That scene at the beginning of the mirror enterprise episode, where it's the mirror zephram cochrane blasting the vulcans. I wonder if he had just been through the mirror version of the First Contact movie? What an awesome film that would be, they should do that!
Finally finished watching this episode. I really enjoyed the episode. One thing i just thought of, was that it seems a little surprising that the women of the Mirror Universe Starfleet, to be wearing very sexy clothing, instead of the exact same uniforms that the men wear, to minimize the distraction of the women and thus be more efficient. Coming from that thought, Jolene Blalock and Linda Park looked very nice in their uniforms, and perhaps their mirror universe characters enjoyed being in a sexy uniform-it being a deliberate choice by themselves, in order to be more persuasive over their male counterparts. One last thing i noticed that it looked as if the Terran Empire may have already encountered and conquered the Romulan Empire, and absorbed some of their ships into the Mirror Starfleet. A few of the ships of "In a Mirror Darkly" show ships that almost look like they may have come from Romulan ship designers instead of human ones. Just something to think about. Great episode.
That was an awesome intro guys! Doug always seems like he'd be a lot of fun to work with. I liked the idea of everything being so ramped up to try and out match opponents that the tech was killing the crews too. It adds this element of desperation and bloodthirst that seems fitting.
love the empire. as far as starships, they didnt care too much for comfort or safety (hence Chief Engineer Charles Tucker III condition) kind of like the Manhattan Project - or Han Solo at Echo Base - we do want it pretty, we want it now.
Great episode guys and Drexler was very cool. I'm new to your shows but I love what I'm seeing. It sucks that it took Enterprise 2 seasons to realize "oh wait, we should actually call ourselves Star Trek", and it took them until season 4 before they realize "oh wow, we should BE Star Trek!!" Season 4 was the best, but it was too late. I loved that Mirror universe episode.
detubeme where were the first 3 seasons of Enterprise not Star Trek?? It was classic Star Trek at it's best! I'll never understand what everyone has against this show :( I loved it right from the start.
I'd like them to talk about the warship version of Voyager. it wasn't the mirror universe but in sick bay a booth can clearly be seen. posibly as an omage to the mirror universe. Had the Terran Empire not fallen it could be speculated that a ship like the Voyager warship could have been manufactured by Mirror starfleet.
Well, while completely non-canon, the comics by DC that came out between Star Trek III & IV had a pretty good Mirror Universe story. ISS Enterprise gets blown up, Kirk and the gang take the Excelsior into the Mirror Universe posing as their evil counterparts, and somewhere along the way, they have a battle against a newly & rapidly made I.S.S. Excelsior. So if the Terran Empire's Starfleet Corps of Engineers is capable of scanning, studying, reverse engineering and building a ship that they never had (odds are the events of Star Trek III never happened in the Mirror Universe, as another shocker was that David Marcus was still alive) shortly after encountering it for the first time...yeah, they probably could've done it.
I, for one, would love a regular Star Trek televised show set in the Mirror Universe. Maybe with transdimensional assaults from the Mirror universe to others to steal technology.
it's so sad after in a Mirror Darkly was successful in bringing in the Ratings there was a Rumor that there would be a Spin off in the Mirror Universe but thanks to Les Moonves this did not happen because he put Star Trek away for 12 years, this sucks but hopefully they could do that in the Future.
If the Mirror Universe had the Constitution-class a century before the Prime Universe then wouldn't that have made the Mirror TOS-era Constitution a lot more advanced than its Prime counterpart?
Not necessarily. They would still have to understand the technology then develop technology to reverse engineer the advanced technology. Give a scientists in 1918 a smartphone from 2018 and ask them to replicate it! They wouldn't know where to start.
Like Worf said in TNG. "There were no phasers in the 22nd century". Even in the mirror universe. Those cannons are PULSE LASER CANNONS like it´s written in the ISS Enterprise Tech manual picture. They only got Phaser technology through the USS Defiant afaik. Btw. Nice Episode!
