Joe is a horrible commentator anyways. He's suppose to explain how the fight is progressing but he talk about his feelings "ooooh!" and "wow my god woooh! Look at that! oooh!" but how did the fight go? was is a punch of kick?
@@crellocthey both reset and Jamal threw the first punch after time in. Alex made no forward movement during the time out as we just saw. I’m a Rogan fan from way back but he is wrong on this
@@chillinwithdillonhill also throws the first punch after the fight resumes so i don’t see his point at all tbh. He literally gets KO’ed because he eats a clean counter… anything to try and get a rematch I guess
The only problem with it is the call definitely affected the flow of the fight, had Herb not made the call I’d be bet my balls the fight would have went longer, same results I’d also bet just later in the fight.
@Sean-zz2lj idk pereira was closing the distance. I think the ball kick was a subconscious move by jamahal to get some space. Not specifically on the balls but a sloppy , reckless kick.
Alex countered the cross that Jamal threw meaning he was ready. It was painful having to listen to JR talk about how Jamal wasn't ready on his podcast.
why are yall surprised, Joe and them just be saying anything on that pod, Joe is the same person who tried explaining Boxing to Mike Tyson on their episode 😂😂
@@fr3dv103 please do explain what Joe's point was with his comments? "I need an umbrella or at least a hoodie and you should get one also before you go outside". Did I state it's raining outside? No, yet IMHO 95%+ would walkaway with the understanding that it is raining outside.
@@Zobokolobozoyeah I had been saying that in the comments on Jamal's podcast every time you throw that straight left you better keep your right hand up protecting your face cuz you're bad about dropping your hands when you throw a straight left and that's exactly what happened he threw the straight left with his right hand down to his waist like he always does you can't do that against a striker like Alex you know that man has seen Jamahal's fights and noticed that as well or he wouldn't have jumped in so sure of himself that it was gonna be open to that shovel hook
@mph38 lmao hill threw the first left hand after the stop, they touched gloves beforehand- and herb dean himself has a video talking about how alex never moved forward after herb made the T with his hands. ?????
@@smartalick87 first of all it's through not "threw". Second, you can clearly see hill let his guard down because herb dean called a timeout!! You can't just call a timeout and then cancel it. Hill deserves an immediate rematch. At best it should have been ruled a no contest
100%. Herb explained it perfectly. Joe Rogan sounds so sincere when giving the worst takes in MMA. The fight was 100% restarted and Jamal Hill got beat the same as Sean Strickland, Jiri, and loads of other people who couldn't handle that power.
He’s so bad that if you just listen to the audio and do t watch the fight, you’ll be thinking one guy is beating the other, when in actuality it’s the opposite. It’s annoying, and it happens when he likes one guy better than the other.
@@choccolocco He also analyses in the way he predicted the match would unfold. If he thinks someone is going to gas out he'll narrate as if they are gassing out. MMA Che had a good video about Rogan doing that to McGregor.
I'm a casual fan too but there's no way I'm ever giving an opinion. I know my lane and I'll stay in it. Nothing worse than casuals that think they know more than everyone else. Casuals should be asking questions and watching.
@@misterg2201that's not Joe's point at all. Joe's fictional point is that Pereira didn't stop fighting when time is called and he knocked Hill out when Hill has stopped defending himself. It's not true, but that's what Joe is referring to
@@RobinGooskens You obviously misinterpreted what Joe meant. He didn't mean he didn't stop fighting literally. He means that Pereira didn't get out of the groove or flow state that he was in, Jamahal did. Which is true. Pretty clear
@@BeardOfPower7 Nonsense, as Hill went straight back into "fight mode" after the thumbs up and glove touch he gave Pereira. I don't know why Rogan was insinuating that Hill was not ready, because he clearly is.
People don't give him enough credits. He has been a pioneer in a brand new sport where the rules are sometimes unclear. The guy has been an amazing professional. Sure he made mistakes but overall he deserves to be appreciated for his professionalism. We will not see the likes of him when he retires. He is to refereeing what Jon Jones is to MMA.
Rogan got it right when he said Pereira took a step forward. Herb got it right when he said nobody moved when he called time. It was clean as a whistle. Hill can piss off
As a whistle? I wouldn’t say so. I don’t think it’s enough of a mistake to make a big deal about however, Jamal made a good point when he said after protect yourself at all times, it’s obey my commands at all times. Alex pretty much told herb what to do in that moment.
@@troysumrall7083 Time was not called right after the low blow. Time was called when the ref called it a moment later. This is the only one that shows the refs mouth, if you watch, he hops as the ref is opening his mouth so that hop does not count, and he does not move forward again, not one bit. There was a double hop after the low blow but hes allowed that. He can move forward till the ref says time. He doesnt even know if the ref will call time, maybe the ref missed it. Thats why they paused the video where they did and showed no movement forward, its the start of time out.
I’ve been saying this for years but Rogan is NOT an analyst. He’s a salesmen for the UFC. He doesn’t “say what he sees” like he claims, he “says what the UFC wants you to see”
I think your analysis of Joe isn't right based on his track record... he says what he sees and thinks of something but he isn't perfect with it I mean shit he has never fought in a mma match
So what is Joe "blatantly" wrong about? He's basically just narrating the video and Everythinf he said, happened in the clip. So wtf are ypu talking about dumb dumb
Herb was not an elite striker in his days but Joe was, now not defending hill it’s protect urself all times, I’m defending rogan. When are fighting with an elite 2 division glory kickboxing champion like Alex these inches matter. After all striking is a game of inches and estimation.
Ye if he did that then he shoulda pointed out that dc poked the shit outta STIPE’S eye at UFC 226 and hit him there on the same side to finish the fight but never points it out
Rogan assumes things al the time. The worst is when he gets something in his head and WILL NOT drop it: e.g. "I think that leg's compromised...." so he spends the next few minutes verbally looking for signs of it to prove himself right. Rather than, you know, commentating. I like Herb, but he's far from perfect. I also like Hardy, who also has some issues. I think it would be fine if there was a bit more open discourse around this sport without the hype/ narrative getting in the way of simple conversation.
