I'm waiting for Hatred 2, where its revealed that the events in the first game is nothing more than a sick dream of the protaganist, which ends up making him re-evaluate his want and need to kill, and he eventually seeks theropy and learns to golf to vent his frustrations.
That was a really solid review. And your point about the violence reminds me of an interesting study on violence in the media which I read back in the mid-to-late 2000s -- it took quotes from film critics on things like the "Kill Bill" or "Saw" films and juxtaposed them with the same critics' quotes about films like "The Passion of the Christ". In nearly every case, the reviewers huffed and snarled about how the latter were "torture-porn" and too bloody and unnecessarily gruesome...while at the same time praising those very same elements when featured in films like "Kill Bill", "Saw", etc. They would decry one film for its stylized violence, then praise another for the very same thing. The dividing line seemed to be that they saw "Kill Bill", "Saw", etc. as "fun" and that "fun" justified the violence in a way that something like "The Passion of the Christ" didn't. Which is probably another reason why over-the-top murders and gore in "Dead Space" or "Mortal Kombat" gets a pass, while the less vioent, less gory "Hatred" gets slammed.
+Awakeandalive1 one thing you didn't consider is the impact both "The Passion of the Christ" aswell as "Hatred" could have on people compared to more stylized violence like in "Kill Bill" or "Mortal Kombat". I think the difference is the connection to reality. For many people the stories from the Bible are historic facts, so what critics could have in mind is the potential hatred towards Jews a movie like that could create. While it is less probable that someone might connect the events from a movie like "Kill Bill" to reality. It could be similar for "Hatred". There were actually alot of real life killing sprees within the last two decades and a thing all those people had in common was hatred towards a specific group of people or "the world" as a whole. Which is exactly what "Hatred" presents as main motivation in the intro. While a game like "Mortal Kombat" features nonhuman figures and magic and doesn't directly relate to anything existent in reality. Don't take me wrong, I'm all against putting any of those games or movies on the index, in fact I hate it when games aren't available on Steam or are altered in weird ways and, when living in Germany for example (we're really good at censoring games and movies for violence and gore just like the US are when it comes to nudity), you're basically forced to get them illegally. I'm just trying to understand the double standards described by you and I think I got a valid point.
passion of the christ, based on a myth of an immoral religion, was entirely just torture porn. was there a story? nope not really, was just constant torture.
@Ahmad and skeleton I believe because it was released during the time when mass shootings are commonplace. Hotline Miami was released slightly before and has a slightly humorous and bizarre tone.
I believe it’s because Hotline Miami feels like a fever dream, the premise of the game often involves characters not seeing the world as it truly is (one way or another). But instead an exaggerated, trippy, iteration of it.
Pretty much every game except the Batman Arkham games (because you play as Batman, so *can't* kill people, obviously) is a mass murder simulator. Well, games people care about. There are sports games and stuff, I guess.
Mortal Kombat and Dead Space were a lot more gory, but it was over the top nonsense violents that usually is more funny than shocking. The scenes in Hatred were more reallistic, that ment that it hit closer to home for people. Also a person going around killing everyone with a gun is somthing that seems to actually happen in real life, the media has yet to report on superhumans and mutants ripping each other in half in a death fight. or space creatures slicing people into pieces.
True, but holding down innocent civilans and cops and stabing them, or blowing thier brains out, is somthing that seems to be more grounded in reality. riping a persons head off with bare hands after freezing them, not so much.
If you played the game you are not blowing their brains out there's barely a spurt of blood and so what if its more towards at the end of the day its a game.
Mic Geeboon I agree with your original statement. This game may not be as "violent" as Mortal Kombat and Dead Space but it is much more disturbing. The fact that a person can kill so willingly and that a life can end so easily is much more mortifying than seeing someone ripped apart. Anyhow, not a fan of the games premise, but I don't hold a grudge on it. Just not for me.
Seriously man, that awesome headbangin' hair is clearly a positive too. The black and white visuals are really interesting, a bit like MadWorld for the Wii, but I feel like it's used a lot more creatively here. Great Video anyway man, cheers!
Having played this, Postal 2 is a lot better, at least it has an (admittedly, pretty juvenile) sense of humor, I really don't get why sites like Polygon hyped this game so much. Good video though, I love this series.
My positive about this game: It's a game where you can roleplay. For example, you play the game, and then you make up your own story, as there isn't any in the game. Because of this, let your imagination go with it. Say like, you made a story, where there's a former chef that tries to kill everyone because they don't like your food, or you're playing as a crazy man that tries to kill everyone in the city, because you're trying to find answers for why the world's ran out of cartons of milk, and threatening everyone to tell him why, or he'll blow up the entire place.
+Questklonoa I feel like there are plenty more games that are far better in terms of gameplay that are more fun to roleplay to. One of the better examples I can think of is Terraria.
What I find so interesting about GTA is unlike Hatred you are never actually told to go on a rampage and kill loads of innocent people, the player just does it because they want to.
Lucas N Lol, it's not different from hatred by any means. In hatred the only objective is to kill people, in other games you don't need to kill random people but you CHOOSE TO DO SO ANYWAYS by your own free will
***** They made a mistake in saying "it's not different" when they really meant something like "it's worse that people choose to kill in a game where they don't have to than kill people in a game where that is the objective."
what makes killing a homeless person worse than a regular person? really, what makes killing a kid worse than killing an adult. you're still taking someones life. it doesnt matter how much they have lived.
Steve Compton I think in the case of the kid, it is due to their relative innocence compared to an adult. Each adult that you kill in the game, you can probably justify a reason in your head why they deserved it, but not a kid. As far as the homeless, it's probably because they have it shitty already and getting killed by a murdering psychopath is the cherry on top.
