Can you please please please test how it handles not only different Colors, but also how it handles different Materials? Like a transition from PLA, to dissolvable Support. Or Nylon, to TPU. besides that, thank you so much for covering this, I was allready hyped for the pallet 1, to see how it evolves is stunning!
I suppose that the best way to achieve dissolvable supports support is use multi nozzle hotend (e3d chimera, etc...), where separated nozzle is used with Pallete processed filament (PLA I think) and the second one is just for dissolvable one (PVA or others)
Print in place Rubick's Cube would use 7 colors (6 for the faces plus another one for the body), you can surely find a way to add another one, maybe a logo on one of the squares like the original one
I feel like if you use a palette it should be encouraged to take those transition blocks and find a way to reuse them... Perhaps a fun thing for them to code could be that when you print with multi colors instead of a useless block it has the ability to make a useful print instead of a block of filament.
I believe with the prusa Multi Material Upgrade (MMU) it has the option to purge in a different model. Maybe in a functional part thats out of sight anyway.
@@HappyAchterhooker It could be an Easter egg of sorts. A "feature" to be turned off and on. I know I print a bunch of stuff that would be awesome multicolor, but I also print door stoppers that color doesn't matter because they get broken or lost at the office. Im not trying to be an eco warrior, but my first thought was ugh what a waste of material... The purge block is almost the same size as the rainbow....
@@Mikowmer I thought I remembered a video somewhere that demo'd a product that allowed reuse of filament, it had to be ground up and than it melted it into filament again...
@@jhbryaniv Yeah. The pellets created by this device are small enough that it doesn't need to be ground up again. I'm considering implementing it on a printer I'm building at the moment.
@@hunterg312 the mmu2 is cheaper and it works well once you get it tuned. (Took me about a week of fiddling) The pallet is much easier to use out of the box and is generally more reliable. Prusa support has been great with what little help I've needed. And considering all of the stories I've heard about jams and feeding issues, I've had very few after the initial sensor calibration despite my less than ideal setup. I'll probably be picking up a pallette 3 for my other (non prusa) printer
Less multicolour more crazy multimaterial maybe something with flex(tpu or simular), petg, abs, poly carb, pla, nylon, (maybe a maybe filled pla with wood or carbon) and PVA supports?
The problem with that is the materials don't typically splice well together. For example pla will never stick to tpu which is why in a IDEX printer pla works damn good for support material on tpu prints but in this type of machine I imagine you would never be able to achieve a perfect splice.
It would be better if you use white filament and could inject pigment into the heatblock to mix a colour on demand :) Like inkjet cartridges for printers!
Rather a translucante than ad white pigment to it. If the filament is translucent all the pigmetn is vissble after its melted and it get a much better result.
@@matsv201 Yeah suspect translucent would be better, but may cost more to produce. Only a thought no idea how it would work in practice! Would probably need some sort of fine powder pigment and feed through an auger but may not be remotely possible
I think XYZWare did something like that, but personally I don't support them because they're trying to bring the traditional printer business model into 3D printing. I.E. sell the printer at a loss but lock your customers into your proprietary parts and (microchipped cartridges of) filament.
I think a print-in-place Rubik's Cube would be perfect for this! Other than that, I think this technology allows you to save on your expensive filaments by using cheaper filaments on the inside for structural support and the fancy filaments for the exterior!
@@corellian6522 Eh it's like since you can have more than 2 colors so why not do it kind of thing. But yeah, it probably would not save that much, but is sort of useful I suppose if you don't have much of a filament but for some reason have a lot of another
@@corellian6522 You don't buy it solely to save on cost, of course. But in my country, some filaments can cost almost double of the cheaper stuffs. It is just something extra you can do while the main purpose is to print in multi colour
REALLY impressed with the engineering on this. So elegant and simple compared to previous models. I've been dreaming of owning one of these machines for years.... Someday I'll be able to afford one. 😕
Personally I've never felt the need for multi color prints. I still love the tech and try to keep current. I was under the impression that one of the main benefits to the Pallet was that the splicing eliminated the need for transition towers?
Id like to see you weigh the part printed versus the transition tower to see how much material is wasted. Looks like they have reduced its mass quite a bit though with the support looking parts of it.
Unfortunately, they can't do much to reduce how much material you need to purge beyond making the transition point more accurate, it's the properties of your nozzle and filament that determine how much you need to purge to avoid color mixing.
@@MalikDrako I wonder if introducing a cleaning filament would purge the nozzle quicker. Do like 5 mm of cleaning stuff then the new color versus whatever the normal buffer size is on the purge block. I wonder if this would help with the whites not having bleed over as well.
