5 ways to do color with 3D Printers
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 พ.ค. 2024
- "Can you do more than one color with 3D printing?" Turns out there are a number of options. From painting, to manual filament changes to special options only available to those with special hardware, there's a lot of ways to get some color in your 3D prints.
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I been printing for a wile, and because of you I now do filament change so I can do layer colors. Thanks for waking me up lol
I'm thinking of a dyeable filament, which would have a dye dropper nozzle that feeds small drops of color onto the filament, based on the upcoming color being printed.
A lot of people have had that idea. As far as I know no one has made a prototype. So you can be the first!
Thanks for the great videos. Just subscribed to the filament of the month club, looking forward to the first batch!
Thinking to buy one!
Just researching.
This video's great!
Subscribed!
3D maker’s noob is working on a purge bucket to cut down on the purge block. That is cool to see.
I built a quad independent extruder machine, no you can't do infinite colors, obviously the limit is 4 outside of the tricks you mentioned, but I have no waste, the only penalty is time it takes to park and activate each tool, which is pretty quick -- about 10 seconds, for larger prints it only ads about 10-15% to the time total. I have also used it to do soluble supports, which is really great to print very complex models and use one of the tool heads to print the dense (100%) support layers with no separation layer as it's not needed, you get really clean prints since there is no penalty for printing on support. The other neat aspect is duplication mode as I had it 3 heads running simultaneously printing a bunch of duplicate parts, very useful.
Great video, thank you for sharing.
Great video thanks for sharing!
Great video as usual :) As you no doubt know, I've been messing with multi-colour print methods for a while now. I often try to implement different ways for people to experiment with. Some models are obviously suited better to certain methods, but no matter which method people use, I'm always excited to see more colour prints. I love seeing people's prints of my models even in single colour, but when they take the time to print off separate pieces, or do layer change or purges to really make it shine, it always blows me away :)
@Blondie SL Hi! Unfortunately I'm not the right person to be asking about these things, as i only have a resin printer myself! I've just been making models that should be suitable for multi-colour printing since there's more and more people doing it these days.
I often do different versions though since most printers can't do it all in one go. Where I can, I try to split my models in ways that they can be printed in single colour pieces, which can then be assembled afterwards. Sometimes ti's not really viable, so I do make all in one print style ones as well, but most of the machines that can do them, either need to purge the colour between changes, or some can partly purge by doing the transition while printing the infill (so t's not visible on the outside of the model)
How it's actually done with the slicer etc though, I have absolutely no clue 😂
Being a resin printer, I only have the option of one colour, and my slicer is completely custom to my printer, so I don't even have any experience with the common slicers users my most people.
i have seen prints done with the QuadFusion and Diamond hot ends before, and they do look promising, but i'd imagine they likely would take quite a bit of tweaking and tinkering to get to know what will get good results. It's certainly something I'm interested in myself, but the ability to actually get my hands on one to start playing around is quite a way off at the moment.
@Blondie SL If you have specific questions about the quadfusion don't hesitate to ask (I have one on the crane printer). It does work and yes it does require purging for sharp color changes (gradients don't require it). For setting up the prints Voxelizer 2 is the furthest along currently but you can also do it in Cura with plugins, S3D, or Slic3r PE.
Only time will tell if mixing is a good idea or not versus the ink squirters or other methods. In either method there are additional things to pay attention to versus just single color printers. If you are a beginner, it's best to learn on a much cheaper printer that has less of these variables to complicate things.
thanks for helping me with my 3D printer it helps
Thank you for mentioning the Google group. This is the first time that I have heard of it. I will check it out.
Thanks for this! Really helped. I know practically nothing about 3d printing, I just want to print free models of characters I find online with several colors lol
I've commented on your channel before, awesome job on your shows. I, just yesterday, hooked up with a DOBOT MOOZ 3. It is somewhat remarkable. I can swap colors and I can also BLEND colors. It's 3 bowden tubes loading into one print nozzle. What you do is you put in the percentage of each color and the height, in millimeters, to switch. So, example: I printed 100% orange for 5 mm, 100 Green for 5mm, and 100white for 5mm, then I ran 5mm of 30% Green, 35% Orange, 35% White, came out, as expected, light brown. AND it was perfect, no places in the print could I see any unmixed color variation, all a uniform light brown. Pretty impressive actually. Now the print bed is small 100x100x100 but it's headed and a delta so it's also very quick. Thought I would share.