Why is killing homeless people comparable to killing children? That just sounds kind of insulting to the homeless - like they wouldn't be able to stand the chance that a middle-income adult would. They're a vulnerable group in society, but it's not like they'd be more emotionally affecting to kill or anything.
@@timorlebzo638 It's been years but I think I meant to say something like "it's infantilizing homeless people" in a way. Also saying you're putting them out of their misery is a pretty shitty thing to say.
The way the character executes the people makes you feel like he truly has no fucks given about the life he's taking. Mortal kombat and dead space draw it out, add weight too it. They really show " hey Jason really destroyed you this match." Or " man you shouldn't have let that monster do this to you, but now you gotta pay" hatred shows how efficient and nonchalant he is about life. He kills with no care in the world. You barely know when you're killing somebody because he's not excited about it. He doesn't care because he has no feeling. He does what he does and that's it. It's well designed but gives no real value other than mindless slaughter. Tearing your opponent to shreds in MK or getting destroyed and feeling absolutely powerless in Dead Space at least has value artistically. This is just a bleak murder spree with no redeeming value.
I kinda disagree with your point on the violence. The reason people were more shocked about hatred than the other two was that the other two were over the top in their gore, but Hatred was more realistic in how brutal it was and how the npcs reacted.
yeah, I guess you guys put up a good point. It certainly can't help that you're playing as a serial killer the whole time either. Not like a silly kinda thing like postal, this game took itself seriously.
+Sonli Rain Yup, the original Postal was just as violent and just as criticized when it came out originally. I remember it being a really big issue at the time.
I do agree with Positive #1 with the visuals. I think they're very well designed. But, can I just say that the protagonist just looks like he needs a shower like seriously dude.
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I think the level of violence in this game actually works against it, as in it's not violent enough. I should feel horrified every time, but I dont, the death animations look like something out of a movie, and thats not good if you're going for shocking. You should feel worse than you do. But A for effort I guess.
I slightly disagree with what you said about the main character's appreciation to media. Looking at the footage you had of the game, it looked like the only specks of colour were sources of light - TVs, gas station signs, a vending machine, fire and so on. I don't know if its meant to symbolise him trying to find his guiding light or what, but the media thing just doesn't seem like it fits the big picture on its own.
You saved my skyrocketing eyebrow with that parenthesized jeer Shane ;) Good job mate! I'm still willing to buy it, once it gets below £5 mark to make my own judgement.
I think the difference between this game and MK is that in MK the violence is gory, but almost comical... it's so violent that is like a parody of violence... in other hand, Hatred present a kind of violence realistic, people die if they got shot in the head, their head maybe explode or open... and as you say... there is no plot to justify the death of people... so is just like those Shock games of early 2000 but with better grafics and physics
I liked this review... it's an interesting point of view, and every positive mentioned is grounded. Plus, it's a fresh review, unlike every other review on the internet that only focus on the meaningless violence and controversy. Good video, Shane!
One other positive is that Hatred's success (from a sales standpoint,anyway) should provide ample evidence that adults are losing patience with organizations who are at least on the surface well-meaning telling them what type of entertainment they can or can not purchase with their own money. Whether or not they should purchase it should be left up to individual taste or the quality of the product in question.
Who ever enjoys playing this game needs help, once on TH-cam in destructive creations channel someone asked the developers to put in child rape and the options to rape a child and then kill them....This world is sick ! REASON WHY JESUS NEEDS TO COME BACK!!!
I agree with the 4th point, it isn't violent, it's sadistic. extracreditz did a great video on it, and what it means for the player and the game community.
The #4 reason of it "not being that violent misses" the mark. Mortal Kombat and Dead Space are clearly not based in any actual reality. Mortal Kombat is almost cartoony in it's violence and Dead Space is sci-fi horror similar to the movie Alien. I would argue that Hatred is way more violent with it realistic depiction of murder. Not that I'm offended or anything, as far as I'm concerned it just a game. It's just that comparison falls flat for me.
Because - fuckin SJW, radical feminists and Anti Gamer Gate - hate this game. Because - guys who made this game, are support Gamer Gate. Because ALL THIS ASSHOLES FORGET ABOUT POSTAL 1/PLUS/REDUX. Point me, if i are not correct - BUT NOBODY YELLING ABOUT FIRST POSTAL. NOBODY! (I mean modern feminists and other SJW scum)
Uhhmmm... actually I think the violence in Hatred is more disturbing because it isn't as over the top as Mortal Kombat or Dead Space. Yes, they are extremely gory and brutal, but it's ridiculous and cartoony. Hatred has extreme violence that's just downright cruel and disturbing. Shooting someone at point blank range with a rifle is more disturbing to me than slicing a Mortal Kombat character in a thousand pieces. It's the same reason why The Last Of Us is so disturbing in some parts. The violence is off the charts, because it's not as over the top as some other game's depiction of violence.
I didn't think this game was that bad, really. The whole 'violence' gimmick was pretty cartoonish and corny, really. And it wasn't like it was realistic or anything. Most video games are 'mass murder simulators', anyway. I really don't see the big deal. There was some sub-optimization that made it pretty difficult to play, though.
It struck a chord with people with all the mass shootings that happened. Especially around me in PA there was a man who was a war veteran that killed some of his family members and was roaming around my area. It kind of scared me, so when this game popped up, it didn't do much to help lol! But I never got offended by it by any means, I actually kind of liked it. The game did it's job: Be provocative. It reminds me of the 90's violent video game craze and I kind of liked how we were reliving that for a little bit. Seeing all the easily butthurt and sensitive people (Like Angry Joe) get so offended over a game like this was quite hilarious and enjoyable to watch. I guess some people really do like to watch the world burn.