@@MrMadeinthe80s The waste block needs to be at the same height as the main print, I would guess that the support looking areas is it saving on material to maintain the height when there is not a color change; so yes, exactly what you say. The Prusa MMU's amount of waste is partially why I stopped using it.
@@RogueProeliator yeah I have a palette 2 myself. I just wondered if they built in one of the filaments to be a cleaning filament instead of just purging for awhile until the next color is fully out if it would work quicker to clear the previous color out of the way and make way for the next. A buffer between colors so to speak. You'll always have to use the purge block I just wondered if this would reduce it further or work at all. They make cleaning filament to clear clogs and it also seems to remove any excess of whats currently in the hotend.
ive always wanted to try out printing items with diff materials, such as using TPU as a flexible joint to a box and around a latch. Or print an in-place Wheel/Tire
I think the one thing mosaic should develop is a filament that helps purge the previous color more easily. Kind of like cleaning filaments. That way the purge/transition block isn't so wasteful.
Ive always thought one of the most exciting aspects of the pallet is printing multi material something that is both ridged and flexible or that has dissolvable supports or both! How about a epic dragon in multicolor with flexible/leathery wings out spread?
yeah actually I don't want to waste plastic. I always see 3d printing as a non very ecological way to work, I hate to 3d print useless minis but if I lose 50% of the material… what a waste.
I wonder if you could use just the Splicecore to splice together multiple filaments. To convert the small leftover filament in a roll into a long filament for a full roll.
In all fairness the 3's are alot more expensive if memory serves me well. The 2's were retailing for around 400? These are retailing at 699 (799 once it goes off of presale)
When he mentioned using different materials my first thought went to how does the printer handle the different temperatures for different filaments... I print mainly pla with a smattering of abs and Asa tossed in. Even just the pla from different brands prints at different temperatures... Yes, they all print with in the same range, but Amazon basic filament is very oozy if I print it where matter hackers pla prints really well...
@@jhbryaniv temp changes can be done in gcode but I have no idea if there's software for this right now. Like @Mikowmer said the main issue would be different materials bonding to each other. Using PP with anything else might be quite hard.
I do a lot of batch printing but unfortunately my printers don't have runout sensors on them so if I don't have enough filament left on the spool to do a full print then it will just sit on the shelf. I'm thinking of getting one of these to use in splicing together all those left over spools into full usable spools of filament.
Is this only about color? Or can you splice different materials together as well? It's like to see PETG combined with some TPU (similar to the overmolding seen on lots of powertools).
Me initialy : $800!!!! Nooo way! I own a paint brush thank you. Me after seeing the rainbow: only $700? I don't need car insurance right? This is an investment!
I knew I could count on this channel to see what this thing is all about - im new to 3D printing and your newest subscriber. Thank you for the killer content Joel, now stop making me want to spend money! 🤣
this is awesome I wonder when we woul be able to get a better solution for the transitions tower situation to avoid the plastic waste not sure if already out there and i just don't know it
Would love to see you test it with dissolvable supports on a multi color print and maybe flexible with some non flexible in the sane print. It is so crazy to think this is what came from that Toronto trip. I remember how crazy that experiment was! Also, that rainbow transition tower is entirely too pretty!
@@Fly_High_FPV oofff, good to know. I like jam on my biscuits, jam in my jazz but not such a fan of jam on my filaments. Actual filament jams and fruit jams respectively. Although I am not sure why I would have jam on my filament....
Been waiting 2 1/2 months now to receive my Anycubic Chiron purchased in mid January. The subject of multi-color models crossed my mind and this popped up in my suggested viewing. The only question I still need to sort is how to figure out where to make the transitions. I'm guessing there must be a sim software that builds from the sliced model and allows color selections on screen with filament volume calculation. Guess I should head over to their site and find out.
Multicolor printing is super cool, but something I need rarely. However, what I need a lot is a solution to all of the spools of filament I have that don't have enough filament on it for larger prints. Can this be used to join all of these filament ends into one large strand, and put it back on a spool, instead of printing with it directly?
just ordered the MMU2 from Prusa a couple weeks ago and I was flipping back and forth on the pallet2 or MMU. finally decided I wasnt fully onboard with the system that fused material and relied on timing to get them in the right sequence and in sync with the print job. How much did I overthink this? You would really impress me, by not printing different colors with similar properties, but by printing different materials, PLA, TPU, PETG and soluble material into a single print. given the different properties and temperatures, I would be interested in seeing the outcome and print quality.
@@saritshull3909 if you can get past the jamming, the bigger issue was there's no way to calibrate the esteps in the palette 2s pro (other than the calibration routine), so it always over extruded TPU which makes timing impossible (even after spending more $$$ on a Canvas Hub) ..probably fine for PLA, but struggle bus for TPU
Very cool! I guess the next step is to go back down to 6 filaments but somehow blend them in the machine. Imagen having cyan magenta yellow white and black filaments and being able to mix them in any combination for hundreds of thousands of different colours.
