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My Cheap 1987 Buick Grand National is a Nightmare Disaster! Can you Help?
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This is probably the best care this car has had in it's lifetime. I don't expect people to treat it like a parking lot princess but it's nice to see her coming back to her original glory.
You need the rest of the air intake to be on. I think having the front of the MAF wide open is messing with the computer.
yeah i was thinking the same thing
Might also be having problems because of the cracked exhaust manifold
Not trying to be a dick, but why the hell would you not think the cracked manifold wouldn't affect a turbo car.
What I'm trying to say is Fix the cracked manifold...then move on to the rest.
Randy.... I had a 1987 GN. When I bought it , It didn't run good. It had a cracked exhaust manifold. This is a very common problem . They have a stainless steel header style exhaust maniold. Took it off, got it welded and it ran great.
Hey Randy, I drove one of these for 10 years back in the day. Check out the plastic tee connectors for the vacuum lines
on the passenger side near the turbo. I had similar issues and turned out the tees developed cracks. Ended up having to replace entire set with new GM lines and fittings. Cleared up all the drivability issues. drivabikity
Thank you.
@@AutoAuctionRebuilds yeah man just do a smoke test for vacuumleaks.
Can't watch this anymore.
Randy I have been really enjoying your last few videos. Now this content you have been doing is true to your channels name Auto Auction Rebuilds. So much better than the Copart and IAA walk arounds . A couple a week are ok but they get kind of dull when its everyday. So much more fun and interesting to see you do some wrenching and we learn interesting facts keep up the good work
Much agreed he’s a great wrencher one of my fav
Stock wheels look perfect. Such a beautiful car. Once u get thr bugs out u will really enjoy it
if memory serves me from owning two of these, theres a few ground points in the harness that sometime over time come rusty and need cleaning.
I second this! Amazing how much a simple faulty ground can affect the performance of a vehicle.
Loving the G Body content! I don't have a GN, but I have a 79 Hurst Olds Cutlass. I've been in love with these cars since I was a teen and my mom drove home in her new-to-her 78 Cutlass Supreme in 1987. Looking forward to seeing more of these beauties
Thanks man. This one is going to be sold soon lol. We will move on to building the 87 Monte Carlo SS
@@AutoAuctionRebuilds a lot of good info in these comments! These cars are so cool…
@AutoAuctionRebuilds Well, that's a step backward. Lol. Love the Montes but the GN curb stomps them all day everyday😅
Put a stock air box in it and connect the air temperature sensor. It doesn’t like running directly into the mas.
@@-_JayR_- It makes for "good" content, tho!
Na! Just leave that sensor dangling there, should be no issue......
Randy you made a little mistake. Never change 2 factors at a time. Go one by one so you know what is making the problem. You changed the broken hose and the más air sensor at the same time.
He will figure it out, but if not, “Hello, Car Wizard? Yeah I got this weird issue with an 87 Grand National…” Next week on Hoovies Garage: I bought the cheapest running and driving clean title Grand National in the country!” 😂😂😂 I spend way too much time on TH-cam. Oh man, WatchJRgo just dropped a video!
Cat converter clogged? TPS at idle should be 0% iac should run in between 10-20 - fuel injections could be trashed. Only my old Alltel obd 1 scanner will read GN codes. I have a 86 grand National and a 87 GNX wish I was closer. I’d come fix it.
You need to get in touch with Vice grip Garage he has a grand national
I used to have a 3.8 olds 88. I had some similar issues.. I had to change the cam position sensor and and crank position sensor. Also changed the coil packs and it fixed the issue.
That's a whole different set up, night from day 3.8 88 vs , 3.8 higher output with turbo... Settings way opposite
GOD!! I wanted that car so Bad when it 1st came out!❤
Hey there Randy you should get in touch with the car wizard up in Kansas and see if he can help you with the Buick Grand National
Would also be a great collab as well!
Last time we made an appointment he cancelled on me.
@@AutoAuctionRebuildsOh that was bad of them especially If they gave no expiration as to why they couldn't fit the car in to get it looked at
You sound like you belong there. You do it brings back good memories of the past. Please do more shows like this. HAPPY New Year my friend.
Love his channel im 23 wish I could afford a car rn keep up the good work
Get the right airbox and filter, fix the cracked manifold and fuel injectors!!! Absolutely love the car and I would love to see this issue resolved!!
The cracked exhaust manifold has alot too do with the problems you are having.
