I feel like Hyper Sonic in Archie would be a complete Ultra form. Ultra would be a taste of the power limited only by Sonic himself, but Hyper would be Super with Ultra’s infinite power and potential
Literally Super Emeralds but bigger than galaxies and sits in the middle of the universe and all has infinite energy that can grant Sonic a new form. SEGA PLEASE.
I think hyper sonic has the hax. Ultra sonic has feats while hyper is "super but stronger" While ultra can be analyzed the only thing you can do about hyper is put him a tier higher than super.
@@ahmadkazan7994 hyper sonic is more than just a stronger super sonic, he is way above that level of power and that's saying something due to how powerful and hax super sonic is and is feats and accomplishments. If hyper sonic had more screen time and feats and gameplay playability I say that is sonic most powerful form of all time.
I how see these forms is... Super Sonic: Harnessing Chaos energy. Ultra Sonic: Tap into the raw power of Chaos energy. Hyper Sonic: Becoming one Above the Concept of Chaos energy.
thing is... seizures isnt hyper sonics only ability in its appearance in s3k he can erase the shells of the robots around the animals... with hyper flash he can selectively erase things multiple at a time from a distance..... and thats its game incarnation... if archie had hyper sonic... he would be too powerful...
You kind of point this out, but seven times infinity is still infinity. Super Sonic has basically infinite power. Then what's the point of the others? The best way to put it is control. Before Ultra Sonic was introduced, Hyper Sonic was basically the 'complete' form of super sonic. There's no powerscaling here, because these forms aren't dragon ball forms. They're narrative climaxes made manifest and enforce their thoughts and wishes through unlimited magical power. The only difference is their scope. Super Sonic is essentially the incomplete version of Ultra Sonic... Super Sonic is physically invincible, but he is vulnerable to chaos manipulation. Knuckles has a connection to the Master Emerald, which can manipulate the source of Super Sonic, and Eggman has been manipulating chaos energy for a long time now, hence pulling the emeralds out of Sonic in Unleashed. Hyper, conceptually, is essentially this, but without those vulnerabilities, and a far broader scope of chaos control. Where does that leave Ultra Sonic? Well, if I had to take a shot in the dark, Ultra Sonic is basically just a single step up from Super Sonic. A super emerald contains the same amount of power as seven chaos emeralds, so the form is essentially the same, but the upgrade grants Ultra Sonic further power over the world around him. His ability to manipulate his environment is escalated to unparalelled lengths, essentially becoming a god, with a vaguely limited scope. Conceptually, Hyper Sonic is an actual god. Not like a Dragon Ball god, an actual, capital G God that can enforce his wishes on the world freely. A conceptual archie hyper sonic would be that.
@@samuraixronin4630 Most developed fictional multiverses and real world religions and mythologies disagree with you. Capital G gods exist in lots of places. That's why Dragon Ball has this issue where they're either guaranteed to win or guaranteed to lose with no real middle because the gods in that series are lowercase g gods. Unless you can actually write and know that crossovers require balancing for the characters to meaningfully interact.
infinity is not always the same infinity, there are levels best way to explain is this: imagine a 1d line that line can be as long as you want. it can be infinite. but even if it's infinitely long, it will never be 2d. that infinite 1d line is still nothing compared to anything in 2d. now you can also take that 2d plane and make it infinite. literally infinite. but it will never be 3d. anything 3d is still greater infinity in 2d. that's why even if the chaos emeralds have infinite power, the super emeralds can be a tier above them and just one super emerald is greater than the infinite power of the 7 chaos emeralds
Just wanted to add that in the Archie Comics "Hyper" forms of Knuckles and Tails are basically just Super Forms and they scale to Super Sonic. Like the one time Super Sonic fought Hyper Knuckles and they were a match.
Now THIS was something else. I've never dug that deep into the Sonic lore before, so it was a real eye-opener. This was perhaps the most detailed look I ever had at the Archie comics so far, and likewise with the concept of Hyper Sonic. Initially, I was of the belief that Ultra Sonic was stronger for this reason, due to my lack of understanding. He was from the Archie comics where Sonic is generally considered to be stronger than in the games, the name just sounds stronger, and he's not flashing any colors, but rather has an infinity symbol of rings surrounding his chest. Not to mention in the sprite battle between Sonic and The Flash, Ultra Sonic was what brought Sonic out on top, and long story short he made quick work of the scarlet speedster. But after hearing how Sonic requires one super emerald or 1 billion rings to go Ultra, while remembering that he needs all seven to go Hyper (I did know that part), plus all the other stuff you added, now it all makes perfect sense, and I believe you couldn't have put it any better on why we have never seen Hyper Sonic ever again, and probably never should. My latest theory was that if you combined Super Sonic, Hyper Sonic and Ultra Sonic, then Sonic could achieve a form called Perfect Sonic: the final, ultimate demonstration of his true power. Now it is clear to me that that probably isn't necessary, because Hyper Sonic already is that form. :D
@@chaoticx360 no, not really. Solaris is still 4d even if he is omnipresent. Sonoc needed help because he isn't omnipresent. If he is powerfull enough to hurt a 4d being, then he is 4d at the very least.
A theoretical abilities to add onto the list of ultra for hyper 1. Selective erasure... he can erase stuff in the game with hyper flash multiple AT ONCE 2. negative and positive chaos energy he can use both as he is chaos energy in its purest state not negative not positive but both 3. the ability to power up allies to super level(if super sonic can do this stuff then so can hyper heck he could prolly power em up to ultra or even the dark form... as that is negative chaos energy but its weaker than ultra due to it being less pure) 4. no need to breathe at all
I don’t think he’d turn people into their dark forms unless they’re some angry villain, because the dark form is formed when sonic is basically just releasing his inner “darkness” (god I hate that so much)
This was a treat, cause I was just thinking about this idea recently in one of my more out there story ideas. I thought of my own Sonic Universe that uses elements from as much Sonic content, but ultimately its more connected to the games. (Think Post Genesis Archie Sonic) Eventually he goes through a Spider-Verse crossover. A Sonic-Verse if you will. With Original Archie Sonic being one of them, and stated being stronger, and even mentioned that he is the strongest because of him grabbing the One Billionth Ring, and each universes rules are different depending on how much rings are in the universe. Which explains how 'chaotic' the rules are. It'll take awhile to explain it all, but basically, everyone teams up against Eggman, then a revelation turns everyone's back on each other and there is an all out war between everyone with many mirror matches. The main event being the Sonic's with the showdown Hyper Sonic vs Ultra Sonic. I thought about how it would go, and I guess I came to a similar conclusion like this video. Ultra Sonic is powerful, but it is merely an extension to Super Sonic, while Hyper is an ascension. Archie Sonic's base is still more powerful, and thus Ultra still is a match against Hyper. There is more to this, but I'll save that for the Discord Chat. (Unless someone is dying to know more here) But yeah, glad someone made a video on a bonkers idea like this.
Well ultra sonic is as powerful as a super emerald which could mean that one super emerald in the comics is stronger than seven super emeralds in the games so if Archie were to get all seven unless there’s one in his universe, he would destroy and alternate universe and *POSSIBILY* another dimennsion with a multiverse.
@@taydagoldenphoenix we don't know if one super emerald from Archie comics is more powerful than 7 super emeralds from the games that's just headcanon and it wouldn't make any sense. Sega banned hyper sonic from the continuity because he was so op and unfathomably powerful, from using all 7 super emeralds. It's a reason why hyper sonic has never made an appearance ever again because hyper sonic would have no challenge anymore if sonic had continued use with the form. He would destroy everything he come across. No one would be able to stop him because he is too op and broken you can't comprehend it. Hyper Sonic is more powerful than Ultra sonic. We haven't seen what hyper could actually do being in 1 game, if we had more screen time and feats and playability he would be so broken. Its a reason we don't see this transformation anymore he is too op and broken, he is using and channeling the power of 7 super emeralds, you can't write a story around that power sonic would be too broken and he would be a god. They even stopped showing ultra sonic because he is too op and only using the power of 1 super emerald, they had to stop it at 1 super emerald because that's enough and already have infinite power in 1 super emerald, now just imagine all 7 super emeralds he would be one of the most broken characters in existence/fiction and that have ever been made. If they went more in depth with hyper sonic he would be able to solo damn near everything in existence. Sega can't write stories around that. It still has to be interesting.
@@BayScrilla510 yeah true, but they should’ve made hyper sonic at least appear once for fan service and never show him again after that cause it’ll ruin the story.
@@taydagoldenphoenix in dragon ball terms think of ultra sonic as ui sign and hyper sonic as completed and mastered ui. Ultra Sonic is imperfect only using one super emerald and hyper sonic is the complete and mastered form of ultra sonic using seven super emeralds. We don't really know what hyper can really do. We just know its a way more powerful form than super sonic and if you add all of super sonic feats and bring hyper sonic back into the continuity he would've easily bodied and no diff and even one shot a godlike being like Solaris and etc. Hyper Sonic would be too op.
