Okay so older iPhones can’t run it on device but what about letting older iPhone use cloud feature this can be implemented on older devices because it’s in the cloud and it amazingly private apple says.
bingo. Yes no one has any answer to why you cant use Apple's private cloud for the AI stuffs plus the open AI integration is still calling on open Ai cloud servers.
It’s the on device one that decided where processing will happened. When you invoke Siri, the on device LLM is use to process your request. If it’s just simple command like sending message or skip the song it’ll done locally. But if you ask for more complex requests like “what’s the tallest building in the world and who’s the architecture of it” then the LLM will needs to interpret that and IF it’s in the LLM training data it’ll probably processed on device. If not it’ll make request to Apple Private cloud compute server
@@Fear.of.the.Dark. Because in order for the phone to understand whether the queries can be solved offline or online, it has to have the offline AI models. Which they can't have due to the lower powered NPU.
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The hardware requirement of these on-device models can be no joke. I do think that at least A14 and upwards could've been able to run these models, had they had 8GB of RAM (on the surface this tracks with all ASi MacBooks having 8GB of base RAM, although the baseline RAM usage of macOS and iOS aren't identical). I think I read somewhere that the on-device model (idk if that's the image model, text model, or in general) requires 4.3GB of RAM minimum, and that's what they achieved with cutting edge compression methods, and that's already 2/3 of the memory that the iPhone 14 Pro has, which would leave very little room for your other apps. Now maybe most of your apps being killed in the background would be a better experience than not getting the features and all, and in fact it might've just been an excuse for Apple to get more people to buy the latest and also highest-end models of iPhones, but I don't view the new generative AI features to be as gimmicky as you do. I think the text generation and e-mail/notification summarization features are handy, and image gen features are fun.
The problem is precisely that Apple has been starving their mobile devices in terms of RAM and this only changed with the M1 in the iPad pro in 2021 and in the air in 2022. iPhone only got 8GB now (while Android devices have had that for years and even double that) and probably only because of AI. Curious to see what they are going to do with the base iPad... I believe it's going to stay out of AI just like the 10...
Okay but why didn’t Apple equip their devices with more/ better specs in the first place? They certainly knew how much power their devices would need to rund these on-device models. They worked on this tech for a long time but still decided to underequip shortly released devices.
@@Dion27375 I don't think they had a clear plan of bundling all the feature together as Apple Intellingent when they established a couple of years ago what would go in the iPhone 15... Part of Apple Intelligent could run on A12, it's the bundle that can't
Looks like 8 GB RAM is only enough for the iOS and iPadOS devices because MacOS needs too much RAM for the OS itself. To run AI on MacOS you need at least 16 GB of RAM…
@@_DigitalguyI think they did limit RAM intentionally to forced dev to optimizes they fucking app. Some devs are just don’t care to do this on Android at all.
Lets say a particular feature genuinely needs an M1. An A14 is probably going to also be capable of doing it, and an A15 definitely will. That's the bit that doesn't make sense. Also, if you can do subject lift, you can do background removal, because computationally, it is exactly the same thing. Subject erase, yes that is a bit different, but a Tensor 2 can do that and it is way less capable hardware-wise than anything from Apple.
They don’t want another “Live Text” situation to happen. Live Text was introduced with iOS 15, the last major update iPhone 6s and 7 had. Although it came with iOS 15, Live Text was not available for all iPhones. It only came with iPhones equipped with a Bionic chip with a Neural engines. Except, not all Bionic chips with Neural Engine supported it either. Only the 2nd generation Neural Engine supported Live Text. That means iPhone 8 and X couldn’t run it despite being able to run iOS 15 on an A11 Bionic with Neural Engine. By that point, it became confusing how to track compatibility for individual features even if it can theoretically run on some old devices. To Apple, it’s simpler to just software-lock those features.
But the compatibility is just as messy now. How I am supposed to know if a 9th gen iPad supports SmartScript or not? It doesn’t qualify for Siri 2.0, but it does get the calculator app with MathNotes, and that’s ML-backed. It’s all vey opaque now.
@@TailosiveTech what basis do you even have for that statement? Frankly you’re speaking from a position of ignorance and assuming bad intent for no reason. I get that it’s your opinion, but that’s all. Your opinion, based on a position of ignorance.
@@Crs664could you explain to me how is he being ignorant ? he mentions a few of the features of apple intelligence that doesnt seem intensive in the video and i can see where hes coming, that glow-around-screen thing was done in 2015 already with the S6 Edge and more, type to Siri isnt even a new thing and im pretty sure that whole context thing has been on with Google Assistant and Bixby before. Just asking though, not in the mood for an argument
@@dominickskinner407 he’s saying the features we’re getting with Apple Intelligence aren’t complex enough to likely be so resource intensive that they need capability that ONLY the iPhone 15 Pro’s chip can offer on the iPhone side at this point. And that… makes sense. Double tap type to Siri… that doesn’t require any AI. In fact, it probably requires even less AI than the default of speaking, since the device probably has to translate your speech to text anyways. Other things like Genmoji and the generative photos things make slightly more sense, but if it was all done on the cloud, it would make none. So give users the option to run it on the cloud if they have older devices. It’s very likely that no feature is drastic enough to require a chip that ONLY came out less than a year ago.
To be fair, it was announced at WWDC (world wide *developer* conference), so I think it makes sense that they talk more about what’s in the background. If anything, they should be even more technical IMO.
If I remember correctly, notice Apple didn’t say anything about generative AI or access in the Notes app. Seems like that app would get lots of AI support.
@@Crs664 well, you used to be able to open Siri, tap on the screen and bring up typing. You’re now forced to use typing when you hold the side button if you enable type to Siri. If you want to speak to Siri with type to Siri enabled you have to say hey siri instead of holding the side button.
@@natbarmore Inability to change system files, inability to eject drives to avoid data corruption, no file transfer speed, larger file transfers often fail. But hey at least you can finally format an SD card on an iPad with iPadOS 18!
I’m thinking the restriction is more about how much RAM the phone has instead of that actual chip but I guess we’ll see when the iPhone 16 comes out cause it has the same amount of ram as the 15 base (6GB) instead of the 15 pro(8GB) cause the new androids have 8GB of RAM
@@TailosiveTech my guess is Apple doesnt want to segment out features. Either you HAVE Apple Intelligence ( God I hate the Name) or you don‘t. Its Stupid I know, but thats probably their thinking… They COULD have put 8 gigs of ram into their phones for YEARS! but they just didn‘t… Tim Cook is probably ALREADY having wet dreams about the Iphone 16 sales.
@@lolfreakwaca4328just call it AI then. Stop contributing to the problem. Remember when Apple actually tried to correct the consumers to call X as 10 and the consumer said “F off, we’ll call it what we want!” Yeah, the same applies here. The less people call it what Apple wants the consumer to call it, the less relevance the name has.