This series is a deja vu for me 15 years back i almost gave up on mine. I ended up talking to a local gn expert and followed his advice and the car finally ran awesome. The secret was the scan master it tells you all the numbers you need to know to correctly tune it. Also the factory prom chip is garbage and will Never letthecar run proper. You need a custom chip mine is a tt 5.7 i believe.Also the translator and lt maf helped alot. Fixing that intake plenum leaks also is key and elimimate any vacuum leaks and i believe you will be Pleasantly surprised. Add a kn airfiler and that air temp sensor and that ought to do it
The factory style wheels are 100% the way to go! They look great!
That's frustrating messing with those gremlins on that car. You'll get it right though!
Those guys at Kirban should be able to help you sort it out.
Great video Randy!
Keep it its a beautiful car and deserves ro be fixed to 100 percent
These new work videos are out of this world!!!! Great job Randy!!!!
I would unhook the battery each time i change something so the computer resets.
Did you ever fix the exhaust manifold crack on this Buick?
Randy do you think the cat converter could be plugged ?
The intake air temp sensor and airbox should be connected for best chance of success.
Absolutely
Duh, lol
This just oozes vacuum leak somewhere.
On the digital gauge cluster the orange light is +5 psi of boost and red light is +10 psi boost. They all seem to loop and almost die when cold. I really improved that by removing and cleaning the IAC ( idle air control valve)> I used Sea Foam spray to do it. I think the oil like liquid sat longer and helped lube the plunger. At the very least remove and inspect the IAC. I am running a factory chip and I don't think yours is factory.
Google those numbers on it. I could send you the numbers of my chip if you need. Also, try to get the numbers off of the injectors to see if they are stock or not.
Over the years people threw go fast parts at these things and got them way out of whack. Best to go back to a close to stock as you can a work up from there. Good Luck
She’s a beauty. Alex from LSC had a GN maybe reach to him. Like the stock wheels look much better. Hopefully you can find somebody to help you. Merry Christmas to you and your family hope it was a good one.
I think Alex burned Randy in the past. Guy is a jerk.
Remember when Randy helped Alex purchase that red/burgundy Calloway Corvette? I would be surprised if Alex didn't respond to Randy reaching out for help.
@@-_JayR_- what video was that? I watch Alex's channel too and remember him reaching out to Randy to help them bid on that Corvette.
I love the wrenching videos over the just walking around videos. You usually don’t buy them and I’m not going to buy them so it’s just content which I get but kind of a waste of time. But now like the other TH-camrs you need to build a big warehouse garage and start keeping the ones that are keepers. And stop beating yourself up working at crazy hours give yourself enough time to do it right and not end up driving home at 4 am risk falling asleep
Good Morning There My Good Little Bro Randy Lee Shear Of Auto Auction Rebuilds & Happy New Year To You & All Of You're Whole Family
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How about the cracked manifold?
🗿 exactly 💯
Randy,
I believe the computer either needs a reflash or replacement.
Randy, what about the cracked manifold? Are you going to fix it? 37:34
Good luck with the MAF translator. I don't know many people that have gotten one of those to work correctly. You may need to put the old sensor back on.
Red on boost gauge just means your in full boost and is working fine. The MAF is not happy when the hoses is off. You need it connected.
Great show Randy .Thanks for another great show.
You need to bring it to Pine Hallow Auto
Stock looking wheels are the best, good looking car
First of all you got to get that air temperature sensor mounted up don't worry about your iac sensor
100% right …Air temp sensor needs to be in airflow to register correctly
Great work I like older cars like this Buick and mustang keep it up
TPS at idle should be 0%. IAC should be 10-20...not 42
I agree with these numbers
You are spot on.
It’s displaying TPS voltage, not %
Hey Randy change you fuel injectors and computer chip it will run better
I agree on both. Plus its still got a cracked exhaust manifold.
I found an old gm parts catalog that ecm service # 1227148 is correct and the prom id, ACXA is also correct , all that means is it is likely those are original parts still do not like that the otc scanner will not work, I am looking at my 1987 otc manual and it should give you all the data and codes, the only engine it would not work on in 1987 was the 4.1 L,(cadillac), I am still thinking bad ecm or prom, it was more common back then, that ecm is no longer available from gm or ac delco, but there are replacements out there some remans that will replace that service number are not hard to find, a factory prom my be a lot harder but that chip your friends recommended will replace it
Randy the low pressure and high pressure lights for the boost could need adjusted. It should be on the fender well there will be a vac line running to it.
