OverworkedITGuy, I completely agree about that. Personally, I believe that writers across every genre should study this relationship because it really is a dynamic, ever changing thing. Beautifully crafted.
@@jamesabernethy7896 The show was all about the characters. And those characters were masterfully written and handled. It's why the show still stands up despite how terrible the FX are from current standards.
@@oldgoat142 And the thing is, ALL of the character interactions were that good. Londo and G'kar just stand out more because of how intense their relationship was and how directly tied to the actual larger story/greater world dynamics of the B5 universe it was.
@@OverworkedITGuy Agreed. Michael Garibaldi typifies the complexity of many of the characters. Susan Ivanova and her dealings with PsyCorp is another example, but you're right, G'kar/Londo stand out because it affected not just them, but their cultures and the impact on the wider conflict. The actors, in particular Peter Jurassic and Andreas Katsulas, were simply outstanding.
The two men who played these roles embodied them completely, masterfully. I Often think about their conversations, Londo's certainty that he and G'kar would literally be the death of each other, the hate between them, G'kar's evolution as a character from a cold, utterly militaristic man to one more focused on ending the suffering of his people, as well as recognizing the threat of the Shadows and Londo's realization that he was a villain, and a chess piece manipulated by the Shadows, and what he did with those realizations as they chipped away at him. Londo and G'kar's stories were beautifully tragic. I also found it odd that I constantly rooted for Londo, not his actions most of the time, but whenever he did something honestly noble or simply nice. I wanted badly for him to rise up and become something better than he was being for much of the show. Peter Jurasik and Andreas Katsulas were masters in their craft working with talented writers. I miss those days.
@@Bastion83 Both actors played multi-dimensional characters who also wanted the best for their people, Katsulas played G'Kar not only as a seasoned warrior and stategist but also someone capable of great compassion. The actions Londo took from S1-3 showed that he had a conscience, but he was always so focused on the "big picture" of making the Centauri a galactic superpower again after their fall from grace, the two best quotes to show this were; "You want to see the diplomatic personnel homeworld has sent me, this (gestures to Vir), this is it" when he tells Garibaldi that he was sent only one attache and "when you arrived, Vir, I was jealous. Because you had come so far and were still so innocent." One scene, having seen himself as a once-great Centauri diplomat he's displeased to have essentially been treated as nothing but a minor "public servant" and the other having turned a corner is trying to support and comfort Vir after he kills Cartagia and knows that what he'd done will always weigh on him.
They were awesome. My favorite episode is the one where G'Kar needs a rare plant for a religious ritual and Londo just happens to keep one in his quarters for the specific purpose of price gouging the hell out of G'Kar should he ever need one for said religious ritual.
I always thought that although Londo did some unspeakable things, he atoned for his history, only to have such a horrible end. He went full circle - antagonist, protagonist, and ultimately one you felt sympathy for.
Nobody in Babylon 5 was perfect. G'Kar started Londo on his path of hatred when he authorized the attack on a Centauri outpost. Sinclair personally warned G'Kar things would spin out of control. Londo's related family was taken in the attack but later released. Londo hated the impotence of the Republic during the incident. That worked perfectly later when a Mr. Morden showed up.
I own the DVD set and my buddy and I watch it every year between Xmas and New Years to recover and relax. My sons are now big fans as well and it's become our family "after xmas" routine to get the snacks, drinks in the fridge and let's watch B5. We even have times where we'll say lines from the show to make a point about something utterly unrelated to B5 but is profound enough to matter. The show was FULL of excellent wisdom. Get back to it as soon as you can.