@@lolfreakwaca4328there was never really a point until now. Extra ram == extra power draw which is how iPhones get away with small batteries and almost never get hot to the touch while still giving best in class battery life. iOS and its app ecosystem is so much better optimized, extra ram was not needed until LLMs blew up and require loads of ram…
What is crazy to me is that some of the features that they announced already existed on the device. The Siri stuff, already is something that you can do, the reader view is something that already existed (which already existed took away most to all ads), and some other features that are just being repackaged. It feels the same way with Haptic Touch being a rebranded assistive touch that all Apple Watches have. And just like the hover feature on apple pencils. Getting a little tired of th software locking too
Am I wrong in thinking that Apple Intelligence is something that Siri uses as a tool to do certain things but things like the visual changes and being able to type to Siri and other minor improvements are still coming to older devices???
It’s not the A16 that’s preventing iPhone 15’s from using AI. It’s the lack of 8GB RAM. Apple never publishes how much RAM is in their iPhones. Just check out their Tech Specs and you’ll not see RAM. The iPhone 15 has only 6GB of RAM, which is the actual limitation, not the neural engine. If it were about software locking, they’d have limited iPads and Macs to M3’s or better since the A17 Pro has the same neural engine as the M3. All M1 devices have 8GB of RAM or more.
3:51 what is Apple already cloud-processing instead of on-device? I thought the explanation for why Siri is so bad was precisely that Apple was keeping all the data on-device and thus not having access to the same computing power or building up the same caliber of LLM as the others?
The entire time they were introducing it at the keynote I was thinking “I don’t want this”😭😐 is there a way to “opt out” of it? Or where we can only enhance Siri?
I don’t think Apple Intelligence is a software restriction. I feel like it’s more hardware-based. My reason being all the devices with Apple Intelligence at least have 8 GB of RAM whereas the regular 15 and earlier only have 6 GB or less despite having the same number of 16 neural core processors. The extra RAM is probably needed for storing Siri’s contextual data.
Wait, so 6gb ios ram is not equivalent to 12gb of android ram??😂 for years we were told by the apple cult that apple's ram is worth twice or thrice of the competition.
@@TailosiveTech Individual features don't, but they bundled them together for marketing / shareholder purposes and the language model alon requires more than 4GB RAM so 6GB is not enough
Where the fuck is everybody getting this information that types to Siri is locked to Apple intelligence? I have not seen anything from Apple that indicates this, but everyone is just assuming it for no reason it seems. I would like to see some sort of substantiation for this.
I hope this Apple intelligence is like stage manager on the iPad, initially stage manager was exclusive to the m1 iPad or later, but then later on they added it to all the iPads. I just hope the iPhone 13 series get apple intelligence soon.
What bothers me the most is that Apple did not upgrade the RAM early on like most Android phones. I do agree that typing to Siri does not require AI for it to work. This was already possible with Google Assistant and Bixby.
@@Southeastern_Thrills if they did this, how would the pro iPhones be any different than the regular ones? Why should you not have to pay extra for a better device? I don’t understand how we got to a place where people feel entitled to everything for a discount. This isn’t how ANYTHING works.
@@Crs664The eternal Apple sheep. Pro models would still have promotion, USB 3.2, action button, faster processor, better cameras, more cameras, titanium frame. Imagine how profoundly stupid you have to be to call people “entitled” for wanting the same features for their money that they worked for (something you would never understand) that Apple’s competitors have offered for years. Disgusting corporate bootlicker.
My only gripe with it is the chip restrictions. Not supporting the A16 while supporting the M1 is B.S. when you consider the fact that the A16 has more neural processing power than the M1. Even if the chip was too weak to do some of the tasks on divice they should just use the cloud like the devices that are supported. Hopefully enough people complain that they reverse course like they did with stage manager for the iPad.
I think it might be a Ram issue, A16 has 6 gigabytes of ram we’re as the A17 pro comes with 8 gigabytes of ram. I do think that if enough people complain though, just like stage manager, this might get brought to other devices.
Get with the program. Memory has always been the bottleneck for LLM. You’ve been brainwashed by marketing into thinking it’s cutting edge technology, but it’s not. People have known how to write LLM’s for many years. It’s actually not that hard from a coding perspective. It’s just very memory intensive
Other sources have said that it needs at least 8GB RAM, which can only be found in these devices. Hopefully even the non-pro version of iPhone 16 gets that amount of memory then 😅
Can you already talk to Siri because in settings I’ve seen it say type to Siri in the accessibility section? I think they could’ve at least given us some of the features. I have them on the web and say these devices only do web version.
iPhone 12s and later still have a 16 core neural engine, I would have to wonder if that's improved at all. The only thing I'd imagine would be the RAM, and maybe the CPU. But I'd still want it to do the same things even if it took a little longer. I could understand some things being incompatible if they require more memory, but it'd be nice to have some of it, if I can't have all. Pieces of the features would make sense, but it's disappointing to get almost nothing to utilize the neural engine that my phone already has. I'll have to see when it's released if it's actually worth an upgrade. Other problem though is that it's only going to be a beta upon the full release of iOS 18, so my 13 Pro will probably last another year.
It is also probably because the memory requirement is 8GB so only those chips satisfy that. Gen AI features generally need a lot of memory to load in the models.
I do agree with you point that is Apple software locking Apple Intelligence. They could have opted to enable certain queries to be on-device on later models and use the Private Cloud Compute to enable older devices to have the same feature, albeit (much) slower. What I don't get is the "Type to Siri" point . It has been an accessibility feature for years at this point (if I'm not mistaken) and can be enabled on phones like the iPhone XS. It is disappointing that Siri will likely not get any smarter on older phones, but saying that "Type to Siri" isn't available to older phones, even though it already is (even on iPadOS and macOS) is an oversight.
Apparently the on-device LLM needs a bunch of memory to run, and it's all got to be in memory at once. 8 GB seems to be the lower limit which is why iPhones prior to the 15 Pro are excluded. M1's NPU is slower than the A16 Bionic's NPU, but the 'M' class SoCs have at least 8 GB RAM. I expect iPhone 16 (non-pro) will have the requisite amount of RAM so it'll run Apple Intelligence. You can type to Siri and have been able to do that since iOS 11 - go to Accessibility and there should be a Siri entry allowing you to toggle Type to Siri on. This should sell a crapton of iPhone and iPad upgrades though …
Drew, they had to go through all of that crap because every company that doesn't ends up getting destroyed by public perception of security and privacy deficiencies. It's a feature, not a bug. Literally Apple being good stewards. As to feature intensity, I disagree. There is a difference between hitting an ancient set of neural cores for computational photography and hitting new much more powerful ones for larger purposes. It's not at all pure software locking. Tilting at windmills.
