Roddy Shikatekime As someone who’s seen the movie twice, I agree. It definitely looked like Gogeta was toying with Broly yet he _still_ slapped him to a ridiculous degree.
Whis to Goku and Vegeta: If u two work together, then u might have a chance against Lord Beerus. Whis in Broly movie: Well look at that, u two can work together.
@@DragonBallScaler Whis said this after Goku and Vegeta obtained the ability to become SSB but saiyans being saiyans, Goku and Vegeta agreed that they would want to defeat Beerus individually rather than as a team. Plus, Whis said that they could have a CHANCE of fighting him toe to toe but a victory was not assured.
@@nowornever2003 bro some people say that whis said if they combine they can defeat beerus and some people say that if goku and vegeta in their super saiyan blue still they are weaker than beerus
Its safe to say Gogeta Blue would win, I mean he can also use Kaioken if he needed it or should be able to use SSJB evolution. UI Gogeta would be OP for Jiren.
Took jiren a long time to get to that level tho. Broly got to the tier just in a single day Broly needs a week or two under an angel and he gains power higher than jiren did in decades
It's tough because in Super you had some of the most powerful characters limited to tournament rule restrictions. Hit was able to 'grow' during his fight with Goku even at SS Blue + Kaio-Ken times 10. Goku wanted the rules lifted because Hit wasn't able to use his most powerful/deadliest attack as an assassin. Yet right after the Future Trunks/Goku Black/Zamasu Arc, Goku was "killed" by Hit in one strike. Tournament of Power Jiren was kind of in the same boat, sure he could have EASILY squashed everyone if he chose to (minus UI/Mastered UI Goku to an extent). However, he couldn't kill anyone due to the rules; despite that one blast sent to destroy Goku's friends but that got swept under the rule as a rule violation if you ask me. Honestly, it's a tough call if you ask me...
Yeah true, killer intent can end fights b4 they really get hairy. Someone tried to tell me "Since broly lasted hours, his stamina would outlast jiren" And idk about that, the arctic battle had no rules but the t.o.p did. For all we know, when jiren gets mad, he could be the guy that tears heads off and legit TRIES killing u. Many killing techniques jiren could've used or could have weren't allowed, so we don't know how he gets down when no rules are involved. It's like saying Captain america(who can fight for days) can beat the SENTRY in a flat out fight. Stamina means nothing if u DIE b4 u can use it👍🏽
As we know gogeta power is not only combined but significantly magnified now let’s mention hit was able to kill goku super sayain blue that is impressive but Broly was able to to clap two blues vegeta and goku but it is not really clear since Broly has the most potential remember he was able to copy most of their attacks he is learning as he fights that’s why gogeta had to finish Broly but Broly has very unmatched potential I’ve seen a fananimation
Broly was ssb in fananimation that is not cannon but if Broly pushed himself so far he basically surpassed beerus As soon as he hit ss3 Broly has so much potential and Jiren but Broly was born with a power level of 10,000 jiren was probably way lower goku was 2 but he still surpassed Broly if goku started from 2 then Broly is probably 1/10 of his his true power and if he went berserk and super sayain that is not really the true power of Broly
Broly was getting stomped by Gogeta, Gogeta never went full strength and was just testing him during the movie. Just because it wasn't a ohko doesn't mean it was a close fight or even competitive.
Martin McCormick we don’t know if he was using his full power or not because remember the fusion dance only last for 30 mins and if they use a powerful form it decreases the time. Remember what happen to vegito. The potara didn’t last an hour because ssb was too powerful so it decreased the time. Obviously he had to finish beating up broly fast before the time runs out.
Broly was eating Gogeta's attacks. Plus if you pay attention to the novel for Broly DBS, it stated Gogeta showed a hint of his true power. While it wasn't directly quantified, it's still not exactly playing around either.
@Eddie Austin thats from vjump who also said cooler who got stomped by ssj grade 1 goku was over 5x stronger than gogeta. That guide is about as credible as heroes.
I agree with you on that a much anticipated matchup in the series. Also Broly hasn't tapped into his potential god abilities and was a novice fighter. I do believe when he gets trained better and can harness that power he will be hard to beat by either. I also believe Jiren is definitely stronger than beerus as is MUI Kakarot. He "Goku" definitely knew what he was saying when he was comparing him to lord beerus. Don't forget they always surpass the deities eventually and beerus is no exception. King Kai, Grand Kai, and Supreme Kai were all stronger and got eclipsed by Goku. Also Naruto explained is a dope channel been subbed for awhile fam keep doing what you do.
Martin Ramirez lemme explain. Jiren in ep 110 was suppressed and was still called a mortal that is stronger than a GoD(belmod who is stronger than Beerus in the anime). 1st uio goku fought him equally till he ran out of power. Now goku in ep 123 in base form fights a powered up version of the same jiren who’s supposed to be stronger than belmod suppressed..jiren hits him with the strongest attack goku ever felt and goku still has enough energy left to go blue afterwards. This would put goku at least at the same level of not stronger than 1st uio goku(and hes not the only one since 17 and vegeta did the same) in base form meaning Ep123 jiren>>>base goku>ep110 jiren>=1st uio goku>belmod>Beerus. Or 123 goku>>>>Beerus 🤷🏾♂️
YaBoi Shrek Better animations on super attacks. Legends has better animation overall. Every character has a unique fighting style and has a nice basic combat. Dokkans basic attacks are lame
I personally think that it's kinda hard to power scale when it comes to Jiren because he literally ate EVERYTHING that anyone threw at him until Goku mastered UI. Jiren one shotted SSBE Vegeta as well, he literally mopped everybody with little to no effort. So idk
He took the full power of MUI and still bounced back beasting Goku, Frieza and 17. Jiren's stronger than ssjb Gogeta because if he toom it he would have been diffused.
Someone call Toei so we can see this hypothetical fight animated with Shintani's art because that would be Epic. As the my answer I honestly can't tell for certain who would come out the winner.
Even then, Jiren was able to throw hands with MUI which goes to show how powerful Jiren is. D.B.H. should get the Donkey of the Day for how they did Jiren
Tony Brown heroes isn’t canon so it doesn’t count and I mean cmon people heroes is LITERALLY a promotional anime with the sole purpose of selling the dB heroes cards of the characters they show in the episode (harts, cumber, cumber ssj, golden cooler and golden metal cooler), it is not meant to be taken seriously
I don't fucking understand how all these Gogeta fanbois think Gogeta is MUI Goku level and somehow claps Jiren. I'm convinced that Geekdom had to pretend it was completely equal because his earlier poll revealed that around 80% of his fans think Gogeta wins. He just didn't want flack for it.
It's important to remember Gogeta, as the fusion of battle-hungry lunatics, was having the time of his life during that entire battle. If he was deadset bloodlusted as a Super Saiyan Blue he would've straight up killed Broly and done so much quicker than the battle we saw, otherwise Frieza (who Base Gogeta would creampie) would've died in seconds rather than last an hour as Broly's punching bag. It's reasonable to conclude that MUI Goku and Jiren were fighting at a level Broly never reached, but there's no way of knowing how much stronger Gogeta was than Broly once he went Blue so all that can be said for sure is that current Blue fusions are at Episode 130 levels of power.
Eldritch Interface That’s had canon as fuck. “Current Ssb fusion are episode 130 levels of power” also if we’re going by the novel they said that Gogeta used a hint of his full power fighting Broly. Hidden Power Jiren was fighting on par with Mui Goku until he tried killing his friends. Jiren stomps, until proving otherwise.
Same. Cause it's post tournament of power goku and vegeta. Plus idk about the kamehameha thing. That kameha looked like it was gonna end broly and it wasn't full power cause if it was then they would've defused right after but they defused off screen which means they can produce something that strong either without going all out or go all out and still be able to continue. Idk I just feel like Gogeta was playing around in that match
I sometimes wonder if people didn't see the same movie I did. After Gogeta goes blue, Broly couldn't even hit him ONCE. He didn't connect a single blow or ki blast, and was totally dominated by Gogeta, who didn't even looked like he was 100% serious either.
What’s crazy is that jiren went back to trainning and he trainning with Egg man so he’s probably stronger now and that angel girl but we all know they are going to nerf him let’s be honest ppl
@@kiryuthedragonwarrior2746 but Gogeta completely handled broly. Didn’t even really have to try at all. That’s the thing. Gogeta is leagues above broly so it’s not a good measure of his strength.
it's always rough to power scale fused characters because we rarely see their full power, both vegito and gogeta. personally i say gogeta only because we dont know the cap of his power, but we've seen jiren's but that doesn't knock jiren because i'm sure too many hits from full power jiren will sit gogeta down so it definitely is a tough one
Crypto elf right idk what movie these guys watched but they need to rewatch gogeta blue never even went full power and broly still couldnt land a single blow on him and broly was supposed to be beerus level lol. Gogeta blue would slap mui and jiren honestly.
.. Gogeta toys with broly like a cat smacking a mouse around. Its simply a game at that level and he is in a whole different tier. Broly is completely outclassed and confused bc nothing is effective even at his max power. ...to many jiren fanboys
Crypto elf I am a huge jiren fanboy and I can still admit gogeta blue would beat him lol. Gogeta blue would beat mui goku too in my personal opinion. If he can beat a beerus-level fighter ( broly ) with ease without even going full power how would he ever lose to jiren and mui goku? It might be a close fight but he probably beats them both
Gogeta guys.. SSB Gogeta wasn't going ALL OUT on Broly. I think Gogeta would take out Jiren, but with pretty high difficult though. If SSB Gogeta can use Kaioken, its over. Low difficulty.
@@itsnimbus and it's also been stated that suppressed jiren, the one that was pushing back the spirit bomb with his eyes, was at the level of GoD. Not saying suppressed jiren is stronger than beerus, however, when jiren begins to show hints of his true power in episode 123 it's confirmed that when jiren uses that much power he's >>> belmod. And belmod beat beerus in arm wrestling, so...
@@stardust6762 his ep 123 self isn't stronger than belmod though. G.o.d. toppo was stronger than ep 123/124 jiren and vegeta ssb evo was stronger than that. And in ep 123 belmod says its been some time since jiren used this much power, not that jiren surpassed him with that much power. If anything FP jiren/ep 127 multi aura jiren is stronger than Belmod.
First of all, UI Omen Goku that fought Kefla was much weaker than Kefla. He had untouchable defense but UI Omen Goku couldn't hurt Kefla, but when he first hit Jiren the third time, he hurt Jiren, and a supressed Jiren stomps Kefla.
My thing with this is how can Goku by himself be able to beat him with ultra instant but gogeta who is a combination of both vegeta and goku and has knowledge of both their technology not be able to beat him? We still don't know how strong gogeta is.
And with Jared they make him look so unstoppable but he just unstoppable when in that tournament he watched while goku and vegeta fought the whole time. He was fresh while goku and vegeta got pushed to their limits throughout the tournament. No one looks at that either
Failed to bring up that jiren is more than likely training aswell after the ToP not just vegeta and goku. So looking at it that way jiren would be even more powerful than from the end of the ToP!!! Still an interesting debate nonetheless.
AppropriateAdam yeah people tend to forget that they think only goku and Vegeta train and Jiren is sleeping no he’s training what if he tapped into god ki or even UI by training with his angel if either bye bye Gogeta and goku he would be close to angel level. Also Jiren couldn’t kill so power was still withheld.
Habib Art Who’s to say that the battle between MUI Goku and LB Jiren wouldn’t have broken the fabric of reality if they were in a regular setting outside the world of void
Joel Arbelo still not a good judgement on power, base off of setting. It’s like saying Buu and Gotenks are the strongest beings since they ripped a hole in a room that’s considered to be infinite in time and space. But back to the arguments on power scaling for Broly, Gogeta, Jiren, and why not let’s include UI Goku. Based off of the movie, post tournament of power SSB Goku was trading blows with that Hybrid Oozaru form Broly. Then of course with Broly’s dad dying he went Super Saiyan. *Now this is where you can properly power scale the characters...* _Keep in mind Jiren was stated to be stronger than all the GoDs in the anime and then it was confirmed through an outside source. In addition, we don’t know the jump in power from SBB to omen to UI._ We saw Base Gogeta match SS Broly. *SS Broly >> SSB Goku* _(no argument here.) Then SS Gogeta pushes Broly to go LSS. We already know the multipliers for *Super Saiyan* so these guys are basically far above a SSBK20 Goku. In LSS, Broly definitely bested a SS Gogeta. (I’m not gonna make an argument here saying Gogeta could’ve beat broly in SS...that’s impossible mainly due to time.) But with this in mind, both LSS Broly and SSB Gogeta are well above the common knowledge of power. Now, from this point on we are basically making speculations and a bunch of head canon. But, there are still some people who want to argue the power scaling, because obviously the jump from SS to SSB or SS to LSS is an enormous power multiplier. Unfortunately you still can’t say whose stronger, and that’s because the multiplier for Jiren and UI Goku was never made clear. Yes Jiren is stronger than the GoDs, and UI Goku somewhat bested a full power Jiren, (putting those two above the power of the GoDs). But then what about Broly and Gogeta? Those multipliers aren’t normal multipliers because Oozaru Hybrid form Broly= SBB Goku, and then base Gogeta came in fighting SS Broly, till he took it up to SS and was basically walking Broly. I might’ve wasted your time, but hopefully this gets rid of all the head canon when people say Jiren is stronger than SSB Gogeta and Broly. The correct answer is... we don’t know. But keep up with the Manga because if Moro licks UI like he is doing with omen rn then we basically can confirm Broly and Gogeta were in fact leagues ahead of UI Goku and Jiren.
We seen Jiren at full max power in the TOP and Gogeta Blue was nowhere near his peak power against Broly, you cats need to really keep that in mind. Jiren is a beast and insanely powerful and so is Gogeta. And how do any of us know that Gogeta doesn't have the ability to combine Kaioken x20 and SSB Evolution, we know for sure that Gogeta can use either one and he might be able to use both. If that's the case this discussion and debate is definitely over.
Dude i don't think gogeta would need kk on top of blue... He was rag dolling fp broly after going blue so gogeta blue is as strong as fp jiren if not above him.... Had gogeta blue not being on the level of mui goku... Goku in heroes wouldn't even have asked vegeta to fuse as he wasn't able to go ultra Instinct at that moment
Fred Brooks ssbkk and evolved are anime forms while in the manga they have perfected blue which is par against ssbkk/evolved. In the anime gogeta should be able to do that. But in the dbs broly movie it represents the manga, so thats why we didn’t see gogeta use ssbkk or evolved because those forms don’t exist in the manga.
well if thats the case then you'd have to say that gogeta is even powerful than MUI Goku Which is a crazy thing to say when it is a form not even Gods can acheive it easily A fusion is pretty strong but definately not powerful than Gods of destruction level MUI>Gogeta at full power
Gogeta Blue isn't the strongest fusion. Toriyama said at this point in the story, there is no difference in power between Gogeta and Vegito. They're both the strongest, it's just the difference on how they get to that fusion.