Wonder did u ever fix the crack in the manifold? If its sucking air or losing air thru the crack its not going to perform way it should. May lose boost, may cause rich or lean setting and i think its why car acts better after warms up compared to cold. Fix the manifold and seal up system and see that black beauty zip. I love the factory wheels and cooper cobra tires are a super great tire. The monte carlo ss will benefit from the other wheels and think it will look super bad@ss with it.
keep it and used it for just car shows a lot of people in virginia have them in car shows with problem( and my grandson said that you will win the car show trophy you will be the best car in the car show)
The red turbo power light is 13psi, if I remember correctly. Factory boost should be 15psi with everything correctly adjusted.
The stumble-catch cold idle is either TPS (throttle position sensor) adjustment (it has slots to allow clocking like a distributor) or a sticky IAC (idle air control) valve.
ALSO! The Red BRAKE light flashing on the left side of the instrument cluster when you hit the brakes is the power master accumulator nitrogen ball going bad. It starts with that symptom, then it will start delaying brake application which will scare the crap out of you the first time it happens.
time for a new chip in my option
Good morning Randy. The stock wheels are better. Replacing parts on your 1987 Buick Grand National. Adding a Scanmaster to read the codes. Are you going to use it for car show.?
There is a possibility that the computer itself either has issues, or is incorrect for the car.
Boy….well but I hope you find help soon. That’s a mess, but I hope you get it fixed and get the help you need. Keep it up Randy 👍
One of the common problems when these cars first came out was the cracking of the exhaust manifold. Most of us fix the problem by installing a set of turbo headers. It can be fix if you can find a person who knows how to weld. If it is leaking you will never get this car to run right. When these cars ran right they were the terror of the chevy and ford boys. I put many a chevy on the trailer at the drag strip. Back in the day few cars could touch them unless they were all out race cars. These cars were very hard to launch at the starting line at the drag strip. Too little boost the car would not leave very well or too much boost it would push the brakes and red lite. Most of the races I lost was because of this. But I had A lot of fun. A finale note that was the stock computer chip ACXA
Happy and healthy to you and your family
Sounds like you have a vacuum leak but I'm old school carb guy.
I'd be so pissed off and done with this car. Thanks for putting in all the work trying to get her running right!
Randy, clamp some vice grips on the hood shock and it'll keep it from shutting when you have the hood up
They did.
Wow the grand national is awesome so unique!
My daily routine it seems,
Auto Auction Rebuilds and a cup of coffee.
It will never run right without the airbox and filter.
Airbox and filter, cracked exhaust manifold, gummed up injectors and we're just getting started.
Connect the stock air box. 3.8s hate being open on the maf.
Randy it almost acts like the cat is clogged.
Make sure install you install air temp sensor as well.
When the GN came on the market, they sort of didn't since a certain government agency purchased a LOT of them straight from GM. Around 1990 or so used GNs started showing up at government auctions and were snapped up by small used car dealers. Another such car was the Dodge Diplomat. Both vehicles had found themselves being "rode hard and put up wet" by their government owners and sold for pretty cheap back then at those auctions. One of each showed up in my adopted hometown and both still had the red and blue, behind the grill and back deck flashing lights and sirens installed and fully functional!
Yea the stock wheels are better
Wheels look fire🔥
Coming in 2024 ; Randy 454 swaps the GN😆
I’ll say that whenever i have had one of these early FI engines get me totally stumped , i went back to the GM shop manual for the car and strictly follow the troubleshooting sections that are in there and that helped me finally isolate the issue.
1) yes put those 5 star wheels on your MonteCarlo please(I had similar 5 star prime wheels on burgandy 87 Monte SS before And I liked it). 2) Whatever MAF sensor you use, I think you need to cap it off with a cone style air filter than fits. I think the sunction through a air filter will make it run. 3) keep the vids coming, I am living vicariously through you LOL.
Try to get ahold of vice grip garage. He knows some about Buick grand nationals he has 2
The 70-90s car video content is amazing Randy especially enjoy the weekend videos have great new year
Fuel delivery problem?
The maf sensor on the 86 Buick gn is from a 85-90 fbody 2.8-3.1 multi port fuel injection v6 which does not like aftermarket maf and fuel injectors and fuel pumps either...
Hey randy change the front o2 sensor also you probably have a bad intake gasket . Check the maf plug and wiring. It might have a resister in line the harness under the tape close to the plug 💯💯💯💯💯
hi randy did you happen to check your fuel pressure,may have a pump going out,
Great suggestion.
Lol Randy I'm sure it isn't but that filter looks like the ones on my commercial mowers...lol
Well with that busted exhaust manifold I don't think what you have done will be much help until you replace the manifold or folds
Change up the upper/down oxygen sensors on the exhaust system plus plastic T joints no matter if they need it or not, Is this the car with a cracked manifold? Do a smoke test for leaks. Randy, Thank you for your consistent channel content, you filled in my downtime during the holidays with your hard work. Enjoy watching you personally wrench with commentary while trying to figure out problems. Enjoy reading the viewers input also. 🤟
That air intake sensor that is just sitting there is screwing things up as well as needing the rest of the intake. Take the entire intake system apart and start over if need be.
