@@BugsySiegel5facts a refund? the pick 6 was off the hands of the receiver and it was a clear penalty on the defense PI or at least illegal contact at the end of the game both are 1st downs
@@michaelnickerson8331He is no where near worth 230 million dollars. Most guaranteed money in the league what a joke. I can name 8 QBs I'd rather have than him.
I don't his comments because they are usually not backed by any empirical data. Just opinion of someone who does not do a lot of thinking. Also, his persistent comments about Eric Bieniemy belie the fact that Eric B. had to check Shady because he kept fumbling the football in KC and got benched and run out of town. So any chance that he gets to take a shot at Eric B. he does. Further, Joy T. frequently has more insight about a given topic than he does. He really does not add any value to the discussion.
I'm glad Joy brought up the face masks... Even with all the turmoil, I felt like that was the reason they lost. Watson took points off the board with those penalties and took the pressure off the opposing team because of them.
There was a face mask by the Steelers on Watson that the refs missed. Refs also missed the pass interference on the game winning drive. Refs had money on the steelers.
“We’re GOING to get on herberts case”… no.. You need to be on Herberts case RIGHT NOW!.. that man gets talked about like he’s superman and all he does is lose games
I’m not the biggest fan of Herbert tbh, its not Herberts fault that he doesn’t play defense. Their losses are on the defense and HC. QB’s are taking a lot 🔥 this season.
@@Itsalwayscloudyincleveland so herbert did or didn’t have 4 chances from 4th Quarter to OT to either score a TD or get in field goal range?? Which he did neither of btw
All summer they were pushing the contract Narrative between Burrow and Jackson. Lamar 2-0 just beat Burrow. They are focusing on Watson at 1-1 who just lost to Pittsburgh in an ugly AFC north game. News Flash AFC North games are ugly 75% of the time.
@@Fantastic_Six They had a debate when Baker Mayfield stayed on the field with a shoulder injury on his non-throwing side. What makes Burrow special or above the conversation?
what's there to like about the browns? the most horribly ran organization in all of sports. I don't see how they still have fans. every year they find another way to shoot themselves in the foot. this Watson situation is the biggest blunder yet.
@@porgyjr.7737 He did with those face mask penalties but he's getting slammed for that too. Not by his teammates and that's what truly matters. We're just outside noise.
@@boogidwnej179 Perhaps or maybe, Burrow gets the benefit of the doubt because he has performed as recently as last year. In Herberts case, they seem to be enamored with his size rather than looking at how frequently he comes up short. The silly prototypical size for a QB at 6'4'' or 6'5'' is an outdated concept.
At least they didn't mortgage their future on their QBs. Browns gave up 3 first rounders along with 3 other picks. They went all in cause they were in a situation to win big. They're not rebuilding, they're trying to win now
@@boogidwnej179I'm black and I'm sick of you idiots using the race card when it's convenient. Joe Burrow 304 yards, 2 TDs, 1 int, 56.9 completion percentage Justin Fields stats right now are 534 yards, 3 TDs, 0 ints, 67.9 completion percentage Deshaun Watson has 389 yards, 2 TDs, 2 int, with a 55.1 completion percentage The only person you can criticize is Burrow. And last time I checked he took the Bengals to two AfC champion games a Superbowl and he just came off an injury.
He played bad last week joe burrow just played worse and their defense was great. Now with Chubb out he is going to have a lot more on his shoulders and if he play like this the rest of the way the browns not going anywhere.
WATSON DIDNT PLAY GOOD!!! But I don’t respect this from speak because y’all didn’t cover the game when he and the team out played joe burrow and the best wide receiving core in the league. I’m not even finishing this video because it’s too obvious you guys didn’t really watch the game in its entirety. I hate this new age media.
They're 1-1, the offense being schemed and built around Nick Chubb is an issue. Front office need to reevaluate and change their philosophy. If they're paying Deshaun that much money, that goes to show their confidence in him to get to his form. They've got some talented skill position players, scheme them properly. Can't be run a first offense and expect to see the "old Deshaun Watson". Play calling isn't good.
@@habibcampos189Did Herbert, Hurts, Jackson, Burrow, Jones or Stafford before 2 years ago. No. Fcuk Russell has been to two and won one and they take every shot they can at him.
I think Watson will be okay. He struggled heavily but I'm not sure it's all on him. HC Stefanski as we all know is on the Hot Seat for a reason. The offense is no better from how it was before Watson came in. We do need to see how the playbook changes with the Loss of Chubb who is their best player regardless of who gets what money. I believe in Watson and I do think that they might need to look into bringing in a new head coach that fits Watson better.
How about Borrows, how about Herbert, how about Mac Jones?The Browns are at 500 with 15 games yet to play. Watson has some personal problems that many of us would not have but the criticism of him at this point in the season is premature.
I fully think he can and likely will return to form. But anything outside of being elite quickly it’s hard to stomach the cost he came with. I hope he returns to form mostly for Browns fans because it really sucks to see one of my best friends finally get that big hope by landing the dude and it going as it has so far.
@Matt-cr4vv well you're friend deserves all the disappointment he gets for rooting for a predator the Browns fans where the only ones in the NFL that wanted this predator on their team and after all that are still just the browns 💩
Watson was straight trash got embarrassed on his home field in the playoffs and lost to a far less talented Colts team in 2019 playoffs. Texans had a Super Bowl roster
Watson choked away a 24-0 lead vs Chiefs in 2020 playoffs. Chiefs defense was horrific, one of worst in the league. Yet Watson couldn’t put together a single drive and sustain a massive lead. 3 and Outs. Punts. While the actual good QB Mahomes scored 6 unanswered drives. All Watson had to do was 1 or 2 drives with at least a measly FG. Nothing. Because Watson has never been a good QB.