I wonder if having a thread radio is a secret requirement for Apple Intelligence. Every “AI” device Apple has announced has a thread radio, and in some cases, it’s a secret radio not announced yet (but we found it in FCC documents). Why? So the HomePod can eventually get personal context from your devices in your home.
I’m excited for it 👌🏻 but it’s so bad that it’s only on the pro :/ most of my friends are left out. 1 friend of mine just bought a iPhone 15 2 month ago and feels already outdated because of this bullshit
I have no clue what those Apple AI features may mean for my daily work. Maybe I will be surprised when it appears or maybe I will never will use it? Now it's not even available in the beta so it cb be rated or ranted. Today I want to get the files app to get much better on iOS and iPadOS and I want to get rid of all that crap like split screen and those widgets and some other stuff. I hate the home screen go to edit mode on long click because I set it up only once after buying the device. I hate that automatic cut out function when I click on an image because it accidentally happens while browsing my photos. There are so many features that I want to go away but it's not possible to deactivate them properly.
Respectful Message for Drew/Tailosive: If you go in settings, then accessibility, and finally Siri, you can enable Type-to-Siri (has been around for years). Love your content; keep up the genuine work, bro! I think they mean you can type to the Apple AI. While your points are overall valid, I just wanted to respectfully bring the typing thing up. Think of it like this, Apple could have added some features to older iPhones (which as a tech guru would love) but the average consumer would be confused because a plethora of features are only available on the 12 Pro (for A AI) but some only on 14 Pro or later and this can be confusing a general (excluding the 10% tech people) audience. I understand and support where you are coming from. These are my thoughts. Sorry for the paragraph.
For Apple calling This “AI for the rest of us” this isn’t true. Not everyone has an iPhone 15 Pro/16/16 Pro. And I understand the memory bottlenecks. I feel Apple missed the mark limiting this to the newest high end.
Ai for the rest of us references the line “a computer for the rest of us” the Mac in 1984 when that was a slogan cost the equivalent of 7300 dollars in todays money. They are talking about ease of use.
I actually like limiting to newer devices. I want a better experience even if that means waiting till I have new hardware. I hate when companies make mediocre software experiences to accommodate older hardware... this has been happening in gaming for years.
Makes me wonder if some of that is RAM intensive. All the M series Macs have at least 8GB of RAM where most of the phones that are supported in iOS 18 have less than 6GB. But there is still the slumping sales of the past few years that they have to contend with.
Why not do what I do? If I have to write something that's lengthy, I just use speech to text therefore I speak and it writes it for me. If I want to be sure that there are no mistakes then I have text to speech read it for me, then all I need to do is copy and paste it like I'm doing with this right now. It's faster than typing. I have hated typing for years now. Any of you can do what I do! You don't need AI to help you with anything. Just like you don't need Alexa to turn off the light in your bedroom at night time before you go to sleep. Just get a Clapper for that, and it's cheaper, just under $20. Also you can use a regular timer that doesn't have Siri or AI . One great thing about using speech to text is that because you have to speak properly so that it understands you (so there are no mistakes) your speech continues to improve greatly for when you're around people talking to them.
IMO memory with iPhones is planned obsolescence, it’s so cheap, and at least for me, an iPhone with 4gb or less is borderline unusable. Like the iPhone 13 chip is more than fast enough, but have fun with apps reloading constantly. Hopefully iPhone 16 has 8gb and 16 Pro has 12gb
Bixby (even though most hate its existence) has been able to do all that from version 1. If you want more voice control from your phone, you can use Voice Access from Google found under the accessibility settings. And Galaxy AI wasn't even a thing when Bixby first came out in the first place!
I swear you used to be able to type to Siri but then apple removed the feature. Why did apple get rid of full screen Siri? It was better when it was full screen. Also why does Siri constantly listen to you now whereas before Siri only listened when you tapped the Siri icon?
@@Crs664 Than you. I have found out how you type to Siri. Is there still a way ton make it so that Siri only listens when you tap on the Siri icon? I know it doesn't really matter but I always preferred it that way.
actually, i prefer the solution where its all on-device, and limited to newer chips that can do that, than everything in a cloud. im saying this as an owner of an iphone Xs lol
Bro, it’s always the same thing with you. “These features are lame and useless, but also I’m pissed that the older models don’t get it.” Jesus Christ pick a lane.
I said some features are useful and handy, but not technically advanced therefore shouldn’t be locked to the Pros Other features that are more generative are cringey and weird
@@TailosiveTech in what world is a large language model running almost entirely on device not technically advanced? When I told my android fanboy roommate about this his jaw dropped and I personally know 3 people who are gonna switch to iPhone for these features. The thing that annoys me about you lately is that you used to be able to see the big picture and would often be the voice of reason when people were needlessly criticizing surface level bullshit. It seems like you’ve lost the plot and just join the chorus of idiots complaining to complain.
the fact that apple excludes the intel mac pro with graphics cards that are able to do the exact same calculations faster than the neural engines on a phone is able to tells you everything you need to know.
Tim, I don't own any Apple products but enjoy your videos because I like knowing what's happening on the other side. I agree with you. I think it's outrageous Apple is only releasing the AI features on the 15 pro models and above. I get there's a RAM requirement for certain AI features but the fact Apple isn't releasing some on older iPhones including a few that are still being sold seems like a money making scheme. The magic eraser feature is available on the previous three generations of the Pixel. Same with circle to search.
I agree that Apple might have software locked Apple Intelligence maliciously, but I think that since they had to shove a bunch of new quality of life updates together, in order to please investors, it required more compute power and RAM. Either way, we will see how it works when it comes out.
I'm upset that this is going to represent a stark shifting of Apple's focus towards increasing the gimmicks of apple intelligence to sell it more, over actual software updates, optimizations, and support of all iPhones. Like I don't even know what phone to buy anymore cause apple intelligence seems pretty cool, but I want to purchase a 14 pro max since it'll be considerably cheaper upon the iPhone 16's full release, and still have the modern look. I just don't want to think I'm getting something that is practically obsolete even though it still feels like it just came out yesterday. 😞😞
Apple Vision Pro isn’t getting Apple Intelligence either (probably because the neural engine is heavily used for the XR features. It’s clear that they want a certain level of on-device performance available for it to work.
I think the implementing “Apple Intelligence” only in 15Pro is to future proof . Model will be get complex and large over time . They don’t want to implement old models and get cancelled 1 year later
Nah, it’s just a RAM limitation. Their LLM takes up too much RAM to run on 6GB iPhones. That’s why M1 Macs and iPads are supported even though they have much older neural engines. They all have 8GB or more.