If Hyper Sonic were to be used again, he should appear whenever a being stronger than Super Sonic by a long shot to the point to where he won’t lose with just that.
I fell like ultra sonic was meant to evolve into hyper sonic in the comics eventually since ultra sonic only ever used 1 super emerald to transform Edit agree with 14:50
@@allspagonia3711 welp sir im gonna say no first thing is that there are other characters out there who transformations have white hair and secondly the forms are both representing different things
@@allspagonia3711 Hyper Sonic never had white hair, the only reason people was so coats hyper with white hair is because of game renders and because it would maybe look ugly to draw with in rainbow color
I think we can guage a hypothetical current Game Hyper Sonic. Super Sonic's highest peak in games was in 06. He shared his power to make him, Shadow, and Silver into their Super selfs. Solaris's very exsistence was destroying all of time and space, this would include Maginary World from Sonic Shuffle where every dream was a universe. We don't know how long this place exsisted but it would make no sense to say it only has exsisted since Sonic itself has. For all we know this could have been since the beginning of time and Solaris coming into exsistence destroyed this. There would be beyong Quintillions of universes considering we have humans and humanoid animals and other dimensions like Blaze's in the Sonic Multiverse. Each Super defeated a Solaris in a different time period and destroyed his armor which tanked the Multiverse's destruction with no scratches yet Super Sonic and also Super Shadow and Super Silver could completely destroy said armor. Sonic asorbed this mich power without any strain since Sonic has used what he's needed for his Super form since we don't know how much he can take from the Infinite power let's just say that this was his max. One Super Emerald makes Super Sonic in the game meaning Hyper Sonic could be 7× of Game Super Sonic who could take in 3x the power of Solaris, arguably making Hyper Sonic 21× the power of Solaris. This is broken considering current Sonic would still have Space-Time manipulation via Chaos Control.
Hyper Sonic must be the most op character ever made hands down; his power and stamina are limitless, a single jump and bam, everyone around him goes boom... An now we have Ultra Sonic? Darn, if the two of them were to face each other, the universe would collapse, and anything beyond that would be toast.
If you mean in the Sonic Franchise, then yes. But there are other franchises where there is an omnipotent being. And I don't mean those characters who claim to be omnipotent like Darkseid, I mean actual omnipotent characters, like The One Above All from Marvel (basically Marvel God)
@Divuv X You might be right. But this video is giving us an interesting idea. Hyper Sonic is a video game character. Heavily limited by gameplay mechanics. Super Sonic is also heavily limited by gameplay mechanics. In cutscenes, he can use Chaos Control, fly anywhere, purify negative energy, etc. In gameplay, we are just invincible. That’s it, no extra abilities. Even if Ultra Sonic existed in the games, we wouldn’t be able to use his powers. In gameplay, he would just be invincible. So, what if Hyper Sonic existed in the comics? What if he wasn’t limited by gameplay mechanics? Logically, he should be capable of doing anything Ultra Sonic can, but better.
@Jason black Yes, but if we were comparing a version of Hyper Sonic from the comics to Ultra Sonic, he would be significantly more powerful. It's common knowledge that Archie Sonic is much more powerful than game Sonic, but a comic version of Hyper Sonic would be above Ultra Sonic.
Absolutely because Ultra sonic: using the power 1 super emerald Hyper sonic: using the power of 7 super emeralds and *possibly* some power from the master emerald
The only way to make Hyper Sonic truly unkillable is if you make him withstand being crushed, make him unable to die from bottomless pits, and survive the 10 minute limit
I literally was looking for a “hyper sonic vs ultra sonic” video like 2 days ago....thank you. My biased of the comics had me thinking it was Ultra Sonic....butcha can’t beat logic 🤷🏾♂️
We could also consider the feats of Super Sonic in the games and hypothesize what Hyper Sonic’s power would be based on that. I feel that Hyper Sonic would have wrecked both Solaris and the Egg Wizard alone.
Exactly and Hyper Sonic would solo both Solaris and Egg Wizard alone. He would one shot them, thats how powerful hyper sonic would be especially since hyper sonic is the power of all 7 chaos emeralds, 7 Super Emeralds, powered by the Master Emerald and each step he takes leaves after images even when he walks and you add in all the feats Super Sonic accomplished, hyper sonic would be a literal god and he would one shot everything and have no challenge. Sega didn't bring him back just because of that, it would be too hard to write stories around that godlike power and super sonic is godlike in power too, so imagine hyper sonic if sonic had access to that form normally, you wouldn't be able to write any stories for sonic anymore. He would be beyond op. Facts.
7:51-7:55 Technically, sustaining his form depends on how much power he uses. Light use of his power, he can stay in his Ultra Form for a while longer. Heavy use of his power can result in a near instantaneous regression back into his regular base state. Think of it as being on adrenaline.
Have you done a video dissecting all of the different types of power items in the Sonic series? Like the Emeralds (Chaos/Super/Sol), the Chaos Rings and the Time Stones?
If hyper was in the archie comics, and was the complete and full power version of ultra sonic, then he would have all of his abilities from ultra enhanced many times over, along with greater speed and physical strength
Tails' form being called hyper is clearly just to give him a different name. Just like how his super form is inexplicably called turbo and Knuckles' is called hyper, there's no hidden meaning behind the names. If you're scaling Ultra above Super due to him "progressing" why don't you do the same for Hyper? Due to the nature of the game Super Emeralds, he would scale above all of game Super Sonic's feats. Comparing a What If? version of Hyper is kind of pointless for discussion, especially when Sonic did use all seven Super Emeralds in issue 83, rendering the entire idea of this hypothetical Archie Hyper Sonic moot.
Actually someone went into depth about the names and came back with good reasonings Sonic goes super cuz he's strong enough, tails doesn't because he's not strong enough But with the super emeralds he gets help from the flicks to help him use his super form while sonic gets hyper, knuckles is form is also called protecter of all/Master guardian Sega due to copyright reasons basically stop trying to give others super forms and said female hedgehogs can't go super because they seen and heard of the uni 6 saiyan stuff, my comment will seem confusing so I suggest looking up why does tails need super emeralds to go super
I was referring to the naming conventions used in the Archie Comics. The games clearly utilize the real-world terms "supersonic" and "hypersonic" to showcase the power progression. It's incredibly unlikely that Sega's decision to limit super forms to male hedgehogs is due to copyright issues. If there was a copyright problem, how would they still be able to use Super Sonic at all? Burning Blaze was a thing before DBS. Toei clearly isn't sending them cease and desists over super forms. Tails needing the Super Emeralds is, unless I'm mistaken, never explained in universe, but it's generally understood to be due to his inexperience. He's able to transform with the Chaos Emeralds in Mania, so whatever caveat he faced is rectified.
@@FoneyBone1 everything at the bottom seems likely, and I said female hedgehogs, not any other race in their series, they stop making forms similar to hyper due to it almost being see as if they're taking stuff from them, and see what they/toei did to mark that's likely, irl the creators are very good friends
The weird Sega restrictions on Super Forms started more than a decade before Universe 6 Saiyans became a thing. The 1st Case of it was Sonic Heroes in 2003 with Tails & Knuckles just getting Super Shields rather than full forms. Burning Blaze was a work around using a completely different set of Emeralds. Toei doesn't own Super Saiyans, they just have the animation rights for the Dragonball Franchise. Akira Toriyama is cool with references to his work in other series & there are several examples of it happening. Archie Comics is complicated supposedly Knuckles was naturally in Super Form because of the Master Emerald or something & he turns green when his Chaos Energy is corrupted & overflowing then he just needs the Chaos Emeralds to go Hyper because of the ME.
One ability of hyper sonic you forgot to mention was the hyper flash Which destroys all enemies on screen and gives sonic a double jump basically now the double jump could be a precursor to the boost ability Hyper sonic has SELECTIVE ERASURE he can erase the robotic shells around eggmans robots freeing the animals
Bro, I'm just finding this video now but it was released back on my birthday. lmfao But it's kinda funny how it feels like we've come full circle. The Super Sonic transformation was inspired from the Super Sayian transformation, and then Ultra sonic was a thing before "Ultra instinct Goku" came around decades later.
Didn’t Sonic use all 7 Super emeralds in Archie’s version of Sonic Adventure? And he just became...Super. Though not fully explained, I guess Chaos used most of their power to get Perfect, making their power equivalent to regular emeralds
Hyper Saiyan & Ultra Saiyan would've been way better names than Super Saiyan 2 & Super Saiyan 3. Imagine Super Sonic 2 & Super Sonic 3 instead of hyper & ultra.