In Watsons “best” statistical season 2020 he was 4-12 and a lot of his stats came from garbage time stat padding. Will Fuller was straight insane and got suspended for PEDs. Cooks is a 6x Pro Bowl elite WR and was still a premier elite deep threat route runner. Fuller/Cooks were a Top 3 WR duo. He had serious weapons to help pad his stats. But Watson was straight trash vs good teams and padded his stats in garbage time a lot of games. Most overrated season I’ve ever seen hyped.
Only 8 and been out for 2 - 3 years! Klay Thompson on the warriors was out for 2 years and had 164 games to get back into his former self and still looks different. Give him a chance without so much pressure
This is also about the Cleveland Browns, because when it comes to hiring a great coach or finding a great franchise quarterback their selection and development process has been the worst in the league.
You must have forgot about my Detroit Lions at least Cleveland was seconds away from a Super Bowl . Detroit Lions have not been even close in 60 plus years
@@lornegreen6755actually no. This team is different. This team comes with expectations.. i had zero expectations for those 2016 and 2017 teams. You pay 3 1sts and $230Ms, you expect winning football. We assembled a roster around Watson and he is failing miserably so yes this is actually more upsetting than watching a bunch of rookies lose games with zero expectations
Dude lose 1 game and now they going crazy like yall said he hasn't played but burrow mahomes and Allen don't look too good rn either ad they been playing
Way to early for these type of reactions. There 1-1 they lost nick chubb who's a massive asset to them offensively and they lost by 4 points in a competitive game. Plenty of football to be played
Apparently the powers that be ain't yet done with Deshaun Watson. It's the second game of the season. Dude is only 28. They've invested the money in him. Might as well support him and hope for the best.
@johnnybaxter1953 - It's TWO games into the season. His life has been in a dayam blender for 3 years. It might take a little time for him to get back on track. I am just really suspicious of this chorus of media attempting to bury Deshaun. It's starting to look planned and coordinated.
@@blackurustrikes2328good thing they paid him so much money. 😂😂 y’all are such fools.. this is everything the “haters” were pointing out.. but you went around saying elite top 5 qb instead and reality is starting to set in. 😂😂😂😂 It’s because the money! He got a raise after 26 SA cases.. and he’s playing like doo doo.. what do you want the media to say?
@@JonDough-ux9ju - It's one thing to criticize his play. But EVERYONE mentions that contract. No evaluation of the coaching, play calling, how the rest of the team is performing. Everything is about his not living up to a contract TWO GAMES into the season. I believe there are some who want to use Deshaun Watson to fight a kind of proxy war against giving football players fully guaranteed contracts.
@@JonDough-ux9juIt’s been 8 games 😂. How did Mahomes look when he didn’t have Kelce and Kadarius “Butterfingers” Toney was his #1 receiver? That offensive line was trash without Jack Conklin. This season is over for Cleveland. They’re going to have to create a whole new playbook now.
What is Joy talking about? Yes Deshaun had a bad game. But a good defense can make a good quarterback look bad. The game is won in the trenches not behind center. There's a reason the Eagles, Cowboys and 49ers are 3 of the best teams right now. Joy talking about you can't lose to Kenny Pickett. Last time I checked it was Steelers vs Browns. Not Pickett vs Watson.
@@yokoblitt2157 - She makes more intelligent comments than Shady who is both biased and clueless and Acho who loves to hear the sound of his own voice.
That's the worst thing they could do to DTR. The blueprint for developing QBs is there. Favre to Rodgers to Love. When QBs sit and learn, they do phenomenally better.
@youcanteverknowagain1788please. If you watch the sport then you know that a franchise QB gets the glory for the wins and the fault for the losses. This is nothing new. Goal posts get moved depending upon how a person feels about the QB being discussed.
Outside of the 2 penalties by Watson, there were also like 4 more that changed the results of there drives that weren’t on Watson. Not a pretty game and Watson has a lot more to overcome than most players right now.
As a Browns fan, I’m VERY frustrated and disappointed in the way Watson has played but I’m still confident he will figure it out and get back to his old self.
@@CS-zo7wxtop 10? Nah. Baker took a less talented roster to the second round of the playoffs for not even a fraction of that money. So for 230 million guaranteed and 3 first round picks you better be top 5 and a serious sb contender. Anything less is a bust.
Which one of those guys was given 230 million guaranteed again?? Baker is making 4 million. Just stop bro. You're comparing apples to a Cadillac. With big contracts come big expectations.
@@jacobcoey9918 Can you be more of a bad Sport ? You a Browns fan and have Buyers remorse ? Why wouldn't I support my Rookie QB who's showing a lot of promise with a O-line of 2 & 3 stringers ? Bet you never played ball did you .I did in at UT got a Trophy how bout you ? . There was no Crowning . I said he's looking good with Great Potential nothing wrong with that !!
The frustrating thing for me as a browns fan, is you see the flashes of his athletic ability, slipperiness in the pocket and his accuracy, he’s not processing the field the speed he should be he’s got a couple good opportunities to get right at home against titans and ravens
Exactly plus two of those turnovers( the pick 6, and the first fumble) not his fault. The offensive line is trash. If they don't solve that or if the coach don't play round that the team is definitely in trouble
@@henrylinder7534just stop. If that pass was on target it would've been caught. Watson was throwing in the dirt, throwing behind wrs, and sailing balls all night. And the o line doesn't hold the ball, so yes, the fumble was his fault. He was holding it. He fumbled it. His fault. The man had accounted for more turnovers than scores so far.
Wait Aren't the whole lot of high paid qb's 1-1 so far....why on DW case so bad....didnt Allen just throw 4 picks last week...where is the smoke 4 him...did they even watch the game..first pick TE stopped on his route and ball still hit him in his hands. They on him after 2 games...WHAT!!
