TB's 'King of the Hill' format was the best one to date, and sent ripples accross the community far and wide, attracting pros as well as a vast audience. I honestly don't any reason at all to not try and bring this back, even for at least one season in honor of TB. I bet he would've loved that.
I've literally wanted to comment about it myself. Also I remember including additional prize goals like (most interesting play, strategy) voted by viewers. other than that it had donations to every player showing up. Plus sometimes crazy, non-meta maps.
In the last game I noticed that he saw the adept shades and start running away before your shade finished. Maybe it would help to wait near the nexus with the shades for about 1 second before moving them into the mineral line, so that the shade finishes instantly when they arrive near the workers?
Type of tournament format which I would like to see - Bo9 series when each player plays every race against other - so that we have all match-ups covered! This way we can see who of 2 players is better not only with their own race but in general! Match-up with their main races could be set as a last final game!
Would love a tournament where you give people custom challenges. Like, Serral has to proxy hatch while Maru can only build ghosts. (Of course, it'll be tricky to balance this, but I trust you, and the players will have to get creative! You could even do it where you give each player 3 options and they have to choose one.)
Couple tournment ideas I thought of: -400 supply 1v1's -12 man ffa, players spawn in groups of 2(basically 6 1v1's in close poximity) -2 maps seperated by unmovable space 1v1( essentially playing 2 games at once) -1v1 island style (no land path to bases)
For your tournament ideas - what about something in the vein of TotalBiscuit's old Clan Wars series? Not necessarily getting the clans involved and all that, but the crazy maps he had created for them with bizarre features that tended to throw out meta builds. IDK if they even exist any more, but there's a chance you could even get ahold of those maps from back in the day.
A tournament format that would be cool would be a 3v3, where each team has 1 of each race, and 2 players instantly leave to make it a 1v1. So *each player has all 3 races to work with, starts on 3 bases, and has 600 supply limit*.
Haven't played SC2 for ages, but must admit, I just love watching this channel. So much fun and positive energy that it is contagious. Thank you, Marc.
Would be cool if you and some of the other SC2 creators started a Discord together. Dedicated to growing the community, and coordinate the challenges or tournaments you want to do.
FFA tournament- 8 Players play 5 matches total, and accrue points in reverse order of their elimination (winner gets 8, second is 7, etc). high score wins, second and third place get consolation prizes. this will encourage strategic sniping in the late rounds to try to get point leaders out of the game early and could be great fun. 5 matches also gets you potentially 5 videos worth of content.
I really like the 2v2 tournament. I think this part has never been looked at on a professional level, other so in the audience. If we would learn 2v2 strategies from pros, that would be awesome!
I would love a battle royal tournament or like some of those wacky mod maps but with pros and chunky price pool to motivate them. I’d pay to see Clem play in one of those 😂
I'd love to see you do the strat of building the fastest mothership possible with a proxied nexus. It would just be so funny to see your opponents' reactions when the mothership arrives!
While I would aboslutely love to see a FFA, I'm afraid alliances between players would make the result extremely predictable. Two players working together will almost always win a FFA, and then they split the prize between them afterwards. A XvX format (2v2, 3v3, etc.) would probably fare better, because it doesn't leave room for gaming the system. It would also be amazing to see something like "the winner is the most cost effective player", "the game has to finish in 10 minutes, or you both lose", or "weird house rule games" (e.g. you can only make buildings in the first 4 minutes, or every worker must be rallied to another base)
Also, even if there are no alliances, the obviously optimal strategy in a FFA is to just never attack anyone (except maybe your neighbor at the start of the game so you have more room to expand). It always gets to a point where even if you "could" beat someone, it would cost you too much to do it and you'd go on to lose either way, so everyone just turtles and nothing actually happens until people get too bored. It's just not a format that lends itself well to competitive play.
Archon Mode format with pros sounds like it could be interesting, sc2 is balanced around 1v1, here we mix things up without losing the typical gameplay. i'd like to see how the meta shifts as highly aggressive styles get rewarded with the extra APM available to the players.
I had ideas for a 'Bounty Hunter' format, essentially, you'd have a bunch of challenges a player could complete in a game to get extra money and points. Winning still grants you a large portion of money and points, there is enough that if you lose say 1-2, but successfully complete and pull off more challenges than your opponent, then you could potentially advance instead of them. These challenges would be things which would make the game much more interesting and difficult, you could have a large list of these for each race, more difficult challenges having higher point rewards which players have at their disposal. The inspiration I had for this is this old Harstem video: th-cam.com/video/puVEffT2TJA/w-d-xo.html As for more specific details, that creative freedom is entirely your choice.
