If the wife is smart she will leave. Love and loyalty are clearly not enough to him. He says modern dating is disgusting so what is he? He plunged into it head first and he certainly wouldnt stick around if the roles were reversed
I love the "even if you date overseas" between this and the they want money comment dude absolutely tried to get himself one of those mail-in brides from a poor country and then started complaining that they see him as a meal ticket.
Oh yes, the evil super strict parents who see signs of their daughter in law being physically abused, and have their son telling her he “deserves” an open relationship because poor baby didn’t get the wild TV fantasy version of his twenties that he “needs so badly” because he has this dumb marriage with a lame boring wife he hurts, so they circle wagons to protect their daughter in law, get her help and support her ending sham of a relationship. What terrible backwards people 🙄😒
I’m a queer and I have no doubt the fundamentalist christians would hate me…but when we both actually agree over something, and that something is that coercing someone into an open relationship is bad, you’re doing something wrong
Story 2: I think the YTA verdict was needed, but sad. I think that OP has a lot on his shoulders in pioneering leading his siblings and looking out for them. I get that things went pare shaped when trying to take on Mia's strifes, but I think what he could use is acknowledgement that his noble efforts are respectable.
St1: Op should be in prison but if his,wife comes back to him, she welcomes her own doom 2. OP is an AH . No matter what, it was unacceptable that he was willing to kick out Tia in order to help Maya. I don't think I would be able to forgive him if I was in Tia s place
Maya was a child, you **shole. As the scapegoat of the family, I hold nothing against my golden child sibling. The things that my parents said about me behind my back, the things they said to the rest of my siblings, it’s not my sisters fault that as a CHILD, she was manipulated by my parents harmful words, and psychologically crushed by expectations to be the good perfect successful child, desperation to not be like me because ‘like me’ was looked down on. Our Brains are developing until we’re 25. Was maya supposed to be mature and self aware at 11? When was maya supposed to magically break out of her brainwash that had been placed in her head since birth? This is why I hate when people blame kids. When you’ve been raised a certain way since you were born, it’s HARDWIRED into your brain. It takes some time to realize it. News flash, most people realize they need to change because something bad or unpleasant happens. The FIRST time Maya had a chance to see the treatment her siblings suffered was when Tia left, that was the first time Maya would’ve actually been broken out of the mindset she was in. It’s not that she was always aware the treatment was unfair and simply changed because it got directed at her. She didn’t “run whining to op” the minute she started getting different treatment. She started getting different treatment and it made her see the big picture. While I don’t think op should’ve told Tia to leave if she couldn’t be civil, I don’t think writing maya off as a horrible person overall is fair or the answer. OP should have offered MAYA a different place to stay and visited her or something. However, when I took some time to think about my childhood better, I knew I wasn’t innocent. My youngest sister was also extremely spoiled due to her medical issues and if there was a fight we always got in trouble because she doesn’t know better. They didn’t explain the medical issues properly to us and we didn’t understand, we thought she was spoiled. While she may have been able to pull some sh!t, none of us treated her like we treated eachother. We always shamed her for being ‘spoiled’. That reinforced the stuff going on in her head. Now, she often gets emotional and assumes she’s being attacked when she isn’t at all. However, can we blame her? That’s how it used to be. We attacked her simply because to us it felt like revenge for getting to be special. Maya was raised under a different parenting style. She had a different mindset installed in her. Also, Maya was apologetic and took accountability for her bad behavior. The mistakes regarding Tia are mostly OP not making the best choice, Maya has no place in that, so hopefully you aren’t holding that against her. And either way, op shouldn’t be expected to handle this perfectly because he was a child too, and stuff like this is way more complicated than you think. Don’t get me wrong, I understand Tias pain. Because again, my youngest sister was treated badly and it was eventually acknowledged and changed, yet not much has changed in regards to me. I still get yelled at when my dad is mad about something in the house- whether I did it or not. I’m the one who had mental health issues since birth and was neglected until I could start getting my own care at 18, but I had the exact same expectations as my siblings and was lazy and not trying when I didn’t achieve them. I’m not saying OP is doing everything right, I’m not saying Tia isn’t valid for not wanting to be around