Unlike a lot of oidiots I’m not gonna “ask for a refund “ 2 weeks into the season after having a rookie tackle start on the dpoty lol . I didn’t like the turnovers and mistakes from Watson but that stuff can be taken care of lol, the offensive line had so many holding calls against the Steelers too felt like anytime we started to build something it got snuffed out . We’ll regroup against the titans this week and see what happens
Watson just wants the lifestyle and football is secondary now. I watched him from day one in Houston and once he got paid he totally changed. The ink wasn’t even dry on his first contract in Houston and he was demanding a trade barely months later after crying and praising god for getting paid when he signed the contract. Football is just a means to an end now for him. That’s why he’s gained weight that has slowed him down and he just looks generally detached now. Like having to actually play for the money he signed for is a burden to him. Might be some karma too.
You CLEARLY DIDNT watch him in Houston if you thought he changed after his payday. You’re just talking to be heard. He obviously has things on the mental side that he needs to process. He is STILL a beast! It’s not about the lifestyle. Football had to take a backseat to his freedom! That takes a toll on people… 😤😤😤
I think everybody’s overreacting. Watson and other prestigious QB’s are having rough starts but Watson gets the most venom because of the massages. It’s not like Watson got dog walked by Pittsburgh either.
Burrow and Herbert are a combined 0-4 😂😂 all y’all been doing is making excuses for them 2… Lamar been calling out so far and y’all haven’t even mentioned him yet cuz you can’t really criticize his play… Y’all love to overly criticize blacc qbs and y’all aren’t even tryn hide it
Does anyone one watch football anymore, has anyone played or coached. The problem is the offense that he's in. Let's go to the sack fumble. Stefanski called a play action pass on 2nd and 8. End result sack fumble TD. Bottom line is Troy Aikman even said it, put Deshaun in the spread and let him do what he does best. There's no Chubb so now allow him to do what he's comfortable doing. No more play action off stretch... just let him get in the gun and do his thing. Or overreact like everyone else is because they don't like the guy. Y'all choice, I mean for once Cleveland don't do Cleveland type stuff. Last year should not count the guy didn't have a training camp last year. Offense needs to change, I get it, people don't like him but it's ridiculous to want him gone after two games. The offense doesn't fit him, put him in the gun and do what's best for him. The pic wasn't his fault, it's just pouring on at this point.
When 37 people accuse you of not keeping your lawn cut that has to affect you. Needless to say the Browns should have known that mentally he wouldn't be able to keep blinders on...that is impossible. And this is a die hard Clevelander and Browns fan speaking. This was a wide miss.
The Steelers QB Picketts was BAD!!! BAD!!!! BAD!!!!! couldn't throw the ball.....holds on the ball too long.....and this show is a Farce!!!! Pittsburg Steelers were saved by the defense...their QB.....is BAD!!!! BAD!!!!! BAD!!!!!
Come on now this is the Browns. They messed up giving him a fully guaranteed contract knowing he might miss games aka the whole season. Now if your QB gets hit 6 times (sacks) and lord knows how many hits after the pass. Yall need to look at the offensive line not protecting him.
😂😂 I just says the same thing.,. acho and everyone else been making segments on these debate shows on whether Lj would be any good in a traditional passing system. Now they see him balling they quiet and won’t acknowledge him… They’ll punch down on Watson and Russell Wilson for the time bejng until the ravens lose or IF LJ HAS A GOD AWFUL performance… Until then, they’ll act like he doesn’t exist 🤦🏾♂️
6:20 Hate to pivot, but IMO, this is Burrow's problem over the last couple weeks. Now you're paid, now you're *That Guy*, now it's time to produce. That pressure must be massive, kinda like going to the Titanic in a large PVC pipe.. (too soon?)
Occho was trying to sugar coat it, but shady is right. Watson is mentally checked out w no real incentive to fix it. Browns went all in hoping Watson would be the missing piece but he’s the worst part of the team. Browns have tried several times drafting rookies, now another big whiff on a free agent QB. Browns have to figure out a way to draft and develop a QB. Maybe DTR can be that guy in a couple years but the Browns franchise has another rebuild looming.
Why didn’t he do it consistently in Cleveland? If he didn’t declare himself healthy enough to play instead of just getting surgery on his shoulder he would still be a Brown right now 💯
@@buckeyepaulythat's bs. Coach has the power, not the player. It's the coach's call, not the players. Baker was looking VERY good coming off that second round playoff loss in the first 2 games of the season before suffering his first injury. Why wasn't he consistent after that? Gee, I don't know, maybe because he was riddled with injuries and shouldn't have been on the field. Let alone been expected to run an offense with an influx of pass plays while hardly being able to throw. Stefanski shoulda sat him. Period. He didn't. Instead he sabotaged him on purpose. He had it out for Baker ever since Baker called him out for skipping a team meeting to have a one-on-one sit down with Myles. His ego was bruised and after that Baker's days were numbered. If Baker was the big problem why haven't things improved since he left? Maybe because Stefanski was the bigger problem all along...
I think alot of people miss the point: The money isn’t a problem, all QB contracts are pretty much fully guaranteed as long as they aren’t cut. QBs usually make their entire contract, even the money not guaranteed. Also Watson isn’t even top 5 highest paid QB. He’s almost out the top 10. The problem is the picks we gave up to get him, and surround him with guys. That’s the problem. Money was never a actual issue, it’s just something the media can harp on.
The sad part about it is they will NEVER talk this way about Burrow or herbert and they are 0-2. Watson is 1-1 and they Leshawn Mc coy said Cleveland needs a refund ? My man if Cleveland needs a refund for a 1-1 start then what about these 0-2 starts ? Address that
The Watson in Houston is never going to show up in Cleveland. That guy died on those massage tables. He took 2 years off of football. He will never be the same person he was before. Ever.
