While the anime makes Kaiba the apparent creator of these rules, it's interesting to note that the manga never claims this (the only rules that Kaiba seemed to have a direct hand in were the non-gameplay ones, such as the banlist and wager rules). The rules are simply known as the "Super Expert Rules", seemingly something that was official with Industrial Illusions' game and just wasn't implemented yet during Duelist Kingdom. Prior to Battle City being announced, we see Yugi and Jonouchi dueling in Yugi's hospital room and they're using using the Super Expert Rules, as Yugi tributes two monsters to summon Dark Magician, which proves that the rules already existed in-universe and weren't created specifically for Battle City.
I have my own suspicion about this rule basically created by Industrial Illusions and it came from Gilford the Lightning's effect. Kaiba probably tweaked it for Battle City, but the foundation is still from Industrial Illusions. As we know, Gilford has the effect that if the monster is summoned using three tributes, then it can destroy all monsters the opponent controls upon summoning. As we know as well, Industrial Illusions is in total control of card productions. I doubt Pegasus would create cards usable only in Battle City because in the end, he's still a businessman. With Duelist Kingdom rules, tribute is not needed unless it's a ritual summon, so Gilford's effect text becomes pointless. It's designed for the new rules, not Duelist Kingdom one.
@@adityairawan1843 Good point. There are a few cards that don't make sense without the Super Expert Rules existing. Cost Down and Quick Attack are two more good examples.
@@rob19ny It is possible that Joey was under a lot of stress so it is not unreasonable to think that he might forget something that has just recently been added. Either that or he saw Yugi tributing and just thought: "Huh, how nice of him to randomly destroy his own monsters."
Kaiba's tribute rule not favoring Blue Eyes or Obelisk might have been for his confidence making him decide to go for a handicap but also could be that he knew going in that he'd have to go up against two other god cards so putting them under restrictions would be a way that he could have a better chance of beating them.
I feel like it probably was for making sure he didnt get OTK'd by someone with a god card getting it in their opening hand. Could also see it being him wanting to put a regulation so decks weren't just stacked. Could be his making the game more technical thory. Could also be the show runners just wanting to align the show more to the TCG.
I think it was more because he removed the weird abilities that monsters had before Battle City (Kuriboh exploded, Mammoth Graveyard rotted, Attacking the moon, etc) but if he only removed that, then without a nerfing, it'd make winning too easy since Blue Eyes would be a 3000 atk monster that is easy to summon and opponents would have a much harder time countering it. So by giving himself a minor nerf, he justified removing one of the largest threats to his monsters...
Imagine trying to update the Battle City rules for today's TCG game and how interesting that would be? For example: Any monster summoned from the extra-deck cannot attack the turn it is summoned.
itd be interesting to see if that ruling would extend to Resurrected Pendulums, there not actually Extra Deck Monsters but reside in the extra deck when defeated.
Summoning sickness would do nothing if you can set up a cracked board. I mean its just like first turn then, and a lot of decks can make a cracked t1 board
Tribute / advance summon mechanics might be a lot more popular and widely used if TCG / OCG implemented this rule and extended it to Synchro, Xyz, and Link instead of overcompensating stuff like how True Draco ended up being.
@@brandonvasser5902 so something like: "Offering to the Gods" [intended to be used with Obelisk and the like. only Kaiba, Atem, and DSOD Kaiba have the skill] Target one fusion monster you control that was special summoned from the extra deck. Until the end of this this turn, that monster can be used as many tributes for a tribute summon as the same number of monsters that were used for that monster's fusion summon. This skill can only be used once per turn. [The original text only mentioned extra deck summoned monsters, but they nerfed it to fusion only to avoid synchro and, mostly, XYZ due to generic materials.]
That's why Hinotama was banned yet Card of Demise, Crush Card, Virus Cannon, and other blatantly broken cards that Kaiba just so happened to use weren't.
@@Zetact_ They are all broken cards, but the most broken cards have to be card of safe return and revival jam, like what the actual hell was Pegasus thinking when he made those cards. Like not even Yugi could win properly against them, so he had to trap the guy in an infinite loop and make him deck out. Seriously wtf Pegasus.
2 rules exclusive to the manga: A. ALL special summoned monsters cannot attack the turn they are summoned, not just fusion monsters. Hence why Yugi and Kaiba never tried the same monster reborn strat as Marik, Marik got away with it because Ra had a built in quick attack effect. B. Your Monster and Spell/Trap slots are merged and you only have 5 of them, meaning you can only control 5 total Monster, Spell and Trap cards at any given time. Hence why Marik never supplemented his God 5 Slifer strategy with any of the cards he drew
@@pnyhmsmx I am actually a little curious now what would of happened if this rule was in place from the start, hard 5 card limit on the number of cards you have. How would that have informed the progression of the card game IRL
When I was at a camp as a kid we would say we were playing "battle City rules" but it just meant winner gets the loser's rarest card. It was kind of a blood bath of trying to win back each other's stuff
It may have been dub-only, but the "Hard One Spell Card of a specific Name" rule was also referenced in Joey (Jounichi) vs. Espa Roba. The Roba brothers on the roof pick out a Graceful Dice card in Joey's hand, and spot him drawing a 2nd "Dice" card they misidentify as another Graceful Dice. When Joey's Graceful Dice gave him an unfavorable roll, Joey started to play his 2nd Dice card, but Espa was saying Joey was pulling an illegal move, saying that since Graceful Dice was already activated, another couldn't be played that turn, before Joey plays his card, revealing "Skull Dice" instead, which rolled in favor of Joey to turn the duel as well as expose Espa's fraud. Also, the 40-card deck rule must be closer to the RL rules of 40-60 cards; Joey vs. Weevil was tampered when Weevil had a random kid plant Parasite Paracide in Joey's deck, bumping his deck to 41 cards. This is also true for Joey vs. Mako when Joey forgot to remove Parasite Paracide from his deck prior to his duel. I'm sure Kaiba's Duel Disks would be able to note the discrepancy and prevent the duels from an "Illegal Deck Count" if there was a strict 40-card limit, yet both continued despite Joey's 41-card deck.