I can only imagine a tournament where they have to "draw" a cheese/theme before every game. Thermy's Theme'd Tournament. Would change the standard war into pure chaos.
I would love a 3v3 tournament. FFA is defiantly fun to watch because the strongest player almost never wins. And you could do a lot with 1v1 format where all players have to use one of your “___ to GM” challenges, or a monobattles 1v1 or monobattles 2v2 tournament would be incredible as well
Make a cheese tournament. Put a bunch of cheese strategies in a hat, players pull a strat out of the hat right before their game. Judges make sure the player adheres to the cheese rules.
I think you are on to something Uthermal in creating your own tournament ... could be the beginning of Uthermal's Katowice! gotta start somewhere maybe 1 massive tournament x every 13 weeks (quarter)
I think a FFA would be a great idea! You could also implement hidden objectives for each player with incentives to make things extra spicy. For example, an objective could be eliminate player X first for an extra $50 or something. And each player has a different player they need to take out first. Archon mode would be fun as well, or 2v2v2v2 or 3v3 Regardless, love that you're thinking about hosting some cool events. Looking forward to it!
Also saw someone else wrote it - Hidden Cup would be epic. All players play under a hidden identity, which is revealed at the end. And probably I'd suggest having everyone play random to keep the identities more masked.
In terms of the format of the tournament you can do it like a world cup. groups of 4. 1 game against every player in your group, acumulate points per win. The first 2 players of every group advance to an elimination stage. And even in elimination stage its just one game and you're out. It would be a quick and fun tournament with a lot on the line for every game.
I think a “bounty” points system could make a good form. At the start, every player is worth 1 point. As players advance their wins, they become worth more points. A player with a 7-1 record is worth more than a 1-7 player. Every one will play each other once. Or if duos/team/etc the points are based on the winning/losing player scores. If someone has a bad start, they can collect “bounty” points from beating players with those higher win scores. Also, a player who is already in the lead will not keep raising their score by beating players with a low score card-they need to beat high score card players to have the highest points at the end. Incentivizing a high score to begin with, the score card at the end will be added as a bonus to their overall collected points. A player who only beats high score card plays might still win, but having a high score card to begin with will give a buffer. Any first place ties can be a best-of-match or if enough players are tied then co-op showdown.
Teams are super fun. And by that I mean like 5 people on each team and they play another team in 1v1 or 2v2 or whatever and whoever loses "dies" and can't play again (possibly just in whatever mode they 'died' in). Keeping it more simple, 2v2 is great to watch imo, especially with comms.
3v3 tourny with max supply of 80 for each player - they would need to decide if they want economy or army instead of just maxing out and going for super long game
For your tournament ideas: I always liked Random Race Invitationals: Everyone has to choose random and the first thing you do ist to tell your opponent your race. Would work in a 2v2 (or a 2v2v2v2 ^^) as well.
I think a Hunger Games FFA would be a cool tournament idea, where people can make teams (maybe even make new agreements in game) but in the end there can only be one winner so alliances will inevitably be broken. A team (of a max number of people of course) could even agree to split the prize pool if they are the last players standing.
I don't like this, I think practicing unity and teamwork is more important in today's age than practicing backstabbing - yes, it's entertaining but in a sordid kind of way.
I would like an off race tournament think that could be cool. I also think a cool idea could be content creators getting to coach a bronze player for a month and then having the bronze players play and the bronze and their coaches play a 2v2 could provide good content and build up good mix of memes and actual educational content. Love your videos and will support whatever you choose!
Would LOVE to see a wacky tournament. An FFA would be fascinating, especially if it was well narrated or if it was large enough to force players into early aggression to survive. A slightly customized map with a limited resource start, either with two players competing for the same mineral pool or something that almost guaranteed a battle with your immediate neighbor could be a great way to prevent alliances and create a live tournament that builds on itself as each small skirmish joins the larger one.
A "reverse archon" tournament. It's set up as a 2v2 but one player from each team drops out right away like you do in your 1v2 games. Players have to choose 2 different races and play them both at the same time. Would make for some interesting army compositions
Easy option. Pro 2v2 or 3v3 or 4v4 monobattles (or duo-battles) would be fun. (with pure random units) Harder option. Custom-made 'challenge'-maps where pros play FFAs while only being randomly assigned with 'your challenges' or some other silly ones for other races locking them only to those units: - Ghosts only - Raven-hellion - Widow-mine/Cyclone - Air terran - Stalker or Zealot only for toss - Phoenix-Immortal for toss - Zergling - Something-else(not sure) - Hydra only - Queen only? - Locusts only etc etc will take some preparation and map-modding to do
You have not seen videos from PIG and the person who started the Nexus rush the sewer mermaid.. You need to have 2 probes do mineral walk so it only looks like 1 probe then when you enter base you split them apart and he misses it and sees your one probe and also sees it leave base.. then you have 2nd probe build the nexus :)
A cool idea for a tournament is make all the players play each other where players get *rewarded for short game* times. So if 10 players compete for example, Every round: The 5 losers get 0 points, 4 of the winners get 1 point for winning and the winner with the shortest game gets 2 points. At the end of the 9 rounds you tally up all the points.
