8 Colors At Once! // First Look at the Mosaic Palette 3!
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- The Mosaic Palette 3 is ALL NEW! Palette 3 Pro can take up to 8 FILAMENTS! Let your imagination run wild with the colors and materials you'll now be able to 3d print AT THE SAME TIME!
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So cool to see this tech evolve! Mosaic has knocked it out of the park with 8 filament inputs
Now lets plug the outputs of 8 pallete pros into into the inputs of another pallete pro and print with 64 colors!
Prolly only take forever to print anything
Can you please please please test how it handles not only different Colors, but also how it handles different Materials?
Like a transition from PLA, to dissolvable Support.
Or Nylon, to TPU.
besides that, thank you so much for covering this, I was allready hyped for the pallet 1, to see how it evolves is stunning!
Great questions! yea preordering is not always a good idea, especially when we don't have all the answers from a thorough review.
Nylon to TPU will be not work.
Nozzle temp will also have to shift huge to accommodate dissolvable support to PLA and probably result in clogs or ooozy mess but interesting to see
I suppose that the best way to achieve dissolvable supports support is use multi nozzle hotend (e3d chimera, etc...), where separated nozzle is used with Pallete processed filament (PLA I think) and the second one is just for dissolvable one (PVA or others)
Dissolvable material is #1 question for me. Colors are nice, but support materials are what push printer to another level.
Do something with water dissolvable support material and different colors of very flexible material.
Love the cut scenes....always good to get a laugh in while learning!
I wondered if they could work in PVA for support material
Mix in some flexible filament... Vibration dampening, built in straps...
These machines are trash for TPU, dont bother with TPE super flexibles
Yes of course you can add PVA filament too
That Rainbow waste block is a work of art on it's own!
Print in place Rubick's Cube would use 7 colors (6 for the faces plus another one for the body), you can surely find a way to add another one, maybe a logo on one of the squares like the original one
I had the same idea, would be nice
I'd love to have a quick walkthrough where you show us how you prepare your 3D model for multicolor printing with the Pallete.
You have to divide your part in multiple pieces (as many pieces as colours) and then throw them in Canvas
Its a real shame this machine never lived up to the hype. Tons of hardware issues and it still randomly freezes over a year later.
yes! wohoo! was waiting for the new Palette 👌😎 how about a Benchy in 8 colors? 😁
Oh hi marsgismo
First comment!!!
lol hey didn't exept to see you here marsgizmo
Rgb bench!
Yas! Giant colour Benchy! 👍
So this thing is like basically one big extruder?
Gosh, that transition tower is HUGE 😩
I like your youtube name
Yeah, that's dismaying.
Probably just depends on the amount of times it's transitions and the complexity of the print, I'd say it's a nice trade off for what it's capable of
I know that it’s goofy, but I love your late night infomercial energy in this ep.
Less multicolour more crazy multimaterial maybe something with flex(tpu or simular), petg, abs, poly carb, pla, nylon, (maybe a maybe filled pla with wood or carbon) and PVA supports?
The problem with that is the materials don't typically splice well together. For example pla will never stick to tpu which is why in a IDEX printer pla works damn good for support material on tpu prints but in this type of machine I imagine you would never be able to achieve a perfect splice.
@@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs or the e3d tool changer.
It struggles to splice TPU to TPU correctly...when you have multiple materials it's even harder
@3D Printing Nerd: Suggestion: Give the Rainbow model to Palette as a calibration model.
I feel like if you use a palette it should be encouraged to take those transition blocks and find a way to reuse them...
Perhaps a fun thing for them to code could be that when you print with multi colors instead of a useless block it has the ability to make a useful print instead of a block of filament.
I believe with the prusa Multi Material Upgrade (MMU) it has the option to purge in a different model. Maybe in a functional part thats out of sight anyway.
@@HappyAchterhooker It could be an Easter egg of sorts. A "feature" to be turned off and on. I know I print a bunch of stuff that would be awesome multicolor, but I also print door stoppers that color doesn't matter because they get broken or lost at the office.
Im not trying to be an eco warrior, but my first thought was ugh what a waste of material... The purge block is almost the same size as the rainbow....