Herb Dean and Dan Hardy, two of the best characters in the UFC orbit. They had a go at each other that one time, and I really think it should have just been let go and moved on. The way Dana hates anyone appreciating other combat leagues, like Ariel Heelwani did, leads him to find any next excuse to dump them, like Hardy.
@@dezignateddriva Completely agree- I think they should have let them have a conversation/ interview later on, made their points, agreed or not and gotten on with it. Hardy had that other incident in Abu Dhabi but no one seems to know the truth about it.
@@dezignateddriva The difference is that what Dan Hardy did, though it almost certainly wasn't his intention, is fight-fixing. If a commentator that works for the UFC demands that the referee, who is contracted by the athletic commission, end the fight and the referee does it, then that means that the UFC called the result of the fight. That's illegal. Even if the referee called the fight by his own judgment, not listening to the commentator at all, the result of the fight is now called into question. This opens up the UFC to a ton of legal problems, likely resulting in them being banned from holding competitions under that athletic commission (i.e.- in that state/country). Other commissions will also take note of this and may choose not to work with the UFC, either. Worse, the UFC may actually be taken down because they engaged in fight-fixing, and socially, they would almost certainly lose a ton of the fan-base who would no longer trust any fight wasn't being fixed. Heck, there are already a ton of people that say the UFC fixes fights. THAT'S why Dan Hardy was fired.
@@gonufcironic you talking about Rogan getting stuff in his head an not letting it go I’d bet money this isn’t the first time you’ve mentioned this probably not even the 2nd or 3rd. I have a question for you what do the fighters react to the command stop or the hands? Do you think he said time first then put his hands up? Do you think there is any chance the hops happen after the time words are said? He’s using your eyes here to lie to you I trust my ears an eyes over just my eyes
Hill shouldn't have kicked in the nuts. Alex had the prerogative of waving Herb off, he was the one that was fouled. Hill could have skipped back a couple steps or said sorry and glove touched if he needed a reset. He did neither, but kept throwing punches. His fault.
Exactlt Hill initiated the fault so he was in no position to decide how long of a break was needed. Pereira clearly didnt' want a break and both touched gloves which meant the fight was on. Why exactly should Hill get a rest for committing a fault. IF Alex initiated the fault, then Hill might have had a point although he would still be in the wrong for signaling to fight on by touching gloves.
He did step but herb hadn't called time yet. He was advancing toward both fighters to call time while saying something and that's when the small hop step was taken. Alex never came out of fight mode, hill did
@@DanielA-ol7rp What OP said is true though. Alex hopped while herb was calling stop. Its no different to someone landing a punch after the bell because they were already in motion before the bell. He literally stops dead in his tracks to wave off herb and then they touch gloves and alex moves forwards more.
@@callanc3925 the problem is that Herb puts up the time-out sign & then allows Alex to decide to keep fighting by pushing him away. Alex isn't the ref, Herb was supposed to be. Hill also should've asked for them to be properly separated instead of dapping up gloves when he's a few feet from his back being on the cage. It was a bad situation that gave Alex an advantage, that he capitalized on
@@nolongerblocked6210 BS. Alex didn't want to lose focus. He was in ready mode but not fighting mode. Jamal lost too much focus and he was the one who initiated the fault. He had no say in how much time was needed for recovery. Alex decided that. Once the gloves were touched. It was game on.
@@TemplarX2 hilarious, you admit I'm right in your own comment & don't realize it. I'll say it again, maybe it'll sink in this time, Alex isn't the referee. Alex should not be the one saying "fights on" by pushing Herb away. Once the timeout signal is given they're supposed to be properly separated, period. They're not supposed to be started by Alex with half the ring cutoff. It was a veteran move by Alex, but Herb allowed it & Jamahall didn't protest.. so it happened but it shouldn't have
Joe rogan has some dangerous takes. Not dangerous in a normal sense but you know how many people believed him over their own eyes? And why? Because no one was there to correct Joe. Imagine a guest saying "OK joe I respect you but you are completely wrong. Jamie pull it up" and show Joe the actual video
@user-un1bs9lo7v I've heard plenty of people correct him or people come out after and correct him. Can't say it's just Joe, if dc said something wrong it's unlikely hell be correct, same felder or dom
Except that he absolutely described nothing. Nothing that he described happened. Pereira DID NOT GAIN ANY ADVANTAGE WHILE THE TIME WAS OUT, PEREIRA DID NOT THROW THE FIRST PUNCH, BOTH OF THEM NOT ONLY TOUCHED GLOVES, BUT JAMAHAL GAVE THE THUMBS UP.
Which, btw, is one of the things he shouldn't do there against that particular fighter, who is known for countering very fast. So... Skill issue literally. It's the type of thing your coach will ask you later.
It wasn't a double hop, it was one hop as the ref reached to stop him, so more like as he called time out but before they paused in this clip. Idk I don't think it was an advantage
@@salsavillo9146facts! I agree. just sucks to see anyone get knocked out after an odd exchange and a called off break from alex 🤣i like hill and periera
Herb - "be so honest that you dismiss jamahal's claims even if it compromises sales to validate how good of a job i did" Herb handled this perfectly. No need to validate yourself but i am glad i got to see him watch it and stand by his decision.
Herbs a good ref but he makes mistakes like every other ref. He should have done a proper reset and should have seen that Pereira had closed the distance while he was calling time. Jamahal is still being a bitch about it tho. He was defending well up until that point which is why you’d understand his frustration
@@blackscreen1810 Key word in there "closed the distance *while* he was calling time." He didnt close it after he called time. He was already in motion. He literally stopped dead to wave off herb and then touched gloves before moving in any meaningful way.
