Becoming Orthodox is the most important decision a person can make. Catechism should be taken very seriously. Church attendance is crucial. A new person to the faith should look at becoming Orthodox as a marathon rather than a sprint. Be humble be respectful be committed to learning with an open heart.
This is what I am trying to do. I have been in catechesis for almost a year and the last step our priest wants me to take is to strictly observe the nativity fast before I get baptized in late December. Fasting didn't make a lot of sense to me at first and maybe still doesn't but I am going to commit to it come November 15th
Good talk. Just to throw in my experience going to church and becoming a catechumen. There was a way I how it went down but I feel like God called me to Him. He may have used to TH-cam algorithms too 😂 I went from JBP to Jonathan Pageau and became an “internet orthodox”. He called me (and others like me) out and he said, go to Church and participate. It’s been a bit of a culture shock but I’m keeping the fast and my prayer rule and I’m slowly getting used to living with the whole idea of it all, as far as I have a grasp on what that reality truly means. But nice to hear I’m not alone, we have quite a large group of catechumens and recently baptized in our parish, it’s great that this is a world wide thing. It makes me smile with a sense of gratitude 🙏🏻 ☦️
Im in a very simmilar boat. JBP helped me deconstruct my atheism, though I was a defult protestant for a year before deciding to become orthodox. Ive been studying orthodoxy on the internet since then because unfortunately there are no orthodox churches near where I live. I have to move out of my parents place for the first time in my life.
Thanks be to God! You are not alone. You story is similar to so many others. I also have an episode with Jonathan Pageau. As I told him, JBP has been the gateway to many people finding out about Jonathan, and he is the gateway to Orthodoxy for many people online.
@@unibrowsheepZ You can do it! Find and stay connected to a community of people who support you and raise you up. Find a spiritual father who will guide you, even at a distance. And I encourage you to even make pilgrimages to monasteries or holy sights to bring you closer to the Orthodox Faith, and ultimately to Christ Himself.
@@noeticspringproductions yes indeed, thanks be to God. I hope Jonathan gets rewarded by God for his efforts so let’s not praise him too much here on earth and let God take care of that. God honors those who honor Him and I feel like Jonathan is doing a great job at that...I’ll check out your video with Jonathan too. I have a copy of Father Andrew’s book “arise o God”, pretty good stuff for all the noobs out there! Just in case he reads the comments under your video....Thanks Father Andrew! I listen to and like the Lord of Spirits podcast too. Greeting from the Netherlands!
@@noeticspringproductions Father Bless, you are most welcome! I am a former Roman Catholic priest.. and have been a layman since 2008. I converted to Orthodoxy over a year ago. The Orthodox approach to priestly formation is so different from my experience, the Orthodox approach is so wise.
- St. John Cassian, On the Holy Fathers of Sketis, Philokalia Vol. 1 "Now our profession also has its own ultimate goal and its own manner of achieving this goal, for the sake of which we willingly endure all manner of toil and suffering. Because of this, fasts do not cast us down, the hardship of vigils delights us; the reading and study of Scripture are readily undertaken; and physical work, obedience, stripping oneself of everything earthly, and the life here in this desert are carried out with pleasure.’ ‘You have given up your country, your families, everything worldly in order to embrace this life. Tell me, what goal did you set before yourselves in doing this? How might you achieve it?’ We replied: ‘We did it for the Kingdom of Heaven.’ Abba Moses said: ‘As for the goal, you have answered well; but in what manner will you go about so as to reach the Kingdom of Heaven? This you have not answered. When we confessed that we did not know, the old man replied: ‘The goal of our profession, as we have said, is the Kingdom of God. How we achieve this is through purity of heart, for without this we cannot reach our goal. We should therefore always have this purpose in mind; and, should it ever happen that for a short time our heart turns aside from this path, we must bring it back again at once, guiding our lives with reference to this purpose."
If a 46-year-old Christian male from the Des Moines, IA, area who has only learned some Protestant and Evangelical ways wanted to begin a journey to "become" Orthodox, where could he start?