Food for thought.
I was thinking about what to do and do the last option but like LEGO pieces and a small of dropnof plastic cement just to bind them together. Little pegs and holes. Maybe you can try it to see it when I finally get my machine
I always wondered if you could use some tecnology where one would use magenta, cyan, yellow, white and black and combine them at different rates to make the entire spectrum of colours.
6:15 material Blending.
I've worked a little with it since this video. Does it actually work? Kind of. But there's a lot of problems with it. The biggest is that material is not unidirectional, so you have to be constantly feeding every color, even just a little bit, or you get back pressure through the feed tubes causing a massive jam. Even if you're doing that it still sometimes jams. So you can't get a pure white or pure cyan etc. And even when it works you need to purge a lot per color and you can't do discreet color changes.
It's a lot of work for a little bit of gain.
I forget the guys name, but at the 2017 MRRF, he had a multi-in nozzle setup on a delta and it blended the filament before the extrusion. So you didn't get that tooth paste look but instead got true blended colors. I think he was running 5 filaments and could have very little if any purge between color changes based on the formulas to mix. He did have some special hardware on that extruder, but i hope that makes it out to the real world done day.
How about the Pallete 2 from Mosaic? I would really really like to know more on that option
I believe you've already checked it out, but in case you haven't there is a slicer designed for color called Voxelizer 2. It can handle the separate .stl flow you mentioned (just like s3d, slic3r pe, etc.) but it also can import more traditional color models via .obj and other formats that handle textures and/or vertex colors directly. If you are stuck with a single color .stl you can also import images to map on top of it for color. It's in a late beta state currently so not a finished project, but further along than anything else. This works for either mixing printers (diamond hotend, crane quad, etc.) or multi material systems (palette, prusa mmu, etc.). Any of the ink squirter printers generally have their own slicers but voxelizer is for the rest operating on normal gcode.
I have seen Voxelizer, but I haven't really dug into it yet. I'll look into it.
I think reprap polyjet or something similar will happen at somepoint. Also the pallette+ is awesome.
Great video! You should check the RoVa4D. I think the software is more important and it would make multi-color printing more popular. One of my printers has 2 heads and making dual-color models is time consuming. The RoVa4D people have made a "paint" program. I whish there was an open source of that.
excellent video. I am building a powder bed 3d printing machine and I need to take the model obtained from photogrammetry and cut it into 0.2mm layers, each layer will be exported to a normal print file like PDF ... can I do this? Any guidance you can give me would help me a lot, thank you very much.
Im 10 years old and im loveing his way of talking
Great stuff Joe. Is the CraneQuad the 4 colour mixer you're referring to? I have one pre-ordered 😉. Also the Geeetech A10M is a 2 colour mixer and cheap too. Cheers, JAYTEE
That's one of them. There's also a color mixing Delta by Geeetech that is so badly built it doesn't work, and there are a few others. But dual color blending is a thing and I feel silly for not mentioning it.
@@3dpprofessor Cool, I wasn't aware of the delta, too bad it's no good. Cheers
One day, I hope my modeling after color printing show up in your TH-cam :)
What control board have 4 x "E" options on
The Geeetech A20M has a dual color mixing hot-end for around $100 more than an Creality Ender 3.
Which is, like, more than half the price of the Creality Ender 3 for only 2 color mixing, but it's a little more tested. Yes, I entirely ignored the could of dual color mixing option out there. Don't know why I had a blind spot. Thanks for setting the record straight!
Using magic markers on natural, uncolored filament before feeding it into the printer will also let you get different colors. Actually this just gave me another idea. OFF TO THE STUDIO!!
Good luck with this. I mention it on the blog. While it has shown some promise in the past, it's hardly been wildly successful. Plus, I worry about inking up the feed path of your printer. But lemme know how it goes. If you take some pictures, share them on #whatcha-making on the discord channel.
sure will
The idea like multi color sharpie pens paint filament before entering hot end can change color too. Can we inject color mixture of ink in control manner? We need big player like Epson and HP to realise the potential and fully invest in this machine.
