I honest to God believe the ONLY reason I can think of why Travis would *still* go after Jasper Batt Jr, DESPITE what he learned after the Alice fight, is that Jasper is FAR too dangerous a threat to keep alive, considering what he did to Bishop and likely many others. If THAT was the reason why Travis went to challenge Jasper, because he *must* in order to protect the people of Santa Destroy and the people cares about, instead of just revenge still (as well as fixing this boss's RIDICULOUS difficulty scaling), I believe this fight would've been FAR more tolerable, because it would've been a far NOBLER reason to go after him than just revenge... again.
At the same time tho, at that stage of the story, would Travis really have that noble of a goal in mind? Not without some tweaks to the story...and maybe the third phase changing completely. Story wise, I see it more like this: He doesn't do it for any noble purpose...at first. Rather, he still planned to go kill him, but as he goes, a call comes in right before the final door and save point, just like the first game. It's not Sylvia, rather Shinobu. She starts making him question why he's actually going after him when he gave that speech to Sylvia, and essentially convinces him to not do it out of revenge, but rather to put down a dangerous man in a position of too much power. He says he'll think about it, but hangs up before she can respond. Form here, the next cutscene continues like normal, but as the first phase of the fight goes on, Shinobu's voice echoes in Travis's head, making him distracted until he eventually loses a power struggle. When Henry comes in and tells him to focus up, Travis is now on board with just putting down a threat rather than getting revenge. Phase two of the fight could work the same way (with some difficulty tweaking), but for phase three, there is no giant parade float. Instead, Jasper's power explodes the office building and leaves a pile of rubble around the two, where Jasper's still bulked up body continues to try and beat Travis down. Here, you would get a fight similar to phase two, only since he can't hurricane punch you, his attacks are just boosted enough to take large chunks of health away...larger than normal, that is. At the end of the fight, this would be a chance to either kill him or maim him. If you kill him, congrats, you get a sub par ending. If you choose not to, even better, you've proven yourself better than the pathetic pencil pusher who killed a civilian for "revenge" on a fair 1v1 fight.
Honestly this on my first playthrough of nmh2 this jasper fight pissed me off and even though he made sense I would have wanted Alice to kill him as it would be all more worth it as she would be the amazing final fight for Travis not this fucker!
Maybe that is the reason and he becomes better as a result of this. People died everyday and Travis has to live with it. He is being a hero on his own terms even if he not the hero people wanted, Travis is clearly needed.
The funny thing is that Kuja's despair cries and his Ultima attack is actually what ended up bringing Necron into the world to start Necron's end of life move. I think Necron what it needed is to be more alluded to exist like you said, the idea of Kuja's despair being so huge that he ended up summoning the personification of despair is very intense, specially with the creepy music he brings when the characters are in that weird limbo.
Or have the heroes need to fight Necron in order to come back to life to stop Kuja from destroying the world as he could have surived his own spell and so gone back to being the main villain.
I’m reminded of the new boss they added in the _Live-A-Live_ remake. Nothing in the game alludes to it… but it could just as easily be an only-mentioned character as a pure embodiment of strong emotion.
Fun little fact about Aurora Unit 313: There is some cut lore that 313 was actually involved with a rebellion in the Federation. When a planet started to rebel, 313 stepped up to the plate and actually put the rebellion down. I heard a theory that this rebellion may be an origin story for Sylux. You can find a code for a small terminal in the room 313 was housed in on the GFS Valhalla. Spoiler: The terminal holds a recording of 313. You hear its haunting last recording before it is forcibly removed from its chamber, corrupted, and hauled back to Phaaze.
It's funny how widespread the hatred or Jasper became. He topped every worst boss list in the Chaos Theater days. Green Scorpion even mentioned it in his latest (at the time of writing) countdown. He seemed to regard it as a lack of creativity, but I remember those lists fondly, because honestly, as overdone as it became, it really is harder to find a worse boss, and personally I find the idea of making the final boss suck ass for a "revenge is bad" Aesop insulting. It's the most overdone message in the universe, and they sacrificed actual entertainment value for it. If I wanted an anti-revenge Aesop, I'd watch Naruto. I think the Autarch did a fantastic sendoff by topping the list off with him not just because bashing him became a sort of beloved tradition but also because he demonstrated that yes, all the hate WAS justified. Critical Backlash need not apply. "Anyway, since then I've seen a lot of different opinions about this boss, including a few defenses of it as a metaphor for revenge being unsatisfying, so now that I have more critical experience under my hat you might be surprised to hear that I HATE THIS FUCKER MORE THAN EVER!"
The idea of the boss fight being designed to not to be fun as anti-revenge message is also hurt by the fact that you are still killing an evil person. The idea of making the player feel bad about killing a boss is something done much better in Shadow of the Colossus where you are killing this giants that aren't hurting anybody.
@@HugoPegler That game had so many problems, but the one nobody mentions is how it effectively KILLED The Last of Us as a franchise by destroying what people loved about the first game...or maybe they have. I haven't touched The Last of Us.
@@HugoPegler Knowing how the story of that game goes is the reason why I never picked up the game despite playing the first cause my canon wants to end with one. Seriously I watched a video who created an alternative story for TLOU part 2 that does so much better imo compared to the story I have heard from 2. If a random TH-camr can create a better story than a AAA game company, you know you've fucked up. Not that it matters since the game still has its white knights who will defend it to their dying breath.
@@devonm042690 Neither does Master Xehanort (BBS or III), Vanitas (BBS), Data Roxas (Re:Coded), Nightmare Ventus (DDD), or Yozora (Re:Mind). Your point?
@@yazmenakamura6750 I don't have one. It was a joke. The closest thing I have to a point is that Riku, and Nightmare Ventus while I'm at it, don't belong in a list of names including Master Xehanort, Vanitas, and Yozora. It should be Xion and Young Xehanort that are among them, but we all know that already, so it'd be moot even if it was relevant.
Ari's reaction to the Blood Born joke was hilarious. I wonder if we will ever get a Top 10 Overrated or Underrated Games list, that would be interesting.
Not sure if these are going to be on here, but here's a few I could think of. Ghetsis battle in pokemon black and white is overshadowed by N's battle. Dark nebula from kirby squeak squad was over shadowed by dark Daroach. Eggman's final fight in Sonic CD was definitely overshadowed by Metal Sonic's boss fight. Joker's final battle in Batman Arkham Asylum was overshadowed by Scarecrow (for good reason). More recently The End from Sonic Frontiers was overshadowed by every other titan boss fight. (again for good reason).
@@bosskaiju4834 I know I made this comment before the video appeared, and I personally still say Scarecrow overshadowed Joker more than Poison Ivy, especially since the sequels have similar sequences in them.
The Titans were one of the biggest selling points next to the free roam, and they did not disappoint. I’m Here in the Supreme bossfight still gets me hype, and fighting Wyvern in the sky was soooooo satisfying.
I don't think Ghetsis is overshadowed by N. I mean Ghetsis Hydreigon is notorious for destroying a lot of children's dreams and a likely reason fairy types exist.
Yeah...though I personally found the first three titans from Frontiers to be more enjoyable than Supreme, and after that boss...we get a harder version of the hacking minigame...*dissapointed to the highest degree*...AND THAT'S IF YOU'RE ON HARD MODE. Because otherwise, The End is literally just the QTE at the end of the fight...the knowledge alone frustrates me, and having witnessed a friend experience the actual fight, to unfortunate results...it makes me wish that the fight itself was better, or just cut from the game completely...or something... ...Supreme would have been overshadowed by even Knight, anyway.
The ultimate attack of the Moon Presence is a two fold move. First, he sets your health to one, then it drops numbing mist clouds all over the arena which prevents you from regaining HP.
28:36 Yeah, my girlfriend's villain crush being Kuja, she to this day absolutely hated how Necron, who looks like someone's edgy notebook last boss design just pops up out of nowhere when Kuja was doing just fine and had even won.
Glad to see someone reciprocate my feelings on Kuja/Necron. It wouldn't even have been hard to give him a transformation; he's sitting right next to 'The Crystal', a nexus of power and life energy that he could tap into in a desperate effort to extend his limited mortal life.
That could be intertwined with Josh’s second idea - Kuja loses his sanity and bashes the crystal, his very nature tainting it as it transforms him… or perhaps his artificial nature leads to it only empowering his feelings. Either way, the result is the entity you fight next. No change in appearance or strategy, but with a less proper and more descriptive name - “Nihilism”.
I see it could be this way: his attack killed his mortal body, but his sheer power lingers, his soul persists, fueled by his desire to destroy and end all of existence, congeals and reforms into what is Nekroz, the embodiment of Kuja's power and Despair. It seems hopeless, facing the power that destroyed an entire world, but they get up and do it anyway, because they refuse to give up. "You cannot win. What hope do you have left? Tell me, why do you PERSIST?" "Yeah, it seems hopeless, maybe we can't win, but you never know if you never try." "So many lives are counting on us right now, we can't give up, even if we wanted to." "Right. For all the people still alive, their hopes lie on us!" With his body destroyed, all that's left in the way of the planet being saved is this the soul and power of Kuja, the power that destroyed a world and it being all unleashed in an effort to kill you and everyone on Gaia. Once it's gone, Kuja, who was already stated to be mortal, will be no more.
I actually liked Demise as a boss. It was fun, even if Ghirahim was more memorable. I still remember how I felt upon the realization I could catch the lightning to shoot at him, and the final strike with Link catching lightning while doing the finishing blow just felt so good to land.
Personally I really liked Demise as a boss. Everything leading up to the fight is really underwhelming, but the fight itself is real good in my opinion. Having your sword get struck by lightning and using it as a projectile is so cool that it’s impossible to hate. The main problem is how reminiscent it is of the final Gannondorf fight in Twilight Princess.
I feel the fight could have used some more variety but I felt it was a good challenge (it took me three tries to beat him, Ghirahim I beat without dying) and the game did tell us as early as the second dungeon that Ghirahim was working for someone else. A good chunk of the game is also spent trying to keep Demise from escaping his prison.
@@dragonstormx yeah but they really didn't do a very good job showing how much of a threat Demise is as the main Antagonist as Ghirahim was always there taunting us. If we spent less time smashing Demises toes and drilling a nail into his head and have him show actual signs of increasing danger he's causing would've really hyped up what he'd become to be in the final battle. Like Calamity Ganon he was done much better in Age of Calamity then he was in Botw actually felt threatening. While he was overshowed by his blights
@@jojomuppet1820 I do agree that Demise could have had more of a presence beyond trying to escape his prison as a giant killer muppet. Since you brought up Calamity Ganon, something I feel could have done with Demise would be as the seal on him weakens, we say all the plant life in the Sealing Grounds slowly die off, like how all the Calamity Ganon's presence turns everything around Hyrule Castle into a barren rock.