We just going have to wait and see. Im curious to how the 15 pro series will keep up in the coming years since its going to be the oldest iphone capable
Just as I was mad at the end of the presentation!!! I bought an iPhone 14 Pro and is not even a two years old smartphone and it’ll be out of the equation by Apple!!! I think I’ll be considering to change to a Galaxy in 2 or three years from now if Apple keep that bullshit!!!
Yea I bought a iPhone 15, couldn’t afford the others. We are always locked out of everything so nothing changes at Apple. Either you pay for the higher models and get it or buy what you can afford and get the crumbs 😢
I feel like so many ppl I’ve seen have glossed over the fact that this is only available for the iPhone 15 pro models. I don’t even think the public actually knows that the majority of them won’t be able to access these features. I think when this happens Apple will receive backlash and depending if people upgrade or not for these features, might prevent them from software locking again?? That’s just what I think
I think for some the improvements will be great but for the majority of people I don’t think actually care, it’s like google assistant it’s mostly used for basic things and isn’t taken advantage of.
I have 15 pro max. The AI thing is cool but I rather not update to iOS 18 so I will wait til bugs and fixes are improve . I got a feeling that it’s gonna a be lot of bugs lol
the fact that m1 macs can run ai leads me to believe its not a neural. core issue, but a ram issue. LLMs are massive and they need tons of ram. and for why they didn't allow the siri border and stuff is because i think it would confuse a lot of people, as thats a part of ai siri, which has to be locked due to hardware issues.
for one just dismissing the accessibility of building writing tool into OS level features is laughable. that basically kills popular services like grammarly. “people i know are particular about phrasing”. do you personally know 2billion non native English speakers who have to use it professionally?
Yeah, I’m with you on this. I enjoy my Apple products but the fact that I won’t be able to access Apple Intelligence on my 15 Plus annoys me. It’ll be fine on my M2 iPad Pro and M1 MacBook Air but I don’t walk around with those devices inside or outside so having it on a non-Pro phone would be nice. Let’s see, so the Pro and Pro Max 15’s have the A17 Pro chip with 6 cores CPU’s and 6 GPU’s with 16-core neural engines. The regular 15 and 15+ have the A16 Bionic chip with the same specs except for *one* less GPU core. That’s it! One less GPU core. Both regular 15’s get 6gb of RAM and the Pros can get 6gb or 8gb, so RAM is not an issue since the regular Pro has 6gb like the non-Pros. Sooooo, does one less GPU core decide the fate of the non-Pro versions not getting Apple Intelligence? Hardly! I usually let most things slide with Apple but not offering “A.I.” on the lesser models makes no sense. 🫤 It should work on devices going back to the iPhone 12. At this point, the smartest thing Apple can do is to offer it to most models, even if they offer it after its initial release.
Remember is not just the number of cores. The A16 is a chip from 2022, before ChatGPT was even out, the A17pro is the one from 2023. The A17pro is the first chip using 3nm technology, so each core is a lot faster than the A16 ones. Reviewers didn’t complain than the A17pro model was getting AAA games like Resident Evil and Assassin Creed and the A16 devices weren’t getting those… it’s not like those games require the extra neural core. It was about the overall speed of the processor.
Similar restriction with Math Notes requiring an M1 chip, which means iPad Mini users can't use this feature as Apple doesn't even make an M1 version of the Mini.
God the 'good morning' gets me every time 😂
Im hoping one day the two of them meet and just go 'good morning' back and forth 🤣
@@casadev24 hahaha
Okay so older iPhones can’t run it on device but what about letting older iPhone use cloud feature this can be implemented on older devices because it’s in the cloud and it amazingly private apple says.
bingo. Yes no one has any answer to why you cant use Apple's private cloud for the AI stuffs plus the open AI integration is still calling on open Ai cloud servers.
It’ll eventually come to older hardware when not enough people buy their new hardware
It’s the on device one that decided where processing will happened. When you invoke Siri, the on device LLM is use to process your request. If it’s just simple command like sending message or skip the song it’ll done locally. But if you ask for more complex requests like “what’s the tallest building in the world and who’s the architecture of it” then the LLM will needs to interpret that and IF it’s in the LLM training data it’ll probably processed on device. If not it’ll make request to Apple Private cloud compute server
A small and poor company like Apple cannot afford to run a huge AI model on their servers for people for free
@@Fear.of.the.Dark.
Because in order for the phone to understand whether the queries can be solved offline or online, it has to have the offline AI models. Which they can't have due to the lower powered NPU.
Absolutely agree! I think we have another „iPad can’t run stage manager“ situation here. As it turns out non pro iPhones are the budget iPhones now.
you are wrong.
You can already type to Siri. Just configure it either as a shortcut or an accessibility feature. It’s quite handy
Apparently you need a large language model to double tap the home button for it
Too complicated because it's too specific. I activated Siri just to be able to use the dictation feature.
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In the world of TH-cam, he left a spark!
The hardware requirement of these on-device models can be no joke. I do think that at least A14 and upwards could've been able to run these models, had they had 8GB of RAM (on the surface this tracks with all ASi MacBooks having 8GB of base RAM, although the baseline RAM usage of macOS and iOS aren't identical). I think I read somewhere that the on-device model (idk if that's the image model, text model, or in general) requires 4.3GB of RAM minimum, and that's what they achieved with cutting edge compression methods, and that's already 2/3 of the memory that the iPhone 14 Pro has, which would leave very little room for your other apps. Now maybe most of your apps being killed in the background would be a better experience than not getting the features and all, and in fact it might've just been an excuse for Apple to get more people to buy the latest and also highest-end models of iPhones, but I don't view the new generative AI features to be as gimmicky as you do. I think the text generation and e-mail/notification summarization features are handy, and image gen features are fun.
The problem is precisely that Apple has been starving their mobile devices in terms of RAM and this only changed with the M1 in the iPad pro in 2021 and in the air in 2022. iPhone only got 8GB now (while Android devices have had that for years and even double that) and probably only because of AI. Curious to see what they are going to do with the base iPad... I believe it's going to stay out of AI just like the 10...
Okay but why didn’t Apple equip their devices with more/ better specs in the first place? They certainly knew how much power their devices would need to rund these on-device models. They worked on this tech for a long time but still decided to underequip shortly released devices.
@@Dion27375 I don't think they had a clear plan of bundling all the feature together as Apple Intellingent when they established a couple of years ago what would go in the iPhone 15... Part of Apple Intelligent could run on A12, it's the bundle that can't
Looks like 8 GB RAM is only enough for the iOS and iPadOS devices because MacOS needs too much RAM for the OS itself. To run AI on MacOS you need at least 16 GB of RAM…
@@_DigitalguyI think they did limit RAM intentionally to forced dev to optimizes they fucking app. Some devs are just don’t care to do this on Android at all.
Lets say a particular feature genuinely needs an M1. An A14 is probably going to also be capable of doing it, and an A15 definitely will. That's the bit that doesn't make sense.