and just as i thought i can't love your channel more, you drop this about my number one fav SciFi-show. I had the chance to meet the whole cast at Vor-Con back in 1998, when i participated at the World Championship of the CCTC Game with the same name as the show and stayed at the same hotel as the cast. Not only did they present such a great chemistry on screen, they did so ofscreen, too... with Bill Mumy playing pranks on Patrica Tallman during their photo shoot to Andrea Thompson (Talia Winters ) painting devils horns and a goatie on the card of Michael Garribaldi for me with glee and later when i showed it to Jerry Doyl,e he laught out loud, this cast just brought us so much joy and fun. Also Julie Caitlin Brown ( Na'Toth) is just such a peach. I had the pleasure to explain the game to her little brother on the convention ( of cause i had no idea of him being her brother at this time ) and after about 1 hour of us both playing and having fun, she appeared at his side and just sat down with us, just like any normal person would.We hat a little chat and then we all went our way... a year later, when i and 2 friends of mine volunteered to teach the game on the biggest gaming fair open to the public in Essen, Germany ( my home country of cause 😂) and the three of us went to the hotel of the games publishers to get our exhibition passes for the convention, we had to wait for about an hour. The hotel desk attendee asked us to wait at the bar and we of cause agreed enthusiastically... and the first thing i heard, when we entered the bar was a female shout of my name and then Julie came right to us hugging me, it still flashes me, that she not only remembered my face but also my name after 1 year and only talking to me for about 10 minutes. Unbeknown to us, the publishers hired her, Claudia Christian ( Susan Ivanova ) and Robert Russler ( Lt. Warren Keffer ) to promote the card game... thx for getting me down on the memory lane of one of the most precious experiences of my life... Greetings from Germany
WOW! That is an awesome story! I was (and still am) a big Fan of Babylon 5 and all the various B5 games when I ran a game store in the late 90s. Never knew that there was a World Championship for the B5 tcg. Then again, B5 was MUCH more popular in Europe than in the USA. I was privileged to have met JMS and Peter Woodward ("Galen" from Crusade) when I ran the Wizards of the Coast Castle at Gen-Con 2000 in Wisconsin. ;)
@@SogoTX thx for taking your time to get on that ride on memory lane with me. when the Babylon 5 TCG dropped in Germany a friend of mine reached out to Precidence, the game developer, who had called for volunteers to orginaze tournaments all over the world ( their Ranger program 🤣) and my buddy was then in charge of the German competitions ( we had 4 major cities where tournaments happend, Munich, Hamburg, Dortmund and Nurembeerg ( my home town ) and later he distributed the material support of Precidence to all of the European Rangers and not very surprisingliy the first German championship then was held in Erlangen, a neighbor town of mine. To my surprise i had won that with a flawless victory streak with a Narn Military deck and to a much greater surprise the first place prize was access to the World Champion final tournament in Pomona, flight, hotel and catering all inclusive 😍🤩. there at thursday and friday the qualifying tournament to fill the "end round" where held. As a national champion me, the British, the US, Canadian, Australian and if i remember right South Korean champions all had 2 days to enjoy themselves at the convention and it was on friday i met Julie Caitlin Brown and her brother.
@@belegur8108 That is so cool! When I ran the WOTC Castle at Gen-Con 2000, we debuted Dungeons and Dragons 2.0, and it was incredible! I sold over $250,000 of product in three days on 4 rickety old cash registers. I also got paid in product, so I had 6 cases each of the new Player's Handbooks and Dungeon Master's Guide books. i took them around the Con and used them as trade bait. Needless to say, I was quite popular with the other vendors. I scored SO many games that weekend. 3 factory sets of Star Trek Disc Wars (Called, "Red Alert") . A COMPLETE collection of ALL the books and miniatures of the Babylon 5 Wars strategy minis game from Agents of Gaming, (including an introduction to JMS, so he could sign my main rulebook and Peter Woodward signed his character's B5 TCG card for me). One of each of the main factions' decks of the B5 TCG, and a sheet of 9 cards that were autographed by some of the cast members , and a TON of other swag... Good times! It is also one of my most fond memories as a Gamer. It is good to share those happier times with others that were there in the same era... Danke' Schon! ;)
The Babylon 5 novel "Blood Oath" has one character think how the entire Narn homeworld was one big prison - the Circles or classes were stratified like castes so it was becoming almost a fossilized society.. same could be said of the hierarchies on Centari Prime.. both cultures were more alike than would admit to.. and were structured like that before the century war. Both stuck in their ways then and without a future as Kosh said..
I was at a wonderful convention b5 years ago but Peter jurassic, he did a wonderful two hou talk and and a session, on a Saturday and Sunday, i went to both and both were different, he was do intelligent and funny, he had wonderful insights, and he relaxed b5 to the real world and history, but revenge and the cycle, was the heart of his talk , he was very good with fans , he talked about his career as well , his big break in hill street blues , great 80s cop show , But he did the qna in character, as Londo , he just put on the voice and channeled him ,
My favorite part of the video is where you asked if there are any moments between Londo and G'kar that stand out and then show a screen cap from the very scene that does (the elevator). Perfect :)
My favourite ever series :) Thank you Elaine for this insightful and thoughtful journey into what is perhaps the show's greatest storytelling backdrop and the riveting themes and characters it provides. Londo is so tragic; G'kar so poingant. Truly some of the greatest television we've ever been blessed with
"No dictator, no invader, can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free." - G'Kar
There was great chemistry with all the cast. Whether you call it Londo and G'Kar or Jurasik and Katsulas' chemistry there are so many good scenes. A moment that stands out for me is before G'Kar finds out about Londo's betrayal and he and buys him a drink, toasting to the Emperor's health and 'Perhaps' to Londo's. The look in Londo's eye as he realises the man standing in front of him need not be an enemy and can be reasoned with. Who is not merely made of bitterness and hate. G'Kar's reaction to the betrayal is heart-wrenching.