+Trekyards My friends, it is "Broken BOW" as in bow and arrow, not broken bow as in a bow of a ship. It is the name of the town in Oklahoma where the Klingon crashed. It's Native American in origin hence the name Broken Bow. (And yes there really is a city named Broken Arrow in Oklahoma.) Broken Bow is quite a nice little town actually, despite the name. ;) www.brokenbowvacationcabins.com/
It was funny for a little bit, but you guys should've cut back on the "Long live the Empire" salute...that said I love the Mirror episodes in ST, just wish the Enterprise Mirror Mirror arc would've continued to a good ending.
I all ways thought it was interesting the that the two ship designs that revitalized the Terran Empire were both from the Prime Universe and both were named Defiant.
Can I mention that it bugs me that the salute in the ENT episode is different from the one in Mirror Mirror. Mirror Mirror's salute was outstretched hand, as done by Doug Drexler, but in the ENT episode it was a fist like you guys were doing.
kadindarklord customs, such as salutes, can change and evolve over time. Maybe the outstretched hand of "Mirror, Mirror" was turned into a fist to avoid potential comparisons by the FCC to a nazi salute? Perhaps to move it closer to the theoretical beginnings of the Terran Empire that began with ancient Rome? This is what makes Trek fun!
I thought it pretty specifically said they were Pulse Phase Canons. They did in a non-Mirror episode say that Columbia was getting Pulse Phase Canons, so if in the Mirror Universe they rushed weapons tech it would make sense that's what they have. Also now that we have Star Trek Beyond, where technically things they establish as pre-TOS could be considered canon, Franklin had Pulse Phase Canons that look very similar to that.
We did see Columbia firing her "pulse phase cannons" in an episode, and they, unfortunately, look like regular phase cannons. No real difference. The pulse cannons ISS E fires are similar to what she brought to bear in Broken Bow, only at a faster rate.
OpenMawProductions I think these are mostly just inconsistencies(that we unfortunately have to treat as canon). They probably just want to have something fun to shoot in the pilot to excite people. Because afterwards Enterprise suddenly jumps to being completely unarmed saved for uncalibrated Merculite torpedoes. Then I think Columbia seeming to not shoot pulse phase canons was they just forgot. If I'm not mistaken them mentioning Columbia under construction and getting those happened in Season 4. Then seeing Columbia in action didn't happen till (late?) season 5. Regardless I think it's safe to say ignoring any other technically, the Empire would focus on weapons tech above all else, it doesn't make sense for them to be using an inferior weapon than the prime timeline Enterprise.
I think Doug must have considered when making the ISS Enterprise that the markings are stylized laurel leaves, and the color is gold, long associated with Roman and Byzantine Emperors.
This was my last favorite ship, especially called *Enterprise...* But every time I hear him talk about the fucking GENIUS that that is the _design_ and _actual logic_ that went into it on both the real world end and within the Canon... It moves up a spot, everyone. Wish the show would've gotten to show off it's planned, eventual progression into a more familiar *Constitution Class* looking ship.
The one thing that I never understood about the Mirror Universe is that they did not have the Vulcans stopping humans with their NX programme for more than a century as it did with the Primary Universe, so how is it that they took just as long without the Vulcans in this Universe?In the first ENT episode Broken Bow, the young Jonathon Archer says that they would be doing warp 5 if the Vulcans didn't stop them, and that was what 30 years before he commanded Enterprise... So what is with that? I never understood that.
Good episode. I'd quite like to see a Mirror Universe NX Refit, although do you think the Terran Empire made the Refit before or after Starfleet? Long live the empire.
+Gordon Massie Considering they constantly added and refitted I do not think there was much need for them to create the bigger NX-Refit and once they got the Constitution-class they probably skipped the NX-Refit altogether.
+Enterprise-H Probably although the Constitution Class is 3 times the size of an NX Class, even reverse engineering the Defiant would they be able to make a jump like that? Also I imagine that Empress Hoshi would want the most powerful ship for herself. :)
Rick Berman sucked hard. He just sucked. Repetitive, unintelligent stories with very little drama. Rigid adherence to rules that might have worked in the 1960s but were archaic by the 2000s. Restricting his actora from showing emotion. Watch a season 4 episode of Stargate SG1 or a season 3 Stargate Atlantis and compare them to most of Voyager and Enterprise.