@@callanc3925 like I said herb should have done a proper reset. Pereria hadn’t touched Jamahal until that point. Do u really think it’s a coincidence that he got KOed right after this happened. Pereria knew what he was doing. Smart move and Herb should have seen it. You don’t signal for a low blow and then move forward into range. That makes no sense.
That's a whole Internet problem, not an American phenomenon, and it comes with running a show like his. In the grand scheme of things, Joe Rogan isn't really all that bad at it. Like everyone in the world, he has some cringe takes, but he frequently has guests on who disagree with him, and I've never seen him silence guests, so he gets clapback. That's 10x what I can say about a lot of talk shows. I mean, what are we saying here? It sucks that he is saying something he thinks is right? Isn't that what everyone does all the time?
All the American commentators are bias when it comes to Americans, if you don’t believe me just look out for it. You have to realise people like dc are still heavily involved in the sport and know a lot of these people that’s all I think it is. Everyone has a little bias
@@Yeshuaspupil if it’s a close fight they’ll try sway it to the American, I actually watched a fight not long ago that dc changed the actual decision of the fight after getting in the cage and the fight was over, that wouldn’t happen to anyone rlse but americans
Bingo! Someone gets it!! Herb's supposed to be the ref, not Alex. Once Herb puts up the timeout signal he should've properly separated them. Instead he allowed Alex to decide the fights still on. Alex pulled a veteran move & got a slight advantage & took it. All that happened in about 7-10 seconds. I understand Hill's complaint, Alex essentially restarted the fight with over half the cage cutoff so it made it much harder for Hill to circle away
@nolongerblocked6210 With the fighters at this level it only takes a half second of doubt to open one up to a devastating KO. Hill is a great fighter and I know he will perform well when he climbs back up the rankings to face Alex again.
@Queazyboot3 of course. Bur refs have a duty to be clear in their instructions and be the ultimate authority figure in that cage. It's a lesson learned by Hill, hopefully.
@@GSPfan2112 Herb says stop and walks between them, Alex waves that he was good, Herb backs up and says continue and motions to fight, then Jamahal and Alex touch gloves and Jamahal backs up and is to slow to counter Alex's left. Herb was clear, Jamahal just wasn't on Alex's level.
You can see pereira closed the distances with that double hop ever so slightly, right as Herb is calling timeout. It’s cheeky, but it’s no way Pereiras fault for taking what’s in front of him. Herb didn’t give a proper break/resume in action. End of the day Jamahal is just a clown for letting his guard down and relaxing so much with a killer right in front of him. He was looking to apologize to pereira after the foul and ease back into the fight, stood still as he commited the foul meanwhile pereiras double hopping over, got him stuck against the fence and jamahal didn’t even know it.
As a referee, you are supposed to check if the one hit by the low blow is ok. When the fighter says he is good, you let them fight. Rogan is doing this for attention & hype. Herb is simply putting food in his table.
Joe isn't saying Jamel wasn't ready . he's saying peria moved into a better position to get the knock out. I dont believe it was herbs fault. more of Jamal not adjusting when his opponent moved forward during the breif timeout.
Well, to anyone who actually watched the fight, Pereira pushed Herb Dean away, so it's not absurd to think it might have disrupted the flow in Pereira's favor. And I don't know that Pereira was actually allowed to do that, Herb Dean has the right to step in whenever he wants and Pereira kind of denied him that. This whole sequence was unusual for sure so it's not surprising that there are diverging views on it.
The fighters know it was a accident, no damage done, no drama needed. In sports like football they behave like drama queens not athletes. MMA fighter are the toughest athletes.
I've been telling people this since the day it happened. Not only was Hill absolutely ready to fight again, but he even backstepped to maintain a distance he wanted AND threw a punch first.
I’ve been saying ever since I heard him on the podcast that it was a clean KO with no bs. Rogan also said he Jamal was keeping Alex at kicking range the entire fight until that happened. When in reality, they were actually tapping each other’s lead hands almost the entire match. Just like my boxing coach always said , “if I can touch you, I can hit you.”
They're both right, the fight was stopped due to a perceived low kick, Jamal did relax and Pereira was advancing as they touched gloves and got the knockout. Ideally Jamal would have stayed ready
Herb absolutely did the correct thing there. I gotta be honest, huge Joe Rogan fan… but it seems like when the podcast blew up his commentary started to lack. I’d rather listen to Paul Felder and Michael Bisping at this point. You can keep Dominick Cruz and Anthony Smith though…
![[UNCUT] The Loyal Pin ปิ่นภักดิ์ EP.6 (2/4)](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/GgeGQOP10RQ/mqdefault.jpg)
Herb did a good job here.
Jamal got ko-ed and looked for an excuse after.
worst ref in mma
@@mikekoz6351just not true
@@mikekoz6351 tell us you just started watching UFC without ACTUALLY saying it.... You've obviously never heard of Mario yamasaki or marc Goddard
@mikekoz6351 Doesn't matter if he is the worst or the best.
The video is about this one situation, nothing else.
@@mikekoz6351best ref in mma and it’s not close
My favourite part is jamahal threw the first punch after the fight got resumed yet complained about not being ready
Facts
What was he supposed to do? He reacted was he supposed to climb out the cage or call a timeout
@@jaryncoleman208 im not saying he was wrong but if you throw first youre clearly ready aint you
@@Zanohxpeirera made 2 feet on the time out he a cheater and come form a open sky dump named brazil
@@mange.du.pain1999dude, what? Are you okay?
Joe spoke out his ass and got called out so politely 😂
He seems to be really good at that
Bro joegan speaking our his ass? Who would've ever thought!? 😂
Rogan: elite asstalkeroutter
@@Mechadondada 🤣👍
Joe is a horrible commentator anyways. He's suppose to explain how the fight is progressing but he talk about his feelings "ooooh!" and "wow my god woooh! Look at that! oooh!" but how did the fight go? was is a punch of kick?
