don't think it's changing the ppqn its just changing the ms per beat due to the quantizing. There's no point of playing something double speed with less quantizing(to my knowledge) it's just converting the quantizing. 1/8th@120bpm is250ms 1/16th@60bpms is 250ms it sounds the same.
yes, you are correct with that assessment, if all you are doing is using 16th vs 8th notes, there is no difference. You are missing the point of this video tho. I am showing how to place those notes so that you can take advantage of the fact that when you use other higher resolution notes, you have double the spaces. I am actually demonstrating your point in my example as a starting point for how to program in double time. The purpose of all this is to gain resolution though. So if you take the 1/16th at 120 and move it one spot(unqunaitized) back or forward at the highest resolution of the sequencer, you are doing it in interval twice the size of if you used 1/8th at 240bpm because at 240 bpm you have twice the ppqn. using 240 you can move things more precisely in time(2x as precise). Does that make sense?
@@dfacedxa I just don't get what the point of doing it is? How would I apply it to benefit me while making a beat? If I wanna record 1/16th@120bpms why would I need to double when it's exactly the same as 240bpms@1/8th? Please explain cause I don't get it. It's the same amount of steps it's just converting the quantizing.
that book came out a long time ago. sold out soon after it came out. if you want a copy nowadays you have to pay market value and it is somewhat of a collectors item. i have a personal copy to sell but most people aren't looking to pay market value. if you wanna talk more about it hit me on ig. ty for checking the video
I like double time ‘cause it makes the SP’s eighth note swing work as sixteenth note swing, which is way more useful, in my opinion. (Edit: looks like Boef1 beat me to it)
How dose this relate to the swing? I read some where that you get a better swing when using double tempo. Any truth in that? A video about swing settings could be dope! Thanks for the video, and all the sharing of knowledge!
i think that's a subjective answer. so id recommend to try it out for yourself and see what you like better. thanks for the idea for a swing settings video
Hey man, great info! Thank you! Curious to know what turntable and preamp set up you are using for sampling? Also are you separating the outputs? If so, what are you using as a mixer? Thanks again!
i have a vestax turntable and a phono preamp. I explain how I track in my beats and what I use in another video on this channel in depth. it is called "DFACE DXA - Sampler Questions - Tracking In A Beat On The E-MU SP1200". Thanks for checking out the video!
I Have Both The sp1200 and the sp12 turbo and all this time i didn't know there was a step edit LOL Dope bro keep the Vids Coming I need to find out someone who knows how to work the EMU Emulator ii i have one and hardly use it cause it's complicated i got it cause it looks like the SP12 with keys
step edit is key. one of my favorite features on the SP. I have never used an emulator ii. i use an emax tho which is pretty simple like the sp. all the info you need is written on the front. sp12 with keys haha dope! put some time in on the eii and i bet you can figure it all out.
Dface really appreciate the video. Can you explain how this relates to the step edit chart Drummatic out together. So his chart then wouldn't have 48 steps by doubling resolution right? Is there a way you can tell us that difference. So like would a kick on step .17 in reg time be .34 in double? Just gets confusing. Thanks
Happy new year! I have a copy of the SP1200 book I would sell. it is the first edition in color and wrapped up in the original packaging as shipped from KDP. hit me up on IG if you are interested.
programming in double time AND half time is such an interesting thing. Honestly can't believe some people can't hear the difference but every sequencer is different man. I almost always program double time on the Alesis MMT-8 because it vibes so hard. I need to get a Midi Clock Divider or something though bc syncing multiple sequencers can be annoying when youre at 240 bpm haha
@@dfacedxa Well, I don't own any real drum machines really, just a bunch of MPCs. I use the MPC60 as my main sequencer brain, however there are features of other sequencers that are great. For instance, the MMT-8 has multitimbral input so I can record multiple midi channels worth of data into one track on its sequencer. I also like using it for arpeggiated sequence kind of stuff. It's also got a vibe and workflow that is really different and fun. Sometimes this is useful for multitimbral performances and the MPC60 doesn't have great Multi capability, unless its in a mode where you are essentially "dumping" MIDI data into it, and it has to be sync'd with another sequencer to do this. So there is one instance of why I might do that. Also maybe I just want to use the MPC as a drum machine, and do all my MIDI sequencing on another sequencer.
@@dfacedxa dont forget when you have multiple sequencers, you can set different lengths and time signatures, etc. Allows for some interesting polyrhythmic sequencing.
@@dfacedxa haha a little bit. check out the old MIDI training videos from Steve Porcaro in the 80s, he does some reallllly interesting stuff with multiple sequencers. Particularly, the "Thumbing the DX Sequencer" part.
Hi I keep coming back to your video for a few little brush ups as I’m fairly new to the SP world! Thanks! Just a random question: when I’m sequencing a ‘segment’ and say I don’t like the hi-hat pattern I laid down, how can I just delete the hi hat pattern only and reprogram it? Or do I have to delete the whole segment and reprogram it? Thanks !