#HyperFormRules I like the looks more since it’s more colorful but I like the green one, could’ve liked it to be similar to Master Emerald color (I doubt you’d like it). I wish it came back in Mania Plus (justifying the Encore Special Stage), also having him be able to fly, no get crushed and cliff through the crushing blocks (yee), and being able to destroy Badniks on screen or even through the whole level. I like Hyper this way cause it’s very fun. I see the Hyper form multiplier like this. Each Super Emeralds is as strong as combined 7 Chaos Emeralds maybe even slightly stronger. (multiplier time, yee it doesn’t stop from DB) so random example is the Super form is x60,000,000,000,000 (not actually but only for example) but Hyper could x7 or another x60,000,000,000,000 so. - so 60E12 x7 = 4.2E14 - so 60E12 x60E12 = 3.6E27 I like the 60E12 x60E12 = 3.6E27 as it’s fun.
Honestly when I learned about ultra and hyper sonic after seeing ultra instinct, I said that ultra sonic the incomplete version and hyper is the perfected state
@@daviairthelamyo1245 clearly you're an overprotective Sonic fan you've clearly never heard of how much power Goku has Goku will be able to stomp him with Super Saiyan 2 SMH
@@nicholasbradea5410 As much as i hate to admit, you was right but you were really inaccurate when you said goku would destroy base sonic in super saiyan 2.
Tbh I never had a problem with the ring timer while playing with hyper Sonic. Whenever I play Sonic 3 and Knuckles I always exploit the special stages you get when you cross a checkpoint, because of those I’m literally able to get half a thousand or more rings and just play hyper Sonic the whole stage with no limits… well really the only limit is just playing hyper Sonic so aggressively that he breaks the game and glitches out by phasing through walls, or completely surpassing the speed cap to the point where the environment can’t load where I’m at and everything is just a glitchy mess. Of course to get that certain special stage at each checkpoint you have to cross the checkpoint without taking damage which I’m able to do all the time to the point where hyper Sonic feels like cheating
Someone do an in depth theory of if Sonic can goes super without using the chaos emeralds. I believe he can. *(Had to edit this comment cause I didn't mean what it said previously.)*
I wonder if anyone have ever thought of how sega could've kept hyper sonic in the games (like how they could of put like 12 to a 15 second timer on the form and make a reason for the timer like: its too powerful to be held for long no matter how much its used)
A bit of trivia for those who care. Sonic and Super Sonic both have black eyes in Sonic 3 & Knuckles. On the other hand, Hyper Sonic actually gains green eyes if you look close enough at his sprite. However, that doesn’t carry over in the best ending when we see him pose at the end of the credits. No one has ever brought this up but, his names, Sonic, Super Sonic and Hyper Sonic, are all essentially a play on the real words sonic, supersonic and hypersonic respectively. I know that sounds incredibly redundant but seriously, the very defintion of sonic speed is the speed of sound, supersonic is defined as a speed greater then the speed of sound (specifically mach 5), and hypersonic is defined as a speed GREATER then mach 5, greater then supersonic. That’s one of the reasons why I believe Hyper Sonic is a genius form. It wasn’t JUST a fancy name to give him that was inspired by the Super Saiyan transformation, it was a perfect play on his very name! The Hyper Flash that he emits that destroys all badniks onscreen is actually the ultimate upgrade of the Insta Shield. What the Insta Shield does is basically increase Sonic’s hitbox just a little bit so that he technically doesn’t have to fully touch enemies. It’s very helpful against spiked enemies. and once he turn into Hyper Sonic, instead if a slight increase in his hitbox, it just takes up the entire screen! Another way that the Hyper Flash boosts his abilities is being able to dash in any direction. The Flame Shield, Thunder Shield and Bubble Shield have him boost forwards, double jump and bounce down and back up respectively. Well, the hyperflash not only does ALL of that, but can also send him in all diagonal directions too. On top of cover the Bubble Shield in allowing him to breathe underwater. I personally would’ve liked it better if the Emeralds didn’t have the innate abilities to manipulate Space-Time as it was made to in Sonic Adventures 1, 2 and Sonic 06 and instead ONLY have the ability to enhance the user’s OWN abilities. Along with granting invincibility. Examples would be how not only can the user move faster but in the case of Tails and Knuckles, Tails can fly horizontally faster and Knuckles can climb vertically faster as well. Also, Shadow already demonstrates the ability to teleport short distances and use chaos energy for attacks in carious ways. The Choas Emeralds would just enhance THAT about him! Instead of being only able to teleport a short distance, he can teleport THE ENTIRE BLACK COMET as Super Shadow. However, that would mean Sonic would’ve blown up in Adventure 2 if Sonic wasn’t also able to teleport so oh well.
7:48 It's funny, cuz ultra instinct looks like Megaman.exes hub form, which looks like sonics Hyper sonic form. All 3 characters are broken ASF Megaman even had the Hakai b4 beerus was a thing And Omega zero from the Megaman Zero games was called a "God of destruction" and this was back in the early 2000s
@Dee Giving Yhap I hope the battle network and starforce games get a legacy collection .exe IS a new playable character in X dive, so the love for mega is still there🔥 We did get the zero collection back in february😁
“This is the power of 1 Billion Power Rings.” *it cuts after just 5 minutes* “Oh shit I’m out of time” (spoilers ahead) Goku over there looking at Sonic be like: 😐 Sonic: Ey shut up bro you couldn’t even dodge Granolah’s finger beam while using Mastered Ultra Instinct, and you have a pretty short time limit too it seems long because of anime time bullshit Goku: *I WAS MURDERED!* (a meme, as far as I know he didn’t die in that arc)
The power rings you use to turn into super Sonic or whatever is basically the Kindleling and what ever that's left over the power rings is used to stay in that form each one is drained per minute in that form just to maintain that form acting like a fuse box and a transformer for Sonic so he wouldn't explode.
If hyper sonic was in Archie comics he’ll be probably more powerful than marvel’s the one the above all which is the marvel comics version of God hyper sonic in Archie comics would be truly omnipotent
The thing that interest me the most is that Ultra sonic is that powerful because of a 1 Super Emerald.Imagine Hyper Sonic with all 7Super emeralds.So until we get confirmation who is stronger I will go with ultra sonic because you know he is from the comics
Hyper has 1 way transformation while ultra sonic had 2 way transformations Hyper needs all super emeralds Ultra needs only 1 or can be used by only power rings
Hey buddy, love your content and I just got done watching your "Dragon Ball Super: What the Hell Happened?" video, very good stuff! Unfortunately it was brought to my attention that my art was used without my credit for some of your videos and that leaves a bit of a bad taste in my mouth. Nothing against you as a person, your channel or especially your content as a TH-camr but I'd like for you to credit my work next time, please? Thanks and good luck to you in all future work on your channel!
Hey Juan. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. If you let me know which art it was on which video I will credit you. This has been one of two things. Sometimes I can't find the name of the artist to credit (if you notice in all of my descriptions, I always credit the thumbnail arts) or second, it use to be one of my flaws to use art on DB and Sonic without crediting because I use to think it was fair use with it already being copyrighted characters. BUT... After becoming an artist myself I understand the effort put in so I've changed a lot and always try to credit when I can. So if you can let me know which video it is I'll be more than happy to put you in the description.
I have to disagree with you about not bringing Hyper Sonic back. You see the Sonic series has been degrading some what these years and hasn't really progress much. Plus there are ways to have Hyper Sonic back while not making him seem so overpowered. Like bringing more powerful and dangerous villains and entities like Solaris was. You can still have Hyper Sonic while bringing newer more powerful antagonists and enemies to challenge him in the Sonic series.
For the old Games, Both Sonic 3 and Sonic and Knuckles games had their own set of seven Chaos Emeralds since both games can play on their own, combine the games and you'd have fourteen Chaos Emeralds and that would break any lore the games had so they simply gave you seven Chaos Emeralds and made them become the seven Super Emeralds.
This guy: *giving good arguments and descriptions about these transformations * Me: *ThErE's An UlTrA sOnIc?!?!?* I'm not a fan of the archie comics so I'm just gonna pretend none of these happened or my brain will blow up
Hyper's slept on only because there's a limit to how broken your character should be. DC Comics has broken this rule many times before and regretted it, actively nerfing their characters when it happens. Yeah, that's right, I said DC Comics. Those characters, you know, the ones that always win in Vs. battles unless it's Batman. Those characters have actually reached levels akin to a hypothetical Hyper Sonic and the writers/comic distributors stopped doing it because people started losing interest due to their power eclipsing any kind of possible drama/challenge. Ultra's indeed OP as all hell and broken beyond measure but as we learned with his battle against Wally West, he's not completely invincible. Archie Hyper Sonic would be. No character can win against a character who could just blink his damned eyes and every possible universe/dimension/law/physics/time/space/everything you can think and haven't thought of yet bend to his will. That's basically giving your main character the God Mode cheat code and keeping it on at all times and just like when people see a gamer do this and groan, they'd do the same with an Archie Hyper Sonic. It's not like with, say, Goku learning Ultra Instinct and mastering it. Goku, even with a mastered form such as Ultra Instinct, is nowhere near invincible and this is why people love him so because, even though he always finds a way to win anyways, the path to victory for Goku is one littered in blood, be it his own or those around him. If Archie Sonic ever achieved Hyper then there's no longer a need to ever, EVER feel uncomfortable about something bad happening to him or anyone else around him again. Why? Why would Sonic allow that if he can just tick on God Mode and win? I feel Sonic Mania finally put the nail in this coffin once and for all by showing us that the Super Emeralds are in-fact destroyed. That's basically SEGA/Sonic Team's way of telling us, the viewers: Yes, we know Hyper existed. Yes, we know you want him back but you can't have him back because if you did then you'd break our games in half and it'd no longer really be much fun anymore. Also, it's probably so that we don't have to get 14 goddamned emeralds over and over. Seriously, I adore Hyper as a form and concept but FFFFFFFFFUCK Blue Sphere. GOD damn it. Sorry, that was repressed.