What's assumed about the radiation hazards of the ISS Enterprise was in line of the TOS fan assumptions that Klingons used expendable slaves in the engine departments of their ships.
I always took that it was implied that the mirror universe was the result of a different decision during first contact stuff with the Borg. "They're good guys, but now we know there is a very serious threat out there (the Borg) these guys (Vulcans) have much more advanced tech, let's take it for ourselves."
+Michael Durkin There is no Borg in the Mirror universe and thus they didn't invade the past which allowed the Enterprise to go back and tell Cochran that the Vulcans were not evil.
The mirror universe ISS NX Enterprise should have had an extra nacelle and more external weapons on its outer hull. This would have given it a mean, threatening , and intimidating look. I am surprised they never bothered to make the TOS mirror universe Enterprise episode more threatening and damaged looking configuration ( extra nacalles and weapons) when they added new CGI effects for the Bluray release.
Problem with the mirror universe is that it is only partially mirrored. Example the Vulcan's should have been just as hostile coming off their ship as we were meeting it. The Klingons and Romulans should have both been pacifist explores and so forth.
Ok here is a conundrum for you Cpt. Foley. If the mirror universe had ahold of a Connie which was so much more advanced why do you think they didn't progress from there, a fleet of Klingons and Cardassians would have been nothing for the Terran Empire but according to a mirror Kiera Narris the Klingon/Cadassian Allience defeated the Terran Empire at Wolf 359 and enslaved them. This makes me think that the prossibilities for having the normal universe USS-Defient were squandered and they didn't advance as much as they could have.
They probably did advance but their super advancement in tech more than likely left them in a rut by the time the Cardi and Klingon Alliance attacked, until some of the DS9 gang crossed over and accidentally or by force advanced the Terran Empire. *I'm just going by what I saw in the Mirror episodes of ST.
I try to give my STO ships yellow markings, mimicking Imperial ships. The only reason my current ship, a kelvin conny, is named the USS Kodos is because i can't officially call it the ISS Kodos. (Named after a ship from Shattered Universe which in turn is named after Kodos.)
Why do you keep harping on better tech commander? The ISS NX is still using it's pulse cannons in the episode. There's clearly some places where they haven't matched prime time. The warp core humming faster could simply mean they run it at a higher "torque" than we do in the prime timeline because the technology isn't as refined? I mean, I never got the impression the Mirror guys were that much better off in any way than we are, and that's the testament to their foolish behavior. They take short cuts, they steal what they aren't smart enough to come up with themselves, and as a result you end up with inferior tech.
They fire faster, sure, but who knows if that's at a cost of them overheating faster? If anything it indicates that their cutthroat behavior has forced them to refine more primitive tech instead of making the leap to large scale phased weapons.
If i was the director of this epic episode i would've made de nx-01 the refit with the dedicated engineering section , because why not .. (the one that was supposed to be the season 5 refit) and made this episode one of the top 5 in the STU .
Any episode with Doug is a good episode!
+Mork_of_Ork2001 Agreed, Great to have his insight.
In a Mirror Darkly is one of my very favourite Star Trek episodes
That scene at the beginning of the mirror enterprise episode, where it's the mirror zephram cochrane blasting the vulcans. I wonder if he had just been through the mirror version of the First Contact movie? What an awesome film that would be, they should do that!
T'Pol looks her best with long hair.
My God, but Nichelle Nichols looked incredible in that TOS footage.
indeed. smokin hot
Lol at 16:23 when Samuel surprises himself with the power of his own clap when describing the punch of the pulse cannons! Very funny moment! :D
Long live the empire.
Gotta love Doug With a 6 shooter!