That was a great S1 scene, because G'Kar knew the old emperor was willing to allow the Narn to become a free species untethered to the Centauri. As he praised the emperor G'Kar was for the first time not resentful of the Centauri as he was seeing a clear future for his people, it also nicely foreshadows how he and Londo could become equals not tethered to each other by mutual hatred
The relationship between the Narn and Centauri really is well developed, much like similar relationships in other franchises. The difference though, imho, is the ever changing, very dynamic relationship between Londo and G'kar. It is one of the finest I've ever seen or can remember, and I've been watching sci-fi and other genres forever, (I'm 61). That's how you create a fascinating, engaging, character arc.
It's also nice to see how in S1 there was the joke about G'Kar and Londo being married to each other and during S5E04 two of the maintenance guys refer to them as an "old married couple" before they're old friends and have to kill each other just to free Londo of the Drakh influence
What I like about both is where they started and how they progressed to be the emperor and a religious figure. Quite amazing and fabulous writing and character interaction and character development.
Babylon 5 👍🏻 introducing the use of mass drivers in planetary warfare was a great idea. It's too bad Babylon 5 didn't gain the popularity of DS9. B5 had better science fiction concepts.
“They throw stones.” Was the line. Also the persistent reliance on Newtonian physics creating artificial gravity in the station itself. Plus every human dreadnought had a spinning section to simulate gravity. Plus the human body response to the high-G turns the StarFury Mark-1 was capable of. The machine could perform beyond the pilot’s ability to endure the G-stresses. Meanwhile every other franchise is using space magic. But anyone who watches this channel already knows all of this.
@@leafcatcher1715 NASA actually contacted JMS about testing his Starfury designs. They are the most realistic of any sci-fi series at the time. (Expanse surpasses them)
Another great detail was how not only were the physics of mass drivers shown, but also the fact the Centauri were using them in violation of the "terms of war" and it practically made the Republic a war criminal for utilizing the system. The idea of less-advanced species using centripetal force to generate gravity while more advanced species like Minbari had developed the means to synthesize gravity, which also delineates the technological progression between species
Well done! One of my favorite moments was Sheridan, or maybe it was Sinclair, calling out G'kar fir invading other worlds. I think he said something like "you're acting like an abused animal lashing out at anyone in your way"
I think the quote you are looking for goes more? "Your acting like a bullied child finally gown large enough to inflict the same on others and your doing the same to anyone in your way! But I could be wrong, I'm going on memory here? It was Sinclair in season 1 I believe?
In an exceptional cast of characters and stories, Londo and G'Kar had my favorite character arcs over the course of the show as both changed in ways that I had not predicted. Not to mention their dynamic evolved so much of the course of the series that they went from bitter enemies, to rivals (with a mutual respect), to friends by the end.
I loved B5. And that's an understatement. I didn't know anything about Croatia. But the late Mira Furlan is the reason I wanted to learn more about her homeland.
Peter Jurassic and Andreas Katsulas, whistle not A listers really captured lightning in a bottle together, the heart they (and most others involved) poured into their performances was just out of this world, they gave it all for a "minor" series, but we received. And what a reception B5 is my all time favourite show, it captured my soul and heart, I feel so grateful for actors like this to have offered us what they did.
There are a lot of moments between the both of them that I loved throughout the entire five year run, but I think their relationship became strongest and the best at the end towards the end in season five when Londo and Jakar were trying to unravel the mystery of what was going on in the Sari Palace
Londo and G'Kar. These individuals represent so many facets. At one point in time, they showed nothing but hatred and buffoonery. But as a series progressed, they both showed signs of personal growth and vulnerability. Both experienced a fair amount of tragedy and possible redemption. In the end, it took them both to end it all by each other's hands.
I found Lando one of the most compelling characters in B5. His journey from petty, ambitious functionary to brooding ruler of an empire to a broken pawn of forces beyond his control is breathtaking. His evolving relationship with G'Kar is the most interesting part of the series.
Love the contrast with G'Kar and Londo being the premier representatives of their people, although G'Kar told Mr. Morden; "The Centauri mined my world, I want to salt their soil" was because he'd been irritated by the periodic question and after he gives into his anger and says what he wants done he calms down enough to wave it off as an idle threat. Londo had felt as if his people had once been the preeeminent race on the galactic stage wished to see their return to glory, but to see the use of mass drivers on the Narn homeworld and realize the woman he'd begun to love (Adira Tyree) being killed by another Centauri noble allowed him to form an alliance of convenience with G'Kar to take out a common enemy. The best way to encapsulate their species' animosity, after being turned into a "war criminal" and before leaving the council chamber; "There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power, governments and armies and tyrants cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once, we will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years...we will be free." Coming together in mutual desire to seek justice against Cartagia they work together against a common foe and when leaving Londo says; "They have learned that we are leaving and that soon Narn will be free. On that part, good riddance, it was always more trouble than it was worth. It will cause me no amount of trouble back home but, I gave G'Kar my word. I set them free, in nreturn for his help. I will keep my promises."