@@noeticspringproductions to claim at this late date to have no knowledge of Jay Dyer and his influence is a lame cop-out. Doing a podcast like this puts you in the same narrow category of Orthodox Voice on the Web. To pretend you are not part of the Orthosphere is simply not credible. You have a responsibility to come to terms with your colleagues.
Parish Life is key, but Home Life has more hours under the roof. Proper Prayer Rule, Fasting and daily readings from Church Fathers and Gospe, are the second half. Turn one's Home into a Little Church is central to Orthodox Christian Life. I live far from my Parish, so Home Life is cardinal.
i hope to create that, im striving to learn more about The One Truth Eastern Orthodoxy. i also feel the need to one day go to an eastern orthodox church once im able to
Respectfully, Ancient Faith has done more than Jay Dyer or any other controversial layman to divorce inquiry and catechesis from the parish structure. I’m not quite sure how one can decry the rise of “internet catechumens” while running the largest internet catechesis operation in Orthodoxy, which also happens to be sanctioned by the Church. Maybe it’s not marketed that way, but let’s be honest about how the material is used, accessed, and seen in practice, and the effect the opinions of its authors and podcast hosts have on the faithful. People DO take instruction from these sources, and they even form part of actual catechesis at some parishes. I know Fr. Trenham isn’t part of AF, but he is similarly an Antiochian priest with a huge online media presence (and in his case, bonafide catechetical products and sermons that constantly present his personal views as “the Orthodox teaching”). Do you consider him to contribute to this problem as well? What about Ab. Tryphon, who literally records from the solea? Or are we only going after laymen with comparatively small numbers of regular viewers? The Antiochian Church, for better or for worse, encourages its parishes to outsource catechesis by maintaining this internet media arm (which was Protestant in origin). It is singlehandedly responsible for the fact that inquirers even start “inquiring online” in the first place (as they are often directed there within the parish), as are its myriad priests who give the equivalent of sermons and theological lectures to online audiences. This is what took the proverbial genie out of the bottle, so this is where the Church should start if it’s serious about this problem. Because the Church itself is terminally online when even its monks have a social media presence.
Timothy 4:3 Giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2.. 3. Forbidding to marry, Mathew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
@@claesvanoldenphatt9972 I don't know about the charge, for the start sit down with him and talk with him, give him a chance to come to the light and correct the errors of his way, give disciplinary punishment if so decided by the council or his direct supervisor and if still no reflection - defrocking, all in accordance to the canons
I stopped listening when the priest said don't listen to people who tell you Orthodoxy is not being nice even so this is true. If the deal is being nice you don't need Christianity at all, I am sure plenty of nice people are in Hell. The people I have the best conversations with are not nice, they have actually have lived full lives and have paid attention to themselves and others. So, their Wisdom is worth listening to. I am sure plenty of Glorified Saints were not nice people when they lived on earth. Was Jesus nice? Read the Gospels they are full of offensive comments and observations by Christ! Does this priest even pay attention to the Lectionary of the Church has he ever read the Prophets?
My favorite people are always going to be the ones who aren't nice. Teachers, occultists, religious figures, etc. Reason being is because they're genuinely kind and being kind doesn't necessarily mean being nice, especially when they care enough to tell you what you need to work on to essentially live, not survive, physically and spiritually. And that honestly requires one to shut up and practice humility, while not being a total doormat.
I think you misunderstood what I said, so I'll say it another way: I certainly agree that Christianity isn't about being "nice." But someone who constantly emphasizes this point is almost certainly just trying to justify his own bad behavior. You don't say that over and over unless you realize you're being abusive and don't want to repent.
@@frandrewstephendamick So, do you call on Christ to repent from all the offensive comments He made that caused the Jewish authorities to crucify Him? I just am not convinced by Christians like you Fr. Damick that are way Holier that Christ and the Apostels. I think you should read some of the works Danish Philosopher Soren Kierkegaard to get a better hold on the subject, I believe this Lutheran Philosopher has genuine insights in how Saints like Abraham were not nice people. I wonder if the State Churches of Scandinavia had listen to Kierkegaard, if they would still be a cultural force to day instead of museums with so-called priest and priestes playing dress up to entertain a few old ladies in otherwise empty Churches.