I still think that SSJB Gogeta is stronger than UI Goku. SSJ Broly was wiping the floor with a POST TOURNAMENT OF POWER SSJB GOKU AND VEGETA, and BASE Gogeta was able to keep up SSJ Broly, which means Base Gogeta is potentially just as strong as Post-Tournament of Power SSJB Goku and Vegeta. The fact that Gogeta is THAT powerful in just his base form is fucking insane. Let’s not forget that SSJ Gogeta and SSJ Broly managed to rip apart dimensions before they even reached their full power. The fact that Gogeta has that many feats before he even reached SSJB is INSANE, so therefore SSJB Gogeta is more than likely stronger than Jiren and UI Goku. Don’t get me wrong, Jiren and UI Goku are ridiculously strong, but the combination of power from both a Post-Tournament of Power SSJB Goku and Vegeta, as well as the absurd feats Gogeta already had before he even reached SSJB, definitely makes him stronger imo.
Yeah i think Gogeta would not ever need blue to beat Limit-breaker Jiren just SSG full power lol. Sure kids don't understand how fusion works Fusion gets the power multiplied by 2x of the characters used as tributes for the fusion works like that Vegeta + Goku at their full strength make Gogeta that means Gogeta base=SSB goku + SSB Vegeta x2 = Rival Jiren Gogeta SSJ=SSB ascended Vegeta + Goku SS blue kkx20 x2= Jiren pushed into a corner = Can't be able to beat Gogeta at this point Gogeta SSG red=Goku UI (omen) + Vegeta UI (omen) x2= Jiren stomped = Can't be able to even lay a finger at Gogeta at this point Gogeta SSB= MUI Goku + MUI vegeta x2= Jiren murdered dramatic finish = Which means Jiren dead Don't forget if Goku fuses with Vegeta which Goku has UI, Vegeta gets access to UI too beacuse of Goku. That's why it counts like that and Jiren barely beat MUI goku alone multiple times and still lost and took the L how can he beat 2 MUI at one body???? That's a f*cking joke dude and those Jiren tards need to learn about that cuz Gogeta stomps Jiren along with MUI Goku with ease lmao.
@@HolyLightofAngel I think he would need blue fp because if gogeta base is slightly stronger than blue and multiply by one million (blue is one mil times base) creates something really strong obviously gogeta wins because fp mui beat jiren limit breaker and he rage on top of that so yea gogeta would need blue fp but gogeta would win unless jiren fights them without the i tension of beating gogeta so they can defuse and then jiren wins unless goku goes mui
I hate when people use the defusing Gogeta argument, Gogeta isn’t Vegito. He has never shown that he prematurely will defuse because of power, except in GT which isn’t canon.
Brokkan Games that still doesn’t change the fact that he was a character with certain power reserves who used his power too recklessly and defused. You trying to call gotenks weak when he was stronger than ss3 goku. Them being children doesn’t change the fundamentals of the fusion
Raimondo Lukasha Gotenks didn’t defuse because of power, literally just reread the manga and that wasn’t stated. He was beating Buu, and then went to base form cause he couldn’t sustain his ssj3 form(not having mastered it) and then went the fusion timed out a bit afterwards. But he had a long fight with Buu even before he went SSJ3 so no, Gotenks doesn’t prove anything
if you dont remember, whis has said "when goku and vegeta fight as one, they are unbeatable" And if you havent noticed, whis is a very thorough being, when he says something he has all factors considered, factors including Jiren. It would definently be a close fight but just from the series i feel like gogeta blue has it, especially if gogeta blue can go evolutionized blue.
A very good point💯. Gogeta is the ultimate being. His base is as strong as goku ssb. The multipliers from base to even just ssj1 on gogeta would be like ssbe kkx10 goku. At this point it's just a matter of favoritism. Anybody that say jiren can beat ssb gogeta is entirely a jiren fan.
@Entertainment Videos 👍 I have a feeling that a lot of fanboys don’t understand how fusion multiples the power levels of 2 fighters into one🤷🏼♂️ or they do know it but just ignore it doesn’t favor them🤷🏼♂️. Jiren fanboys says Jiren is stronger than Broly and Gogeta🤦♂️.goku fanboys say UI goku is stronger than Gogeta. It took two god ki warriors to fuse to be able to take down broly while it only took one saiyan to take down jiren. Gogeta Blue is a powerful fuse warrior. Look at kefla, she beat the shit out ssbkk, Ik she got her ass beat by UI(omen) goku but imagine her with god ki, she would’ve been unstoppable. In a promotional magazine it was stated that broly is the strongest opponent till date. Creators didn’t went back to go change it or denied that statement. They didn’t because it’s true🤷🏼♂️.
@@entertainmentvideos8973 fact even broly is stronger than jiren they stated this many times and even frieza confirmed this frieza say that broly is the strongest mortal in the multivers that nobody can't defeat him frieza know jiren he fight against jiren and he know how powerful jiren is but for him broly is even stronger
@Fo Aka this shouldn’t be a debate between UI goku or Jiren vs Gogeta. There comparing a fuse god ki warrior to a single non fuse warrior. Of course fusion will take this win. It’s fusion it multiplies two fighters powerlevel into one but newbies don’t understand that. It’s like saying kid buu being stronger than buuhan or ssj3 goku being stronger than base vegito.
Whis said that there was a mortal stronger than his own god of Destruction, and then followed it with "That GoD is stronger than beerus." I swear I remember that
@@raveraidd he wasn't able to one shot Broly, so Gogeta would have lots of difficulty dealing with Jiren. Jiren will land blows on Gogeta, those are going to be heavy.
If fusion can allow goten and trunks to suddenly be as powerful as super buu, then yea, it will allow Goku and vegeta (who can already keep up with Jiren) to beat him. If gogeta takes it seriously, then he’ll win very easily, however I have a feeling he won’t and as such he may defuse.
One thing that people seem that be disregarding is that there is a high percentage chance that Jiren also continued his training after the TOP which would make him even more powerful. Especially now that he realizes the value of "relying on/trusting others". On top of that, just because Goku achieved MUI doesn't mean that other characters (i.e. Jiren) can't master it as well. If Jiren mastered UI then it's game over for everyone. It's not out of the realm of possibility considering he's also a fighting genius and has witnessed the technique. End of rant lol
@@YewsFull Yes, AFTER the TOP. Fact still remains that Jiren would be training and could potentially overpower Gogeta. Not sure what the point of your comment was. Not looking to get into an argument either :)
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Akira Toriyama stated before the release of Broly that Broly was the strongest oppenent Goku or Vegeta has ever faced. Hence forth if Broly is as strong as Jiren then that means when Gogeta Blue fought Broly and almost fried him with the most powerful Kamehameha ever witnessed and on top of that WITHOUT even using close to his max power! Then how is this even a question? Gogeta would destroy Jiren and bring him to his knees begging for mercy.
@@omegademon6285 Lie? Akira Toriyama absolutely said Broly was the strongest opponent Goku or Vegeta have ever faced. This is why I cannot understand why there is any debate behind the fact that Gogeta would destroy Jiren. The creators confirmed it before the release of the movie. There has never been an enemy in DBZ that was weaker than his or her predecessor. here is the direct quote - " “Frankly, the enemy Goku and co. are up against in this movie is the strongest.” Put that quote in google and watch the source pop up right in front of your eyes.
@@T-H-E-WORLD searched it up and there is no mention of toriyama. Turns out that quote is from saikyo jump, so it's just some promotional bs to hype the movie.
@@corinwisecat2812 what you said is dumb, next time broly appears he would've gotten significantly stronger from his training, it's not even relevant. Clearly, you can't even understand my comment, you've decided to believe in your own fantasy instead of check your misinformation.
Gogeta, The power of a fusion (which is two character MULTIPLIED WITH EACHOTER) cannot be understated or underestimated. Jiren has no chance, if both are going full power.
@Son Goku I mean being serious is something while being full power is something and full power ssb is something and full power gogeta is another thing considering that gogeta or vegito should be able to use kaioken and ssbe and the proof is that kefla was able to fuse super Saiyan two and controlled beserk super sayian which put the arguement if gogeta can go into something like sssbekk because technically he should be able to but how would that affect the fusion at least going ssbe and ssbkk is clearly and easily possible
@Son Goku bro don't you understand that the only moment gogeta was getting serious is when he charged the kamehameha and a well trained fighter after fighting his opponent would know how much strength needed to finish his opponent and going serious to finish his opponent doesn't mean at all that he went full power and in the fight broly didn't land a single effective hit while gogeta was playing toying and enjoying his time remember that he is a fusion of two sayians so clearly he wasn't going full power and clearly he was just toying and remember that he knew that broly was a good guy so he was trying in the beginning to put him down without killing him but in the end he knew that he had to kill him or get a little bit serious
@Son Goku ohh yeah zamasu was a threat to the whole universe and vegito was toying with him for a little bit not alot cuz part of him surviving was his immortality which vegito when he was getting serious was sure that he was ending him and about the difference in vegito and gogeta personality that's a stupid topic and alot of proofs are against it
Thirstyjerome_ Junior I’m a gogeta fan myself .. but if you want to know then vegito could’ve thrashed buu in a second but he didn’t and got absorbed on purpose to rescue his friends .. he could’ve also thrashed merged zamasu but ran out of time and plus he was half immortal
I wonder if people saw the same movie I did. Once Gogeta went blue, Broly didn't land a single hit, no ki blast, punch or lucky counter, nothing. He was at least close to Beerus in power, and couldn't do ANYTHING. Literally nothing. Gogeta didn't even took it that seriously, He was smiling throughout the whole fight, and only looked serious with the Kamehameha. As I see this, Gogeta would win, even not using 100% of his power. The only way I see Jiren winning is if they defuse.
I think Fusion is stronger than Ultra Instinct. In the DBS Manga, base Vegito managed to blow up a piece of Merged Zamasu with ease, while both SSJB Goku and Vegeta struggle against him. In the DBS Broly, base Gogeta had a the advantage against SSJ Broly, while Golden Frieza and both SSJB Goku and Vegeta struggle against him. If both base Vegito and base Gogeta manage to put up more of a fight than SSJB Goku and Vegeta, just imagine how strong SSJB Vegito and Gogeta are.
Terence Robinson no base gogeta struggled with ssj broly... he literally turned ssj then he defeated ssj broly....after that broly went into his berserk form and gogeta went ssjblue. Also it was just ssjblue goku and vegeta not other z fighters or didn’t use their new forms.
Golden Freeza managed to push SSJ back a bit during his 1 hour beat down, and SSJ Gogeta beat Broly down until he went FP. Then, when Gogeta went Blue, FP Broly said to be "possibly at around Beerus' level". Ya know? Something Jiren was confirmed to be at during EP 110?
@@preds43 yeah but who won that fight, SSJB Gogeta. In fact he almost killed him, and SSJB Gogeta held the advantage against Full Power Broly the entire fight.
We don’t know what the UI multiplier is but we know what the fusion multiplier is. Gogeta or Vegito are both at least stronger than SSJ Blue Kaioken Goku in their base forms. All we know about UI is that when Goku used UI Omen against Kefla SSJ2 he was at least 2 times stronger than SSJ B KK x 20 ( Or 10 i can’t remember what he used against kefla). What ever UI’s multiplier is it would have to be stronger SSJ Blue Gogeta or Vegito who are both stronger than SSJ B Goku in their bases! But we’re askin the wrong question; the right question is could UI Gogeta/ Vegito stand up to farmer with a shot gun?
Hyourinjutsu did a vs sprite matchup of this fight on his channel and it was really good Jiren in that fight managed to hold his own against Gogeta until the time limit ran out and Goku and Vegeta managed to Will it out against a fatigued Jiren in a beam struggle. Jiren >> Broly
Ok so ur not gonna like this but I firmly believe not only that Broly is stronger than Jiren, but also that Gogeta blue slaps both Jiren and MUI Goku under all circumstances and here’s why(this is gonna be lengthy so just here me out please): Ok, so we know from the fact that because Goku and Vegeta ran from Broly and Goku only believed that fusion would work, and NOT kiaoken or blue evo, we can safely confirm that REGULAR ssj Broly can body ssbkk20 Goku and Vegeta. This is something that Jiren actually did in the tournament, even with 17 in the mix. I don’t believe another blue lvl fighter would’ve mattered if Goku only thought of fusing to beat Broly, so SSJ Broly or Jiren > Goku, Vegeta, and 17. They fuse and Gogeta appears, and in BASE form Gogeta effortlessly evades all of Broly’s attacks. This can confirm to us that Base Gogeta dominates blue lvl fighters like Goku, Vegeta, and 17. Keep in mind, Jiren had to power up to his full power state to do this, so that means that SSJ Broly and Bass Gogeta are comparable to THAT full power Jiren, not the real full power Jiren against UI. However, Gogeta turns SSJ, and Broly barely even lands a successful hit on SSJ Gogeta, if he even did at all. Such effortlessness can even mean that this Gogeta was suppressed and not completely seriously. But SSJ Gogeta dominates SSJ Broly who I confirmed is relative to suppressed full power Jiren. The only other person who seemed to actually dominate this Jiren is 3rd UI Goku. SSJ GOGETA is >~= 3rd UI Goku. Later, Broly turns LSSJ(or full power), and BODIES SSJ Gogeta, and Gogeta chooses to, in order to body Broly again, SKIP SSJ2, SSJ3, and SSJ god. This means that LSSJ Broly is WITHOUT A DOUBT, stronger than Real Full Power Jiren AND 3rd UI Goku. So the only way that Jiren won’t get DOMINATED by LSSJ Broly, is if he goes Limit Breaker, which is exactly what MUI Goku did to Jiren. So LSSJ is ROUGHLY equal to MUI Goku in raw strength, which PROVES that it is more than likely true that Broly is stronger than Jiren and POSSIBLY Beerus. But once Gogeta turns Blue, Broly lost without even landing a single hit on Gogeta, and he didn’t even break a sweat while doing it. So guess what. In raw power, Suppressed Blue Gogeta DOMINATES Jiren and MUI Goku under all circumstances. Thank you so much to anyone who made it all the way here, and I hope this puts into perspective why I believe that Broly is most likely stronger than Jiren, and Blue Gogeta is definitely stronger than MUI and Limit Breaker Jiren, from using basic comparative power scaling of DBS Broly and the Tournament of Power. Hope this helps anybody understand.
Remember that Kefla was supposedly equal to Kaioken times 20 Spirit Bomb Goku when Kale and Caulifla were equal to SSJ2 or a little higher. Now imagine that with SSJB characters. I have no doubt Gogeta would curbstomp Jiren. Not to mention Gogeta most likely can use Kaioken and stronger versions of Goku and Vegeta's techniques.
Kefla was in he LSSJ state that she was mentioned that her power was at spirit bomb level, so what would her LSSJ2 be? Gogeta is very powerful but I can't really power scale him against Jiren because of feats, it makes sense that he "would" be stronger than Jiren, but if Whis mentioned that Gogeta is stronger than Jiren than, then he is stronger than Jiren, we can only speculate on how awesome Gogeta is
Grayson PrimeTime GAMES! Why is he a fool lol the novels explicitly state that there is no being in existence who can defeat broly which includes jiren and the novels are the movies written into words
Is this a joke? Gogeta hit Brolly so hard he knocked him into an entire different dimension and I personally think Brolly would stomp a hole in Jirens face. And also, I felt like Gogeta was fucking with Brolly for that entire fight. It wasn't even a contest, they even said Gogeta was going to kill him if the fight drug on longer.