Another positive might be the aftermatch effect. Blood and bodies don't disappear so you know where you have been by all the death, fire and rubble around the place.
truthfully. the reason hatred is considered so violent is simply because the violence is very very close to reality rather than a huge mess like in dead space and mortal combat.
I never realized it before, but the camera angle and mechanics of Hatred remind me a bit of Fallout 2 and Jagged Alliance, though those were turn-based games.
The point is not the "Gore" on the scene, is the malice behind it, in Mortal Kombat there are two persons perfectly capable of defending themselves and know exactly how it could end, in Dead Space is someone trying to survive monsters, and at the end of the game, he's victorious.... but in Hatred is just killing DEFENSELESS people most of the time.
You act as if a game being dark is an absolute negative. How sheltered are you? EDIT: Oh and the reason everyone hated it has nothing to do with its content. It's because this game gets boring in about 10 minutes and other games like GTA allow you to go on much crazier rampages.
+PosthumanHeresy This is a revelation... Does that mean I never really killed a cyberdemon for real IRL? Guess I should take that off my LinkedIn profile and resume. Was wondering why I never got a call back from that old folks home....
Jonas King And yet people keep comparing video games to real atrocities. The Crusades is more inventive, but still not that heavily different from the standard Holocaust comparison. The numbers were lower, but the motivation of gaining power and the hatred was there, and also there were less people on Earth then, so that's a factor too.
+PosthumanHeresy I don't know if interactive violence is completely innocent, and I mean just that. Don't know. What I would like is a real discussion, without hyperbole or people getting emotional. I think the conversation has been dishonest on both sides. We have plenty of people/pundits/talking heads willing to call GTA a murder simulator, giving the interactivity far too much emphasis and infantilizing the people who are playing the games. But then on the other side, we see non-interactive art (film, music, comics, etc) cited over and over, robbing games of their interactivity and ignoring the transformative power of the player over the medium. If someone wants to use GTA to "simulate murder," than, fuck, give that person a controller. If anything, perhaps some aggression will be vented, and perhaps they will realize what a profoundly stupid idea it is when their car flies in to the moon because gravity broke.
9:59 Nah This is the game to play if you are sick of everyone and want to empty your rage out but at the same time still have a glimmer of hope in humanity so you don't go do it in real life and do it in the game instead.
Okay, while I do think we should probably question the amount of violence we see in media these days I think that the context of the violence and how it's used is important. A story like The Last of Us couldn't be told without a lot of violence. It sets the atmosphere, shows different sides of the characters, and we see it as a horrible necessity in a difficult world. It serves multiple purposes and works to create a memorable story and isn't just there for it's own sake.
Oh, because everyone lost there shit when it was taken off the Steam Store for being too graphic, even though Senren Kagura, an amazing hack and slash game was banned from being played on Twitch because if it's sexual themes and no one batted a fucking eyelash.
Possibly controversial opinion: If they wanted to do something like this, they should of made the main guy an actual monster of some kind. Like a dinosaur or a demon or a dragon. Maybe a werewolf. Admit it, you'd play that. I'd play that. I've always wanted to play a monster game like that.
I actually enjoyed Hatred, and it's a pretty solid game despite a little repetition. Controls were fine as a twin stick shooter, just like any other. I find the controversy pretty hypocritical and overblown too. Shameless plug: I did a review on it. Good video though, are you doing a negatives side?
It's so weird and fucked up that people think that this game, and its protagonist, are somehow "worse" than other games wherein you can and do kill people. At the end of the day, you're still *killing people* in those other games, so there's no difference, this game is just honest about it.
Ok now I can agree for the first three points. But the last one. Holy shit. I don't want to call you dumb but that's clearly naive. The fact you are killing innocents in quite realistic conditions is what upsets people about it. I don't say other games wouldn't do that but you can't compare to games like Dead Space.
Yup, sounds about right. I'd play it for entertainment, but this is no means teaching me to be a psychopathic killer. Hell, I can't even stand the sight of actual blood or gore.
This game wasn't intended to make you feel bad. Just listen to the main character's dialogue. Listen to what he says in all the cutscenes. He's an idiot with delusions of grandeur and a massive chip on his shoulder. And with that realization, you begin to understand that the whole thing just descends into self-parody. The developers know how ridiculous it is; its dark presentation is nothing but a smokescreen. They expect you to pick up on this and just laugh at everything. That makes it easy to have fun playing a game that, when stripped down to its bare core, is no different than any other M-Rated title out there. We play mature games BECAUSE we have an itch to kill walking NPCs. The reason for doing it in any given world is irrelevant, and singling out Hatred for pushing it too far is simply being disingenuous. I know this because I have memories of playing Warcraft III. That game literally allows you to kill children as soon as you take control of human Arthas, and not once will you face any consequences for doing it. I've not seen one article to this day slamming Blizzard for its controversial violence or cruelty.
I believe I watched a video that talked about the original trailer had more violent murder scenes and that's what stirred people that it was an overly graphic game
I disagree with number four. The reason why it is more shocking than Mortal Kombat or Dead Space was how realistically it shows people being killed. In fact, that is one of the main reasons Manhunt got an Adults only rating despite being much less gory. See, Mortal Kombat has been focusing on gore for a long time, so long people were desensitized to over-the-top gore. But Hatred, like Manhunt, did it in a realistic way which was different, so it was more controversial. The main part that sparked controversy about Hatred was how realistic the executions were when it came to not just the act of killing people, but how people react while they are dying. Seeing innocent, defenseless people's last words being spent begging for their lives or cursing the character before they were murdered really sparked emotions, because this could just as easily happen in real life. Also, people's terror response to a mass murderer in the game are really realistic too.
i love that this game is so despised by the masses. i feel like these days if most people are told to hate something, there's probably some merit to it.