@@adolphCat No, because Christ didn't insist over and over to people that Christianity isn't about being nice. Indeed, He insisted that people would know His disciples by their love.
@@frandrewstephendamick Apparently, you have never read the Gospels or the Prophets, you seem to be totally ignorant of Scripture. One highly offensive statement after another highly offensive comment. Obviously, your religion is not based on Scripture or the lives of the Saints. Even God's Holy People are named after the trickster Jacob who wrestled with both God and men and somehow came out on top. I assume this also means the People of God are not the overly behaved type of people the ultra good/nice people you have in mind. I wonder how many nice people are in Hell, and how many Saints could never be classified as nice people or would even be considered good by most people. One of the reasons I am a Christian is that in Christianity, I can be honest before God, and my fellow belivers I don't have to pretend to be good. Instead of lying to myself and others I can simply say Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God have mercy on me a sinner. Where as Secular People have a need to pretend that they are good. I still remember during an argument with my father who was a strong Atheist when I was a child, I told him I was good and that I didn't lie, his response now I can't trust you at all. No one is a greater teller of lies than someone who calls himself good. Fortunately, a around the same time my Parish priest, in all his Sermons would tell us how much of a sinner he was he never pretend to be good or nice. Yet he was a God-fearing saintly man, if anyone needed food he would let people take it right out of his refrigerator. This priest was an honest man, from these 2 incidents I learned that Christianity was not the childish be good thing children are taught. Furthermore, at the University I encountered Figures like Soren Kierkegaard and classes on the Psalms, the Prophets, the Gospels that made me just as disgusted with nice people as my father. I learned to be authentic to follow Christ more fully and stop having my childish notions of nice. Even in High School I encountered a coach, that stopped pretending to be a Christian after he took a Bible Study that clearly showed him that Christ was not nice person. If you are concerned with nice, I am sure Christianity is not your best choice in Religion. I am sure another Religion with a nice god and or gods would be a much better choice for someone as yourself. A lot of people that practice witchcraft are very nice people, maybe instead of wasting time with Christ, who doesn't hold your values you should investigate the sprits these people serve.
@@perryandy2 1. You took that info from the Bible 2. You meant it as a biblical truth, and if the Bible says it, than it is wrong to call someone Father. 3. The way you said it. All these 3 presume you know ”what the Bible says”
@@perryandy2 You are funny. Saint Paul said what I told you. Who is more likely to think according to God? And even if it was a Saint saying it, as long as it is not what was taught by Jesus, the Apostles and their succesors, it is heretical.
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Becoming Orthodox is the most important decision a person can make. Catechism should be taken very seriously. Church attendance is crucial. A new person to the faith should look at becoming Orthodox as a marathon rather than a sprint. Be humble be respectful be committed to learning with an open heart.
This is what I am trying to do. I have been in catechesis for almost a year and the last step our priest wants me to take is to strictly observe the nativity fast before I get baptized in late December. Fasting didn't make a lot of sense to me at first and maybe still doesn't but I am going to commit to it come November 15th
@@harrygarris6921 It will all make sense when the feast comes, I promise! At most.
@@harrygarris6921 Do the best you can. Follow your Priests instructions and keep a good relationship with him. It will be a blessing for you
Good talk. Just to throw in my experience going to church and becoming a catechumen. There was a way I how it went down but I feel like God called me to Him. He may have used to TH-cam algorithms too 😂 I went from JBP to Jonathan Pageau and became an “internet orthodox”. He called me (and others like me) out and he said, go to Church and participate. It’s been a bit of a culture shock but I’m keeping the fast and my prayer rule and I’m slowly getting used to living with the whole idea of it all, as far as I have a grasp on what that reality truly means. But nice to hear I’m not alone, we have quite a large group of catechumens and recently baptized in our parish, it’s great that this is a world wide thing. It makes me smile with a sense of gratitude 🙏🏻 ☦️
Im in a very simmilar boat. JBP helped me deconstruct my atheism, though I was a defult protestant for a year before deciding to become orthodox. Ive been studying orthodoxy on the internet since then because unfortunately there are no orthodox churches near where I live. I have to move out of my parents place for the first time in my life.