Always love the Drexler episodes, great laughs
Finally finished watching this episode. I really enjoyed the episode. One thing i just thought of, was that it seems a little surprising that the women of the Mirror Universe Starfleet, to be wearing very sexy clothing, instead of the exact same uniforms that the men wear, to minimize the distraction of the women and thus be more efficient. Coming from that thought, Jolene Blalock and Linda Park looked very nice in their uniforms, and perhaps their mirror universe characters enjoyed being in a sexy uniform-it being a deliberate choice by themselves, in order to be more persuasive over their male counterparts. One last thing i noticed that it looked as if the Terran Empire may have already encountered and conquered the Romulan Empire, and absorbed some of their ships into the Mirror Starfleet. A few of the ships of "In a Mirror Darkly" show ships that almost look like they may have come from Romulan ship designers instead of human ones. Just something to think about. Great episode.
Love the Mirror Universe ships, as they were always cool.
That was an awesome intro guys! Doug always seems like he'd be a lot of fun to work with. I liked the idea of everything being so ramped up to try and out match opponents that the tech was killing the crews too. It adds this element of desperation and bloodthirst that seems fitting.
Loved it! Very good.
love the empire. as far as starships, they didnt care too much for comfort or safety (hence Chief Engineer Charles Tucker III condition) kind of like the Manhattan Project - or Han Solo at Echo Base - we do want it pretty, we want it now.
Great vid. The Scruffy the Janitor reference put it over the top for me :)
+Andrew Hopkins Scruffy approves.
great episode again!
my fav Trekyard episode so far
Good to watch these three go at it again. “For the Trekyards!” 👮🏻♂️
Great Ep!
Great episode guys and Drexler was very cool. I'm new to your shows but I love what I'm seeing. It sucks that it took Enterprise 2 seasons to realize "oh wait, we should actually call ourselves Star Trek", and it took them until season 4 before they realize "oh wow, we should BE Star Trek!!" Season 4 was the best, but it was too late. I loved that Mirror universe episode.
detubeme where were the first 3 seasons of Enterprise not Star Trek?? It was classic Star Trek at it's best! I'll never understand what everyone has against this show :( I loved it right from the start.
I'd like them to talk about the warship version of Voyager. it wasn't the mirror universe but in sick bay a booth can clearly be seen. posibly as an omage to the mirror universe. Had the Terran Empire not fallen it could be speculated that a ship like the Voyager warship could have been manufactured by Mirror starfleet.
Well, while completely non-canon, the comics by DC that came out between Star Trek III & IV had a pretty good Mirror Universe story. ISS Enterprise gets blown up, Kirk and the gang take the Excelsior into the Mirror Universe posing as their evil counterparts, and somewhere along the way, they have a battle against a newly & rapidly made I.S.S. Excelsior. So if the Terran Empire's Starfleet Corps of Engineers is capable of scanning, studying, reverse engineering and building a ship that they never had (odds are the events of Star Trek III never happened in the Mirror Universe, as another shocker was that David Marcus was still alive) shortly after encountering it for the first time...yeah, they probably could've done it.
Very awesome video.
I, for one, would love a regular Star Trek televised show set in the Mirror Universe. Maybe with transdimensional assaults from the Mirror universe to others to steal technology.
Oh, shit! What a great guest!
I'm so excited!
Hearing this for the first time in 2021, my n*ggas!!!
it's so sad after in a Mirror Darkly was successful in bringing in the Ratings there was a Rumor that there would be a Spin off in the Mirror Universe but thanks to Les Moonves this did not happen because he put Star Trek away for 12 years, this sucks but hopefully they could do that in the Future.
Doug Drexler is always a great guest.
Very cool video.
If the Mirror Universe had the Constitution-class a century before the Prime Universe then wouldn't that have made the Mirror TOS-era Constitution a lot more advanced than its Prime counterpart?
Probably not, because the mirror universe guys do not seem very good at upgrading their technology.
Not necessarily. They would still have to understand the technology then develop technology to reverse engineer the advanced technology. Give a scientists in 1918 a smartphone from 2018 and ask them to replicate it! They wouldn't know where to start.