Don't know. Lots of people have had the idea, no one has made it work. Maybe the heat of the nozzle is damaging to pigment?
@@3dpprofessor Just earlier today I saw a video on a channel called "Teaching Tech" where they did make that work. Posted about 4 months after your comment.
Did you do more, with stuff down the line as far as your MMU Style goes?
Yes. And unfortunately I hit a few snags.
The way I was doing it with Chibimals there were a lot of thin faces over top a surface, which didn't work because they were too thin. So the "correct" way of doing it would be to export it as a solid mesh, bring it into a program which can make the mesh bodies thicker and more printable, and the re-export it parted out, import it again, and add color data. Because right now there's no program that can do both color data and separate into parts.
I still think the idea has merit, but it lacks implimentation.
Pallette 2 looks good - how about doing a review. As a four-material device it's a relatively cheap (I said relatively) option.
I have a palliate 2. I just need to pull in a 3D printer I can use it on. I think I'm going to temporarily retire the Weedo.
So why is it they cant use the purge blocks as outside support or interior support instead?
There are some attempts to do that, but not all prints have enough supports or infill on every level to be able to do this.
We need a double nozzle 3D printer. One that holds model paint, the other for printing the model. It can calculate ink from the shaders.
That's basically a davinci color.
It's been a few years. And you can now get mixing color 3D printers fairly cheap for the Aqua-Fresh toothpaste experience.
I've seen precious few people get them to work. honestly, none since this video was made.
Hoping the M3D quad fusion gets in to more hands. I've only found one demo/review of it in the wild on youtube so far and it seems you have to use a slicer called 'voxelizer' to handle the color mixing. Also worth a mention for full color printers are the Mcore Iris and Arke. They are back in the industrial catagory but are pretty amazing final products.
I'm waiting for the quad fusion myself I was lucky to find the kickstarter the last couple of days of it's run, they say they are shipping the heads out now
The problem is it's unreliable tech in the hand of a company known to be unreliable on their delivery, especially to kickstarter backers. I'm not opposed to M3D. I'm just not eager to be the first to lose money on a double threat.
@@3dpprofessor I definitely hope more manufacturers make mixing printers. I agree with you that I wish I could source from someone other than M3D. At least this time they are only making a small part of the printer (it's an ender 3 frame with a duet board). The only main piece that is theirs is the quadfusion printhead. So far I'm happy with it I've had it since early January.
@@Ladmertechnologies still waiting for mine, they of course have had web site issues that kept me from being able to pay. but that finally happened, I only got the head, as I'm going to put it on my existing printer.... lol, I hope
@@bruceneely4859 They aren't speedy. In my case it was about 3-4 weeks later until it arrived for the crane. Their discord channel seems to indicate that is still the reality. At least when it finally came it worked (I was a batch 1 quad preorder)
You did a review of the davinci color printer
Yes, many. And I really enjoy it.
The results from the davinci colour "Super impressive?" 🤣🤣🤣
Which budget printer do you suggest me to go for printing miniature me with full colour
Full color? Like 9:40 True full color? The budget-est full color 3D printer is the DaVinci Color Mini at $1600. But like I said, the 3D printers that can do full color are very, very limited.
@@3dpprofessor thanks but I'm looking for photorealistic output
@@varaprasadyd8323 I don't understand you're response. You asked for full color budget. I gave you the only option you have right now. You say "thanks but I'm looking for photorealistic output". The Davinci Color is the only printer that can do that. It's either the Davinci Color or sandstone printing, for which I recommend using shapeways. Sandstone printing is, admittedly a better output, but you don't own the printer. But right now those are your options.
Zmorph have a two material blending
You are correct. XYZ has one as well. Interesting. I guess i kinda skipped over the 2 color blending in my mind.
I did not intend for this whole thing to be dutch angle: www.3dpprofessor.com/2019/02/27/how-to-do-color-in-3d-printing/
Why are there not more colours available for polycarbonate for example? I have seen black, transparent, red and blue. If they can do these, why not other colours????
Demand, mostly. People selling PC are less interested in how it looks than how it performs.