You know, I never thought to question it before but was Dark Magician really Yugi's rarest card? I mean it is his signature card so it being the one he is associated with for the tournament is not at all odd but Yugi has a large collection of cards due to living at a game shop. Wouldn't perhaps Black Luster Soldier or Magician of Black Chaos be more rare than Dark Magician? Since no big deal was ever made about the Dark Magician but a pretty big deal was made about those two when he used them.
In the original manga, Ritual and Fusion monsters weren’t physical cards themselves but rather advanced forms of whatever monster was used as the base so Dark Magician for Magician of Chaos and Gaia the Fierce Knight for Black Luster Soldier. Thus Dark Magician is the rarest physical card Yugi had in his deck at that time.
There’s one rule I’ve found that wasn’t mentioned in the video: Effects that require the player and the opponent to have cards in their hand can be activated even if one of the players has no cards in their hand.
You mean effects that tell you to discard your hand? Or are there any occasions where duelists ignore additional costs that require them to discard an x number of cards?
i think thats just the anime in general, not just the battle city tournament. little yugi uses the "discard all, to excavate a spell"-spell" in the final duel too. shallow grave can also be activated, if only you have monsters in your grave for example. also you can KO yourself by paying life points.
@@Gab8riel No no. It means that a card that lets both players draw cards but the opponent doesn’t have any cards they’re allowed to draw the certain number of cards required. Like for example Card of Sanctity
I always wanted to see Kaiba held accountable for the outrageous carnage of the tournament especially in the Manga. In the span of 24 hours there are muggings, stabbings, kidnappings and attempted murders. There were quite a few successful murders as Yami Bakura murders at least three people. Haga ( Weevil) sprays poison in a kids face. That isn't even mentioning the rampant cheating. Still best arc in the anime and especially the manga.
The reason yugi could summon his dmg vs Pandora is because in the manga dark magic curtain says either player can use its effect that turn. Since pandora didn’t know about dmg he wasn’t worried
That’s kinda the point everyone thought Yugi cheated. Then again if you calculate real life Brain Control effect of 800 LP in that duel Yugi would have lost if it was in real life
9:54 Honestly I'd say best example was when Pharaoh's and Arkana's Dark Magician's destroyed each other and both duelists quick-played Monster Reborn at the same time.
Or Kaiba using it to summon Obelisk to protect Lord of Dragons, though that is an odd case, since up to this point, unless in a tag duel, you can't just substitute an attack target with a different monster.
@@GamingTopTen in that duel, Kaiba had activated a card that allowed both players to activate all spells as quick play spells from the hand or field. Which seemed redundant
I think you made Kaiba's Spell Sanctuary, a continuous spell card that gave all other spells the Quickplay classification in addition to their own rule 20
No all spells can be quickspells in battle city, but i think it's only in the battle phase, Joey uses Shield and Swords in weevil's battle phase for exemple
@@vivienjoly7617 If you watch the Japanese dub, roninwarriorsfan is right, however this does sound redundant. From what I can tell, Season 3 changed the rules from Season 2 for no apparent reason, but the effect of Spell Sanctuary changed them back.
@@computernerd1101 spell sanctuary is only activated during the yugi/kaiba duel, and the characters activate their spell cards as quickspells during all the arc, but like i said, i think they only use them during the battle phase of the 2 players
@@TrueBladeSoul yes you're absolutely right, but like i said, it was only used during the yugi/kaiba duel and other players activate normal spell cards during the other players turns during battle city
I think u miss a rule: Rule 26: De-fusion can stop the battle phase The evidence is in the duel between yugi and kaiba in the semi finals when yugi uses de-fusion on blue eyes ultimate. Ending kaiba's battle phase and winning him the duel next turn. You could say yugi put those blue eyes in defense mode but then yugi deals damage with dark paladin the next turn by attacking those blue eyes
Considering the "Fusion monsters count as a number of tributes equal to the number of invested fusion materials" ruling, I wouldn't be surprised if declaring an attack with a fusion monster also counted as having declared attacks for each of it's materials; When Ultimate Dragon attacks, it counts as all 3 Blue-Eyes having attacked, so when Ulti gets Defused mid attack back into 3 dragons, none of them can proceed to attack further because "they all already attack this turn when they were Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon".
Interestingly enough, that's not a battle city rule, but an anime rule. After all, how many times has a GX character *cough* Jaden *cough* used defusion mid battle like this? So yeah it is a shenanigan, but not exclusively a battle city one.