Thanks be to God! You are not alone. You story is similar to so many others. I also have an episode with Jonathan Pageau. As I told him, JBP has been the gateway to many people finding out about Jonathan, and he is the gateway to Orthodoxy for many people online.
@@unibrowsheepZ You can do it! Find and stay connected to a community of people who support you and raise you up. Find a spiritual father who will guide you, even at a distance. And I encourage you to even make pilgrimages to monasteries or holy sights to bring you closer to the Orthodox Faith, and ultimately to Christ Himself.
@@noeticspringproductions yes indeed, thanks be to God. I hope Jonathan gets rewarded by God for his efforts so let’s not praise him too much here on earth and let God take care of that. God honors those who honor Him and I feel like Jonathan is doing a great job at that...I’ll check out your video with Jonathan too. I have a copy of Father Andrew’s book “arise o God”, pretty good stuff for all the noobs out there! Just in case he reads the comments under your video....Thanks Father Andrew! I listen to and like the Lord of Spirits podcast too. Greeting from the Netherlands!
I’m another brother in the JBP -> Pageau -> Orthodoxy pipeline. God bless you 🙏
Fantastic episode! The discussion regarding priestly formation and evangelization to a “pre- Christian” population was excellent! Wisdom!
Glory to God! Thank you for watching and listening.
@@noeticspringproductions Father Bless, you are most welcome! I am a former Roman Catholic priest.. and have been a layman since 2008. I converted to Orthodoxy over a year ago. The Orthodox approach to priestly formation is so different from my experience, the Orthodox approach is so wise.
Great talk
A great conversation! Could you direct me to the text by St. John Cassian you mentioned you use in catechism?
- St. John Cassian, On the Holy Fathers of Sketis, Philokalia Vol. 1
"Now our profession also has its own ultimate goal and its own manner of achieving this goal, for the sake of which we willingly endure all manner of toil and suffering. Because of this, fasts do not cast us down, the hardship of vigils delights us; the reading and study of Scripture are readily undertaken; and physical work, obedience, stripping oneself of everything earthly, and the life here in this desert are carried out with pleasure.’
‘You have given up your country, your families, everything worldly in order to embrace this life. Tell me, what goal did you set before yourselves in doing this? How might you achieve it?’
We replied: ‘We did it for the Kingdom of Heaven.’
Abba Moses said: ‘As for the goal, you have answered well; but in what manner will you go about so as to reach the Kingdom of Heaven? This you have not answered.
When we confessed that we did not know, the old man replied: ‘The goal of our profession, as we have said, is the Kingdom of God. How we achieve this is through purity of heart, for without this we cannot reach our goal. We should therefore always have this purpose in mind; and, should it ever happen that for a short time our heart turns aside from this path, we must bring it back again at once, guiding our lives with reference to this purpose."
@@noeticspringproductions Wonderful, thank you so much Father.
🤍🙏 may God bless you!
If a 46-year-old Christian male from the Des Moines, IA, area who has only learned some Protestant and Evangelical ways wanted to begin a journey to "become" Orthodox, where could he start?
Either one of those is a good option.
With a local Orthodox Priest & parish, ideally. The same long-distance if that is your only option.
I have abunch of catechumens at my church thanks to Jay Dyer. Everyone should check his work out
Now I don't know much about Jay Dyer but I do know, "Everything works for the Good for those who Love God, who are called according to His purpose."
Same, many of the recent catechumens found Orthodoxy via his work.
His theology is great
Jay Dyer is a phase that should be gone through quickly.