@@dragonstormx which would be great to limit the amount of heart plants as he scales up closer to the temple making the player carefully prep and have them try to maneuver around him at the right timing making it hard to get near him especially the cheese way of using groose to launch link onto his head. By him trying to block the successful landing and we'd have to try to tire him out to make an opening
@@jojomuppet1820 And maybe The Imprisoned could have shot a mass of malice to the regions and the water dragon, changing the terrain and giving us a boss fight instead of a tadpole chase. Heck, instead of Demise waiting us like a chum, he opens a hole in the sky and creates a giant tower in order to attack past Skyloft. That tower would be the last dungeon, in which all of the items and skills aquired would be used.
I actually really like Ishmelga Loge as the final boss. You being able to choose from every playable character in the game (including guests) really makes it fun for me. That and the sheer satisfaction you get when you finally wreck the face of that monster. Plus there were some foreshadowing for Ishmelga before, but yeah Osborne definitely had more of a presence and was there since Sky 3rd.
What a way to end the year in terms of boss battles! 10. No surprise that this is here given how emotional Xion's battle was. Ha! We thought the same thing! 9. Yeah if only the Moon Presence had more of a 'presence' throughout the story! 8. Why couldn't Steven be the final boss in Emerald and Wallace be the post-game boss? 7. Yeah I heard the spiel on the Joker fight from Rabbidluigi and I don't need to hear it again. 6. Okay I know we were building up the leviathans before but really just switch the order of the bosses and you would have cheers instead of jeers! 5. Really the Elder Princess Shroob should have been the final boss and not Bowser! 4. You know... this concept could have worked... key word being 'could' 3. No surprise here... if only Demise has more presence... 2. Where did this death god come from? I want my theater monkey back! 1. If only Alice Twilight was the final boss instead of this p***
I think the way Redips could've worked is if HE's the disguise and Spider is the real villain. Have his motivation tie to his connection with Chief R, maybe have Chief R did something that upset Spider so much it pushed him to villainy by absorbing a supra force metal of his own and grow more insane to the point of wanting more, but have him maintain his subtletly in a similar way to how Epsilon is immune to the maverick effect. It'll create a sense of tragedy and cunning around the chatacter. That would've been a good enough blueprint instead of what we actually got.
No one likes to be overshadowed especially when it comes to bosses but sometimes that's what happens when the previous boss before was extremely epic that the ones after while not bad but end up not as epic.
Number 3 is what!? Did they not see what Demise did to that little creep? He took one good look and said "You're my little sword-b_tch. Now, come over here so daddy can beat this green mute."... Not to mention the atmosphere of the fight.
I think I have a suggestion for a future boss countdown: Top 10 Team Bosses. AKA, a boss where you need to focus on multiple bosses at once instead of just 2 or 3. Some examples are the final boss of Project X Zone, the Hero Statues from Dragon Quest 8, and either Baroness Von Bon Bon or the Moonshine Mob from Cuphead
Magus Sisters from FFIV. Yes i know its just 3 but they're the definition of Team. one has supportive magic, one has disruptive magic and one has offensive magic. How do they combo this? by casting reflect on one sister and bouncing a spell off her onto your party so you cant reflect it back if you somehow have reflect at that point. Also their pattern and moves change once you take one or two of them down.
In defense of the whole Ishmelga and Osborne thing, it is revealed in Cold Steel 3 that Osborne transplanted his own heart into Rean's body in a desperate attempt to save him.
While I agree that there is definitely an argument in favor of Ishmelga Loge, I don't see what that has to do with it. That doesn't really mean much out of context.
plus, to me at least, it was always obvious that Osborne was NEVER gonna be the villain of the story, especially since there were like other charactrs who more actively doing villainious shit than him.
@@davidtimmer596 Guenther never gets overshadowed cuz there's nobody TO overshadow him. Cayenne is very intentional. The plot lampshades it hard. But you also never fight Cayenne so he couldn't fit in the list even if he wanted to
IIRC, in the FF9 Ultimania, it states that Necron was summoned by Kuja's despair. Though, would have been better for them to say it in the game and not a companion guide
@@pancakes8670Or alternatively, Necron could've been Kuja's dead body mutated by the power of Ultima, still moving and fighting for one last battle through remnants of his despair and suffering. Think Jyuuza's final stand from Fist of the North Star but in the villain's perspective.
I'm surprised we didn't get an Alex cameo screaming at Jasper Batt Jr. Of course, then that would be an Alex overshadowing Josh moment which we simply could not have. May the Jasper hate never die.
"Transforming into an eldritch abomination even Kirby would do a double-take for" I mean, at the time of Partners in Time releasing, probably. Considering more recent things like Void and Fecto Forgo? Elder Princess Shroob would be a daydream in comparison.
Squeak Squad is probably the prime example of having an overshadowed boss. Dark Daroach has one of the rawest designs of any Kirby boss and could have been a satisfying final boss himself. However, we just had to stick to Kirby tradition of fighting some eldritch abomination, and the best Hal could come with is Starro if he died when you stare into his eye too hard.
Oh that’s right(almost shrugged it away). Squeak Squad might have been more greatly remembered if they didn’t launch that cliche. Nowadays you hardly ever hear about Daroach anymore from the series(which also just sucks considering his dark form wasn’t total, black, nega, evil version). Nebula never scratched that satisfying final battle itch. He’s as bad as, i don’t know “Claycia”? or big bad, evil, wham bam Necrodeus.
Yeah, blame that on character limits, given that Necron's original Japanese name was "Eternal Darkness", making it a lot more obvious it's supposed to be an abstract concept rather than a character (I guess the localizers decided renaming the boss "Oblivion" was too on the nose)
And also that Necron...or Necro. Means Death. An overarching theme in FF9 is the Balance of Life and Death, and what happens should someone disrupt that balance.
I actually liked necron what's the problem the music was awesome there's always going to be people kicking necron when he's down but it was still a good boss still a bit disappointing but still a good boss fun to fight
The Omega Metroid in Fusion is this for me. The SA-X is such a great mirror boss, and then the Omega just, shows up last minute with minimal foreshadowing.
*Inserts Grandia 2 here* The main antagonist of the game is Valmar, an evil deity as it were. Throughout the game you face different 'pieces of Valmar' and at one point the dude becomes whole again. When you face his 'true form' the first time, it plays out like a final boss and it's a challenge (in the future I did grind a bit because he was a legit hard boss) and it is always satisfying to beat him. He retreats and you have to face him again as the actual 'final boss' and . . . he's a cakewalk. Even though he always dishes out the hardest magic spells, there's one way to avoid this. By this time a former party member rejoins and has broken move the literally freezes any foe it targets for a long time. Oh I need to mention this is a TURN based JRPG and in the first time you face Valmar, there are 4 parts to him you need to defeat. In the final boss, Valmar only had 1 part to him and by freezing him in place, it really only takes me 5 to 10 minutes to defeat the dude because I never give him the chance to attack thanks to that one Super Move. He's actually the EASIEST BOSS in the whole game! Yes, easier than the first big boss in the game. It's hilariously underwhelming and so absurd that I laugh my head off. I can't help but wonder if this is why Grandia 3's final boss is SOO super hard (so hard it can kill your whole party in a few turns, it's that unfair).
Commenting before the video premieres, my two guesses are Necron (overshadowed by Trance Kuja) and Arceus (overshadowed by Volo, which is something Volo would absolutely be very proud of).
@@delphoxhoopa7289 Ah man spoilers are a pain. Yeah I got spoiled by a fanart of Volo with a shirt that said "god complex". But it didn't tell me the specifics like the music or his team composition at least.
Tales of Symphonia immediately comes to mind for me. Technically its a two form fight, but the first form is significantly more dangerous than the final form.
yeah, thats 2 phases of the same fight, imo. yes, u get exp for the first phase, but then it goes RIGHT into the 2nd phase. The Penultimite boss is technically Origin, despite how far away the two of them are. Its odd how there are no other bosses in the final area, though there are three symbolic ( and optional) mini-bosses
From a writing stand point I feel the last dungeon of the game is a little weak since you've already set up everything to rejoin the two worlds, plus Lloyd has settled things Kratos. Mithos popping up again feels like it's there to add a final challenge to the game.
I always figured that 313 was more of a second half of the final boss fight, with Dark Samus hiding in/fusing with the Phazon-corrupted Aurora Unit because she figured she can't take Samus out on her own.
Honestly the Riku fight in 358 days should have been one of many against him. Building up the rivalry. I'm honestly surprised that none of the shin magami tensi franchises ended up here.
One Honorable Mention that I bring is Yabaoth from Persona 5, A Random God of Control an Head of the Metaverse that has no mention or actual leverage on the history other than a literal Bet all this after having Shido the man that tried to ruin our protagonist life over saving a girl he was trying to R* pe, the man that was connected, controling and somehow manipulating almost every previous bad guy, the man that killed a scientist and stealed her investigation to have the metaverse as a tool to caus mayhem, chaos, and a lot of death in favor of his political campain, the man that used his own bastard son as a tool and assasin and then killed him when he stoped being usful
You know, one example I got of a final boss being "disappointing" is the Neo Granzon in SRW OG Gaiden. Now, it is a fairly challenging boss fight with how deadly the Mech can be, but despite how awesome of a character it's pilot Shu Shirakawa is he got overshadowed by the boss from beforehand, Dark Brain. This boss is by far the toughest fight in the entire Super Robot Wars series with attacks that can not only reach huge distances but is also capable of one-shotting even some of your strongest mechs if you aren't careful and not to mention he has two forms which combined together and due to OG Gaiden's HP blot for bosses he has over 1 million HP in comparison to the Neo Granzon which only has about 380000.
Personally, I think Osborne and Ishmelga were equal in terms of build up. Through out the games, you learn and experience horrible events that go beyond reason. Some don't make sense on the surface. But then you start piecing things together and you figure out that there is more going on. When you learn about Ishmelga's ability, it all clicks together. Ishmelga is a background villain yes, only taking action if absolutely necessary. Which doesn't really happen too often because by setting up something, it has a chain reaction down the line. Yes there is more to it than that, but to me both were equal in terms of build up.
Honorable Mentions: *Great Shard > Lucien - Fable 2 -Yeah, the final stand against Lucien is undeniably bad, one of the worst/laziest final bosses of all time. And the Great Shard isn't fantastic either, but at least it actually puts up a better fight! There are so many other ways the Lucien "fight" could've worked. Maybe do what "The Boss" from Metal Gear Solid 3 did by having an ACTUAL fight, and then finish him off with one last shot. *Calamity Ganon > Dark Beast Ganon - The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild -There's no urgency to put you in peril in the final boss, not even a time limit. And while Ganon's attacks are really strong, they're EMBARRASSINGLY easy to avoid. We could've just ended the fight with Calamity Ganon in the castle.
I think Odin from God of War Ragnarok is an example now. Especially given how much people loved the Thor boss battles and even the Gna boss after the campaign.