Also, if you can do subject lift, you can do background removal, because computationally, it is exactly the same thing. Subject erase, yes that is a bit different, but a Tensor 2 can do that and it is way less capable hardware-wise than anything from Apple.
Could it be the RAM in the older phones? Lesser of it, slower speed?
They don’t want another “Live Text” situation to happen. Live Text was introduced with iOS 15, the last major update iPhone 6s and 7 had. Although it came with iOS 15, Live Text was not available for all iPhones. It only came with iPhones equipped with a Bionic chip with a Neural engines. Except, not all Bionic chips with Neural Engine supported it either. Only the 2nd generation Neural Engine supported Live Text. That means iPhone 8 and X couldn’t run it despite being able to run iOS 15 on an A11 Bionic with Neural Engine. By that point, it became confusing how to track compatibility for individual features even if it can theoretically run on some old devices. To Apple, it’s simpler to just software-lock those features.
But the compatibility is just as messy now. How I am supposed to know if a 9th gen iPad supports SmartScript or not? It doesn’t qualify for Siri 2.0, but it does get the calculator app with MathNotes, and that’s ML-backed. It’s all vey opaque now.
@@illhaveawtrplz everything announced before the Apple Intelligence part are fair game for supported devices, assuming.
Isn't ram the biggest limiter not the processor with AI? Seems like 8gb of ram is the baseline in order to run Apple Intelligence
My point is Apple intelligence includes things that aren’t that intense to justify software locking
@@TailosiveTech what basis do you even have for that statement? Frankly you’re speaking from a position of ignorance and assuming bad intent for no reason. I get that it’s your opinion, but that’s all. Your opinion, based on a position of ignorance.
@@Crs664could you explain to me how is he being ignorant ? he mentions a few of the features of apple intelligence that doesnt seem intensive in the video and i can see where hes coming, that glow-around-screen thing was done in 2015 already with the S6 Edge and more, type to Siri isnt even a new thing and im pretty sure that whole context thing has been on with Google Assistant and Bixby before. Just asking though, not in the mood for an argument
@@TailosiveTech things?
Are you even trying to respond?
@@dominickskinner407 he’s saying the features we’re getting with Apple Intelligence aren’t complex enough to likely be so resource intensive that they need capability that ONLY the iPhone 15 Pro’s chip can offer on the iPhone side at this point.
And that… makes sense. Double tap type to Siri… that doesn’t require any AI. In fact, it probably requires even less AI than the default of speaking, since the device probably has to translate your speech to text anyways.
Other things like Genmoji and the generative photos things make slightly more sense, but if it was all done on the cloud, it would make none. So give users the option to run it on the cloud if they have older devices.
It’s very likely that no feature is drastic enough to require a chip that ONLY came out less than a year ago.
To be fair, it was announced at WWDC (world wide *developer* conference), so I think it makes sense that they talk more about what’s in the background. If anything, they should be even more technical IMO.
If I remember correctly, notice Apple didn’t say anything about generative AI or access in the Notes app. Seems like that app would get lots of AI support.
What are you on about not being able to type to Siri? It is in the accessibility section of the settings on IOS 18 beta on my iPhone 15.
Ram is the only limitation I can think of is what’s holding Apple intelligence back on “older” iPhones
8 gb ram is fine for phones but if phone go up to 16 gb then that’s like gaming
Reminder that we used to be able to type to Siri but they made it worse so they could bring it back
How did they make it worse? Genuinely curious. I know the feature still exists cause I just checked.
@@Crs664 well, you used to be able to open Siri, tap on the screen and bring up typing. You’re now forced to use typing when you hold the side button if you enable type to Siri. If you want to speak to Siri with type to Siri enabled you have to say hey siri instead of holding the side button.
I used it all the time on my xs to “Shazam“ songs but on my 15 it doesn’t work
I just wanted a files app that actually works… I could not care less about chat gpt integration
What limitations or bugs are you running into with the Files app? iOS or iPadOS?
@@natbarmore Inability to change system files, inability to eject drives to avoid data corruption, no file transfer speed, larger file transfers often fail. But hey at least you can finally format an SD card on an iPad with iPadOS 18!
I’m thinking the restriction is more about how much RAM the phone has instead of that actual chip but I guess we’ll see when the iPhone 16 comes out cause it has the same amount of ram as the 15 base (6GB) instead of the 15 pro(8GB) cause the new androids have 8GB of RAM
Most rumors are saying the 16 non-Pro will have 8GB RAM.
You shouldn’t require 8GB of RAM to type to Siri or have her understand context
@@TailosiveTech my guess is Apple doesnt want to segment out features. Either you HAVE Apple Intelligence ( God I hate the Name) or you don‘t. Its Stupid I know, but thats probably their thinking…
They COULD have put 8 gigs of ram into their phones for YEARS!
but they just didn‘t…
Tim Cook is probably ALREADY having wet dreams about the Iphone 16 sales.
@@lolfreakwaca4328just call it AI then. Stop contributing to the problem. Remember when Apple actually tried to correct the consumers to call X as 10 and the consumer said “F off, we’ll call it what we want!” Yeah, the same applies here. The less people call it what Apple wants the consumer to call it, the less relevance the name has.
@@lolfreakwaca4328there was never really a point until now. Extra ram == extra power draw which is how iPhones get away with small batteries and almost never get hot to the touch while still giving best in class battery life. iOS and its app ecosystem is so much better optimized, extra ram was not needed until LLMs blew up and require loads of ram…
What is crazy to me is that some of the features that they announced already existed on the device. The Siri stuff, already is something that you can do, the reader view is something that already existed (which already existed took away most to all ads), and some other features that are just being repackaged. It feels the same way with Haptic Touch being a rebranded assistive touch that all Apple Watches have. And just like the hover feature on apple pencils. Getting a little tired of th software locking too
Am I wrong in thinking that Apple Intelligence is something that Siri uses as a tool to do certain things but things like the visual changes and being able to type to Siri and other minor improvements are still coming to older devices???
Yes, i completely agree with you. Its nothing ground breaking, its just Apple catching up with modern times.
I love how Tim’s greeting has just devolved into an incoherent “GUUUD MORDONG!!”
It’s not the A16 that’s preventing iPhone 15’s from using AI. It’s the lack of 8GB RAM. Apple never publishes how much RAM is in their iPhones. Just check out their Tech Specs and you’ll not see RAM. The iPhone 15 has only 6GB of RAM, which is the actual limitation, not the neural engine. If it were about software locking, they’d have limited iPads and Macs to M3’s or better since the A17 Pro has the same neural engine as the M3. All M1 devices have 8GB of RAM or more.
That makes sense, but I’m also an idiot, so idk what that says about your theory.