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No
I love how direct shady is. Everybody wants to be nice and not hurt anybody’s feelings. He’ll just come out and speak his truth. I respect that.
Nah he’s bias and goes off his feelings
@@BugsySiegel5facts a refund? the pick 6 was off the hands of the receiver and it was a clear penalty on the defense PI or at least illegal contact at the end of the game both are 1st downs
@@michaelnickerson8331He is no where near worth 230 million dollars. Most guaranteed money in the league what a joke. I can name 8 QBs I'd rather have than him.
Being that he already missed a bunch of games and caused drama he has to be special to earn that contract.
I don't his comments because they are usually not backed by any empirical data. Just opinion of someone who does not do a lot of thinking. Also, his persistent comments about Eric Bieniemy belie the fact that Eric B. had to check Shady because he kept fumbling the football in KC and got benched and run out of town. So any chance that he gets to take a shot at Eric B. he does. Further, Joy T. frequently has more insight about a given topic than he does. He really does not add any value to the discussion.
A refund?? Two weeks into a 17 game season? Their record is 1-1. That's a bit dramatic.
You’re in denial
Right
No thanks to him bro…he been bad since he returned
No its not he sucks now and robbed Cleveland while doing so
Your probably saying that since it’s not your $230 million 😂😂😂😂
I'm glad Joy brought up the face masks... Even with all the turmoil, I felt like that was the reason they lost. Watson took points off the board with those penalties and took the pressure off the opposing team because of them.
There was a face mask by the Steelers on Watson that the refs missed. Refs also missed the pass interference on the game winning drive. Refs had money on the steelers.
I usually listen to her segment on mute
@@kifley19 Deserved tbh
@@kifley19 two wrongs don't make a right. ;)
“We’re GOING to get on herberts case”… no.. You need to be on Herberts case RIGHT NOW!.. that man gets talked about like he’s superman and all he does is lose games
The coach needs 2 go. That's all. LAC group is good but that coach....
Herbert loses games? Not the defense that has let up 63 points in 2 games? Do you understand football?
I’m not the biggest fan of Herbert tbh, its not Herberts fault that he doesn’t play defense. Their losses are on the defense and HC. QB’s are taking a lot 🔥 this season.
@@Itsalwayscloudyincleveland so herbert did or didn’t have 4 chances from 4th Quarter to OT to either score a TD or get in field goal range?? Which he did neither of btw
@@ds3651I was told Herbert was a top 10 qb. Y’all don’t give grace to lamar . So Herbert gets no grace
All summer they were pushing the contract Narrative between Burrow and Jackson. Lamar 2-0 just beat Burrow. They are focusing on Watson at 1-1 who just lost to Pittsburgh in an ugly AFC north game. News Flash AFC North games are ugly 75% of the time.
More like 85%....go Steelers..!!💪
Uhhhhh because joe burrow is injured , everybody knows why he's struggling so there isn't anything to debate until he gets healthy
@@Fantastic_Sixthe bengals start the season off like that every year it has nothing to do with burrow being injured
@@urmomisfat9826 Yeah and my car battery dies 3 times a week. Think I will try something different then carrying my charger everywhere I go.
@@Fantastic_Six They had a debate when Baker Mayfield stayed on the field with a shoulder injury on his non-throwing side. What makes Burrow special or above the conversation?
The Browns and Watson hate is very real
I'm Watsons case it's well earned... in Cleveland case it's well.earned for signing Watson👍
@@ForsakenWar well earned? Yeah okay.
what's there to like about the browns? the most horribly ran organization in all of sports. I don't see how they still have fans. every year they find another way to shoot themselves in the foot. this Watson situation is the biggest blunder yet.
@@mugiwara_k9283most horribly ran organization lol ? Literally just talking out your aaa but whatever
And deserved
Deshaun wasn’t born to play the villain. And that’s what he is now. It’s definitely affecting him mentally.
See that's his problem.. he's gotta stop being soft and embrace being the bad guy.
@@porgyjr.7737 He did with those face mask penalties but he's getting slammed for that too. Not by his teammates and that's what truly matters. We're just outside noise.
But they haven't said anything about Burrow or Herbert yet they haven't won yet 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
Cuz they got the complexion for protection
@@boogidwnej179 Perhaps or maybe, Burrow gets the benefit of the doubt because he has performed as recently as last year. In Herberts case, they seem to be enamored with his size rather than looking at how frequently he comes up short. The silly prototypical size for a QB at 6'4'' or 6'5'' is an outdated concept.
At least they didn't mortgage their future on their QBs. Browns gave up 3 first rounders along with 3 other picks. They went all in cause they were in a situation to win big. They're not rebuilding, they're trying to win now
It’s bc they’re White…
@@boogidwnej179I'm black and I'm sick of you idiots using the race card when it's convenient.
Joe Burrow 304 yards, 2 TDs, 1 int, 56.9 completion percentage
Justin Fields stats right now are 534 yards, 3 TDs, 0 ints, 67.9 completion percentage
Deshaun Watson has 389 yards, 2 TDs, 2 int, with a 55.1 completion percentage
The only person you can criticize is Burrow. And last time I checked he took the Bengals to two AfC champion games a Superbowl and he just came off an injury.
Watson reminds me of the Tiger Woods situation. It may take him a few years to get it back together on the field after such a huge public fallout
The problem is that he’s not who he convinced everyone he is. We all know that now.
But why? Processing the field should be like riding a bike for a pro QB
His conduct on the field does not merit giving him years to get it back. He's such a lost cause.
He ain't coming back.. Watson is washed up...
Doesn’t help either that Coach Stefanski is not good at play calling.
Joy is one of my favorite analyst on tv
Simp
She's the glue on this show. She's the voice of reason that makes more sense than anyone else. McCoy is getting better
I would like to see her on Get Up with Greenberg.