I'd say they'd glue bigger guns to it but the niceties found aboard a prime Connie would be absent.
ISS Enterprise is our universe.
Doug's got some acting chops!
Like Worf said in TNG. "There were no phasers in the 22nd century". Even in the mirror universe. Those cannons are PULSE LASER CANNONS like it´s written in the ISS Enterprise Tech manual picture. They only got Phaser technology through the USS Defiant afaik. Btw. Nice Episode!
+Trekyards My friends, it is "Broken BOW" as in bow and arrow, not broken bow as in a bow of a ship. It is the name of the town in Oklahoma where the Klingon crashed. It's Native American in origin hence the name Broken Bow.
(And yes there really is a city named Broken Arrow in Oklahoma.)
Broken Bow is quite a nice little town actually, despite the name. ;)
www.brokenbowvacationcabins.com/
It was funny for a little bit, but you guys should've cut back on the "Long live the Empire" salute...that said I love the Mirror episodes in ST, just wish the Enterprise Mirror Mirror arc would've continued to a good ending.
I all ways thought it was interesting the that the two ship designs that revitalized the Terran Empire were both from the Prime Universe and both were named Defiant.
My Starfleet character wears the pre iconian war mirror uniform, ship is the T6 Fleet Hestia in classic Terran gold hull markings
Federation ships in ST:DS9 had both shields and hull polarization. This is evidenced by a line from Garek in the episode "In Purgatory's Shadow."
1:56 The engine configuration on that Warp Delta is nearly identical to that of an Imperial Star Destroyer (from Star Wars)...
Can I mention that it bugs me that the salute in the ENT episode is different from the one in Mirror Mirror. Mirror Mirror's salute was outstretched hand, as done by Doug Drexler, but in the ENT episode it was a fist like you guys were doing.
kadindarklord customs, such as salutes, can change and evolve over time. Maybe the outstretched hand of "Mirror, Mirror" was turned into a fist to avoid potential comparisons by the FCC to a nazi salute? Perhaps to move it closer to the theoretical beginnings of the Terran Empire that began with ancient Rome? This is what makes Trek fun!
I thought it pretty specifically said they were Pulse Phase Canons.
They did in a non-Mirror episode say that Columbia was getting Pulse Phase Canons, so if in the Mirror Universe they rushed weapons tech it would make sense that's what they have.
Also now that we have Star Trek Beyond, where technically things they establish as pre-TOS could be considered canon, Franklin had Pulse Phase Canons that look very similar to that.
We did see Columbia firing her "pulse phase cannons" in an episode, and they, unfortunately, look like regular phase cannons. No real difference.
The pulse cannons ISS E fires are similar to what she brought to bear in Broken Bow, only at a faster rate.
OpenMawProductions I think these are mostly just inconsistencies(that we unfortunately have to treat as canon).
They probably just want to have something fun to shoot in the pilot to excite people. Because afterwards Enterprise suddenly jumps to being completely unarmed saved for uncalibrated Merculite torpedoes.
Then I think Columbia seeming to not shoot pulse phase canons was they just forgot. If I'm not mistaken them mentioning Columbia under construction and getting those happened in Season 4. Then seeing Columbia in action didn't happen till (late?) season 5.
Regardless I think it's safe to say ignoring any other technically, the Empire would focus on weapons tech above all else, it doesn't make sense for them to be using an inferior weapon than the prime timeline Enterprise.
Lance Elliott Plasma pulse cannons
Are you familiar with the fan series Starship Farragut? They did a recent episode called "The Crossing" that dealt with the mirror universe
oh man, that mirror universe crossover make me burst out laughing!
Shame the Legendary version in STO doesn't have this configuration and the Nakhul altered time version as well.
Between conquering several alien races having the Defiant early, and always being at war the Terran Empire would be much more advanced than Starfleet.
I think Doug must have considered when making the ISS Enterprise that the markings are stylized laurel leaves, and the color is gold, long associated with Roman and Byzantine Emperors.