How?? Beerus is stronger than jiren and then broly is stronger than beerus. Gogeta clapped broly with ease and even whis confirmed that gogeta could beat beerus so idk how this is an argument
Legit question Geekdom: Does becoming a god of destruction give you any sort of power up from your current state once you gain god Ki and destruction power? For example would Jiren get any kind of power up from becoming a god of destruction?
Toppo clearly got a massive power up once he started using his God ki and Hakai energy during the tournament of power, so I think that is clearly a yes.
@@graysonred470 its so dumb when broly fans or anyone else really bring up the oh imagine if whis or angel trained and act like hes the only one who could do that excluding vegeta and goku. They forget jiren can train with an angel too.
@@tookhertotheo9604 But then you forget that Broly learns faster than any mortal in the dbz universe with Cell being the 2nd because of his frieza and saiyan cells. Theres a reason why. Jiren fans tend to forget that was Brolys first fight and he bodied Goku and Vegeta. The same thing would've happened if Jiren went serious against Goku so you kind of have to put a what if scenario. Jiren fans need to learn that if you say Jiren bodies a certain character then you have to take the other character's characteristics into account with Brolys ability to learn as he fights as a trait of his Edit: If you say Jiren would body, then you're implying Broly would stand absolutely no chance which i find hard to believe
@@carmelosmith8782 seriously Just bcoz its post TOP ppl out here pulling headcanon frm their ass cracks and stating Ssb vegeta n goku r strother than UI omen 😂. Omen might be defensive but omen UI still fought jiren and the same jiren demolished ssbkkx20 goku, ssbe vegeta n 17 as well Post TOP they got zenkai boosts sure but ssb is nowhere near UI omen
Akhil if gogeta was toying with broly then why did he turn blue. I thought fanboys said gogeta takes his fights seriously. He should’ve stayed on his super sayian form if he was toying with broly🤷🏼♂️
r 333 no shit kid but the person I replied said gogeta was toying if broly. And I was like if he was toying with broly then why did he turn blue. Fanboys be saying gogeta takes his battles seriously unlike vegito who just toys with his enemies.
David Lopez i know what you meant, but if he was just super sayain he wouldn’t be able to toy since he’s not as strong as ssb. as ssb gogeta he got a major power boost, therefore toying.
r 333 but gogeta wanted to kill broly🤷🏼♂️. With super sayian, gogeta knew he couldn’t beat broly with that form. That’s why he chose to become blue so he can beat him. Thoe goku said that broly doesn’t seem like a bad guy. Plus obviously gogeta blue is op. Probably evan surpasses Beerus.
This is honestly a no brainer to me. Gogeta has Goku and Vegeta’s power, skills and experience combined and amped. It’s likely he’s beyond SSJ Blue level without even transforming. He demolished Broly, who’s said to have power beyond Beerus and the Gods of Destruction, and who’s probably just as, if not stronger than Jiren considering all the statements and showings. Whis was having the time of his life watching Gogeta fight, and even referenced how he said Goku and Vegeta could rival or even defeat Beerus if they worked together. Not ‘canon’ per se, but DB Heroes had Gogeta beat Hearts, whereas Jiren couldn’t. Jiren was even surprised and asked Gogeta why they didn’t use fusion in the tournament to win. Gogeta takes this without a doubt
If we are considering Gogeta's personality is different from Vegito then yes he would wash Jiren. If a Stronger Goku and Vegeta removes both their weaknesses, they cant be beat.
I don't know why people think that Goku surpassed his MUI form in his base, because that and Vegeta doing so as well is the only reason how Gogeta could ever surpass Goku from the Tournament.
@@uhhhidk2238 Vegito is Cocky and thats a fact. (Though Vegito is serious). Only time you EVER seen Gogeta cocky was against Omega Shenron. Everytime they fuse to Gogeta, its to get the job done period.
Kuribohchaos8 Lol vegito toyed with buu so he didn’t have to obliterate everyone he cared about, then there was nothing he could do against Zamasu. Put gogeta up against either of them and the same thing would have happened. Switch the roles in each situation, same outcome, what happens isn’t based on their personality
@@uhhhidk2238 so against Jiren in the TOP. You saying he gonna taunt Jiren? Also, it never made sense to save everyone from Super Buu since Dende was Alive. But thats a Toriyama thing
There is literally nothing that even shows that jiren or mui goku could beat gogeta. I don’t even know why people are saying that gogeta is weaker than mui goku
@@adendirie4337 well Geekdom and a few other TH-camrs already did videos on mui being stronger than fusion. Which makes sense. Other wise Goku and Vegeta could just fuse into Gogeta and beat Moro. And mui is the power of angels Gogeta doesn't have the power of angels. Maybe god of destruction tier but not angel tier.
Gogeta seems to have the advantage in my book, he never went all out against broly and basically just had fun with him. He was smiling the whole fight, I feel like broly isn’t too far off jiren despite being weaker
What from a promotional magazine , and not from the creator's mouth,how gullible are you? I mean come on Broly has a no feat that puts him above jiren.
Goku said alrdy in the movie Broly is stronger than Jiren >.> thats ToP jiren....... now... broly at this stage had NO EXPERIENCE at all lmfao... broly is clearly much more terrifying than jiren >.> if broly had just as much training and what not as jiren...... well i dont think ANYONE would be able to take him... maybe not even gogeta lmfao :O Broly just learns and gets strong Wayyyyyyyy too fast....
@@tchrono12 goku said jiren might be on the level of beerus whis says jiren is stronger then gods of destruction and thats b4 he unlocks his full power
Gogeta would demolish Jiren.. Fusion multiplier is a HUGE boost.. Higher your power is, more than multiplier effects.. For example 100,000 x 100,000 is waaaay bigger than 100 x 100. Simple math
LMAO. Jiren would get curb stomped. The Goku and Vegeta that fused are way stronger than they were during the ToP Arch. And those versions are who we are talking about fusing into Gogeta Blue. Y'all are underestimating that difference in power and how strong that Gogeta actually was. Also the fact that we never saw his full power in the movie. plus Jiren is way over hyped by people.
Marketing for the movie constantly put Broly over as the strongest opponent, while Jiren is stronger than “a god of destruction” ,Belmod. The fact Jiren lasted barely a minute in his “limit break” is form, and Goku the same with UI while Gogeta went the full distance, throwing all kinds of monstrous KI attacks without using his full power according to the light novel. Gogeta in his base form is already on par or stronger than SSJ Blue. So unless you believe that the jump from Blue to UI is larger than Base to Blue along with the fusion multiplier than any outcome other than Gogeta curbstomping Jiren you’re flat out delusional. The fact that nobody gave a fuck to mention Jiren in the movie other than the still shot of all the TOP characters. And that Broly who was once again marketed as the strongest opponent and compared to their benchmark Beerus. Not to mention the DBZ wafer stickers which have Gogeta as the strongest followed Broly, then UI Goku, then Jiren, with Beerus being unknown. All the actual proof, points to Gogeta being the strongest non angel being we’ve seen so far, with Broly coming in 2nd place. Everyone pumping up Jiren, just like they did with Hit are going to be incredibly disappointed, when Jiren, if he shows up again gets the “Heroes/Hit” treatment for real this time, and he isn’t what everyone pumped him up to be.
It was NEVER specifically stated that he was only stronger then his god of destruction. It was just stated that a god of destroy couldn't beat him, and that is a vague statement.
Well actually the jump from blue to ui is greater than base to god because goku absorbed god into his base. Also go watch the fucking fight again because goku fuckin threw a kaioken times 20 spirit bomb at jiren, and this guy *glares* away the spirit bomb. Fast forward many episodes and power ups and THEN he goes full power.
Also Gogeta didn’t want to kill broly until the last kamahamaha when he realized broly wouldn’t stop unless he did. I’m sure Gogeta blue could’ve easily killed him if he wanted to at first. He was playing with him
Gogeta blue annihilates jiren no difficulty frieza states in the dbs broly novels that no being in existence can defeat broly which includes jiren and just to remind you the broly novels are the movie written in words so it’s 100% canon
Davis Okeke did you forget that Frieza can’t sense ki, so he couldn’t really tell how powerful Jiren or UI Goku were? We’re just going to ignore that detail? Okay.
@@crimtheidiotgenius3694 >cant sense ki >senses brolys latent ability >can't sense broly power n tell if he's done or not >states "ur battle power is astounding"
Wafflez he didn’t sense Broly’s latent ability, he had a vague idea of his power due to the readings from Cheelai’s scouter. Plus, the “your battle power is astonishing” quote is after Broly laid into him for an hour.
So has no one read the CBS Broly light novel? In which it is confirmed that As I broly is the most powerful fighter in the universe, placing him above MUI goku and therefore above jiren. Why has no one mentioned this?
Broly is the strongest mortal, Goku & Vegeta had to hold back in tournament of power. With broly they didn't, they flew and still didn't break any barriers. Gogeta will defeat Jiren tho, obviously. Kinda surprised Vegeta didn't go Royal Blue vs Broly. Also, goku ONLY hit Ultra Instinct due to other people's energy that he absorbed. Jiren didn't hold back ... he tried to kill Goku friends and they clearly stated that he ONLY cared about himself.
bluntsANDfame false, Goku achieved Ultra Instinct in a last ditch effort to survive the spirit bomb. He used the spirit bomb as a temporary source of energy since at that point he was already spent. This is specifically said by characters in the sideline. Also, Jiren is stronger than Broly and it’s pretty much confirmed that Jiren is stronger than the gods of destruction. You said that Goku and Vegeta had to hold back because of the rules in the ToP, but that goes both ways.
@@bluntsANDfame that's a terrible argument. Every one was holding back in the tournament, including Jiren and as you just mentioned Goku and Vegeta didn't even use ssjb kaioken or ssjbe on Broly and Jiren took on both of those forms and android 17 while suppressed and holding back. You're also using a promo statement for Broly which is invalid as it didn't come from anyone important. Also Broly is only maybe stronger than Beerus while suppressed Jiren is pretty much confirmed to be stronger than all the Gods of destruction let alone full power limit breaker Jiren.
MUI narrowly got by Jiren after taking some hard shots and Jiren took 0 damage from Goku Kaio Ken, Vegeta Blue Evolution and 17. It be close but end of day I don’t see Jiren losing this one
Eric Kdawg goku and vegeta were stated to be stronger than ever in the movie by Toriyama and toyatoro in the manga. They directly addressed the movie meaning movie ssb goku> ui goku and ssb vegeta> ssbe vegeta. Now this goku and vegeta get surpassed by base gogeta since he held his own against ssj broly unlike the ssb‘s who got clapped in a 2v1. All of this tells u that Jiren=
tAsTe DiVinE fUry MUI is up there with Whis so obv would mop Gogeta..MUI and Jiren were back n forth until he tried to kill Goku’s friends. Argument over
I think Gogeta wins. I feel that Gogeta/Vegito are the perfect warrior. Years of training, fighting, experience, and Saiyan instinct with the two most powerful Saiyan's ever just makes fusions so strong.
Goku + Broly fusion would MURDER Gogeta/Vegito. One sided battle. Same for Goku + Jiren fusion, which is most likely even stronger than the Broly fusion. But both of those would TOY around Gogeta/Vegito.
@@SilenceStabber Strongest fusion would have to be Gohan + Broly, at least it would be if gohan trained a little but still the potential that fusion has is insane.
I was thinking of this too during the Tournament of Power, but it makes sense that Goku and Vegeta will want to fight Jiren on their own rather than taking the easy way out like fusions. Fight-wise, I think that it'll be a so-so match. SDBH episode 19 acknowledges the idea, where Jiren asked Gogeta on why his fusee's never did this in the ToP.
Indeed. It's funny how quickly people forget the basics from the Buu arc - Goku and Vegeta at their best were fodder to Buuhan, once they fused Vegito was mopping the floor with the same Buuhan while fooling around and not being even remotely close to his best. Then there are also Goten and Trunks who by themselves were complete fodder, while after fusion Gotenks was able to challenge Super Buu.
tAsTe DiVinE fUry what does the Manga have to do with a theoretical fight between someone from the ANIME and another from a MOVIE? We all know Manga continuity is different!
ManontheMoon55 5 doesn’t matter. The manga directly referred to the movie since there isn’t anything else anyways lmao🤷🏾♂️ so yeah that didn’t debunk anything
Whis himself said that “if Goku and Vegeta” ever work together... they’d be stronger than Beerus. We can interpret that in many ways. So the question is... is Jiren stronger than Beerus? We don’t know the answer to that.
There's been numerous guides and statements in the show itself saying jiren slaps gods. Beerus (in the anime) was like one of the weakest gods of destruction (since they don't know who the mortal stronger than a god is, while also knowing the god of destruction suspecting to have one), and jiren's HEAT was apparently gonna decimate Universe 11. You can't really do that unless if you're astronomically more powerful. That was his full power, we haven't even dove deeper into limit breaker.
Also I think SSB gogeta is stronger than MUI goku . Yes broly was taking punishment but at the end of the fight the director made it clear as day that gogeta wasn’t even being serious about the fight . That’s why when gogeta took that funny looking stance and threw his arms up and and down they had a clear shot of Brolys face lookin worried because broly knew he couldn’t keep up . Even when they clashed fists and the grown melted another detail they added was when brolys fist flew back while gogeta kept moving forward. Gogeta blue is stronger than MUI.
People tend to get confuse about fusion dance. People say it’s weak cuz they say Goku has to drop his energy to match vegeta. Yes he does but that doesn’t effect the final product. Goku does that cuz for fusion dance to work Side A had to be completely symmetrical to side B. But once it’s done right it takes ALL of Gokus dormant power and combines it with all of Vegetas dormant power and multiplies it. There isn’t any amount of power left out just because you seen Goku dropped his energy. This was shown when Trunks dropped his energy to match Goten yet Gotenks still had all their power and even more
Gogeta blue wins. Gogeta never seems to be using his full power in any fight similar to how Beerus did not use his full power against Goku. Though Jiren was brought to his knees, used full power, then went beyond his limits in ToP.
Saying that Jiren is stronger than Gogeta Blue is like saying that Jiren is stronger than a Goku SSB, with a base form that's already as strong as his post-ToP SSB. And even that still falls in comparison to Gogeta's power🤷♂️
@@tastedivinefury2198 I don't mind him doing that but bringing this blatant Jiren fanboy called MJ to every VS video is just ridiculous. He's biased as hell.
@@_Seru_ Fr you wanna bring a jiren fanboy bring in a Gogeta Fanboy and let geekdom be unbiased I dont mind these vids but I dont think he should be power scaling it's too biased in too many vids
" “Frankly, the enemy Goku and co. are up against in this movie is the strongest.” GOOGLE this quote and watch the source pop up. Its confirmed by the creators that Broly is the strongest fighter Goku and Vegeta have ever faced. Gogeta played around with Broly even before he went blue. Gogeta is more powerful than Jiren and MUI Goku. I don't know why there are so many people in denial........?????