But remember mania is in another dimension separate from the main canon timeline therefore we do not know the true fate on the original universes super emeralds
The Super emeralds are not destroyed in Mania. Those are stone replicas. It's not possible to "destroy" the Super emeralds as they are simply chaos emeralds empowered by the master emerald.
Nah man Archie ultra sonic can miniplate fate and kill hyper sonic Archie turn molecules into air hyper sonic can not do any of that Archie is way stronger than game
Yes, but if Hyper sonic was in the Archie comics, he would be broken, Archie Super Sonic Can already warp reality and turn dreams to reality with chaos control, ultra sonic used 1 super emerald, hyper uses 7, Ultra sonic is stronger, but if Hyper Sonic was in the Archie comics he’d be stronger
@@ele4nt In Archie comics the existance of hyper sonic its imposible. In the event "the great harmony" all the chaos emeralds in the universe (including Super emerald) converged into the Ultimate Chaos Emeralds, but when Sonic used them he does not turn into hyper sonic, but an absurdly powerful Super Sonic. ¡AH! and Ultra Sonic its a pre-super form, there's nothing beyond super sonic (in fact i think that the comic's authors said that)
curious if the chaos emeralds are from past universes all containing unlimited and boundless power. over time, they fuse and before a super emerald and repeats the process again till they turn into a master emerald. our timeline haves the current set of emeralds but one day will join into being a super emerald and the universe starts all over again. each wave showing a hero with boundless potential and only getting stronger.
I havent read the comics in a long time. (they are the best iteration of sonic along with the old school genisis comics.) But if my memory serves me right, during the Xorda stuff and learning of mobious' past, isnt it learned that chaos emeralds are basically each equal to the power/destruction of a nuclear bomb?
I dunno if it has been showed in the comics or somewhere else but, if 1 Super Emerald is enough to turn Super Sonic into Hyper Sonic then, what will happend if he use the 7 ?
I remember seeing hyper in a sonic game like 7 years ago and like 3 years ago i didnt know what it was called and just assumed it was something i dreamed of but then i found out hyper sonic was a real thing
I always thought of a super form being Sonic being able to have access to all the power of the chaos emeralds but not having the ability to wield it correctly and that's why he's glowing and golden because all that excess energy is being bled out into his aura and that's why the power rings allowed Sonic to go ultra because it's the same thing as super except altered so Sonic could metabolize and use 100% of that the power of a single chaos emerald.
Here’s my thoughts - I like to fuse the rules of the different continuities as much as I can. So I like to consider all forms cannon in at least the game universe. I also imagine game Super Sonic could do some of his comic feats, but doesn’t know how to or hasn’t been in the right situations. Anyway, I think one Super Emerald also could have combined rules. So It takes one Super Emerald to become Ultra, & 7 to become Hyper. So Hyper is stronger, but I’m still not sure what the rings have on this. But also, since Ultra doesn’t take on a unique color scheme unless in certain situations, whereas Hyper Sonic’s colors are constantly shifting. In my opinion, A complete “Emerald form chain” from left to right, would go like this : Super - Ultra - Hyper
I feel like Hyper Sonic in Archie would be a complete Ultra form. Ultra would be a taste of the power limited only by Sonic himself, but Hyper would be Super with Ultra’s infinite power and potential
It should've been like a final issue thing. Like only used once
Is their any form stronger than hyper sonic
@@blazeplayz_ytgamer5960 for sonic? Probably not
@@bluenitethewarrior9332 probably use of several master emeralds? Idk
@@blazeplayz_ytgamer5960 ultra sonic
Man, just imagine if there were such a thing as “Ultra Emeralds”...or “Hyper Emeralds”...
I was thinking the same exact thing. The dragon ball multiverse would get their universes rocked
Super Emeralds
Literally Super Emeralds but bigger than galaxies and sits in the middle of the universe and all has infinite energy that can grant Sonic a new form.
SEGA PLEASE.
@@nurielisrael4508 true. can imagine a goku fanboy screaming at you. XD
@@allspagonia3711 I'm ready for em surprised I haven't been crucified
"Erase hyper sonic"
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I think Ultra Sonic did that
Haha that's true!
@@yam9195
Goddammit Sonic
I like to imagine that Hyper Sonic is the stronger form while Ultra is more hax based.
Dunno, that's my little dumb headcanon to be honest.
I think hyper sonic has the hax.
Ultra sonic has feats while hyper is "super but stronger"
While ultra can be analyzed the only thing you can do about hyper is put him a tier higher than super.
@@ahmadkazan7994 hyper sonic is more than just a stronger super sonic, he is way above that level of power and that's saying something due to how powerful and hax super sonic is and is feats and accomplishments. If hyper sonic had more screen time and feats and gameplay playability I say that is sonic most powerful form of all time.
Considering that Hyper is basically the Super version of Ultra, Hyper should have the same hax.
I how see these forms is...
Super Sonic: Harnessing Chaos energy.
Ultra Sonic: Tap into the raw power of Chaos energy.
Hyper Sonic: Becoming one Above the Concept of Chaos energy.
@@lightgivemepower6425 exactly. You are correct.
And here Egghead thought Sonic had a "Limit"
Limit is sonic's trigger word
Limit limit limit limit limit limit limit limit
He breaks his limit
KA KA KA KA KA SEE GOG YO (dragon ball reference)
@@_Tzer stop it you'll scare them-
Sonic: Seizure procedure!
*goes hyper*
TFS reference?
Yes
thing is... seizures isnt hyper sonics only ability in its appearance in s3k
he can erase the shells of the robots around the animals... with hyper flash
he can selectively erase things multiple at a time from a distance..... and thats its game incarnation... if archie had hyper sonic... he would be too powerful...
You kind of point this out, but seven times infinity is still infinity. Super Sonic has basically infinite power. Then what's the point of the others?
The best way to put it is control. Before Ultra Sonic was introduced, Hyper Sonic was basically the 'complete' form of super sonic. There's no powerscaling here, because these forms aren't dragon ball forms. They're narrative climaxes made manifest and enforce their thoughts and wishes through unlimited magical power. The only difference is their scope. Super Sonic is essentially the incomplete version of Ultra Sonic... Super Sonic is physically invincible, but he is vulnerable to chaos manipulation. Knuckles has a connection to the Master Emerald, which can manipulate the source of Super Sonic, and Eggman has been manipulating chaos energy for a long time now, hence pulling the emeralds out of Sonic in Unleashed. Hyper, conceptually, is essentially this, but without those vulnerabilities, and a far broader scope of chaos control.
Where does that leave Ultra Sonic? Well, if I had to take a shot in the dark, Ultra Sonic is basically just a single step up from Super Sonic. A super emerald contains the same amount of power as seven chaos emeralds, so the form is essentially the same, but the upgrade grants Ultra Sonic further power over the world around him. His ability to manipulate his environment is escalated to unparalelled lengths, essentially becoming a god, with a vaguely limited scope.
Conceptually, Hyper Sonic is an actual god. Not like a Dragon Ball god, an actual, capital G God that can enforce his wishes on the world freely. A conceptual archie hyper sonic would be that.
God this comment deserves to be pinned
And I'd read it again
A god not an "actual God" theres only one God
@@samuraixronin4630 Most developed fictional multiverses and real world religions and mythologies disagree with you. Capital G gods exist in lots of places.
That's why Dragon Ball has this issue where they're either guaranteed to win or guaranteed to lose with no real middle because the gods in that series are lowercase g gods. Unless you can actually write and know that crossovers require balancing for the characters to meaningfully interact.