Rogan is notorious for being wrong but speaking with such confidence he has you thinking what he says is a 100% proven fact.
He did hop twice if you look closely lol
@@crellocs eyes are covered by rogans pubes.
@@crellocbut they reset and were both ready when the fight resumed.
@@crellocthey both reset and Jamal threw the first punch after time in. Alex made no forward movement during the time out as we just saw. I’m a Rogan fan from way back but he is wrong on this
He's trying not to be bias. Joe always compliment alex.
First rule of combat sports. Protect yourself at all times.
Cheap shit by Alex. Ref stopped the fight and he uses the opportunity to close the distance. Hill wins 9/10 times
@@tedium37 it wasn't a low kick you ding bat
@@mph38 you can’t make that argument. They touched gloves and Hill threw first punch. 🤦🏽♂️
@@tPsychedelic I just like rage baiting UFC fans because y'all get so offended 😭😭😭🤦♂️🤓🫵
@@tedium37 UFC fans get rage baited so easily 💀💀💀
He touched gloves...the universal sign for "game on"
Literally every gym knows this expect Jamal apparently lol
Yea They touched gloves twice clearly he should’ve been ready
@@chillinwithdillonhill also throws the first punch after the fight resumes so i don’t see his point at all tbh. He literally gets KO’ed because he eats a clean counter… anything to try and get a rematch I guess
The only problem with it is the call definitely affected the flow of the fight, had Herb not made the call I’d be bet my balls the fight would have went longer, same results I’d also bet just later in the fight.
@Sean-zz2lj idk pereira was closing the distance. I think the ball kick was a subconscious move by jamahal to get some space. Not specifically on the balls but a sloppy , reckless kick.
Jamal was 100% totally back into the fight. There was no ambiguity. He was not caught off guard.
💯
When alex was coming closer and closer, it looked like Hill Throw the punch out of fear .He didn't try to set up anything and payed for it
Alex countered the cross that Jamal threw meaning he was ready. It was painful having to listen to JR talk about how Jamal wasn't ready on his podcast.
He got...... STRACHED!!!!!!! As Joe Rogan would say.
@alexgarcia7097 wouldn't say out of fear, its really early into the first round.....hill isnt gonna throwin combos
Herb was spot on. Jamal was not disadvantaged. Jamal touched gloves with Alex signifying he was ready. He was ready and got knocked out.
why are yall surprised, Joe and them just be saying anything on that pod, Joe is the same person who tried explaining Boxing to Mike Tyson on their episode 😂😂
Lol that was diabolical! Out of anyone Mike Tyson... just stop while you're ahead right!
💯
Try harder mate.
and cried talking to ronda rousey
Aye she could beat Floyd Mayweather...For real@andrewtregoning
Honestly, I like Joe, but he is not always right. Jamal signaled that he was ready to fight when he touched gloves with Alex. It was a fair KO.
If any of ya watched the full pod he didn't say it wasn't a fair ko
💯
@@fr3dv103but he said Alex didn't stop. Alex did stop. Joe was wrong.
Far from it many times.. hes just trained in speaking well so people each that bs up lol
@@fr3dv103 please do explain what Joe's point was with his comments? "I need an umbrella or at least a hoodie and you should get one also before you go outside". Did I state it's raining outside? No, yet IMHO 95%+ would walkaway with the understanding that it is raining outside.
This is a perfect example of "protect yourself at all times"
this is a perfect example of next time just be quiet because this is not your brother who doesn't train, and you could be embarrassed horrible.🤣
Floyd mayweather fight
Bro Jamal threw first he was ready he just threw.. exactly what alex was anticipating
Jamal’s complaint is that it’s also “obey all of my commands”.
@@Mechanics-MMA It sounds like you're talking about someone specific. care to elaborate?
Bro got countered so fast it looks like he didn’t try to throw the first punch but watch the slowmo😂
Alex deadly with that counter left hook. It looks like a reflex/instinct. An eye blink.
Jamal dont belong on the feet with Alex. Man has a terrible gameplan poor technique and it got exposed simple as that.
yes sitting at homes its so easy to judge. not so easy life and under preassure
@@johnwalkowiak2002 take a nap my brudda
@@Zobokolobozoyeah I had been saying that in the comments on Jamal's podcast every time you throw that straight left you better keep your right hand up protecting your face cuz you're bad about dropping your hands when you throw a straight left and that's exactly what happened he threw the straight left with his right hand down to his waist like he always does you can't do that against a striker like Alex you know that man has seen Jamahal's fights and noticed that as well or he wouldn't have jumped in so sure of himself that it was gonna be open to that shovel hook
Protect yourself at all times, Jamal wasn't caught off guard, he just can't admit that he got knocked the fuck out.
and thats the truth! wit some cheese on it!
Cheap shit by Alex. Ref stopped the fight and he uses the opportunity to close the distance. Hill wins 9/10 times
@mph38 lmao hill threw the first left hand after the stop, they touched gloves beforehand- and herb dean himself has a video talking about how alex never moved forward after herb made the T with his hands. ?????
@@smartalick87 first of all it's through not "threw". Second, you can clearly see hill let his guard down because herb dean called a timeout!! You can't just call a timeout and then cancel it. Hill deserves an immediate rematch. At best it should have been ruled a no contest
@@mph38 lmao u trolling
Jamal gave that hand tap for 'I'm ready to go to sleep now'🗿
Herb is one of the best refs out there. probably the best....
Big John imo
@@hanzgruber9625 when was the last time John actually reffed a fight...?
Yes and even he's made some questionable decisions. Just shows that he's human.