It was "alright". and I use alright very loosely. But ya know, as I was playing through this I kept thinking to myself "Wait... this is just hotline miami..."
I never heared about that game untill now. But i‘m afraid this could be because that game never came to germany, or europe in general. For me it looks very interesting.
I'm only thirteen and I'm never really shocked by what happened in the game. I am kinda weird and awkward, but then again so is Kevin Hart, and he's scoring tons of tail.
im glad im not the only one who likes this gane i also can understand both sides of the argument yes mass shootings are terrible but this is just a video game
this game wasn't that bad, it was fine, nothing special. it looked nice, the destruction was good, the devs added a survival mode after the game, which is more support for the game then most can say. I ended up getting this game for 3 dollars with some other games that I ended up liking. the thing that ended up making me not hate it was the fact that the game was only 3 hours long.
I did a steam refund, but it wasn't because of the content of the game or having issues with the controls or anything like that, I was fine with both. I did a refund because it was very buggy, in just 20 minutes i managed to get stuck in the level geometry 4 times and had to restart. I couldn't even get halfway through the 1st level without getting stuck. It would still be in my steam library if it wasn't buggy. Maybe Ill try it again when it gets a good sale and hopefully gets patched up good.
Sure is a mass murder simulator... if you can see yourself on isometric 3rd person, black and white and there were weapons that worked exactly like that, I mean, I can imagine all them murderers in training learning a lot from this game, like how killing other people gruesomely heals their wounds and how killing specific targets allows them to revive at the last real life "checkpoint" of sorts.
I'm waiting for Hatred 2, where its revealed that the events in the first game is nothing more than a sick dream of the protaganist, which ends up making him re-evaluate his want and need to kill, and he eventually seeks theropy and learns to golf to vent his frustrations.
Or he wakes up and plays Hatred 1 on his computer. Hatred 2 is a guy playing hatred 1 to vent his frustrations.
I can't wait for hatred 2 either!
Hatred 2: Pacifist Run
or maybe Hatred 2 will be a dark comedy where you can kick, and the third game will be hated and the 4th one will be in progress for awhile
Wait
Hatred 2: Fairway Frolics
"Most hated game"
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*Mostly Positive*
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Gaming journos says its bad.
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That was a really solid review. And your point about the violence reminds me of an interesting study on violence in the media which I read back in the mid-to-late 2000s -- it took quotes from film critics on things like the "Kill Bill" or "Saw" films and juxtaposed them with the same critics' quotes about films like "The Passion of the Christ". In nearly every case, the reviewers huffed and snarled about how the latter were "torture-porn" and too bloody and unnecessarily gruesome...while at the same time praising those very same elements when featured in films like "Kill Bill", "Saw", etc. They would decry one film for its stylized violence, then praise another for the very same thing. The dividing line seemed to be that they saw "Kill Bill", "Saw", etc. as "fun" and that "fun" justified the violence in a way that something like "The Passion of the Christ" didn't. Which is probably another reason why over-the-top murders and gore in "Dead Space" or "Mortal Kombat" gets a pass, while the less vioent, less gory "Hatred" gets slammed.
Awakeandalive1 Yup, it's a big problem in video games! :(
+Awakeandalive1 one thing you didn't consider is the impact both "The Passion of the Christ" aswell as "Hatred" could have on people compared to more stylized violence like in "Kill Bill" or "Mortal Kombat". I think the difference is the connection to reality. For many people the stories from the Bible are historic facts, so what critics could have in mind is the potential hatred towards Jews a movie like that could create. While it is less probable that someone might connect the events from a movie like "Kill Bill" to reality. It could be similar for "Hatred". There were actually alot of real life killing sprees within the last two decades and a thing all those people had in common was hatred towards a specific group of people or "the world" as a whole. Which is exactly what "Hatred" presents as main motivation in the intro. While a game like "Mortal Kombat" features nonhuman figures and magic and doesn't directly relate to anything existent in reality.
Don't take me wrong, I'm all against putting any of those games or movies on the index, in fact I hate it when games aren't available on Steam or are altered in weird ways and, when living in Germany for example (we're really good at censoring games and movies for violence and gore just like the US are when it comes to nudity), you're basically forced to get them illegally. I'm just trying to understand the double standards described by you and I think I got a valid point.
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passion of the christ, based on a myth of an immoral religion, was entirely just torture porn. was there a story? nope not really, was just constant torture.
Isn't Hotline Miami a mass murder simulator? You play a psycho who kills cops and gangsters for no real reason without even getting paid for it.
Justin Lafser It's ok for SJWs when your enemies are cops.
@Ahmad and skeleton I believe because it was released during the time when mass shootings are commonplace. Hotline Miami was released slightly before and has a slightly humorous and bizarre tone.
Ahmad and skeleton Plus Hotline Miami does not take itself seriously and is not trying to shock people.
I believe it’s because Hotline Miami feels like a fever dream, the premise of the game often involves characters not seeing the world as it truly is (one way or another). But instead an exaggerated, trippy, iteration of it.
Pretty much every game except the Batman Arkham games (because you play as Batman, so *can't* kill people, obviously) is a mass murder simulator. Well, games people care about. There are sports games and stuff, I guess.
"The soil is hungry... and thirsty too..."
I don't think this guy has a grip on how soil works
It's a reference to Postal
Yes he does, he's just being edgy and over the top in reference to people getting buried and how much blood he'll be spilling.
I guess this game drew a lot of...hatred ;)
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Mortal Kombat and Dead Space were a lot more gory, but it was over the top nonsense violents that usually is more funny than shocking. The scenes in Hatred were more reallistic, that ment that it hit closer to home for people. Also a person going around killing everyone with a gun is somthing that seems to actually happen in real life, the media has yet to report on superhumans and mutants ripping each other in half in a death fight. or space creatures slicing people into pieces.