Bruh hasn’t played a full season in 2 years. Give me a 17 game sample size for me to determine if the browns need a “refund”
I guess those massages Watson was getting were the reason why he played above board. No massages, no wins!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Wow...too soon. Still funny tho
No massages, no happy ending
@@jeremiahbayani184 🤣
LOL he definitely is frustrated without the massages
JOY LOOKIN GOOD AS ALWAYS!!!!
she can give me a happy ending anytime
Idk she looking like prince
THEY SHOULDN'T FEEL ANYTHING. HE'S STILL PLAYING HIS WAY BACK. NOW LAST WEEK Y'ALL WAS SAYING HE'S BACK. NOW IT'S THIS ISH. THERE 1-1 RELAX
He played bad last week joe burrow just played worse and their defense was great. Now with Chubb out he is going to have a lot more on his shoulders and if he play like this the rest of the way the browns not going anywhere.
They’re * low IQ
WATSON DIDNT PLAY GOOD!!! But I don’t respect this from speak because y’all didn’t cover the game when he and the team out played joe burrow and the best wide receiving core in the league. I’m not even finishing this video because it’s too obvious you guys didn’t really watch the game in its entirety. I hate this new age media.
They're 1-1, the offense being schemed and built around Nick Chubb is an issue. Front office need to reevaluate and change their philosophy. If they're paying Deshaun that much money, that goes to show their confidence in him to get to his form. They've got some talented skill position players, scheme them properly. Can't be run a first offense and expect to see the "old Deshaun Watson". Play calling isn't good.
Wow they r hating on him badly way too early 🤦♂️
Cause he’s getting paid a lot of money like if he’s won a Super Bowl before
You know he played last season too right
Shannon Sharpe and Stephen a was hating bad
@@habibcampos189Did Herbert, Hurts, Jackson, Burrow, Jones or Stafford before 2 years ago. No. Fcuk Russell has been to two and won one and they take every shot they can at him.
I agree I think the browns gonna be dangerous
I think Watson will be okay. He struggled heavily but I'm not sure it's all on him. HC Stefanski as we all know is on the Hot Seat for a reason. The offense is no better from how it was before Watson came in. We do need to see how the playbook changes with the Loss of Chubb who is their best player regardless of who gets what money. I believe in Watson and I do think that they might need to look into bringing in a new head coach that fits Watson better.
How about Borrows, how about Herbert, how about Mac Jones?The Browns are at 500 with 15 games yet to play. Watson has some personal problems that many of us would not have but the criticism of him at this point in the season is premature.
This might be an overreaction but I was really glad when the Seahawks didn't make a deal to get him when the rumors about Wilson started.
I fully think he can and likely will return to form. But anything outside of being elite quickly it’s hard to stomach the cost he came with. I hope he returns to form mostly for Browns fans because it really sucks to see one of my best friends finally get that big hope by landing the dude and it going as it has so far.
he would've been better off in Seattle tho!! it's Cleveland ffs 😂😂
@Matt-cr4vv well you're friend deserves all the disappointment he gets for rooting for a predator the Browns fans where the only ones in the NFL that wanted this predator on their team and after all that are still just the browns 💩
@@mugiwara_k9283No, he want. Guy is done.
What were the rumors about WIlson?
Oline didn't just get beat "sometimes" 😂😂
Kenny definitely did NOT out duel Watson.. Did these guys even watch the game?
I mean Watson did score more for Pitt than the Browns
As a Steelers fan they definitely didn’t 😂
Watson was straight trash got embarrassed on his home field in the playoffs and lost to a far less talented Colts team in 2019 playoffs. Texans had a Super Bowl roster
Watson choked away a 24-0 lead vs Chiefs in 2020 playoffs. Chiefs defense was horrific, one of worst in the league. Yet Watson couldn’t put together a single drive and sustain a massive lead. 3 and Outs. Punts. While the actual good QB Mahomes scored 6 unanswered drives. All Watson had to do was 1 or 2 drives with at least a measly FG. Nothing. Because Watson has never been a good QB.
In Watsons “best” statistical season 2020 he was 4-12 and a lot of his stats came from garbage time stat padding. Will Fuller was straight insane and got suspended for PEDs. Cooks is a 6x Pro Bowl elite WR and was still a premier elite deep threat route runner. Fuller/Cooks were a Top 3 WR duo. He had serious weapons to help pad his stats. But Watson was straight trash vs good teams and padded his stats in garbage time a lot of games. Most overrated season I’ve ever seen hyped.
Shady is an honest man!
He ain’t even play 18 games since he been back , y’all gotta chill
He’s played 8 games and looks like Zach Wilson
Only 8 and been out for 2 - 3 years!
Klay Thompson on the warriors was out for 2 years and had 164 games to get back into his former self and still looks different. Give him a chance without so much pressure
Terrible comparison ^ Klay had 2 possibly career ending injuries back to back Deshaun been chilling getting massages he’s completely healthy
@@DanLovesBooksremind me again when Wilson has thrown for 300 yards, 2tds and started his team off 2-1…hold your L
Shady always throwing shade. The chiefs and the bucs need a refund for his services
What services?
Shady talks like he won a superbowl. Bro was on the sideline and watching other people win them. Gtfoh bro
This is also about the Cleveland Browns, because when it comes to hiring a great coach or finding a great franchise quarterback their selection and development process has been the worst in the league.
You must have forgot about my Detroit Lions at least Cleveland was seconds away from a Super Bowl . Detroit Lions have not been even close in 60 plus years
The browns are 2-1 and Watson just blew that team out
Everyone relax Watson will get it together
😂😂😂
lol ya okay
He looks tense, Need to get this man a masseuse.