@@csnide6702 Whats your point? Thats not what we're talking about
Mark Smith is the best right now imo
100%. Herb explained it perfectly. Joe Rogan sounds so sincere when giving the worst takes in MMA. The fight was 100% restarted and Jamal Hill got beat the same as Sean Strickland, Jiri, and loads of other people who couldn't handle that power.
This. 100% right
He’s so bad that if you just listen to the audio and do t watch the fight, you’ll be thinking one guy is beating the other, when in actuality it’s the opposite.
It’s annoying, and it happens when he likes one guy better than the other.
@@choccolocco He also analyses in the way he predicted the match would unfold. If he thinks someone is going to gas out he'll narrate as if they are gassing out. MMA Che had a good video about Rogan doing that to McGregor.
wasn’t the worst take, but I still agree with Herb Dean
@@choccoloccohe d rides bjj guys severely u ever watch topuria v the one bjj guy when Joe was d riding the guy who looked like a moron
Herb is right here. And this sentiment goes far beyond the MMA world…
But joe wasn't wrong
@@izzy031096 he just doesn't want to admit that he screwed jamahal hill. Alex got handed that win
Big facts. My friend who thinks he knows something bout mma but is a super casual,always judges fights based off rogans commentary
That's crazy work
I'm a casual fan too but there's no way I'm ever giving an opinion. I know my lane and I'll stay in it.
Nothing worse than casuals that think they know more than everyone else.
Casuals should be asking questions and watching.
That’s majority of MMA fans. Me included LMFAO
if rogan said swallowing makes you live longer then your friend would be g...
Most emotional music for a regular convo, very nice
You can tell that Herb is absolutely sick of the criticism against him. He's by far the best ref out here.
Jamal actually did the “you good” thumb up himself and nodded his head like “ok then let’s go.”
not to mention the FOUR glove touches before the knockout. Ridiculous people are even talking about this.
Joe's point is that Pieirera moved 2 steps closer to Jamal during the time out/thumbs up/touching glvoes
@@misterg2201that's not Joe's point at all.
Joe's fictional point is that Pereira didn't stop fighting when time is called and he knocked Hill out when Hill has stopped defending himself.
It's not true, but that's what Joe is referring to
@@RobinGooskens You obviously misinterpreted what Joe meant. He didn't mean he didn't stop fighting literally. He means that Pereira didn't get out of the groove or flow state that he was in, Jamahal did. Which is true. Pretty clear
@@BeardOfPower7 Nonsense, as Hill went straight back into "fight mode" after the thumbs up and glove touch he gave Pereira.
I don't know why Rogan was insinuating that Hill was not ready, because he clearly is.
Sport is much better because of Herb Dean. Sport is blessed to have him!!
People don't give him enough credits. He has been a pioneer in a brand new sport where the rules are sometimes unclear. The guy has been an amazing professional. Sure he made mistakes but overall he deserves to be appreciated for his professionalism. We will not see the likes of him when he retires. He is to refereeing what Jon Jones is to MMA.
My favorite MMA referee
@@TemplarX2 great points
Rogan got it right when he said Pereira took a step forward. Herb got it right when he said nobody moved when he called time. It was clean as a whistle. Hill can piss off
As a whistle? I wouldn’t say so. I don’t think it’s enough of a mistake to make a big deal about however, Jamal made a good point when he said after protect yourself at all times, it’s obey my commands at all times. Alex pretty much told herb what to do in that moment.
@@GgCashh451No, Alex told Herb he’s okay and does not need a time out for a foul committed against him.
No. Rogan said Alex double hop which he didn’t if you have eyes
😂😂😂😂😂
@@0P9ine& ears apparently
Herb is so good in the Khabib and Conor fight. The fight was so clean, no violations were called 😂😭😁
Best ref in the game, hands down.
the glove touch between them should literally dispute whatever joe is trying to say it’d be different if they didn’t acknowledge eachother
Hill also through the first punch so that's even more dispute
Do you mean, he "threw"?@armandomorelos2500
@@aychirouchiwa8791obviously
Joe in no way in the interview said anything was wrong about it he just is explaining what happened
@@zentnium3801he said pereira double hopped during the stoppage, he did it after
Herb Dean is a one of a kind legend!
Jamal even throw a straight left when he got caught.
100%
"the truth doesn't matter" hit super hard
I have no dog in the fight, however the guy to the right clearly advances after the "stop"
Dude, watch it. He stopped and actually took a step back. Watch it again
Pereira def advanced but it was before they restarted the match you can clearly see it from a different angle it was right after the low blow
@@troysumrall7083 Time was not called right after the low blow. Time was called when the ref called it a moment later. This is the only one that shows the refs mouth, if you watch, he hops as the ref is opening his mouth so that hop does not count, and he does not move forward again, not one bit. There was a double hop after the low blow but hes allowed that. He can move forward till the ref says time. He doesnt even know if the ref will call time, maybe the ref missed it. Thats why they paused the video where they did and showed no movement forward, its the start of time out.
@@geroutathat touch gloves means fight is back on,end of story.if dude wasnt ready he shouldnt have touched gloves,nor should he have been fouling.
Joe gets a lot right but when he’s wrongs it’s usually absolutely ridiculously wrong.
Like how he said Ronda was an amazing striker and could beat many men in the UFC etc.
Joe barely gets anything right tbh
@folksurvival I lost any respect I had for Joe back then. It doesn't get much more ridiculous than that. He was talking like a feminist.
@@folksurvival Yeah I know right lol she's more of a strong grappler and I can't speak on defeating many men tbh!
Wait. Rogan gets most of the stuff he talks about wrong. What are you talking about 😅
I’ve been saying this for years but Rogan is NOT an analyst.
He’s a salesmen for the UFC. He doesn’t “say what he sees” like he claims, he “says what the UFC wants you to see”
I think your analysis of Joe isn't right based on his track record... he says what he sees and thinks of something but he isn't perfect with it I mean shit he has never fought in a mma match
He has an agenda.