Honestly. As cool and as strong as UI Goku is. Hes still below the power potential of Gogeta. So... how would UI come into play as Gogeta? Or even SSB Evolved that Vegeta created. The issue with UI on Gogeta is that you have *two* people and their own respective instincts potentially clashing.
@@mostlyjovial6177 No, Gogeta is one person. Not saying I'm correct, just my opinion. Gogeta was def goin to kill Broly and that conflicts with how Goku felt about Broly all together. Gogeta is not one or the other, he is a fusion between both, his own person.
@@shockvalue5086 well to be fair the real reason gogeta didn’t defuse in 5 mins is because vegito whent blue at the start we’re as gogeta gradually weren’t up a step but vegito used big attacks like the final kamehameha and that energy punch were as gogeta used energy attacks that didn’t drain energy and only used his big attacks at the end so I guess goku and vegeta learnt there lesson
@@shockvalue5086 and maybe because at the time of dbs broly they had mastered the blue form so it probably would drain much less energy we’re-as when goku and vegeta were fighting goku black and zamasu they had not mastered the blue form so maybe a good point aswell
So now y’all are saying jiren is only stronger than some gods but, back then y’all were saying he’s stronger than all gods😂. I can’t take y’all serious no more. Gogeta>MUI>Broly>jiren. And please don’t bash me.
Jiren has a few advantages over a blue fusion, he has no fusion time limit to worry about nor does it seem like he is using a transformation and thus doesn't have any worry of potential stamina drain. Speed wise he matched UI Goku and even got a one handed beam to overcome the UI Kamehameha so his direct ki was on par. Gogeta Blue I believe will have stronger Ki since UI mostly effects reflex speed and the fusion combines two peoples Ki who actually fought a lot longer during the TOP than Jiren who skipped half of it and still lost stamina to the point that even Golden Freezia could feel confident enough to taunt him.
Whis once said something like "if you two work together there is no one cant beat, including beerus"....when Whis saw Gogeta he said "ohhh, looks like you two can work together".....suggests to me that Gogeta Blue is gonna take the W here....
Lol beating goku blue kkx20 with a glare?? Eliminating hit so easily? Time skip not even working on him? Fighting 2 SSB at the same time? Stopping SSG goku with one finger? Power beyond time in his sepressed state??? Stopping a blue kkx20 spirit bomb with no effort?? Aren't these enough? Jiren was nerfed later though
@@commentstealer4460 no. That isn’t enough. That’s no comparison to GoD’s considering blue Goku surpassed suppressed jiren later in the ToP and broly movie goku blue is apparently getting closer to god level and not there yet. So much so that broly, the strongest antagonist in history, is comparable to beerus/ there’s contention between the two (atm cause I’m pretty sure it’ll follow the manga). Suppressed jiren gets one shotted by beerus
Yov Soto I know right? How silly to think that a character with multiple feats of infinite and 4th dimensional physical stats could defeat one that doesn’t have any feats that are even near that level.
Lionel Messi Broli was stated by Toriyama himself to be stronger than anybody Goku and Vegeta had faced and Gogeta WAS PLAYING with Broli until he was about to KILL HIM with that kamehameha . You all don’t know what you’re talking about I’m sorry Jiren or UI Goku are not stronger than Gogeta who is A FUSION OF GOKU . Smh silliness.
1: freiza golden was no match for gogeta base form and freiza was able to harm jiren 2: gogeta ssj 1 was far more powerful then ssgss 3: broly surpasses gogeta in ssj1 4: gogeta in ssgss after ssj 1 was just like goku's kaioken ssj 1 > ssj2 > ssj3 > ssg > ssgss 5: if vegeta and gokus iq level is 130 then gogeta's is 260 and iq matter in fight 6: gogeta took no time to transform in ssgss. now tell me other reference.
its simple... Jiren would get stomped on by gogeta.... i dunno why people even CONSIDER thinking goku in UI is as strong as Gogeta... much less Stronger ....... UI is the mastery of one self which means its not automatic dodges... its not godly boosts of strength or w.e its simply their max potential at that given time..... kinda like SS4 In GT is.....and its their body doing the work not their brain which slows down their reaction and speed and strength in general... as whis explained to them while training with them...... Goku fusing with Vegeta make Gogeta... which is MULTIPLICATION OF THEIR MAX POWER >.> which is past blue... aka Goku UI and Vegeta's Blue Evo.... so tell me again............ UI Goku and Jiren stronger than Gogeta? I dont think so......
tchrono one ui does give a substantial boost in power look at goku vs kefla two I see your a dub watcher ultra instinct is the removal of thought in a fight meaning goku doesn’t need to think to attack his body reacts to the moves without that thought if gogeta vs mui goku he would lose
@@shockvalue5086 Yes but dosn't mean goku is stronger than a fusion which is not only stronger than their max individual .... but that power is ADDED and Multiplied.... there is no way in any universe UI Goku is stronger than Gogeta under any circumstance XD
I think you two, should do an updated video. Now that Vegeta has Spirit control and Forced Spirit Fission, I think an argument can be made that the Vegeta side of the fusion can keep them fused for far longer periods of time, regardless of the strength of the attacks. In addition, Goku now can turn on, at the minimum, UI omen. So you are talking about a version of Gogeta Blue, we haven't seen yet.
“Power isn’t everything”
Jiren wants to know your location
LMAO!
😂😂😂
Jiren Nurmagomedov
@HENTAI HENTAI its not like jiren is immune to Ssb
@HENTAI HENTAI gogeta blue is stronger lol
jiren: you can't beat me
Goku: alright Vegeta get the bat and hit me in the back of the head as hard as you can so i can go UI
Lmfao your comment funny af
Jiren was actually kicking MUI ass until plot came lol
@@TaybeenTrill248 yo you ok i think vegeta missed goku with the bat and hit you instead
@@j.a.g816 💀💀💀
Devante For The Shaolin Carter lmao no he was not it was even until hired tried to kill all the universe 7 competitors
Tbh it looked to me like Gogeta was toying with Broly
Roddy Shikatekime
As someone who’s seen the movie twice, I agree. It definitely looked like Gogeta was toying with Broly yet he _still_ slapped him to a ridiculous degree.
Broly isnt even above god of destructions and gogeta is so of course he shitted on broly
king bevan1
We don’t know for sure just how powerful Broly is compared to a God of Destruction. We only have Goku’s statement to go on.
So would Jiren
Same right?!
Whis to Goku and Vegeta: If u two work together, then u might have a chance against Lord Beerus.
Whis in Broly movie: Well look at that, u two can work together.
@@DragonBallScaler Whis said this after Goku and Vegeta obtained the ability to become SSB but saiyans being saiyans, Goku and Vegeta agreed that they would want to defeat Beerus individually rather than as a team. Plus, Whis said that they could have a CHANCE of fighting him toe to toe but a victory was not assured.
@@nowornever2003 bro some people say that whis said if they combine they can defeat beerus and some people say that if goku and vegeta in their super saiyan blue still they are weaker than beerus
@@DragonBallScaler True. I believe both types of fusions would lose, Beerus is simply a beast
@@nowornever2003 yeah bro
@@nowornever2003 no, beerus would lose. Its factual
gogeta blue vs jiren
And the WINNER IS...
Toei animation
Jiren*
@@graysonred470 If you didn't get the joke, well now you know it is a joke.
Booooring
Its safe to say Gogeta Blue would win, I mean he can also use Kaioken if he needed it or should be able to use SSJB evolution. UI Gogeta would be OP for Jiren.
J Adams he literally wins in base tho?
> *Strongest mortal*
Broly fans are typing, raging more than Broly did in the movie
Ultra Instinct Goku Exactly lol
*plot armor*
I'm a farmer with a shotgun fan and I'm absolutely fucking livid
@@Takemura77 that's what goku and vegeta has... GOGETA AND FUSION TECHNIQUE IS EXACTLY PLOT ARMOR!
Took jiren a long time to get to that level tho. Broly got to the tier just in a single day
Broly needs a week or two under an angel and he gains power higher than jiren did in decades
It's tough because in Super you had some of the most powerful characters limited to tournament rule restrictions. Hit was able to 'grow' during his fight with Goku even at SS Blue + Kaio-Ken times 10. Goku wanted the rules lifted because Hit wasn't able to use his most powerful/deadliest attack as an assassin. Yet right after the Future Trunks/Goku Black/Zamasu Arc, Goku was "killed" by Hit in one strike.
Tournament of Power Jiren was kind of in the same boat, sure he could have EASILY squashed everyone if he chose to (minus UI/Mastered UI Goku to an extent). However, he couldn't kill anyone due to the rules; despite that one blast sent to destroy Goku's friends but that got swept under the rule as a rule violation if you ask me.
Honestly, it's a tough call if you ask me...
Yeah true, killer intent can end fights b4 they really get hairy.
Someone tried to tell me
"Since broly lasted hours, his stamina would outlast jiren"
And idk about that, the arctic battle had no rules but the t.o.p did.
For all we know, when jiren gets mad, he could be the guy that tears heads off and legit TRIES killing u.
Many killing techniques jiren could've used or could have weren't allowed, so we don't know how he gets down when no rules are involved.
It's like saying Captain america(who can fight for days) can beat the SENTRY in a flat out fight.
Stamina means nothing if u DIE b4 u can use it👍🏽
As we know gogeta power is not only combined but significantly magnified now let’s mention hit was able to kill goku super sayain blue that is impressive but Broly was able to to clap two blues vegeta and goku but it is not really clear since Broly has the most potential remember he was able to copy most of their attacks he is learning as he fights that’s why gogeta had to finish Broly but Broly has very unmatched potential I’ve seen a fananimation
Broly was ssb in fananimation that is not cannon but if Broly pushed himself so far he basically surpassed beerus As soon as he hit ss3 Broly has so much potential and Jiren but Broly was born with a power level of 10,000 jiren was probably way lower goku was 2 but he still surpassed Broly if goku started from 2 then Broly is probably 1/10 of his his true power and if he went berserk and super sayain that is not really the true power of Broly
Never thought I’d see the haves and have nots on a dragon ball video. Interesting
Facts
Broly was getting stomped by Gogeta, Gogeta never went full strength and was just testing him during the movie. Just because it wasn't a ohko doesn't mean it was a close fight or even competitive.
Martin McCormick
Very true
Broly Lssj= Gogeta dbs ssj maximum ssj2 anything above is rape to broly
Martin McCormick we don’t know if he was using his full power or not because remember the fusion dance only last for 30 mins and if they use a powerful form it decreases the time. Remember what happen to vegito. The potara didn’t last an hour because ssb was too powerful so it decreased the time. Obviously he had to finish beating up broly fast before the time runs out.
Broly was eating Gogeta's attacks. Plus if you pay attention to the novel for Broly DBS, it stated Gogeta showed a hint of his true power. While it wasn't directly quantified, it's still not exactly playing around either.
@@negie78000 boy stfu gogeta was smirking da whole time
“Strongest fusion gogeta vs strongest mortal jiren”
*Cries in vegito and ultra instinct goku*
No
He means by the fact that gogeta showed up later than Vegito with a more powerful Goku and Vegeta. Not that gogeta is more powerful in general.
Nah Bro I think Gogeta trumps Vegito
@Eddie Austin thats from vjump who also said cooler who got stomped by ssj grade 1 goku was over 5x stronger than gogeta. That guide is about as credible as heroes.
@@abpajotte potara gives more power as stated repeatedly in universe and by guides.
Vegito is stronger but gogeta is more popular.
That's a fight I would love to see at some point. Jiren was such an animal in the ToP.
Naruto Explained yeah see...broly movie goku slaps 😬
I agree with you on that a much anticipated matchup in the series. Also Broly hasn't tapped into his potential god abilities and was a novice fighter. I do believe when he gets trained better and can harness that power he will be hard to beat by either. I also believe Jiren is definitely stronger than beerus as is MUI Kakarot. He "Goku" definitely knew what he was saying when he was comparing him to lord beerus. Don't forget they always surpass the deities eventually and beerus is no exception. King Kai, Grand Kai, and Supreme Kai were all stronger and got eclipsed by Goku. Also Naruto explained is a dope channel been subbed for awhile fam keep doing what you do.
qball464 goku has no clue how strong beerus is lmao but yeah he should actually be stronger than beerus in base since ep 123 🗿
My boy
Martin Ramirez lemme explain. Jiren in ep 110 was suppressed and was still called a mortal that is stronger than a GoD(belmod who is stronger than Beerus in the anime). 1st uio goku fought him equally till he ran out of power. Now goku in ep 123 in base form fights a powered up version of the same jiren who’s supposed to be stronger than belmod suppressed..jiren hits him with the strongest attack goku ever felt and goku still has enough energy left to go blue afterwards. This would put goku at least at the same level of not stronger than 1st uio goku(and hes not the only one since 17 and vegeta did the same) in base form meaning
Ep123 jiren>>>base goku>ep110 jiren>=1st uio goku>belmod>Beerus.
Or 123 goku>>>>Beerus 🤷🏾♂️
Golden meta cooler still has me laughing. The boy malfunctioned during his fight
Should've went with android instead...smh amateur
Golden Metal Cooler is ironically one of the strongest characters right now, and it was scrapped and didn't appear again in the anime, lmao.
Lmao
what?! Fu trapped him in the Big Gete Star
It’s not like Cooler turn him into a Metal
I didn't say metal for a reason
Dokkan arts: exists
Dragon ball TH-camrs: It's free real estate
Db legends has better art
Yup, but dokkan got the better animation.
YaBoi Shrek Better animations on super attacks. Legends has better animation overall. Every character has a unique fighting style and has a nice basic combat. Dokkans basic attacks are lame
Khang Nguyen yet legends is down in the dumps and dokkan is at the highest grossing gatcha game
I personally think that it's kinda hard to power scale when it comes to Jiren because he literally ate EVERYTHING that anyone threw at him until Goku mastered UI. Jiren one shotted SSBE Vegeta as well, he literally mopped everybody with little to no effort. So idk
Dont underestimate fusion
Thatbeing said 17 injured jiren.and he was only around blue level
Ultra Instinct Jiren idk if he would kill but if jiren would that might be a different story.
I made jiren take a nap for a while Android 17 caught Jiren off guard when he was relaxed
He took the full power of MUI and still bounced back beasting Goku, Frieza and 17. Jiren's stronger than ssjb Gogeta because if he toom it he would have been diffused.
Someone call Toei so we can see this hypothetical fight animated with Shintani's art because that would be Epic. As the my answer I honestly can't tell for certain who would come out the winner.
Gogeta because of sales and it's gok u
Gogeta would wash jiren
@@yinnacle9885 well your stupid and didnt watch the video I gues
@@lokeytombs1591 But you cant even use the right your lmao.
@@yinnacle9885 you still didnt watch the video and" you're" still stooopid
Even then, Jiren was able to throw hands with MUI which goes to show how powerful Jiren is.
D.B.H. should get the Donkey of the Day for how they did Jiren
You can’t take hero’s serious
Tony Brown heroes isn’t canon so it doesn’t count and I mean cmon people heroes is LITERALLY a promotional anime with the sole purpose of selling the dB heroes cards of the characters they show in the episode (harts, cumber, cumber ssj, golden cooler and golden metal cooler), it is not meant to be taken seriously
I don't fucking understand how all these Gogeta fanbois think Gogeta is MUI Goku level and somehow claps Jiren. I'm convinced that Geekdom had to pretend it was completely equal because his earlier poll revealed that around 80% of his fans think Gogeta wins. He just didn't want flack for it.