@@godsman00 as far as I am aware jaden has used de-fusion both offensively and defensively but never broken the rules of fusion (apart for the whole d-hero banishment thing but that may be a anime rule)
@@dragonknight1560 yet, is the de-fusion only battle city since yugi used that against Noah to score the win? So was it a battle city rule or anime? If anime then did Noah’s duels in the virtual world due to duel masters basically had their own rules outside of choosing the duel master (blanking on actual name, sorry)
anime rules are all a bit weird, because they have the impossible task of adapting the crazy stuff from the manga while still advertising the real life cardgame. In the manga you could only play one spell and one trap from your hand per turn, in the same way that you can only summon one monster. That's why Espa wasn't worried about Joey's two Graceful Dices, he can only play one, with the twist being that the other card was Skull Dice, a trap card. The rule didn't exist in the real life game though and fillers had everybody play many more spells, so they changed the exact details up into players not being able to play the exact same card twice per turn.
in fact, the anime had to go further and actually make Skull Dice a spell card because otherwise the Roba-brothers would have been able to tell that it was a different card from the classic pink border
this is actually incorrect.1) skull dice was a spell in the manga, and 2) espa wasnt worried because the fact that joey couldnt play two graceful dices, because only one graceful dice can be used a turn. this stops joey from using two graceful dice at the same time and boosting swordsman of landstar by 12 if he gets lucky.
Actually, I don't think the anime had to advertise the card game... the card game instead was advertisement for the anime.... I think Yugioh gave more focus on the actual card game more after 5ds... like, they still cared somewhat, but during the Gx and 5ds era, the shows existed to be shows rather than just advertisement. They weren't fully bound by the rules of the Konami Card game yet and seemed to have some freedom from it.
@@captaincaterpie Since Chains don't exist in the anime, wouldn't anime Graceful Dice be impossible to activate twice on one monster anyway? Given that its requirement is to target a monster with 500 or less ATK, and ny resolving it will almost invariably multiply a monster's ATK higher than that.
@@elijahpadilla5083 It doesnt matter anyway since there is no way to use Graceful Dice on the same monster twice. The anime version of that spell only works on monsters with 500 atk or less.
Esparoba actually mentioned it in his duel against Joey when his brothers were spying on Joey's hand they mistaken his skull dice for graceful dice and said "you can only activate 1 graceful dice per turn".
@@arrownoir Darn Well then its an anime-only line since the manga doesnt mention it. (or the viz translation is bad) But again it sorta makes sense, since Graceful Dice cannot boost the same monster twice once it no longer has 500 ATK ... Unless the monster started out with 100 ATK, lol.
8:42 In the manga, you could only activate one spell and one trap per turn, so that may be why. You also weren’t allowed to have more than five cards on the field at a time.
@@elijahpadilla5083 In the episode he uses a card for each letter and needs to have a space in his duel disk to play them. I recommend watching it again, good duel.
Regarding fusion summoning and quick attack: In the manga it's specified that SPECIAL SUMMONED monsters aren't allowed to attack the same turn they are summoned. Fusion Summoning happened to be the #1 special summoning at the time but it also concerned monster reborn and the god cards (when resurrected) as far as I remember (Kaiba mentions it when he analyzes Ra's abilities)
They started claiming Special Summoned monsters couldn't attack somewhat late into the arc as a way to show how powerful Ra was that it could circumvent that rule. However, before that rule was stated we saw several Special Summoned monsters attack the turn they were summoned. Examples include: Pandora's Dark Magician summoned with Dark Magic Curtain, Haga's Insect Queen summoned with Pinch Hopper, Yugi's Buster Blader summoned with Monster Reborn, Mask of Darkness's The Masked Beast which was Ritual Summoned, Kaiba's Blue-Eyes summoned with Monster Reborn, Mask of Light's Masked Beast Des Gardius summoned with Chosen One, Yugi's Valkyrion the Magna Warrior summoned with its own effect, and even later we see Kaiba attack with two Blue-Eyes who were summoned that turn with Flute of Summoning Dragon.
@@InvaderWeezle for the example with monster reborn against slifer, Yami in the manga set monster reborn first (along with summoning big shield guardna). So technically he could’ve activated monster reborn during string’s/Marik’s turn then brain control on his turn.
You missed one that actually could explain some things You can only set one trap card facedown on the field In the manga Temple of the Kings explicity says you can set two cards
That’s a pretty good reason why Joey didn’t play too many cards during his Duel with Marik. You also weren’t allowed to have more than 5 cards on the field at a time.
8:15 Okay, that rule has big ramifications for the Joey vs Kaiba duel. If he used Graverobber on Crush Card Virus, then it would go to his graveyard (possibly whether or not he could activate it), and would no longer be bound by its effects. Then he could use Monster Reborn on *any* of his own monsters, or have a lot more possibilities.
I thought the same thing when I watched the Joey vs Kaiba video. I didn't say anything because I don't know if Graverobber can steal a card if the card can't be used. If Crush Card can't be used due to a lack of targets, can he even steal it?
To be fair, was there anything he had that was more useful than Blue eyes? Jinzo maybe, but I can't think of any heavy hitters he could've clutched it out with.