This was my last favorite ship, especially called *Enterprise...*
But every time I hear him talk about the fucking GENIUS that that is the _design_ and _actual logic_ that went into it on both the real world end and within the Canon... It moves up a spot, everyone.
Wish the show would've gotten to show off it's planned, eventual progression into a more familiar *Constitution Class* looking ship.
The one thing that I never understood about the Mirror Universe is that they did not have the Vulcans stopping humans with their NX programme for more than a century as it did with the Primary Universe, so how is it that they took just as long without the Vulcans in this Universe?In the first ENT episode Broken Bow, the young Jonathon Archer says that they would be doing warp 5 if the Vulcans didn't stop them, and that was what 30 years before he commanded Enterprise... So what is with that? I never understood that.
Good episode. I'd quite like to see a Mirror Universe NX Refit, although do you think the Terran Empire made the Refit before or after Starfleet?
Long live the empire.
+Gordon Massie Considering they constantly added and refitted I do not think there was much need for them to create the bigger NX-Refit and once they got the Constitution-class they probably skipped the NX-Refit altogether.
+Enterprise-H Probably although the Constitution Class is 3 times the size of an NX Class, even reverse engineering the Defiant would they be able to make a jump like that? Also I imagine that Empress Hoshi would want the most powerful ship for herself. :)
+Gordon Massie She did claim the most powerful ship for herself , the ISS Nobunaga. She was one of the first Constitutions built by the Terran Empire
+Blood Raven Really, was that in one of the novels?
Gordon Massie One of the post Enterprise novels, a Terran Empire short story called Nobunaga
The NCC 1701 in the start of the video is that from the Blu Rays?
+B.A. Cowles Nope original animation by me :)
i once had a chat with the master drexler and i swear he is a really nice guy it was awsome
Hey Doug, you're pretty good!...
Also with the conquest of Vulcan by the Terrans, they may not have been as advanced.
No Nova class yet? :(
The Mirror universe Rick Berman might actually be able to write good scripts!
Rick Berman sucked hard. He just sucked. Repetitive, unintelligent stories with very little drama. Rigid adherence to rules that might have worked in the 1960s but were archaic by the 2000s. Restricting his actora from showing emotion. Watch a season 4 episode of Stargate SG1 or a season 3 Stargate Atlantis and compare them to most of Voyager and Enterprise.
What's assumed about the radiation hazards of the ISS Enterprise was in line of the TOS fan assumptions that Klingons used expendable slaves in the engine departments of their ships.
doesn't matter if you go a little slower as long as you can destroy them when you get there. Zef just didn't like those pointy ears
I always took that it was implied that the mirror universe was the result of a different decision during first contact stuff with the Borg. "They're good guys, but now we know there is a very serious threat out there (the Borg) these guys (Vulcans) have much more advanced tech, let's take it for ourselves."
+Michael Durkin There is no Borg in the Mirror universe and thus they didn't invade the past which allowed the Enterprise to go back and tell Cochran that the Vulcans were not evil.
wait what? Why are there no Borg in the mirror universe?
What would the mirror universe look like now it's been 12 years now since Enterprises went off just curious /long live the empire
STO's Mirror Universe had gold paint on them, and now they got red paint.
Those aren't pulse phasers. They've been confirmed as plasma cannons.
I wonder if Drexler ever conceived of what a NX Refit Dreadnought would look like ?
+Mark Plott perhaps :3 lol. Infact Showing a Mirror ship with red would be epicly crazy xD.
Maybe it would look like the -A or -B versions like shown in this pic, four nacelles farm8.staticflickr.com/7573/15478369153_4f14b4464d_b.jpg
my theory is those are really just stronger plasma cannons
They are plasma cannons.
I once tried to figure out the Mirror Universe Harry Potter books. My brain imploded.
+gwensdad2003 Harry has no scar there.
I liked this episode, but... ah... could we... ahm... could we lay off the casual heiling next time?
it's Roman salute not nazi
Put commander Cockings in the booth he was saluting with the wrong hand! Long live the EMPIRE!!!!!