Hilarious episode, love the backdoor recall. As a lowly gold player, I'd really like to play in one of those tournaments where multiple people can control the units. Harstem called it Archon Mode I believe?
I have long time though of cheese to mine enemy base with terran. Early scv scout to 3rd base to enemy 4th base and mine it with mules and max scv that can be lift with base to go next one if found 🤔 Well at least that i have in mind, but with my skill. I die before i can even get 3rd base... Can it be done? Or is it just stupid turtle terran idea??
I've following idea for a tournement. You make a pool of all the cheesy challenges you ever did, every player in the tournement draws one of them for the game, opponent does not know which challenge he is playing against, and you can try to cheese each other. You can either invite other streamer/known players like Harstem or you can play against your viewers.
Hey, love watching. Ive never played SC2 so i dont know if this is viable or even possible but what about trying to steal every gas from the enemy ? maybe drop in workers if possible :D
It'd be interesting to have a pro tournament with a random strategy twist, where a few seconds before they play they get assigned a random prompt and if they don't follow it they lose regardless of the result. Could be general like Cheese/ Hidden Base/ Sky Units or race-specific like "Mass Marine", "Skytoss", "Proxy Hatch", "Mech", etc. It would be interesting to see which pro can think on the fly and be creative
you can mineral walk 2 probes into their base stacked on top of each other so it looks like one probe, move to the corner in Fog. split them up and act like you're normally scouting. build a nexas with the other
Would be epic to do a "Secret Challenge" tournament. You have a wheel of a bunch of challenges for each race, and before each game, spin the wheel for each player and privately message them their challenge. To win, they have to win the game while sticking to the challenge. (Win = +1, do challenge = +1, player with more points at end of series wins.)
Awesome episode. Now, Here are some ideas for the tournaments: 2v2 Pro Player or Master 1 and above Anchor mode diamond and above? 100 supply limit 1v1 300 supply limit 1v1 100 supply limit 3v3 😁 and yeah, I've probably gone to far😅 but then again I'm an uThermal fan and sometimes nothing seems too crazy
How about something like the twitch pogchamps in chess? If you could recruit a few content creators to play, it could be fun seeing them get coached and go up against each other. Also 2v2 or 3v3 with one of the newb content creators + some pros.
The best way to do SCII Tournaments is how they should do it on a pro level. It would mean its the actual best player that wins. And not just the best Zerg that wins. And it will add tactic, choices and more excitement. There are 3 races in SCII, and you have to play them all. One has first pick, and the other can choose what to pick against it. So a Protoss player might choose to start with Terren, so he is sure he has his best option for map two if he lose or wins. Might want to start out with the best you have. And the other player might want to pick his weakest race against the other players strongest if he does not think he can beat that 1 race, but the two others. Meaning you will end up with the overall best SCII player. In BO5. Its the same, you just choose a race you only play once. And you have to play all 3 races before you can use the same race again. This will get better games. It will be less the same over and over. It will add more choices for the pros. And it negates the poor balancing of the game. Meaning you don't just win the world championship because you have the right race, but because you are the best. Its how pro SCII should be played.
I would love to see a tournament with different rules, if you can get pro players flexing their high mmr brains to adapt to how different rules would affect the match, half health/double damage, twice movement speed, half building speed, double mining rate, I don't know what one of these if any would be fun but you're exactly right about the desire to see pros play outside the regular format. Maybe other crazy things like having pros play from a replay where the game is quite even but doing that blind, I don't know exactly but that kind of outside the box content doesn't exist at all and would be very fun.
Not sure about anyone else, but I do really appreciate mini league type of events. Like Something to last a couple months. Every week play a certain number of matches in best of 3 and create a mini ladder where the winner can get a decent amount. It creates a tension in every match and even a rough start can lead to good underdog story of sorts.
Well, I still believe that some kind of 2v2 format would be cool for a tournament! The madness that can come out of there is amazing, and mostly unexplored
I would like to have a 2v2 tournament but with switching teams. 1. a+b vs. c+d, etc... 2. a+c vs. b+d 3. a+d vs. b+c Once all team have played, you can look if one player won the most number of games, if no winner is clear the teams play again (matchball) in the switching teams until one player leads with at least one game against the next best player
ahh if only we could do Phantom mode (A many player FFA/team match where everyone is allied at the start, after a few minutes 1-3 players become phantoms who win only when they are the last person standing, but gain extra income and have to keep it secret until they betray everyone, meanwhile normal players win by killing all the phantoms) Supreme commander Forged Alliance had some great matches in that format.