I had a problem with polyphony with the sp12. Instead of 8 notes simultaneously it would do 4. Thats it. My work around was a digital mixer. 1 track at a time I would lay the samples.. Double time might be the cure for polyphony problem. I think that's what you mean.
the sequencer wouldn't have anything to do with polyphony. first the sp12 is a monophonic sampler. you assign sounds to the 8 outputs and it can only play one sound at a time out of each out. so technically you can play 8 voices monophonically. you are saying you are only able to do 4, which seems weird to me. if you explain how you have the sounds assigned maybe i can provide some additional feedback.
The book sold out when it was released but I can sell you a copy. hmu on ig: @dfacedxa I have the first edition(the color version) in new condition, still in the packaging. But I have to warn you, the resell price is pretty high and I am selling it for market value.
Droppin great science on the SP, dope methods bro, Happy New Year
happy new year homie!
One of the best explanation on this topic I've seen so far. A follow up vid that show the benefit of the double time sequence (with example sequence were some kicks sits on the 'new provided positions' would be great. Happy new year.
ok yeah word i could see how that would be helpful. maybe i will do a followup on the subject, especially if more people have input on other things they would like covered. i think the additional "new provided postions" are helpful for anything you sequence and an example of such would be helpful. for the people who do a lot of no quantize programming it makes the sequencer more accurate.
@@dfacedxa I agree with peterpiper, would be great to see the advantages of the double time sequence
Dface is there any way you can expand on the step edit? For instance I realize the SP has 24 steps but when you were scrolling through the individual steps it looks like it was going through 64 steps unless I'm incorrect there. Is there any way you take us through the notes and placement of your kicks and snares for that same sequence so we can understand that step edit better? Thanks
you can see my first hi hat was on 01, then it went through 24 steps and came back around to the next 01. The hi hats are on the eight notes so there for you would have 24 steps per eighth note which equals 48 steps per quarter note. 48ppq(in double time)
on the thread where you found that chart in the sp1200 forum drumatic breaks down a simple drum pattern. if you want to continue the conversation it would be good to do it on the sp1200 forum so more people can chime and there is a better archive for future people with questions.
thanks for sharing, cool to see new content.
thanks for checkin the video. i got more on the way.
The ppqn is only effected with timing off I don't see a difference between 1/16th@120bpm from 1/8th@240bpm i don't think it's changing the ppqn its just changing the ms per beat due to the quantizing. There's no point of playing something double speed with less quantizing(to my knowledge) it's just converting the quantizing. 1/8th@120bpm is250ms 1/16th@60bpms is 250ms it sounds the same.
yes, you are correct with that assessment, if all you are doing is using 16th vs 8th notes, there is no difference. You are missing the point of this video tho. I am showing how to place those notes so that you can take advantage of the fact that when you use other higher resolution notes, you have double the spaces. I am actually demonstrating your point in my example as a starting point for how to program in double time. The purpose of all this is to gain resolution though. So if you take the 1/16th at 120 and move it one spot(unqunaitized) back or forward at the highest resolution of the sequencer, you are doing it in interval twice the size of if you used 1/8th at 240bpm because at 240 bpm you have twice the ppqn. using 240 you can move things more precisely in time(2x as precise). Does that make sense?
@@dfacedxa I just don't get what the point of doing it is? How would I apply it to benefit me while making a beat? If I wanna record 1/16th@120bpms why would I need to double when it's exactly the same as 240bpms@1/8th? Please explain cause I don't get it. It's the same amount of steps it's just converting the quantizing.
Yup that’s how you get that feel 🫡
what up skibeatz! thanks for checkin the video
thank you, this is exactly what I needed to see
Salute man... Beatmaking video with sp
salute!
Greetings: Is the book still available?
that book came out a long time ago. sold out soon after it came out. if you want a copy nowadays you have to pay market value and it is somewhat of a collectors item. i have a personal copy to sell but most people aren't looking to pay market value. if you wanna talk more about it hit me on ig. ty for checking the video
I like double time ‘cause it makes the SP’s eighth note swing work as sixteenth note swing, which is way more useful, in my opinion. (Edit: looks like Boef1 beat me to it)
How dose this relate to the swing? I read some where that you get a better swing when using double tempo. Any truth in that? A video about swing settings could be dope! Thanks for the video, and all the sharing of knowledge!
i think that's a subjective answer. so id recommend to try it out for yourself and see what you like better. thanks for the idea for a swing settings video
Yes. When you double the tempo, you effectively double the PPQ, giving you more steps to nudge things around with.
Happy New Years fam!
thanks hope you have a good 2020!
After many, many years of trying to figure out how to make an uptempo, Remix of a slower tempo song, it might've just clicked.
Hey man, great info! Thank you! Curious to know what turntable and preamp set up you are using for sampling? Also are you separating the outputs? If so, what are you using as a mixer? Thanks again!
i have a vestax turntable and a phono preamp. I explain how I track in my beats and what I use in another video on this channel in depth. it is called "DFACE DXA - Sampler Questions - Tracking In A Beat On The E-MU SP1200". Thanks for checking out the video!