@@Hyperjade1 is there a difference between your imagination of
god,God and GODS ?
infinity is not always the same infinity, there are levels
best way to explain is this:
imagine a 1d line
that line can be as long as you want. it can be infinite. but even if it's infinitely long, it will never be 2d. that infinite 1d line is still nothing compared to anything in 2d. now you can also take that 2d plane and make it infinite. literally infinite. but it will never be 3d. anything 3d is still greater infinity in 2d.
that's why even if the chaos emeralds have infinite power, the super emeralds can be a tier above them and just one super emerald is greater than the infinite power of the 7 chaos emeralds
Just wanted to add that in the Archie Comics "Hyper" forms of Knuckles and Tails are basically just Super Forms and they scale to Super Sonic. Like the one time Super Sonic fought Hyper Knuckles and they were a match.
A short correction for you Hyper Tails is equal to Ultra Sonic its Turbo Tails that equals Super Sonic
@@rynobehnke8289 also true. Geez, the transformation crap in archie is so unnecessarely complicated
@@silvurrrboi230 weird naming scheme
And on top of hyper tails matching ultra sonic, remember hyper sonic was more powerful than hyper tails in the games
Now THIS was something else. I've never dug that deep into the Sonic lore before, so it was a real eye-opener. This was perhaps the most detailed look I ever had at the Archie comics so far, and likewise with the concept of Hyper Sonic. Initially, I was of the belief that Ultra Sonic was stronger for this reason, due to my lack of understanding. He was from the Archie comics where Sonic is generally considered to be stronger than in the games, the name just sounds stronger, and he's not flashing any colors, but rather has an infinity symbol of rings surrounding his chest. Not to mention in the sprite battle between Sonic and The Flash, Ultra Sonic was what brought Sonic out on top, and long story short he made quick work of the scarlet speedster. But after hearing how Sonic requires one super emerald or 1 billion rings to go Ultra, while remembering that he needs all seven to go Hyper (I did know that part), plus all the other stuff you added, now it all makes perfect sense, and I believe you couldn't have put it any better on why we have never seen Hyper Sonic ever again, and probably never should. My latest theory was that if you combined Super Sonic, Hyper Sonic and Ultra Sonic, then Sonic could achieve a form called Perfect Sonic: the final, ultimate demonstration of his true power. Now it is clear to me that that probably isn't necessary, because Hyper Sonic already is that form. :D
“Vegeta, what’s his speed level?”
“ITS OVER 9000!”
Actually, its WAY over 9 thousand, ultra sonic once grabbed water and threw it before physics could react
@@OfficialVCip and now imagine it 7 times stronger 💀💀💀💀💀💀
It's sad Hyper Sonic never appeared after Sonic 3 and Knuckles, I would of loved to see him go against Chaos, Solaris etc.
Hyper Sonic probably would have crushed Solaris almost instantaneous by himself.
If super sonic is strong enough, to defeat a 4D character, then you should imagine hyper sonic
@@random-dt4yz actually it took 3 super hogs....but close enough right?
@@chaoticx360 no, not really.
Solaris is still 4d even if he is omnipresent.
Sonoc needed help because he isn't omnipresent.
If he is powerfull enough to hurt a 4d being, then he is 4d at the very least.
@@sonicmanic2556 No because Solaris is omnipresent and sonic cannot be in 3 timelines at once
A theoretical abilities to add onto the list of ultra for hyper
1. Selective erasure... he can erase stuff in the game with hyper flash multiple AT ONCE
2. negative and positive chaos energy he can use both as he is chaos energy in its purest state not negative not positive but both
3. the ability to power up allies to super level(if super sonic can do this stuff then so can hyper heck he could prolly power em up to ultra or even the dark form... as that is negative chaos energy but its weaker than ultra due to it being less pure)
4. no need to breathe at all
I don’t think he’d turn people into their dark forms unless they’re some angry villain, because the dark form is formed when sonic is basically just releasing his inner “darkness” (god I hate that so much)
@@man-cd6yf Why do people do this respond to year old comments that have nothing to do with them.
@@_Tzer Because they just do, it happens a lot. By the way, I like your ideas for the theoretical abilities.
This was a treat, cause I was just thinking about this idea recently in one of my more out there story ideas. I thought of my own Sonic Universe that uses elements from as much Sonic content, but ultimately its more connected to the games. (Think Post Genesis Archie Sonic)
Eventually he goes through a Spider-Verse crossover. A Sonic-Verse if you will. With Original Archie Sonic being one of them, and stated being stronger, and even mentioned that he is the strongest because of him grabbing the One Billionth Ring, and each universes rules are different depending on how much rings are in the universe. Which explains how 'chaotic' the rules are.
It'll take awhile to explain it all, but basically, everyone teams up against Eggman, then a revelation turns everyone's back on each other and there is an all out war between everyone with many mirror matches. The main event being the Sonic's with the showdown Hyper Sonic vs Ultra Sonic. I thought about how it would go, and I guess I came to a similar conclusion like this video. Ultra Sonic is powerful, but it is merely an extension to Super Sonic, while Hyper is an ascension. Archie Sonic's base is still more powerful, and thus Ultra still is a match against Hyper.
There is more to this, but I'll save that for the Discord Chat. (Unless someone is dying to know more here) But yeah, glad someone made a video on a bonkers idea like this.
My theory:
Hyper sonic in Archie comics is just mastered ultra sonic.
Edit: said this before I saw this scene 14:55
Well ultra sonic is as powerful as a super emerald which could mean that one super emerald in the comics is stronger than seven super emeralds in the games so if Archie were to get all seven unless there’s one in his universe, he would destroy and alternate universe and *POSSIBILY* another dimennsion with a multiverse.
@@ultracommander8368 yup Archie sonic overpowered. They should’ve had him join the tournament of power. But then it would be unfair for everyone else.
@@taydagoldenphoenix we don't know if one super emerald from Archie comics is more powerful than 7 super emeralds from the games that's just headcanon and it wouldn't make any sense. Sega banned hyper sonic from the continuity because he was so op and unfathomably powerful, from using all 7 super emeralds. It's a reason why hyper sonic has never made an appearance ever again because hyper sonic would have no challenge anymore if sonic had continued use with the form. He would destroy everything he come across. No one would be able to stop him because he is too op and broken you can't comprehend it. Hyper Sonic is more powerful than Ultra sonic. We haven't seen what hyper could actually do being in 1 game, if we had more screen time and feats and playability he would be so broken. Its a reason we don't see this transformation anymore he is too op and broken, he is using and channeling the power of 7 super emeralds, you can't write a story around that power sonic would be too broken and he would be a god. They even stopped showing ultra sonic because he is too op and only using the power of 1 super emerald, they had to stop it at 1 super emerald because that's enough and already have infinite power in 1 super emerald, now just imagine all 7 super emeralds he would be one of the most broken characters in existence/fiction and that have ever been made. If they went more in depth with hyper sonic he would be able to solo damn near everything in existence. Sega can't write stories around that. It still has to be interesting.
@@BayScrilla510 yeah true, but they should’ve made hyper sonic at least appear once for fan service and never show him again after that cause it’ll ruin the story.
@@taydagoldenphoenix in dragon ball terms think of ultra sonic as ui sign and hyper sonic as completed and mastered ui. Ultra Sonic is imperfect only using one super emerald and hyper sonic is the complete and mastered form of ultra sonic using seven super emeralds. We don't really know what hyper can really do. We just know its a way more powerful form than super sonic and if you add all of super sonic feats and bring hyper sonic back into the continuity he would've easily bodied and no diff and even one shot a godlike being like Solaris and etc. Hyper Sonic would be too op.
If Hyper Sonic were to be used again, he should appear whenever a being stronger than Super Sonic by a long shot to the point to where he won’t lose with just that.
Well we got something close to that
Starfall Super Sonic?
Didn't expect this topic! But am glad you did it as I love both forms!!!
I like how the intro starts out with "Wanna be Starting Something" by MJ. You got good taste Sayian Scholar
Spoilers
Sonic wins
WOW, you really just gonna spoil me like that? That's evil bro smh
Dr Robotnik Wins!
Dead meme
Bruh Sanic stomps you all.
Technically your correct
I fell like ultra sonic was meant to evolve into hyper sonic in the comics eventually since ultra sonic only ever used 1 super emerald to transform
Edit agree with 14:50
May I ask a question do you believe dragon ball copied the the white hair?
@@allspagonia3711 welp sir im gonna say no first thing is that there are other characters out there who transformations have white hair and secondly the forms are both representing different things
@@The_Mem Intresting outcome this was more of joke but I got a goo answer thx
@@allspagonia3711 Hyper Sonic never had white hair, the only reason people was so coats hyper with white hair is because of game renders and because it would maybe look ugly to draw with in rainbow color
@@papyrusgaming4820 Bro I made that comment a week ago and as a joke the guy I asked already gave a valid answer so uhm yeah...