Oh it goes far deeper than simple hatred for each other for past wartime and occupation. There was the burgeoning friendship that was shattered just it was forming when the Centauri invaded Narn again. Then there was the deep self loathing of Lando as he realized he was getting everything he ever thought he wanted and the knowledge that he would have to play the role that he'd begged to play.
AS can be seen from my avatar I'm a B5 fan. There are so many scenes between the two that it is hard to pick. But, They are stuck in an elevator and a fire is burning nearby: Londo: I'm tired of my life. G'Kar: So am I
Both had such great chemistry and yet their conflict made their characters and races so much more nuanced. Two opposing sides, almost a nice allegory to slavery; G'Kar was raised seeing the brutality of those who placed themselves above the "primitive" race they abused, and Londo was used to seeing the Narn as being little more than "beasts" until having to face each other as equals. Growing from rivals to grudging allies and finally friends, even if neither realized they were mor alike than they wanted to admit
Always wondered after finishing this series what it would have been like if they kept G'Kar a more villainous character like he was in the pilot. Keep everything else the same but make that one change. That speech when he was stripped of his title would have been 🔥 in a very different way.
Love how Vir knew and simply wanted; "to live long enough to see them stick your head on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some things do come at too high of a price. I want to look up into your lifeless eyes and go (waves fingers). Can your associates do that for me, Mr. Morden?" Such a great quote, as it showed how Vir was both kind and yet knew that whatever Morden wanted could end badly
Peter Jurasik and Andreas Katsulas provided the most amazing chemistry of any set of characters on B5. Londo and G'Kar were the the best written characters on the show bar none.
"No dictor, no invader, can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once, we will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free." -- G'Kar
I was thinking of this quote, it's been a while since I read that. It shows off how G'Kar knew that being imprisoned was only going to make the Narn more willing to sacrifice themselves just for the sake of dying free, this quote could also be used in DS9 relating to the Bajoran-Cardassian conflict
"They should be pitied, they are on a course for self destruction" - applies to the Narn, they learned nothing as their attack on Centauri Prime proved. Wouldn't surprise me if both were kicked out the alliance in centuries and the Centauri ruled Narn on and off again.
J. Michael Straczynski was a genus when it can to the writing of Babylon 5 so many topics hit on and a lot of hidden messages something only sci fi can do. I can see what pisses the Narn's off all that death by the Centari for what resources and to expand there empire its a reoccurring theme in Humanoids we are never satisfied with what we have but as G'Quan would say peace is the only way and G'Kar said it best the Centari should be pitied they are a dying people
Guess you have not heard about the, "reboot" of Babylon 5 with JMS recycling the John Sheridan story arc... and of course, it will be, 'updated" for a, "Modern Audience"... 🤢 Great Maker... please take me out of this mad Universe... 😉
there are so many great ones in that show... and what this show did, was giving us bad ass female characters, that rocked the universe and gave us some of the best lines in the show: Commander Susan Ivanova: No boom today. Boom tomorrow. There's always a boom tomorrow. What? Look, somebody's got to have some damn perspective around here! Boom. Sooner or later. BOOM! Delenn ( when threatened by an Earth Alliance cruiser captain to leave the Babylon 5 space: Why not? Only one human captain has ever survived battle with a Minbari Fleet. He is behind me. You are in front of me. If you value your lives, be somewhere else!
@@belegur8108 Yeah you’re right. A lot of great casting. That’s one thing that could hurt a remake, there are big shoes to fill in the casting department.
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G'kar is one of the best characters in fiction. And the G'kar/Lando relationship throughout the series was one of the best ever written.
There was so much great chemistry in Babylon 5.
OverworkedITGuy, I completely agree about that. Personally, I believe that writers across every genre should study this relationship because it really is a dynamic, ever changing thing. Beautifully crafted.
@@jamesabernethy7896 The show was all about the characters. And those characters were masterfully written and handled. It's why the show still stands up despite how terrible the FX are from current standards.
@@oldgoat142 And the thing is, ALL of the character interactions were that good. Londo and G'kar just stand out more because of how intense their relationship was and how directly tied to the actual larger story/greater world dynamics of the B5 universe it was.
@@OverworkedITGuy Agreed. Michael Garibaldi typifies the complexity of many of the characters. Susan Ivanova and her dealings with PsyCorp is another example, but you're right, G'kar/Londo stand out because it affected not just them, but their cultures and the impact on the wider conflict.
The actors, in particular Peter Jurassic and Andreas Katsulas, were simply outstanding.
