Henry Turner is full of $h!t!
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- Plot twist: Henry Turner @HenryTurnerphoto is NOT full of shit. He is one of my favorite photographers on TH-cam. He is absolutely correct regarding the versatility and speed of use of a zoom lens. I'm just riding his coat tails in my attempt to illustrate how a prime lens can be useful to a landscape photographer.
See Henry's "hate filled rant" against prime lenses here:
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Not a fan of calling fellow TH-cam photographers "full of shit." There is enough hate and inuslts on the internet already. Then taking back calling Henry Truner full of shit in your video description once your click bait tactic has worked hardly makes things better. In fact it's probably worse. You are saying you are going to call somebody "full of shit" just to get clicks. I assume that's what "just riding his coat tails" means? There is enough clickbait divisive hate and anger on the internet already and now you bring a taste of it to landscape photography????
You’ve taken this was more seriously than I did.
Easy bro, it's called a humorous jibe! But you are right, it's seemingly so easy today, to just give in to our prejudices and vent our supposed/assumed/imaginary wrath at anyone we don't agree with, from the safety of our anonymity in this unreal and virtual world within which we are all trapped and ALL consumed by. I have only now just seen my first Tony Hegrefe video and I feel certain his jibes are in jest and not meant to injure. Henry Turner is also a fine and enthusiastic young photographer..
@@paulbonge6617 Easy bro? I wrote a polite paragraph and did not call anyone a "full of shit." It's not humor, it's an insult designed to be click bait.
@@JGG3345 hey if Easy bro offended, then I apologize as I agreed with you and the entire tenor of my response was one deploring the current tendency to “put down” from the safety of our anonymity in the ether, that with which we take umbrage.
@@paulbonge6617 was not offended, just confused. Thanks for the apology but it was not needed. best wishes :)
For me it just comes down to how I'm feeling, sometimes it is nice to just carry a single light prime around and not have too much pressure to capture images. I also like the consistency between shots you can get from shooting at a fixed focal length. The fast aperture can come in handy sometimes but for me it's not the main reason to use a prime for landscapes.
As a wildlife photographer, I find it interesting that having your camera out and handy seems like an unusual concept for your landscape folks :) i guess it's because your compositions tend to hold still longer than mine.
Yeah, trees and mountain tops tend to stay put. Once you know where they are, they’re easy to find.
No crime for being outdone by Simon Baxter - Henry either!
Tony-- I saw the title of your vides and was intrigued. I too follow Henry (and Simon, and several others that you might also) and agree that his enthusiasm in infectious. But when I saw the video you referenced (and before I saw what you thought about his comment), I had exactly the same feeling. To say that primes are for beginners? No, it's almost the opposite. To say that primes are cheaper? Again, not really an accurate generalization. Zooms? I LOVE them and use them far more often than primes. I think Henry got tangled up by trying to explain the difference.
I watch his videos for the pure entertainment, and because he's in a landscape quite different from my area. But I've gathered from many of his videos, that his audience might tend to be less experienced photographers based on the "technical" advice he gives. And even though I think he's wrong about primes, beginners inclined to follow his advice would probably benefit by having zoom lenses. They really are convenient, particularly if you're, ok, I'll say lazy, about moving your feet to optimize your compositions.
I enjoyed your video Tony...first one I've watched, so I think I'll subscribe and see how things go. I also appreciated your comments about having your camera at the ready on a strap instead of in your bag. I see SO many of these photography videos where the camera is in the back, and when it's time to take a picture, out comes the tripod, set up camp, spend an inordinate amount of time doing that, and then the shot is taken. Without going too far down the rabbit hole, tripods have their purpose (just like most elements of gear), but there are photographers who won't take a photo unless their camera is on a tripod...I find that oddly restrictive. In your case you described more the convenience of quickly being able to assess a composition, but I also think there are many hand-holdable shots that people miss because it's so much work to set up camp that they'll only do that when they're convinced they're onto something special.
I think a lot of these guys are digging their cameras out on site for the sake of B-roll. I’ve done it a couple times myself. But I try to put the photography first. Lately, by the time I get to recording, I already have the photo in the can…especially if I fear loosing light. These videos are fun to make, but they do get in the way of the photography.
Woodland photography - you need the right woods some are a busy mess.
Primes are great for those patient enough to use them. I use primes because I get great image quality and zoom lenses as sharp would cost more than I can afford, I use a d7200, quite a demanding censer at 24mp.
You took a this photo with a prime last week and now you came back to take the same photo with your zoom lens to get a better picture? LOL
That’s the chain of events as you understand them? Damn, either I need to spoon feed y’all a little better, or some of you need to brush up on your comprehension skills.