I watched to the end of the video fully expecting at least a passing reference to the Mosaic Palette 2 or Palette 2 Pro. Was shocked to see nothing mentioned at all. This may be considered bad form, and if so I do apologize in advance, but here's some links to point people in the right direction concerning multi color prints.
First up, the interview from Joel Telling (the 3D Printing Nerd) with the manufacturer of the Mosaic 2 line of products: th-cam.com/video/gd3FGrIDYn8/w-d-xo.html
Next up, a link to the mosaic product information page: www.mosaicmfg.com/products/palette-2
And lastly, a link to the Amazon.com listing for the Mosaic Palette 2: www.amazon.com/Mosaic-Palette-Multi-Material-3D-Printing/dp/B07HKM26XS/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1DT7YR7VXR2EZ&keywords=mosaic+palette+2&qid=1554427883&s=gateway&sprefix=mosaic+pale%2Caps%2C214&sr=8-2
No money changed hands with these recommendations. They are simply well-built machines and are marvels of engineering. They can accommodate up to 4 rolls of filament at a time, and can even work with single-extruder systems. Different materials can also be combined together with the system. Its truly a game changer, and if more people are made aware of the Palette 2, the price will hopefully come down in a few years' time!
Yup. The Palate is one of the many ways to do multi material prints (Option 3). Gets a mention at 4:57. I'll be playing with one myself here soon.
@@3dpprofessor Wow, I'm so sorry! No idea how I managed to miss that mention, I was paying attention the entire time too! Happy to hear you'll get the chance to try one out though, here's hoping you get a working product!
Hey, it looks like you missed out on tool changing, for multiple colour, blending and such
I consider that under the umbrella of multi material, same as any multi-headed 3D printer. It's just a different delivery method to get the nozzle to the print, but doesn't change the final result much.
Of course took changing has the possibility of adding milling or engraving to your machine, making it truly multi-discipline, and that's super exciting. I don't know what I'd do with that possibility, but it's super exciting.
Is there someone making a 3d printer that has an RGB paper printer head attached to the end? Seems like using ink would be an easy way to do it (maybe not the strongest)
9:45 That's the idea behind the XYZ Davinci Color.
Hey, i saw my snow man with purge block coming by...
Is that yours? Thanks for letting me know. This came to me from my discord without attribution and I didn't think before using it. Funny, I was just about careful with everything else, but that one I just threw in there.
@@3dpprofessor Yeah, just one of the many failed prints I had with my Palette 2. I used this one amongst others to show my slow progress with the P2 and increasing pile of waste on their forum. It was funny to see this one come by in your video. Not so funny that I still have only moderate success with the P2 after 4 months of use. Allez, at least it got me a spot in your video:)
@@RogerMoeglen Well deserved place in my opinion. Thank you.
M3d has had a quad crane for a good minute now...
Theoretically. I haven't seen any in the wild. And considering everyone experience with M3D kickstarter, and the experineces I've seen from people with color mixing nozzles, I'm reserving judgement.
@@3dpprofessor I have a crane quad, as do some of the early adopters. It isn't without its issues but certainly does exist. As far as mixing goes I also had a davinci jr 2.0 mix a few years back and the crane is a step up from that and seems pretty comparable to the diamond hotend. As with any mixing printer though you do have extra things to do to take of it like special loading/unloading filament considerations as well as not "cooking" any single extruder by letting it idle for more than 10-15 minutes. So far I'm happy with it though, I do wish it was from a company other than M3D though.
I think the lady you are referring to on Thingiverse that does the the multi-color prints where you put the parts together is. www.thingiverse.com/TanyaAkinora/about
I want to in a decade time just press a button and get professionally painted miniatures.
Are you thinking some sort of auto painting machine, or something that will print full color in your home?
you left out filament splicers
You mean like the Palatte, mentioned among the mutli-Material option? 4:41
This printer from MCOR is just in another league... but is not printing using filaments...
Why does 3D printing always have to be filament? SLA doesn't use filament.
Love your content Joe but pleeeeeeeezz get a new camera. Everything is fuzzy. Soft. Not real clear. Thanks.
you forget the full color 3d printer using paper
True. However, that one is super limited. I don't think even shapeways has that option for you. I know it's out there, but I've never handled a print by it before.