My 13PM won’t get it but my iPad M1 will 👏
I’m in the same boat as you
3:51 what is Apple already cloud-processing instead of on-device? I thought the explanation for why Siri is so bad was precisely that Apple was keeping all the data on-device and thus not having access to the same computing power or building up the same caliber of LLM as the others?
Wasn’t typing directly to Siri available with like iOS 6?
The entire time they were introducing it at the keynote I was thinking “I don’t want this”😭😐 is there a way to “opt out” of it? Or where we can only enhance Siri?
I don’t think Apple Intelligence is a software restriction. I feel like it’s more hardware-based. My reason being all the devices with Apple Intelligence at least have 8 GB of RAM whereas the regular 15 and earlier only have 6 GB or less despite having the same number of 16 neural core processors. The extra RAM is probably needed for storing Siri’s contextual data.
We’ve seen bots understand context before. It definitely doesn’t require 8Gb of ram
And here I thought 4GB of ios ram is like 12gb on android. Well, I guess that was wrong.
@@my_call lol good one. I think they will soon say 8gb is not enough and will make all current macbooks with 8gb ram obsolete next year.
Wait, so 6gb ios ram is not equivalent to 12gb of android ram??😂 for years we were told by the apple cult that apple's ram is worth twice or thrice of the competition.
@@TailosiveTech Individual features don't, but they bundled them together for marketing / shareholder purposes and the language model alon requires more than 4GB RAM so 6GB is not enough
As a computer power user across the board who massively cares about privacy, seeing them talk so much about the tech and privacy was important to me.
3:38 You can type to Siri via iOS 11 and later with an Accessibility feature, so it isn’t even special. I think that Apple is otherwise being genuine.
Where the fuck is everybody getting this information that types to Siri is locked to Apple intelligence? I have not seen anything from Apple that indicates this, but everyone is just assuming it for no reason it seems. I would like to see some sort of substantiation for this.
@@Crs664 So do I!
Every year apple brag about there chips yet none of the chips can’t do basic stuff… Apple intelligence should be able to run on iPhone 12 and up
I hope this Apple intelligence is like stage manager on the iPad, initially stage manager was exclusive to the m1 iPad or later, but then later on they added it to all the iPads. I just hope the iPhone 13 series get apple intelligence soon.
I am always impressed how easy and fast you get interview appointments with Tim Cook 🙃. Thanks a lot and keep on the good work!
What bothers me the most is that Apple did not upgrade the RAM early on like most Android phones. I do agree that typing to Siri does not require AI for it to work. This was already possible with Google Assistant and Bixby.
If they had all iPhones ship with 8 GB of RAM, this wouldn't be a problem.
@@Southeastern_ThrillsExactly.
@@Southeastern_Thrills if they did this, how would the pro iPhones be any different than the regular ones? Why should you not have to pay extra for a better device? I don’t understand how we got to a place where people feel entitled to everything for a discount. This isn’t how ANYTHING works.
@@Crs664 Apple can upsell you on the "Pro" device by actually adding more cool and unique hardware features that's not SOC.
@@Crs664The eternal Apple sheep. Pro models would still have promotion, USB 3.2, action button, faster processor, better cameras, more cameras, titanium frame. Imagine how profoundly stupid you have to be to call people “entitled” for wanting the same features for their money that they worked for (something you would never understand) that Apple’s competitors have offered for years. Disgusting corporate bootlicker.
My only gripe with it is the chip restrictions. Not supporting the A16 while supporting the M1 is B.S. when you consider the fact that the A16 has more neural processing power than the M1. Even if the chip was too weak to do some of the tasks on divice they should just use the cloud like the devices that are supported. Hopefully enough people complain that they reverse course like they did with stage manager for the iPad.
The computing power isn’t the limiting factor, it’s the memory.
I think it might be a Ram issue, A16 has 6 gigabytes of ram we’re as the A17 pro comes with 8 gigabytes of ram. I do think that if enough people complain though, just like stage manager, this might get brought to other devices.
Get with the program. Memory has always been the bottleneck for LLM. You’ve been brainwashed by marketing into thinking it’s cutting edge technology, but it’s not. People have known how to write LLM’s for many years. It’s actually not that hard from a coding perspective. It’s just very memory intensive
Other sources have said that it needs at least 8GB RAM, which can only be found in these devices. Hopefully even the non-pro version of iPhone 16 gets that amount of memory then 😅
@@Crs664 who told apple to release 6gb ram iphone 15 plus at $900+?
Can you already talk to Siri because in settings I’ve seen it say type to Siri in the accessibility section? I think they could’ve at least given us some of the features. I have them on the web and say these devices only do web version.
iPhone 12s and later still have a 16 core neural engine, I would have to wonder if that's improved at all. The only thing I'd imagine would be the RAM, and maybe the CPU. But I'd still want it to do the same things even if it took a little longer. I could understand some things being incompatible if they require more memory, but it'd be nice to have some of it, if I can't have all. Pieces of the features would make sense, but it's disappointing to get almost nothing to utilize the neural engine that my phone already has. I'll have to see when it's released if it's actually worth an upgrade. Other problem though is that it's only going to be a beta upon the full release of iOS 18, so my 13 Pro will probably last another year.
It is also probably because the memory requirement is 8GB so only those chips satisfy that. Gen AI features generally need a lot of memory to load in the models.
I do agree with you point that is Apple software locking Apple Intelligence. They could have opted to enable certain queries to be on-device on later models and use the Private Cloud Compute to enable older devices to have the same feature, albeit (much) slower.
What I don't get is the "Type to Siri" point . It has been an accessibility feature for years at this point (if I'm not mistaken) and can be enabled on phones like the iPhone XS. It is disappointing that Siri will likely not get any smarter on older phones, but saying that "Type to Siri" isn't available to older phones, even though it already is (even on iPadOS and macOS) is an oversight.
Love both your content and personslity, you are completely right, and not a isheep, keep it up bro🔥
Apparently the on-device LLM needs a bunch of memory to run, and it's all got to be in memory at once.
8 GB seems to be the lower limit which is why iPhones prior to the 15 Pro are excluded.
M1's NPU is slower than the A16 Bionic's NPU, but the 'M' class SoCs have at least 8 GB RAM.
I expect iPhone 16 (non-pro) will have the requisite amount of RAM so it'll run Apple Intelligence.
You can type to Siri and have been able to do that since iOS 11 - go to Accessibility and there should be a Siri entry allowing you to toggle Type to Siri on.
This should sell a crapton of iPhone and iPad upgrades though …
What if, Apple Intelligence is cloud based (paid even, Apple One maybe) for the rest of the iOS 18 compatible devices?
Love the Tim Cook impersonations!! 😂 keep em coming!!!!