Mic Geeboon The game is still far from realistic.
True, but holding down innocent civilans and cops and stabing them, or blowing thier brains out, is somthing that seems to be more grounded in reality. riping a persons head off with bare hands after freezing them, not so much.
If you played the game you are not blowing their brains out there's barely a spurt of blood and so what if its more towards at the end of the day its a game.
I'm just stating why I think a lot of other people disliked the game. I actually would like to play it.
Mic Geeboon I agree with your original statement. This game may not be as "violent" as Mortal Kombat and Dead Space but it is much more disturbing. The fact that a person can kill so willingly and that a life can end so easily is much more mortifying than seeing someone ripped apart.
Anyhow, not a fan of the games premise, but I don't hold a grudge on it. Just not for me.
A game when you play as Tommy Wiseau killing everyone
“Oh hi, Mark!” *boom*
C'mon shane - superman 64 needs a positives soon :-D
***** There are no positives about Superman 64. NON!
ATASTYTIMBIT There is a positive.... you can turn it off :)
Wolfsite And the cartridge is removeable and can be recycled or destroyed.
+Farhan Nazar well there is actually one: Presentation being faithful to the cartoon based off
+N64 Glenn Plant He just did one! :)
I don't want to play this; I'd end up accidentally cutting myself on the extreme edginess of the main character.
Romantis Anon so why Is edgyness so hated? I love it
Flareblood Its not hated (by me at least), but when its not used properly it just feels cheesy and a little cliché.
+Flareblood Because edginess is about pretending to be aloof and above it all, when actually it's really melodramatic and attention-seeking.
Seriously man, that awesome headbangin' hair is clearly a positive too. The black and white visuals are really interesting, a bit like MadWorld for the Wii, but I feel like it's used a lot more creatively here. Great Video anyway man, cheers!
Having played this, Postal 2 is a lot better, at least it has an (admittedly, pretty juvenile) sense of humor, I really don't get why sites like Polygon hyped this game so much. Good video though, I love this series.
My positive about this game: It's a game where you can roleplay. For example, you play the game, and then you make up your own story, as there isn't any in the game. Because of this, let your imagination go with it. Say like, you made a story, where there's a former chef that tries to kill everyone because they don't like your food, or you're playing as a crazy man that tries to kill everyone in the city, because you're trying to find answers for why the world's ran out of cartons of milk, and threatening everyone to tell him why, or he'll blow up the entire place.
+Questklonoa I feel like there are plenty more games that are far better in terms of gameplay that are more fun to roleplay to. One of the better examples I can think of is Terraria.
Shovel Knight - Negatives
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The Last of Us
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What I find so interesting about GTA is unlike Hatred you are never actually told to go on a rampage and kill loads of innocent people, the player just does it because they want to.
Which is kinda worse. It shows the nature of people. People find it normal in GTA but when the game is actually build around it its suddenly wrong
The game is a mass murder simulator.
A lot of games allow you to do that, in worst ways and i don't see people giving much of shit about then.
Cykachu Xmayro It comes down to two things. 1) The marketing and 2) The lack of pedigree.
Cykachu Xmayro It's because games like gta or saint's row are not only about killing people in brutal ways. CONTROVERSY MAGNET!!!!!!
Lucas N Lol, it's not different from hatred by any means. In hatred the only objective is to kill people, in other games you don't need to kill random people but you CHOOSE TO DO SO ANYWAYS by your own free will
Cykachu Xmayro
>Says the two games are not different
>Immediately recites a difference between the two games
***** They made a mistake in saying "it's not different" when they really meant something like "it's worse that people choose to kill in a game where they don't have to than kill people in a game where that is the objective."
I actually noticed on the TV at 04:17 that the movie that plays is actually Turkish Rambo, or Korkusuz in turkish. That's pretty random.
+Sarato I am so glad I'm not the only one that noticed that, the devs clearly have good taste in films.
Yeah, could be or maybe they thought it was public domain, which it isn't.
what makes killing a homeless person worse than a regular person?
really, what makes killing a kid worse than killing an adult.
you're still taking someones life. it doesnt matter how much they have lived.
Steve Compton don't ask that to him, ask that to the medias.
iota-09 no, im asking him, because he said it.
It's like "what's worse, slitting someone's throat, or slitting someone's throat and rubbing salt in it?"
Steve Compton I think in the case of the kid, it is due to their relative innocence compared to an adult. Each adult that you kill in the game, you can probably justify a reason in your head why they deserved it, but not a kid. As far as the homeless, it's probably because they have it shitty already and getting killed by a murdering psychopath is the cherry on top.
Guys on go his google+ and read through all the hate he posts on videos, literally i cant find one positive comment, its all just hate!
congratulations hatred guy you beat shadow the hedgehog in being a eagelord
Wario is that bad?
i dont even know
This game is so ridiculous, especially with those ~edgy~ monologues, I just really can't take it seriously in any way
+Willow Leonard There's a crosshair option that's a gif of a dancing, jizzing penis. I don't think the devs take it seriously either.
It takes balls to find the positives in this game, congrats Shane, very brave of you!
Why is killing homeless people comparable to killing children? That just sounds kind of insulting to the homeless - like they wouldn't be able to stand the chance that a middle-income adult would.
They're a vulnerable group in society, but it's not like they'd be more emotionally affecting to kill or anything.
No idea what you were trying to say but look at the bright side, you got them out of their misery
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It's been years but I think I meant to say something like "it's infantilizing homeless people" in a way.
Also saying you're putting them out of their misery is a pretty shitty thing to say.