Joe needs to discuss this with Dean on the pod 🫛
Jamal was not protecting his chin. That’s not Herb’s fault. Joe Rogan should know better.
He just explained Joes entire career.
Rogan is blatantly wrong, Jamal even throws the forst hand after the stoppage. Perreira just flattened Jamal
So what is Joe "blatantly" wrong about? He's basically just narrating the video and Everythinf he said, happened in the clip. So wtf are ypu talking about dumb dumb
Herb was not an elite striker in his days but Joe was, now not defending hill it’s protect urself all times, I’m defending rogan. When are fighting with an elite 2 division glory kickboxing champion like Alex these inches matter. After all striking is a game of inches and estimation.
I would have to listen back again, but I think Joe actually prefaced that with Jamal thinks he was screwed over and then presented Jamal's argument.
@@parakrambasnet6317 in what world has Joe ever been remotely elite striker
@@parakrambasnet6317Only elite striker in Joe's body is his mouth.
That's 100% right, Joe R. walks around like he has to find rabbit holes everywhere...
I love joe rogan but that’s true
Ye if he did that then he shoulda pointed out that dc poked the shit outta STIPE’S eye at UFC 226 and hit him there on the same side to finish the fight but never points it out
@@SkuddMartin Don't forget to pull his pants up after you're finished.
@@SkuddMartinPull his pants up after you're done.
@@SkuddMartin Clean your face bro you've got something white all over your face.
Rogan assumes things al the time. The worst is when he gets something in his head and WILL NOT drop it: e.g. "I think that leg's compromised...." so he spends the next few minutes verbally looking for signs of it to prove himself right. Rather than, you know, commentating.
I like Herb, but he's far from perfect. I also like Hardy, who also has some issues. I think it would be fine if there was a bit more open discourse around this sport without the hype/ narrative getting in the way of simple conversation.
Herb Dean and Dan Hardy, two of the best characters in the UFC orbit. They had a go at each other that one time, and I really think it should have just been let go and moved on.
The way Dana hates anyone appreciating other combat leagues, like Ariel Heelwani did, leads him to find any next excuse to dump them, like Hardy.
@@dezignateddriva Completely agree- I think they should have let them have a conversation/ interview later on, made their points, agreed or not and gotten on with it.
Hardy had that other incident in Abu Dhabi but no one seems to know the truth about it.
@@dezignateddriva The difference is that what Dan Hardy did, though it almost certainly wasn't his intention, is fight-fixing.
If a commentator that works for the UFC demands that the referee, who is contracted by the athletic commission, end the fight and the referee does it, then that means that the UFC called the result of the fight. That's illegal.
Even if the referee called the fight by his own judgment, not listening to the commentator at all, the result of the fight is now called into question. This opens up the UFC to a ton of legal problems, likely resulting in them being banned from holding competitions under that athletic commission (i.e.- in that state/country). Other commissions will also take note of this and may choose not to work with the UFC, either. Worse, the UFC may actually be taken down because they engaged in fight-fixing, and socially, they would almost certainly lose a ton of the fan-base who would no longer trust any fight wasn't being fixed. Heck, there are already a ton of people that say the UFC fixes fights.
THAT'S why Dan Hardy was fired.
@@alarson1799 no
@@gonufcironic you talking about Rogan getting stuff in his head an not letting it go I’d bet money this isn’t the first time you’ve mentioned this probably not even the 2nd or 3rd. I have a question for you what do the fighters react to the command stop or the hands? Do you think he said time first then put his hands up? Do you think there is any chance the hops happen after the time words are said? He’s using your eyes here to lie to you I trust my ears an eyes over just my eyes
That's the best description of Joe Rogan I've ever heard in my life. Nice work, Herb.
Yea that's Crazy. Bruh closed to distance so quickly. 🥊💯
Jamal threw a left straight, Missed, and got countered by Alex’s left hook. That’s that.
Hill shouldn't have kicked in the nuts. Alex had the prerogative of waving Herb off, he was the one that was fouled.
Hill could have skipped back a couple steps or said sorry and glove touched if he needed a reset. He did neither, but kept throwing punches. His fault.
Exactlt Hill initiated the fault so he was in no position to decide how long of a break was needed. Pereira clearly didnt' want a break and both touched gloves which meant the fight was on. Why exactly should Hill get a rest for committing a fault. IF Alex initiated the fault, then Hill might have had a point although he would still be in the wrong for signaling to fight on by touching gloves.
Thank you 👏
He did step but herb hadn't called time yet. He was advancing toward both fighters to call time while saying something and that's when the small hop step was taken. Alex never came out of fight mode, hill did
Truth doesn’t matter these days ppl just 🍆🚴♂️ The winner
@@DanielA-ol7rp What OP said is true though. Alex hopped while herb was calling stop. Its no different to someone landing a punch after the bell because they were already in motion before the bell. He literally stops dead in his tracks to wave off herb and then they touch gloves and alex moves forwards more.
@@callanc3925 the problem is that Herb puts up the time-out sign & then allows Alex to decide to keep fighting by pushing him away. Alex isn't the ref, Herb was supposed to be. Hill also should've asked for them to be properly separated instead of dapping up gloves when he's a few feet from his back being on the cage. It was a bad situation that gave Alex an advantage, that he capitalized on
@@nolongerblocked6210 BS. Alex didn't want to lose focus. He was in ready mode but not fighting mode. Jamal lost too much focus and he was the one who initiated the fault. He had no say in how much time was needed for recovery. Alex decided that. Once the gloves were touched. It was game on.