The restriction most likely has to do with the ram, not the chip. Ben Thompson says model uses around 2-3gb of ram.
lol, so it would run just fine on iphones with 6gb ram😊
Drew, they had to go through all of that crap because every company that doesn't ends up getting destroyed by public perception of security and privacy deficiencies. It's a feature, not a bug. Literally Apple being good stewards.
As to feature intensity, I disagree. There is a difference between hitting an ancient set of neural cores for computational photography and hitting new much more powerful ones for larger purposes. It's not at all pure software locking. Tilting at windmills.
What do you mean texting Siri had never been a thing until now... Screams in Android
Cook can't depart Cupertino fast enough…
your skits are enjoyable.
I wonder if having a thread radio is a secret requirement for Apple Intelligence. Every “AI” device Apple has announced has a thread radio, and in some cases, it’s a secret radio not announced yet (but we found it in FCC documents).
Why? So the HomePod can eventually get personal context from your devices in your home.
I’m excited for it 👌🏻 but it’s so bad that it’s only on the pro :/ most of my friends are left out. 1 friend of mine just bought a iPhone 15 2 month ago and feels already outdated because of this bullshit
I dunno
Didn’t Google do the same thing?
I’m on iOS 17.4 and I can type to Siri why everyone thinks this is a new feature?
I have no clue what those Apple AI features may mean for my daily work. Maybe I will be surprised when it appears or maybe I will never will use it? Now it's not even available in the beta so it cb be rated or ranted. Today I want to get the files app to get much better on iOS and iPadOS and I want to get rid of all that crap like split screen and those widgets and some other stuff. I hate the home screen go to edit mode on long click because I set it up only once after buying the device. I hate that automatic cut out function when I click on an image because it accidentally happens while browsing my photos. There are so many features that I want to go away but it's not possible to deactivate them properly.
Respectful Message for Drew/Tailosive: If you go in settings, then accessibility, and finally Siri, you can enable Type-to-Siri (has been around for years). Love your content; keep up the genuine work, bro! I think they mean you can type to the Apple AI. While your points are overall valid, I just wanted to respectfully bring the typing thing up. Think of it like this, Apple could have added some features to older iPhones (which as a tech guru would love) but the average consumer would be confused because a plethora of features are only available on the 12 Pro (for A AI) but some only on 14 Pro or later and this can be confusing a general (excluding the 10% tech people) audience. I understand and support where you are coming from. These are my thoughts. Sorry for the paragraph.
I wonder if the regular iPhone 16 will get these AI features or if it will be restricted to the Pro phones.
For Apple calling This “AI for the rest of us” this isn’t true. Not everyone has an iPhone 15 Pro/16/16 Pro. And I understand the memory bottlenecks. I feel Apple missed the mark limiting this to the newest high end.
Ai for the rest of us references the line “a computer for the rest of us” the Mac in 1984 when that was a slogan cost the equivalent of 7300 dollars in todays money. They are talking about ease of use.
I actually like limiting to newer devices. I want a better experience even if that means waiting till I have new hardware. I hate when companies make mediocre software experiences to accommodate older hardware... this has been happening in gaming for years.
The beginning and the answers so accurate 😂😂😂🤣
I really love the skits😂
More features I won't use if my SE3 gets them.
Makes me wonder if some of that is RAM intensive. All the M series Macs have at least 8GB of RAM where most of the phones that are supported in iOS 18 have less than 6GB. But there is still the slumping sales of the past few years that they have to contend with.
Can you confirm or deny you are Johnathan from Mac address?
Cmon dude delete these bot comments
Too many to delete
Yeah, the butt bots are very annoying.
Why not do what I do? If I have to write something that's lengthy, I just use speech to text therefore I speak and it writes it for me. If I want to be sure that there are no mistakes then I have text to speech read it for me, then all I need to do is copy and paste it like I'm doing with this right now. It's faster than typing. I have hated typing for years now. Any of you can do what I do! You don't need AI to help you with anything.
Just like you don't need Alexa to turn off the light in your bedroom at night time before you go to sleep. Just get a Clapper for that, and it's cheaper, just under $20.
Also you can use a regular timer that doesn't have Siri or AI .
One great thing about using speech to text is that because you have to speak properly so that it understands you (so there are no mistakes) your speech continues to improve greatly for when you're around people talking to them.
That “wow” 🤣
IMO memory with iPhones is planned obsolescence, it’s so cheap, and at least for me, an iPhone with 4gb or less is borderline unusable. Like the iPhone 13 chip is more than fast enough, but have fun with apps reloading constantly. Hopefully iPhone 16 has 8gb and 16 Pro has 12gb
''i don't see this changing''
lol, YOU indeed don't change it.
Bixby (even though most hate its existence) has been able to do all that from version 1.
If you want more voice control from your phone, you can use Voice Access from Google found under the accessibility settings.
And Galaxy AI wasn't even a thing when Bixby first came out in the first place!
Don’t come to that conclusion until Apple intelligence is in full swing and then we can make a comparison. Your comment is premature.
@@sammyjammy6647
Indeed! We shall see.
Finally an Apple sheep that points how Apple’s AI isn’t ‘revolutionary’.
Apple Intelligence is the financial Slaughter of the Apple Sheep.
It requires 8gb of RAM, only the A17 Pro and M1 and up have 8gb or more.
if apple keeps this up i wiil gladly hold onto my one year old phone no matter what they come up with
i changed my siri settings so that siri has a male voice a long time ago so kinda strange that everyone calls siri ''her''
I swear you used to be able to type to Siri but then apple removed the feature. Why did apple get rid of full screen Siri? It was better when it was full screen. Also why does Siri constantly listen to you now whereas before Siri only listened when you tapped the Siri icon?
They never removed that feature. It’s in accessibility>siri.
@@Crs664 Than you. I have found out how you type to Siri.
Is there still a way ton make it so that Siri only listens when you tap on the Siri icon? I know it doesn't really matter but I always preferred it that way.
Maybe not all the features could be added to older devices, but many of them should be possible on the IPhone 14 Pros and regular 15s at least
actually, i prefer the solution where its all on-device, and limited to newer chips that can do that, than everything in a cloud.
im saying this as an owner of an iphone Xs lol
Your Tim Cook impression is hilarious 😂
Bro, it’s always the same thing with you. “These features are lame and useless, but also I’m pissed that the older models don’t get it.” Jesus Christ pick a lane.
I said some features are useful and handy, but not technically advanced therefore shouldn’t be locked to the Pros
Other features that are more generative are cringey and weird
@@TailosiveTech in what world is a large language model running almost entirely on device not technically advanced? When I told my android fanboy roommate about this his jaw dropped and I personally know 3 people who are gonna switch to iPhone for these features.
The thing that annoys me about you lately is that you used to be able to see the big picture and would often be the voice of reason when people were needlessly criticizing surface level bullshit. It seems like you’ve lost the plot and just join the chorus of idiots complaining to complain.