Joey didn't have anything worth bringing out, nothing he had could beat a Blue-Eyes, and it was very common knowledge that Kiaba always cheeses out his Blue-Eyes. I always gripped about how he attacked Blade Knight over Kaiser Seahorse, and you can't make the excuse that he didn't know it's effect because he watched part of Kaiba's duel with Noah and a good portion of Yugi's duel with Noah, so he should have assumed that Kaiser Seahorse's effect had something to do with manipulating the tributing of LIGHT Attribute monsters
@wanderesq: If it was not against the rules then joey would have done so, remember when he said in battle city rules the graveyard is not publick knowlege, meaning he could only steal what is not publick knowlege, and since crush card virus as an effect in the graveyard it is the only card that remain publick knowlege, so that is why he can't
Suggestions Yami yugi vs seto kaiba (battle city semi finals) Yami Yugi vs Rafael (round 2) Yami yugi vs yugi muto (ceremonial duel) Jaden vs zane (second duel) Aster vs zane (pro league) Zane vs syrus (gx tournament) Jaden vs Possessed Jesse Yusei vs kalin (round 1) Yusei vs akiza (round 1) Leo, Luna and Jack vs Aporia Yusei vs Z-One Yuma vs Nash Yuma vs astral Yuma vs kite round 3 Kite vs Mizar (on the moon) Nash vs Vector Yuma, Shark and Kite vs Dr Faker (another 3v1) Shay vs sora (arc league tournament) Yuya vs Declan round 2 Zarc vs everyone Yuto vs Yugo Yuya vs Yuri Declan vs Riley Shay vs Kite
The tribute/fusion summon monster= number of tributes is maybe where they got the idea of using a link monsters link rating to help with link summoning high rated ones, ie. Say your trying to summon Firewall Dragon, a link 4 that needs 2+ monsters, you can use a link 3 like Decode Talker to get 3 of the 4 monsters required in the link rating.
I think Rule 9 came about because Kaiba tried summoning Obelisk without tributing when experimenting in that duel lab and found that it wouldn't work properly so using his technology he devised a way to be able to summon a God card which eventually led to tributes being required.
Regarding rule 18: I believe Kaiba uses two flute of summon dragon cards to beat Lumis and Umbra in their first encounter, before they wore their masks. Happened randomly in the middle of an episode with Mako Tsunami vs Joey Wheeler
@@phtuber5469 Even if we ignore Yugi's plot armor, Kaiba threw the duel in the end. During one of the final turns Kaiba uses monster Reborn to summon back his third Blue-Eyes so he can fusion summon Blue-Eyes Ultimate. If he had just Reborned Obelisk instead and used its effect to tribute the other 2 Blue-Eyes he would've won.
@@PutoML I know they can't attack, however Obelisk doesn't need to attack to use one of it's effects to my knowledge. From the sources I have found online previously, Obelisk has two main effects. If this Attack Position card battles (Quick Effect): You can Tribute 2 other monsters; this card's ATK becomes ∞ during the Damage Step only. If this card is in Attack Position (Quick Effect): You can Tribute 2 other monsters; destroy all monsters your opponent controls, and if you do, inflict 4000 damage to your opponent. This card cannot declare an attack the turn you activate this effect. The second effect only requires Obelisk to be in attack mode but not actually attack.
If I'm not mistaken, Dark Magic Curtains anime effect was, "This turn, both players can pay half their life points to special summon a Spellcaster type monster from their deck.''
I wonder how all those people who accused Yugi of cheating particularly because of Dark Magic Curtain and Flute of Summoning Dragons would look now if they saw this. This shit is exactly what I've been telling people for a long time.
Actually, the rule was wrong; it's just that in the manga and anime, the cards had the effect of effecting BOTH sides... it's just that in both cases, the opponents didn't think Yugi would have the card necessary in his hand... At the time, it wasn't known that Yugi had DMG and Kaiba didn't expect Yugi to have one of his two dragon monsters in his hand...
All these years and I still can't figure out the duelists Kaiba beat for his six locator cards. I'll just chalk it up to "screw the rules I have money".
Of those 6, he was dueling Lumos & Umbra (but only took Lumos' locator cards for his own) with Yugi...twice, and that one guy he stomped with Obelisk. so the same opponents twice & 1 bully + 3 unknown duelists
@@roninwarriorsfan Fun fact about that bully: he and Dark Yugi had a shadow game in one of the earlier manga chapters where it looks like Yugi had killed him, only for him to pop up here in Battle City perfectly fine and apparently having learned nothing from his penalty game. His chapter was sadly skipped by season 0, making Battle City his first animated appearance. He is also in Pyramid of Light, in the background among the group of duellists who want to battle Yugi at his school to win the God Cards, although coloured differently than in the anime.
@@kurtwatson3768 He did, which is how he gained control of Ra despite Mai being the one to summon it. It was still in a language that Joey wouldn't understand unless you mean the dub, which was only English for convenience.