Cant you install some purge brush that matches the Z height so it doesn’t have to create a huge purge tower, it just does a little bit and wipes the nozzle on the brush
I have delayed ordering the Palette 2pro since I learned of the P3spor, and I'm putting the order in tomorrow! I would like to see you feature the P3SP using wood-infused PLA and the various "colors" of wood available. I am modeling miniature houses and I am excited printingto start printing with wood PLA. I look forward to have the capability of mixing the wood tones and still have room for specialized BRIDGING filament. I'm hoping to learn about the settings that you will use in your setup. Do you have a "favorite" filament manufacturer (brand) that will have the largest variety of wood tones/colors?
you said softer materials... defintely would be curious to see if it can print ninjaflex, or even semi-flex... like can you print a toy car's tire+wheel in one shot? tire in normal TPU and wheel in PLA?
I'm surprised that the purge block issue hasn't been better adressed yet. I would think by now we would have a way to input the length of the filament between the mosaic and the hotend so that you would only need to purge a couple centimeters on each end of the transition. of course that would depend on how often it is swapping and how long that run is but still I feel like there is room for improvement there that only needs software and a distance value
That is how I always wished 3D printing worked in my mind---right color at the right time with no prep or painting---but I know I would screw up every single print with that plus it must use a ton more filament with those transition towers. I'm fairly new but it's already to the point where I only stock a handful of colors in quality brands to pick from after going on a filament spending spree initially. I'll be breaking down prints and painting for the foreseeable future but that thing is a great sign of things to come.
It's like going from monochrome printers in the 80's to full colour... I knew it was only a matter of time.. Love it.. Soon, printers will have this built-in..
I'd love to see a multi material print using the palette 3. It would be fun to see how Joel tackles the differences in temp, adhesion and other properties of a multimaterial print.
I'm still holding out for true in-line color mixing. CYMK+White? Maybe in the next few years. I wonder if there could be a way to overdrive the mixture to help minimize the need for purging.
So what I would like to know is, if instead of a traditional purge block, if you could instead purge filaments on a 2nd model where color transitions wouldn't be a problem? Like a vase for example. Trying to maximize your filaments usage, maybe a print made to be functional.
@3D Printing Nerd print a Hilbert Curve where you use 4 colors if it is going clockwise from the last line segment in the curve and 4 colors if going counterclockwise, with the 4 colors being used 1 each for the cardinal directions. In the interest of efficiency of waste towers, this only needs to be on the outer surface.
Would be nice to see how the spools are set up to feed the Pallet. Now hook up 8 rolls of the same color to have unattended printing on either the CR-30 or the big printer in the garage. This could be a huge help for print farms.
This was great! I want one! Can you show us the entire setup? Show us what it looks like to actually have 8 spools on holders (wow? How?), space to the Palette, connection from Palette to your Prusa, etc. How big a space do I need to run this thing?
CNC kitchen recently did a multi material print with TPU and PETG to make wall clips. He had the E3D tool changer, but with the new buffer design in the pallet 3 I would be very interested to see if something like that is possible with this machine!
Thanks for the tip! Just put in my order ... it seems a lot longer 'til September now than it did moments ago. My need for instant gratification is going to be sorely tested. I want it now! Keep up the awesome work, Joel!
Your excitement is addictive! The Mosaic systems have always been a very attractive option. I've enjoyed your interviews and examples with the company. Thank you Could you print something that doesn't use a transition block? Or if not challenge to see how small of a transition block you could make with a print, say for instance mini Joel. Thank you for all the great content! I'm always learning.
I'd like to see a detailed walk-through of how to use this, how to set it up with your printer etc - especially the Prusa Mini you briefly mentioned, as that's what I have
It would be cool to see the advancement where there would be no need for purge towers. It seems that with today's technology and having the Palette 3 communicate with the slicer and print settings, it should be able to have all the color changes arrive at the nozzle exactly when needed or at least somewhere internally in the model (i.e. infill or inner perimeters) so that the outside facing portion of the model has the correct color when needed. The communication piece of the software would know all the print settings such as flow rate, etc...
This is a great solution to color printing and even multi material printing, granted multi material may pose some issues. really nice solution and machine
This advancement is incredible! When you use ironing on a model like that rainbow however, does it fade the colors and blend smoothly or single colors at a time... 😯🤔
Notice how every second filament path merges with its neighbor? I think that means that they could do even more colors with just a different indexer (the thing under the roller that chooses what filament to move) and a different filament path at the start
Is there a function for a filament runout where it automatically switches over to a full roll? Meaning you don't have to babysit a machine for a filament replace. Of course one have use up an extra channel for this but it may be worth it. Thanks for excellent videos!
