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I don't care if suppressors are useless, I still equip them all the time because the suppressed gunshot sound in RoN is some of the best in the industry.
Well if it was realistic, the noise cancelling headphones would make it sound way differently but people would complain that the game doesn’t sound realistic.
So irl, the suppressor’s main use for SWAT teams in to distinguish SWAT gun shots from suspect, protect the hearing of the officers (sometimes the whole team don’t have electronic ear pro) and the hearing of the general public who may be in vicinity of the team’s gunshots. You shouldn’t try to use suppressors in this game like its Splinter Cell because those silencers are always gonna be unrealistic as hell.
Those are arguments I had not considered in favor of suppressors and are well worth considering. I do think there is value in noise intimidation however.
So yelling and killing or detaining a suspect has a huger trigger Radius than shooting a gun with no silencer. Alerted suspect have 360 degree view range, but calm down between 40-60seconds. Location of grenade and door openings will trigger suspects, they might come to investigate. Suspect react to shooting location/ viewrange but not to bullets landing close to them. Very good info😊
bro the swat thing is so true lmao, those motherfuckers will really take 2 bullets, have 5 armed swat members aiming at them and still decide to keep fighting.
1:23 I am now going to use this discovery to update my ROE to shoot on site, as they appear to have heard me declare my position in law enforcement as well as possibly referring them to drop there weapons. And any action beyond my declared entry towards me as an officer is conducted with ill intent by the suspects.
You can absolutely do that, I yell for compliance before entering a room sometimes. It gives away your position, but also means you are free to engage if they're not complying when you walk in.
I personally use supressors because the gun sounds are increadibly loud especially when firing inside buildings in this game Ive heard that nowadays in some police departments Suppressors are used by the police to reduce hearing damage but at the same time its only a thing ive heard Yes i know that you can off course turn down the sound but for me when i do it just becomes too quiet and i cannot hear what is going on around me in the game
Unfortunately, despite the updated sound system and detection, this is still present in the full 1.0 release. There were so many times where suspects told me to off myself from the opposite side of the map when I yeld at a civvie near the spawn.
God bro I’ve been struggling with this as well. They like reverted way back to a worse version of the AI from the beta. My favorite I have tested out is the detection radius for opening your tablet. It seems to put some into hunting phase
Very educational! I always use your videos as “research” to figure out how to play the game. I agree the AI should have some changes, but I imagine is a Herculean feat to rewrite that much code. Hopefully there will be a mod/update that changes the AI for the better, but I also expect it will Bork out something else entirely then
It might require a lot of effort but they have to do it if they want the game to stack up to its spiritual predecessors, this is some quite janky AI and the game suffers for it drastically. It shouldn't have even gotten this deep into the EA release to begin with, honestly, should have been rewritten long ago.
I would absolutely love if they increased screen shake and even added concussion effects as a side effect to using a muzzle brake, making it worse by caliber. A big reason a lot of depts use suppressors now are precisely because of the issues with unsuppressed firearms, especially 5.56 rifles, being shot rapidly in close quarters. That would really play in to the trade-off to adding more length to your barrel in order to avoid the harsh effects of unsuppressed rifles. Some really interesting dynamics from the AI though. Really good to know.
@bob SWAT and other elements wear hearing protection mostly for communication purposes. I've dumped rounds in CQB plenty, and even with ear protection in, the concussion effects of short barreled rifles is still very inconvenient and actually leads to traumatic brain injury depending on firing schedule
like others have said, I use suppressors because they work pretty much like IRL. flash hiding, not insanely loud, etc. only downside is that you add some inches to your barrel
The problem for me is that others do all of that better than the suppressor. Ron is obviously not a meta game, so you can play with whatever you find looks best, but I wanted to disprove the myth the suppressor actually helps you be stealthy in-game.
@@ryoukaherself late reply since I never got a notif for this, but yeah, I agree. I'd like for them to have some impact, but I'm so used to having them on guns in media or IRL that I just stick em on.
I mean despite the AI not being that smart, you can't deny that they aren't incompetent. Also the detain increased radius thing is insane. That's probably why people get jumped from the most unexpected places.
I actually never equip suppressors in RoN. I don't know if my logic applies to the game, but my real world logic is that noise intimidation is too valuable to give up. Noise is a valuable tool for stunning and suppressing resistance. The SWAT officers all have ear pro on, the suspects typically do not. A lot of really loud, reverberating noises, especially in tight quarters in theory will help make suspects more compliant. You're overwhelming people with sound. Suppressors make more sense for special operators trying to minimize giving their position away and for civilians who may not have the time or wherewithal to dawn ear pro when something goes bump in the night. Suppressors make the least sense for cops because of the aforementioned sound reason and because under most circumstances cops are supposed to be advertising their presence to give suspects a chance to surrender and come quietly.