The way the character executes the people makes you feel like he truly has no fucks given about the life he's taking. Mortal kombat and dead space draw it out, add weight too it. They really show " hey Jason really destroyed you this match." Or " man you shouldn't have let that monster do this to you, but now you gotta pay" hatred shows how efficient and nonchalant he is about life. He kills with no care in the world. You barely know when you're killing somebody because he's not excited about it. He doesn't care because he has no feeling. He does what he does and that's it. It's well designed but gives no real value other than mindless slaughter. Tearing your opponent to shreds in MK or getting destroyed and feeling absolutely powerless in Dead Space at least has value artistically. This is just a bleak murder spree with no redeeming value.
MK is also so over the top with it's violence, it's pretty much comedy. This game is... not that.
I kinda disagree with your point on the violence. The reason people were more shocked about hatred than the other two was that the other two were over the top in their gore, but Hatred was more realistic in how brutal it was and how the npcs reacted.
+Nick mcnugget Yeah..."realistic"
I mean, they actually got scared and tried to run instead of just sorta standing there with a neutral expression the whole time.
Nick mcnugget They do that in GTA too.
yeah, I guess you guys put up a good point. It certainly can't help that you're playing as a serial killer the whole time either. Not like a silly kinda thing like postal, this game took itself seriously.
+Sonli Rain Yup, the original Postal was just as violent and just as criticized when it came out originally. I remember it being a really big issue at the time.
Another fantastic episode Shane! I still have a hard time believing this game got the rating it did.
I'd like to see him make a positives video on the CDI all if it. All the games. Every. Single. One.
Great! I'll grab my stuff!
I do agree with Positive #1 with the visuals. I think they're very well designed.
But, can I just say that the protagonist just looks like he needs a shower like seriously dude.
I’ve Got a Certain Appreciation For TV,Movies,Music,&,Video Games Depending on What They Are I Think They Can Pretty Majorly Influence How You View Certain Parts of The World,I Also Think Books,&,Radio Programs Depending on What They Were Had That Exact Same Ability,&,I Also Don’t Think It’s Ever Nature Vs.Nurture,I Think It’s Nature,&,Nurture
Well I liked Hatred. I wasnt perfect but still I liked it. It felt like POSTAL 1 with better controls.
I think the level of violence in this game actually works against it, as in it's not violent enough. I should feel horrified every time, but I dont, the death animations look like something out of a movie, and thats not good if you're going for shocking. You should feel worse than you do. But A for effort I guess.
"how could anyone find anything good in that?" Dude, that premise had me sold right off the jump
Edgy Mc.Edges simulator
I slightly disagree with what you said about the main character's appreciation to media. Looking at the footage you had of the game, it looked like the only specks of colour were sources of light - TVs, gas station signs, a vending machine, fire and so on. I don't know if its meant to symbolise him trying to find his guiding light or what, but the media thing just doesn't seem like it fits the big picture on its own.
This dude needs a hug, and Jesus. Or some Prozac. Some shit. lol
Rocket League negatives?
I've heard of good work about that game. I'll have to give it a shot.
+Rerez pun
Exploding Baconeer Probably that its the exact same (with less content) as its predecessor
You saved my skyrocketing eyebrow with that parenthesized jeer Shane ;)
Good job mate!
I'm still willing to buy it, once it gets below £5 mark to make my own judgement.
extremely good objective look at this game imo, and the comparisons to other games definitely helped a lot :) subbed!
I think the difference between this game and MK is that in MK the violence is gory, but almost comical... it's so violent that is like a parody of violence... in other hand, Hatred present a kind of violence realistic, people die if they got shot in the head, their head maybe explode or open... and as you say... there is no plot to justify the death of people... so is just like those Shock games of early 2000 but with better grafics and physics
I liked this review... it's an interesting point of view, and every positive mentioned is grounded. Plus, it's a fresh review, unlike every other review on the internet that only focus on the meaningless violence and controversy. Good video, Shane!
4:12 OMG THAT ON THE TV IS TURKISH RAMBO A.K.A RAMPAGE, STARRING SERDAR AS SERDAR!!!!!
A mass murder inspired by Turkish rambo lol
ottoollie36 I feel embarrassed
ottoollie36 I feel embarrassed
One other positive is that Hatred's success (from a sales standpoint,anyway) should provide ample evidence that adults are losing patience with organizations who are at least on the surface well-meaning telling them what type of entertainment they can or can not purchase with their own money.
Whether or not they should purchase it should be left up to individual taste or the quality of the product in question.
Killing People For no Reason's a Serial Killer Reason
2:11 This is comedic gold.
THE OLD REREZ IS BACK!!!!!
Positive: If you’ve misplaced your knife, this game is edgy enough to cut even the most well-done steak.
Edit: Is that Nathan Explosion?
Excellent analysis. I really enjoy the Positives and Negatives Show and this is a very fine episode.
Who ever enjoys playing this game needs help, once on TH-cam in destructive creations channel someone asked the developers to put in child rape and the options to rape a child and then kill them....This world is sick ! REASON WHY JESUS NEEDS TO COME BACK!!!
Well, thanks for the honesty. It was one of the best reviews I've seen for this game.
I agree with the 4th point, it isn't violent, it's sadistic. extracreditz did a great video on it, and what it means for the player and the game community.
The #4 reason of it "not being that violent misses" the mark. Mortal Kombat and Dead Space are clearly not based in any actual reality. Mortal Kombat is almost cartoony in it's violence and Dead Space is sci-fi horror similar to the movie Alien. I would argue that Hatred is way more violent with it realistic depiction of murder. Not that I'm offended or anything, as far as I'm concerned it just a game. It's just that comparison falls flat for me.
Why is it hated? It looks like a ton of fun.
Because - fuckin SJW, radical feminists and Anti Gamer Gate - hate this game.
Because - guys who made this game, are support Gamer Gate.