*A LIST OF ALL THE RULES* -Participants must have a ranking of at least five out of eight stars (manga and original anime) or level three out of five (English dub anime) to receive a free Duel Disk, which is required to participate. -Players must play with a Deck of at least forty cards, with at least one rare card in it. -Players begin with 4000 Life Points. -Players can only have up to 6 cards in his or her hand unless the card "Infinite Cards" is in play on his/her side of the field. In the manga, the hand limit is 7. -Players have a maximum of five minutes to think during their turn. -One Normal Summon is allowed per player per turn. Monsters can be Summoned in face-up Attack Position, face-up Defense Position or face-down Defense Position. -Level 4 or below monsters can be Summoned during a Normal Summon. -Level 5-6 monsters needed one Tribute in order to Normal Summon. -Level 7-9 monsters required two Tributes to Normal Summon. -Level 10+ monsters required three Tributes to normal summon (e.g "The Winged Dragon of Ra", Level 10). -When a Fusion Monster is Tributed, that monster is counted as a number of monsters equal to the number of Fusion Material Monsters that were used. -Fusion Monsters must wait one turn after they are Summoned before they can attack, though the "Quick Attack" card can be used to circumvent this. In the manga, any monster Ritual Summoned or Special Summoned from the Graveyard also cannot attack the turn it is Special Summoned. -If a player has no monsters on their field, their opponent can attack directly. -Each player must ante at least their rarest card and a minimum of one Locator Card in their possession. The winner of the Duel obtains their opponent's rarest card and Locator Card, as wagered. -The contents of either player's Graveyards are not public knowledge, and an opponent may not look through their opponent's Graveyard. -If you have to discard cards from your hand or Deck, you do not have to show them to your opponent. -You must stick to the tournament's list of forbidden and limited cards. Cards that directly damage[note 1] players or monsters, such as "Raigeki" and "Hinotama" were forbidden. Only one copy of "Monster Reborn" could be included in one's Deck. -Certain cards that enabled players to Special Summon one specific Type of monster(s) can affect both sides of the field ("Dark Magic Curtain" and "The Flute of Summoning Dragon", for example). -Players were not allowed to use two or more Magic Cards of the same name that increase a card's ATK points within the same turn. -The opponent can activate a card or card effect before the turn player draws a card during their Draw Phase. -If a monster is offered as a Tribute by the effect of another card while being attacked by an opponent's monster, the enemy's attack is negated. The Japanese version of the anime and manga calls this rule, "Sacrifice Escape". -Replays are not an established mechanic. While a direct attack is occurring because the attacked player controls no monsters, if the attacked player adds a monster to their side of the field, that monster intercepts the attack; if a monster is targeted for an attack, but it leaves the field before damage calculation, the attack ends. -Players can Set Field Spell Cards in their Spell & Trap Card Zones but when they activate them, they get moved to the Field Zone. -Field Spell Cards can be activated during the Battle Phase. -A non-Quick Play Spell Card can be activated during the Battle Phase. -A Set non-Quick Play Spell Card can be activated during your opponent's turn. -When a Spell or Trap is destroyed by a card effect, it is negated even if the card that destroyed the Spell/Trap doesn't negate its effects. -A monster that becomes an Equip Card is treated as both a monster and an Equip Card. -Effects that require the player and the opponent to have cards in their hand can be activated even if one of the players has no cards in their hand. -Tokens do not take up a Monster Zone. -When a Token is Summoned, it becomes the attack target instead. -When a card is sent to the Graveyard, it is sent to the controller's Graveyard, not the owner's.
They should add a modified rule 9 to the real game, where level 9 & 10 require 3 tributes & level 11 & 12 require 4. They should also add a modified rule 24, where any special summoned monster counts as the number of *named* monster materials for tributes, *as long as they're properly summoned first.* This rule also applies to the materials of the special summoned monster. Ex. Blue Eyes Ultimate Dragon, Blue Eyes Shining Dragon & Gate Guardian = 3 tributes Majestic Star Dragon = 2 tributes VWXYZ Tiger Catapult Dragon Canon = 5 tributes 5 headed dragon or Blue Eyes Ultimate Dragon summoned with Cyber-Stein or BESD summoned with that BEUD = 1 tribute
I’ve waited so long for someone to make a video on these rules, because as it seems to me, certain kind of people can’t read when watching the anime or reading the manga. But I think you’re missing a lot of things. I demand some updates to this video. 1. Not just Fusion Monster, but any monsters Special Summoned from the Extra Deck (Fusion Deck) and Special Summoned from the GY must wait 1 turn. The Fusions are the only one that exist in DM so that’s why the Anime and Manga only apply to them. Evidences to the point: - Yugi summoned Kaiba’s 3 Blue-Eyes from the GY during his Duel with Kaiba and Kaiba did not attack with them. - Marik also mentioned this rule in his Duel against Bakura. That’s why Ra has a Special Effect that allows it to attack whenever it is summoned. 2. Cards that do direct damage without cost is not allowed. However, cards that deal damage with an attach cost or condition is allowed. Evidence to the point: - Marik uses Nightmare Mirror in his Duel against Jonouchi. Unlike you mentioned in this video, all cards in Marik’s Deck is real. Only cards in his minions’ Deck are fake. Do you think why Marik created an international crime organization to steal rare cards if he himself can’t use them? 3. In addition to to normal attack, some number of cards gain Special Attack that attack outside of the Battle Phase. These attack can still be blocked by certain card effects that can block normal ones, like Swords of Revealing Light. Evidences to the point: - In Yugi’s Duel against Doll, Osiris’s Special Attack can’t attack and destroy Kuriboh because Doll’s Nightmare Steelcage exists on the field. - We see this rule appears again outside of Battle City. In Yugi’s Duel against Bakura in the Memory World Arc, Gandora’s attack is treated as a Special Attack. 4. Only 1 Spell/Trap can be Set during your turn. This is only applied in Manga and do not transfer well to the Anime. That’s why in some Duel, you can see why the character didn’t make some more optimal play. Exchange is usually the card attributed to this. Edit: As someone has mentioned in the comment section, an Evidence to this point would be Temple of the Kings. It allows its controller to Set 2 cards instead of 1. 5. The Rules that are applied during Battle City are not necessarily created by Kaiba. They are referred in the Manga as Super Expert Rules, in contrast to the Standard Rules that are applied during Duelist Kingdom. Which means at some point in the past, Pegasus created them, and Kaiba only chooses to enforce it in his tournament. These Rules are like different formats exist in the current Yugioh, like Goat, Traditional or Common Charity. This list will get updated when there are more to come.