@@FlamboyantInsomniac Nah bro Gogeta was beating jiren , and im a Vegitotard
@@youravictim38 and how did you get to that conclusion?
It's important to remember Gogeta, as the fusion of battle-hungry lunatics, was having the time of his life during that entire battle. If he was deadset bloodlusted as a Super Saiyan Blue he would've straight up killed Broly and done so much quicker than the battle we saw, otherwise Frieza (who Base Gogeta would creampie) would've died in seconds rather than last an hour as Broly's punching bag.
It's reasonable to conclude that MUI Goku and Jiren were fighting at a level Broly never reached, but there's no way of knowing how much stronger Gogeta was than Broly once he went Blue so all that can be said for sure is that current Blue fusions are at Episode 130 levels of power.
Eldritch Interface That’s had canon as fuck. “Current Ssb fusion are episode 130 levels of power” also if we’re going by the novel they said that Gogeta used a hint of his full power fighting Broly. Hidden Power Jiren was fighting on par with Mui Goku until he tried killing his friends. Jiren stomps, until proving otherwise.
Same. Cause it's post tournament of power goku and vegeta. Plus idk about the kamehameha thing. That kameha looked like it was gonna end broly and it wasn't full power cause if it was then they would've defused right after but they defused off screen which means they can produce something that strong either without going all out or go all out and still be able to continue.
Idk I just feel like Gogeta was playing around in that match
Creampie ahahaha?
I sometimes wonder if people didn't see the same movie I did. After Gogeta goes blue, Broly couldn't even hit him ONCE. He didn't connect a single blow or ki blast, and was totally dominated by Gogeta, who didn't even looked like he was 100% serious either.
What’s crazy is that jiren went back to trainning and he trainning with Egg man so he’s probably stronger now and that angel girl but we all know they are going to nerf him let’s be honest ppl
So y’all are saying MUI puts Goku above Gogeta blue in terms of power? I don’t know how I feel about that.
Makes sense, MUI Goku fought someone above all the Gods of Destruction, and Gogeta who fought someone Gods of Destruction teir
@@kiryuthedragonwarrior2746 but Gogeta completely handled broly. Didn’t even really have to try at all. That’s the thing. Gogeta is leagues above broly so it’s not a good measure of his strength.
Mui goku is easily stronger than gogeta blue and vegito blue, i would say imo the blue fusions would lose to full power jiren unless they go kaioken
@@RecruitedAndrew we need to see more of both of them IMO
MUI completely shits on gogeta
it's always rough to power scale fused characters because we rarely see their full power, both vegito and gogeta. personally i say gogeta only because we dont know the cap of his power, but we've seen jiren's but that doesn't knock jiren because i'm sure too many hits from full power jiren will sit gogeta down so it definitely is a tough one
No a few powerfull punches wont beat gogeta tf. Jiren punched goku and vegeta so many times but they still got up
I believe that was because of plot. A base form weakened Vegeta took a energy powered Jiren fist and didn't die somehow
Nothingtoseehere jiren wasn’t fighting to kill so he obviously held back when he had control
@@flexartistry when he was fighting mui goku it looked like he wanted to kill goku
Devanplays I said when he was in control. Plus MUI Goku could definitely take a hit from jiren at full power and vegeta beaten and battered wouldnt
Gb smokes Jiren down into the ground like a punk. The way he smacked broly with ease says it all. He didn’t even try once he was fused.
Crypto elf right idk what movie these guys watched but they need to rewatch gogeta blue never even went full power and broly still couldnt land a single blow on him and broly was supposed to be beerus level lol. Gogeta blue would slap mui and jiren honestly.
.. Gogeta toys with broly like a cat smacking a mouse around. Its simply a game at that level and he is in a whole different tier. Broly is completely outclassed and confused bc nothing is effective even at his max power. ...to many jiren fanboys
Crypto elf I am a huge jiren fanboy and I can still admit gogeta blue would beat him lol. Gogeta blue would beat mui goku too in my personal opinion. If he can beat a beerus-level fighter ( broly ) with ease without even going full power how would he ever lose to jiren and mui goku? It might be a close fight but he probably beats them both
Yea and Jiren is stronger than Broly, gogeta took sometime to beat him
Gogeta blue is whis level why u people cant understand when two ssb fuse their energy not just add up but becomes 4x
Gogeta guys.. SSB Gogeta wasn't going ALL OUT on Broly. I think Gogeta would take out Jiren, but with pretty high difficult though. If SSB Gogeta can use Kaioken, its over. Low difficulty.
Facts
I think Jiren is stronger than Gogeta Blue, but yes, Gogeta Blue Kaioken could humiliate everyone, lmao.
Gogeta needs a full 30 mins to beat jiren..I dont think the fusion would last that long
@@chad22345 ?
Gogeta was going all out on Broly, He had to go SSJB to start doing any real damage. A SSJ God Broly would put Gogeta to shame tho
Gogeta always looking like he isn't even using one third of his power so I mean.....
its been stated in the manga that broly made gogeta use a hint of his power
@@itsnimbus and it's also been stated that suppressed jiren, the one that was pushing back the spirit bomb with his eyes, was at the level of GoD. Not saying suppressed jiren is stronger than beerus, however, when jiren begins to show hints of his true power in episode 123 it's confirmed that when jiren uses that much power he's >>> belmod. And belmod beat beerus in arm wrestling, so...
@@stardust6762 his ep 123 self isn't stronger than belmod though.
G.o.d. toppo was stronger than ep 123/124 jiren and vegeta ssb evo was stronger than that.
And in ep 123 belmod says its been some time since jiren used this much power, not that jiren surpassed him with that much power.
If anything FP jiren/ep 127 multi aura jiren is stronger than Belmod.
In ep 123 jiren uses a *Hint of his true power*
Gogeta used a *Hint of his true power* against broly as well.
@@moonemoji101 Lmao GoD Toppo was not stronger than 123 Jiren, what are you smoking? Evo Vegeta could do absolutely nothing to 123 Jiren.
My money’s on Gogeta. If a SSJ2 Kefla can kill Omen Goku, I’m pretty sure a much stronger Gogeta Blue would stomp.
Same
LEGO Sidious good
First of all, UI Omen Goku that fought Kefla was much weaker than Kefla. He had untouchable defense but UI Omen Goku couldn't hurt Kefla, but when he first hit Jiren the third time, he hurt Jiren, and a supressed Jiren stomps Kefla.
So if ssj2 kefla can kill ui goku why did she lose then
king bevan1 because goku’s hits got stronger in the same fight I think that guy forgot about that lol
My thing with this is how can Goku by himself be able to beat him with ultra instant but gogeta who is a combination of both vegeta and goku and has knowledge of both their technology not be able to beat him? We still don't know how strong gogeta is.
Thank u people keep sucking mui and jiren but they not thinking logically
And with Jared they make him look so unstoppable but he just unstoppable when in that tournament he watched while goku and vegeta fought the whole time. He was fresh while goku and vegeta got pushed to their limits throughout the tournament. No one looks at that either
Jiren I mean darn auto correct
Thank you facts
Thanks because everyone saying jiren is stronger then gogeta and broly because jiren was like beating up mui goku until mui goku became enraged
I think El Hermano would beat both easily even if they team up
How about el Shaggy?😉
Gohan blanco has something to say to both of them
His not even cannon dumbo -_-
@@shaggygaming4612 even shaggy rojo bro
Lmao
Failed to bring up that jiren is more than likely training aswell after the ToP not just vegeta and goku. So looking at it that way jiren would be even more powerful than from the end of the ToP!!!
Still an interesting debate nonetheless.
AppropriateAdam, I'm glad there's people out there that just enjoys Dragonball without being hateful, peace friend 🙂👍
AppropriateAdam yeah but we don’t know how strong jiren might be post top so we can’t really compare him
Brendan Kelly hard to find these days lol all I see Is arguments over who’s stronger instead of just enjoying the series
LOW_DTEZ these arguments are just another way for some people to enjoy the series
AppropriateAdam yeah people tend to forget that they think only goku and Vegeta train and Jiren is sleeping no he’s training what if he tapped into god ki or even UI by training with his angel if either bye bye Gogeta and goku he would be close to angel level. Also Jiren couldn’t kill so power was still withheld.
Cooler: I am the strongest in the universe!
Jiren: You were saying?
Gogeta: You both were saiyan?
Farmer w shotgun: Y’all were saying
King Dragon gamer mr Satan: yalllll were sayain
@@whymustyoudisagree9158 mr popo:PECKING ORDER
The rabbit enters the comment section everyone becomes a carrot
MUI Goku: You were all saying?
Me thinking: Mj is a jiren fanboy
*2 seconds later*
Geekdom: They're gonna think you're a jiren fanboy
Lol
10:50 Jiren Is Faster. I conclude this from what vados says in TOP “Jiren Posses The Power To Transcend Time Itself.”
But gogeta broke a fabric in time, also goku and vegeta's bases from the TOP have significantly increased over time
Habib Art Who’s to say that the battle between MUI Goku and LB Jiren wouldn’t have broken the fabric of reality if they were in a regular setting outside the world of void
Joel Arbelo you are speaking facts finally someone body who understands
@@classicaljo5320 for real
Joel Arbelo still not a good judgement on power, base off of setting. It’s like saying Buu and Gotenks are the strongest beings since they ripped a hole in a room that’s considered to be infinite in time and space.
But back to the arguments on power scaling for Broly, Gogeta, Jiren, and why not let’s include UI Goku.
Based off of the movie, post tournament of power SSB Goku was trading blows with that Hybrid Oozaru form Broly.
Then of course with Broly’s dad dying he went Super Saiyan.
*Now this is where you can properly power scale the characters...*
_Keep in mind Jiren was stated to be stronger than all the GoDs in the anime and then it was confirmed through an outside source. In addition, we don’t know the jump in power from SBB to omen to UI._
We saw Base Gogeta match SS Broly.
*SS Broly >> SSB Goku* _(no argument here.)
Then SS Gogeta pushes Broly to go LSS. We already know the multipliers for *Super Saiyan* so these guys are basically far above a SSBK20 Goku.
In LSS, Broly definitely bested a SS Gogeta. (I’m not gonna make an argument here saying Gogeta could’ve beat broly in SS...that’s impossible mainly due to time.)
But with this in mind, both LSS Broly and SSB Gogeta are well above the common knowledge of power. Now, from this point on we are basically making speculations and a bunch of head canon.
But, there are still some people who want to argue the power scaling, because obviously the jump from SS to SSB or SS to LSS is an enormous power multiplier.
Unfortunately you still can’t say whose stronger, and that’s because the multiplier for Jiren and UI Goku was never made clear. Yes Jiren is stronger than the GoDs, and UI Goku somewhat bested a full power Jiren, (putting those two above the power of the GoDs).
But then what about Broly and Gogeta?
Those multipliers aren’t normal multipliers because Oozaru Hybrid form Broly= SBB Goku, and then base Gogeta came in fighting SS Broly, till he took it up to SS and was basically walking Broly.
I might’ve wasted your time, but hopefully this gets rid of all the head canon when people say Jiren is stronger than SSB Gogeta and Broly. The correct answer is... we don’t know.
But keep up with the Manga because if Moro licks UI like he is doing with omen rn then we basically can confirm Broly and Gogeta were in fact leagues ahead of UI Goku and Jiren.
Reply w/ any big VS battles you'd like MJ and I to discuss. Thank you as always for your continued support:
UI Broly vs UI Kefla
Has SSJ3 Vegito vs SSJ God Goku already been resolved?
Cell vs old movie Broly
Geekdom101 I think the strongest is Vegeth/Vegito/Vegeku/VegeCarrot
Powered up Arale vs 17
We seen Jiren at full max power in the TOP and Gogeta Blue was nowhere near his peak power against Broly, you cats need to really keep that in mind. Jiren is a beast and insanely powerful and so is Gogeta. And how do any of us know that Gogeta doesn't have the ability to combine Kaioken x20 and SSB Evolution, we know for sure that Gogeta can use either one and he might be able to use both. If that's the case this discussion and debate is definitely over.
Dude i don't think gogeta would need kk on top of blue... He was rag dolling fp broly after going blue so gogeta blue is as strong as fp jiren if not above him.... Had gogeta blue not being on the level of mui goku... Goku in heroes wouldn't even have asked vegeta to fuse as he wasn't able to go ultra Instinct at that moment
You do realize a ssb evolution x20 kaioken gogeta would literally last 2 seconds. They would straight up die from the energy overflow when they unfuse
Fred Brooks ssbkk and evolved are anime forms while in the manga they have perfected blue which is par against ssbkk/evolved. In the anime gogeta should be able to do that. But in the dbs broly movie it represents the manga, so thats why we didn’t see gogeta use ssbkk or evolved because those forms don’t exist in the manga.
well if thats the case then you'd have to say that gogeta is even powerful than MUI Goku
Which is a crazy thing to say when it is a form not even Gods can acheive it easily
A fusion is pretty strong but definately not powerful than Gods of destruction level
MUI>Gogeta at full power
As Jiren grabs the fist of a KaokenX20 Evolution Gogeta, & talks about how interesting Saiyans are.
Gogeta Blue isn't the strongest fusion. Toriyama said at this point in the story, there is no difference in power between Gogeta and Vegito. They're both the strongest, it's just the difference on how they get to that fusion.
That's True
The difference just time in the vison
Fusion**
Gogeta doesnt eat away at his time limit depending on the amount of power he uses while Vegito does.
But Gogeta's fusion can fail, while Vegito's fusion never fails. I think Gogeta has risk, but payoff is better fusion than Vegito.
I still think that SSJB Gogeta is stronger than UI Goku. SSJ Broly was wiping the floor with a POST TOURNAMENT OF POWER SSJB GOKU AND VEGETA, and BASE Gogeta was able to keep up SSJ Broly, which means Base Gogeta is potentially just as strong as Post-Tournament of Power SSJB Goku and Vegeta. The fact that Gogeta is THAT powerful in just his base form is fucking insane. Let’s not forget that SSJ Gogeta and SSJ Broly managed to rip apart dimensions before they even reached their full power. The fact that Gogeta has that many feats before he even reached SSJB is INSANE, so therefore SSJB Gogeta is more than likely stronger than Jiren and UI Goku. Don’t get me wrong, Jiren and UI Goku are ridiculously strong, but the combination of power from both a Post-Tournament of Power SSJB Goku and Vegeta, as well as the absurd feats Gogeta already had before he even reached SSJB, definitely makes him stronger imo.
@R J 👍yea kids don’t know how fusion works. Fusion multiples the power level of two fighters into one but seems people don’t understand that🤷🏼♂️
YE gogeta
is for sure stronger.
Yeah i think Gogeta would not ever need blue to beat Limit-breaker Jiren just SSG full power lol.