I'd like a feature for the transition tower to be printed as other model(s) and the rest is put in to a tower. I'm painting most things printed so what it looks like underneath. There's some things to take in to count with the height in total and some other things.
You mentioned multi-material prints but didn't elaborate. I'd like to see that tested because I would think there would be hot end temperature differences and maybe even material adhesion differences (different materials might not stick to eachother) that could effect final print quality.
So cool to see this tech evolve! Mosaic has knocked it out of the park with 8 filament inputs
Now lets plug the outputs of 8 pallete pros into into the inputs of another pallete pro and print with 64 colors!
Prolly only take forever to print anything
Can you please please please test how it handles not only different Colors, but also how it handles different Materials?
Like a transition from PLA, to dissolvable Support.
Or Nylon, to TPU.
besides that, thank you so much for covering this, I was allready hyped for the pallet 1, to see how it evolves is stunning!
Great questions! yea preordering is not always a good idea, especially when we don't have all the answers from a thorough review.
Nylon to TPU will be not work.
Nozzle temp will also have to shift huge to accommodate dissolvable support to PLA and probably result in clogs or ooozy mess but interesting to see
I suppose that the best way to achieve dissolvable supports support is use multi nozzle hotend (e3d chimera, etc...), where separated nozzle is used with Pallete processed filament (PLA I think) and the second one is just for dissolvable one (PVA or others)
Dissolvable material is #1 question for me. Colors are nice, but support materials are what push printer to another level.
Do something with water dissolvable support material and different colors of very flexible material.
Love the cut scenes....always good to get a laugh in while learning!
I wondered if they could work in PVA for support material
Mix in some flexible filament... Vibration dampening, built in straps...
These machines are trash for TPU, dont bother with TPE super flexibles
Yes of course you can add PVA filament too
That Rainbow waste block is a work of art on it's own!
Print in place Rubick's Cube would use 7 colors (6 for the faces plus another one for the body), you can surely find a way to add another one, maybe a logo on one of the squares like the original one
I had the same idea, would be nice
I'd love to have a quick walkthrough where you show us how you prepare your 3D model for multicolor printing with the Pallete.
You have to divide your part in multiple pieces (as many pieces as colours) and then throw them in Canvas
Its a real shame this machine never lived up to the hype. Tons of hardware issues and it still randomly freezes over a year later.
yes! wohoo! was waiting for the new Palette 👌😎 how about a Benchy in 8 colors? 😁
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So this thing is like basically one big extruder?
I feel like if you use a palette it should be encouraged to take those transition blocks and find a way to reuse them...
Perhaps a fun thing for them to code could be that when you print with multi colors instead of a useless block it has the ability to make a useful print instead of a block of filament.
I believe with the prusa Multi Material Upgrade (MMU) it has the option to purge in a different model. Maybe in a functional part thats out of sight anyway.
@@HappyAchterhooker It could be an Easter egg of sorts. A "feature" to be turned off and on. I know I print a bunch of stuff that would be awesome multicolor, but I also print door stoppers that color doesn't matter because they get broken or lost at the office.
Im not trying to be an eco warrior, but my first thought was ugh what a waste of material... The purge block is almost the same size as the rainbow....
I've seen a device that allows you to extrude little balls that can then be recycled back into filament. That could be something useful.
@@Mikowmer I thought I remembered a video somewhere that demo'd a product that allowed reuse of filament, it had to be ground up and than it melted it into filament again...
@@jhbryaniv Yeah. The pellets created by this device are small enough that it doesn't need to be ground up again. I'm considering implementing it on a printer I'm building at the moment.
Great review their site is not showing the discount yet. Would be cool to compare this to the prusa to see who is more efficient with waste
Tons of software optimization opportunities. Prusa did a lot more so far.
@@ludovic2003 so is the mmu better?
@@hunterg312 the mmu2 is cheaper and it works well once you get it tuned. (Took me about a week of fiddling) The pallet is much easier to use out of the box and is generally more reliable.
Prusa support has been great with what little help I've needed. And considering all of the stories I've heard about jams and feeding issues, I've had very few after the initial sensor calibration despite my less than ideal setup.
I'll probably be picking up a pallette 3 for my other (non prusa) printer
@@Mytagforhalo I own the palette 2 it works great and thr customer support is awesome.
@@hunterg312 Cool! How reliable is it? How often does it fail, and how difficult is it to fix fails?
I know that it’s goofy, but I love your late night infomercial energy in this ep.