I've seen a device that allows you to extrude little balls that can then be recycled back into filament. That could be something useful.
@@Mikowmer I thought I remembered a video somewhere that demo'd a product that allowed reuse of filament, it had to be ground up and than it melted it into filament again...
@@jhbryaniv Yeah. The pellets created by this device are small enough that it doesn't need to be ground up again. I'm considering implementing it on a printer I'm building at the moment.
REALLY impressed with the engineering on this. So elegant and simple compared to previous models.
I've been dreaming of owning one of these machines for years.... Someday I'll be able to afford one. 😕
I want it! no, I need it!
I read that in spongebob's voice lol
We ALLLL NEEEED ITTTT!!!!
Ahh, this is such a great innovation! And the rest of the line looks so promising too!! The revolution is now.
600$ i will wait :D
It would be better if you use white filament and could inject pigment into the heatblock to mix a colour on demand :) Like inkjet cartridges for printers!
Something like the person who used markers to change the colour
Rather a translucante than ad white pigment to it.
If the filament is translucent all the pigmetn is vissble after its melted and it get a much better result.
@@matsv201 Yeah suspect translucent would be better, but may cost more to produce. Only a thought no idea how it would work in practice! Would probably need some sort of fine powder pigment and feed through an auger but may not be remotely possible
I think XYZWare did something like that, but personally I don't support them because they're trying to bring the traditional printer business model into 3D printing. I.E. sell the printer at a loss but lock your customers into your proprietary parts and (microchipped cartridges of) filament.
da Vinci Color does that by xyz printing.
Great review their site is not showing the discount yet. Would be cool to compare this to the prusa to see who is more efficient with waste
Tons of software optimization opportunities. Prusa did a lot more so far.
@@ludovic2003 so is the mmu better?
@@hunterg312 the mmu2 is cheaper and it works well once you get it tuned. (Took me about a week of fiddling) The pallet is much easier to use out of the box and is generally more reliable.
Prusa support has been great with what little help I've needed. And considering all of the stories I've heard about jams and feeding issues, I've had very few after the initial sensor calibration despite my less than ideal setup.
I'll probably be picking up a pallette 3 for my other (non prusa) printer
@@Mytagforhalo I own the palette 2 it works great and thr customer support is awesome.
@@hunterg312 Cool! How reliable is it? How often does it fail, and how difficult is it to fix fails?
I really like the aesthetic of the transition blocks....they look like works of art
Wonder how hard it would be to code a second print out of that...
I think a print-in-place Rubik's Cube would be perfect for this! Other than that, I think this technology allows you to save on your expensive filaments by using cheaper filaments on the inside for structural support and the fancy filaments for the exterior!
you would have to be spending a *ton* on your "expensive" filaments to offset the cost of the pallette....
Jordan lets help him out , carbon fiber outside , and cheap inside then it makes sense
@@corellian6522 Eh it's like since you can have more than 2 colors so why not do it kind of thing.
But yeah, it probably would not save that much, but is sort of useful I suppose if you don't have much of a filament but for some reason have a lot of another
@@corellian6522 You don't buy it solely to save on cost, of course. But in my country, some filaments can cost almost double of the cheaper stuffs. It is just something extra you can do while the main purpose is to print in multi colour
Wouldn't a dual extruder set up work just as well?
This looks like such an improvement in the interior components. Can’t wait to get my hands on one!
I watch this and think “how cool would it be to print in 8 colours”, then I remember I paint almost all of my 3D prints anyway.
Personally I've never felt the need for multi color prints. I still love the tech and try to keep current. I was under the impression that one of the main benefits to the Pallet was that the splicing eliminated the need for transition towers?
Thanks for the tip! Just put in my order ... it seems a lot longer 'til September now than it did moments ago. My need for instant gratification is going to be sorely tested. I want it now!
Keep up the awesome work, Joel!
Awesome Joel! Seriously cool transitions, effects. And of course the Palette 3 is a game changer! You are a Maker. Make more!