Maybe that’s a bit harsh. Woodland photography is slightly different to open scene landscape photography as with woodland photography you have to isolate to make the shot work 99% of the time. So yes a prime would work well as you said for what your doing.
In my nascent years of photography, those being influenced by my father, his friend Minor White and the likes of Weston and Adams and Aaron Siskind, prime lenses were the ONLY lenses which could be depended on for being sharp always. Today's zooms are far better optically than when I came up in the trade and I use them regularly for their versatility HOWEVER, given my upbringing, the discipline required in positioning yourself, your view point in order to frame the "better" shot that a prime lens demands, is a function of "Slowing Down" when seeking images. The eye becomes lazy when you can settle for zooming in a little more or going wider and not having to move yourself and the camera in order to get the shot. Ansel would work with a 90mm or a 120mm on an 8x10 or 11x14 field camera and spend hours finding the right spot!
This is why all these years later we still talk of his Mastery, Weston's genius, not to mention his son Brett or Imogen Cunningham and Willard Van Dyke, all prominent members of the f64 group. If you are serious about pursuing the "Art" then you take the time and I don't mean in any way that you MUST use only prime lenses, as I said I use zooms much of the time, it's about the mentality, the thought processes and "TAKING THE TIME" before you commit to a shot.
I'm a fully committed "Digital Shooter" today after over 35 years shooting film and I'll never go back. However, I have to say the ridiculous freedom that digital affords me, shooting RAW/JPEG Fine I still go out on a day and have between 500 and 1K possible exposures available to me and that is something perhaps detrimental to my work. When EVERYTHING depended on how many rolls of film do I have or can I carry, how many magazines and sheets of film do I have available today, then you as a photographer spent much more time in thoughtful consideration of whether to commit to an exposure before you just set up and shot!
In the end of all this I can both support the championing of a "Prime" lens and equally a fine zoom, the 24-70 f2.8 for example being one of my go-to lenses now, and it still remains only a matter of discipline and why I shoot 90% plus from a tripod. TAKE YOUR TIME! So many images we take and I'm also guilty of this, are very Sub-Par because we just thought "Why the hell not." and took the shot. When I was on my last roll, and the counter read, 32 and I had only four potential exposures left, MAN did I EVER previsualize and husband those last 4 frames!
I like everything you’ve just said.
One important factor is that those guys shot large and medium format which has a lot of cropping potential. On 35mm film it was harder to crop and keep quality so zooms became more useful for situations where you couldn't physically move to the ideal position(like when on the edge of a cliff!) and couldn't crop much in post. Digital has inherited the 35mm ethos (even though modern 40-60MP sensors allow as much cropping as medium format did). I started out in the era when Rolleiflex TLRs were the norm and changing lenses was not even an option, so cropping was all you had! 🙂
@@alangauld6079 Point of fact, being that I knew Minor, and Aaron and was shooting large format, that argument is moot as Ansel, Minor, Edward, Aaron (who was not an f/64 member) and the rest of f/64, and my father rarely did more than trim a frame. Cropping was a crime. You were disciplined and composed to the frame edge as film was dear. Digital has allowed us the leeway to be far less disciplined than our predecessors and that is not complimentary to say the least, and I surely include myself.
Yeah I fell for the clickbait title and got to 1.04 before I gave up.
If I would have made the point in the first 1.04, the remaining 13 minutes would have been pointless. Sorry, I don’t cater to the TikTok attention span. 🤷♂️
Not sure your point came across. The light in the woodland was a hrash as it gets.
I think you held back too much 😅 "landscape photography TH-camrs" these days are mostly clickbait and/or rambling nonsense for so-called content, it's good to call it out because the echo chambers are wild
You should watch a few more of my videos. Rambling nonsense is my forte.
Wrong Titles will cost you subscribers ... think carefully before you press the ok button!
This video has given me a net gain of 42 subscribers.
@@TonyHogrefe Good for you young man...enjoy your new subscribers!
I was close to jumping up and shouting "Yeah!" when you talked about struggling with the chaos of woodland photography,
Nice to see you out again.
I also use a rifle sling. I was tired of carrying my tripod in hand, and it was to much faffery to strap it on and off my pack.
Then I had this cheap gun sling, and figured: made for carrying heavy length of metal....and that tripod is a heavy length of metal.
So made some attachement points with some paracord fro the sling to hook on to.
Voila. Easy to deply tripod, and hands free for shooting off the camera.
When it comes to the war of the lenses....I hereby decalre myself neutral, lol
I firmly believe that 60% of photography is logistical problem solving. It’s not just about the gear we use…but how we bring the gear to bear.