@@dfacedxa thanks bro! Appreciate it! Will check it out!
Nice breakdown.
I Have Both The sp1200 and the sp12 turbo and all this time i didn't know there was a step edit LOL Dope bro keep the Vids Coming I need to find out someone who knows how to work the EMU Emulator ii i have one and hardly use it cause it's complicated i got it cause it looks like the SP12 with keys
step edit is key. one of my favorite features on the SP. I have never used an emulator ii. i use an emax tho which is pretty simple like the sp. all the info you need is written on the front. sp12 with keys haha dope! put some time in on the eii and i bet you can figure it all out.
It's all about the step edit 👊
Dface really appreciate the video. Can you explain how this relates to the step edit chart Drummatic out together. So his chart then wouldn't have 48 steps by doubling resolution right? Is there a way you can tell us that difference. So like would a kick on step .17 in reg time be .34 in double? Just gets confusing. Thanks
188 is my fav tempo on the 1200, wish I could get my hands on that sp1200 book!! Happy new year !!
Happy new year! I have a copy of the SP1200 book I would sell. it is the first edition in color and wrapped up in the original packaging as shipped from KDP. hit me up on IG if you are interested.
@@dfacedxa I don't have IG how much $
@@akaixl83 what is your email? probably a better way to discuss this.
I'm interested in the book if you still got it
@@jdiggsrecords hit me up on IG, or drop an email address and I will reply there and delete the comment
programming in double time AND half time is such an interesting thing. Honestly can't believe some people can't hear the difference but every sequencer is different man. I almost always program double time on the Alesis MMT-8 because it vibes so hard. I need to get a Midi Clock Divider or something though bc syncing multiple sequencers can be annoying when youre at 240 bpm haha
thanks for sharing your input. why do you sync multiple sequencers if you don't mind me asking?
@@dfacedxa Well, I don't own any real drum machines really, just a bunch of MPCs. I use the MPC60 as my main sequencer brain, however there are features of other sequencers that are great. For instance, the MMT-8 has multitimbral input so I can record multiple midi channels worth of data into one track on its sequencer. I also like using it for arpeggiated sequence kind of stuff. It's also got a vibe and workflow that is really different and fun. Sometimes this is useful for multitimbral performances and the MPC60 doesn't have great Multi capability, unless its in a mode where you are essentially "dumping" MIDI data into it, and it has to be sync'd with another sequencer to do this. So there is one instance of why I might do that. Also maybe I just want to use the MPC as a drum machine, and do all my MIDI sequencing on another sequencer.
@@dfacedxa dont forget when you have multiple sequencers, you can set different lengths and time signatures, etc. Allows for some interesting polyrhythmic sequencing.
@@Ancaja123 ok nice you sound like a mad scientist
@@dfacedxa haha a little bit. check out the old MIDI training videos from Steve Porcaro in the 80s, he does some reallllly interesting stuff with multiple sequencers. Particularly, the "Thumbing the DX Sequencer" part.
Hi I keep coming back to your video for a few little brush ups as I’m fairly new to the SP world! Thanks! Just a random question: when I’m sequencing a ‘segment’ and say I don’t like the hi-hat pattern I laid down, how can I just delete the hi hat pattern only and reprogram it? Or do I have to delete the whole segment and reprogram it? Thanks !
no, you can delete just the hi hat. hold the delete button and hit the pad you want to delete while the seq is playing.
Hey man, where'd you get the kick drum you're using? Has some good punch to it.
All of the drum sounds in this video are stock sp12 sounds
I had a problem with polyphony with the sp12. Instead of 8 notes simultaneously it would do 4. Thats it. My work around was a digital mixer. 1 track at a time I would lay the samples.. Double time might be the cure for polyphony problem. I think that's what you mean.
the sequencer wouldn't have anything to do with polyphony. first the sp12 is a monophonic sampler. you assign sounds to the 8 outputs and it can only play one sound at a time out of each out. so technically you can play 8 voices monophonically. you are saying you are only able to do 4, which seems weird to me. if you explain how you have the sounds assigned maybe i can provide some additional feedback.
How can I get the book ??? Can’t find it!?!?
The book sold out when it was released but I can sell you a copy. hmu on ig: @dfacedxa I have the first edition(the color version) in new condition, still in the packaging. But I have to warn you, the resell price is pretty high and I am selling it for market value.
Did you try the espi app yet?
no i haven't. i am a fan of low hiss' work but an app doesn't really fit with my workflow.
I would sell both for $10,000 + (since both have rare ssm 2044 chip) and use as down payment buy a house.
but you wouldnt have hot fire beats . and interest rate are 7.5% pretty sure 10k wouldnt do it .
👊 D
Ay whatup drumz!
@@DXARECORDS great video. I sold both of these in 2012, before I could get $5000 each for them 😢
Hi. Hit me up as I have some questions about my SP -12. I hope you can assist.
sp1200 dot dxarmy dot com
Did u know about sp2400 ?
Ok. I see.