I don't think it would make this list mainly because Odin itself is still a very fun boss fight one of the best in Ragnarok and true bosses like say Necron can be considered fun as well but the difference between Odin and Necron is unlike Necron, we knew from the beginning that Odin would be the final story boss especially since we were introduced to him in the beginning of the game and that fight was built up especially with everything he has done involving Kratos Atreus, Freya and the rest of your group especially at the very end where it became personal. True Thor was an amazing boss but don't leave out Odin because he is also a very fun boss fight and more rewarding boss fight if I do say so given how much pain he has caused for our main heroes and heroines and heck some people actually like the Odin boss fight over Thor, I'm not one of those people but I wouldn't say that boss would make the list.
Odin was still mentioned throughout the game and made his appearances known. Plus his battle was still good too unlike many other final bosses from gaming.
Fun fact, in the Pokemon Adventures manga, Wallace was the champion but steps down to become a gym leader because he wants to be with Winona, and he gave the title to his best friend Steven.
The one thing I can think of that would've improved the Aurora Unit 313 fight is a design change. Have it sprout Phazon tentacles partway through the fight, give it a resemblance to the Metroid Prime Core, and bada-bing bada-boom, full circle and all that jazz.
I'm surprised you left out Krouser and Saddler from RE4. Starting with Saddler, the final boss, he has a final monologue, transforms into a gigantic spider-zord-like monster, and his only real attack is hurling steel beams from the construction platform outstanding on. How to beat him: dodge his attacks, control construction cranes to hurl steel beams into him, stab his giant exposed eye, and repeat until Ada shows up with a heat-seeking rocket launcher! Aim it in his general direction and a cutscene is triggered when you press the "fire" button. The whole thing is, essentially, one big quick-time event! As for Krouser... He has you trapped in desert ruins, and morphs his left arm into a giant fin-like bladed appendage that doubles as a bullet-proof shield! While I've never been able to use the "lightning cannon" (As I like to call it.) or P.R.L. gun (Plaga Removal Laser) on him, every weapon you have is *useless* until he lowers his shield to attack you with it! And you better aim FAST! To make matters worse: this battle is timed! If you don't kill him and escape the ruins in under three minutes, you're *both* dead via explosives rigged up all over the tower you're fighting on! Also, also, you encounter Krouser, not once, but *twice* before! The first is a quick-time event where you're dueling knives, and the second is the build-up to the boss fight where you're not only fighting him, but also numerous, fully armed drones! And you can't *kill* him until the boss fight, so save your Ammo! After Krouser, the rest of the game is a cakewalk by comparison!
Honestly I feel like there's a more overshadowed Pokemon final boss than Wallace. Specifically, Alder in Black and White. He's initially upstaged by N and Ghetsis, who pose a huge threat, are the thematic conclusion to the game, and tie the league challenge into the plot in a way so satisfying it's kind of amazing more games haven't replicated the formula. The after all that, you have to gruelingly force your way through the second Elite Four challege, all of whom are even stronger the second time and are massively overleveled. And then you tear through Alder's entire team like a wet tissue.
I was about to come for him going "wait, why is Emet here, he's actually the last boss of ShB!" Then realized "oh, no, he's not actually going to have him on the list. Thank god."
I have the "Tonight, Gehrman joins the hunt...." as my message ringtone and instinctively checked my phone there lol But yeah, definitely the best reveal and an awesome fight
They could've had Alice defeat Jasper first and then she'd be the final boss. By the way I was so overjoyed when it turned out that Jasper Batt jr. was #1 on this list. It was the first boss fight I thought of the moment I saw the title of this video.
I wanna say: Dragon's Dogma being the transition music and FFX being the visual makes me happy ^^ And fitting, because with the former, Grigori is definitely a better boss than the Seneschal. Not that I think the Seneschal is the worst final boss ever (I mean I'd say he's woefullly easy but in DD its so easy to become overpowered it eventually applies to every enemy and boss in the game) and I get what it set out to do thematically...buuuuuut yeah lol. For the latter...do I even need to say anything about Yu Yevon? Braska's Final Aeon was definitely a better boss in EVERY way. The only redeeming thing about Yu Yevon for me anyway was the music.
Can’t forget about Far Cry 3. Vass has been a incredibly Charismatic and memorable insane antagonist. Having done so much to drive you to the brink of insanity. Meanwhile we get the actual final boss Hoyt. Just another gangster who can’t hold a candle to Vass.
I've wondered what might've happened if Alice had become the no. 1 ranked assassin before Travis caught up to her. If she had killed Pizza Bat Jr first then you fight her after.
The game probobly wouldn't have changed outside of her being the final boss. By the time of the Alice fight Travis already learned that the revenge thing was pointless and was instead motivated to put an end to the UAA to end the cycle.
This should be interesting. Let me think of a couple off the top of my head that could qualify for this list (aside from Demise): Nekron or Yu Yevon from Final Fantasys 9 and 10. Kuja and Jecht just make for better bosses. Jasper from No more heroes 2. Haven’t played it myself but I remember a lot of countdown makers saying how much better Alice was than Jasper. Ghetsis from Pokémon Black and White. Ghetsis is the final boss but N basically overshadows him in almost every way. Chaos from Castlevania Aria of Sorrow. While the battle with Chaos is great, the fact that you face a member of the Belmont clan in Julius is just awesome. Lavos’ core from Chrono Trigger. The shell has been all we’ve seen of Lavos up to this point so it kind of overshadows both of the other forms.
I think you got this the wrong way around on some cases. I believe this is going to be a list of final bosses that were good... but ultimately overshadowed by a boss fight earlier than it.
@@CountShaman I was half right at least. To be fair, before the video aired, the title was vague enough that the implication could have gone either way.
After Dark Samus appeared on Top 10 Poison Bosses, I was honestly expecting Aurora Unit 313 to make its presence known on this list of overshadowed final bosses
Not that I’m claiming to know a lot about the franchise… but it seems like a justified case to me. It’s technically the last form of a boss overshadowed by its previous one. Josh outright calls it a “last-ditch effort”, ergo, something Dark Samus never wanted to consider while a more agile form seemed sufficient. But in the end, protecting Aurora Unit 313 was paramount… odds of success be damned.
So what fails we will have this year? Maybe mention that the original voice actor for Bayonetta saying bad words. Perhaps mention Yuji Naka landing on the go to jail space. Google Stadia officially dead. Something with EA, ActaBlizzard, or another company.
@@zeldasmetaknight Nintendo got busted for poor employee treatment earlier this year. Didn't hear much else about it since, though... There was also that massive uproar and fallout with an update to GT7 which saw the game get review bombed. And although unlikely to appear... EVERYTHING regarding Sonic Omens. Way to tarnish fan-game reputation!
in p5 vanilla -- shadow shido > yaldaboth. shadow shido has a personal connection to both the protag and nearly the whole party (sans mona), with an epic four (five in royal) stage boss fight that requires all the strategies youve learned over the game. yaldaboth - while being an important antagonist - seems to come right the hell out of nowhere, and while the fight is okay, the mechanics can be frustrating. its worse in royal, where yaldaboth is both overshadowed by shadow shido and the final boss of royal. i can see why the giant sippy cup isnt on the list, as its technically not the final boss of royal, but still
Can’t be Megaten game or JRPGs in general without fighting (a) God or sentient being. But where as in other Megaten games God being the final boss makes sense since his influence is felt throughout most the game even when he’s dead in smt5 or how Metaphysical the games wants to be, in most persona tho it feels like a cope out
@@Andy-sj4ip like if you look at the final boss of strikers, thats foreshadowed and also seems like its inevitable, especially with the mystery of sophie's identity. in comparison, yaldaboth just came right the fuck out of nowhere to just fit the bingo card lol
I'd personally place Kagutsuchi on this list, from Shin Megami Tensei 3. He's the supreme being of light, having been watching over the apocalyptic Vortex World since the beginning and being the sole being who can bring about the rebirth of the world. The entire Tower of Kagutsuchi dungeon is meant to hype him up, many NPCs in awe of him and desiring to reach him. Not to mention the three major factions who seek to present their Reasons to him. And depending on what route you take, these battles against the Reason-holders and their Demonic Sponsors can be extremely challenging with their mechanics. While Kagutsuchi has a basic two phases and no major gimmicks besides his Phase Shift.
Nocturne is really tricky to narrow down a definitive "final boss" from. Depending on your route, it can be Baal Avatar, Kagutsuchi, or Lucifer. Of those, Kagutsuchi is definitely the weakest link, but since there's two routes that don't end with him (the widely accepted "definitive" one ending with Lucifer), I don't think he'd make the cut in the spirit of the video.
@@gamezilla345 Personally, I believe that Kagutsuchi could still have a place in the video simply because he's the final boss in the majority of the routes. Sure, the Demon and True Demon paths don't have him as the final boss, but that's 2/6. As Kagutsuchi is the final challenge of 4/6 routes, he should have a place on the list simply for being the final boss in over half the endings.
I'm probably going to get flack for this, a lot of flack, but I feel like Shido and Yaldabaoth from Persona 5 should have at least been an honorable mention. Both fights are very fun and great spectacles, and are tests of the skills you learn throughout the game, but I feel like Shido is the better fight out of the two. Sure, Yaldabaoth has been there from the beginning disguised as Igor, and closer to the last third of the game, there's more of a sense that there's something greater at work in Mementos, but Shido was there from the beginning. He's the reason Joker gets arrested and charged with assault. He's the catalyst for the entire Phantom Thieves adventure. He's the shadow behind most of the palace rulers. You even learn that the principal of the high school works for Shido. He was aware of and using the Metaverse for his own gain. Then you have his actual fight. It just felt like everything in the game lead up to Shido. Now, it's Persona, obviously there's some god level entity the main character needs to face to ultimately prove their side of the conflict. But even though not a god level entity, Shido felt like that conflict being resolved. The whole game, Shido has been running to be Prime Minister of Japan, the ultimate level of control over Japan, while Joker is out here fighting for his freedom and to prove his innocence, which he eventually does. Again, I only say an honorable mention because, while I do feel Shido is the better fight, Yaldabaoth does still get a decent bit of build up even if he's not mentioned until the end game stuff of vanilla P5, as with each level of Mementos the team goes down, Mona always mentions something further, then there's everything that goes on after Shido's confession, with the masses pretty much ignoring it. Again, both fights are great, but Shido just slightly edges out as the better fight to me
YES! FINALLY WE GET A SPOT FOR THE TRAILS SERIES ON A SCORCHER LIST! EVEN IF IT IS A MORE NEGATIVE LIST! Now that my exuberance is out of the way, I agree somewhat with Osbourne-Ishmelga Loge. Yea Ishmelga was far more of a cakewalk compared to Osbourne so I can understand that. While I love being able to play with every playable character from all 3 arcs of Trails, it was fairly easy. Osbourne tested me from beginning to end, even the Divine Knight battle. That said story-wise, it didn’t come out of nowhere since it was alluded to in CS3. I won’t spoil for anyone who wants to play the games. Still love the list Josh.