Lmfao classic
I’m so upset with Watson. I’ve never been this mad after a loss as a browns fan smh
Don't you think the offensive line has some blame here? Perhaps the oline is not as good as advertised. Maybe Chubb hid their weaknesses.
@@usc.alum.mba.bml87he did. There’s plenty of times Chubb should be tackled but makes a play.
The 1-31 pre baker didn’t bother you lol
@@lornegreen6755right!
@@lornegreen6755actually no. This team is different. This team comes with expectations.. i had zero expectations for those 2016 and 2017 teams. You pay 3 1sts and $230Ms, you expect winning football. We assembled a roster around Watson and he is failing miserably so yes this is actually more upsetting than watching a bunch of rookies lose games with zero expectations
Stop tha cap u know dam well baker ain't better
Well the LA Chargers and Cincinnati Bengals are both 0-2. So I’m waiting for them to get on Burrow and Herbert’s case lol….
Burrow is playing injured and Herbert has played really well
Wow that speak group of analysts much have mentioned he's making 230 million guaranteed ten times each. So much bitterness.
Haven’t seen the video but I bet joy is gonna talk about his money
Shady saying "Is it crazy?" is hilarious.
Dude lose 1 game and now they going crazy like yall said he hasn't played but burrow mahomes and Allen don't look too good rn either ad they been playing
Well spoken
This is what the media does with all the players they don't like. They "judge" you quarter, play to play hoping to see you lose.
He played last year
It’s not about winning or losing. He lost plenty his last year in Houston when he was considered elite. His passing stats with the Browns stink so far
What did u see that allen side arm pass to Shakir he played good sun
Fun fact: Browns offense gave up as many or more points than their defense (depending on how you count extra points)
Put those on the special teams ledger with the field goals
maybe the steelers D Fence was at the top of there game he was running for his life any QB would have been....
As a Steelers fan, the best part is Watson is uncuttable.
As a browns fan, the best part is the entire league hates us but if theres on the we all agree on, its that we all hate shitsburgh more.
Way to early for these type of reactions. There 1-1 they lost nick chubb who's a massive asset to them offensively and they lost by 4 points in a competitive game. Plenty of football to be played
Apparently the powers that be ain't yet done with Deshaun Watson.
It's the second game of the season. Dude is only 28. They've invested the money in him. Might as well support him and hope for the best.
The powers that be are mind controlling him to play bad !
@johnnybaxter1953 - It's TWO games into the season. His life has been in a dayam blender for 3 years. It might take a little time for him to get back on track.
I am just really suspicious of this chorus of media attempting to bury Deshaun. It's starting to look planned and coordinated.
@@blackurustrikes2328good thing they paid him so much money. 😂😂 y’all are such fools.. this is everything the “haters” were pointing out.. but you went around saying elite top 5 qb instead and reality is starting to set in. 😂😂😂😂
It’s because the money! He got a raise after 26 SA cases.. and he’s playing like doo doo.. what do you want the media to say?
@@JonDough-ux9ju - It's one thing to criticize his play. But EVERYONE mentions that contract. No evaluation of the coaching, play calling, how the rest of the team is performing. Everything is about his not living up to a contract TWO GAMES into the season.
I believe there are some who want to use Deshaun Watson to fight a kind of proxy war against giving football players fully guaranteed contracts.
@@JonDough-ux9juIt’s been 8 games 😂. How did Mahomes look when he didn’t have Kelce and Kadarius “Butterfingers” Toney was his #1 receiver?
That offensive line was trash without Jack Conklin. This season is over for Cleveland. They’re going to have to create a whole new playbook now.
Well he did score like all the points for both teams in that game. Pretty impressive right?
These are just haters.
Nope not impressive, not good enough
Joy @ 2:50 facemask
"Hello ref..."
😂😂😂
Yeah, I'm not giving up on DeShaun yet!
What is Joy talking about? Yes Deshaun had a bad game. But a good defense can make a good quarterback look bad. The game is won in the trenches not behind center. There's a reason the Eagles, Cowboys and 49ers are 3 of the best teams right now. Joy talking about you can't lose to Kenny Pickett. Last time I checked it was Steelers vs Browns. Not Pickett vs Watson.
Poor girl barely kno wtf she be talking bout yea I said it and mfs not gon like it but it’s the truth
@@cobymontana9275 - I think that she knows more about what she is talking about than cretin McCoy.
I can’t stand when she talk she needs to just sit there and wait for commercials
@@yokoblitt2157 - She makes more intelligent comments than Shady who is both biased and clueless and Acho who loves to hear the sound of his own voice.
@@usc.alum.mba.bml87 That’s not saying much the panel as a whole is not it but I still prefer to just hear her speak less
Lol, pulling face mask in front ref. Best thing I've heard this woman say
If DeShawn is having a rough time... try that rookie. That guys gonna be great one day.
That's the worst thing they could do to DTR. The blueprint for developing QBs is there. Favre to Rodgers to Love. When QBs sit and learn, they do phenomenally better.
He is laughing all the way to the bank.
There were some of us who thought that this trade was a disaster from the start! He didn't even want to be here, till the Clowns sweetened the deal!
So true
His heart wasn't there from the beginning why would he play his best ?
amen
At this point in the season...Baker Mayfield looks way better than Watson. This is early but you can't have Watson losing to Picket.
@youcanteverknowagain1788please. If you watch the sport then you know that a franchise QB gets the glory for the wins and the fault for the losses.
This is nothing new. Goal posts get moved depending upon how a person feels about the QB being discussed.
2 Games into the season I’m sick of Shady man
Acho take is on point!! Rs
He's played 8 games. I would say give him a full evaluation at the end of the season.
only sane person here
Outside of the 2 penalties by Watson, there were also like 4 more that changed the results of there drives that weren’t on Watson.