Ive always thought one of the most exciting aspects of the pallet is printing multi material something that is both ridged and flexible or that has dissolvable supports or both! How about a epic dragon in multicolor with flexible/leathery wings out spread?
the Palette 2S Pro struggled to print TPU to TPU, I'm not seeing any indication that this will be any better at flexibles.
I'm still looking forward to when they're in sync enough that there's no huge wasted transition block
I think the problem is that when two spliced filament melts they mix. So you will always have a bit of transition time between them.
As far as I know, one option that palette have it is that you can use the transition material as infill to prevent to use the purge tower,
yeah actually I don't want to waste plastic. I always see 3d printing as a non very ecological way to work, I hate to 3d print useless minis but if I lose 50% of the material… what a waste.
You can use a (non palette splicer) to do side transitions, where it dumps the transition off the side of the bed. Less waste, but still wasty
No way. You have one new Palette 🎨. amazing
I'd love to see a multi material print using the palette 3. It would be fun to see how Joel tackles the differences in temp, adhesion and other properties of a multimaterial print.
Soluble supports!
Could you try putting the palette on the Creality Cr30 and try to make a long multicoloured print
Or a multi spool print in one color, 8 kg in a row.
Woooooow That Rainbow is so satisfying to look at, Truly magnificent ! 🤩😍🌈
what a great job you did here, super rich information and very funny! thanks and well done!
Make functional parts with as many different materials as possible (tpu, pc, ABS, carbonfilled, asa,...)
Eh... Some materials don't bond very well to each other, and I could see filament breaks being an issue.
When he mentioned using different materials my first thought went to how does the printer handle the different temperatures for different filaments... I print mainly pla with a smattering of abs and Asa tossed in. Even just the pla from different brands prints at different temperatures... Yes, they all print with in the same range, but Amazon basic filament is very oozy if I print it where matter hackers pla prints really well...
@@jhbryaniv The pallet 2 doesn't change temps, so you need to choose filaments that have similar melting temps or use just one filament
@@jhbryaniv temp changes can be done in gcode but I have no idea if there's software for this right now. Like @Mikowmer said the main issue would be different materials bonding to each other. Using PP with anything else might be quite hard.
These machines are soo bad at printing flexibles, just TPU to TPU is a nightmare for splicers, mixing with other materials is gonna be even worse
Id like to see you weigh the part printed versus the transition tower to see how much material is wasted. Looks like they have reduced its mass quite a bit though with the support looking parts of it.
Unfortunately, they can't do much to reduce how much material you need to purge beyond making the transition point more accurate, it's the properties of your nozzle and filament that determine how much you need to purge to avoid color mixing.
@@MalikDrako I wonder if introducing a cleaning filament would purge the nozzle quicker. Do like 5 mm of cleaning stuff then the new color versus whatever the normal buffer size is on the purge block. I wonder if this would help with the whites not having bleed over as well.
@@MrMadeinthe80s The waste block needs to be at the same height as the main print, I would guess that the support looking areas is it saving on material to maintain the height when there is not a color change; so yes, exactly what you say. The Prusa MMU's amount of waste is partially why I stopped using it.
@@RogueProeliator yeah I have a palette 2 myself. I just wondered if they built in one of the filaments to be a cleaning filament instead of just purging for awhile until the next color is fully out if it would work quicker to clear the previous color out of the way and make way for the next. A buffer between colors so to speak. You'll always have to use the purge block I just wondered if this would reduce it further or work at all. They make cleaning filament to clear clogs and it also seems to remove any excess of whats currently in the hotend.
A purge bucket is so much more efficient.
Awesome!!! Just placed a pre-order in my local shop so cant wait until June 👍🤘
Looks awesome! Great video man :)
I JUST got a palette 2. Should I return it? Would the 3 be that much better? Dang.
In all fairness the 3's are alot more expensive if memory serves me well. The 2's were retailing for around 400? These are retailing at 699 (799 once it goes off of presale)
@@tonyradle8747 that is not "a lot more expensive." unless your income is second world or less.
Me initialy : $800!!!! Nooo way! I own a paint brush thank you.
Me after seeing the rainbow: only $700? I don't need car insurance right? This is an investment!
you sir are a goof ball
Ordered. Really excited to test it.