Because ALL THIS ASSHOLES FORGET ABOUT POSTAL 1/PLUS/REDUX. Point me, if i are not correct - BUT NOBODY YELLING ABOUT FIRST POSTAL. NOBODY! (I mean modern feminists and other SJW scum)
Даниил Степанов
damn right.
Uhhmmm... actually I think the violence in Hatred is more disturbing because it isn't as over the top as Mortal Kombat or Dead Space. Yes, they are extremely gory and brutal, but it's ridiculous and cartoony. Hatred has extreme violence that's just downright cruel and disturbing. Shooting someone at point blank range with a rifle is more disturbing to me than slicing a Mortal Kombat character in a thousand pieces.
It's the same reason why The Last Of Us is so disturbing in some parts. The violence is off the charts, because it's not as over the top as some other game's depiction of violence.
I like you professionally.
I didn't think this game was that bad, really. The whole 'violence' gimmick was pretty cartoonish and corny, really. And it wasn't like it was realistic or anything. Most video games are 'mass murder simulators', anyway. I really don't see the big deal.
There was some sub-optimization that made it pretty difficult to play, though.
Atleast in Mortal Kombat you're not just murdering people, it's a fight to the death, but its violence is over the top and tongue in cheek.
It struck a chord with people with all the mass shootings that happened. Especially around me in PA there was a man who was a war veteran that killed some of his family members and was roaming around my area. It kind of scared me, so when this game popped up, it didn't do much to help lol! But I never got offended by it by any means, I actually kind of liked it. The game did it's job: Be provocative. It reminds me of the 90's violent video game craze and I kind of liked how we were reliving that for a little bit. Seeing all the easily butthurt and sensitive people (Like Angry Joe) get so offended over a game like this was quite hilarious and enjoyable to watch. I guess some people really do like to watch the world burn.
Another positive might be the aftermatch effect. Blood and bodies don't disappear so you know where you have been by all the death, fire and rubble around the place.
truthfully. the reason hatred is considered so violent is simply because the violence is very very close to reality rather than a huge mess like in dead space and mortal combat.
Honestly I want to play this, it looks decent
I never realized it before, but the camera angle and mechanics of Hatred remind me a bit of Fallout 2 and Jagged Alliance, though those were turn-based games.
The point is not the "Gore" on the scene, is the malice behind it, in Mortal Kombat there are two persons perfectly capable of defending themselves and know exactly how it could end, in Dead Space is someone trying to survive monsters, and at the end of the game, he's victorious.... but in Hatred is just killing DEFENSELESS people most of the time.
You act as if a game being dark is an absolute negative. How sheltered are you?
EDIT: Oh and the reason everyone hated it has nothing to do with its content. It's because this game gets boring in about 10 minutes and other games like GTA allow you to go on much crazier rampages.
Guh.
Kinda like finding the positives of the crusades.
+Justin Coats Europeans started baking and cooking with sugar? Maybe? :P
+Jonas King Well, you see, the Crusades actually killed people. These are pixels. They are not alive. They are not sentient. They are lines of code.
+PosthumanHeresy
This is a revelation...
Does that mean I never really killed a cyberdemon for real IRL?
Guess I should take that off my LinkedIn profile and resume. Was wondering why I never got a call back from that old folks home....
Jonas King And yet people keep comparing video games to real atrocities. The Crusades is more inventive, but still not that heavily different from the standard Holocaust comparison. The numbers were lower, but the motivation of gaining power and the hatred was there, and also there were less people on Earth then, so that's a factor too.
+PosthumanHeresy
I don't know if interactive violence is completely innocent, and I mean just that. Don't know. What I would like is a real discussion, without hyperbole or people getting emotional. I think the conversation has been dishonest on both sides. We have plenty of people/pundits/talking heads willing to call GTA a murder simulator, giving the interactivity far too much emphasis and infantilizing the people who are playing the games. But then on the other side, we see non-interactive art (film, music, comics, etc) cited over and over, robbing games of their interactivity and ignoring the transformative power of the player over the medium. If someone wants to use GTA to "simulate murder," than, fuck, give that person a controller. If anything, perhaps some aggression will be vented, and perhaps they will realize what a profoundly stupid idea it is when their car flies in to the moon because gravity broke.
They should make a version where the character sees the world as a Little Sister from Bioshock would.
This game is so easy to find positives in
Srebrnic1 hold the pile of shit
Positives about the E.T. game
ET isn‘t that bad. At least for a game that aera.
Positive 1, it makes for a decent fill material to deal with unsightly yard holes.
The main character from this game is the purest emo
I love this series. It's good to look at the good things.
9:59
Nah
This is the game to play if you are sick of everyone and want to empty your rage out but at the same time still have a glimmer of hope in humanity so you don't go do it in real life and do it in the game instead.
Okay, while I do think we should probably question the amount of violence we see in media these days I think that the context of the violence and how it's used is important. A story like The Last of Us couldn't be told without a lot of violence. It sets the atmosphere, shows different sides of the characters, and we see it as a horrible necessity in a difficult world. It serves multiple purposes and works to create a memorable story and isn't just there for it's own sake.
This game needed more anarchy and hatred against the Government.
And Blood.
And Guns.
why so much complain its just a unofficial remake of the first postal..............
Didn't Postal have Tongue in cheek humor?
classicrockkid345 not the first one..........
Oh, well still doesn't change the fact that Hatred is still one of the most boring games ever.
classicrockkid345 yeah,i was just complain about so many attention this thing gets...........
Oh, because everyone lost there shit when it was taken off the Steam Store for being too graphic, even though Senren Kagura, an amazing hack and slash game was banned from being played on Twitch because if it's sexual themes and no one batted a fucking eyelash.
That main character tho.... he just needs a hug lmao
Shane has played Thrill Kill? Oh that's awesome. I wonder which character was his favorite?