Not a pretty game and Watson has a lot more to overcome than most players right now.
I remember when she said the browns were gonna be sooooo much better than the jets
As a Browns fan, I’m VERY frustrated and disappointed in the way Watson has played but I’m still confident he will figure it out and get back to his old self.
Brother, there aren’t many of us cause a lot sound like Acho bringing up Baker…
I mean I’m not bringing up Baker, but we didn’t give up 230 million and 3 first round picks for anything less than top 10 QB play.
@@CS-zo7wxtop 10? Nah. Baker took a less talented roster to the second round of the playoffs for not even a fraction of that money. So for 230 million guaranteed and 3 first round picks you better be top 5 and a serious sb contender. Anything less is a bust.
So Baker Mayfield and Carson Wentz can get opportunity after opportunity but y'all ready to pull the plug two games into season on Watson. Smdh
Which one of those guys was given 230 million guaranteed again??
Baker is making 4 million. Just stop bro. You're comparing apples to a Cadillac. With big contracts come big expectations.
@@JoshuaRyanErwin 2 games into the season ain't enough dude so you stop it!
@@justcurious6776 I agree, 2 games isn't enough. But 8 games and an entire off-season is.
Wow these comments are trying to defend Watson is kinda funny because since the trade he hasn't had a good game
It’s not that he lost it’s how he lost!!! 2:55 with a timeout left and down 4!!! We need him to win that game for us!!!
He just won last night
We are 0-2 in Houston but we are feeling really good with CJ Stroud !! Watch out AFC Texans are gonna be very good in the next 2 or 3 season's !!
Can Stroud finish his first cup of coffee in the NFL before you crown him the 2nd coming of Mahomes please?
@@jacobcoey9918 Can you be more of a bad Sport ? You a Browns fan and have Buyers remorse ? Why wouldn't I support my Rookie QB who's showing a lot of promise with a O-line of 2 & 3 stringers ? Bet you never played ball did you .I did in at UT got a Trophy how bout you ? . There was no Crowning . I said he's looking good with Great Potential nothing wrong with that !!
@@jacobcoey9918I don’t think he was saying cj was going to be a mahomes 2.0 XD. He was just saying the Texans were going to be better down the line
Pocket watchers are the worse
The frustrating thing for me as a browns fan, is you see the flashes of his athletic ability, slipperiness in the pocket and his accuracy, he’s not processing the field the speed he should be he’s got a couple good opportunities to get right at home against titans and ravens
Facts
He's played two teams with a good pash rush.
Watson looked mad slow in those games
@@maskedman5657 nah his processing is
@@kifley19 true
He took two years off relax qb is the hardest position it’s gonna take time to get that type of level back
Acho doesn't really say anyting. Too much meaningless verbiage.
DeShaun played ight, I feel good with him moving forward
Think about what they gave up to look Ight.
@@CashepetersenProductit’s the second week
@@xavieonedavis1318facts
LOL WTF ARE YOU SMOKING I WANT SOME. 🤡
@@RisitasKEKW he didn’t play that bad he’s going to get better they’ll be fine
It’s only two games everyone breaks Watson will get it together
Exactly plus two of those turnovers( the pick 6, and the first fumble) not his fault. The offensive line is trash. If they don't solve that or if the coach don't play round that the team is definitely in trouble
8 games
@@DanLovesBooks 8 games for stafanski to get it together or he's fired
@@henrylinder7534just stop. If that pass was on target it would've been caught. Watson was throwing in the dirt, throwing behind wrs, and sailing balls all night.
And the o line doesn't hold the ball, so yes, the fumble was his fault. He was holding it. He fumbled it. His fault. The man had accounted for more turnovers than scores so far.
Can't wait to hear them talk about that 82% 2 td game on Sunday...... I didn't see it yet? Is Joy and Shady gonna run their mouth still?
No they hid from it it’s cool the nfl vs the browns
Wait
Aren't the whole lot of high paid qb's 1-1 so far....why on DW case so bad....didnt Allen just throw 4 picks last week...where is the smoke 4 him...did they even watch the game..first pick TE stopped on his route and ball still hit him in his hands. They on him after 2 games...WHAT!!
Unlike a lot of oidiots I’m not gonna “ask for a refund “ 2 weeks into the season after having a rookie tackle start on the dpoty lol . I didn’t like the turnovers and mistakes from Watson but that stuff can be taken care of lol, the offensive line had so many holding calls against the Steelers too felt like anytime we started to build something it got snuffed out . We’ll regroup against the titans this week and see what happens
Who else skip through Joy?
Acho is terrible speaking like he is an A.I. robot
7:05 granite is a rock... Granted is the word you're looking for
He made some great throws. Bring some of the spread offense to Cleveland.
You may be the only person with any sense over here. He needs to be in the spread. And he did win in Houston.
Browns destroy the former AFC champs and its crickets.... Had a bad game 2 after losing a person like 24.... they trash.
A bad person is a Bad person, Bad character is Bad character can not change that
Watson is the self-sabotage champ. And not just off the field.
He was overrated in Houston, thats what people don't get
Watson just wants the lifestyle and football is secondary now. I watched him from day one in Houston and once he got paid he totally changed. The ink wasn’t even dry on his first contract in Houston and he was demanding a trade barely months later after crying and praising god for getting paid when he signed the contract.
Football is just a means to an end now for him. That’s why he’s gained weight that has slowed him down and he just looks generally detached now. Like having to actually play for the money he signed for is a burden to him.
Might be some karma too.
You CLEARLY DIDNT watch him in Houston if you thought he changed after his payday. You’re just talking to be heard. He obviously has things on the mental side that he needs to process. He is STILL a beast! It’s not about the lifestyle. Football had to take a backseat to his freedom! That takes a toll on people… 😤😤😤
God bless Baker Mayfield! - Great show guys!