Regarding possibly being forbidden from using two identical spell cards in the same turn... Wasn't there one duel with Kaiba and Yugi on the same team, and Kaiba used two Flutes of Summoning Dragon at once?
Battle City - The arc where Joey fully broke out as a duellist (Duellist Kingdom showed his improvement, but he really reached the pinnacle in BC) Amazing duel against Odion THAT duel with Marik More than hold his own against Kaiba in the Battle For Bronze Back on topic , I hated how Fusion monsters couldn’t attack on the turn they were summoned and most duellists had to use the Quick Attack magic/spell card in order to do so
To be fair, in the anime, if you had Polymerization, you could fuse any cards to make a fusion summon... it's not as limited as it is in real life with actually needing the fusion monster itself... So the card is an easy special summon that could happen randomly... and that rule balanced the fusion summon mechanic... In real life, cards can't magically appear in thin air... so fusion is a lot less broken...
To clarify your rules about one copy of a Spell per turn and Quick Plays: This is because of the manga. Each player could only use one Spell from their hand per turn and set only one Trap per turn. If you wanted to use more than one spell per turn, those spells not activated from your hand, would have to be set from a previous turn. All Spells are also quick play and can be played at anytime. These rules with spells and traps were to give a sort of resource system so you couldn’t just play 10 broken ass spells each turn
Compatible attack types can combine their attacks for increased damage, like Summoned Skull's lightning + Alpha's magnetism resulting in a single attack of 2500 + 1400 damage, + a 200 combination bonus. High level monsters can be sent directly to the GY by illegally Summoning them without tributes. This still takes up your Normal Summon. Not that you need the above ruling though, since apparantly it's legal to just discard cards from your hand whenever you want, unless Bonz wrongly thought this was legal (at first he thought Yami Bakura "just" discarded his hand out of cockiness, not by an effect/cost).
It should be noted that generally speaking, cards in Yugioh exist in the manga first, anime second, then finally the OCG/TCG. If card has an effect that it doesn't in the anime, it's due to the OCG/TCG makers. The artwork for a lot of cards comes directly from the manga, so it's the ultimate authority in such matters. Kaiba didn't actually create Battle City rules, they were called the "Super Expert Rules" and already existed, and it stands to reason that cards have different effects depending on which ruleset is being used. A lot of the "useless" monsters with low ATK/DEF but with more than four stars are perfectly playable in the 2000 LP quick-play ruleset, and I'm sure a lot of cards were made just for that format.
Kaiba didn’t actually create the rules. At least not in the manga. In the manga this rule set existed for a little while before the tournament and was called “Super expert rules” Kaiba decided to use these rule in his tournament for two reasons. 1 it was the latest rule set for elite tournaments and it would be strange for him to use an older rule set. 2. It is the only thing that nerfed the gods. Remember in the anime/manga the gods don’t have the three tributes as an effect. That’s only because the were the only non fusion level 10 monster to my knowledge.
Rule 14 Cards that are destroyed goes to the user graveyard explains how Yugi was able to beat Strings. I was wondering why Revival Jam was being revived on Yugi side.
That rule doesn't apply in this scenario. Brain Control lets him keep control of a monster until the end of the turn. In the context of the anime Revival Jam never goes to the graveyard because it doesn't die. It just regenerates.
rule 18 is kinda stated in the duel with Joey Vs Espa Rosa when the whole "you can't activate 2 graceful dice on the same turn" which joey had a graceful dice and a skull dice" but this I think was the only time this was ever explained in the show
The spells being treated as quick play is sketchy, because in the semi finals, Kaiba played a field spell that treated all spells as quick play, so either this rule didn’t apply in the finals, or Kazuki Takahashi messed up.
If we're to take the Spells as Quick-Play thing in other duels at face value and not just assume they're errors or for dramatic effect or something, then it's possible that you can only do that in the Battle Phase, while Spell Sanctuary let you do it in any phase. (Since we see Yugi use Change of Heart in the Main Phase.)
You know it would be interesting to actually play these rule set in the card game now. But there needs a rule limit for links. Like tokens cannot be used for link summoning unless it's by effect or summoning requirement for that link monster. And make it work for Synchros as well, unless the tuner like Mare Mare effect goes off, making tokens to Synchro play. It have to be a tuner or synchro requirement to use tokens. Now that will be interesting to play BCT rules in modern YGO.
In the manga, players could only play one spell and one trap per turn, including setting cards. The anime changed this but just had characters hesitate for no reason sometimes in order to adapt the manga duels.