Yes on the wheel swap for the monte Carlo. Tomorrow is another day. You worked your azz off on that. It will come around. Happy New Year to you Randy and Family!
Randy the Grand National is a beautiful classic car that is really starting to rise in value, and its definitely an investment on your $24k. Surely a car of this value deserves to go to a professional who knows those cars and can fix it and get it running exactly how it should. And surely spending the money to get it running right would would protect your investment???
just went through the comments, most make no sense but if the exhaust manifold has even a small crack or leak these cars will not run right 02 will read a false lean and under boost fuel mixture will not be right, car will run rich, stall alot and run crummy,
Hello .. dude , car are coming along good 👍., I like the show and most of all the work on the fox body .. very cool making it stock .
Tell us people that you can not get a exhaust manifold to replace the cracked one . I guess you do not think you need the broken manifold replaced . At least try to put JB weld on the crack and try to get the right oxygen reading on the oxygen sensors. You overwhelm me apparently you do not read any of your comments. Have a great day. and have a happy New Year
You BL is Block Learn Management. You can add fuel or take some out using these numbers. At idle in a stock set-up it’s typically happy at 128, however can be within +\- 10 or so depending how it’s tuned. Right now it’s spiked at 140-150 which means it could be dumping a lot fuel in which could be the reason why it’s running rough. You really need AFR gauge to understand what it’s doing.
Side Note: Enjoying the videos.
Best upgrade would be a very comfy couch in the garage And pluming for a three piece bathroom.
I would try to find an expert who works on the Buick Grand National and have them fix all the issues and get it running the way it is supposed to be when it was built and rolled off the assembly line.😊👍
Do you know how much that will cost? The car isn't worth it to me. I'm going to sell it.
@@AutoAuctionRebuilds shoot it over to the car wizard, hoovies done his, alex at legit street cars has done these cars as well. Dont give up on it its a beautiful car
Randy hit up legit street cars he can most definitely help uuuu !!!
Thanks Randy. HAPPY HOLIDAYS!
Randy what about the sensor where the air filter goes it might be the problem with it running
HAPPY NEW YEAR RANDY 🤓🇺🇸👍
HAVE YOU CHECKED THE FUEL INJECTORS. THE OHMS ON THEM THEY SHOULD BE VERY CLOSE TO EACH OTHER AND THEY SHOULD BE CHECKED TO SEE IF THEY ARE FLOWING RIGHT. HAVE A CORVETTE THAT WAS MESSING UP AND IT WAS THE INJECTORS HOPE THIS HELPS OUT
Factory wheels look AWSOME...
I Feel Ya Randy, That Frustration, That Buick Grand National Is Quite The Car.. May Want To Reach Out To Alex With (Legit Street Cars-LSC) I Believe He’s Still Got His, He Works On Lots Of Those Older GM Vehicles,
Or Dereck (ViceGrip Garage-VSG) He’s Got Two Of Them.. See If They’ve Got Some Helpful Insight For You..
A stock air box and connect the air temperature sensor.
randy dont give up the grand national keep the car
i haven't sat in a grand national since 1995. my coworker bought it cheap, thought it was cool. it was pretty cool back then. pretty zippy car. kinda how i feel about my ecoboost explorer sport thats now old. lol. he did know however that the grand national was pretty rare, unlike my explorer. however i almost never see explorer sports. so maybe it is. i found you could only get the 3.5 ecoboost in a sport, platinum and some police interceptors. most police interceptors are the 3.7 non turbo.
I am far from a mechanic but was curious if maybe the catalytic converter could be stopped up making it run like crap?
Kirban isn’t kirban he sold his operation to Castle. Lots of the Buick community don’t deal with them. Translator and Scannaster are great products made by Bob Bailey. Ur stock air box is missing and u need a good cone filter. IAT goes in the 90 elbow that goes from maf to air box. Get an extender chip as it will allow ecm to read the extra air the LT1 maf can read. Stock maf is limited to 255gps.
Hey Randy I'm a long time subscriber from Toronto Canada & like others have mentioned, I am really enjoying these work videos even on the 150$ cars lol. Keep up the good work and the quality of your videos continue to progress for the better each year.
Happy New Year Bud!
The look of your Grand National is really tidy and definitely on par with Tyler Hoover's Grand National, and he paid over $60k for his!!!