Nioh has to be on this- fight the giant dragon version of the villain you fight the entire game and then learn the guy from the prologue is the real big bad
The Ishmelga fight hurts even more by virtue of the fact that you don't even fight him unless you went out of your way to defeat the secret boss that has an item that gives you the game's true ending. If you didn't get that, you have to go back to an earlier save to do it and go through the entire endgame again or you have to redo the game on NG+. Just an absolute pain in the ass for what is otherwise a great game.
At least it's really cathartic when you can finally wreck the shit of Ishmelga. *Muujinken goes brrrr.* Plus the game letting you choose from all the guest characters cements the fight as one of my favourites. Even if a bit easy.
@@Darkyan97 Oh absolutely, I obviously would have preferred the guest characters to have been in a better boss fight but it is still cathartic nonetheless.
it's funny how you bring up how forgetful Wallace is because the anime also poked fun at this too where Wallace meets ash again but ash doesn't remember wallace at all but he remembers Steven which irritates wallace
Dark Element from Dark Cloud 2 would be an example. The Game builds up Emperor Griffin for the final boss, only for it come out of no where. Though the gimmick of having to switch the two player characters and having an actual 5 minute time limit before the moon falls and kills you and everyone else is a nice touch. Though the mini boss rush up the Spiral of Dreams could have been done better. Thank God for the Ridpode.
I would still classify the trowser fight as her desperation move instead of a new fight in of itself. It’s still her, continuing the fight. Almost the same as her summoning her minion’s to fight you, just in a roundabout way. Maybe if was just bowser, yeah sure, though I’d think that would be more of a “that’s all folks” kinda situation.
ok my take on the Moon presence is that it's a very weak creature that's more of a schemer than a fighter hence why Gehrman was there, to act as a shield for it it's a creature that doesn't want to fight for itself it wants the strongest to fight for it and there was very little build up to it as it hides in shadows. in its mind if Gehrman loses it gets a new stronger guard if Gehrman wins it still has its shield just the same so the cords forcing it to fight you is a big shock to it. FF9 is one of my all-time favorites but even I admit it was jarring to see a boss come out of nowhere to upstage the main villain was pretty bad especially since Kuja was so hellbent on wiping out all life period
I mean, Demise was actually a pretty kickass final boss gameplay wise, I couldn’t at least beat him in one try unlike Girahim, he actually took me an hour or two
Well, to be fair in regards to Shrowser, it honestly adds to the direness of the Elder Shroob Queen. Like, she is such a threat that even killing her wasn't enough, and now she's possessed the physical powerhouse of Bowser to keep fighting.
I'm gonna take a wild guess and say 'Top 10 VG Rogue's Gallery's' for next month. And my honorable mention is Takumi Someya from Yakuza 6. To put it simple, Someya overshadows both the Final boss (Tsuneo Iwami) and the Penultimate boss (Kanji Koshimizu)!
You know you've screwed up when the penultimate boss or a superboss is *better* than the *final* boss. You know you've screwed up even more when a f$cking *FANFIC* makes the final boss *sound* cool. Nan The Keyblade Master, nuff said.
...I find it hilarious that out if everything I can think of, the battle with Steven stone in oras came to mind. Mind you, it's not the elite four that overshadowed him... It was wally Edit: oh the irony of Steven overshadowing Wallace, when he later gets overshadowed
Ultra Necrozma absolutely overshadows Hau's fight at the end of Ultra Sun/Moon. I mean, Hau's champion fight isn't bad and he's my favorite rival, but his competition is a suffering god of light with ridiculous stats, a moveset that covers HALF the type chart, an ability that boosts super effective damage further, AND an omniboost, all the while being at LEVEL 60, which is the level of Hau's ace in the champion fight.
"I'd argue Dark Samus was a bigger threat _before_ fusing with the suit." So which one do you mean? When she was just a giant mecha spider that could change its weapons and weaknesses to match those weapons, or a giant floating human faced squid that could phase between dimensions and/or turn itself invisible? Edit: Also, I don't count the Aurora Unit as a separate boss because it's exactly like counting Metal Gear Excelsus as a separate boss.
It pains me just how well Dreamy Bowser represents the character development and increase in presence the Koopa King had over the course of the M&L games along with having a great look and godly music... Only to be pretty easy.
Number 8: As someone who’s never played the original Gen 3 versions before Emerald, I honestly found Wallace to be tough. My team didn’t exactly have many Grass or Electric moves. Number 6: I honestly prefered Aurora Unit 313 over Dark Samus. Though that might be because Prime 3 was my first Prime game. Meaning that there was more buildup to the Aurora Unit than there was Dark Samus. With no context, she felt VERY out of place when it came to Phaaze. 16:32 Simple. Be extremely nervous about the fact that you got so far and can easily screw it up. I know I have especially on Hypermode Difficulty. Number 1: I’ll be honest. I wouldn’t have thought of that.
nice video, i just want to say, orphan of kos kinda arrives later in a dlc so it's not really fair to compare it to the moon prescence since...it really feel like they learned from the moon prescence to make the orphan of kos.
Demise does have one thing atmosphere the arena becoming more stormy and the lightning coming down charging both swords makes it one I still like to some extent
Ones that come to my mind: - King Allant. I mean.. the whole point of the fight is that it is a joke and you already fought against a proper final boss, that being his Fake version. But still, it is the actual final boss, so I guess it counts. - Moon Presence.. wait, you actually put it in? Nice! - Ansem, KH1. The fight against his world of chaos form is a spectacle but mechanically not that interesting. And it drags on for a long while. Meanwhile his guardian form is far more enjoyable as a fight. - Armored Ventus Nightmare. It feels like an extra fight for the sake of story, while the Young Xehanort fight from before was far more climactic. - Elden Beast. Technically Radagon is part of the same fight as you do have to them both in one go, but.. Radagon is a much better fight. Elden Beast isn't bad, but by comparison to Radagon's cool moveset, his mostly waiting and distance based attacks feel like a complete pace killer. Godfrey before it is also a fantastic fight. - Angra, God Hand. Does anyone even remember what this boss was called? Does anyone even care? The fight with Azel before him is absolutely fantastic, which is why it is weird to see the game end on such a weak boss by comparison. - Unknown, Tokyo Xtreme Racer 3. This game has three notable final climactic bosses, those being Jintei in his blue highly tuned GTR with a lightning aura, the three knights in their JZA80's, and God's Estuary in a Ford GT. Only once you have beaten all 599 rivals do you get to challenge.. a ghost version of your own car.. which has a V8 for some reason. Not some super cool boss vehicle or some ridiculously turned S30Z as a reference to Wangan Midnight. Instead it's just a ghostly version of your own car. All of that build up just to race against yourself technically. It's rather disappointing. - Reflux, Rayman 3. Kinda like Ansem and Elden Beast, this boss has its better parts at the start while the finale is a bit.. eh. In this case it's because the finale is a very long turret section. Who the hell wants to end a 3D platformer on a turret section? At least the first three forms were about core gameplay, but still...
The situation where the pre-ulimate final boss and final boss might as well be switch. For me the example are Ghetsis -Queen from deltarune chapter 2( not really a final boss, but people talk more about spamton neo then her) -Julius(fire emblem 4 genealogy of the holy war)
DARK. NEBULA. Kirby Squeak Squad was SO close to being a perfect Kirby game, but then Dark Nebula just HAD to be the easiest final boss in the entire SERIES. I had a harder time with DEDEDE. HE'S THE FIRST EFFING BOSS IN THAT GAME.
You know, it’s a sad feeling when the best bosses, especially Final Bosses aren’t remembered as fondly in some rare situations.
I honest to God believe the ONLY reason I can think of why Travis would *still* go after Jasper Batt Jr, DESPITE what he learned after the Alice fight, is that Jasper is FAR too dangerous a threat to keep alive, considering what he did to Bishop and likely many others.
If THAT was the reason why Travis went to challenge Jasper, because he *must* in order to protect the people of Santa Destroy and the people cares about, instead of just revenge still (as well as fixing this boss's RIDICULOUS difficulty scaling), I believe this fight would've been FAR more tolerable, because it would've been a far NOBLER reason to go after him than just revenge... again.
yeah
At the same time tho, at that stage of the story, would Travis really have that noble of a goal in mind? Not without some tweaks to the story...and maybe the third phase changing completely.
Story wise, I see it more like this: He doesn't do it for any noble purpose...at first. Rather, he still planned to go kill him, but as he goes, a call comes in right before the final door and save point, just like the first game. It's not Sylvia, rather Shinobu. She starts making him question why he's actually going after him when he gave that speech to Sylvia, and essentially convinces him to not do it out of revenge, but rather to put down a dangerous man in a position of too much power. He says he'll think about it, but hangs up before she can respond. Form here, the next cutscene continues like normal, but as the first phase of the fight goes on, Shinobu's voice echoes in Travis's head, making him distracted until he eventually loses a power struggle.
When Henry comes in and tells him to focus up, Travis is now on board with just putting down a threat rather than getting revenge. Phase two of the fight could work the same way (with some difficulty tweaking), but for phase three, there is no giant parade float. Instead, Jasper's power explodes the office building and leaves a pile of rubble around the two, where Jasper's still bulked up body continues to try and beat Travis down. Here, you would get a fight similar to phase two, only since he can't hurricane punch you, his attacks are just boosted enough to take large chunks of health away...larger than normal, that is. At the end of the fight, this would be a chance to either kill him or maim him. If you kill him, congrats, you get a sub par ending. If you choose not to, even better, you've proven yourself better than the pathetic pencil pusher who killed a civilian for "revenge" on a fair 1v1 fight.
Honestly this on my first playthrough of nmh2 this jasper fight pissed me off and even though he made sense I would have wanted Alice to kill him as it would be all more worth it as she would be the amazing final fight for Travis not this fucker!
No its because he killed bishop
Maybe that is the reason and he becomes better as a result of this. People died everyday and Travis has to live with it. He is being a hero on his own terms even if he not the hero people wanted, Travis is clearly needed.
27:00 Applaus for Josh's Voice Acting as Kuja!
And the Oscar goes to Joshua Burner.
I hope the guy gets a bright future as a VA
The funny thing is that Kuja's despair cries and his Ultima attack is actually what ended up bringing Necron into the world to start Necron's end of life move.
I think Necron what it needed is to be more alluded to exist like you said, the idea of Kuja's despair being so huge that he ended up summoning the personification of despair is very intense, specially with the creepy music he brings when the characters are in that weird limbo.
Or have the heroes need to fight Necron in order to come back to life to stop Kuja from destroying the world as he could have surived his own spell and so gone back to being the main villain.
Or... Just have bin a kuja form that lost all it's sanity.
I’m reminded of the new boss they added in the _Live-A-Live_ remake.
Nothing in the game alludes to it… but it could just as easily be an only-mentioned character as a pure embodiment of strong emotion.