I think there's one additional rule that if a duelist is rendered unable to continue for ANY reason, they are considered to have lost, no replays of duels if the person recovers. But this is more realistically an issue of time, and would be pretty standard. However, due to Kaiba's own personal greed, this option was a valid option to defeat an opposing duelist, and both Odion and Joey lost because of an inability to continue. Something I also noticed is that when Yugi beats Strings, he does so by forcing him to draw outside of the draw phase, so Card of Safe Return is compulsory. This means that the rule of losing if unable to draw in the draw phase extends to any time the game forces you to draw, which I don't think is pointed out in that manga text shown earlier but is standard for real world YGO if I remember right.
I can think of at least one instance where the exactly 40 card deck rule was broken. In the Yugi vs Marik finals, Kaiba shows up to give Yugi the Fiend's Sanctuary spell card to counter Ra. He tosses it to Yugi, who looks at it and adds it to his deck. But wouldn't he already have 40 cards going into the duel? He never removes any card, so his deck would now be 41 cards.
Stuff like this happens all the time. They side deck off screen. Otherwise lots of characters would be fucked by the ante rule even if they still had locator cards.
@@Celtic1020 Of course things can happen off-screen. But side decking off-screen means they still likely have 40 cards once done. What Yugi did was just take one extra card and add to his already complete deck without removing any other card, thus making it contain at least 41 cards, not 40.
@@TheDeathmail I went back to the episode in question to make sure I remember everything correctly. And sure enough, Yugi takes the card Kaiba gives him, and all on screen adds it to his deck, shuffles and places the deck back in the duel disk. The duel then starts shortly thereafter. There is no removal of any card at any point. That deck had a minimum of 41 cards at the moment that duel got underway, unless Yugi had just 39 cards in the deck just as the duel was about to start, which would be even more ridiculous than starting the duel with 41 cards. Honestly, like it's mentioned in the video, rules are casually broken here and there. And it might even be that the rule isn't to have EXACTLY 40 cards, but AT LEAST 40 cards, and we're looking at some mistranslation. Even if it's not, Yugi having a 41 card deck as the duel starts is probably the least serious cheat anyone has ever done in the history of Yu-Gi-Oh.
The battle city rules and the original anime in general made for some great duels between me and my friends until we went more in depth with learning the official rules for competitive dueling 😅😂
You are the ONLY person I’ve ever seen on YT make the transition into the Ad so clever and flow nicely. You really are leveling up mate. Keep up the good work 👍
9:38 if all spells could be activated on the battle phase then why Kaiba used that coliseum card that made every spell be treated as a quick play spell in his duel against Yugi?
You know, another thing I noticed was that, while the sacrifice rule addition seems to hinder Kaiba a lot, he did that while also removing monster abilities.... not effects, but the freedom and weird random powers the monsters had (Kuriboh explodes, Battle Ox is super effective against fire types, Mammoth Graveyard rots, etc) And if he didn't add the sacrifice rule while also taking away the abilities, then the duel will obviously seem rigged since it'd give him way too huge of an advantage. And being able to use spells each once per turn also protects his Blue Eyes more... Who'd trust a tournament where Kaiba gives himself way too obvious an advantage by destroying any equalizing factors other monsters would have had???
That is insane turning every spell card into a quickplay just by setting it. Opponent wipes my monsters on the field and is going for a direct attack *BAM* Dark Hole quickplay.
The reason for adding tributes is because the original Japanese run of the arc in the comics coincided with the release of first real life version of Duel Monsters, so the rules in the comics were updated to be more in line with the official rules. Since the second Yu-Gi-Oh TV series (the first one that was dubbed) is primarily an adaptation of the Duelist Kingdom, Battle City, and Millennium World arcs it follows this change as well, with the rules updating at the same point plot-wise.
I always figured that they just ignored the rules. It's crazy if the rules were actually consistent? Are there any examples of direct contradictions of rules in Battle City that you found?
rule 18 - you can only play a unique spell card once per turn I actually think this would make the current game better, the game for me has turned into way too much recycling and I honestly think this could be a great change for creaitng more strategic matches
i absolutely love that u can place spell card and as reward for ur strategic thinking and risk u get rewarded by them becoming quick spells. gives the duel more uniqueness and more interaction between each player so its not a 1 sided turn all the time
Iirc the first battle with Umbra and Lumis, (unsure if it followed the rules since it was played quickly) Kaiba uses 2 Flutes of Summoning Dragon in the first turn
Would be interesting to see if the anime's internal rules had changed in Kaiba's other tournament, the filler arc Grand Prix. I know that filler arcs tended to be closer to the real rules - a lot of the weird stuff in Battle City came from lifting parts of the duel from the manga, which was written before the game was out - so I'm curious if the KC Grand Prix differs from Battle City in rules. Like I know the real explanation is "filler arc, also card game was already out" but it could be fun to look at it from a "Okay let's see Kaiba's new rules" perspective. I *think* that for example the "spell cards during opponent's turn" rule doesn't work there, for example, but I could be wrong.
For the Ceremonial Duel and by the time of GX the rules in the anime were basically the same as the real game, but they were still able to pull shenanigans with anime exclusive and anime effect cards.
Almost all anime-original duels post-Battle City follow OCG rules. Many Battle City duels were revised to follow the OCG rules more closely such as extending the length to fit anime episodes or minimizing the "spells during your opponent's turn" thing you mentioned. Of course they couldn't be changed completely while keeping the major moments from the manga.