Maya. However, Maya is a victim too because she wouldn’t have acted however she did if the parents hadn’t created those dynamics. She just also has some stuff to apologize for. But again, her parents raised her that way and encouraged the behavior, she never had anything to make her think “maybe this isn’t right.” My siblings have told me to k**l myself. They’ve called me wasted potential. All sorts of things. Things that aren’t true whatsoever. But they heard my parents saying things along those lines for years, they simply thought I wasn’t a good person. You guys think 18 is anything more than the legal adult age. There is no ‘period of realization’, there is no age at which everyone wakes up and realizes what parts of their life were normal and what weren’t. I’m 21, and I JUST REALIZED that my friend repeatedly crushing me into the side of the bus as kids and holding me there until I almost snapped and then letting me go, and doing it again after a little break, I JUST REALIZED that was very harmful to me. I JUST realized that even though I wasn’t a POW, she was sadistically torturing me. That’s a lot of psychological damage for an 8 year old. And it took me 13 years to realize it wasn’t just a reason I ‘didn’t like her’. And yeah, I genuinely thought that it wasn’t that big of a deal and that she was just “being a bully” and that I didn’t like it much. I have kelithrophobia as a result of that, didn’t realize it until THIRTEEN YEARS LATER. Give Maya a fcking break. She’s clearly realizing the messed up side of the house, why is she a bad person because she wasn’t the ‘perfect’ victim that was always attacked and never did anything wrong? Did your golden child sibling never change and that’s why the only thing you wanted to say about this story was to mock someone who’s changing? Yeah, as soon as the special treatment goes away things will change, because she’s no longer being brainwashed by contrasting treatment. Like my f***ing god, when did Maya have to change to not be a bad person to YOU? At what point during mayas childhood was she supposed to know everything that she hadn’t been taught and make those realizations on her own? At what point was she supposed to just magically realize it wasn’t normal?
Story 1 was the cringest thing and that was even before it got to the abuse part from the brother outing OP. Sounded like a terminally online person who's trapped themselves in echo chambers.
The first story: “i had to open up my marriage for MYSELF, and i threatened divorce if my wife did not agree. She’s not respecting my boundaries, even though i chewed hers up and spit them in her face! Then when i tried to separate, i realized she wasn’t taking CARE of me anymore and I changed my mind!”
Everyone saying first guy is wrong is kinda being old fashioned Christian whip you until your straight types. It took a LOT of time into the first story before it turned from “what we wanted was different and I told her, saying we can either separate or she can accept this part of me” to “I want my cake and I want to eat it.” Like, don’t get me wrong, guys a dud, but it took way longer than 20 seconds and his first statement to assess that. The idea that a guy would wanna sleep around inherently is vitriolic but he went to his wife and said “I’d this makes you uncomfortable we will divorce.” Like at that point it kinda IS a dick move for being jealous and acting petty
Ok but here's the thing. We have all the information to say he's wrong. We're not just being old fashioned. He lied and said she was ok with this. She was never ok with that. The more he was questioned the more his lies unraveled until a family member finally put all the facts out there. She was never being petty 🤷♀️ she was being abused.
It didn't take ANY time at all. The guy was allegedly physically and emotionally abusing his wife before he sprang the open marriage bs. Threatening divorce is him forcing her into an open marriage, the moment she got serious about separating suddenly she becomes his "lovely wife" and he suddenly realises how amazing she is and that he's suddenly now ready to be monogamous. On top of that, his wife couldn't sleep around in their "open" marriage. Sure lmao. It was ALWAYS about him being an abusive cake-eater, he just tried hiding it at first. This has nothing to do with being "old-fashioned" and much more to do with being able to see the red flags in this guy
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God the first one was hard to listen to. “I forced my wife into something and now she’s mad, make her not mad guys :(“ like omg no!
Complete narcissist
I skipped to story two when he talked about opening marriage or divorce
Story 1 glad the wife didn't go back.
Glad wised up and realized her worth
Rare W Reddit in laws
Was 2nd story OP more interested in appearing to be a good person, rather than helping? Or did he not understand what he was doing?
"Let's focus on the present" Okay, in the present we have a dirtbag who refuses to accept accountability for their past behaviours.
I hate how he seems to think "I dIdN'T fOrCe HeR!" when you know he did.
"Just until I satisfied my needs."
He lost me at that one, lol.
Edit: My fuck did it get worse. Oh, geeze... It got worse.