@@kylestubbs8867 Except Sin of Odio still works better than Necron because you could see it as Oersted’s hatred itself manifesting.
Necron presscene was their but they needed to be mentioned so much more in the game.
Fun little fact about Aurora Unit 313: There is some cut lore that 313 was actually involved with a rebellion in the Federation. When a planet started to rebel, 313 stepped up to the plate and actually put the rebellion down. I heard a theory that this rebellion may be an origin story for Sylux. You can find a code for a small terminal in the room 313 was housed in on the GFS Valhalla. Spoiler: The terminal holds a recording of 313. You hear its haunting last recording before it is forcibly removed from its chamber, corrupted, and hauled back to Phaaze.
It's funny how widespread the hatred or Jasper became. He topped every worst boss list in the Chaos Theater days. Green Scorpion even mentioned it in his latest (at the time of writing) countdown. He seemed to regard it as a lack of creativity, but I remember those lists fondly, because honestly, as overdone as it became, it really is harder to find a worse boss, and personally I find the idea of making the final boss suck ass for a "revenge is bad" Aesop insulting. It's the most overdone message in the universe, and they sacrificed actual entertainment value for it. If I wanted an anti-revenge Aesop, I'd watch Naruto.
I think the Autarch did a fantastic sendoff by topping the list off with him not just because bashing him became a sort of beloved tradition but also because he demonstrated that yes, all the hate WAS justified. Critical Backlash need not apply.
"Anyway, since then I've seen a lot of different opinions about this boss, including a few defenses of it as a metaphor for revenge being unsatisfying, so now that I have more critical experience under my hat you might be surprised to hear that I HATE THIS FUCKER MORE THAN EVER!"
The idea of the boss fight being designed to not to be fun as anti-revenge message is also hurt by the fact that you are still killing an evil person. The idea of making the player feel bad about killing a boss is something done much better in Shadow of the Colossus where you are killing this giants that aren't hurting anybody.
@@HugoPegler That game had so many problems, but the one nobody mentions is how it effectively KILLED The Last of Us as a franchise by destroying what people loved about the first game...or maybe they have. I haven't touched The Last of Us.
@@HugoPegler Knowing how the story of that game goes is the reason why I never picked up the game despite playing the first cause my canon wants to end with one. Seriously I watched a video who created an alternative story for TLOU part 2 that does so much better imo compared to the story I have heard from 2. If a random TH-camr can create a better story than a AAA game company, you know you've fucked up.
Not that it matters since the game still has its white knights who will defend it to their dying breath.
I keep forgetting that Riku is technically the final boss of 358/2 days. Most Kingdom Hearts bosses come with epic transformations.
I mean... he does have a transformation... in a cutscene after the fight is over.
@@DragoSonicMile and that's because Roxas canonically loses the fight after Riku copies Ansem Seeker of Darkness' form.
How can Riku be the final boss? He doesn't turn into a boat!
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Neither does Master Xehanort (BBS or III), Vanitas (BBS), Data Roxas (Re:Coded), Nightmare Ventus (DDD), or Yozora (Re:Mind).
Your point?
@@yazmenakamura6750 I don't have one. It was a joke. The closest thing I have to a point is that Riku, and Nightmare Ventus while I'm at it, don't belong in a list of names including Master Xehanort, Vanitas, and Yozora. It should be Xion and Young Xehanort that are among them, but we all know that already, so it'd be moot even if it was relevant.
Ari's reaction to the Blood Born joke was hilarious. I wonder if we will ever get a Top 10 Overrated or Underrated Games list, that would be interesting.
We already made an underrated games list. Hint hint
I'm surprised Ari didn't hijack the video when Josh got to the Pokemon entry.
Not sure if these are going to be on here, but here's a few I could think of.
Ghetsis battle in pokemon black and white is overshadowed by N's battle.
Dark nebula from kirby squeak squad was over shadowed by dark Daroach.
Eggman's final fight in Sonic CD was definitely overshadowed by Metal Sonic's boss fight.
Joker's final battle in Batman Arkham Asylum was overshadowed by Scarecrow (for good reason).
More recently The End from Sonic Frontiers was overshadowed by every other titan boss fight. (again for good reason).
Josh already talked about Batman, and it had to be the boss fight right before the final one, that mean Poison Ivy has taken the spotlight here.
@@bosskaiju4834 I know I made this comment before the video appeared, and I personally still say Scarecrow overshadowed Joker more than Poison Ivy, especially since the sequels have similar sequences in them.
The Titans were one of the biggest selling points next to the free roam, and they did not disappoint. I’m Here in the Supreme bossfight still gets me hype, and fighting Wyvern in the sky was soooooo satisfying.
I don't think Ghetsis is overshadowed by N. I mean Ghetsis Hydreigon is notorious for destroying a lot of children's dreams and a likely reason fairy types exist.
Yeah...though I personally found the first three titans from Frontiers to be more enjoyable than Supreme, and after that boss...we get a harder version of the hacking minigame...*dissapointed to the highest degree*...AND THAT'S IF YOU'RE ON HARD MODE. Because otherwise, The End is literally just the QTE at the end of the fight...the knowledge alone frustrates me, and having witnessed a friend experience the actual fight, to unfortunate results...it makes me wish that the fight itself was better, or just cut from the game completely...or something...
...Supreme would have been overshadowed by even Knight, anyway.
The ultimate attack of the Moon Presence is a two fold move. First, he sets your health to one, then it drops numbing mist clouds all over the arena which prevents you from regaining HP.
It does!? I've never got hit by the numbing mist so I figured it just hit you down to 1hp
28:36 Yeah, my girlfriend's villain crush being Kuja, she to this day absolutely hated how Necron, who looks like someone's edgy notebook last boss design just pops up out of nowhere when Kuja was doing just fine and had even won.
Glad to see someone reciprocate my feelings on Kuja/Necron. It wouldn't even have been hard to give him a transformation; he's sitting right next to 'The Crystal', a nexus of power and life energy that he could tap into in a desperate effort to extend his limited mortal life.
That could be intertwined with Josh’s second idea - Kuja loses his sanity and bashes the crystal, his very nature tainting it as it transforms him… or perhaps his artificial nature leads to it only empowering his feelings.
Either way, the result is the entity you fight next. No change in appearance or strategy, but with a less proper and more descriptive name - “Nihilism”.
I see it could be this way: his attack killed his mortal body, but his sheer power lingers, his soul persists, fueled by his desire to destroy and end all of existence, congeals and reforms into what is Nekroz, the embodiment of Kuja's power and Despair. It seems hopeless, facing the power that destroyed an entire world, but they get up and do it anyway, because they refuse to give up.
"You cannot win. What hope do you have left? Tell me, why do you PERSIST?"
"Yeah, it seems hopeless, maybe we can't win, but you never know if you never try."
"So many lives are counting on us right now, we can't give up, even if we wanted to."
"Right. For all the people still alive, their hopes lie on us!"
With his body destroyed, all that's left in the way of the planet being saved is this the soul and power of Kuja, the power that destroyed a world and it being all unleashed in an effort to kill you and everyone on Gaia. Once it's gone, Kuja, who was already stated to be mortal, will be no more.
I actually liked Demise as a boss. It was fun, even if Ghirahim was more memorable. I still remember how I felt upon the realization I could catch the lightning to shoot at him, and the final strike with Link catching lightning while doing the finishing blow just felt so good to land.
Personally I really liked Demise as a boss. Everything leading up to the fight is really underwhelming, but the fight itself is real good in my opinion. Having your sword get struck by lightning and using it as a projectile is so cool that it’s impossible to hate. The main problem is how reminiscent it is of the final Gannondorf fight in Twilight Princess.
I feel the fight could have used some more variety but I felt it was a good challenge (it took me three tries to beat him, Ghirahim I beat without dying) and the game did tell us as early as the second dungeon that Ghirahim was working for someone else. A good chunk of the game is also spent trying to keep Demise from escaping his prison.
@@dragonstormx yeah but they really didn't do a very good job showing how much of a threat Demise is as the main Antagonist as Ghirahim was always there taunting us. If we spent less time smashing Demises toes and drilling a nail into his head and have him show actual signs of increasing danger he's causing would've really hyped up what he'd become to be in the final battle. Like Calamity Ganon he was done much better in Age of Calamity then he was in Botw actually felt threatening. While he was overshowed by his blights
@@jojomuppet1820 I do agree that Demise could have had more of a presence beyond trying to escape his prison as a giant killer muppet.
Since you brought up Calamity Ganon, something I feel could have done with Demise would be as the seal on him weakens, we say all the plant life in the Sealing Grounds slowly die off, like how all the Calamity Ganon's presence turns everything around Hyrule Castle into a barren rock.
@@dragonstormx which would be great to limit the amount of heart plants as he scales up closer to the temple making the player carefully prep and have them try to maneuver around him at the right timing making it hard to get near him especially the cheese way of using groose to launch link onto his head. By him trying to block the successful landing and we'd have to try to tire him out to make an opening
@@jojomuppet1820 And maybe The Imprisoned could have shot a mass of malice to the regions and the water dragon, changing the terrain and giving us a boss fight instead of a tadpole chase.
Heck, instead of Demise waiting us like a chum, he opens a hole in the sky and creates a giant tower in order to attack past Skyloft. That tower would be the last dungeon, in which all of the items and skills aquired would be used.
There's a reason I dropped that cluster F-Bomb for that twist in Command Mission.
With that Kuja bit, I am pretty damn sure this man should be a voice actor.
Right?!☺️
He's definitely got the acting chops for it, and can *definitely* ham it up when needed.
I actually remember the final boss of Skyward sword foundly, mostly just because of what happens when you try doing a sword beam during the battle
I actually really like Ishmelga Loge as the final boss. You being able to choose from every playable character in the game (including guests) really makes it fun for me. That and the sheer satisfaction you get when you finally wreck the face of that monster. Plus there were some foreshadowing for Ishmelga before, but yeah Osborne definitely had more of a presence and was there since Sky 3rd.
What a way to end the year in terms of boss battles!
10. No surprise that this is here given how emotional Xion's battle was. Ha! We thought the same thing!
9. Yeah if only the Moon Presence had more of a 'presence' throughout the story!
8. Why couldn't Steven be the final boss in Emerald and Wallace be the post-game boss?
7. Yeah I heard the spiel on the Joker fight from Rabbidluigi and I don't need to hear it again.
6. Okay I know we were building up the leviathans before but really just switch the order of the bosses and you would have cheers instead of jeers!
5. Really the Elder Princess Shroob should have been the final boss and not Bowser!
4. You know... this concept could have worked... key word being 'could'
3. No surprise here... if only Demise has more presence...
2. Where did this death god come from? I want my theater monkey back!
1. If only Alice Twilight was the final boss instead of this p***
I think the way Redips could've worked is if HE's the disguise and Spider is the real villain. Have his motivation tie to his connection with Chief R, maybe have Chief R did something that upset Spider so much it pushed him to villainy by absorbing a supra force metal of his own and grow more insane to the point of wanting more, but have him maintain his subtletly in a similar way to how Epsilon is immune to the maverick effect. It'll create a sense of tragedy and cunning around the chatacter. That would've been a good enough blueprint instead of what we actually got.