Slow down bro. It's the first half of the season, he always looks decent until....
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Baker is better than Deshaun.
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@@LembeckIsStayinguntil people start expecting him to be good. Then he will be bad again
I think everybody’s overreacting. Watson and other prestigious QB’s are having rough starts but Watson gets the most venom because of the massages. It’s not like Watson got dog walked by Pittsburgh either.
oh but he did get dog walked, he scored more points for pittsburgh than his own team
@@sawmillguy9706 He made terrible mistakes but I’m saying the deficit was only 4 points.
@@tigersteeth29the deficit may have been only 4 points in the end, but Watson still accounted for 14 of their points.
Burrow and Herbert are a combined 0-4 😂😂 all y’all been doing is making excuses for them 2…
Lamar been calling out so far and y’all haven’t even mentioned him yet cuz you can’t really criticize his play…
Y’all love to overly criticize blacc qbs and y’all aren’t even tryn hide it
Joy looks good 👍🏽 and very knowledgeable
Its one game, I think he will turn it around
Baker and the Buccs, baby!
This only his 8th game as a Brown . Got to give it time to develop
Does anyone one watch football anymore, has anyone played or coached. The problem is the offense that he's in. Let's go to the sack fumble. Stefanski called a play action pass on 2nd and 8. End result sack fumble TD. Bottom line is Troy Aikman even said it, put Deshaun in the spread and let him do what he does best. There's no Chubb so now allow him to do what he's comfortable doing. No more play action off stretch... just let him get in the gun and do his thing. Or overreact like everyone else is because they don't like the guy. Y'all choice, I mean for once Cleveland don't do Cleveland type stuff. Last year should not count the guy didn't have a training camp last year. Offense needs to change, I get it, people don't like him but it's ridiculous to want him gone after two games. The offense doesn't fit him, put him in the gun and do what's best for him. The pic wasn't his fault, it's just pouring on at this point.
When 37 people accuse you of not keeping your lawn cut that has to affect you. Needless to say the Browns should have known that mentally he wouldn't be able to keep blinders on...that is impossible. And this is a die hard Clevelander and Browns fan speaking. This was a wide miss.
The Steelers QB Picketts was BAD!!! BAD!!!! BAD!!!!! couldn't throw the ball.....holds on the ball too long.....and this show is a Farce!!!! Pittsburg Steelers were saved by the defense...their QB.....is BAD!!!! BAD!!!!! BAD!!!!!
Watson looking like the monstars took his powers
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Come on now this is the Browns. They messed up giving him a fully guaranteed contract knowing he might miss games aka the whole season. Now if your QB gets hit 6 times (sacks) and lord knows how many hits after the pass. Yall need to look at the offensive line not protecting him.
When Lamar play bad they gone be ready to talk about him I haven’t seen them acknowledge or give him a segment on he balling
😂😂 I just says the same thing.,. acho and everyone else been making segments on these debate shows on whether Lj would be any good in a traditional passing system. Now they see him balling they quiet and won’t acknowledge him…
They’ll punch down on Watson and Russell Wilson for the time bejng until the ravens lose or IF LJ HAS A GOD AWFUL performance…
Until then, they’ll act like he doesn’t exist 🤦🏾♂️
6:20 Hate to pivot, but IMO, this is Burrow's problem over the last couple weeks. Now you're paid, now you're *That Guy*, now it's time to produce.
That pressure must be massive, kinda like going to the Titanic in a large PVC pipe.. (too soon?)
Occho was trying to sugar coat it, but shady is right. Watson is mentally checked out w no real incentive to fix it. Browns went all in hoping Watson would be the missing piece but he’s the worst part of the team. Browns have tried several times drafting rookies, now another big whiff on a free agent QB. Browns have to figure out a way to draft and develop a QB. Maybe DTR can be that guy in a couple years but the Browns franchise has another rebuild looming.
Meanwhile Baker Mayfield is playing well.
Why didn’t he do it consistently in Cleveland? If he didn’t declare himself healthy enough to play instead of just getting surgery on his shoulder he would still be a Brown right now 💯
@@buckeyepaulythat's bs. Coach has the power, not the player. It's the coach's call, not the players.
Baker was looking VERY good coming off that second round playoff loss in the first 2 games of the season before suffering his first injury. Why wasn't he consistent after that? Gee, I don't know, maybe because he was riddled with injuries and shouldn't have been on the field. Let alone been expected to run an offense with an influx of pass plays while hardly being able to throw. Stefanski shoulda sat him. Period. He didn't. Instead he sabotaged him on purpose. He had it out for Baker ever since Baker called him out for skipping a team meeting to have a one-on-one sit down with Myles. His ego was bruised and after that Baker's days were numbered.
If Baker was the big problem why haven't things improved since he left? Maybe because Stefanski was the bigger problem all along...
No happy ending off the field, no happy ending on the field.
I think alot of people miss the point:
The money isn’t a problem, all QB contracts are pretty much fully guaranteed as long as they aren’t cut. QBs usually make their entire contract, even the money not guaranteed. Also Watson isn’t even top 5 highest paid QB. He’s almost out the top 10.
The problem is the picks we gave up to get him, and surround him with guys. That’s the problem.
Money was never a actual issue, it’s just something the media can harp on.
The sad part about it is they will NEVER talk this way about Burrow or herbert and they are 0-2. Watson is 1-1 and they Leshawn Mc coy said Cleveland needs a refund ? My man if Cleveland needs a refund for a 1-1 start then what about these 0-2 starts ? Address that
The media not keeping the same energy with Zack Wilson and Joe burrow
You can't lose a game to the defense.
Word.
The Watson in Houston is never going to show up in Cleveland. That guy died on those massage tables. He took 2 years off of football. He will never be the same person he was before. Ever.