I would love a tournament with non-meta units. For example, you forbid some of the units, put a limit on other type of units (looking at zerg) and see what happens
Can do a tournament like the Davis Cup, teams select 4 players and let them play 1v1 (2 matches, maybe opponent selects from your team?), 2v2, 3v3 and 4v4. So a best of 5 but different. You can have 8 teams (32 players), might be doable.
Archon king of the hill. You have one player compete against an archon (duo of two players). If the player wins he gets 100$, if the archon wins, they now have to 1v1 to get the king of the kill spot and so on. Might be fun :D
I got a cheeky little challenge with zerg. Idk if it's worthy of a series but u should definitely try it. Try to get 250 supply or superior, with the extractor trick. Ive tried it with up to 30 cancelled spine crawlers at the time
Nutty tourney idea: "pro player holdout". I'll kick in a decent monthly for this, hit me up. 1. Each match is 3 pro players: one defender, two attackers 2. Defender chooses attackers' races 3. Each game is played until defender is eliminated (no gg) 4. Rotate through players so each one defends 5. Winner is the pro who lasts longest against two attackers Variant options: a. Attackers cannot give orders for 00:30 or so b. Instead of 2v1, give defender an AI partner (need sanity rule for terran defenders to prevent lifting off buildings to extend time, of course)
For something out of the comfort zone of pro players, try organizing an Archon tournament. 2v2 always seems to abuse / misuse the synergy between races (i.e. repairing protoss units with an SCV). Which can obviously also be fun.
I love the idea of a tournament where every game you pick a unit and both teams are only allowed that unit. (they'd have to play the same race tho) Just imagine tvt and they're only allowed widowmines
For tournaments, I wanna see like 2 random viewers versus you. A 2v2 with all pro players or high rank would also be fun. And a giant free for all would be chaotic and super funny probably. Though I imagine you'd probably get targeted in that FFA. Other people have suggested that you use some of those crazy mods like Battle Royale which would also be fun. Any customer game mode would be nice
A 2 pro players archon vs 3 GM players team tournament ? Or something like that. The Archon format is quite nice. Or also there is the possibility to do a pro players "King of the Hill" with commanders mod.
TB's 'King of the Hill' format was the best one to date, and sent ripples accross the community far and wide, attracting pros as well as a vast audience. I honestly don't any reason at all to not try and bring this back, even for at least one season in honor of TB. I bet he would've loved that.
this is a fantastic idea
RIP TotalBiscuit forever making proxy bcs in our hearts
I've literally wanted to comment about it myself. Also I remember including additional prize goals like (most interesting play, strategy) voted by viewers. other than that it had donations to every player showing up. Plus sometimes crazy, non-meta maps.
@@Robothuck and forever cementing every proxy tank atemempt as an immediately recognizable meme
King of the Biscuit would be pretty awesome
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In the last game I noticed that he saw the adept shades and start running away before your shade finished. Maybe it would help to wait near the nexus with the shades for about 1 second before moving them into the mineral line, so that the shade finishes instantly when they arrive near the workers?
Type of tournament format which I would like to see - Bo9 series when each player plays every race against other - so that we have all match-ups covered! This way we can see who of 2 players is better not only with their own race but in general! Match-up with their main races could be set as a last final game!
love this idea
Would love a tournament where you give people custom challenges. Like, Serral has to proxy hatch while Maru can only build ghosts. (Of course, it'll be tricky to balance this, but I trust you, and the players will have to get creative! You could even do it where you give each player 3 options and they have to choose one.)
Couple tournment ideas I thought of:
-400 supply 1v1's
-12 man ffa, players spawn in groups of 2(basically 6 1v1's in close poximity)
-2 maps seperated by unmovable space 1v1( essentially playing 2 games at once)
-1v1 island style (no land path to bases)
For your tournament ideas - what about something in the vein of TotalBiscuit's old Clan Wars series? Not necessarily getting the clans involved and all that, but the crazy maps he had created for them with bizarre features that tended to throw out meta builds. IDK if they even exist any more, but there's a chance you could even get ahold of those maps from back in the day.
A tournament format that would be cool would be a 3v3, where each team has 1 of each race, and 2 players instantly leave to make it a 1v1. So *each player has all 3 races to work with, starts on 3 bases, and has 600 supply limit*.