I think we can guage a hypothetical current Game Hyper Sonic. Super Sonic's highest peak in games was in 06. He shared his power to make him, Shadow, and Silver into their Super selfs. Solaris's very exsistence was destroying all of time and space, this would include Maginary World from Sonic Shuffle where every dream was a universe. We don't know how long this place exsisted but it would make no sense to say it only has exsisted since Sonic itself has. For all we know this could have been since the beginning of time and Solaris coming into exsistence destroyed this. There would be beyong Quintillions of universes considering we have humans and humanoid animals and other dimensions like Blaze's in the Sonic Multiverse. Each Super defeated a Solaris in a different time period and destroyed his armor which tanked the Multiverse's destruction with no scratches yet Super Sonic and also Super Shadow and Super Silver could completely destroy said armor. Sonic asorbed this mich power without any strain since Sonic has used what he's needed for his Super form since we don't know how much he can take from the Infinite power let's just say that this was his max. One Super Emerald makes Super Sonic in the game meaning Hyper Sonic could be 7× of Game Super Sonic who could take in 3x the power of Solaris, arguably making Hyper Sonic 21× the power of Solaris. This is broken considering current Sonic would still have Space-Time manipulation via Chaos Control.
Hyper Sonic must be the most op character ever made hands down; his power and stamina are limitless, a single jump and bam, everyone around him goes boom... An now we have Ultra Sonic?
Darn, if the two of them were to face each other, the universe would collapse, and anything beyond that would be toast.
Actually hyper sonic use 7 super emerald and ultra sonic use 1 super emerald i am think hyper sonic win
If you mean in the Sonic Franchise, then yes.
But there are other franchises where there is an omnipotent being.
And I don't mean those characters who claim to be omnipotent like Darkseid, I mean actual omnipotent characters, like The One Above All from Marvel (basically Marvel God)
@Divuv X You might be right.
But this video is giving us an interesting idea.
Hyper Sonic is a video game character. Heavily limited by gameplay mechanics.
Super Sonic is also heavily limited by gameplay mechanics. In cutscenes, he can use Chaos Control, fly anywhere, purify negative energy, etc.
In gameplay, we are just invincible. That’s it, no extra abilities.
Even if Ultra Sonic existed in the games, we wouldn’t be able to use his powers. In gameplay, he would just be invincible.
So, what if Hyper Sonic existed in the comics? What if he wasn’t limited by gameplay mechanics?
Logically, he should be capable of doing anything Ultra Sonic can, but better.
@@Disvordy game super emeralds are different from comics
@Jason black Yes, but if we were comparing a version of Hyper Sonic from the comics to Ultra Sonic, he would be significantly more powerful. It's common knowledge that Archie Sonic is much more powerful than game Sonic, but a comic version of Hyper Sonic would be above Ultra Sonic.
I have never clicked on a video so fast before.
Enjoy!
Ikr? I clicked at Super Sonic speed.
Thanks for this! Been looking for an answer of some sort.
If hyper was in archie, then I would be pretty sure that he would be omnipotent.
Absolutely because
Ultra sonic: using the power 1 super emerald
Hyper sonic: using the power of 7 super emeralds and *possibly* some power from the master emerald
People don't get seizures from looking at ultra sonic tho
🤣🤣
Dark
Says Rainbow Vader
That just means hyper is the strongest
You didn't have to do us like that.
The only way to make Hyper Sonic truly unkillable is if you make him withstand being crushed, make him unable to die from bottomless pits, and survive the 10 minute limit
Awesome video man!!!!!
That makes a lot of sense actually! Thanks man
I literally was looking for a “hyper sonic vs ultra sonic” video like 2 days ago....thank you. My biased of the comics had me thinking it was Ultra Sonic....butcha can’t beat logic 🤷🏾♂️
We could also consider the feats of Super Sonic in the games and hypothesize what Hyper Sonic’s power would be based on that.
I feel that Hyper Sonic would have wrecked both Solaris and the Egg Wizard alone.
Exactly and Hyper Sonic would solo both Solaris and Egg Wizard alone. He would one shot them, thats how powerful hyper sonic would be especially since hyper sonic is the power of all 7 chaos emeralds, 7 Super Emeralds, powered by the Master Emerald and each step he takes leaves after images even when he walks and you add in all the feats Super Sonic accomplished, hyper sonic would be a literal god and he would one shot everything and have no challenge. Sega didn't bring him back just because of that, it would be too hard to write stories around that godlike power and super sonic is godlike in power too, so imagine hyper sonic if sonic had access to that form normally, you wouldn't be able to write any stories for sonic anymore. He would be beyond op. Facts.
7:51-7:55 Technically, sustaining his form depends on how much power he uses. Light use of his power, he can stay in his Ultra Form for a while longer. Heavy use of his power can result in a near instantaneous regression back into his regular base state.
Think of it as being on adrenaline.
This is a great explanation 👍🏾
Maybe I missed what was said here but Super Sonic can also access the Doomsday Zone. You just have to avoid activating the super emeralds.
Have you done a video dissecting all of the different types of power items in the Sonic series? Like the Emeralds (Chaos/Super/Sol), the Chaos Rings and the Time Stones?
Huh, I did not expect this, but it makes total sense!
Smashed the like button Saiyan Scholar 👍
4:50-5:07 Well Tails did absorb the entirety of the Chaos Force, so there's that.
I think of it like this
Hyper: Stronger in terms of raw power
Ultra: Weaker in terms of raw power but can manipulate atoms
So each form has its uses.
Well Super Sonic resisted Enerjak's reality hax so... I think Hyper can resist whatever Ultra's got.
Yea
If hyper was in the archie comics, and was the complete and full power version of ultra sonic, then he would have all of his abilities from ultra enhanced many times over, along with greater speed and physical strength
This is a very good video also i have a question what is the fan game at 11:29
Tails' form being called hyper is clearly just to give him a different name. Just like how his super form is inexplicably called turbo and Knuckles' is called hyper, there's no hidden meaning behind the names.
If you're scaling Ultra above Super due to him "progressing" why don't you do the same for Hyper? Due to the nature of the game Super Emeralds, he would scale above all of game Super Sonic's feats.
Comparing a What If? version of Hyper is kind of pointless for discussion, especially when Sonic did use all seven Super Emeralds in issue 83, rendering the entire idea of this hypothetical Archie Hyper Sonic moot.
Actually someone went into depth about the names and came back with good reasonings
Sonic goes super cuz he's strong enough, tails doesn't because he's not strong enough
But with the super emeralds he gets help from the flicks to help him use his super form while sonic gets hyper, knuckles is form is also called protecter of all/Master guardian
Sega due to copyright reasons basically stop trying to give others super forms and said female hedgehogs can't go super because they seen and heard of the uni 6 saiyan stuff, my comment will seem confusing so I suggest looking up why does tails need super emeralds to go super
I was referring to the naming conventions used in the Archie Comics. The games clearly utilize the real-world terms "supersonic" and "hypersonic" to showcase the power progression.
It's incredibly unlikely that Sega's decision to limit super forms to male hedgehogs is due to copyright issues. If there was a copyright problem, how would they still be able to use Super Sonic at all? Burning Blaze was a thing before DBS. Toei clearly isn't sending them cease and desists over super forms.
Tails needing the Super Emeralds is, unless I'm mistaken, never explained in universe, but it's generally understood to be due to his inexperience. He's able to transform with the Chaos Emeralds in Mania, so whatever caveat he faced is rectified.
@@FoneyBone1 everything at the bottom seems likely, and I said female hedgehogs, not any other race in their series, they stop making forms similar to hyper due to it almost being see as if they're taking stuff from them, and see what they/toei did to mark that's likely, irl the creators are very good friends
The weird Sega restrictions on Super Forms started more than a decade before Universe 6 Saiyans became a thing. The 1st Case of it was Sonic Heroes in 2003 with Tails & Knuckles just getting Super Shields rather than full forms. Burning Blaze was a work around using a completely different set of Emeralds. Toei doesn't own Super Saiyans, they just have the animation rights for the Dragonball Franchise. Akira Toriyama is cool with references to his work in other series & there are several examples of it happening. Archie Comics is complicated supposedly Knuckles was naturally in Super Form because of the Master Emerald or something & he turns green when his Chaos Energy is corrupted & overflowing then he just needs the Chaos Emeralds to go Hyper because of the ME.
He only used one?
One ability of hyper sonic you forgot to mention was the hyper flash Which destroys all enemies on screen and gives sonic a double jump basically now the double jump could be a precursor to the boost ability Hyper sonic has SELECTIVE ERASURE he can erase the robotic shells around eggmans robots freeing the animals
🦔 + 💎= EPICNESS ⚡️
I love how you used the UI and MUI analogy
Bro, I'm just finding this video now but it was released back on my birthday. lmfao
But it's kinda funny how it feels like we've come full circle.
The Super Sonic transformation was inspired from the Super Sayian transformation, and then Ultra sonic was a thing before "Ultra instinct Goku" came around decades later.