@@noeticspringproductions to claim at this late date to have no knowledge of Jay Dyer and his influence is a lame cop-out. Doing a podcast like this puts you in the same narrow category of Orthodox Voice on the Web. To pretend you are not part of the Orthosphere is simply not credible. You have a responsibility to come to terms with your colleagues.
Parish Life is key, but Home Life has more hours under the roof. Proper Prayer Rule, Fasting and daily readings from Church Fathers and Gospe, are the second half. Turn one's Home into a Little Church is central to Orthodox Christian Life. I live far from my Parish, so Home Life is cardinal.
i hope to create that, im striving to learn more about The One Truth Eastern Orthodoxy. i also feel the need to one day go to an eastern orthodox church once im able to
Respectfully, Ancient Faith has done more than Jay Dyer or any other controversial layman to divorce inquiry and catechesis from the parish structure. I’m not quite sure how one can decry the rise of “internet catechumens” while running the largest internet catechesis operation in Orthodoxy, which also happens to be sanctioned by the Church. Maybe it’s not marketed that way, but let’s be honest about how the material is used, accessed, and seen in practice, and the effect the opinions of its authors and podcast hosts have on the faithful. People DO take instruction from these sources, and they even form part of actual catechesis at some parishes. I know Fr. Trenham isn’t part of AF, but he is similarly an Antiochian priest with a huge online media presence (and in his case, bonafide catechetical products and sermons that constantly present his personal views as “the Orthodox teaching”). Do you consider him to contribute to this problem as well? What about Ab. Tryphon, who literally records from the solea? Or are we only going after laymen with comparatively small numbers of regular viewers? The Antiochian Church, for better or for worse, encourages its parishes to outsource catechesis by maintaining this internet media arm (which was Protestant in origin). It is singlehandedly responsible for the fact that inquirers even start “inquiring online” in the first place (as they are often directed there within the parish), as are its myriad priests who give the equivalent of sermons and theological lectures to online audiences. This is what took the proverbial genie out of the bottle, so this is where the Church should start if it’s serious about this problem. Because the Church itself is terminally online when even its monks have a social media presence.
Hello! Thank you for your comment. Are you arguing for or against an online social media presence by the Church? I was just a little confused. Thanks.
This is spot on.
Great talk but I really should not have to put my volume up to 100% to hear you when you've got a professional looking microphone right there.
Good point! Thank you. Still trying to figure out this whole editing thing 😅
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there's very logical reasons to abstain from sexual immortality, drugs, greed, violence, etc
The moderator is very good but is very soft vocally.
Timothy 4:3 Giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2.. 3. Forbidding to marry, Mathew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Why Church doesn't defrock this pseudo Andrew I don't understand
clown world keyboard coward
@@alexandervajda7308 is that your autobiography?
@@FirstnameLastname-py3bc hahaha that is a good one thanks for the smile, at least you haven't lost a sense of humor.
Pretending for a moment that you are a serious person with a legitimate complaint, what charge do you propose against Fr. Andrew?
@@claesvanoldenphatt9972 I don't know about the charge, for the start sit down with him and talk with him, give him a chance to come to the light and correct the errors of his way, give disciplinary punishment if so decided by the council or his direct supervisor and if still no reflection - defrocking, all in accordance to the canons
I stopped listening when the priest said don't listen to people who tell you Orthodoxy is not being nice even so this is true. If the deal is being nice you don't need Christianity at all, I am sure plenty of nice people are in Hell. The people I have the best conversations with are not nice, they have actually have lived full lives and have paid attention to themselves and others. So, their Wisdom is worth listening to. I am sure plenty of Glorified Saints were not nice people when they lived on earth. Was Jesus nice? Read the Gospels they are full of offensive comments and observations by Christ!
Does this priest even pay attention to the Lectionary of the Church has he ever read the Prophets?
My favorite people are always going to be the ones who aren't nice. Teachers, occultists, religious figures, etc. Reason being is because they're genuinely kind and being kind doesn't necessarily mean being nice, especially when they care enough to tell you what you need to work on to essentially live, not survive, physically and spiritually. And that honestly requires one to shut up and practice humility, while not being a total doormat.