Haven't played SC2 for ages, but must admit, I just love watching this channel. So much fun and positive energy that it is contagious. Thank you, Marc.
Would be cool if you and some of the other SC2 creators started a Discord together. Dedicated to growing the community, and coordinate the challenges or tournaments you want to do.
Streamer League. Korean pro league but with streamers as team captains.
FFA tournament- 8 Players play 5 matches total, and accrue points in reverse order of their elimination (winner gets 8, second is 7, etc). high score wins, second and third place get consolation prizes. this will encourage strategic sniping in the late rounds to try to get point leaders out of the game early and could be great fun. 5 matches also gets you potentially 5 videos worth of content.
I really like the 2v2 tournament. I think this part has never been looked at on a professional level, other so in the audience. If we would learn 2v2 strategies from pros, that would be awesome!
Woo, just in time for a new uThermal video. 😍
I would love a battle royal tournament or like some of those wacky mod maps but with pros and chunky price pool to motivate them. I’d pay to see Clem play in one of those 😂
Always nice to be early for some Uthermy content
I'd love to see you do the strat of building the fastest mothership possible with a proxied nexus. It would just be so funny to see your opponents' reactions when the mothership arrives!
The reactions when people find a nexus in their base are the best. The pure confusion I love it
While I would aboslutely love to see a FFA, I'm afraid alliances between players would make the result extremely predictable. Two players working together will almost always win a FFA, and then they split the prize between them afterwards. A XvX format (2v2, 3v3, etc.) would probably fare better, because it doesn't leave room for gaming the system. It would also be amazing to see something like "the winner is the most cost effective player", "the game has to finish in 10 minutes, or you both lose", or "weird house rule games" (e.g. you can only make buildings in the first 4 minutes, or every worker must be rallied to another base)
Also, even if there are no alliances, the obviously optimal strategy in a FFA is to just never attack anyone (except maybe your neighbor at the start of the game so you have more room to expand). It always gets to a point where even if you "could" beat someone, it would cost you too much to do it and you'd go on to lose either way, so everyone just turtles and nothing actually happens until people get too bored.
It's just not a format that lends itself well to competitive play.
@@asdfqwerty9241 I was thinking about this as well and thought maybe players could be ranked by resources destroyed rather than time lived.
Archon Mode format with pros sounds like it could be interesting, sc2 is balanced around 1v1, here we mix things up without losing the typical gameplay. i'd like to see how the meta shifts as highly aggressive styles get rewarded with the extra APM available to the players.
I had ideas for a 'Bounty Hunter' format, essentially, you'd have a bunch of challenges a player could complete in a game to get extra money and points.
Winning still grants you a large portion of money and points, there is enough that if you lose say 1-2, but successfully complete and pull off more challenges than your opponent, then you could potentially advance instead of them.
These challenges would be things which would make the game much more interesting and difficult, you could have a large list of these for each race, more difficult challenges having higher point rewards which players have at their disposal.
The inspiration I had for this is this old Harstem video: th-cam.com/video/puVEffT2TJA/w-d-xo.html
As for more specific details, that creative freedom is entirely your choice.
If nothing else, this was a masterclass in holding against a 12-pool + drone pull as Protoss!
For real right.
I can only imagine a tournament where they have to "draw" a cheese/theme before every game. Thermy's Theme'd Tournament. Would change the standard war into pure chaos.
With chess terminology, it would be like "Thermy attack opening: proxy nexus variation" :D
I would love a 3v3 tournament. FFA is defiantly fun to watch because the strongest player almost never wins. And you could do a lot with 1v1 format where all players have to use one of your “___ to GM” challenges, or a monobattles 1v1 or monobattles 2v2 tournament would be incredible as well
Make a cheese tournament. Put a bunch of cheese strategies in a hat, players pull a strat out of the hat right before their game. Judges make sure the player adheres to the cheese rules.
I think you are on to something Uthermal in creating your own tournament ... could be the beginning of Uthermal's Katowice! gotta start somewhere maybe 1 massive tournament
x every 13 weeks (quarter)
I think a FFA would be a great idea! You could also implement hidden objectives for each player with incentives to make things extra spicy. For example, an objective could be eliminate player X first for an extra $50 or something. And each player has a different player they need to take out first.
Archon mode would be fun as well, or 2v2v2v2 or 3v3
Regardless, love that you're thinking about hosting some cool events. Looking forward to it!
Hell yeah. I’d love some 2v2 or FFA tourneys. Could even do something super silly like a “fastest map possible” tournament
Also saw someone else wrote it - Hidden Cup would be epic. All players play under a hidden identity, which is revealed at the end. And probably I'd suggest having everyone play random to keep the identities more masked.