This made me laugh
If the wife is smart she will leave. Love and loyalty are clearly not enough to him. He says modern dating is disgusting so what is he? He plunged into it head first and he certainly wouldnt stick around if the roles were reversed
Same thought here
100% guarantee he wouldn’t have put up with it
I love the "even if you date overseas" between this and the they want money comment dude absolutely tried to get himself one of those mail-in brides from a poor country and then started complaining that they see him as a meal ticket.
yeah, as soon as I heard "monogomy ain't my thing" shit, I knew everybody else was right.
Oh yes, the evil super strict parents who see signs of their daughter in law being physically abused, and have their son telling her he “deserves” an open relationship because poor baby didn’t get the wild TV fantasy version of his twenties that he “needs so badly” because he has this dumb marriage with a lame boring wife he hurts, so they circle wagons to protect their daughter in law, get her help and support her ending sham of a relationship. What terrible backwards people 🙄😒
I’m a queer and I have no doubt the fundamentalist christians would hate me…but when we both actually agree over something, and that something is that coercing someone into an open relationship is bad, you’re doing something wrong
LGBTQ
🤝 OP sucks
Christian fundamentalist parents
@@TheReal_AntreyThere are various “polyamorous” LGBT people. That’s where the movement has the highest acceptance.
Story 2: I think the YTA verdict was needed, but sad. I think that OP has a lot on his shoulders in pioneering leading his siblings and looking out for them. I get that things went pare shaped when trying to take on Mia's strifes, but I think what he could use is acknowledgement that his noble efforts are respectable.
St1: Op should be in prison but if his,wife comes back to him, she welcomes her own doom
2. OP is an AH . No matter what, it was unacceptable that he was willing to kick out Tia in order to help Maya. I don't think I would be able to forgive him if I was in Tia s place
Poooor Maya. As soon as the special treatment goes away she goes whining to OP.
Maya was a child, you **shole. As the scapegoat of the family, I hold nothing against my golden child sibling. The things that my parents said about me behind my back, the things they said to the rest of my siblings, it’s not my sisters fault that as a CHILD, she was manipulated by my parents harmful words, and psychologically crushed by expectations to be the good perfect successful child, desperation to not be like me because ‘like me’ was looked down on. Our Brains are developing until we’re 25. Was maya supposed to be mature and self aware at 11? When was maya supposed to magically break out of her brainwash that had been placed in her head since birth? This is why I hate when people blame kids. When you’ve been raised a certain way since you were born, it’s HARDWIRED into your brain. It takes some time to realize it. News flash, most people realize they need to change because something bad or unpleasant happens. The FIRST time Maya had a chance to see the treatment her siblings suffered was when Tia left, that was the first time Maya would’ve actually been broken out of the mindset she was in. It’s not that she was always aware the treatment was unfair and simply changed because it got directed at her. She didn’t “run whining to op” the minute she started getting different treatment. She started getting different treatment and it made her see the big picture. While I don’t think op should’ve told Tia to leave if she couldn’t be civil, I don’t think writing maya off as a horrible person overall is fair or the answer. OP should have offered MAYA a different place to stay and visited her or something. However, when I took some time to think about my childhood better, I knew I wasn’t innocent. My youngest sister was also extremely spoiled due to her medical issues and if there was a fight we always got in trouble because she doesn’t know better. They didn’t explain the medical issues properly to us and we didn’t understand, we thought she was spoiled. While she may have been able to pull some sh!t, none of us treated her like we treated eachother. We always shamed her for being ‘spoiled’. That reinforced the stuff going on in her head. Now, she often gets emotional and assumes she’s being attacked when she isn’t at all. However, can we blame her? That’s how it used to be. We attacked her simply because to us it felt like revenge for getting to be special. Maya was raised under a different parenting style. She had a different mindset installed in her. Also, Maya was apologetic and took accountability for her bad behavior. The mistakes regarding Tia are mostly OP not making the best choice, Maya has no place in that, so hopefully you aren’t holding that against her. And either way, op shouldn’t be expected to handle this perfectly because he was a child too, and stuff like this is way more complicated than you think. Don’t get me wrong, I understand Tias pain. Because again, my youngest sister was treated badly and it was eventually acknowledged and changed, yet not much has changed in regards to me. I still get yelled at when my dad is mad about something in the house- whether I did it or not. I’m the one who had mental health issues since birth and was neglected until I could start getting my own care at 18, but I had the exact same