I heard it again and I still don't agree with it.
So... Josh can do voice acting for both Kefka AND Kuja?
....nice. :D
so glad you put the thank you Kevin in when talking about Batman. he is THE voice of the dark knight, and now the world has lost a diamond.
No one likes to be overshadowed especially when it comes to bosses but sometimes that's what happens when the previous boss before was extremely epic that the ones after while not bad but end up not as epic.
Number 3 is what!? Did they not see what Demise did to that little creep? He took one good look and said "You're my little sword-b_tch. Now, come over here so daddy can beat this green mute."... Not to mention the atmosphere of the fight.
I think I have a suggestion for a future boss countdown: Top 10 Team Bosses. AKA, a boss where you need to focus on multiple bosses at once instead of just 2 or 3. Some examples are the final boss of Project X Zone, the Hero Statues from Dragon Quest 8, and either Baroness Von Bon Bon or the Moonshine Mob from Cuphead
The Twins!
"This is going to be a terrible night"
Magus Sisters from FFIV. Yes i know its just 3 but they're the definition of Team. one has supportive magic, one has disruptive magic and one has offensive magic. How do they combo this? by casting reflect on one sister and bouncing a spell off her onto your party so you cant reflect it back if you somehow have reflect at that point. Also their pattern and moves change once you take one or two of them down.
- Elite Trio from M&L
- Kin, Gin, and Bronzlow from YKW2 Psychic Specters
- Zazel from YKW Blasters
Pick one.
Ornstein and Smough, four kings, darklurker maybe, souls games have a lot of options
Henry Miller, need I really say more?
In defense of the whole Ishmelga and Osborne thing, it is revealed in Cold Steel 3 that Osborne transplanted his own heart into Rean's body in a desperate attempt to save him.
While I agree that there is definitely an argument in favor of Ishmelga Loge, I don't see what that has to do with it. That doesn't really mean much out of context.
Also Osborne can be pretty much trashed, while Ishmelga requires you to at least team balance a little bit
plus, to me at least, it was always obvious that Osborne was NEVER gonna be the villain of the story, especially since there were like other charactrs who more actively doing villainious shit than him.
@@sarafontanini7051 Dr. Guenther from Zero for one. Duke Cayenne from Trails of Cold Steel 2, being another example. And of course, Ishmelga itself.
@@davidtimmer596 Guenther never gets overshadowed cuz there's nobody TO overshadow him.
Cayenne is very intentional. The plot lampshades it hard. But you also never fight Cayenne so he couldn't fit in the list even if he wanted to
IIRC, in the FF9 Ultimania, it states that Necron was summoned by Kuja's despair. Though, would have been better for them to say it in the game and not a companion guide
Dude that sounds cool and I wish I knew that
That just makes me sad lol
Just damn man
Necron is basically like an Outer God that was summoned by Kuja trying to destroy the world. Like a weird eldritch ritual
@@pancakes8670Or alternatively, Necron could've been Kuja's dead body mutated by the power of Ultima, still moving and fighting for one last battle through remnants of his despair and suffering.
Think Jyuuza's final stand from Fist of the North Star but in the villain's perspective.
I'm surprised we didn't get an Alex cameo screaming at Jasper Batt Jr. Of course, then that would be an Alex overshadowing Josh moment which we simply could not have. May the Jasper hate never die.
"Transforming into an eldritch abomination even Kirby would do a double-take for"
I mean, at the time of Partners in Time releasing, probably.
Considering more recent things like Void and Fecto Forgo? Elder Princess Shroob would be a daydream in comparison.
11:05 Seeing you use clips from 2004’s The Batman makes me so happy. That show is so underrated.
Having recently beaten Final Fantasy 9 this year, I am eternally grateful to see Kuja and Necron on the list!
Good shout to Cold Steel IV in the honorable mentions. I'd also include Trails in the Sky SC with the fight with Loewe before the final boss.
Squeak Squad is probably the prime example of having an overshadowed boss. Dark Daroach has one of the rawest designs of any Kirby boss and could have been a satisfying final boss himself. However, we just had to stick to Kirby tradition of fighting some eldritch abomination, and the best Hal could come with is Starro if he died when you stare into his eye too hard.
Oh that’s right(almost shrugged it away). Squeak Squad might have been more greatly remembered if they didn’t launch that cliche. Nowadays you hardly ever hear about Daroach anymore from the series(which also just sucks considering his dark form wasn’t total, black, nega, evil version). Nebula never scratched that satisfying final battle itch. He’s as bad as, i don’t know “Claycia”? or big bad, evil, wham bam Necrodeus.
I love how people are only NOW realizing the point behind Necron like 20+ years after the fact
Still doesn't change that he was lazily shoehorned in
Yeah, blame that on character limits, given that Necron's original Japanese name was "Eternal Darkness", making it a lot more obvious it's supposed to be an abstract concept rather than a character (I guess the localizers decided renaming the boss "Oblivion" was too on the nose)
And also that Necron...or Necro. Means Death.
An overarching theme in FF9 is the Balance of Life and Death, and what happens should someone disrupt that balance.
I actually liked necron what's the problem the music was awesome there's always going to be people kicking necron when he's down but it was still a good boss still a bit disappointing but still a good boss fun to fight
The Omega Metroid in Fusion is this for me. The SA-X is such a great mirror boss, and then the Omega just, shows up last minute with minimal foreshadowing.
*Inserts Grandia 2 here* The main antagonist of the game is Valmar, an evil deity as it were. Throughout the game you face different 'pieces of Valmar' and at one point the dude becomes whole again. When you face his 'true form' the first time, it plays out like a final boss and it's a challenge (in the future I did grind a bit because he was a legit hard boss) and it is always satisfying to beat him. He retreats and you have to face him again as the actual 'final boss' and . . . he's a cakewalk. Even though he always dishes out the hardest magic spells, there's one way to avoid this. By this time a former party member rejoins and has broken move the literally freezes any foe it targets for a long time. Oh I need to mention this is a TURN based JRPG and in the first time you face Valmar, there are 4 parts to him you need to defeat. In the final boss, Valmar only had 1 part to him and by freezing him in place, it really only takes me 5 to 10 minutes to defeat the dude because I never give him the chance to attack thanks to that one Super Move. He's actually the EASIEST BOSS in the whole game! Yes, easier than the first big boss in the game. It's hilariously underwhelming and so absurd that I laugh my head off. I can't help but wonder if this is why Grandia 3's final boss is SOO super hard (so hard it can kill your whole party in a few turns, it's that unfair).
I hope dreamy Bowser from Mario and Luigi dream team is considered, he's such a fun fight that get overlooked only because antasma was so good too
Commenting before the video premieres, my two guesses are Necron (overshadowed by Trance Kuja) and Arceus (overshadowed by Volo, which is something Volo would absolutely be very proud of).
I'm the opposite, actually! ☺️
@@delphoxhoopa7289 The opposite?
@@BJGvideos I assume they meant Necron/Volo were overshadowed by Trance Kuja/Arceus.
@@BJGvideos I mean I like the Arceus fight more than Volo. Not helping I got MASSIVELY spoiled to the Volo fight beforehand...😮💨
@@delphoxhoopa7289 Ah man spoilers are a pain. Yeah I got spoiled by a fanart of Volo with a shirt that said "god complex". But it didn't tell me the specifics like the music or his team composition at least.
Tales of Symphonia immediately comes to mind for me. Technically its a two form fight, but the first form is significantly more dangerous than the final form.
yeah, thats 2 phases of the same fight, imo. yes, u get exp for the first phase, but then it goes RIGHT into the 2nd phase. The Penultimite boss is technically Origin, despite how far away the two of them are. Its odd how there are no other bosses in the final area, though there are three symbolic ( and optional) mini-bosses
From a writing stand point I feel the last dungeon of the game is a little weak since you've already set up everything to rejoin the two worlds, plus Lloyd has settled things Kratos. Mithos popping up again feels like it's there to add a final challenge to the game.
I always figured that 313 was more of a second half of the final boss fight, with Dark Samus hiding in/fusing with the Phazon-corrupted Aurora Unit because she figured she can't take Samus out on her own.
Honestly the Riku fight in 358 days should have been one of many against him. Building up the rivalry. I'm honestly surprised that none of the shin magami tensi franchises ended up here.
One Honorable Mention that I bring is Yabaoth from Persona 5, A Random God of Control an Head of the Metaverse that has no mention or actual leverage on the history other than a literal Bet
all this after having Shido the man that tried to ruin our protagonist life over saving a girl he was trying to R* pe, the man that was connected, controling and somehow manipulating almost every previous bad guy, the man that killed a scientist and stealed her investigation to have the metaverse as a tool to caus mayhem, chaos, and a lot of death in favor of his political campain, the man that used his own bastard son as a tool and assasin and then killed him when he stoped being usful
You know, one example I got of a final boss being "disappointing" is the Neo Granzon in SRW OG Gaiden. Now, it is a fairly challenging boss fight with how deadly the Mech can be, but despite how awesome of a character it's pilot Shu Shirakawa is he got overshadowed by the boss from beforehand, Dark Brain. This boss is by far the toughest fight in the entire Super Robot Wars series with attacks that can not only reach huge distances but is also capable of one-shotting even some of your strongest mechs if you aren't careful and not to mention he has two forms which combined together and due to OG Gaiden's HP blot for bosses he has over 1 million HP in comparison to the Neo Granzon which only has about 380000.
you know its bad when the final boss isnt remembered fondly, or at all in some cases
Personally, I think Osborne and Ishmelga were equal in terms of build up. Through out the games, you learn and experience horrible events that go beyond reason. Some don't make sense on the surface. But then you start piecing things together and you figure out that there is more going on. When you learn about Ishmelga's ability, it all clicks together. Ishmelga is a background villain yes, only taking action if absolutely necessary. Which doesn't really happen too often because by setting up something, it has a chain reaction down the line. Yes there is more to it than that, but to me both were equal in terms of build up.
Wallace and his Millotic was an endless source of frustration when I first played the game at 11yo.
Honorable Mentions:
*Great Shard > Lucien - Fable 2
-Yeah, the final stand against Lucien is undeniably bad, one of the worst/laziest final bosses of all time. And the Great Shard isn't fantastic either, but at least it actually puts up a better fight! There are so many other ways the Lucien "fight" could've worked. Maybe do what "The Boss" from Metal Gear Solid 3 did by having an ACTUAL fight, and then finish him off with one last shot.