I want it! no, I need it!
I read that in spongebob's voice lol
We ALLLL NEEEED ITTTT!!!!
Ahh, this is such a great innovation! And the rest of the line looks so promising too!! The revolution is now.
600$ i will wait :D
@3D Printing Nerd: Suggestion: Give the Rainbow model to Palette as a calibration model.
Less multicolour more crazy multimaterial maybe something with flex(tpu or simular), petg, abs, poly carb, pla, nylon, (maybe a maybe filled pla with wood or carbon) and PVA supports?
The problem with that is the materials don't typically splice well together. For example pla will never stick to tpu which is why in a IDEX printer pla works damn good for support material on tpu prints but in this type of machine I imagine you would never be able to achieve a perfect splice.
@@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs or the e3d tool changer.
It struggles to splice TPU to TPU correctly...when you have multiple materials it's even harder
It would be better if you use white filament and could inject pigment into the heatblock to mix a colour on demand :) Like inkjet cartridges for printers!
Something like the person who used markers to change the colour
Rather a translucante than ad white pigment to it.
If the filament is translucent all the pigmetn is vissble after its melted and it get a much better result.
@@matsv201 Yeah suspect translucent would be better, but may cost more to produce. Only a thought no idea how it would work in practice! Would probably need some sort of fine powder pigment and feed through an auger but may not be remotely possible
I think XYZWare did something like that, but personally I don't support them because they're trying to bring the traditional printer business model into 3D printing. I.E. sell the printer at a loss but lock your customers into your proprietary parts and (microchipped cartridges of) filament.
da Vinci Color does that by xyz printing.
I think a print-in-place Rubik's Cube would be perfect for this! Other than that, I think this technology allows you to save on your expensive filaments by using cheaper filaments on the inside for structural support and the fancy filaments for the exterior!
you would have to be spending a *ton* on your "expensive" filaments to offset the cost of the pallette....
Jordan lets help him out , carbon fiber outside , and cheap inside then it makes sense
@@corellian6522 Eh it's like since you can have more than 2 colors so why not do it kind of thing.
But yeah, it probably would not save that much, but is sort of useful I suppose if you don't have much of a filament but for some reason have a lot of another
@@corellian6522 You don't buy it solely to save on cost, of course. But in my country, some filaments can cost almost double of the cheaper stuffs. It is just something extra you can do while the main purpose is to print in multi colour
Wouldn't a dual extruder set up work just as well?
Gosh, that transition tower is HUGE 😩
I like your youtube name
Yeah, that's dismaying.
Probably just depends on the amount of times it's transitions and the complexity of the print, I'd say it's a nice trade off for what it's capable of
REALLY impressed with the engineering on this. So elegant and simple compared to previous models.
I've been dreaming of owning one of these machines for years.... Someday I'll be able to afford one. 😕
Personally I've never felt the need for multi color prints. I still love the tech and try to keep current. I was under the impression that one of the main benefits to the Pallet was that the splicing eliminated the need for transition towers?
I really like the aesthetic of the transition blocks....they look like works of art
Wonder how hard it would be to code a second print out of that...
I watch this and think “how cool would it be to print in 8 colours”, then I remember I paint almost all of my 3D prints anyway.
Made me smile
Id like to see you weigh the part printed versus the transition tower to see how much material is wasted. Looks like they have reduced its mass quite a bit though with the support looking parts of it.
Unfortunately, they can't do much to reduce how much material you need to purge beyond making the transition point more accurate, it's the properties of your nozzle and filament that determine how much you need to purge to avoid color mixing.
@@MalikDrako I wonder if introducing a cleaning filament would purge the nozzle quicker. Do like 5 mm of cleaning stuff then the new color versus whatever the normal buffer size is on the purge block. I wonder if this would help with the whites not having bleed over as well.
@@MrMadeinthe80s The waste block needs to be at the same height as the main print, I would guess that the support looking areas is it saving on material to maintain the height when there is not a color change; so yes, exactly what you say. The Prusa MMU's amount of waste is partially why I stopped using it.
@@RogueProeliator yeah I have a palette 2 myself. I just wondered if they built in one of the filaments to be a cleaning filament instead of just purging for awhile until the next color is fully out if it would work quicker to clear the previous color out of the way and make way for the next. A buffer between colors so to speak. You'll always have to use the purge block I just wondered if this would reduce it further or work at all. They make cleaning filament to clear clogs and it also seems to remove any excess of whats currently in the hotend.
A purge bucket is so much more efficient.
ive always wanted to try out printing items with diff materials, such as using TPU as a flexible joint to a box and around a latch.