expectations as my siblings and was lazy and not trying when I didn’t achieve them. I’m not saying OP is doing everything right, I’m not saying Tia isn’t valid for not wanting to be around Maya. However, Maya is a victim too because she wouldn’t have acted however she did if the parents hadn’t created those dynamics. She just also has some stuff to apologize for. But again, her parents raised her that way and encouraged the behavior, she never had anything to make her think “maybe this isn’t right.” My siblings have told me to k**l myself. They’ve called me wasted potential. All sorts of things. Things that aren’t true whatsoever. But they heard my parents saying things along those lines for years, they simply thought I wasn’t a good person. You guys think 18 is anything more than the legal adult age. There is no ‘period of realization’, there is no age at which everyone wakes up and realizes what parts of their life were normal and what weren’t. I’m 21, and I JUST REALIZED that my friend repeatedly crushing me into the side of the bus as kids and holding me there until I almost snapped and then letting me go, and doing it again after a little break, I JUST REALIZED that was very harmful to me. I JUST realized that even though I wasn’t a POW, she was sadistically torturing me. That’s a lot of psychological damage for an 8 year old. And it took me 13 years to realize it wasn’t just a reason I ‘didn’t like her’. And yeah, I genuinely thought that it wasn’t that big of a deal and that she was just “being a bully” and that I didn’t like it much. I have kelithrophobia as a result of that, didn’t realize it until THIRTEEN YEARS LATER. Give Maya a fcking break. She’s clearly realizing the messed up side of the house, why is she a bad person because she wasn’t the ‘perfect’ victim that was always attacked and never did anything wrong? Did your golden child sibling never change and that’s why the only thing you wanted to say about this story was to mock someone who’s changing? Yeah, as soon as the special treatment goes away things will change, because she’s no longer being brainwashed by contrasting treatment. Like my f***ing god, when did Maya have to change to not be a bad person to YOU? At what point during mayas childhood was she supposed to know everything that she hadn’t been taught and make those realizations on her own? At what point was she supposed to just magically realize it wasn’t normal?
Story 1 was the cringest thing and that was even before it got to the abuse part from the brother outing OP. Sounded like a terminally online person who's trapped themselves in echo chambers.
20 secons and i already hate him
It took you twenty it took me 10
@@juliearmfield2634 I haven't even started the video and I already hate him.
I reached the end and found no redeeming qualities... which is a rare feat.
@@mikea491oh wait the more he runs his mouth the more disgusting he becomes.
@@Maninawigmore common than you actually think tbh
“I didn’t force her 🥺”
Dude u literally told your wife it’s either an open relationship or a divorce. You didn’t exactly gave her a choice
The first story: “i had to open up my marriage for MYSELF, and i threatened divorce if my wife did not agree. She’s not respecting my boundaries, even though i chewed hers up and spit them in her face! Then when i tried to separate, i realized she wasn’t taking CARE of me anymore and I changed my mind!”
What do you mean she should leave? If you don’t respect her boundaries you ask her to break the boundaries by having a open relationship you
Story 2: Yeah sorry but, YTA, The OP is trying WAY too hard here.
story #1: wtf based fundies
Story one selfish bastard.
... marriage means nothing. thats embarrassing.
That one is funny.
Everyone saying first guy is wrong is kinda being old fashioned Christian whip you until your straight types. It took a LOT of time into the first story before it turned from “what we wanted was different and I told her, saying we can either separate or she can accept this part of me” to “I want my cake and I want to eat it.”
Like, don’t get me wrong, guys a dud, but it took way longer than 20 seconds and his first statement to assess that. The idea that a guy would wanna sleep around inherently is vitriolic but he went to his wife and said “I’d this makes you uncomfortable we will divorce.” Like at that point it kinda IS a dick move for being jealous and acting petty
Ok but here's the thing. We have all the information to say he's wrong. We're not just being old fashioned. He lied and said she was ok with this. She was never ok with that. The more he was questioned the more his lies unraveled until a family member finally put all the facts out there. She was never being petty 🤷♀️ she was being abused.
It didn't take ANY time at all. The guy was allegedly physically and emotionally abusing his wife before he sprang the open marriage bs. Threatening divorce is him forcing her into an open marriage, the moment she got serious about separating suddenly she becomes his "lovely wife" and he suddenly realises how amazing she is and that he's suddenly now ready to be monogamous. On top of that, his wife couldn't sleep around in their "open" marriage. Sure lmao. It was ALWAYS about him being an abusive cake-eater, he just tried hiding it at first.
This has nothing to do with being "old-fashioned" and much more to do with being able to see the red flags in this guy
"even if you date overseas" is one of those o_O moments