*Calamity Ganon > Dark Beast Ganon - The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
-There's no urgency to put you in peril in the final boss, not even a time limit. And while Ganon's attacks are really strong, they're EMBARRASSINGLY easy to avoid. We could've just ended the fight with Calamity Ganon in the castle.
Agree with the Lucien fight it's so lazy and dumb compared to even the final bosses in 1&3 ugh
I think Odin from God of War Ragnarok is an example now. Especially given how much people loved the Thor boss battles and even the Gna boss after the campaign.
I don't think it would make this list mainly because Odin itself is still a very fun boss fight one of the best in Ragnarok and true bosses like say Necron can be considered fun as well but the difference between Odin and Necron is unlike Necron, we knew from the beginning that Odin would be the final story boss especially since we were introduced to him in the beginning of the game and that fight was built up especially with everything he has done involving Kratos Atreus, Freya and the rest of your group especially at the very end where it became personal. True Thor was an amazing boss but don't leave out Odin because he is also a very fun boss fight and more rewarding boss fight if I do say so given how much pain he has caused for our main heroes and heroines and heck some people actually like the Odin boss fight over Thor, I'm not one of those people but I wouldn't say that boss would make the list.
@@King_Mike_X Plus it still wraps up the story pretty well.
Odin is too prominent in the story to count, I think.
Odin was still mentioned throughout the game and made his appearances known. Plus his battle was still good too unlike many other final bosses from gaming.
@@King_Mike_X Originally the final boss of FF 9 was going to be Hades, but Square wanted Hades to be a super boss. So we got Necron instead.
Fun fact, in the Pokemon Adventures manga, Wallace was the champion but steps down to become a gym leader because he wants to be with Winona, and he gave the title to his best friend Steven.
The one thing I can think of that would've improved the Aurora Unit 313 fight is a design change. Have it sprout Phazon tentacles partway through the fight, give it a resemblance to the Metroid Prime Core, and bada-bing bada-boom, full circle and all that jazz.
11:33 RIP, Mr. Conroy.
Arkham Origins is my favorite simply because it was the only one that got Bane RIGHT
I'm surprised you left out Krouser and Saddler from RE4.
Starting with Saddler, the final boss, he has a final monologue, transforms into a gigantic spider-zord-like monster, and his only real attack is hurling steel beams from the construction platform outstanding on.
How to beat him: dodge his attacks, control construction cranes to hurl steel beams into him, stab his giant exposed eye, and repeat until Ada shows up with a heat-seeking rocket launcher! Aim it in his general direction and a cutscene is triggered when you press the "fire" button. The whole thing is, essentially, one big quick-time event!
As for Krouser...
He has you trapped in desert ruins, and morphs his left arm into a giant fin-like bladed appendage that doubles as a bullet-proof shield! While I've never been able to use the "lightning cannon" (As I like to call it.) or P.R.L. gun (Plaga Removal Laser) on him, every weapon you have is *useless* until he lowers his shield to attack you with it! And you better aim FAST!
To make matters worse: this battle is timed! If you don't kill him and escape the ruins in under three minutes, you're *both* dead via explosives rigged up all over the tower you're fighting on!
Also, also, you encounter Krouser, not once, but *twice* before! The first is a quick-time event where you're dueling knives, and the second is the build-up to the boss fight where you're not only fighting him, but also numerous, fully armed drones! And you can't *kill* him until the boss fight, so save your Ammo!
After Krouser, the rest of the game is a cakewalk by comparison!
5:50 Ari's reaction is hilarious!
Agreed
Honestly I feel like there's a more overshadowed Pokemon final boss than Wallace.
Specifically, Alder in Black and White.
He's initially upstaged by N and Ghetsis, who pose a huge threat, are the thematic conclusion to the game, and tie the league challenge into the plot in a way so satisfying it's kind of amazing more games haven't replicated the formula. The after all that, you have to gruelingly force your way through the second Elite Four challege, all of whom are even stronger the second time and are massively overleveled.
And then you tear through Alder's entire team like a wet tissue.
I see you putting Emet-Selch in the video when talking about the Final Fantasy segment. My man.
I was about to come for him going "wait, why is Emet here, he's actually the last boss of ShB!" Then realized "oh, no, he's not actually going to have him on the list. Thank god."
I have the "Tonight, Gehrman joins the hunt...." as my message ringtone and instinctively checked my phone there lol
But yeah, definitely the best reveal and an awesome fight
They could've had Alice defeat Jasper first and then she'd be the final boss. By the way I was so overjoyed when it turned out that Jasper Batt jr. was #1 on this list. It was the first boss fight I thought of the moment I saw the title of this video.
I wanna say: Dragon's Dogma being the transition music and FFX being the visual makes me happy ^^
And fitting, because with the former, Grigori is definitely a better boss than the Seneschal. Not that I think the Seneschal is the worst final boss ever (I mean I'd say he's woefullly easy but in DD its so easy to become overpowered it eventually applies to every enemy and boss in the game) and I get what it set out to do thematically...buuuuuut yeah lol.
For the latter...do I even need to say anything about Yu Yevon? Braska's Final Aeon was definitely a better boss in EVERY way. The only redeeming thing about Yu Yevon for me anyway was the music.
Can’t forget about Far Cry 3.
Vass has been a incredibly Charismatic and memorable insane antagonist. Having done so much to drive you to the brink of insanity.
Meanwhile we get the actual final boss Hoyt. Just another gangster who can’t hold a candle to Vass.
I've wondered what might've happened if Alice had become the no. 1 ranked assassin before Travis caught up to her. If she had killed Pizza Bat Jr first then you fight her after.
The game probobly wouldn't have changed outside of her being the final boss. By the time of the Alice fight Travis already learned that the revenge thing was pointless and was instead motivated to put an end to the UAA to end the cycle.
@@emberfist8347 That actually could've worked, going after the UAA would've mean't taking out Sylvia too and Travis wouldn't let that happen.
Omega Metroid in "Metroid Fusion" because of SA-X
This should be interesting. Let me think of a couple off the top of my head that could qualify for this list (aside from Demise):
Nekron or Yu Yevon from Final Fantasys 9 and 10. Kuja and Jecht just make for better bosses.
Jasper from No more heroes 2. Haven’t played it myself but I remember a lot of countdown makers saying how much better Alice was than Jasper.
Ghetsis from Pokémon Black and White. Ghetsis is the final boss but N basically overshadows him in almost every way.
Chaos from Castlevania Aria of Sorrow. While the battle with Chaos is great, the fact that you face a member of the Belmont clan in Julius is just awesome.
Lavos’ core from Chrono Trigger. The shell has been all we’ve seen of Lavos up to this point so it kind of overshadows both of the other forms.
I think you got this the wrong way around on some cases.
I believe this is going to be a list of final bosses that were good... but ultimately overshadowed by a boss fight earlier than it.
@@greatsageclok-roo9013 well I’m an idiot, Thanks. I’ve edited the comment to actually mention the final boss.
@@greatsageclok-roo9013 RIP
@@CountShaman I was half right at least.
To be fair, before the video aired, the title was vague enough that the implication could have gone either way.
@@masterofchaos7282 Originally the final boss of FF 9 was going to be Hades, but Square wanted Hades to be a super boss. So we got Necron instead.
After Dark Samus appeared on Top 10 Poison Bosses, I was honestly expecting Aurora Unit 313 to make its presence known on this list of overshadowed final bosses
Not that I’m claiming to know a lot about the franchise… but it seems like a justified case to me.
It’s technically the last form of a boss overshadowed by its previous one. Josh outright calls it a “last-ditch effort”, ergo, something Dark Samus never wanted to consider while a more agile form seemed sufficient. But in the end, protecting Aurora Unit 313 was paramount… odds of success be damned.
Josh, is there going to be a Top 2022 Fails list?
That will probably be in January
So what fails we will have this year?
Maybe mention that the original voice actor for Bayonetta saying bad words.
Perhaps mention Yuji Naka landing on the go to jail space.
Google Stadia officially dead.
Something with EA, ActaBlizzard, or another company.
@@zeldasmetaknight Nintendo got busted for poor employee treatment earlier this year. Didn't hear much else about it since, though...
There was also that massive uproar and fallout with an update to GT7 which saw the game get review bombed.
And although unlikely to appear... EVERYTHING regarding Sonic Omens. Way to tarnish fan-game reputation!
as a kid, I was like "uhhhhh Kuja? who's this genie looking guy? what?!"
in p5 vanilla -- shadow shido > yaldaboth. shadow shido has a personal connection to both the protag and nearly the whole party (sans mona), with an epic four (five in royal) stage boss fight that requires all the strategies youve learned over the game. yaldaboth - while being an important antagonist - seems to come right the hell out of nowhere, and while the fight is okay, the mechanics can be frustrating. its worse in royal, where yaldaboth is both overshadowed by shadow shido and the final boss of royal. i can see why the giant sippy cup isnt on the list, as its technically not the final boss of royal, but still
That’s how all Persona final bosses are
Can’t be Megaten game or JRPGs in general without fighting (a) God or sentient being. But where as in other Megaten games God being the final boss makes sense since his influence is felt throughout most the game even when he’s dead in smt5 or how Metaphysical the games wants to be, in most persona tho it feels like a cope out
@@Andy-sj4ip like if you look at the final boss of strikers, thats foreshadowed and also seems like its inevitable, especially with the mystery of sophie's identity. in comparison, yaldaboth just came right the fuck out of nowhere to just fit the bingo card lol
I'd personally place Kagutsuchi on this list, from Shin Megami Tensei 3. He's the supreme being of light, having been watching over the apocalyptic Vortex World since the beginning and being the sole being who can bring about the rebirth of the world. The entire Tower of Kagutsuchi dungeon is meant to hype him up, many NPCs in awe of him and desiring to reach him. Not to mention the three major factions who seek to present their Reasons to him. And depending on what route you take, these battles against the Reason-holders and their Demonic Sponsors can be extremely challenging with their mechanics. While Kagutsuchi has a basic two phases and no major gimmicks besides his Phase Shift.
Nocturne is really tricky to narrow down a definitive "final boss" from.
Depending on your route, it can be Baal Avatar, Kagutsuchi, or Lucifer.
Of those, Kagutsuchi is definitely the weakest link, but since there's two routes that don't end with him (the widely accepted "definitive" one ending with Lucifer), I don't think he'd make the cut in the spirit of the video.
@@gamezilla345 Personally, I believe that Kagutsuchi could still have a place in the video simply because he's the final boss in the majority of the routes. Sure, the Demon and True Demon paths don't have him as the final boss, but that's 2/6. As Kagutsuchi is the final challenge of 4/6 routes, he should have a place on the list simply for being the final boss in over half the endings.