Sure kids don't understand how fusion works
Fusion gets the power multiplied by 2x of the characters used as tributes for the fusion works like that
Vegeta + Goku at their full strength make Gogeta that means
Gogeta base=SSB goku + SSB Vegeta x2
= Rival Jiren
Gogeta SSJ=SSB ascended Vegeta + Goku SS blue kkx20 x2= Jiren pushed into a corner = Can't be able to beat Gogeta at this point
Gogeta SSG red=Goku UI (omen) + Vegeta UI (omen) x2= Jiren stomped = Can't be able to even lay a finger at Gogeta at this point
Gogeta SSB= MUI Goku + MUI vegeta x2= Jiren murdered dramatic finish = Which means Jiren dead
Don't forget if Goku fuses with Vegeta which Goku has UI, Vegeta gets access to UI too beacuse of Goku.
That's why it counts like that and Jiren barely beat MUI goku alone multiple times and still lost and took the L how can he beat 2 MUI at one body???? That's a f*cking joke dude and those Jiren tards need to learn about that cuz Gogeta stomps Jiren along with MUI Goku with ease lmao.
@@HolyLightofAngel I think he would need blue fp because if gogeta base is slightly stronger than blue and multiply by one million (blue is one mil times base) creates something really strong obviously gogeta wins because fp mui beat jiren limit breaker and he rage on top of that so yea gogeta would need blue fp but gogeta would win unless jiren fights them without the i tension of beating gogeta so they can defuse and then jiren wins unless goku goes mui
@@HolyLightofAngel lamo jiren baseshitgogeta blue easily
I hate when people use the defusing Gogeta argument, Gogeta isn’t Vegito. He has never shown that he prematurely will defuse because of power, except in GT which isn’t canon.
Didnt Gotenks defuse because of power? I know that was a LONG time ago but doesnt that make it still possible for the fusion dance as well
So we just gonna ignore the same thing happening to gotenks?
They’re also kids tho with smaller bodies and much weaker than goku and vegeta
Brokkan Games that still doesn’t change the fact that he was a character with certain power reserves who used his power too recklessly and defused. You trying to call gotenks weak when he was stronger than ss3 goku. Them being children doesn’t change the fundamentals of the fusion
Raimondo Lukasha Gotenks didn’t defuse because of power, literally just reread the manga and that wasn’t stated. He was beating Buu, and then went to base form cause he couldn’t sustain his ssj3 form(not having mastered it) and then went the fusion timed out a bit afterwards. But he had a long fight with Buu even before he went SSJ3 so no, Gotenks doesn’t prove anything
Oh no gogeta blue fans are typing faster then MUI Goku
SuperlaloGaming facts these virgins are in denial. MUI > gogeta and if you disagree your dumb asf
@@HH-xb8js tbh Idk ssb Gogeta is a beast
@@PyrusHeliosXX ok jiren and mui are beast sooo
@@kingbevan1993 Indeed they are but let's be honest Ssb Gogeta is op asf he was enjoying that ass whopping he gave broly.
H2144 H your a virgin to tho
if you dont remember, whis has said "when goku and vegeta fight as one, they are unbeatable" And if you havent noticed, whis is a very thorough being, when he says something he has all factors considered, factors including Jiren. It would definently be a close fight but just from the series i feel like gogeta blue has it, especially if gogeta blue can go evolutionized blue.
A very good point💯. Gogeta is the ultimate being. His base is as strong as goku ssb. The multipliers from base to even just ssj1 on gogeta would be like ssbe kkx10 goku. At this point it's just a matter of favoritism. Anybody that say jiren can beat ssb gogeta is entirely a jiren fan.
@@entertainmentvideos8973 no gogeta's base > ssb goku
@Entertainment Videos 👍 I have a feeling that a lot of fanboys don’t understand how fusion multiples the power levels of 2 fighters into one🤷🏼♂️ or they do know it but just ignore it doesn’t favor them🤷🏼♂️. Jiren fanboys says Jiren is stronger than Broly and Gogeta🤦♂️.goku fanboys say UI goku is stronger than Gogeta. It took two god ki warriors to fuse to be able to take down broly while it only took one saiyan to take down jiren. Gogeta Blue is a powerful fuse warrior. Look at kefla, she beat the shit out ssbkk, Ik she got her ass beat by UI(omen) goku but imagine her with god ki, she would’ve been unstoppable. In a promotional magazine it was stated that broly is the strongest opponent till date. Creators didn’t went back to go change it or denied that statement. They didn’t because it’s true🤷🏼♂️.
@@entertainmentvideos8973 fact even broly is stronger than jiren they stated this many times and even frieza confirmed this frieza say that broly is the strongest mortal in the multivers that nobody can't defeat him frieza know jiren he fight against jiren and he know how powerful jiren is but for him broly is even stronger
@Fo Aka this shouldn’t be a debate between UI goku or Jiren vs Gogeta. There comparing a fuse god ki warrior to a single non fuse warrior. Of course fusion will take this win. It’s fusion it multiplies two fighters powerlevel into one but newbies don’t understand that. It’s like saying kid buu being stronger than buuhan or ssj3 goku being stronger than base vegito.
6:06 Toppo stated in the manga, that Jiren is stronger than belmod.
The manga is it's own cannon though, that would be a seperate conversation
Gohan also fight kefla in the manga so I don't want to hear it the manga is its own thing
GLNK1 yet the manga is number 1
Diego Sinigaglia Number one of what?
Whis said that there was a mortal stronger than his own god of Destruction, and then followed it with "That GoD is stronger than beerus." I swear I remember that
Jiren is the most immovable object in the DB universe
*inside heartz's cube trap
Indeed, he's an object, it's about as much personality he has. Definitely not a character.
Mr. Sauceman X Backup Account gogeta is an unstoppable force however
Gogeta is an unstoppable force then, as the one person who’s never lost 😎
@@raveraidd he wasn't able to one shot Broly, so Gogeta would have lots of difficulty dealing with Jiren. Jiren will land blows on Gogeta, those are going to be heavy.
If fusion can allow goten and trunks to suddenly be as powerful as super buu, then yea, it will allow Goku and vegeta (who can already keep up with Jiren) to beat him.
If gogeta takes it seriously, then he’ll win very easily, however I have a feeling he won’t and as such he may defuse.
facts, if that scale is correct then gogeta full power wins
Right!
Ongggg
One thing that people seem that be disregarding is that there is a high percentage chance that Jiren also continued his training after the TOP which would make him even more powerful. Especially now that he realizes the value of "relying on/trusting others". On top of that, just because Goku achieved MUI doesn't mean that other characters (i.e. Jiren) can't master it as well. If Jiren mastered UI then it's game over for everyone. It's not out of the realm of possibility considering he's also a fighting genius and has witnessed the technique. End of rant lol
Oh man, Jiren with UI, somebody needs to sketch that ASAP
@@YewsFull Yes, AFTER the TOP. Fact still remains that Jiren would be training and could potentially overpower Gogeta. Not sure what the point of your comment was. Not looking to get into an argument either :)
That’s headcannon tho we have proof of goku and vegeta being stronger after top so you can’t use that as an argument.
@@itsyaboi8645 dishing out the facts
Jiren isn't a fighting genius... Bruhh.
Goku and Vegeta are fighting geniuses.
Jiren is just extremely strong
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It's hard to say because we have never seen Gogeta Blue at full power in order to compare him.
tbf you weren’t able to kill in the top so we don’t really know jirens power, all we know is that mui goku is stronger
Akira Toriyama stated before the release of Broly that Broly was the strongest oppenent Goku or Vegeta has ever faced. Hence forth if Broly is as strong as Jiren then that means when Gogeta Blue fought Broly and almost fried him with the most powerful Kamehameha ever witnessed and on top of that WITHOUT even using close to his max power! Then how is this even a question? Gogeta would destroy Jiren and bring him to his knees begging for mercy.
It's not good to lie.
@@omegademon6285 Lie? Akira Toriyama absolutely said Broly was the strongest opponent Goku or Vegeta have ever faced. This is why I cannot understand why there is any debate behind the fact that Gogeta would destroy Jiren. The creators confirmed it before the release of the movie. There has never been an enemy in DBZ that was weaker than his or her predecessor. here is the direct quote - " “Frankly, the enemy Goku and co. are up against in this movie is the strongest.” Put that quote in google and watch the source pop up right in front of your eyes.
@@T-H-E-WORLD searched it up and there is no mention of toriyama.
Turns out that quote is from saikyo jump, so it's just some promotional bs to hype the movie.
@@omegademon6285 when Broly shows up next time you will understand this comment.
@@corinwisecat2812 what you said is dumb, next time broly appears he would've gotten significantly stronger from his training, it's not even relevant.
Clearly, you can't even understand my comment, you've decided to believe in your own fantasy instead of check your misinformation.
Gogeta, The power of a fusion (which is two character MULTIPLIED WITH EACHOTER) cannot be understated or underestimated. Jiren has no chance, if both are going full power.
Quickly form it was they even said he showed a hint of his true power towards the end
@Son Goku I mean being serious is something while being full power is something and full power ssb is something and full power gogeta is another thing considering that gogeta or vegito should be able to use kaioken and ssbe and the proof is that kefla was able to fuse super Saiyan two and controlled beserk super sayian which put the arguement if gogeta can go into something like sssbekk because technically he should be able to but how would that affect the fusion at least going ssbe and ssbkk is clearly and easily possible
@Son Goku bro don't you understand that the only moment gogeta was getting serious is when he charged the kamehameha and a well trained fighter after fighting his opponent would know how much strength needed to finish his opponent and going serious to finish his opponent doesn't mean at all that he went full power and in the fight broly didn't land a single effective hit while gogeta was playing toying and enjoying his time remember that he is a fusion of two sayians so clearly he wasn't going full power and clearly he was just toying and remember that he knew that broly was a good guy so he was trying in the beginning to put him down without killing him but in the end he knew that he had to kill him or get a little bit serious
@Son Goku ohh yeah zamasu was a threat to the whole universe and vegito was toying with him for a little bit not alot cuz part of him surviving was his immortality which vegito when he was getting serious was sure that he was ending him and about the difference in vegito and gogeta personality that's a stupid topic and alot of proofs are against it
@Son Goku ohh yeah and same thing with vegito against buu
Jiren wins because he has more weight on his squat rack
Nah you see his build? He's top heavy with chicken legs.
@@DR3S1NGH
He actually skips leg day
@@iceg6621 Use the squat rack to do arms lol
Jiren's proportions are very weird. xD
@@DR3S1NGH
True 😂
"The strongest fusion"
Vegito fans want to know your location
I know right
Name one fight vegito won 🧐
Thirstyjerome_ Junior I’m a gogeta fan myself .. but if you want to know then vegito could’ve thrashed buu in a second but he didn’t and got absorbed on purpose to rescue his friends .. he could’ve also thrashed merged zamasu but ran out of time and plus he was half immortal
@@Thirsty_Jerome name one fight Gogeta won?
That ain't fair, Vegito gets cheated out of his wins..😔
I wonder if people saw the same movie I did.
Once Gogeta went blue, Broly didn't land a single hit, no ki blast, punch or lucky counter, nothing. He was at least close to Beerus in power, and couldn't do ANYTHING.
Literally nothing. Gogeta didn't even took it that seriously, He was smiling throughout the whole fight, and only looked serious with the Kamehameha. As I see this, Gogeta would win, even not using 100% of his power. The only way I see Jiren winning is if they defuse.
I think Fusion is stronger than Ultra Instinct. In the DBS Manga, base Vegito managed to blow up a piece of Merged Zamasu with ease, while both SSJB Goku and Vegeta struggle against him. In the DBS Broly, base Gogeta had a the advantage against SSJ Broly, while Golden Frieza and both SSJB Goku and Vegeta struggle against him. If both base Vegito and base Gogeta manage to put up more of a fight than SSJB Goku and Vegeta, just imagine how strong SSJB Vegito and Gogeta are.
Terence Robinson no base gogeta struggled with ssj broly... he literally turned ssj then he defeated ssj broly....after that broly went into his berserk form and gogeta went ssjblue. Also it was just ssjblue goku and vegeta not other z fighters or didn’t use their new forms.
Golden Freeza managed to push SSJ back a bit during his 1 hour beat down, and SSJ Gogeta beat Broly down until he went FP. Then, when Gogeta went Blue, FP Broly said to be "possibly at around Beerus' level". Ya know? Something Jiren was confirmed to be at during EP 110?
@@preds43 yeah but who won that fight, SSJB Gogeta. In fact he almost killed him, and SSJB Gogeta held the advantage against Full Power Broly the entire fight.
Gogeta would beat the shit out of Jiren.
agreed
That’s cap
@@royalkakarot3628 Gogeta doesn't wear caps. lol
@@SIRICKO lol
We don’t know what the UI multiplier is but we know what the fusion multiplier is. Gogeta or Vegito are both at least stronger than SSJ Blue Kaioken Goku in their base forms. All we know about UI is that when Goku used UI Omen against Kefla SSJ2 he was at least 2 times stronger than SSJ B KK x 20 ( Or 10 i can’t remember what he used against kefla). What ever UI’s multiplier is it would have to be stronger SSJ Blue Gogeta or Vegito who are both stronger than SSJ B Goku in their bases! But we’re askin the wrong question; the right question is could UI Gogeta/ Vegito stand up to farmer with a shot gun?
Ffs😂
Y r people still saying jiren is the strongest mortal when he was clearly beaten by goku in the tournament of power
because in the anime goku has not Achieved MUI yet and goku didnt beat him alone...It took 17 Freeza goku and vegetas help to beat jiren
@@animalbattles6988 jiren always admitted he lost and Goku beat him his body just ran out
Hyourinjutsu did a vs sprite matchup of this fight on his channel and it was really good
Jiren in that fight managed to hold his own against Gogeta until the time limit ran out and Goku and Vegeta managed to Will it out against a fatigued Jiren in a beam struggle.
Jiren >> Broly
Tyrone L.D. Style different power level tho
Maybe but for how long? Broly grows at an alarming rate. And now that he might get actual training with Goku he could easily surpass Jiren
Gogeta in the broly movie is stronger than the gogeta in that Sprite battle.
Tyrone L.D. Style it’s actually sad how you’re using the interpretation of a fan as actual evidence.