The two men who played these roles embodied them completely, masterfully. I Often think about their conversations, Londo's certainty that he and G'kar would literally be the death of each other, the hate between them, G'kar's evolution as a character from a cold, utterly militaristic man to one more focused on ending the suffering of his people, as well as recognizing the threat of the Shadows and Londo's realization that he was a villain, and a chess piece manipulated by the Shadows, and what he did with those realizations as they chipped away at him. Londo and G'kar's stories were beautifully tragic. I also found it odd that I constantly rooted for Londo, not his actions most of the time, but whenever he did something honestly noble or simply nice. I wanted badly for him to rise up and become something better than he was being for much of the show. Peter Jurasik and Andreas Katsulas were masters in their craft working with talented writers. I miss those days.
@@Bastion83 Both actors played multi-dimensional characters who also wanted the best for their people, Katsulas played G'Kar not only as a seasoned warrior and stategist but also someone capable of great compassion. The actions Londo took from S1-3 showed that he had a conscience, but he was always so focused on the "big picture" of making the Centauri a galactic superpower again after their fall from grace, the two best quotes to show this were; "You want to see the diplomatic personnel homeworld has sent me, this (gestures to Vir), this is it" when he tells Garibaldi that he was sent only one attache and "when you arrived, Vir, I was jealous. Because you had come so far and were still so innocent." One scene, having seen himself as a once-great Centauri diplomat he's displeased to have essentially been treated as nothing but a minor "public servant" and the other having turned a corner is trying to support and comfort Vir after he kills Cartagia and knows that what he'd done will always weigh on him.
Ah, my favorite part of my favorite sci-fi series :) I *loved* the dynamic between Londo and G'Kar and the actors were *so* good in their roles.
They were awesome. My favorite episode is the one where G'Kar needs a rare plant for a religious ritual and Londo just happens to keep one in his quarters for the specific purpose of price gouging the hell out of G'Kar should he ever need one for said religious ritual.
I always thought that although Londo did some unspeakable things, he atoned for his history, only to have such a horrible end. He went full circle - antagonist, protagonist, and ultimately one you felt sympathy for.
Nobody in Babylon 5 was perfect. G'Kar started Londo on his path of hatred when he authorized the attack on a Centauri outpost. Sinclair personally warned G'Kar things would spin out of control. Londo's related family was taken in the attack but later released. Londo hated the impotence of the Republic during the incident. That worked perfectly later when a Mr. Morden showed up.
Two of the very best characters on Bablyon 5.
And actors
Londo and G'Kar stuck in the elevator was a great scene.
"they are a dying people, we should let them pass"-Kosh
They are alone.
Sinclair: Who? the Narn or the Centauri?
Kosh: Yes
Haven’t seen this show in about 30 years. Loved it when it was out. I’m due for a serious binge rewatch. Thanks!
I own the DVD set and my buddy and I watch it every year between Xmas and New Years to recover and relax. My sons are now big fans as well and it's become our family "after xmas" routine to get the snacks, drinks in the fridge and let's watch B5. We even have times where we'll say lines from the show to make a point about something utterly unrelated to B5 but is profound enough to matter. The show was FULL of excellent wisdom. Get back to it as soon as you can.
It holds up quite well. So enjoy.
and just as i thought i can't love your channel more, you drop this about my number one fav SciFi-show.
I had the chance to meet the whole cast at Vor-Con back in 1998, when i participated at the World Championship of the CCTC Game with the same name as the show and stayed at the same hotel as the cast.
Not only did they present such a great chemistry on screen, they did so ofscreen, too...
with Bill Mumy playing pranks on Patrica Tallman during their photo shoot to Andrea Thompson (Talia Winters ) painting devils horns and a goatie on the card of Michael Garribaldi for me with glee and later when i showed it to Jerry Doyl,e he laught out loud, this cast just brought us so much joy and fun.
Also Julie Caitlin Brown ( Na'Toth) is just such a peach. I had the pleasure to explain the game to her little brother on the convention ( of cause i had no idea of him being her brother at this time ) and after about 1 hour of us both playing and having fun, she appeared at his side and just sat down with us, just like any normal person would.We hat a little chat and then we all went our way...
a year later, when i and 2 friends of mine volunteered to teach the game on the biggest gaming fair open to the public in Essen, Germany ( my home country of cause 😂) and the three of us went to the hotel of the games publishers to get our exhibition passes for the convention, we had to wait for about an hour. The hotel desk attendee asked us to wait at the bar and we of cause agreed enthusiastically... and the first thing i heard, when we entered the bar was a female shout of my name and then Julie came right to us hugging me, it still flashes me, that she not only remembered my face but also my name after 1 year and only talking to me for about 10 minutes.
Unbeknown to us, the publishers hired her, Claudia Christian ( Susan Ivanova ) and Robert Russler ( Lt. Warren Keffer ) to promote the card game...
thx for getting me down on the memory lane of one of the most precious experiences of my life...
Greetings from Germany
WOW! That is an awesome story! I was (and still am) a big Fan of Babylon 5 and all the various B5 games when I ran a game store in the late 90s. Never knew that there was a World Championship for the B5 tcg. Then again, B5 was MUCH more popular in Europe than in the USA.