BRAVO!!!
Maybe they should work on making it more affordable. Its cool but a 800 price tag is a bit much.
Made me smile
Love the new intro, not watched in a while and I love it!
Love the slick editing! High Five!
Words!! I need more words!!!! Awesome video. This might be the push I need to buy one finally!! So cool.
3d printing tech just gets better and better. Awesome.
I knew I could count on this channel to see what this thing is all about - im new to 3D printing and your newest subscriber. Thank you for the killer content Joel, now stop making me want to spend money! 🤣
Thats amazing!
So glad Bambu lab came around with their AMS units
that rainbow make me smile ^^
Your excitement is addictive! The Mosaic systems have always been a very attractive option. I've enjoyed your interviews and examples with the company. Thank you
Could you print something that doesn't use a transition block? Or if not challenge to see how small of a transition block you could make with a print, say for instance mini Joel.
Thank you for all the great content! I'm always learning.
Thanks for reviewing - I’d like to see the full setup, like how are the 8 roles best mounted /managed?
I can’t imagine it’s too tidy / easy to reload without an improvement over that simple metal bracket.
Nobody is just going to stand it on a desk with 8 colours loaded, are they?
It's like going from monochrome printers in the 80's to full colour... I knew it was only a matter of time.. Love it.. Soon, printers will have this built-in..
This is amazing! Watching the machine is so cool
It really is!
ive always wanted to try out printing items with diff materials, such as using TPU as a flexible joint to a box and around a latch.
Or print an in-place Wheel/Tire
That is so cool!!! Thanks for sharing Joel, you are aggressively awesome! ;)
That's really impressive!
Wow, that's pretty cool!
Having been fighting my MMU2 for years, I've just ordered this!
This one is as difficult, probably fine if you're just using PLA, but trash if you want to use flexible materials
It's an incredible concept really inovative i want one for Christmas :-D
I think the one thing mosaic should develop is a filament that helps purge the previous color more easily. Kind of like cleaning filaments. That way the purge/transition block isn't so wasteful.
Holy jeeze... this thing is sick!
that is awesome!
Joel, will this be able to do multiple filament types? I'm interested in doing some stuff that requires a hard filament and then flexible filament to uses as gasket.
The wast block could stop a train, but its a rainbow with fluffy clouds and a border!!
Finally you can print a case with transparent windows in one go and no annoying process to leave an empty space print the window and install it manually.
On my end, I'm very curious how you indicate what should be in what color? Is this something done at the designing(fusion step) ? Or do you have some software where you paint on model? How well would it integrate with my octoprint+prusa mk3? What is your opinion between the palette 3 and the MMU2S ? I'm really interessted by multicolors printing but there is a lack of ressources on it ;)
I'm curious how slicing works. Does it need a special slicer? When I do 2 colors on the ToyDIY it has a special version of Cura.
I love spending thousands of dollars on new machines, upgrades, filaments, and other additions so I can print those cute little boats.
this is awesome
I wonder when we woul be able to get a better solution for the transitions tower situation to avoid the plastic waste
not sure if already out there and i just don't know it
Oh man, I need!
That is actually quite cool!
Run the 3 output into an input of the 3 pro?
Also, how well can it splice different materials? Like PETG to TPU or PVA.
Thanks for the video, I am wondering if there is now a way to instead of printing a transition tower, to use that material to print another object(s)?
Joel, this is fantastic! While watching this video, I had the idea of making colored lithophanes! Since you are the only person in the world with these, it’s up to you to make it happen! I’d love to see if this idea works or not!
Hey Joel, nice video! What 3D printer would you recommend? I am looking for a big build volume, it shouldn't cost more than ~1000€ and maybe have a multi material or dual extrusion upgrade available.. I am currently deciding between the ender 5 plus and the creality cr-6 max. You sadly don't have any reviews on them.
This is a great solution to color printing and even multi material printing, granted multi material may pose some issues. really nice solution and machine
I'd like to see a detailed walk-through of how to use this, how to set it up with your printer etc - especially the Prusa Mini you briefly mentioned, as that's what I have
Wow 8! Okay so when I get a 3d printer, I've always wondered if I used this if it could print like a water soluble filament so that supports just melt off afterwards.