Possibly controversial opinion: If they wanted to do something like this, they should of made the main guy an actual monster of some kind. Like a dinosaur or a demon or a dragon. Maybe a werewolf.
Admit it, you'd play that. I'd play that. I've always wanted to play a monster game like that.
I actually enjoyed Hatred, and it's a pretty solid game despite a little repetition. Controls were fine as a twin stick shooter, just like any other. I find the controversy pretty hypocritical and overblown too. Shameless plug: I did a review on it. Good video though, are you doing a negatives side?
I love how the game that is what all the Soccer Moms thinks all video games are was utterly despised by gamers lmfao
It's so weird and fucked up that people think that this game, and its protagonist, are somehow "worse" than other games wherein you can and do kill people. At the end of the day, you're still *killing people* in those other games, so there's no difference, this game is just honest about it.
Ok now I can agree for the first three points.
But the last one. Holy shit. I don't want to call you dumb but that's clearly naive.
The fact you are killing innocents in quite realistic conditions is what upsets people about it. I don't say other games wouldn't do that but you can't compare to games like Dead Space.
Yup, sounds about right. I'd play it for entertainment, but this is no means teaching me to be a psychopathic killer. Hell, I can't even stand the sight of actual blood or gore.
Wtf the car broke through the wall but was immediately stopped by furniture. They should use that furniture in military barricades.
This game wasn't intended to make you feel bad. Just listen to the main character's dialogue. Listen to what he says in all the cutscenes. He's an idiot with delusions of grandeur and a massive chip on his shoulder. And with that realization, you begin to understand that the whole thing just descends into self-parody. The developers know how ridiculous it is; its dark presentation is nothing but a smokescreen. They expect you to pick up on this and just laugh at everything. That makes it easy to have fun playing a game that, when stripped down to its bare core, is no different than any other M-Rated title out there. We play mature games BECAUSE we have an itch to kill walking NPCs. The reason for doing it in any given world is irrelevant, and singling out Hatred for pushing it too far is simply being disingenuous.
I know this because I have memories of playing Warcraft III. That game literally allows you to kill children as soon as you take control of human Arthas, and not once will you face any consequences for doing it. I've not seen one article to this day slamming Blizzard for its controversial violence or cruelty.
I searched this game up to hear about how bad it was.
I can say I really like the fact that you try to find the positives
I believe I watched a video that talked about the original trailer had more violent murder scenes and that's what stirred people that it was an overly graphic game
Another positive is that the devs really knew how to advertise their game! Via shock! Same with the success of GTA and MK.
I disagree with number four. The reason why it is more shocking than Mortal Kombat or Dead Space was how realistically it shows people being killed. In fact, that is one of the main reasons Manhunt got an Adults only rating despite being much less gory. See, Mortal Kombat has been focusing on gore for a long time, so long people were desensitized to over-the-top gore. But Hatred, like Manhunt, did it in a realistic way which was different, so it was more controversial. The main part that sparked controversy about Hatred was how realistic the executions were when it came to not just the act of killing people, but how people react while they are dying. Seeing innocent, defenseless people's last words being spent begging for their lives or cursing the character before they were murdered really sparked emotions, because this could just as easily happen in real life. Also, people's terror response to a mass murderer in the game are really realistic too.
Wait... Dev team made really great physics engine AND didn't make tactical turn based combat game we all want to play. That is like a huge mistake.
i love that this game is so despised by the masses. i feel like these days if most people are told to hate something, there's probably some merit to it.
It was "alright". and I use alright very loosely. But ya know, as I was playing through this I kept thinking to myself "Wait... this is just hotline miami..."
Postal > Hatred
Postal 2 can have very good commentary at times.
Ollie Taylor Yeah, yeah it dies...
I like Hatred a lot, but you'll here no argument from me ;)
MNCpoops Hatred tries so hard to be edgy, postal is more self aware and just wants to make you laugh.
***** In other words, while hatred is cutting it's wrists with steel razors, postal is dismembering cops and pissing on their corpses.
Positive: VERY VERY VIOLENT!!!!
At 4:20 you can see a movie called TURKISH RAMBO
I never heared about that game untill now. But i‘m afraid this could be because that game never came to germany, or europe in general.
For me it looks very interesting.
I'm only thirteen and I'm never really shocked by what happened in the game. I am kinda weird and awkward, but then again so is Kevin Hart, and he's scoring tons of tail.
Aww man! I need this game the inner psychopath is LOVING THIS
im glad im not the only one who likes this gane i also can understand both sides of the argument yes mass shootings are terrible but this is just a video game
this game wasn't that bad, it was fine, nothing special. it looked nice, the destruction was good, the devs added a survival mode after the game, which is more support for the game then most can say. I ended up getting this game for 3 dollars with some other games that I ended up liking. the thing that ended up making me not hate it was the fact that the game was only 3 hours long.
I did a steam refund, but it wasn't because of the content of the game or having issues with the controls or anything like that, I was fine with both. I did a refund because it was very buggy, in just 20 minutes i managed to get stuck in the level geometry 4 times and had to restart. I couldn't even get halfway through the 1st level without getting stuck. It would still be in my steam library if it wasn't buggy. Maybe Ill try it again when it gets a good sale and hopefully gets patched up good.
Why is Nathan Explosion so angry in this game?
+rabbitmaskedman Cartoon Network cancelled his show. Why wouldn't he be angry?
Sure is a mass murder simulator... if you can see yourself on isometric 3rd person, black and white and there were weapons that worked exactly like that, I mean, I can imagine all them murderers in training learning a lot from this game, like how killing other people gruesomely heals their wounds and how killing specific targets allows them to revive at the last real life "checkpoint" of sorts.
Well done Sir, well done. Anybody remember the first Postal game?