Actually this is realistic, because the silencer doesn't actually silence guns in combat. In real life, guns with silencer are still loud enough to be heard by enemies.
That was not really the point I was trying to get across. I think it is fine for enemies to hear silencers. The problem is that opening doors or arresting someone alerts people from further away than silenced shots. It is completely irrelevant to use silencers when opening a door is going to do more noise, thus it is impossible to be "hidden"
A suppressed gun with subsonics is pretty much movie quiet, all you really hear is the rattle of the mechanism cycling. Maybe a puff of gas if the can isn't very large
Suppressors, imo, really help distinguish between friend and foe, as so far from what I've seen I've only ever seen players with suppressors, allowing me to easily identify and be identified as "in danger", essentially
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I usually only pick suppressors because i am sensitive to loud noises... probably the wrong game for me to play because of that, but the game is so much fun😂
@RyoukaHerself No kidding. I have this mod already but I could never find a console commands list anywhere and am unfamiliar with unreal engine in general so I didn't know where to start. Thanks alot man! You know your stuff.
really strange and sus how sound and triggers work especially with apprehension and such (could be changed and make sense Mindjot security since much like my previous comment, a nice suggestion and detail is to have radios go off, so let's imagine a calm or alerted phase where they make status checks and security radioing everyone, so if you take down one lethally or not and if they don't respond, that's where they become suspicious or alerted and sending a member to check it out (similar to the MGS games when you almost avert the alarm phase but having one extra sentry coming in), and when you're in a gun fight they'd communicate such as relocating/retreating and so on (a little militaristic for a security force, but still) it'd certainly make them stand out like the Veterans and Terrorists since they'd be using different tactics than your average gangster with a Hi-Point pistol plus if we had a secondary objective like having to confiscate something that contains hard evidence (like Voll or Brixley's CP stuff or messages), when security is fully alerted, they'd order one of their guys to take evidence we need with them (either keeping it or getting ready to escape much like the SWAT 4 subway level where if too many mobsters escape you lose), just an idea and this may not happen but still, pretty cool :)
@@ryoukaherself agreed it'd be so awesome, same as for the veterans (since they're clearly experienced ex army/military guys, they should be tougher to face than your average crackhead with a civilian pistol and class 2 vest), though yeah maybe keep it as a exclusive mode (i heard they will remove modes that don't fit in with certain levels which is understandable)
Wonder if this is still the case for 1.0 I know they majorly reworked AI and audio both. Also, apparently having a suppressor on and firing isn't as intimidating to suspects when it comes to making them comply. Loud bang bang makes bad person scared.
I know for sure they can hear when you reload or check magazine (they immediate rush you and say "He's reloading!"). Also it seems they can hear SWAT footsteps through walls. Would love to see someone do a full 1.0 AI analysis.
yeah, I noticed that too, on gas station once. entered a room with a suspect having his back to me, and the guy did not notice walking up behind him until I yelled...and hope you get well soon. But due to the lethal fights, I rather go in stealth anyway, opening doors and lockpicking, rather than breaching. That's also why I wondered when you should do breach/clear over open/clear, and which breaching method /kick, shotgun or explosives should be used when. And, silly question, when giving the SWAT Al non lethal guns, is the R7 worth it? They fire it so slow. I wondered if giving them all beanbacks for nonlethal approaches is better
@@ryoukaherself yeah, i saw they are way better with the beanback shotgun. Altough, apart from the now common issue the SWAT Al not following orders, I also got evidence clipping through the floor, unable to be retrieved...sucks
The game has a lot of issues. In Hostage situation, every armed individual is considered enemy combatant, and shooting him would be textbook. Also, some missions you make police grunt work e.g. find the hidden drugs, etc. That is not the job of a rapid deployment team. Also, getting penalized for shooting someone with an ak and full body armor during a bomb threat because you didn't shout first "police" is detached from reality. Rapid deployment teams are only used in extreme situations and have different ROE. Instead, you behave like a traffic cop. The AI was better in a 15 year old game called Swat 3 cqb
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this is totally rainbow six siege lol
I don't care if suppressors are useless, I still equip them all the time because the suppressed gunshot sound in RoN is some of the best in the industry.