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@@Crs664IMO it is scifi come to life… I hope it is as good as it seems.
the fact that apple excludes the intel mac pro with graphics cards that are able to do the exact same calculations faster than the neural engines on a phone is able to tells you everything you need to know.
I’ll buy a new IPhone if I can get a Happy Merchant emoji. 👃
Tim, I don't own any Apple products but enjoy your videos because I like knowing what's happening on the other side. I agree with you. I think it's outrageous Apple is only releasing the AI features on the 15 pro models and above. I get there's a RAM requirement for certain AI features but the fact Apple isn't releasing some on older iPhones including a few that are still being sold seems like a money making scheme. The magic eraser feature is available on the previous three generations of the Pixel. Same with circle to search.
I agree that Apple might have software locked Apple Intelligence maliciously, but I think that since they had to shove a bunch of new quality of life updates together, in order to please investors, it required more compute power and RAM. Either way, we will see how it works when it comes out.
I'm upset that this is going to represent a stark shifting of Apple's focus towards increasing the gimmicks of apple intelligence to sell it more, over actual software updates, optimizations, and support of all iPhones. Like I don't even know what phone to buy anymore cause apple intelligence seems pretty cool, but I want to purchase a 14 pro max since it'll be considerably cheaper upon the iPhone 16's full release, and still have the modern look. I just don't want to think I'm getting something that is practically obsolete even though it still feels like it just came out yesterday. 😞😞
Ai for the few of us
And I agree with the gen-ai stuff being kinda dumb. It would be nice to have some of the more useful stuff on non pro phones. But eh, Apple gon Apple
Spot On Dude. Although I like the new / newest M-series MacBooks, I simply quit buying iPhones !
So iPad 7 with its A10 chip gets iPadOS 18. But my iPad Pro 10.5 with its A10X chip is dropped. Software locking at its best. Not happy at all.
Same. I also have the 10.5 inch iPad Pro. For whatever reason it doesn’t get iPadOS 18
Apple Vision Pro isn’t getting Apple Intelligence either (probably because the neural engine is heavily used for the XR features. It’s clear that they want a certain level of on-device performance available for it to work.
I think the implementing “Apple Intelligence” only in 15Pro is to future proof . Model will be get complex and large over time . They don’t want to implement old models and get cancelled 1 year later
Nah, it’s just a RAM limitation. Their LLM takes up too much RAM to run on 6GB iPhones. That’s why M1 Macs and iPads are supported even though they have much older neural engines. They all have 8GB or more.
We just going have to wait and see. Im curious to how the 15 pro series will keep up in the coming years since its going to be the oldest iphone capable
Just as I was mad at the end of the presentation!!! I bought an iPhone 14 Pro and is not even a two years old smartphone and it’ll be out of the equation by Apple!!!
I think I’ll be considering to change to a Galaxy in 2 or three years from now if Apple keep that bullshit!!!
Yea I bought a iPhone 15, couldn’t afford the others. We are always locked out of everything so nothing changes at Apple. Either you pay for the higher models and get it or buy what you can afford and get the crumbs 😢
I feel like so many ppl I’ve seen have glossed over the fact that this is only available for the iPhone 15 pro models. I don’t even think the public actually knows that the majority of them won’t be able to access these features. I think when this happens Apple will receive backlash and depending if people upgrade or not for these features, might prevent them from software locking again?? That’s just what I think
I think for some the improvements will be great but for the majority of people I don’t think actually care, it’s like google assistant it’s mostly used for basic things and isn’t taken advantage of.
I have 15 pro max. The AI thing is cool but I rather not update to iOS 18 so I will wait til bugs and fixes are improve . I got a feeling that it’s gonna a be lot of bugs lol
You can text siri on any iphone, theres a setting for it
Orchestrated greed. Spot on. People don’t realize just how much incrementalism is present in this economic system.
the fact that m1 macs can run ai leads me to believe its not a neural. core issue, but a ram issue. LLMs are massive and they need tons of ram. and for why they didn't allow the siri border and stuff is because i think it would confuse a lot of people, as thats a part of ai siri, which has to be locked due to hardware issues.
for one just dismissing the accessibility of building writing tool into OS level features is laughable. that basically kills popular services like grammarly. “people i know are particular about phrasing”. do you personally know 2billion non native English speakers who have to use it professionally?
Yeah, I’m with you on this. I enjoy my Apple products but the fact that I won’t be able to access Apple Intelligence on my 15 Plus annoys me. It’ll be fine on my M2 iPad Pro and M1 MacBook Air but I don’t walk around with those devices inside or outside so having it on a non-Pro phone would be nice.
Let’s see, so the Pro and Pro Max 15’s have the A17 Pro chip with 6 cores CPU’s and 6 GPU’s with 16-core neural engines.
The regular 15 and 15+ have the A16 Bionic chip with the same specs except for *one* less GPU core. That’s it! One less GPU core.
Both regular 15’s get 6gb of RAM and the Pros can get 6gb or 8gb, so RAM is not an issue since the regular Pro has 6gb like the non-Pros.
Sooooo, does one less GPU core decide the fate of the non-Pro versions not getting Apple Intelligence? Hardly!
I usually let most things slide with Apple but not offering “A.I.” on the lesser models makes no sense. 🫤
It should work on devices going back to the iPhone 12. At this point, the smartest thing Apple can do is to offer it to most models, even if they offer it after its initial release.
Remember is not just the number of cores.
The A16 is a chip from 2022, before ChatGPT was even out, the A17pro is the one from 2023.
The A17pro is the first chip using 3nm technology, so each core is a lot faster than the A16 ones.
Reviewers didn’t complain than the A17pro model was getting AAA games like Resident Evil and Assassin Creed and the A16 devices weren’t getting those… it’s not like those games require the extra neural core. It was about the overall speed of the processor.
Apple is absolute trash 🚮 for locking these features to the pros.
meanwhile Microsoft: "Yep, these computers can run Windows Vista"
(few moments later) "Why does everyone say Windows Vista is slow? 😢"
Similar restriction with Math Notes requiring an M1 chip, which means iPad Mini users can't use this feature as Apple doesn't even make an M1 version of the Mini.
Microsoft's Math Solver does much the same thing and is available on iOS/iPad OS and Android. It works absolutely fine on my A14 iPad Air.
It doesn't tho? Nowhere on the iPadOS preview page does it say Math Notes is limited to certain devices. This feature even works on iPhones.
There were a few news outlets that said so, maybe they're wrong? Guess we'll find out when it actually releases.
at least now you can kinda costumize your home screen.
What if, the hardware requirement is because Apple was forced to accelerate their plans, as their investors wanted to see AI
Have a feeling they made the on device AI models JUST efficient enough for 8gb