Ok so ur not gonna like this but I firmly believe not only that Broly is stronger than Jiren, but also that Gogeta blue slaps both Jiren and MUI Goku under all circumstances and here’s why(this is gonna be lengthy so just here me out please): Ok, so we know from the fact that because Goku and Vegeta ran from Broly and Goku only believed that fusion would work, and NOT kiaoken or blue evo, we can safely confirm that REGULAR ssj Broly can body ssbkk20 Goku and Vegeta. This is something that Jiren actually did in the tournament, even with 17 in the mix. I don’t believe another blue lvl fighter would’ve mattered if Goku only thought of fusing to beat Broly, so SSJ Broly or Jiren > Goku, Vegeta, and 17. They fuse and Gogeta appears, and in BASE form Gogeta effortlessly evades all of Broly’s attacks. This can confirm to us that Base Gogeta dominates blue lvl fighters like Goku, Vegeta, and 17. Keep in mind, Jiren had to power up to his full power state to do this, so that means that SSJ Broly and Bass Gogeta are comparable to THAT full power Jiren, not the real full power Jiren against UI. However, Gogeta turns SSJ, and Broly barely even lands a successful hit on SSJ Gogeta, if he even did at all. Such effortlessness can even mean that this Gogeta was suppressed and not completely seriously. But SSJ Gogeta dominates SSJ Broly who I confirmed is relative to suppressed full power Jiren. The only other person who seemed to actually dominate this Jiren is 3rd UI Goku. SSJ GOGETA is >~= 3rd UI Goku. Later, Broly turns LSSJ(or full power), and BODIES SSJ Gogeta, and Gogeta chooses to, in order to body Broly again, SKIP SSJ2, SSJ3, and SSJ god. This means that LSSJ Broly is WITHOUT A DOUBT, stronger than Real Full Power Jiren AND 3rd UI Goku. So the only way that Jiren won’t get DOMINATED by LSSJ Broly, is if he goes Limit Breaker, which is exactly what MUI Goku did to Jiren. So LSSJ is ROUGHLY equal to MUI Goku in raw strength, which PROVES that it is more than likely true that Broly is stronger than Jiren and POSSIBLY Beerus. But once Gogeta turns Blue, Broly lost without even landing a single hit on Gogeta, and he didn’t even break a sweat while doing it. So guess what. In raw power, Suppressed Blue Gogeta DOMINATES Jiren and MUI Goku under all circumstances. Thank you so much to anyone who made it all the way here, and I hope this puts into perspective why I believe that Broly is most likely stronger than Jiren, and Blue Gogeta is definitely stronger than MUI and Limit Breaker Jiren, from using basic comparative power scaling of DBS Broly and the Tournament of Power. Hope this helps anybody understand.
Remember that Kefla was supposedly equal to Kaioken times 20 Spirit Bomb Goku when Kale and Caulifla were equal to SSJ2 or a little higher. Now imagine that with SSJB characters. I have no doubt Gogeta would curbstomp Jiren.
Not to mention Gogeta most likely can use Kaioken and stronger versions of Goku and Vegeta's techniques.
It wasnt normal ssj2 but berserk ssj2 but i agree gogeta wins still
Gogeta takes this....he looked super formidable
Exactly. Gogeta wins this without even using his hands.
@Rugged Rugged I agree. Geekdom101 is terrible at power scaling
Kefla was in he LSSJ state that she was mentioned that her power was at spirit bomb level, so what would her LSSJ2 be? Gogeta is very powerful but I can't really power scale him against Jiren because of feats, it makes sense that he "would" be stronger than Jiren, but if Whis mentioned that Gogeta is stronger than Jiren than, then he is stronger than Jiren, we can only speculate on how awesome Gogeta is
Gogeta blue winning , I don’t care what nobody say accept toriyama which I’m sure he’s picking gogeta.
Then you're a fool!
What
Yamcha is better than both
@@sammybosak10 Totally stronger than both :D
Grayson PrimeTime GAMES! Why is he a fool lol the novels explicitly state that there is no being in existence who can defeat broly which includes jiren and the novels are the movies written into words
Is this a joke? Gogeta hit Brolly so hard he knocked him into an entire different dimension and I personally think Brolly would stomp a hole in Jirens face. And also, I felt like Gogeta was fucking with Brolly for that entire fight. It wasn't even a contest, they even said Gogeta was going to kill him if the fight drug on longer.
Before I watch this, imma say it.
Jiren wins
Your smart but unfortunally geekdom didnt answer the question of whos stronger he just left it for us to decide
How?? Beerus is stronger than jiren and then broly is stronger than beerus. Gogeta clapped broly with ease and even whis confirmed that gogeta could beat beerus so idk how this is an argument
@@gamingtyphoon8989 wait why do u think broly is stronger than beerus but jiren isn't?
@@gamingtyphoon8989 whis didnt even confirm gogeta was stronger than beerus so dont know where you got that from
@@ziggibear1920 goku said it himself
Before we start I got jiren
Ain’t no wayyyyyy I got Gogeta
Legit question Geekdom: Does becoming a god of destruction give you any sort of power up from your current state once you gain god Ki and destruction power? For example would Jiren get any kind of power up from becoming a god of destruction?
Toppo clearly got a massive power up once he started using his God ki and Hakai energy during the tournament of power, so I think that is clearly a yes.
The fact is Jiren was pushed back by non fused vegeta & goku. So a fusion ? Multiply factor ? Jiren wouldn’t stand a chance
Can you imagine if whis or 1 of the angels took control of broly's training
Could imagine if whis or one of the angels took jiren training?
I don't think it's ever implied the angel or G.o.D trained him.
@@graysonred470 srry worded it wrong. if they took control and trained him as a potential ally.
@@graysonred470 its so dumb when broly fans or anyone else really bring up the oh imagine if whis or angel trained and act like hes the only one who could do that excluding vegeta and goku. They forget jiren can train with an angel too.
@@tookhertotheo9604 But then you forget that Broly learns faster than any mortal in the dbz universe with Cell being the 2nd because of his frieza and saiyan cells. Theres a reason why. Jiren fans tend to forget that was Brolys first fight and he bodied Goku and Vegeta. The same thing would've happened if Jiren went serious against Goku so you kind of have to put a what if scenario. Jiren fans need to learn that if you say Jiren bodies a certain character then you have to take the other character's characteristics into account with Brolys ability to learn as he fights as a trait of his
Edit: If you say Jiren would body, then you're implying Broly would stand absolutely no chance which i find hard to believe
@@tookhertotheo9604 Exactly!
It is annoying when they do that!
Gogeta blue would beat Jiren since he is Goku & Vegeta post TOP. Goku & Vegeta in blue are stronger than the first UI omen form that fought Jiren.
So what are you think jiren should have training
No, Gogeta doesn't win.
Who stated that they’re stronger than UI omen? Nothing proves that
NO THEY ARE NOT,where in the world you getting this info from🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️my god
@@carmelosmith8782 seriously
Just bcoz its post TOP ppl out here pulling headcanon frm their ass cracks and stating Ssb vegeta n goku r strother than UI omen 😂. Omen might be defensive but omen UI still fought jiren and the same jiren demolished ssbkkx20 goku, ssbe vegeta n 17 as well
Post TOP they got zenkai boosts sure but ssb is nowhere near UI omen
Gojeta was just Toying with Broly, I dont think he even Used His 50% Power. No way Jiren can Match Him at his Full Power
Akhil if gogeta was toying with broly then why did he turn blue. I thought fanboys said gogeta takes his fights seriously. He should’ve stayed on his super sayian form if he was toying with broly🤷🏼♂️
David Lopez blue is obviously a lot stronger than super sayain
r 333 no shit kid but the person I replied said gogeta was toying if broly. And I was like if he was toying with broly then why did he turn blue. Fanboys be saying gogeta takes his battles seriously unlike vegito who just toys with his enemies.
David Lopez i know what you meant, but if he was just super sayain he wouldn’t be able to toy since he’s not as strong as ssb. as ssb gogeta he got a major power boost, therefore toying.
r 333 but gogeta wanted to kill broly🤷🏼♂️. With super sayian, gogeta knew he couldn’t beat broly with that form. That’s why he chose to become blue so he can beat him. Thoe goku said that broly doesn’t seem like a bad guy. Plus obviously gogeta blue is op. Probably evan surpasses Beerus.
This is honestly a no brainer to me. Gogeta has Goku and Vegeta’s power, skills and experience combined and amped. It’s likely he’s beyond SSJ Blue level without even transforming. He demolished Broly, who’s said to have power beyond Beerus and the Gods of Destruction, and who’s probably just as, if not stronger than Jiren considering all the statements and showings. Whis was having the time of his life watching Gogeta fight, and even referenced how he said Goku and Vegeta could rival or even defeat Beerus if they worked together. Not ‘canon’ per se, but DB Heroes had Gogeta beat Hearts, whereas Jiren couldn’t. Jiren was even surprised and asked Gogeta why they didn’t use fusion in the tournament to win. Gogeta takes this without a doubt
If we are considering Gogeta's personality is different from Vegito then yes he would wash Jiren.
If a Stronger Goku and Vegeta removes both their weaknesses, they cant be beat.
I don't know why people think that Goku surpassed his MUI form in his base, because that and Vegeta doing so as well is the only reason how Gogeta could ever surpass Goku from the Tournament.
Kuribohchaos8 What does personality have to do with this? Don’t tell me you’re one of the people that say vegito doesn’t take anything seriously....
@@uhhhidk2238 Vegito is Cocky and thats a fact. (Though Vegito is serious). Only time you EVER seen Gogeta cocky was against Omega Shenron. Everytime they fuse to Gogeta, its to get the job done period.
Kuribohchaos8 Lol vegito toyed with buu so he didn’t have to obliterate everyone he cared about, then there was nothing he could do against Zamasu. Put gogeta up against either of them and the same thing would have happened. Switch the roles in each situation, same outcome, what happens isn’t based on their personality
@@uhhhidk2238 so against Jiren in the TOP. You saying he gonna taunt Jiren?
Also, it never made sense to save everyone from Super Buu since Dende was Alive. But thats a Toriyama thing
SSB Gogeta would physically abuse Full Power Jiren similar to how he bodied Broly
Alright im a head out
Facts. No debate on this.
There is literally nothing that even shows that jiren or mui goku could beat gogeta. I don’t even know why people are saying that gogeta is weaker than mui goku
@@adendirie4337 well Geekdom and a few other TH-camrs already did videos on mui being stronger than fusion. Which makes sense. Other wise Goku and Vegeta could just fuse into Gogeta and beat Moro. And mui is the power of angels Gogeta doesn't have the power of angels. Maybe god of destruction tier but not angel tier.
@@adendirie4337 uh...master UI is the ultimate form, stated by whis, jiren was on par with MUI...
Gogeta seems to have the advantage in my book, he never went all out against broly and basically just had fun with him. He was smiling the whole fight, I feel like broly isn’t too far off jiren despite being weaker
Broly is above jiren the information about the movie say this fact and even frieza and goku say the same jirentard
What from a promotional magazine , and not from the creator's mouth,how gullible are you? I mean come on Broly has a no feat that puts him above jiren.
@@kesenaememere8520 depends how strong do you think base gogeta is compared to fp jiren that powered up after toppo got eliminated?
Goku said alrdy in the movie Broly is stronger than Jiren >.> thats ToP jiren....... now... broly at this stage had NO EXPERIENCE at all lmfao... broly is clearly much more terrifying than jiren >.> if broly had just as much training and what not as jiren...... well i dont think ANYONE would be able to take him... maybe not even gogeta lmfao :O Broly just learns and gets strong Wayyyyyyyy too fast....
@@tchrono12 goku said jiren might be on the level of beerus whis says jiren is stronger then gods of destruction and thats b4 he unlocks his full power
Gogeta would demolish Jiren.. Fusion multiplier is a HUGE boost.. Higher your power is, more than multiplier effects.. For example 100,000 x 100,000 is waaaay bigger than 100 x 100. Simple math
LMAO. Jiren would get curb stomped. The Goku and Vegeta that fused are way stronger than they were during the ToP Arch. And those versions are who we are talking about fusing into Gogeta Blue. Y'all are underestimating that difference in power and how strong that Gogeta actually was. Also the fact that we never saw his full power in the movie. plus Jiren is way over hyped by people.
Highly doubt Jiren would remain stagnant as well.
"Strongest fusion, gogeta!"
vegito fans: **TRIGGERED**
me: *has gogeta as pfp* aw shit, here we go again.
Noice
me an intellectial: its been confirmed there both equal in power
Are y’all still not accepting they are the same?
@@dlawdb it was meant too be a joke, because people get really angry when you say one of them are stronger.
Technically vegito is stronger they just got stronger after top if they went vegito instaed they wouldve been much stronger then gogeta
Marketing for the movie constantly put Broly over as the strongest opponent, while Jiren is stronger than “a god of destruction” ,Belmod. The fact Jiren lasted barely a minute in his “limit break” is form, and Goku the same with UI while Gogeta went the full distance, throwing all kinds of monstrous KI attacks without using his full power according to the light novel. Gogeta in his base form is already on par or stronger than SSJ Blue. So unless you believe that the jump from Blue to UI is larger than Base to Blue along with the fusion multiplier than any outcome other than Gogeta curbstomping Jiren you’re flat out delusional. The fact that nobody gave a fuck to mention Jiren in the movie other than the still shot of all the TOP characters. And that Broly who was once again marketed as the strongest opponent and compared to their benchmark Beerus. Not to mention the DBZ wafer stickers which have Gogeta as the strongest followed Broly, then UI Goku, then Jiren, with Beerus being unknown. All the actual proof, points to Gogeta being the strongest non angel being we’ve seen so far, with Broly coming in 2nd place. Everyone pumping up Jiren, just like they did with Hit are going to be incredibly disappointed, when Jiren, if he shows up again gets the “Heroes/Hit” treatment for real this time, and he isn’t what everyone pumped him up to be.
It was NEVER specifically stated that he was only stronger then his god of destruction.
It was just stated that a god of destroy couldn't beat him, and that is a vague statement.
And no, you are the delusional one here.
Jiren curb stomps Gogeta, plain and simple.
You brought no actual proof up.
Well actually the jump from blue to ui is greater than base to god because goku absorbed god into his base. Also go watch the fucking fight again because goku fuckin threw a kaioken times 20 spirit bomb at jiren, and this guy *glares* away the spirit bomb. Fast forward many episodes and power ups and THEN he goes full power.
@@maxdrags3115 Gogeta fanboys don't have any source whatsoever to put Gogeta above Jiren besides there deluded headcannon.
In the novel it actually says gogeta begun to showcase his true power during the climax of the fight
The fusion dance has a set timer they wouldn’t defuse by using a lot of energy
Also Gogeta didn’t want to kill broly until the last kamahamaha when he realized broly wouldn’t stop unless he did. I’m sure Gogeta blue could’ve easily killed him if he wanted to at first. He was playing with him
Geekdom uploading on both channels at the same time got me like 🤤🤤
“Match up with the strongest fusion”
Vegito fans will lose their shit
I did. ( Not actually ).
Don't know why Gogeta Blue is far above either Version of Vegito we've seen.
Erick Santos
Toriyama called them two evenly matched trump cards
@@RickyUzumaki993 I meant Gogeta Blue in DBS Broly is way beyond Vegito Blue that fought Zamasu.
Erick Santos
Oh. Agreed
Gogeta blue annihilates jiren no difficulty frieza states in the dbs broly novels that no being in existence can defeat broly which includes jiren and just to remind you the broly novels are the movie written in words so it’s 100% canon
Davis Okeke did you forget that Frieza can’t sense ki, so he couldn’t really tell how powerful Jiren or UI Goku were? We’re just going to ignore that detail? Okay.
Golden Freeza also never saw the UI Goku vs Jiren fight, so...
@@crimtheidiotgenius3694
>cant sense ki
>senses brolys latent ability
>can't sense broly power n tell if he's done or not
>states "ur battle power is astounding"
@@kingblackwaffle lol
Wafflez he didn’t sense Broly’s latent ability, he had a vague idea of his power due to the readings from Cheelai’s scouter. Plus, the “your battle power is astonishing” quote is after Broly laid into him for an hour.