I was privileged to have met JMS and Peter Woodward ("Galen" from Crusade) when I ran the Wizards of the Coast Castle at Gen-Con 2000 in Wisconsin. ;)
@@SogoTX thx for taking your time to get on that ride on memory lane with me.
when the Babylon 5 TCG dropped in Germany a friend of mine reached out to Precidence, the game developer, who had called for volunteers to orginaze tournaments all over the world ( their Ranger program 🤣) and my buddy was then in charge of the German competitions ( we had 4 major cities where tournaments happend, Munich, Hamburg, Dortmund and Nurembeerg ( my home town ) and later he distributed the material support of Precidence to all of the European Rangers and not very surprisingliy the first German championship then was held in Erlangen, a neighbor town of mine.
To my surprise i had won that with a flawless victory streak with a Narn Military deck and to a much greater surprise the first place prize was access to the World Champion final tournament in Pomona, flight, hotel and catering all inclusive 😍🤩. there at thursday and friday the qualifying tournament to fill the "end round" where held. As a national champion me, the British, the US, Canadian, Australian and if i remember right South Korean champions all had 2 days to enjoy themselves at the convention and it was on friday i met Julie Caitlin Brown and her brother.
@@belegur8108 That is so cool! When I ran the WOTC Castle at Gen-Con 2000, we debuted Dungeons and Dragons 2.0, and it was incredible! I sold over $250,000 of product in three days on 4 rickety old cash registers. I also got paid in product, so I had 6 cases each of the new Player's Handbooks and Dungeon Master's Guide books. i took them around the Con and used them as trade bait. Needless to say, I was quite popular with the other vendors. I scored SO many games that weekend. 3 factory sets of Star Trek Disc Wars (Called, "Red Alert") . A COMPLETE collection of ALL the books and miniatures of the Babylon 5 Wars strategy minis game from Agents of Gaming, (including an introduction to JMS, so he could sign my main rulebook and Peter Woodward signed his character's B5 TCG card for me). One of each of the main factions' decks of the B5 TCG, and a sheet of 9 cards that were autographed by some of the cast members , and a TON of other swag... Good times! It is also one of my most fond memories as a Gamer. It is good to share those happier times with others that were there in the same era...
Danke' Schon! ;)
The Babylon 5 novel "Blood Oath" has one character think how the entire Narn homeworld was one big prison - the Circles or classes were stratified like castes so it was becoming almost a fossilized society.. same could be said of the hierarchies on Centari Prime.. both cultures were more alike than would admit to.. and were structured like that before the century war. Both stuck in their ways then and without a future as Kosh said..
I was at a wonderful convention b5 years ago but Peter jurassic, he did a wonderful two hou talk and and a session, on a Saturday and Sunday, i went to both and both were different, he was do intelligent and funny, he had wonderful insights, and he relaxed b5 to the real world and history, but revenge and the cycle, was the heart of his talk , he was very good with fans , he talked about his career as well , his big break in hill street blues , great 80s cop show ,
But he did the qna in character, as Londo , he just put on the voice and channeled him ,
My favorite part of the video is where you asked if there are any moments between Londo and G'kar that stand out and then show a screen cap from the very scene that does (the elevator). Perfect :)
My favourite ever series :) Thank you Elaine for this insightful and thoughtful journey into what is perhaps the show's greatest storytelling backdrop and the riveting themes and characters it provides. Londo is so tragic; G'kar so poingant. Truly some of the greatest television we've ever been blessed with
When G'Kar reads Londo's mind and learns his secrets only to be confronted by Kosh... That was a powerful scene.
Of my top 5 favorite TH-camrs Nerd Cookies is three of them.
"No dictator, no invader, can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free." - G'Kar
There was great chemistry with all the cast. Whether you call it Londo and G'Kar or Jurasik and Katsulas' chemistry there are so many good scenes. A moment that stands out for me is before G'Kar finds out about Londo's betrayal and he and buys him a drink, toasting to the Emperor's health and 'Perhaps' to Londo's. The look in Londo's eye as he realises the man standing in front of him need not be an enemy and can be reasoned with. Who is not merely made of bitterness and hate. G'Kar's reaction to the betrayal is heart-wrenching.
That was a great S1 scene, because G'Kar knew the old emperor was willing to allow the Narn to become a free species untethered to the Centauri. As he praised the emperor G'Kar was for the first time not resentful of the Centauri as he was seeing a clear future for his people, it also nicely foreshadows how he and Londo could become equals not tethered to each other by mutual hatred
Thanks for the upload of B5 lore.
The relationship between the Narn and Centauri really is well developed, much like similar relationships in other franchises. The difference though, imho, is the ever changing, very dynamic relationship between Londo and G'kar. It is one of the finest I've ever seen or can remember, and I've been watching sci-fi and other genres forever, (I'm 61). That's how you create a fascinating, engaging, character arc.