@@TemplarX2 hilarious, you admit I'm right in your own comment & don't realize it. I'll say it again, maybe it'll sink in this time, Alex isn't the referee. Alex should not be the one saying "fights on" by pushing Herb away. Once the timeout signal is given they're supposed to be properly separated, period. They're not supposed to be started by Alex with half the ring cutoff. It was a veteran move by Alex, but Herb allowed it & Jamahall didn't protest.. so it happened but it shouldn't have
The truth does matter. Integrity matters. Compromising your moral integrity for money is something a lot of people do, but not everyone.
Yes, Herb. Finally someone said it. The truth was distorted. "their job is to get clicks" PERFECTION
Stuff like this is why Herb is my favorite UFC ref
Same
Zip Herb up when you're done
@@nolongerblocked6210 nah he stays unzipped waiting for you
@@lospolloshermanos69 you're the only one glazing him & calling him your favorite, cope 🤣🤣🤣
Jamal is the one convincing people, you wanna believe him. Then you watch and realize, he clearly felt the tap.
😂 Rogan to Overeem : well let's watch that back..😂
Joe rogan has some dangerous takes. Not dangerous in a normal sense but you know how many people believed him over their own eyes? And why? Because no one was there to correct Joe. Imagine a guest saying "OK joe I respect you but you are completely wrong. Jamie pull it up" and show Joe the actual video
I think what you meant to say about people is that alot of people are sheep and can't discerne for themselves, maybe they're lazy.
It was in a podcast with Max Holloway, and max disagreed with him
There is people there to correct him, problem is it happens in real time they need to rewatch it to be sure most of the time
@user-un1bs9lo7v so your saying this because you don't like his views outside of fighting really?
@user-un1bs9lo7v I've heard plenty of people correct him or people come out after and correct him. Can't say it's just Joe, if dc said something wrong it's unlikely hell be correct, same felder or dom
He hops in as Rogan calls time, which proves Rogan right
Rogan is seeing periera keep his energy in flow, whereas other dude had stopped on his back foot and went stationary
There's an element of this applicable, but the refs fault, no, it's the fighter that didn't take some time at fault
One is World Class, the other one dont belong, simple as that 😊
@@markfernandes11Jamahall is absolutely world class. He's a champ too.
I don’t think Joe was blaming Herb for anything, he was just describing the exchange.
Except he made up what happened
@@SupremeGrandmasterAzrael1Nope. Rewind it again
Joes discussion is about the result of herbs actions, hence why herb is addressing that discussion.
Your reaching.
Except that he absolutely described nothing. Nothing that he described happened. Pereira DID NOT GAIN ANY ADVANTAGE WHILE THE TIME WAS OUT, PEREIRA DID NOT THROW THE FIRST PUNCH, BOTH OF THEM NOT ONLY TOUCHED GLOVES, BUT JAMAHAL GAVE THE THUMBS UP.
@@erosviana4938 he definitely took a step forward
I’m pretty neutral on this but an inch makes a world of difference in a fight
Joe was right. Parriera did move forward and that distance closure was a factor.
Jamal literally engaged first by throwing a punch😂
Which, btw, is one of the things he shouldn't do there against that particular fighter, who is known for countering very fast. So... Skill issue literally. It's the type of thing your coach will ask you later.
Herb Dean is literally the best in the business. I’m glad he said something.
He's far from being the best, remember the Khabib vs Conor fight?
Errr, nope. He had some very very very late stoppage too.
ATT(American Top Team) is one of the best gyms in the business & they refuse to allow Herb to ref any of their fighters fights after all his mistakes
The emotional music just tops it off! 👌🏼
😂
He double hopped in. Absolutely
He didn't, you literally just watched it
@@Mac.Aodhagain He did, but that was after the fight was restarted, not to mention they touched gloves like two times before the left hook lmao.
It wasn't a double hop, it was one hop as the ref reached to stop him, so more like as he called time out but before they paused in this clip. Idk I don't think it was an advantage
@@salsavillo9146facts! I agree. just sucks to see anyone get knocked out after an odd exchange and a called off break from alex 🤣i like hill and periera
I don't always agree with Herb, but i do trust his judgment.
Herb - "be so honest that you dismiss jamahal's claims even if it compromises sales to validate how good of a job i did"
Herb handled this perfectly. No need to validate yourself but i am glad i got to see him watch it and stand by his decision.
Herb is an elder statesman of the sport. He's been in the pressure cooker and had to make tough calls. I generally trust his judgement
Best comment (and truest) in this whole section. And obviously missed/glassed over by 99.99% of people reading comments.
@@jeffhill1107yup. Slowly those who watch MMA will find the comment .
Herbs a good ref but he makes mistakes like every other ref. He should have done a proper reset and should have seen that Pereira had closed the distance while he was calling time. Jamahal is still being a bitch about it tho. He was defending well up until that point which is why you’d understand his frustration
@@blackscreen1810 Key word in there "closed the distance *while* he was calling time." He didnt close it after he called time. He was already in motion. He literally stopped dead to wave off herb and then touched gloves before moving in any meaningful way.
@@callanc3925 like I said herb should have done a proper reset. Pereria hadn’t touched Jamahal until that point. Do u really think it’s a coincidence that he got KOed right after this happened. Pereria knew what he was doing. Smart move and Herb should have seen it. You don’t signal for a low blow and then move forward into range. That makes no sense.
Americans need to understand that it's about the quality of what you say, not about how cool you make It sounds.
That's a whole Internet problem, not an American phenomenon, and it comes with running a show like his.
In the grand scheme of things, Joe Rogan isn't really all that bad at it. Like everyone in the world, he has some cringe takes, but he frequently has guests on who disagree with him, and I've never seen him silence guests, so he gets clapback. That's 10x what I can say about a lot of talk shows.
I mean, what are we saying here? It sucks that he is saying something he thinks is right? Isn't that what everyone does all the time?