So has no one read the CBS Broly light novel? In which it is confirmed that As I broly is the most powerful fighter in the universe, placing him above MUI goku and therefore above jiren. Why has no one mentioned this?
give me the link
im not doubting you i just wanna see
"Strongest Fusion vs Strongest Mortal" uh oh prepare for triggered Vegito and Broly fans.
Broly is the strongest mortal, Goku & Vegeta had to hold back in tournament of power. With broly they didn't, they flew and still didn't break any barriers. Gogeta will defeat Jiren tho, obviously. Kinda surprised Vegeta didn't go Royal Blue vs Broly. Also, goku ONLY hit Ultra Instinct due to other people's energy that he absorbed. Jiren didn't hold back ... he tried to kill Goku friends and they clearly stated that he ONLY cared about himself.
bluntsANDfame false, Goku achieved Ultra Instinct in a last ditch effort to survive the spirit bomb. He used the spirit bomb as a temporary source of energy since at that point he was already spent. This is specifically said by characters in the sideline. Also, Jiren is stronger than Broly and it’s pretty much confirmed that Jiren is stronger than the gods of destruction. You said that Goku and Vegeta had to hold back because of the rules in the ToP, but that goes both ways.
We are talking about Post TOP gogeta not Vegito so I understand
@ジェイMystery-Zamasku uhhh yes they did due to no death rule. They fought Broly on "to the death" terms
@@bluntsANDfame that's a terrible argument. Every one was holding back in the tournament, including Jiren and as you just mentioned Goku and Vegeta didn't even use ssjb kaioken or ssjbe on Broly and Jiren took on both of those forms and android 17 while suppressed and holding back. You're also using a promo statement for Broly which is invalid as it didn't come from anyone important. Also Broly is only maybe stronger than Beerus while suppressed Jiren is pretty much confirmed to be stronger than all the Gods of destruction let alone full power limit breaker Jiren.
MUI narrowly got by Jiren after taking some hard shots and Jiren took 0 damage from Goku Kaio Ken, Vegeta Blue Evolution and 17. It be close but end of day I don’t see Jiren losing this one
Eric Kdawg goku and vegeta were stated to be stronger than ever in the movie by Toriyama and toyatoro in the manga. They directly addressed the movie meaning movie ssb goku> ui goku and ssb vegeta> ssbe vegeta. Now this goku and vegeta get surpassed by base gogeta since he held his own against ssj broly unlike the ssb‘s who got clapped in a 2v1. All of this tells u that Jiren=
Yes,perfect logic. Jiren beating a bunch of Fighters weaker than Gogeta’s base easily puts him far above Gogeta. Lmao.
@@tastedivinefury2198 and Alex you two a duo or something
king bevan1 and this entire dumbass comment section, you two a duo or something?
tAsTe DiVinE fUry MUI is up there with Whis so obv would mop Gogeta..MUI and Jiren were back n forth until he tried to kill Goku’s friends. Argument over
I think Gogeta wins. I feel that Gogeta/Vegito are the perfect warrior. Years of training, fighting, experience, and Saiyan instinct with the two most powerful Saiyan's ever just makes fusions so strong.
Goku + Broly fusion would MURDER Gogeta/Vegito. One sided battle.
Same for Goku + Jiren fusion, which is most likely even stronger than the Broly fusion. But both of those would TOY around Gogeta/Vegito.
Dumbass gogeta/vegito fanboys... always blinding themselves!
@@SilenceStabber Strongest fusion would have to be Gohan + Broly, at least it would be if gohan trained a little but still the potential that fusion has is insane.
I was thinking of this too during the Tournament of Power, but it makes sense that Goku and Vegeta will want to fight Jiren on their own rather than taking the easy way out like fusions.
Fight-wise, I think that it'll be a so-so match.
SDBH episode 19 acknowledges the idea, where Jiren asked Gogeta on why his fusee's never did this in the ToP.
Fusions are leaps and bounds beyond their individual counterparts. You guys are nuts
Indeed. It's funny how quickly people forget the basics from the Buu arc - Goku and Vegeta at their best were fodder to Buuhan, once they fused Vegito was mopping the floor with the same Buuhan while fooling around and not being even remotely close to his best. Then there are also Goten and Trunks who by themselves were complete fodder, while after fusion Gotenks was able to challenge Super Buu.
Jiren Wins. I mean if this guy could land blows on Mastered UI Goku, then I see no reason why he wouldn’t Molliwhop Blue Gogeta!
Jiren can't kill in top I'm sure he's controlling his power yet
But broly fans are retarted soooo facts dont make no sense to them
ManontheMoon55 5 jiren gets clapped by ssb movie goku lmfao ☠️ u might wanna start reading the manga so u don’t have to write bs like this again😭
tAsTe DiVinE fUry what does the Manga have to do with a theoretical fight between someone from the ANIME and another from a MOVIE? We all know Manga continuity is different!
ManontheMoon55 5 doesn’t matter. The manga directly referred to the movie since there isn’t anything else anyways lmao🤷🏾♂️ so yeah that didn’t debunk anything
Whis himself said that “if Goku and Vegeta” ever work together... they’d be stronger than Beerus. We can interpret that in many ways. So the question is... is Jiren stronger than Beerus? We don’t know the answer to that.
Ty Hardymon yes he is stronger
There's been numerous guides and statements in the show itself saying jiren slaps gods. Beerus (in the anime) was like one of the weakest gods of destruction (since they don't know who the mortal stronger than a god is, while also knowing the god of destruction suspecting to have one), and jiren's HEAT was apparently gonna decimate Universe 11. You can't really do that unless if you're astronomically more powerful. That was his full power, we haven't even dove deeper into limit breaker.
Also I think SSB gogeta is stronger than MUI goku . Yes broly was taking punishment but at the end of the fight the director made it clear as day that gogeta wasn’t even being serious about the fight . That’s why when gogeta took that funny looking stance and threw his arms up and and down they had a clear shot of Brolys face lookin worried because broly knew he couldn’t keep up . Even when they clashed fists and the grown melted another detail they added was when brolys fist flew back while gogeta kept moving forward.
Gogeta blue is stronger than MUI.
People tend to get confuse about fusion dance. People say it’s weak cuz they say Goku has to drop his energy to match vegeta. Yes he does but that doesn’t effect the final product. Goku does that cuz for fusion dance to work Side A had to be completely symmetrical to side B. But once it’s done right it takes ALL of Gokus dormant power and combines it with all of Vegetas dormant power and multiplies it. There isn’t any amount of power left out just because you seen Goku dropped his energy. This was shown when Trunks dropped his energy to match Goten yet Gotenks still had all their power and even more
Just came back after it was confirmed that Vegito Blue from Black ark = Beerus. Gogeta rapes Jiren into the ground.
M_ALI_04 you are heavily underestimating beerus true prowers, toriyama hasn’t used him in a series fight for a reason
Jiren rapes gogeta lmao. Gogeta can’t even breathe in space😹
Eric Lopez facts
@@henrymartinez5928 what does that have to do with a fight
Bro gogeta would have to get serious not fp but like 60-80%, sure vegito= beerus but jiren was said to be stronger than the gods of destruction.
Gogeta blue wins. Gogeta never seems to be using his full power in any fight similar to how Beerus did not use his full power against Goku. Though Jiren was brought to his knees, used full power, then went beyond his limits in ToP.
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I’m waiting for the Broly Comments 🍿
Saying that Jiren is stronger than Gogeta Blue is like saying that Jiren is stronger than a Goku SSB, with a base form that's already as strong as his post-ToP SSB. And even that still falls in comparison to Gogeta's power🤷♂️
If that where true goku would’ve pummelled broly when he went ssg let alone ssb
@@shockvalue5086 you mean Gogeta??
The series ending (or going on a hiatus) must have took a giant portion of your regular viewers. You used to never do vs. matches.
Hit and he shouldn’t if he thinks that jiren stands a chance ☠️
@@tastedivinefury2198 I don't mind him doing that but bringing this blatant Jiren fanboy called MJ to every VS video is just ridiculous. He's biased as hell.
I think they’re fun videos to think about and discuss.
Seru ikr
@@_Seru_ Fr you wanna bring a jiren fanboy bring in a Gogeta Fanboy and let geekdom be unbiased I dont mind these vids but I dont think he should be power scaling it's too biased in too many vids
" “Frankly, the enemy Goku and co. are up against in this movie is the strongest.” GOOGLE this quote and watch the source pop up. Its confirmed by the creators that Broly is the strongest fighter Goku and Vegeta have ever faced. Gogeta played around with Broly even before he went blue. Gogeta is more powerful than Jiren and MUI Goku. I don't know why there are so many people in denial........?????
Honestly. As cool and as strong as UI Goku is. Hes still below the power potential of Gogeta.
So... how would UI come into play as Gogeta? Or even SSB Evolved that Vegeta created.
The issue with UI on Gogeta is that you have *two* people and their own respective instincts potentially clashing.
Only what toriyama states is canon unless we gonna consider everything as canon
@@mostlyjovial6177 No, Gogeta is one person. Not saying I'm correct, just my opinion. Gogeta was def goin to kill Broly and that conflicts with how Goku felt about Broly all together. Gogeta is not one or the other, he is a fusion between both, his own person.
It would appear we have someone intelligent here
This isn't a Potarra fusion. The exertion of power won't shorten the fusion.
Yes it would look at gotenks
@@shockvalue5086 well gogeta is in dbs broly not Dbz dbs just refined fusion and gogeta did not defuse mid way through the battle lmao
@@cozygoat6579 he finished broly of quickly gotenks defused in 5 minutes
@@shockvalue5086 well to be fair the real reason gogeta didn’t defuse in 5 mins is because vegito whent blue at the start we’re as gogeta gradually weren’t up a step but vegito used big attacks like the final kamehameha and that energy punch were as gogeta used energy attacks that didn’t drain energy and only used his big attacks at the end so I guess goku and vegeta learnt there lesson
@@shockvalue5086 and maybe because at the time of dbs broly they had mastered the blue form so it probably would drain much less energy we’re-as when goku and vegeta were fighting goku black and zamasu they had not mastered the blue form so maybe a good point aswell
Why was ssbss kio Ken mentioned? I believe he can even go beyond a x20 multiplier with both of them being combined
When he said power scaler extraordinare, I thought we was gonna say Seth the Programer
So now y’all are saying jiren is only stronger than some gods but, back then y’all were saying he’s stronger than all gods😂. I can’t take y’all serious no more. Gogeta>MUI>Broly>jiren. And please don’t bash me.
Lmao
How tf is Jiren weaker than Broly?
He is stronger there is a magazine who stated that
Jiren has a few advantages over a blue fusion, he has no fusion time limit to worry about nor does it seem like he is using a transformation and thus doesn't have any worry of potential stamina drain. Speed wise he matched UI Goku and even got a one handed beam to overcome the UI Kamehameha so his direct ki was on par.
Gogeta Blue I believe will have stronger Ki since UI mostly effects reflex speed and the fusion combines two peoples Ki who actually fought a lot longer during the TOP than Jiren who skipped half of it and still lost stamina to the point that even Golden Freezia could feel confident enough to taunt him.
Whis once said something like "if you two work together there is no one cant beat, including beerus"....when Whis saw Gogeta he said "ohhh, looks like you two can work together".....suggests to me that Gogeta Blue is gonna take the W here....
You never explained why Jiren being stated to be GOD lvl in Supressed is a high ball .
Lol beating goku blue kkx20 with a glare?? Eliminating hit so easily? Time skip not even working on him? Fighting 2 SSB at the same time? Stopping SSG goku with one finger? Power beyond time in his sepressed state??? Stopping a blue kkx20 spirit bomb with no effort?? Aren't these enough? Jiren was nerfed later though
@@commentstealer4460 no. That isn’t enough. That’s no comparison to GoD’s considering blue Goku surpassed suppressed jiren later in the ToP and broly movie goku blue is apparently getting closer to god level and not there yet. So much so that broly, the strongest antagonist in history, is comparable to beerus/ there’s contention between the two (atm cause I’m pretty sure it’ll follow the manga). Suppressed jiren gets one shotted by beerus
@@commentstealer4460 and not nerfed, Goku and vegeta simply got stronger over time
People really think Ultra Instinct Goku is stronger than Perfected SSJBGogeta 🤦🏽♂️ how silly.
It is,goku ui is on another diferent level just like super saiyan god was strongest than vegitp ssj3
Yov Soto I know right? How silly to think that a character with multiple feats of infinite and 4th dimensional physical stats could defeat one that doesn’t have any feats that are even near that level.
You don't even know what you're saying lmao.
Lionel Messi Broli was stated by Toriyama himself to be stronger than anybody Goku and Vegeta had faced and Gogeta WAS PLAYING with Broli until he was about to KILL HIM with that kamehameha . You all don’t know what you’re talking about I’m sorry Jiren or UI Goku are not stronger than Gogeta who is A FUSION OF GOKU . Smh silliness.
@@Jo.MeL95 ui is a angels thing,broly couldnt touch whis,broly has more raw power but its useless if he cant touch goku
1: freiza golden was no match for gogeta base form and freiza was able to harm jiren
2: gogeta ssj 1 was far more powerful then ssgss
3: broly surpasses gogeta in ssj1
4: gogeta in ssgss after ssj 1 was just like goku's kaioken ssj 1 > ssj2 > ssj3 > ssg > ssgss
5: if vegeta and gokus iq level is 130 then gogeta's is 260 and iq matter in fight
6: gogeta took no time to transform in ssgss.
now tell me other reference.
its simple... Jiren would get stomped on by gogeta.... i dunno why people even CONSIDER thinking goku in UI is as strong as Gogeta... much less Stronger ....... UI is the mastery of one self which means its not automatic dodges... its not godly boosts of strength or w.e its simply their max potential at that given time..... kinda like SS4 In GT is.....and its their body doing the work not their brain which slows down their reaction and speed and strength in general... as whis explained to them while training with them...... Goku fusing with Vegeta make Gogeta... which is MULTIPLICATION OF THEIR MAX POWER >.> which is past blue... aka Goku UI and Vegeta's Blue Evo.... so tell me again............ UI Goku and Jiren stronger than Gogeta? I dont think so......
tchrono one ui does give a substantial boost in power look at goku vs kefla two I see your a dub watcher ultra instinct is the removal of thought in a fight meaning goku doesn’t need to think to attack his body reacts to the moves without that thought if gogeta vs mui goku he would lose
@@shockvalue5086 caulifia and kale cant even touch jiren but they were able harm jiren very bad at fusion we can detect from goku vs kelfa
@@shockvalue5086 Yes but dosn't mean goku is stronger than a fusion which is not only stronger than their max individual .... but that power is ADDED and Multiplied.... there is no way in any universe UI Goku is stronger than Gogeta under any circumstance XD
I think you two, should do an updated video. Now that Vegeta has Spirit control and Forced Spirit Fission, I think an argument can be made that the Vegeta side of the fusion can keep them fused for far longer periods of time, regardless of the strength of the attacks. In addition, Goku now can turn on, at the minimum, UI omen. So you are talking about a version of Gogeta Blue, we haven't seen yet.