In terms of the format of the tournament you can do it like a world cup. groups of 4. 1 game against every player in your group, acumulate points per win. The first 2 players of every group advance to an elimination stage. And even in elimination stage its just one game and you're out. It would be a quick and fun tournament with a lot on the line for every game.
Mark: He doesn't have a single probe left
Probe: 18:20, AM I JOKE TO YOU?!
T90's hidden cup in AoE2 was a lot of fun to watch. Not sure how well it would translate to SC2.
Yeahhh! I've always wanted to see this in SC2. Make everyone play random for best results!
Would love to see you stack the probes like flo does to sneak an extra probe into the base
I think a “bounty” points system could make a good form. At the start, every player is worth 1 point. As players advance their wins, they become worth more points. A player with a 7-1 record is worth more than a 1-7 player. Every one will play each other once. Or if duos/team/etc the points are based on the winning/losing player scores. If someone has a bad start, they can collect “bounty” points from beating players with those higher win scores. Also, a player who is already in the lead will not keep raising their score by beating players with a low score card-they need to beat high score card players to have the highest points at the end.
Incentivizing a high score to begin with, the score card at the end will be added as a bonus to their overall collected points. A player who only beats high score card plays might still win, but having a high score card to begin with will give a buffer.
Any first place ties can be a best-of-match or if enough players are tied then co-op showdown.
Teams are super fun. And by that I mean like 5 people on each team and they play another team in 1v1 or 2v2 or whatever and whoever loses "dies" and can't play again (possibly just in whatever mode they 'died' in). Keeping it more simple, 2v2 is great to watch imo, especially with comms.
Ah! The Florencio flows strong in this one….
3v3 tourny with max supply of 80 for each player - they would need to decide if they want economy or army instead of just maxing out and going for super long game
Great idea! They will have to coordinate attacks for max potential
For your tournament ideas: I always liked Random Race Invitationals: Everyone has to choose random and the first thing you do ist to tell your opponent your race. Would work in a 2v2 (or a 2v2v2v2 ^^) as well.
I think a Hunger Games FFA would be a cool tournament idea, where people can make teams (maybe even make new agreements in game) but in the end there can only be one winner so alliances will inevitably be broken. A team (of a max number of people of course) could even agree to split the prize pool if they are the last players standing.
I don't like this, I think practicing unity and teamwork is more important in today's age than practicing backstabbing - yes, it's entertaining but in a sordid kind of way.
I would like an off race tournament think that could be cool. I also think a cool idea could be content creators getting to coach a bronze player for a month and then having the bronze players play and the bronze and their coaches play a 2v2 could provide good content and build up good mix of memes and actual educational content. Love your videos and will support whatever you choose!
Would LOVE to see a wacky tournament. An FFA would be fascinating, especially if it was well narrated or if it was large enough to force players into early aggression to survive. A slightly customized map with a limited resource start, either with two players competing for the same mineral pool or something that almost guaranteed a battle with your immediate neighbor could be a great way to prevent alliances and create a live tournament that builds on itself as each small skirmish joins the larger one.
The good old..nexus in someone base,florencio made this popular on pig channel.
I think total biscuit (rip) had a great format with his king of the hill format. would be nice to see that again.
A "reverse archon" tournament. It's set up as a 2v2 but one player from each team drops out right away like you do in your 1v2 games. Players have to choose 2 different races and play them both at the same time. Would make for some interesting army compositions
Easy option. Pro 2v2 or 3v3 or 4v4 monobattles (or duo-battles) would be fun. (with pure random units)
Harder option. Custom-made 'challenge'-maps where pros play FFAs while only being randomly assigned with 'your challenges' or some other silly ones for other races locking them only to those units:
- Ghosts only
- Raven-hellion
- Widow-mine/Cyclone
- Air terran
- Stalker or Zealot only for toss
- Phoenix-Immortal for toss
- Zergling - Something-else(not sure)
- Hydra only
- Queen only?
- Locusts only
etc etc
will take some preparation and map-modding to do
Would love to see a random vs random tournament.
I think a 2v2 tournament would be awesome, but instead of having set teams, you change partners in a Round Robin style!
It would be great to have a BO3 tournament where players can‘t play their main race. Only the final is BO5 and in a decider you can chose your main.
You have not seen videos from PIG and the person who started the Nexus rush the sewer mermaid.. You need to have 2 probes do mineral walk so it only looks like 1 probe then when you enter base you split them apart and he misses it and sees your one probe and also sees it leave base.. then you have 2nd probe build the nexus :)
This Mermaid sounds very creative.
Ffa tournament sounds fun. You can bring back the good 2v2 archon mode aswell to spice things up.