Didn’t Sonic use all 7 Super emeralds in Archie’s version of Sonic Adventure? And he just became...Super. Though not fully explained, I guess Chaos used most of their power to get Perfect, making their power equivalent to regular emeralds
wdym
Yes, but this guy ignores that and the great armoni event (i don't even reed the all comic)
Hyper Saiyan & Ultra Saiyan would've been way better names than Super Saiyan 2 & Super Saiyan 3. Imagine Super Sonic 2 & Super Sonic 3 instead of hyper & ultra.
Ask spain with their "ultra guerrero" and "mega guererrero"
@elsonicvenezolano At least it ain't just "two" & "three".
I’m a fan of both bro they are already awesome⚡️🔥💎👑
nice vid!
Thanks man!
I'm just glad that Archie Sonic in general is getting the recognition it deserves. The series shouldn't have been cancelled the way it did.
Blame bitch ass ken penders
#HyperFormRules
I like the looks more since it’s more colorful but I like the green one, could’ve liked it to be similar to Master Emerald color (I doubt you’d like it).
I wish it came back in Mania Plus (justifying the Encore Special Stage), also having him be able to fly, no get crushed and cliff through the crushing blocks (yee), and being able to destroy Badniks on screen or even through the whole level.
I like Hyper this way cause it’s very fun.
I see the Hyper form multiplier like this.
Each Super Emeralds is as strong as combined 7 Chaos Emeralds maybe even slightly stronger.
(multiplier time, yee it doesn’t stop from DB) so random example is the Super form is x60,000,000,000,000 (not actually but only for example) but Hyper could x7 or another x60,000,000,000,000 so.
- so 60E12 x7 = 4.2E14
- so 60E12 x60E12 = 3.6E27
I like the 60E12 x60E12 = 3.6E27 as it’s fun.
I would feel like if ultra sonic was in a game he wouldnt leave afterimages or breathe underwater but he can do a weaker hyper flash
And this is why the Games are better than the Comics.
Honestly when I learned about ultra and hyper sonic after seeing ultra instinct, I said that ultra sonic the incomplete version and hyper is the perfected state
Mui goku:we even now?
Hyper sonic:yes.
Hyper would of destroyed mui, it will only take game super sonic to defeat mui mastered goku.
that's not what I mean by even
by even,I mean sonic "stole" super saiyan from goku
and goku "stole" ultra and hyper from sonic
@@daviairthelamyo1245 clearly you're an overprotective Sonic fan you've clearly never heard of how much power Goku has Goku will be able to stomp him with Super Saiyan 2 SMH
@@nicholasbradea5410 As much as i hate to admit, you was right but you were really inaccurate when you said goku would destroy base sonic in super saiyan 2.
What was the 2D boost game you were playing?
Tbh I never had a problem with the ring timer while playing with hyper Sonic. Whenever I play Sonic 3 and Knuckles I always exploit the special stages you get when you cross a checkpoint, because of those I’m literally able to get half a thousand or more rings and just play hyper Sonic the whole stage with no limits… well really the only limit is just playing hyper Sonic so aggressively that he breaks the game and glitches out by phasing through walls, or completely surpassing the speed cap to the point where the environment can’t load where I’m at and everything is just a glitchy mess. Of course to get that certain special stage at each checkpoint you have to cross the checkpoint without taking damage which I’m able to do all the time to the point where hyper Sonic feels like cheating
Someone do an in depth theory of if Sonic can goes super without using the chaos emeralds.
I believe he can.
*(Had to edit this comment cause I didn't mean what it said previously.)*
I wonder if anyone have ever thought of how sega could've kept hyper sonic in the games
(like how they could of put like 12 to a 15 second timer on the form and make a reason for the timer like: its too powerful to be held for long no matter how much its used)
That would be too short, it should be like a extra thing you can unlock.
Nice stuff but soon there'll be an even stronger one when they find to make a better one
A bit of trivia for those who care.
Sonic and Super Sonic both have black eyes in Sonic 3 & Knuckles. On the other hand, Hyper Sonic actually gains green eyes if you look close enough at his sprite. However, that doesn’t carry over in the best ending when we see him pose at the end of the credits.
No one has ever brought this up but, his names, Sonic, Super Sonic and Hyper Sonic, are all essentially a play on the real words sonic, supersonic and hypersonic respectively. I know that sounds incredibly redundant but seriously, the very defintion of sonic speed is the speed of sound, supersonic is defined as a speed greater then the speed of sound (specifically mach 5), and hypersonic is defined as a speed GREATER then mach 5, greater then supersonic.
That’s one of the reasons why I believe Hyper Sonic is a genius form. It wasn’t JUST a fancy name to give him that was inspired by the Super Saiyan transformation, it was a perfect play on his very name!
The Hyper Flash that he emits that destroys all badniks onscreen is actually the ultimate upgrade of the Insta Shield. What the Insta Shield does is basically increase Sonic’s hitbox just a little bit so that he technically doesn’t have to fully touch enemies. It’s very helpful against spiked enemies. and once he turn into Hyper Sonic, instead if a slight increase in his hitbox, it just takes up the entire screen!
Another way that the Hyper Flash boosts his abilities is being able to dash in any direction. The Flame Shield, Thunder Shield and Bubble Shield have him boost forwards, double jump and bounce down and back up respectively. Well, the hyperflash not only does ALL of that, but can also send him in all diagonal directions too. On top of cover the Bubble Shield in allowing him to breathe underwater.
I personally would’ve liked it better if the Emeralds didn’t have the innate abilities to manipulate Space-Time as it was made to in Sonic Adventures 1, 2 and Sonic 06 and instead ONLY have the ability to enhance the user’s OWN abilities. Along with granting invincibility.
Examples would be how not only can the user move faster but in the case of Tails and Knuckles, Tails can fly horizontally faster and Knuckles can climb vertically faster as well. Also, Shadow already demonstrates the ability to teleport short distances and use chaos energy for attacks in carious ways. The Choas Emeralds would just enhance THAT about him! Instead of being only able to teleport a short distance, he can teleport THE ENTIRE BLACK COMET as Super Shadow. However, that would mean Sonic would’ve blown up in Adventure 2 if Sonic wasn’t also able to teleport so oh well.
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It's funny, cuz ultra instinct looks like Megaman.exes hub form, which looks like sonics Hyper sonic form.
All 3 characters are broken ASF
Megaman even had the Hakai b4 beerus was a thing
And Omega zero from the Megaman Zero games was called a "God of destruction" and this was back in the early 2000s
@Dee Giving
Yhap
I hope the battle network and starforce games get a legacy collection
.exe IS a new playable character in X dive, so the love for mega is still there🔥
We did get the zero collection back in february😁
@Dee Giving
Lol true
Technically if Hyper Sonic was put in Archie law then Hyper would still remain the abilities of Ultra Sonic but being 7 TIMES MORE POWERFUL!!!
and 49times Stronger than super Sonic
Do I hear Yuzoboy in the background?
A man of culture as well I see.
Wait, which game was that in the background besides Sonic 3 and Knuckles??
It looked powerful to play with the Hyper form
I subscribed but I couldn't spin dash it tho 😔
Thanks man!!
@@SaiyanScholar just wanna say that tails needs super emaralds to go super in S3 &K so ultra would go above hyper
@@leg4ci242 yeah about that
“This is the power of 1 Billion Power Rings.”
*it cuts after just 5 minutes*
“Oh shit I’m out of time”
(spoilers ahead)
Goku over there looking at Sonic be like: 😐
Sonic: Ey shut up bro you couldn’t even dodge Granolah’s finger beam while using Mastered Ultra Instinct, and you have a pretty short time limit too it seems long because of anime time bullshit
Goku: *I WAS MURDERED!* (a meme, as far as I know he didn’t die in that arc)
I get the feeling Goku'd be more like 'oh, that happens for you too?'
@@LordTyph “First Time?”
What are the two fan games shown in this video? They look fantastic, especially the 2D one.
Sonic Dimensions
The power rings you use to turn into super Sonic or whatever is basically the Kindleling and what ever that's left over the power rings is used to stay in that form each one is drained per minute in that form just to maintain that form acting like a fuse box and a transformer for Sonic so he wouldn't explode.
If hyper sonic was in Archie comics he’ll be probably more powerful than marvel’s the one the above all which is the marvel comics version of God hyper sonic in Archie comics would be truly omnipotent
The thing that interest me the most is that Ultra sonic is that powerful because of a 1 Super Emerald.Imagine Hyper Sonic with all 7Super emeralds.So until we get confirmation who is stronger I will go with ultra sonic because you know he is from the comics
Hyper Sonic is the result of all 7 super emeralds. Ultra Sonic is only 1 super emerald. Hyper Sonic is clearly stronger than Ultra. You do the math.
I stick with ultra why he manipulate stuff hyper cant do hmm 7 super emeralds would be a diffrent hyper not this one with 7 chsis emeralds
@@kriegermaria9923 1 super emerald gains ultra sonic all that hax, hyper sonic would outclass it in immunity and more stronger hax
This is something I gotta see
You should probably do what your thoughts on the Archie and IDW Comics of Sonic.