I'll use it once they add it to the magnum >:(
@@ryoukaherself I mean, good luck suppressing a revolver, lol
always suppressed, drip or drown, and im floating brother, larp hard or go home, #tier1operatorwannabe
It’s nice for IFF too. Always a good idea to figure out which side is still shooting.
Well if it was realistic, the noise cancelling headphones would make it sound way differently but people would complain that the game doesn’t sound realistic.
So irl, the suppressor’s main use for SWAT teams in to distinguish SWAT gun shots from suspect, protect the hearing of the officers (sometimes the whole team don’t have electronic ear pro) and the hearing of the general public who may be in vicinity of the team’s gunshots. You shouldn’t try to use suppressors in this game like its Splinter Cell because those silencers are always gonna be unrealistic as hell.
That is a pretty cool fact, thanks for sharing it!
Actually really interesting thanks for sharing homie
To be fair, if I'm running a MP5SD with Subsonic a guy 6 walls away shouldn't hear it
Those are arguments I had not considered in favor of suppressors and are well worth considering. I do think there is value in noise intimidation however.
Yeah, suppressed firearms are still VERY loud, so in a CQB environment people are going to hear it.
I use the suppressor to minimize muzzle flash. Without it, it's hard to see what you're shooting at in the dark after a few rounds.
I mean that really is the point of the supressor, signature and flash reduction
Clear and concise info, not that I am that into AI or how it works but it's always interesting to hear
and also great vid as always Ryouka
Glad you enjoyed the video and that it helped understand the game better hehe!
doesnt matter if suppressors work or not
they look cool, sound cool, and you feel cool
So yelling and killing or detaining a suspect has a huger trigger Radius than shooting a gun with no silencer. Alerted suspect have 360 degree view range, but calm down between 40-60seconds. Location of grenade and door openings will trigger suspects, they might come to investigate. Suspect react to shooting location/ viewrange but not to bullets landing close to them. Very good info😊
honestly if i were being shot at by someone from 30m away i wouldnt care either
5 walls away? no problem
This was WAY DEEPER than I was expecting going into this vid and it's cool learning more about how the ai works. Great vid.
bro the swat thing is so true lmao, those motherfuckers will really take 2 bullets, have 5 armed swat members aiming at them and still decide to keep fighting.
1:23 I am now going to use this discovery to update my ROE to shoot on site, as they appear to have heard me declare my position in law enforcement as well as possibly referring them to drop there weapons. And any action beyond my declared entry towards me as an officer is conducted with ill intent by the suspects.
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You can absolutely do that, I yell for compliance before entering a room sometimes. It gives away your position, but also means you are free to engage if they're not complying when you walk in.
if you play raid, you don't even need to yell lmao
Well suppressors are still loud irl just not unsuppressed loud.
and won't burst your eardrums as bad
I personally use supressors because the gun sounds are increadibly loud especially when firing inside buildings in this game
Ive heard that nowadays in some police departments Suppressors are used by the police to reduce hearing damage but at the same time its only a thing ive heard
Yes i know that you can off course turn down the sound but for me when i do it just becomes too quiet and i cannot hear what is going on around me in the game
Unfortunately, despite the updated sound system and detection, this is still present in the full 1.0 release. There were so many times where suspects told me to off myself from the opposite side of the map when I yeld at a civvie near the spawn.
God bro I’ve been struggling with this as well. They like reverted way back to a worse version of the AI from the beta.
My favorite I have tested out is the detection radius for opening your tablet. It seems to put some into hunting phase
Yell at a civilian
Get a phone call
It's from some bank robber in China
Very educational! I always use your videos as “research” to figure out how to play the game. I agree the AI should have some changes, but I imagine is a Herculean feat to rewrite that much code. Hopefully there will be a mod/update that changes the AI for the better, but I also expect it will Bork out something else entirely then
Happy my videos are of use!
SWAT AI is getting a rework soon, I’m hoping it comes with some changes to how it interacts with suspects!
It might require a lot of effort but they have to do it if they want the game to stack up to its spiritual predecessors, this is some quite janky AI and the game suffers for it drastically.
It shouldn't have even gotten this deep into the EA release to begin with, honestly, should have been rewritten long ago.
I would absolutely love if they increased screen shake and even added concussion effects as a side effect to using a muzzle brake, making it worse by caliber. A big reason a lot of depts use suppressors now are precisely because of the issues with unsuppressed firearms, especially 5.56 rifles, being shot rapidly in close quarters.
That would really play in to the trade-off to adding more length to your barrel in order to avoid the harsh effects of unsuppressed rifles.
Some really interesting dynamics from the AI though. Really good to know.