A cool idea for a tournament is make all the players play each other where players get *rewarded for short game* times. So if 10 players compete for example, Every round: The 5 losers get 0 points, 4 of the winners get 1 point for winning and the winner with the shortest game gets 2 points. At the end of the 9 rounds you tally up all the points.
I would love to see an off-race tournament.
Hilarious episode, love the backdoor recall. As a lowly gold player, I'd really like to play in one of those tournaments where multiple people can control the units. Harstem called it Archon Mode I believe?
Yeah, that's a real mode you can play.
I have long time though of cheese to mine enemy base with terran. Early scv scout to 3rd base to enemy 4th base and mine it with mules and max scv that can be lift with base to go next one if found 🤔
Well at least that i have in mind, but with my skill. I die before i can even get 3rd base...
Can it be done? Or is it just stupid turtle terran idea??
I've following idea for a tournement. You make a pool of all the cheesy challenges you ever did, every player in the tournement draws one of them for the game, opponent does not know which challenge he is playing against, and you can try to cheese each other.
You can either invite other streamer/known players like Harstem or you can play against your viewers.
So nice to see uThermal playing sewer-mermaid style! "what if florencio could actually micro and macro"
Hey, love watching. Ive never played SC2 so i dont know if this is viable or even possible but what about trying to steal every gas from the enemy ? maybe drop in workers if possible :D
Good strat for a non-player. Stealing gas was common once. You force the opponent to change/mess his build order.
It'd be interesting to have a pro tournament with a random strategy twist, where a few seconds before they play they get assigned a random prompt and if they don't follow it they lose regardless of the result. Could be general like Cheese/ Hidden Base/ Sky Units or race-specific like "Mass Marine", "Skytoss", "Proxy Hatch", "Mech", etc. It would be interesting to see which pro can think on the fly and be creative
2v2v2 or 2v2v2v2 could make a vid for each team including their "internal" chat, if they agree =)
you can mineral walk 2 probes into their base stacked on top of each other so it looks like one probe, move to the corner in Fog. split them up and act like you're normally scouting. build a nexas with the other
you're an amazing sc2 player AND an amazing content creator. What a legend! Keep up the great work uThermal
Would be epic to do a "Secret Challenge" tournament. You have a wheel of a bunch of challenges for each race, and before each game, spin the wheel for each player and privately message them their challenge. To win, they have to win the game while sticking to the challenge.
(Win = +1, do challenge = +1, player with more points at end of series wins.)
a themed cheese tournament, like 5 - 7 different cheeses that get randomly assigned to each player every game.
Awesome episode. Now, Here are some ideas for the tournaments:
2v2 Pro Player or Master 1 and above
Anchor mode diamond and above?
100 supply limit 1v1
300 supply limit 1v1
100 supply limit 3v3
😁 and yeah, I've probably gone to far😅 but then again I'm an uThermal fan and sometimes nothing seems too crazy
Uthermal complaining “why are they so cheesy??”😂
How about something like the twitch pogchamps in chess? If you could recruit a few content creators to play, it could be fun seeing them get coached and go up against each other. Also 2v2 or 3v3 with one of the newb content creators + some pros.
The best way to do SCII Tournaments is how they should do it on a pro level.
It would mean its the actual best player that wins. And not just the best Zerg that wins.
And it will add tactic, choices and more excitement.
There are 3 races in SCII, and you have to play them all.
One has first pick, and the other can choose what to pick against it.
So a Protoss player might choose to start with Terren, so he is sure he has his best option for map two if he lose or wins.
Might want to start out with the best you have. And the other player might want to pick his weakest race against the other players strongest if he does not think he can beat that 1 race, but the two others.
Meaning you will end up with the overall best SCII player.
In BO5. Its the same, you just choose a race you only play once. And you have to play all 3 races before you can use the same race again.
This will get better games. It will be less the same over and over. It will add more choices for the pros.
And it negates the poor balancing of the game. Meaning you don't just win the world championship because you have the right race, but because you are the best.
Its how pro SCII should be played.
I would love to see a tournament with different rules, if you can get pro players flexing their high mmr brains to adapt to how different rules would affect the match, half health/double damage, twice movement speed, half building speed, double mining rate, I don't know what one of these if any would be fun but you're exactly right about the desire to see pros play outside the regular format. Maybe other crazy things like having pros play from a replay where the game is quite even but doing that blind, I don't know exactly but that kind of outside the box content doesn't exist at all and would be very fun.
Not sure about anyone else, but I do really appreciate mini league type of events. Like Something to last a couple months. Every week play a certain number of matches in best of 3 and create a mini ladder where the winner can get a decent amount.