I'm probably going to get flack for this, a lot of flack, but I feel like Shido and Yaldabaoth from Persona 5 should have at least been an honorable mention. Both fights are very fun and great spectacles, and are tests of the skills you learn throughout the game, but I feel like Shido is the better fight out of the two. Sure, Yaldabaoth has been there from the beginning disguised as Igor, and closer to the last third of the game, there's more of a sense that there's something greater at work in Mementos, but Shido was there from the beginning. He's the reason Joker gets arrested and charged with assault. He's the catalyst for the entire Phantom Thieves adventure. He's the shadow behind most of the palace rulers. You even learn that the principal of the high school works for Shido. He was aware of and using the Metaverse for his own gain. Then you have his actual fight. It just felt like everything in the game lead up to Shido. Now, it's Persona, obviously there's some god level entity the main character needs to face to ultimately prove their side of the conflict. But even though not a god level entity, Shido felt like that conflict being resolved. The whole game, Shido has been running to be Prime Minister of Japan, the ultimate level of control over Japan, while Joker is out here fighting for his freedom and to prove his innocence, which he eventually does. Again, I only say an honorable mention because, while I do feel Shido is the better fight, Yaldabaoth does still get a decent bit of build up even if he's not mentioned until the end game stuff of vanilla P5, as with each level of Mementos the team goes down, Mona always mentions something further, then there's everything that goes on after Shido's confession, with the masses pretty much ignoring it. Again, both fights are great, but Shido just slightly edges out as the better fight to me
YES! FINALLY WE GET A SPOT FOR THE TRAILS SERIES ON A SCORCHER LIST! EVEN IF IT IS A MORE NEGATIVE LIST!
Now that my exuberance is out of the way, I agree somewhat with Osbourne-Ishmelga Loge. Yea Ishmelga was far more of a cakewalk compared to Osbourne so I can understand that. While I love being able to play with every playable character from all 3 arcs of Trails, it was fairly easy. Osbourne tested me from beginning to end, even the Divine Knight battle. That said story-wise, it didn’t come out of nowhere since it was alluded to in CS3. I won’t spoil for anyone who wants to play the games. Still love the list Josh.
Prediction: Imma say either Arceus from Pokemon Legends Arceus or The Moon Presence from Bloodborne
I always get excited to see a new top 10 list from this channel😊
Nioh has to be on this- fight the giant dragon version of the villain you fight the entire game and then learn the guy from the prologue is the real big bad
The Ishmelga fight hurts even more by virtue of the fact that you don't even fight him unless you went out of your way to defeat the secret boss that has an item that gives you the game's true ending. If you didn't get that, you have to go back to an earlier save to do it and go through the entire endgame again or you have to redo the game on NG+.
Just an absolute pain in the ass for what is otherwise a great game.
At least it's really cathartic when you can finally wreck the shit of Ishmelga. *Muujinken goes brrrr.* Plus the game letting you choose from all the guest characters cements the fight as one of my favourites. Even if a bit easy.
@@Darkyan97 Oh absolutely, I obviously would have preferred the guest characters to have been in a better boss fight but it is still cathartic nonetheless.
it's funny how you bring up how forgetful Wallace is because the anime also poked fun at this too where Wallace meets ash again but ash doesn't remember wallace at all but he remembers Steven which irritates wallace
You should probably make Top Ten TRUE! Final Bosses
Glad to see Jasper *again* again AGAIN on a Top 10 vid; never change Josh
Dark Element from Dark Cloud 2 would be an example. The Game builds up Emperor Griffin for the final boss, only for it come out of no where. Though the gimmick of having to switch the two player characters and having an actual 5 minute time limit before the moon falls and kills you and everyone else is a nice touch. Though the mini boss rush up the Spiral of Dreams could have been done better. Thank God for the Ridpode.
I would still classify the trowser fight as her desperation move instead of a new fight in of itself. It’s still her, continuing the fight. Almost the same as her summoning her minion’s to fight you, just in a roundabout way. Maybe if was just bowser, yeah sure, though I’d think that would be more of a “that’s all folks” kinda situation.
ok my take on the Moon presence is that it's a very weak creature that's more of a schemer than a fighter hence why Gehrman was there, to act as a shield for it it's a creature that doesn't want to fight for itself it wants the strongest to fight for it and there was very little build up to it as it hides in shadows. in its mind if Gehrman loses it gets a new stronger guard if Gehrman wins it still has its shield just the same so the cords forcing it to fight you is a big shock to it.
FF9 is one of my all-time favorites but even I admit it was jarring to see a boss come out of nowhere to upstage the main villain was pretty bad especially since Kuja was so hellbent on wiping out all life period
Another idea Top 10 robot bosses: Bosses that either are mechanical beings or robots
I mean, Demise was actually a pretty kickass final boss gameplay wise, I couldn’t at least beat him in one try unlike Girahim, he actually took me an hour or two
Nice list! Some final bosses I would say have been overshadowed are Yalbadoth < Shadow Shidow from Persona 5, Bakur < Julius from Tales of Xillia 2,
More people remember Yaldabaoth than they remember diet-Armstrong.
I think shadows Shido is a better boss than Yalbadoth. Yalbadoth was integrated a bit forced
OH. Facing your teamates > erebus
Well, to be fair in regards to Shrowser, it honestly adds to the direness of the Elder Shroob Queen.
Like, she is such a threat that even killing her wasn't enough, and now she's possessed the physical powerhouse of Bowser to keep fighting.
I'm gonna take a wild guess and say 'Top 10 VG Rogue's Gallery's' for next month.
And my honorable mention is Takumi Someya from Yakuza 6.
To put it simple, Someya overshadows both the Final boss (Tsuneo Iwami) and the Penultimate boss (Kanji Koshimizu)!
You know you've screwed up when the penultimate boss or a superboss is *better* than the *final* boss.
You know you've screwed up even more when a f$cking *FANFIC* makes the final boss *sound* cool.
Nan The Keyblade Master, nuff said.
...I find it hilarious that out if everything I can think of, the battle with Steven stone in oras came to mind.
Mind you, it's not the elite four that overshadowed him...
It was wally
Edit: oh the irony of Steven overshadowing Wallace, when he later gets overshadowed
Ultra Necrozma absolutely overshadows Hau's fight at the end of Ultra Sun/Moon.
I mean, Hau's champion fight isn't bad and he's my favorite rival, but his competition is a suffering god of light with ridiculous stats, a moveset that covers HALF the type chart, an ability that boosts super effective damage further, AND an omniboost, all the while being at LEVEL 60, which is the level of Hau's ace in the champion fight.
I think it even has a higher level than Hau’s ace
We probably would have gone with Kukui overshadowing Hau if we're going by Gen 7 finale lol
Top 10 Beautiful Bosses.
Top 10 Heroic Bosses.
Top 10 Infuriating Bosses.
Wait, where the Hell's Asgore in this list?
"I'd argue Dark Samus was a bigger threat _before_ fusing with the suit."
So which one do you mean? When she was just a giant mecha spider that could change its weapons and weaknesses to match those weapons, or a giant floating human faced squid that could phase between dimensions and/or turn itself invisible?
Edit: Also, I don't count the Aurora Unit as a separate boss because it's exactly like counting Metal Gear Excelsus as a separate boss.
It pains me just how well Dreamy Bowser represents the character development and increase in presence the Koopa King had over the course of the M&L games along with having a great look and godly music...
Only to be pretty easy.
I will not deny that the Bane boss fight had me straight SHOOK! Bruh, I was like, "When the eff did this turn into Resident Evil: Nemesis?!" 😭
Number 8: As someone who’s never played the original Gen 3 versions before Emerald, I honestly found Wallace to be tough. My team didn’t exactly have many Grass or Electric moves.
Number 6: I honestly prefered Aurora Unit 313 over Dark Samus. Though that might be because Prime 3 was my first Prime game. Meaning that there was more buildup to the Aurora Unit than there was Dark Samus. With no context, she felt VERY out of place when it came to Phaaze.
16:32 Simple. Be extremely nervous about the fact that you got so far and can easily screw it up. I know I have especially on Hypermode Difficulty.
Number 1: I’ll be honest. I wouldn’t have thought of that.
nice video, i just want to say, orphan of kos kinda arrives later in a dlc so it's not really fair to compare it to the moon prescence since...it really feel like they learned from the moon prescence to make the orphan of kos.
Demise does have one thing atmosphere the arena becoming more stormy and the lightning coming down charging both swords makes it one I still like to some extent
To get to Ishmelga Loge you need to beat all the Cryptids and do all the side quests
Ones that come to my mind:
- King Allant. I mean.. the whole point of the fight is that it is a joke and you already fought against a proper final boss, that being his Fake version. But still, it is the actual final boss, so I guess it counts.
- Moon Presence.. wait, you actually put it in? Nice!
- Ansem, KH1. The fight against his world of chaos form is a spectacle but mechanically not that interesting. And it drags on for a long while. Meanwhile his guardian form is far more enjoyable as a fight.
- Armored Ventus Nightmare. It feels like an extra fight for the sake of story, while the Young Xehanort fight from before was far more climactic.
- Elden Beast. Technically Radagon is part of the same fight as you do have to them both in one go, but.. Radagon is a much better fight. Elden Beast isn't bad, but by comparison to Radagon's cool moveset, his mostly waiting and distance based attacks feel like a complete pace killer. Godfrey before it is also a fantastic fight.
- Angra, God Hand. Does anyone even remember what this boss was called? Does anyone even care? The fight with Azel before him is absolutely fantastic, which is why it is weird to see the game end on such a weak boss by comparison.
- Unknown, Tokyo Xtreme Racer 3. This game has three notable final climactic bosses, those being Jintei in his blue highly tuned GTR with a lightning aura, the three knights in their JZA80's, and God's Estuary in a Ford GT. Only once you have beaten all 599 rivals do you get to challenge.. a ghost version of your own car.. which has a V8 for some reason. Not some super cool boss vehicle or some ridiculously turned S30Z as a reference to Wangan Midnight. Instead it's just a ghostly version of your own car. All of that build up just to race against yourself technically. It's rather disappointing.
- Reflux, Rayman 3. Kinda like Ansem and Elden Beast, this boss has its better parts at the start while the finale is a bit.. eh. In this case it's because the finale is a very long turret section. Who the hell wants to end a 3D platformer on a turret section? At least the first three forms were about core gameplay, but still...
The situation where the pre-ulimate final boss and final boss might as well be switch.
For me the example are
Ghetsis
-Queen from deltarune chapter 2( not really a final boss, but people talk more about spamton neo then her)
-Julius(fire emblem 4 genealogy of the holy war)
The ah “thank you Kevin” the Kevin that you mentioned was Kevin conroy wasn’t in the game where that comes from
DARK. NEBULA. Kirby Squeak Squad was SO close to being a perfect Kirby game, but then Dark Nebula just HAD to be the easiest final boss in the entire SERIES. I had a harder time with DEDEDE. HE'S THE FIRST EFFING BOSS IN THAT GAME.
I’m impressed that Pokémon outdid themselves with geta < penny/arven/nemona/Arven’s parents/eri/clavel-Clive
Referring to those characters as Arven's parents is both funny and sad.
They would have done a better job at it, no doubt