I think you misunderstood what I said, so I'll say it another way:
I certainly agree that Christianity isn't about being "nice."
But someone who constantly emphasizes this point is almost certainly just trying to justify his own bad behavior. You don't say that over and over unless you realize you're being abusive and don't want to repent.
@@frandrewstephendamick So, do you call on Christ to repent from all the offensive comments He made that caused the Jewish authorities to crucify Him? I just am not convinced by Christians like you Fr. Damick that are way Holier that Christ and the Apostels. I think you should read some of the works Danish Philosopher Soren Kierkegaard to get a better hold on the subject, I believe this Lutheran Philosopher has genuine insights in how Saints like Abraham were not nice people. I wonder if the State Churches of Scandinavia had listen to Kierkegaard, if they would still be a cultural force to day instead of museums with so-called priest and priestes playing dress up to entertain a few old ladies in otherwise empty Churches.
@@adolphCat No, because Christ didn't insist over and over to people that Christianity isn't about being nice.
Indeed, He insisted that people would know His disciples by their love.
@@frandrewstephendamick Apparently, you have never read the Gospels or the Prophets, you seem to be totally ignorant of Scripture. One highly offensive statement after another highly offensive comment. Obviously, your religion is not based on Scripture or the lives of the Saints. Even God's Holy People are named after the trickster Jacob who wrestled with both God and men and somehow came out on top. I assume this also means the People of God are not the overly behaved type of people the ultra good/nice people you have in mind. I wonder how many nice people are in Hell, and how many Saints could never be classified as nice people or would even be considered good by most people.
One of the reasons I am a Christian is that in Christianity, I can be honest before God, and my fellow belivers I don't have to pretend to be good. Instead of lying to myself and others I can simply say Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God have mercy on me a sinner. Where as Secular People have a need to pretend that they are good. I still remember during an argument with my father who was a strong Atheist when I was a child, I told him I was good and that I didn't lie, his response now I can't trust you at all. No one is a greater teller of lies than someone who calls himself good. Fortunately, a around the same time my Parish priest, in all his Sermons would tell us how much of a sinner he was he never pretend to be good or nice. Yet he was a God-fearing saintly man, if anyone needed food he would let people take it right out of his refrigerator. This priest was an honest man, from these 2 incidents I learned that Christianity was not the childish be good thing children are taught. Furthermore, at the University I encountered Figures like Soren Kierkegaard and classes on the Psalms, the Prophets, the Gospels that made me just as disgusted with nice people as my father. I learned to be authentic to follow Christ more fully and stop having my childish notions of nice. Even in High School I encountered a coach, that stopped pretending to be a Christian after he took a Bible Study that clearly showed him that Christ was not nice person. If you are concerned with nice, I am sure Christianity is not your best choice in Religion. I am sure another Religion with a nice god and or gods would be a much better choice for someone as yourself. A lot of people that practice witchcraft are very nice people, maybe instead of wasting time with Christ, who doesn't hold your values you should investigate the sprits these people serve.
Why do you sell Angela Doll Carlson's books on your website? She's pro abortion and thinks women should be ordained.
There's only one father and he's in heaven
Really? This means Paul is a liar in 1 Cor. 4, 14-15?
Wow.. you really know your Bible..
@@pavelcrestin1 When did I say I know The Bible?
@@perryandy2
1. You took that info from the Bible
2. You meant it as a biblical truth, and if the Bible says it, than it is wrong to call someone Father.
3. The way you said it.
All these 3 presume you know ”what the Bible says”
@@pavelcrestin1 Pastor John Mcarther said it. If you have a problem with that take it up with him. You think you're smart...that's a big mistake son.
@@perryandy2 You are funny. Saint Paul said what I told you. Who is more likely to think according to God? And even if it was a Saint saying it, as long as it is not what was taught by Jesus, the Apostles and their succesors, it is heretical.