IDW sonic prob is after sonic Forces sonic
but Sega just let it non canon
yeah that makes sense Archie sonic used 1 super emerald but archie hyper sonic is OP
Hyper has 1 way transformation while ultra sonic had 2 way transformations
Hyper needs all super emeralds
Ultra needs only 1 or can be used by only power rings
I hope you do one on Solaris and Earth 616 Spider-Man sometime soon
He doesn't seem to be that interested in doing Marvel videos to me.
Hey buddy, love your content and I just got done watching your "Dragon Ball Super: What the Hell Happened?" video, very good stuff!
Unfortunately it was brought to my attention that my art was used without my credit for some of your videos and that leaves a bit of a bad taste in my mouth. Nothing against you as a person, your channel or especially your content as a TH-camr but I'd like for you to credit my work next time, please?
Thanks and good luck to you in all future work on your channel!
Hey Juan. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. If you let me know which art it was on which video I will credit you. This has been one of two things. Sometimes I can't find the name of the artist to credit (if you notice in all of my descriptions, I always credit the thumbnail arts) or second, it use to be one of my flaws to use art on DB and Sonic without crediting because I use to think it was fair use with it already being copyrighted characters. BUT... After becoming an artist myself I understand the effort put in so I've changed a lot and always try to credit when I can.
So if you can let me know which video it is I'll be more than happy to put you in the description.
I have to disagree with you about not bringing Hyper Sonic back. You see the Sonic series has been degrading some what these years and hasn't really progress much. Plus there are ways to have Hyper Sonic back while not making him seem so overpowered. Like bringing more powerful and dangerous villains and entities like Solaris was. You can still have Hyper Sonic while bringing newer more powerful antagonists and enemies to challenge him in the Sonic series.
So, DragonBall then?
@@TheFluBugZ Did you read the comment?
@@Sakurai710 no thats pretty much what happens in dragon ball
@@Chaosflower You can say that's pretty much what happens in every action show/anime.
@@Sakurai710 it is I was just saying that is legit what happens in db Naruto bleach and mha
U really wanna be startin something with that intro😂
Me personally b4 watching I'd say it's a draw.
It's a difficult one to compare!
@@SaiyanScholar
Yeah, but I'd say u did a great job of it👍🏽
What Sonic Adventure type game is that at 12:11? Everyone is asking about the 2D one but nobody in the comments has answered for the 3D one
For the old Games, Both Sonic 3 and Sonic and Knuckles games had their own set of seven Chaos Emeralds since both games can play on their own, combine the games and you'd have fourteen Chaos Emeralds and that would break any lore the games had so they simply gave you seven Chaos Emeralds and made them become the seven Super Emeralds.
Yo, what fangame is he playing at 11:20? That looks awesome.
Sonic Dimmensions
This guy: *giving good arguments and descriptions about these transformations *
Me: *ThErE's An UlTrA sOnIc?!?!?*
I'm not a fan of the archie comics so I'm just gonna pretend none of these happened or my brain will blow up
What is the 2d sonic game playing in the background at the end? Beyond the speed?
We need more sonic content
Hyper's slept on only because there's a limit to how broken your character should be. DC Comics has broken this rule many times before and regretted it, actively nerfing their characters when it happens. Yeah, that's right, I said DC Comics. Those characters, you know, the ones that always win in Vs. battles unless it's Batman. Those characters have actually reached levels akin to a hypothetical Hyper Sonic and the writers/comic distributors stopped doing it because people started losing interest due to their power eclipsing any kind of possible drama/challenge.
Ultra's indeed OP as all hell and broken beyond measure but as we learned with his battle against Wally West, he's not completely invincible. Archie Hyper Sonic would be. No character can win against a character who could just blink his damned eyes and every possible universe/dimension/law/physics/time/space/everything you can think and haven't thought of yet bend to his will. That's basically giving your main character the God Mode cheat code and keeping it on at all times and just like when people see a gamer do this and groan, they'd do the same with an Archie Hyper Sonic.
It's not like with, say, Goku learning Ultra Instinct and mastering it. Goku, even with a mastered form such as Ultra Instinct, is nowhere near invincible and this is why people love him so because, even though he always finds a way to win anyways, the path to victory for Goku is one littered in blood, be it his own or those around him. If Archie Sonic ever achieved Hyper then there's no longer a need to ever, EVER feel uncomfortable about something bad happening to him or anyone else around him again. Why? Why would Sonic allow that if he can just tick on God Mode and win?
I feel Sonic Mania finally put the nail in this coffin once and for all by showing us that the Super Emeralds are in-fact destroyed. That's basically SEGA/Sonic Team's way of telling us, the viewers: Yes, we know Hyper existed. Yes, we know you want him back but you can't have him back because if you did then you'd break our games in half and it'd no longer really be much fun anymore. Also, it's probably so that we don't have to get 14 goddamned emeralds over and over. Seriously, I adore Hyper as a form and concept but FFFFFFFFFUCK Blue Sphere. GOD damn it. Sorry, that was repressed.
But remember mania is in another dimension separate from the main canon timeline therefore we do not know the true fate on the original universes super emeralds
The Super emeralds are not destroyed in Mania. Those are stone replicas. It's not possible to "destroy" the Super emeralds as they are simply chaos emeralds empowered by the master emerald.
Nah man Archie ultra sonic can miniplate fate and kill hyper sonic Archie turn molecules into air hyper sonic can not do any of that Archie is way stronger than game
Yes, but if Hyper sonic was in the Archie comics, he would be broken, Archie Super Sonic Can already warp reality and turn dreams to reality with chaos control, ultra sonic used 1 super emerald, hyper uses 7, Ultra sonic is stronger, but if Hyper Sonic was in the Archie comics he’d be stronger
@@ele4nt oh ok 👌🏽
But overall ultra is stronger
@@ele4nt In Archie comics the existance of hyper sonic its imposible. In the event "the great harmony" all the chaos emeralds in the universe (including Super emerald) converged into the Ultimate Chaos Emeralds, but when Sonic used them he does not turn into hyper sonic, but an absurdly powerful Super Sonic. ¡AH! and Ultra Sonic its a pre-super form, there's nothing beyond super sonic (in fact i think that the comic's authors said that)
@@AgustinHaacker1026 oh, I don’t read the Archie comics, so thanks for the info
Imagine combining the two forms together that would be so awesome if u do that no one can be him dc or meme lmao
curious if the chaos emeralds are from past universes all containing unlimited and boundless power. over time, they fuse and before a super emerald and repeats the process again till they turn into a master emerald. our timeline haves the current set of emeralds but one day will join into being a super emerald and the universe starts all over again. each wave showing a hero with boundless potential and only getting stronger.
At 11:20 what sonic game is that? I would love to play that game and have both super & hyper sonic as playable characters
I havent read the comics in a long time. (they are the best iteration of sonic along with the old school genisis comics.) But if my memory serves me right, during the Xorda stuff and learning of mobious' past, isnt it learned that chaos emeralds are basically each equal to the power/destruction of a nuclear bomb?
So what do you think about Wally West Flash defeating Ultra Sonic in Death Battle?
what game is the one that looks like Advance? I wanna try it out
what was that sonic game on the background playing in the last scene in the vidoe that transforms into super then hyber?
the 2d one
I dunno if it has been showed in the comics or somewhere else but, if 1 Super Emerald is enough to turn Super Sonic into Hyper Sonic then, what will happend if he use the 7 ?
Name Games
11:07 Sonic dimensions
12:20 Green Hills Pradice act 2
I remember seeing hyper in a sonic game like 7 years ago and like 3 years ago i didnt know what it was called and just assumed it was something i dreamed of but then i found out hyper sonic was a real thing
You forgot to talk about the Death Battle (Mario vs. Sonic reboot & Third Flash vs. Archie Sonic).
I always thought of a super form being Sonic being able to have access to all the power of the chaos emeralds but not having the ability to wield it correctly and that's why he's glowing and golden because all that excess energy is being bled out into his aura and that's why the power rings allowed Sonic to go ultra because it's the same thing as super except altered so Sonic could metabolize and use 100% of that the power of a single chaos emerald.
Here’s my thoughts - I like to fuse the rules of the different continuities as much as I can. So I like to consider all forms cannon in at least the game universe. I also imagine game Super Sonic could do some of his comic feats, but doesn’t know how to or hasn’t been in the right situations. Anyway, I think one Super Emerald also could have combined rules. So It takes one Super Emerald to become Ultra, & 7 to become Hyper. So Hyper is stronger, but I’m still not sure what the rings have on this. But also, since Ultra doesn’t take on a unique color scheme unless in certain situations, whereas Hyper Sonic’s colors are constantly shifting.
In my opinion, A complete “Emerald form chain” from left to right, would go like this :
Super - Ultra - Hyper
What was that Sonic Rush-esque fangame at 14:50?
sonic dimensions