He was using the correct hand, His Image was flipped due to Skype.
The mirror universe ISS NX Enterprise should have had an extra nacelle and more external weapons on its outer hull. This would have given it a mean, threatening , and intimidating look. I am surprised they never bothered to make the TOS mirror universe Enterprise episode more threatening and damaged looking configuration ( extra nacalles and weapons) when they added new CGI effects for the Bluray release.
Actually, The Agonizer Booth was first created by the Head of the Shadow Government of Section 31 known as Dick Cheney ;-)
ENSLAVE THE XENO! GAME OF CAPTAINS!
I have a hunch the mirror eugenics wars ended so the augments won and formed the Terran Empire in the year 1996
Problem with the mirror universe is that it is only partially mirrored. Example the Vulcan's should have been just as hostile coming off their ship as we were meeting it. The Klingons and Romulans should have both been pacifist explores and so forth.
Coyote: What happened to you guys?
*dimensions shift*
Black Coyote: Murder everyone. Wolf is dead and I am the alpha dog! LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE
HEHEHEHEHEHE love that guy :)
Oh the hull plating... it's ridiculous hull plating has a percentage. that was just lazy writing.
Doug Drexler (Mirror)
Ok here is a conundrum for you Cpt. Foley. If the mirror universe had ahold of a Connie which was so much more advanced why do you think they didn't progress from there, a fleet of Klingons and Cardassians would have been nothing for the Terran Empire but according to a mirror Kiera Narris the Klingon/Cadassian Allience defeated the Terran Empire at Wolf 359 and enslaved them. This makes me think that the prossibilities for having the normal universe USS-Defient were squandered and they didn't advance as much as they could have.
They probably did advance but their super advancement in tech more than likely left them in a rut by the time the Cardi and Klingon Alliance attacked, until some of the DS9 gang crossed over and accidentally or by force advanced the Terran Empire.
*I'm just going by what I saw in the Mirror episodes of ST.
+Captain Lokiawa It was Spock's reforms that doomed the Empire, Starfleet was a shadow of it's former self by the time of the Alliance conquest
Spock's reforms?
Yeah I noticed from the DS9 Mirror episodes, that the Empire was just a shadow.
***** Mirror Chang led the final assaults with his fleet of enhanced bird of preys
I try to give my STO ships yellow markings, mimicking Imperial ships. The only reason my current ship, a kelvin conny, is named the USS Kodos is because i can't officially call it the ISS Kodos. (Named after a ship from Shattered Universe which in turn is named after Kodos.)
Ah, I love Shattered Universe to bits because it introduced me to all those different ships at an early age.
in mirror universe how would Khan be in their .
Why do you keep harping on better tech commander? The ISS NX is still using it's pulse cannons in the episode. There's clearly some places where they haven't matched prime time. The warp core humming faster could simply mean they run it at a higher "torque" than we do in the prime timeline because the technology isn't as refined? I mean, I never got the impression the Mirror guys were that much better off in any way than we are, and that's the testament to their foolish behavior. They take short cuts, they steal what they aren't smart enough to come up with themselves, and as a result you end up with inferior tech.
The pulse cannons from In a Mirror Darkly are clearly not the same as those from Broken Bow
They fire faster, sure, but who knows if that's at a cost of them overheating faster? If anything it indicates that their cutthroat behavior has forced them to refine more primitive tech instead of making the leap to large scale phased weapons.
If i was the director of this epic episode i would've made de nx-01 the refit with the dedicated engineering section , because why not .. (the one that was supposed to be the season 5 refit) and made this episode one of the top 5 in the STU .
Long live the Empire! (and don't Klingon to any inferior ideas!)
captain foley and commander sam please email me i need to talk to you i would love to be part of your discussion how can i talk with you and stuff
You mean The good Captain Foley.
I liked this episode, but... ah... could we... ahm... could we lay off the casual heiling next time?
+Commander Rotal "could we lay off the casual heiling next time?"
Eh?
there not nazi salute. it's Roman style jeez.