Also is there a way to print with the transition part to maybe make a nice blended gradient vase or something?
I do a lot of batch printing but unfortunately my printers don't have runout sensors on them so if I don't have enough filament left on the spool to do a full print then it will just sit on the shelf. I'm thinking of getting one of these to use in splicing together all those left over spools into full usable spools of filament.
Thanks for the review, it looks like there is quite a lot of wastage in the transition tower, what's the typical % waste?
I was thinking about a wheel, how would it go with PLA for the bulk of the wheel and TPU for the outside?
Or would that not be possible?
Great video, is it possible to, or rather is there translucent plastic (like a window suncatcher ie. stained glass effect)?
Is there a function for a filament runout where it automatically switches over to a full roll? Meaning you don't have to babysit a machine for a filament replace. Of course one have use up an extra channel for this but it may be worth it. Thanks for excellent videos!
That is how I always wished 3D printing worked in my mind---right color at the right time with no prep or painting---but I know I would screw up every single print with that plus it must use a ton more filament with those transition towers. I'm fairly new but it's already to the point where I only stock a handful of colors in quality brands to pick from after going on a filament spending spree initially. I'll be breaking down prints and painting for the foreseeable future but that thing is a great sign of things to come.
just ordered the MMU2 from Prusa a couple weeks ago and I was flipping back and forth on the pallet2 or MMU. finally decided I wasnt fully onboard with the system that fused material and relied on timing to get them in the right sequence and in sync with the print job. How much did I overthink this?
You would really impress me, by not printing different colors with similar properties, but by printing different materials, PLA, TPU, PETG and soluble material into a single print. given the different properties and temperatures, I would be interested in seeing the outcome and print quality.
Besides the multi-color aspect of the Palette, don't forget the incredible value of being able to feed it the last few meters from lots of different spools that might otherwise go in the trash. Also, for the giant models that may eat more plastic than your 1kg spool can offer, loading multiple channels of the Palette with identical spools, means not having to stop for a filament change mid-print.
@Joel - you should commission a supersized Palette for the monster lurking in the garage that is the Workbench Pro.
Woah!
Love the concept and can't wait to see what people start to make with these when they get out into the world. Would love to see some sort of Maker's Muse & 3DPN colab for a color torture test. Something 8 color crazy and beautiful.
Been waiting 2 1/2 months now to receive my Anycubic Chiron purchased in mid January.
The subject of multi-color models crossed my mind and this popped up in my suggested viewing.
The only question I still need to sort is how to figure out where to make the transitions. I'm guessing there must be a sim software that builds from the sliced model and allows color selections on screen with filament volume calculation.
Guess I should head over to their site and find out.
Very cool! I guess the next step is to go back down to 6 filaments but somehow blend them in the machine. Imagen having cyan magenta yellow white and black filaments and being able to mix them in any combination for hundreds of thousands of different colours.
You have got my attention with this awesome review. I would like to see how this is programmed in the slicer and design
Can you combine the filaments for different blends or do they only work one filament at a time . Be nice to have a cymb and back ups and just mix them up
It seems to be so good ! Do you know if the palette 3 Pro is compatible with the Artillery Sidewinder X1 which has a direct drive extruder ?
Thanks for the info you are my favorite utuber on 3d printers.
Would it work on a printer with a filament break sensor as the one on the creality cr6-se?
Just had a thought: Can you print with multiple ABS filaments, and then vapor smooth the result? (or, alternatively, multiple Polysmooth filaments? I guess it wouldn't be much different from trying it with the previous Palettes besides allowing 8 colors, but I'd imagine it could provide an interesting result, or alternatively might cause colors to blend or reveal too much infill perhaps...
I’m assuming they are still not compatible with a duet3d board.
Also have they fixed canvas because it seems like every time I try to slice big models it won’t work and canvas crashes I could only imagine how it would be with 8 colors
Are you able to use the Prusa slicer still with this or do you have to use software from Mosaic?
Can you select which filament to use just like with the mmu2s along with prusa slicer?