Or print an in-place Wheel/Tire
Could you try putting the palette on the Creality Cr30 and try to make a long multicoloured print
Or a multi spool print in one color, 8 kg in a row.
I think the one thing mosaic should develop is a filament that helps purge the previous color more easily. Kind of like cleaning filaments. That way the purge/transition block isn't so wasteful.
Ive always thought one of the most exciting aspects of the pallet is printing multi material something that is both ridged and flexible or that has dissolvable supports or both! How about a epic dragon in multicolor with flexible/leathery wings out spread?
the Palette 2S Pro struggled to print TPU to TPU, I'm not seeing any indication that this will be any better at flexibles.
Looks awesome! Great video man :)
I'm still looking forward to when they're in sync enough that there's no huge wasted transition block
I think the problem is that when two spliced filament melts they mix. So you will always have a bit of transition time between them.
As far as I know, one option that palette have it is that you can use the transition material as infill to prevent to use the purge tower,
yeah actually I don't want to waste plastic. I always see 3d printing as a non very ecological way to work, I hate to 3d print useless minis but if I lose 50% of the material… what a waste.
You can use a (non palette splicer) to do side transitions, where it dumps the transition off the side of the bed. Less waste, but still wasty
I wonder if you could use just the Splicecore to splice together multiple filaments. To convert the small leftover filament in a roll into a long filament for a full roll.
I JUST got a palette 2. Should I return it? Would the 3 be that much better? Dang.
In all fairness the 3's are alot more expensive if memory serves me well. The 2's were retailing for around 400? These are retailing at 699 (799 once it goes off of presale)
@@tonyradle8747 that is not "a lot more expensive." unless your income is second world or less.
I may have to get one of these. Although I still haven't setup my Palette 2s Pro.
Make functional parts with as many different materials as possible (tpu, pc, ABS, carbonfilled, asa,...)
Eh... Some materials don't bond very well to each other, and I could see filament breaks being an issue.
When he mentioned using different materials my first thought went to how does the printer handle the different temperatures for different filaments... I print mainly pla with a smattering of abs and Asa tossed in. Even just the pla from different brands prints at different temperatures... Yes, they all print with in the same range, but Amazon basic filament is very oozy if I print it where matter hackers pla prints really well...
@@jhbryaniv The pallet 2 doesn't change temps, so you need to choose filaments that have similar melting temps or use just one filament
@@jhbryaniv temp changes can be done in gcode but I have no idea if there's software for this right now. Like @Mikowmer said the main issue would be different materials bonding to each other. Using PP with anything else might be quite hard.
These machines are soo bad at printing flexibles, just TPU to TPU is a nightmare for splicers, mixing with other materials is gonna be even worse
I do a lot of batch printing but unfortunately my printers don't have runout sensors on them so if I don't have enough filament left on the spool to do a full print then it will just sit on the shelf. I'm thinking of getting one of these to use in splicing together all those left over spools into full usable spools of filament.
Soluble supports!
Is this only about color? Or can you splice different materials together as well? It's like to see PETG combined with some TPU (similar to the overmolding seen on lots of powertools).
3.5 years later, $800...
Woooooow That Rainbow is so satisfying to look at, Truly magnificent ! 🤩😍🌈
Me initialy : $800!!!! Nooo way! I own a paint brush thank you.
Me after seeing the rainbow: only $700? I don't need car insurance right? This is an investment!
you sir are a goof ball
I knew I could count on this channel to see what this thing is all about - im new to 3D printing and your newest subscriber. Thank you for the killer content Joel, now stop making me want to spend money! 🤣
Maybe they should work on making it more affordable. Its cool but a 800 price tag is a bit much.
I wonder if you could use another model as the transition tower? Like something that could utilize the waste for its own print?
this is awesome
I wonder when we woul be able to get a better solution for the transitions tower situation to avoid the plastic waste
not sure if already out there and i just don't know it
How did you know this was just what I wanted to watch today? You is awesome!
Thanks for the review, it looks like there is quite a lot of wastage in the transition tower, what's the typical % waste?
I just bought the palette 2S. Really like it 😁, 8 colors is cool and all, I don't even have enough colors to utilize all 4 intakes on the 2S lol
Would love to see you test it with dissolvable supports on a multi color print and maybe flexible with some non flexible in the sane print. It is so crazy to think this is what came from that Toronto trip. I remember how crazy that experiment was!
Also, that rainbow transition tower is entirely too pretty!
The palette 2S pro was terrible at flexibles...wanna buy mine? It jams more than bob marley
@@Fly_High_FPV oofff, good to know. I like jam on my biscuits, jam in my jazz but not such a fan of jam on my filaments. Actual filament jams and fruit jams respectively. Although I am not sure why I would have jam on my filament....