True, right now I am hauling everything I have, the camera backpack is bursting at the seams. Perhaps I can leave the kitchen sink at home, lol
Adam Gibbs is another photographer that can create great compositions in what I see as chaos! Wood land photography is really the highest art. I really enjoyed this video. Subscribed!
Good point about subject separartion in woodland photography. A shallow DOF makes a difference.
Top clickbait title!
The thing I find by photographing a bit of everything is how forgiving landscape photography tends to be. There's obviously uses as you mentioned but gear is almosr a non issue. If you're trying to capture a moving animal in fading light you can't use a crappy superzoom like mine. You need the big sensor, you need the wide aperture, you can't focus stack or exposure blend or do a multi-shot pano to compensate. You can get away with pretty much anything when capturing a tree or mountain. The biggest limiting factor is typically the idiot behind the camera (me).
It was pretty shameful and indulgent (the title), wasn’t it?
Interesting I'd kind of swing both ways on this one a little bit. I said to Henry on his channel and I follow his channel as well that I think it's not so much about lowlight performance. It's about creativity. What primes for you do they force you to move your feet they force you to think they force you out of the comfort zone of simply just zooming into a shot. They make you create they make you think and that's why I'm a fan of primes that said I have GFX camera and my three lenses are all zooms but I do wish to have a prime but that's probably next but I have used a lot of primes on my FujifilmXT5. Just a tip on your sling. I would still put it on your chest with a chest mount that goes at the top with one of those quick release plate things. The reason I don't like cameras sitting on my hips is that your sensor is bouncing around and if your sensor has stabilisation, I don't think it's good for the sensor that's just my take on it. You're also likely to knock and scratch the camera on things as you walk past things whereas when it's on your chest or just write shoulder, you're less likely to bump into things which would cause your camera damage I get where you're coming from though it's good to have your camera out. I'm also a professional landscape photographer I don't have my own TH-cam channel yet been thinking about it, but maybe not maybe don't know I use very much of mindfulness space approach for Photography check my work out on Instagram. Nev Clarke art Photography
While I agree with you on the separation aspect in woodland photography I have to disagree with you about using a prime lens for that. Yes the f1.8 allows for more separation but the act of moving with your feet and restricting yourself to one focal length is odd for Landscape photographers from my point of view. I appreciate the thought you put into this but I have to agree with Henry on this one. Primes have their place and yes sometimes that could be for landscape photography if you are shooting the night skies that is where they shine. As for general landscape photography I have to disagree they are not the right tool for the job.
That brainfog you had with the phone....I do that every day!
Not sure what you proved with this video to be honest. Henry obviously just has a different opinion on the uses of a prime based on his own likes and dislikes, the same as other photographers. I use both because I like both. It’s just down to individual opinions and tastes at the end of the day.
Also, there aren't any shift zoom lenses. Love me some straight trees!
That tree was leaning dead away from me…a tilt/shift would have been perfect.
Film shooters, especially medium and large format, have no option. They can't be lazy with a zoom. They have to zoom with their feet.
Medium and large format, yeah…but, every single one of my DSLR lenses were actually made for my 35mm SLR.
Zoom lenses became popular in the 70s-80s for 35mm film photographers precisely because they couldn't always zoom with their feet and couldn't crop their big negatives(unlike Adams, Weston etc) Early digital cameras had low-res sensors(
An f1.8 aperture is mostly useless in landscape photography - including macros and close-up. Additionally, a zoom lens would make a significant difference whether one captures an ideally composed shot or not. Imagine the limited compositions possible when positioned on a confined rock ledge using a 14mm prime vs. a 14-35mm zoom or a 24mm prime vs. a 24-70mm zoom. You may not always be lucky to capture a shot while pinned in front of a tree - like 12:00
1.8 is all the way useless in macro. We’ll disagree on the landscape side. My point is; it’s another tool in your tool box. If all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
@@TonyHogrefe Got it. To this, I agree. Cheers!
Pinned against the tree he was probably lucky to be using a 17-35mm ZOOM😀
I love Henry T and Simon B. Both Immense in their own way. Just subscribed to your channel, lo e how you come across on camera. Great job mate
I want to comment, but I have nothing positive after watching. Are you right. Sure, but is Turner fos? Ball busting aside. Isn't this more about aperture rather than zoom or prime.
Just as much separation with a 2.8 I think zooms are just as good for woodland photography. Only thing prime lens has going for them is the weight difference and you get a bit more exercise 😂
You’re not wrong regarding 2.8. But, I will say that the only reason my 70-200 is 2.8 is because I am also a portrait photographer. If I were strictly landscape, I would have saved both the money and weight and purchased the F4 like most landscape guys I know. And if your zoomies aren’t 2.8, that prime 1.8 isn’t gonna leave your credit card a smoldering ruin.
Dreadful sound!