Joe is clearly a Jamal Hill fan😂😂
He is rather a pereira fan boy 😅
his wife is too LOL if ya know ya know
All the American commentators are bias when it comes to Americans, if you don’t believe me just look out for it. You have to realise people like dc are still heavily involved in the sport and know a lot of these people that’s all I think it is. Everyone has a little bias
@@deedyg575 I think he does a really good job of being pretty fair but he for sure loves other wrestlers.
@@Yeshuaspupil if it’s a close fight they’ll try sway it to the American, I actually watched a fight not long ago that dc changed the actual decision of the fight after getting in the cage and the fight was over, that wouldn’t happen to anyone rlse but americans
Massive respect to Herb. Dude is already a legend.
lol Herb Dean in the MOST polite way said "...yall dont know Ishhh about MMA refereeing " lololol!!!!
I honestly feel, if the ref was resetting, the fighters need a FULL reset. Hill felt remorse and Pereira realized that. It's a tough call.
Bingo! Someone gets it!! Herb's supposed to be the ref, not Alex. Once Herb puts up the timeout signal he should've properly separated them. Instead he allowed Alex to decide the fights still on. Alex pulled a veteran move & got a slight advantage & took it. All that happened in about 7-10 seconds. I understand Hill's complaint, Alex essentially restarted the fight with over half the cage cutoff so it made it much harder for Hill to circle away
@nolongerblocked6210 With the fighters at this level it only takes a half second of doubt to open one up to a devastating KO. Hill is a great fighter and I know he will perform well when he climbs back up the rankings to face Alex again.
@@GSPfan2112 last time I checked at the beginning of every fight, you're told to protect yourself at all times.
@Queazyboot3 of course. Bur refs have a duty to be clear in their instructions and be the ultimate authority figure in that cage. It's a lesson learned by Hill, hopefully.
@@GSPfan2112 Herb says stop and walks between them, Alex waves that he was good, Herb backs up and says continue and motions to fight, then Jamahal and Alex touch gloves and Jamahal backs up and is to slow to counter Alex's left. Herb was clear, Jamahal just wasn't on Alex's level.
He obviously does a double hop towards Jamal before herb called time.
Exactly, Joe Rogan made it sound like Pereira doubled hopped after Herb called time.
First time seeing herb on a pod, I need more of this
Herb did everything right here, by touching gloves gives an indication that the game is still on. Focus focus focus
Thank you for all the fights you made interesting for us Herb the Legend Dean
You can see pereira closed the distances with that double hop ever so slightly, right as Herb is calling timeout. It’s cheeky, but it’s no way Pereiras fault for taking what’s in front of him. Herb didn’t give a proper break/resume in action. End of the day Jamahal is just a clown for letting his guard down and relaxing so much with a killer right in front of him. He was looking to apologize to pereira after the foul and ease back into the fight, stood still as he commited the foul meanwhile pereiras double hopping over, got him stuck against the fence and jamahal didn’t even know it.
As a referee, you are supposed to check if the one hit by the low blow is ok. When the fighter says he is good, you let them fight. Rogan is doing this for attention & hype. Herb is simply putting food in his table.
Herb is the gold-standard.
Joe is being fair to both.
"...they touched gloves..." yeah, so it's fight on!!! herb dean was so right here...
Joe isn't saying Jamel wasn't ready . he's saying peria moved into a better position to get the knock out. I dont believe it was herbs fault. more of Jamal not adjusting when his opponent moved forward during the breif timeout.
Well, to anyone who actually watched the fight, Pereira pushed Herb Dean away, so it's not absurd to think it might have disrupted the flow in Pereira's favor. And I don't know that Pereira was actually allowed to do that, Herb Dean has the right to step in whenever he wants and Pereira kind of denied him that. This whole sequence was unusual for sure so it's not surprising that there are diverging views on it.
Seriously, no one knows thus sport _better_ than Herb Dean.
They touched gloves 🥊 and resumed fighting. Jamal was just looking for an excuse there. Herb was 💯
Not just here, but damn near every match. Herb is a great ref.
The fighters know it was a accident, no damage done, no drama needed. In sports like football they behave like drama queens not athletes. MMA fighter are the toughest athletes.
Herb has a very good resume.
Herb Dean is the best ufc referee hands down.
Cmon Joe isn’t sensational he legit is pretty damn good actually
this video made me cry, so heart touching
We stand with Dean on this one
"The truth DOESN'T matter" period
Herb Dean is one of the best ref’s out there.
Herb and Pereira did an amazing job there
"Protect yourself at all times" says a rule
That's why herb is a ref and joe is just a podcaster
I've been telling people this since the day it happened. Not only was Hill absolutely ready to fight again, but he even backstepped to maintain a distance he wanted AND threw a punch first.
I’ve been saying ever since I heard him on the podcast that it was a clean KO with no bs. Rogan also said he Jamal was keeping Alex at kicking range the entire fight until that happened. When in reality, they were actually tapping each other’s lead hands almost the entire match. Just like my boxing coach always said , “if I can touch you, I can hit you.”
Rule #1 protect yourself at all times. Jamal got punched.
Joe deadass believed the shit Hill said for an excuse😂😂
They're both right, the fight was stopped due to a perceived low kick, Jamal did relax and Pereira was advancing as they touched gloves and got the knockout. Ideally Jamal would have stayed ready
Herb absolutely did the correct thing there. I gotta be honest, huge Joe Rogan fan… but it seems like when the podcast blew up his commentary started to lack. I’d rather listen to Paul Felder and Michael Bisping at this point. You can keep Dominick Cruz and Anthony Smith though…
I watched this fight and I 100% agreed with Herb. Joe Rogan is out of his mind.
He thought a right was coming, but it was a left take a seat.
Herb been watching you since WEC days, you are the best MMA ref of all time, you belong in the UFC HOF once u retire
"Truth doesn't matter" unfortunatly that's a huge problem with our society as whole nowadays. Not just in sports.