@bob SWAT and other elements wear hearing protection mostly for communication purposes. I've dumped rounds in CQB plenty, and even with ear protection in, the concussion effects of short barreled rifles is still very inconvenient and actually leads to traumatic brain injury depending on firing schedule
like others have said, I use suppressors because they work pretty much like IRL. flash hiding, not insanely loud, etc.
only downside is that you add some inches to your barrel
The problem for me is that others do all of that better than the suppressor. Ron is obviously not a meta game, so you can play with whatever you find looks best, but I wanted to disprove the myth the suppressor actually helps you be stealthy in-game.
@@ryoukaherself late reply since I never got a notif for this, but yeah, I agree.
I'd like for them to have some impact, but I'm so used to having them on guns in media or IRL that I just stick em on.
I always have my squad run all suppressors so when I hear a gunshot I know whether the enemy or my team is shooting
very good content bro keep it up
Appreciate the kind words bro
Solid video, great explanation!
Glad you liked it!
I mean despite the AI not being that smart, you can't deny that they aren't incompetent. Also the detain increased radius thing is insane. That's probably why people get jumped from the most unexpected places.
I actually never equip suppressors in RoN. I don't know if my logic applies to the game, but my real world logic is that noise intimidation is too valuable to give up. Noise is a valuable tool for stunning and suppressing resistance. The SWAT officers all have ear pro on, the suspects typically do not. A lot of really loud, reverberating noises, especially in tight quarters in theory will help make suspects more compliant. You're overwhelming people with sound.
Suppressors make more sense for special operators trying to minimize giving their position away and for civilians who may not have the time or wherewithal to dawn ear pro when something goes bump in the night.
Suppressors make the least sense for cops because of the aforementioned sound reason and because under most circumstances cops are supposed to be advertising their presence to give suspects a chance to surrender and come quietly.
Sneak a door open a crack then push on it instead of opening fully from the start to keep from alerting ai
This felt somewhat the same in Swat 4 when they could hear you, though at times they would come to find out that actually was!
Actually this is realistic, because the silencer doesn't actually silence guns in combat. In real life, guns with silencer are still loud enough to be heard by enemies.
That was not really the point I was trying to get across. I think it is fine for enemies to hear silencers. The problem is that opening doors or arresting someone alerts people from further away than silenced shots.
It is completely irrelevant to use silencers when opening a door is going to do more noise, thus it is impossible to be "hidden"
It's also realistic for gunshots to be quieter than my yells for compliance.
A suppressed gun with subsonics is pretty much movie quiet, all you really hear is the rattle of the mechanism cycling. Maybe a puff of gas if the can isn't very large
Suppressors, imo, really help distinguish between friend and foe, as so far from what I've seen I've only ever seen players with suppressors, allowing me to easily identify and be identified as "in danger", essentially
Fair enough
the supressor looks cool on the gun which is why i use it B)
Drip matters
0:46 Yo that art is cute! Could you share a link to the art?
it is my own personal art for my "channel character"(gotta gave some personality in the channel I suppose).
I would be happy to send you the PNG if you message me on discord!
Suppressors might be useless, but there is no way in hell am I using the SLR47's stock muzzle
Oh yeah, you should still use it if it is the only thing available haha
It’s doing what it’s designed to do. Not give me a pulse pounding headache shooting a hot round from a short barreled rifle down a small hallway lol
I usually only pick suppressors because i am sensitive to loud noises... probably the wrong game for me to play because of that, but the game is so much fun😂
Fair enough!
suppressor is actually useful you can hear around you better incase you miss some of them and they walk in while you shooting
However you forgot: suppressors are tacticool as fuck
I need a grenade launcher suppressor
@@ryoukaherself IR laser too!
This was a amazing video! I have so many questions lol.
feel free to ask them, maybe I can help! :D
@RyoukaHerself How did you spawn Ai in HQ and it seems that you made it out of bounds too. Is their noclip?