It's also nice to see how in S1 there was the joke about G'Kar and Londo being married to each other and during S5E04 two of the maintenance guys refer to them as an "old married couple" before they're old friends and have to kill each other just to free Londo of the Drakh influence
@@andrewmalinowski6673 That was hilarious! Has me laughing now just thinking about it.
The story between them is a masterpiece of storytelling. To the levels that I fear we'll never see again.
What I like about both is where they started and how they progressed to be the emperor and a religious figure. Quite amazing and fabulous writing and character interaction and character development.
Babylon 5 👍🏻 introducing the use of mass drivers in planetary warfare was a great idea.
It's too bad Babylon 5 didn't gain the popularity of DS9. B5 had better science fiction concepts.
“They throw stones.” Was the line.
Also the persistent reliance on Newtonian physics creating artificial gravity in the station itself.
Plus every human dreadnought had a spinning section to simulate gravity.
Plus the human body response to the high-G turns the StarFury Mark-1 was capable of. The machine could perform beyond the pilot’s ability to endure the G-stresses.
Meanwhile every other franchise is using space magic.
But anyone who watches this channel already knows all of this.
@@leafcatcher1715 NASA actually contacted JMS about testing his Starfury designs. They are the most realistic of any sci-fi series at the time. (Expanse surpasses them)
Another great detail was how not only were the physics of mass drivers shown, but also the fact the Centauri were using them in violation of the "terms of war" and it practically made the Republic a war criminal for utilizing the system. The idea of less-advanced species using centripetal force to generate gravity while more advanced species like Minbari had developed the means to synthesize gravity, which also delineates the technological progression between species
Well done! One of my favorite moments was Sheridan, or maybe it was Sinclair, calling out G'kar fir invading other worlds. I think he said something like "you're acting like an abused animal lashing out at anyone in your way"
I think the quote you are looking for goes more? "Your acting like a bullied child finally gown large enough to inflict the same on others and your doing the same to anyone in your way! But I could be wrong, I'm going on memory here? It was Sinclair in season 1 I believe?
@@12crows1 that sounds way more correct
That was Sinclair in the opening episode. He was calling out G'kar's hypocrisy.
In an exceptional cast of characters and stories, Londo and G'Kar had my favorite character arcs over the course of the show as both changed in ways that I had not predicted. Not to mention their dynamic evolved so much of the course of the series that they went from bitter enemies, to rivals (with a mutual respect), to friends by the end.
I loved B5. And that's an understatement.
I didn't know anything about Croatia. But the late Mira Furlan is the reason I wanted to learn more about her homeland.
Peter Jurassic and Andreas Katsulas, whistle not A listers really captured lightning in a bottle together, the heart they (and most others involved) poured into their performances was just out of this world, they gave it all for a "minor" series, but we received.
And what a reception
B5 is my all time favourite show, it captured my soul and heart, I feel so grateful for actors like this to have offered us what they did.
There are a lot of moments between the both of them that I loved throughout the entire five year run, but I think their relationship became strongest and the best at the end towards the end in season five when Londo and Jakar were trying to unravel the mystery of what was going on in the Sari Palace
Londo and G'Kar. These individuals represent so many facets. At one point in time, they showed nothing but hatred and buffoonery. But as a series progressed, they both showed signs of personal growth and vulnerability. Both experienced a fair amount of tragedy and possible redemption. In the end, it took them both to end it all by each other's hands.
I found Lando one of the most compelling characters in B5. His journey from petty, ambitious functionary to brooding ruler of an empire to a broken pawn of forces beyond his control is breathtaking. His evolving relationship with G'Kar is the most interesting part of the series.
love Babylon5. thank you for this content
Marvelous, I loved every episode as they dropped when it was new to the world.
It bites that you didn't get the chance to mention the "Abrahamo Linconi" trick that best emporior did to do a Schindler's Lyst
I love this show!! Londo and G'kar are great characters played by fantastic actors.
Both fullfilled their roles to the next step. The third age.
Love the contrast with G'Kar and Londo being the premier representatives of their people, although G'Kar told Mr. Morden; "The Centauri mined my world, I want to salt their soil" was because he'd been irritated by the periodic question and after he gives into his anger and says what he wants done he calms down enough to wave it off as an idle threat. Londo had felt as if his people had once been the preeeminent race on the galactic stage wished to see their return to glory, but to see the use of mass drivers on the Narn homeworld and realize the woman he'd begun to love (Adira Tyree) being killed by another Centauri noble allowed him to form an alliance of convenience with G'Kar to take out a common enemy.