Been waiting 2 1/2 months now to receive my Anycubic Chiron purchased in mid January.
The subject of multi-color models crossed my mind and this popped up in my suggested viewing.
The only question I still need to sort is how to figure out where to make the transitions. I'm guessing there must be a sim software that builds from the sliced model and allows color selections on screen with filament volume calculation.
Guess I should head over to their site and find out.
In printed multi material like Circits and then light diffuseres so all you have to do is pop in leds and power 👌
Great sales video... want to see TPU printing
Palettes are terrible at TPU...jams n jams n jams (palette 2S pro owner and full time 3D printer)
Multicolor printing is super cool, but something I need rarely. However, what I need a lot is a solution to all of the spools of filament I have that don't have enough filament on it for larger prints. Can this be used to join all of these filament ends into one large strand, and put it back on a spool, instead of printing with it directly?
just ordered the MMU2 from Prusa a couple weeks ago and I was flipping back and forth on the pallet2 or MMU. finally decided I wasnt fully onboard with the system that fused material and relied on timing to get them in the right sequence and in sync with the print job. How much did I overthink this?
You would really impress me, by not printing different colors with similar properties, but by printing different materials, PLA, TPU, PETG and soluble material into a single print. given the different properties and temperatures, I would be interested in seeing the outcome and print quality.
I'd love to see you print something with multiple material types
like flexible hinges on a box or something with conductive filament
They really suck at flexibles...gotta palette 2S pro for sale if you want to print hard plastics...
@@Fly_High_FPV That's unfortunate. I'd love this for mixed media projects for the engineering benefits
@@saritshull3909 if you can get past the jamming, the bigger issue was there's no way to calibrate the esteps in the palette 2s pro (other than the calibration routine), so it always over extruded TPU which makes timing impossible (even after spending more $$$ on a Canvas Hub) ..probably fine for PLA, but struggle bus for TPU
Very cool! I guess the next step is to go back down to 6 filaments but somehow blend them in the machine. Imagen having cyan magenta yellow white and black filaments and being able to mix them in any combination for hundreds of thousands of different colours.
Cant you install some purge brush that matches the Z height so it doesn’t have to create a huge purge tower, it just does a little bit and wipes the nozzle on the brush
I have delayed ordering the Palette 2pro since I learned of the P3spor, and I'm putting the order in tomorrow! I would like to see you feature the P3SP using wood-infused PLA and the various "colors" of wood available. I am modeling miniature houses and I am excited printingto start printing with wood PLA. I look forward to have the capability of mixing the wood tones and still have room for specialized BRIDGING filament. I'm hoping to learn about the settings that you will use in your setup. Do you have a "favorite" filament manufacturer (brand) that will have the largest variety of wood tones/colors?
you said softer materials... defintely would be curious to see if it can print ninjaflex, or even semi-flex... like can you print a toy car's tire+wheel in one shot? tire in normal TPU and wheel in PLA?
I'm curious how slicing works. Does it need a special slicer? When I do 2 colors on the ToyDIY it has a special version of Cura.
I'm surprised that the purge block issue hasn't been better adressed yet. I would think by now we would have a way to input the length of the filament between the mosaic and the hotend so that you would only need to purge a couple centimeters on each end of the transition. of course that would depend on how often it is swapping and how long that run is but still I feel like there is room for improvement there that only needs software and a distance value
That is how I always wished 3D printing worked in my mind---right color at the right time with no prep or painting---but I know I would screw up every single print with that plus it must use a ton more filament with those transition towers. I'm fairly new but it's already to the point where I only stock a handful of colors in quality brands to pick from after going on a filament spending spree initially. I'll be breaking down prints and painting for the foreseeable future but that thing is a great sign of things to come.
It's like going from monochrome printers in the 80's to full colour... I knew it was only a matter of time.. Love it.. Soon, printers will have this built-in..
print a pva interface layer for supports. Also print something with a tpu joint.
Palette is so awful at TPU
I'd love to see a multi material print using the palette 3. It would be fun to see how Joel tackles the differences in temp, adhesion and other properties of a multimaterial print.
How about printing a multicolor abs model, then smooth it with acetone and check: do the colors get smeared? How good is the finish?
3d printing tech just gets better and better. Awesome.
Love the new intro, not watched in a while and I love it!
Could you switch back and forth between colors frequently to get deliberate color mixing? Can you make full-color with CMYK + White?
I'm still holding out for true in-line color mixing. CYMK+White? Maybe in the next few years. I wonder if there could be a way to overdrive the mixture to help minimize the need for purging.