@@777SFINN777 That was pretty much what I was gunna ask lol.
install this mod www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/716, open the console and type spawnrandomai (amount), teleport for teleport
@RyoukaHerself No kidding. I have this mod already but I could never find a console commands list anywhere and am unfamiliar with unreal engine in general so I didn't know where to start. Thanks alot man! You know your stuff.
really strange and sus how sound and triggers work
especially with apprehension and such (could be changed and make sense Mindjot security since much like my previous comment, a nice suggestion and detail is to have radios go off, so let's imagine a calm or alerted phase where they make status checks and security radioing everyone, so if you take down one lethally or not and if they don't respond, that's where they become suspicious or alerted and sending a member to check it out (similar to the MGS games when you almost avert the alarm phase but having one extra sentry coming in), and when you're in a gun fight they'd communicate such as relocating/retreating and so on (a little militaristic for a security force, but still) it'd certainly make them stand out like the Veterans and Terrorists since they'd be using different tactics than your average gangster with a Hi-Point pistol
plus if we had a secondary objective like having to confiscate something that contains hard evidence (like Voll or Brixley's CP stuff or messages), when security is fully alerted, they'd order one of their guys to take evidence we need with them (either keeping it or getting ready to escape much like the SWAT 4 subway level where if too many mobsters escape you lose), just an idea and this may not happen but still, pretty cool :)
Radio comms would be soooo amazing, but probably would also make the map so difficult you’d need more than only 5 guys to complete it lol
@@ryoukaherself agreed it'd be so awesome, same as for the veterans (since they're clearly experienced ex army/military guys, they should be tougher to face than your average crackhead with a civilian pistol and class 2 vest), though yeah maybe keep it as a exclusive mode (i heard they will remove modes that don't fit in with certain levels which is understandable)
the RoN devs need to see this video
They do watch my videos! Hopefully it helped them be able to make some good changes to the gameplay 🙏
@@ryoukaherself hopes up, the sooner the better but i'd prefer them to do it slow and proper than quick and sloppy
Find it funny the AI doesn't react to footstep sounds, that just doesn't really make sense to me.
anyway good info as always, keep the vids coming! 😎
it issss what it issss
Great video
Glad you enjoyed it
@@ryoukaherself have a lot of time in RON myself have an idea of suspect AI off camera but always good to actually see it for yourself
Wonder if this is still the case for 1.0
I know they majorly reworked AI and audio both.
Also, apparently having a suppressor on and firing isn't as intimidating to suspects when it comes to making them comply. Loud bang bang makes bad person scared.
I know for sure they can hear when you reload or check magazine (they immediate rush you and say "He's reloading!"). Also it seems they can hear SWAT footsteps through walls. Would love to see someone do a full 1.0 AI analysis.
yeah, I noticed that too, on gas station once. entered a room with a suspect having his back to me, and the guy did not notice walking up behind him until I yelled...and hope you get well soon.
But due to the lethal fights, I rather go in stealth anyway, opening doors and lockpicking, rather than breaching. That's also why I wondered when you should do breach/clear over open/clear, and which breaching method /kick, shotgun or explosives should be used when.
And, silly question, when giving the SWAT Al non lethal guns, is the R7 worth it? They fire it so slow. I wondered if giving them all beanbacks for nonlethal approaches is better
I don’t think the R7 is worth it for the AI. The times I tried it myself they didn’t do anything and died pretty fast every single time
@@ryoukaherself yeah, i saw they are way better with the beanback shotgun. Altough, apart from the now common issue the SWAT Al not following orders, I also got evidence clipping through the floor, unable to be retrieved...sucks
This was really helpful, but is it still a valid assessment?
This is still be up to date
Suppressor is more for shot identification so I know friend from foe
I wonder if the AI still works this exact way with the 1.0 release. Anyone could confirm?
Hopefully I can check this soon and make a video on it
How are you getting those "camera angles" like an invisible player mod or something?
Do you think in-game voice triggers enemies?
Nop, deleted the voice lines and still got the same result
Désolé si cela a été mentionné dans la vidéo et que je ne l'ai pas pris, mais le calibre affecte-t-il quelque chose ?
oui, plus c'est petit, plus c'est silencieux
D’accord, merci
Can you or the enemies bleed out?
Yup, you can bleed out if you don’t treat open wounds and enemies can bleed out if you shoot their arteries or shoot them enough times
@@ryoukaherself thx
Hear me out on 0:48
What is there?
@@ryoukaherself you cutie :3
suppressors arent useless theyre js realistic
The game has a lot of issues. In Hostage situation, every armed individual is considered enemy combatant, and shooting him would be textbook. Also, some missions you make police grunt work e.g. find the hidden drugs, etc. That is not the job of a rapid deployment team. Also, getting penalized for shooting someone with an ak and full body armor during a bomb threat because you didn't shout first "police" is detached from reality. Rapid deployment teams are only used in extreme situations and have different ROE. Instead, you behave like a traffic cop. The AI was better in a 15 year old game called Swat 3 cqb
I would suggest the developers pay a retired LAPD SWAT officer to explain things
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your pfp is cringe bro