The best way to encapsulate their species' animosity, after being turned into a "war criminal" and before leaving the council chamber; "There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power, governments and armies and tyrants cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once, we will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years...we will be free." Coming together in mutual desire to seek justice against Cartagia they work together against a common foe and when leaving Londo says; "They have learned that we are leaving and that soon Narn will be free. On that part, good riddance, it was always more trouble than it was worth. It will cause me no amount of trouble back home but, I gave G'Kar my word. I set them free, in nreturn for his help. I will keep my promises."
Oh it goes far deeper than simple hatred for each other for past wartime and occupation. There was the burgeoning friendship that was shattered just it was forming when the Centauri invaded Narn again. Then there was the deep self loathing of Lando as he realized he was getting everything he ever thought he wanted and the knowledge that he would have to play the role that he'd begged to play.
AS can be seen from my avatar I'm a B5 fan. There are so many scenes between the two that it is hard to pick. But, They are stuck in an elevator and a fire is burning nearby:
Londo: I'm tired of my life.
G'Kar: So am I
Both had such great chemistry and yet their conflict made their characters and races so much more nuanced. Two opposing sides, almost a nice allegory to slavery; G'Kar was raised seeing the brutality of those who placed themselves above the "primitive" race they abused, and Londo was used to seeing the Narn as being little more than "beasts" until having to face each other as equals.
Growing from rivals to grudging allies and finally friends, even if neither realized they were mor alike than they wanted to admit
Love this video 😎👍❤️🔥
This show looks a little goofy these days, but it's still one of the best in existence.
Always wondered after finishing this series what it would have been like if they kept G'Kar a more villainous character like he was in the pilot. Keep everything else the same but make that one change.
That speech when he was stripped of his title would have been 🔥 in a very different way.
Thanks Elaine
*_"Can you and your associates arrange that for me Mr. Morden?"_*
Love how Vir knew and simply wanted; "to live long enough to see them stick your head on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some things do come at too high of a price. I want to look up into your lifeless eyes and go (waves fingers). Can your associates do that for me, Mr. Morden?" Such a great quote, as it showed how Vir was both kind and yet knew that whatever Morden wanted could end badly
@@andrewmalinowski6673>>> YES...👍
🤗😏
Peter Jurasik and Andreas Katsulas provided the most amazing chemistry of any set of characters on B5. Londo and G'Kar were the the best written characters on the show bar none.
"No dictor, no invader, can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once, we will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free."
-- G'Kar
I was thinking of this quote, it's been a while since I read that. It shows off how G'Kar knew that being imprisoned was only going to make the Narn more willing to sacrifice themselves just for the sake of dying free, this quote could also be used in DS9 relating to the Bajoran-Cardassian conflict
"They should be pitied, they are on a course for self destruction" - applies to the Narn, they learned nothing as their attack on Centauri Prime proved. Wouldn't surprise me if both were kicked out the alliance in centuries and the Centauri ruled Narn on and off again.
nice, B5 lore. 10/10
J. Michael Straczynski was a genus when it can to the writing of Babylon 5 so many topics hit on and a lot of hidden messages something only sci fi can do. I can see what pisses the Narn's off all that death by the Centari for what resources and to expand there empire its a reoccurring theme in Humanoids we are never satisfied with what we have but as G'Quan would say peace is the only way and G'Kar said it best the Centari should be pitied they are a dying people
And at the last, you must surrender yourself to your greatest fear, knowing that it will destroy you.
Literally just finished Season 4 an hour ago. Are you a teep or something, Cookies?
The Narn are Humans in any first contact war movie….why didn’t I see that before?
*I ❤️ BABYLON 5!!!!!*
the narn were cool
G'Kar and Londo are one of the greatest duos in film. Right up there with Abbott and Costello, Laurel and Hardy, Martin and Lewis, Bing and Bob!!!
B5 was quite good. With the current condition of Hollywood, I hope they don't strip mine this IP too.
Guess you have not heard about the, "reboot" of Babylon 5 with JMS recycling the John Sheridan story arc... and of course, it will be, 'updated" for a, "Modern Audience"... 🤢
Great Maker... please take me out of this mad Universe... 😉
@@SogoTX As the Witcher would say "Fuck."
I thought that Babylon 5 was located in the middle of nowhere.
G’kar and Londo were the best characters on the show in my opinion.
there are so many great ones in that show... and what this show did, was giving us bad ass female characters, that rocked the universe and gave us some of the best lines in the show:
Commander Susan Ivanova: No boom today. Boom tomorrow. There's always a boom tomorrow. What? Look, somebody's got to have some damn perspective around here! Boom. Sooner or later. BOOM!
Delenn ( when threatened by an Earth Alliance cruiser captain to leave the Babylon 5 space: Why not? Only one human captain has ever survived battle with a Minbari Fleet. He is behind me. You are in front of me. If you value your lives, be somewhere else!
@@belegur8108 Yeah you’re right. A lot of great casting. That’s one thing that could hurt a remake, there are big shoes to fill in the casting department.