The shimmering of the Asgard tower reminded me of the bifrost/rainbow bridge of asgard
So what I would like to know is, if instead of a traditional purge block, if you could instead purge filaments on a 2nd model where color transitions wouldn't be a problem? Like a vase for example. Trying to maximize your filaments usage, maybe a print made to be functional.
A 8 color benchy would be cool and how easy is it to change material color in the slicer
@3D Printing Nerd print a Hilbert Curve where you use 4 colors if it is going clockwise from the last line segment in the curve and 4 colors if going counterclockwise, with the 4 colors being used 1 each for the cardinal directions. In the interest of efficiency of waste towers, this only needs to be on the outer surface.
Would be nice to see how the spools are set up to feed the Pallet. Now hook up 8 rolls of the same color to have unattended printing on either the CR-30 or the big printer in the garage. This could be a huge help for print farms.
This was great! I want one! Can you show us the entire setup? Show us what it looks like to actually have 8 spools on holders (wow? How?), space to the Palette, connection from Palette to your Prusa, etc. How big a space do I need to run this thing?
CNC kitchen recently did a multi material print with TPU and PETG to make wall clips. He had the E3D tool changer, but with the new buffer design in the pallet 3 I would be very interested to see if something like that is possible with this machine!
Can you show how you have your 8 spools set up leading to the Palette 3 Pro?
Words!! I need more words!!!! Awesome video. This might be the push I need to buy one finally!! So cool.
Thanks for the tip! Just put in my order ... it seems a lot longer 'til September now than it did moments ago. My need for instant gratification is going to be sorely tested. I want it now!
Keep up the awesome work, Joel!
They look to be exactly what I was looking for. I would like to see functional/structural parts. PETG motorcycle manifold with TPU inner rings.
They suck at TPU, jam n jam n jam some more
Your excitement is addictive! The Mosaic systems have always been a very attractive option. I've enjoyed your interviews and examples with the company. Thank you
Could you print something that doesn't use a transition block? Or if not challenge to see how small of a transition block you could make with a print, say for instance mini Joel.
Thank you for all the great content! I'm always learning.
Having been fighting my MMU2 for years, I've just ordered this!
This one is as difficult, probably fine if you're just using PLA, but trash if you want to use flexible materials
I've wanting a Mosaic Pallette for a long while but have been holding off on getting one. Now I just might pull that trigger band buy one.
This is amazing! Watching the machine is so cool
It really is!
How about making an anatomical cross section? This is a cool tool. Do you need special software to create gcode to coordinate colour transitions?
I'd like to see a detailed walk-through of how to use this, how to set it up with your printer etc - especially the Prusa Mini you briefly mentioned, as that's what I have
Just ordered my pallette 3 pro and prusa i3 MK3S+! Thank you
It would be cool to see the advancement where there would be no need for purge towers. It seems that with today's technology and having the Palette 3 communicate with the slicer and print settings, it should be able to have all the color changes arrive at the nozzle exactly when needed or at least somewhere internally in the model (i.e. infill or inner perimeters) so that the outside facing portion of the model has the correct color when needed. The communication piece of the software would know all the print settings such as flow rate, etc...
Conductive filament, magnetically attracted filament (if it exists), and PLA could make a pretty cool one print electromagnet
Possibly even a one print working motor
Nice update, I wonder when they will implement the color transition inside the print to reduce (or remove) the purge tower
They're canvas slicing software is pretty bleak, but cura and most others can
This looks like such an improvement in the interior components. Can’t wait to get my hands on one!
what a great job you did here, super rich information and very funny! thanks and well done!
This is a great solution to color printing and even multi material printing, granted multi material may pose some issues. really nice solution and machine
This advancement is incredible! When you use ironing on a model like that rainbow however, does it fade the colors and blend smoothly or single colors at a time... 😯🤔
A church window with different transparent colors would be an idea.
Thanks for your videos, it's really fun to watch them.
Greetings from Germany.
Notice how every second filament path merges with its neighbor? I think that means that they could do even more colors with just a different indexer (the thing under the roller that chooses what filament to move) and a different filament path at the start
Is there a function for a filament runout where it automatically switches over to a full roll? Meaning you don't have to babysit a machine for a filament replace. Of course one have use up an extra channel for this but it may be worth it. Thanks for excellent videos!
Fantastic tech! I see that it can change between colors with the purge block but can it blend from one color to another?
Overall very cool, debating this or upgrading my Prusia to its setup
I'd like a feature for the transition tower to be printed as other model(s) and the rest is put in to a tower. I'm painting most things printed so what it looks like underneath. There's some things to take in to count with the height in total and some other things.
You mentioned multi-material prints but didn't elaborate. I'd like to see that tested because I would think there would be hot end temperature differences and maybe even material adhesion differences (different materials might not stick to eachother) that could effect final print quality.