It creates a tension in every match and even a rough start can lead to good underdog story of sorts.
do a tournaments where all participants have to do randomized challenges
FFA tournament is something I've been begging for! Archon tourney could be fun too.
Well, I still believe that some kind of 2v2 format would be cool for a tournament! The madness that can come out of there is amazing, and mostly unexplored
"Pro's Play Random for $X" or a 2v2 tourney that ends in a 4-way FFA between the first and second team for the grand prize.
That sounds awesome, I would love a FFA tourney or a 2v2 or 3v3 tourney. Maybe an island map tourney too?
Well played. Loved the final game!
Published 22 seconds ago, great timing.
I would like to have a 2v2 tournament but with switching teams.
1. a+b vs. c+d, etc...
2. a+c vs. b+d
3. a+d vs. b+c
Once all team have played, you can look if one player won the most number of games, if no winner is clear the teams play again (matchball) in the switching teams until one player leads with at least one game against the next best player
So kinda like a 2v2 round robin? Could be fun!
A team tournament with a decent prize pool would be awesome! I'm sure you could crowdsource the prize money
I have been waiting a decade now for 2v2 pro games to become a thing. I think they are so much more interesting than 1v1 games.
I love FFAs but the one I really liked was Beast of the Hill that Beastyqt came up with. Super fun mode
Try stacking two probes and splitting one off when they're out of vision so you can hide the nexus better.
ahh if only we could do Phantom mode (A many player FFA/team match where everyone is allied at the start, after a few minutes 1-3 players become phantoms who win only when they are the last person standing, but gain extra income and have to keep it secret until they betray everyone, meanwhile normal players win by killing all the phantoms) Supreme commander Forged Alliance had some great matches in that format.
Blizzard should make it possible to restart any replay from any point, for that whole "I coulda won that / could anyone win from here?" thing.
I would love a tournament with non-meta units. For example, you forbid some of the units, put a limit on other type of units (looking at zerg) and see what happens
Can do a tournament like the Davis Cup, teams select 4 players and let them play 1v1 (2 matches, maybe opponent selects from your team?), 2v2, 3v3 and 4v4. So a best of 5 but different. You can have 8 teams (32 players), might be doable.
Archon king of the hill. You have one player compete against an archon (duo of two players). If the player wins he gets 100$, if the archon wins, they now have to 1v1 to get the king of the kill spot and so on. Might be fun :D
I got a cheeky little challenge with zerg. Idk if it's worthy of a series but u should definitely try it. Try to get 250 supply or superior, with the extractor trick. Ive tried it with up to 30 cancelled spine crawlers at the time
Nutty tourney idea: "pro player holdout". I'll kick in a decent monthly for this, hit me up.
1. Each match is 3 pro players: one defender, two attackers
2. Defender chooses attackers' races
3. Each game is played until defender is eliminated (no gg)
4. Rotate through players so each one defends
5. Winner is the pro who lasts longest against two attackers
Variant options:
a. Attackers cannot give orders for 00:30 or so
b. Instead of 2v1, give defender an AI partner
(need sanity rule for terran defenders to prevent lifting off buildings to extend time, of course)
I think just simple 2v2 and archon mode tournaments could be fun :)
I'd love to see team games 2x2 / 3x3 or even 4x4 would be amazing
100% agree love team games and play that more vs 1v1
A uThermal challenge rules tournament of course.
For something out of the comfort zone of pro players, try organizing an Archon tournament. 2v2 always seems to abuse / misuse the synergy between races (i.e. repairing protoss units with an SCV). Which can obviously also be fun.
He had a pretty good one but wasn't telling. He was Protoss "Tight Lips"
I've been wanting to see a Random tournament forever.
Loving proxy nexus so far. Next time you should recall the probes too it'll be funny.
I love the idea of a tournament where every game you pick a unit and both teams are only allowed that unit. (they'd have to play the same race tho)
Just imagine tvt and they're only allowed widowmines
I love this idea but a 2v2 format with one build each. A bit more variety that way.
For tournaments, I wanna see like 2 random viewers versus you. A 2v2 with all pro players or high rank would also be fun. And a giant free for all would be chaotic and super funny probably. Though I imagine you'd probably get targeted in that FFA.
Other people have suggested that you use some of those crazy mods like Battle Royale which would also be fun. Any customer game mode would be nice
A 2 pro players archon vs 3 GM players team tournament ? Or something like that. The Archon format is quite nice.
Or also there is the possibility to do a pro players "King of the Hill" with commanders mod.
FFA and 2v2 tournament both sound amazing!!!!
1st game, the proxy nexus distracted his zerglings from defending his drones, so, all good
I think 12:00 guy was doing a no gas challenge, so he couldn’t purchase speed