I was so confused when re-watching Kaiba and Yugi battle city Duel because Yugi used change of heart in Kaiba's turn, I thought that was a cheat that kaiba, the tournament creator and sponsor, didn't catch. But ok, it was legal to do that apparently.
I am currious for people who play yugioh, how do you think a limit to the amount of special summons in one turn would change the game? For arguments sake we will say 3 special and 1 normal.
It should be noted that the summon sickness thing on the Fusion monsters actually extended to ALL special summoned monsters in the manga. This is apart of the reason why Mai summoned Ra in her duel against Marik (the special summoned Harpies couldn't attack, so she didn't have game without summoning Ra), and why the Egyptian God to make good use of Monster Reborn was Ra (it had an effect to circumvent that rule while the others would be sent back to the GY before they could get an attack in).
In the duel with kaiba and yugi he usted spell sanctuary And in the sub they explain “I can use spells card during your turn “ And this applies to both players Seethe episode in Japanese kaiba kaiba deadass says it So if there is a explanation Then what about the other times yugi and god know who else where able to do it since they didn’t have spell sanctuary
@9:26 I do not, but I might have an example to further support your theory. This would be the Duel between Joey and Espa. Espa cheated by having an earpiece and having his brothers look at Joey's hand, the brothers however messed up a card in Joey's hand and thought Joey placed 2 Graceful dice cards on Joey's field (I don't know how they messed up a graceful dice and skull dice because the cards have differend colours being green and purple because they're a magic and a trap card), and during the activation of Joey's face down cards Espa claimed that Joey could only activate 1 graceful dice.
Just noticed that when they were showing the rarest cards of each duelist, weavile has perfectly ultimate great moth as his most rarest card (atleast it looks like it). So does this mean that they changed this later so Joey could atleast use it? Or was it an animation error?
I think Rule 25 is wrong. Instead, it was those specific cards that had effects that both players could take advantage of... so it wasn't an actual rule rather than the cards themselves allowing that....
But here is the thing... if Konami makes rules, we won't know if they were the real rules... hell, even the creator might not know at this point since it was SO long ago.... So I'd rather not know it from them...
The rules are crazy and fun at the same time 😁 Good job on the detailed explanation, because it is hard to realise what they were just watching the yugioh anime, considering all wtf moments that were going on there 👌🤙👍
I have to say battle city was both super cool and gave me the biggest and most frequent headaches. It was so much closer to the real game but still constantly was playing by DM nonsense. And because of that it gave me huge fucking headaches. One of the biggest offenders was Joey versus weevil because when insect queen was eating weevils other monsters, first they reused the eating animation even though the monsters didn’t match what she was eating versus what we will sacrificing, and then suddenly they did. So they made a whole separate animation for the correct monster but just decided not to use it the first time for whatever fucking reason
3rd time this card thing came into play was Espa Roba (in the dubbed) saying Joey cannot activate more than one graceful dice in the same turn. That flexispot desk is pretty cool, gotta look into getting one
I think the first rule about the deck size might be that the decks must be at least 40 cards. An example indicating the possibility that decks could have been larger was when the 4-way duel was done at the Duel Tower to determine the semi-final pairings. Roland says that duelists must limit their decks to 40 cards for that duel, most likely in the event that players could have been adding the rare cards they won to their decks without making substitutions. We also see Yugi immediately add Fiend's Sanctuary into his deck as the platform rises to duel Marik, no opportunity to swap out a card for it.
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While the anime makes Kaiba the apparent creator of these rules, it's interesting to note that the manga never claims this (the only rules that Kaiba seemed to have a direct hand in were the non-gameplay ones, such as the banlist and wager rules). The rules are simply known as the "Super Expert Rules", seemingly something that was official with Industrial Illusions' game and just wasn't implemented yet during Duelist Kingdom. Prior to Battle City being announced, we see Yugi and Jonouchi dueling in Yugi's hospital room and they're using using the Super Expert Rules, as Yugi tributes two monsters to summon Dark Magician, which proves that the rules already existed in-universe and weren't created specifically for Battle City.
@@rob19ny That's all valid, but my only point was that the manga never claims that Kaiba created the Super Expert Rules like how the anime does.
@@rob19ny Ok but still the manga never claims that Kaiba invented the rules
I have my own suspicion about this rule basically created by Industrial Illusions and it came from Gilford the Lightning's effect. Kaiba probably tweaked it for Battle City, but the foundation is still from Industrial Illusions.
As we know, Gilford has the effect that if the monster is summoned using three tributes, then it can destroy all monsters the opponent controls upon summoning. As we know as well, Industrial Illusions is in total control of card productions. I doubt Pegasus would create cards usable only in Battle City because in the end, he's still a businessman. With Duelist Kingdom rules, tribute is not needed unless it's a ritual summon, so Gilford's effect text becomes pointless. It's designed for the new rules, not Duelist Kingdom one.
@@adityairawan1843 Good point. There are a few cards that don't make sense without the Super Expert Rules existing. Cost Down and Quick Attack are two more good examples.
@@rob19ny It is possible that Joey was under a lot of stress so it is not unreasonable to think that he might forget something that has just recently been added. Either that or he saw Yugi tributing and just thought: "Huh, how nice of him to randomly destroy his own monsters."
This flexisopt desk has an attack and defense position
Felt like it was created using polymerization too
But can it handle me summoning Gremlin in a Shadow Game and using its ability
@@Leopoldshark only if you don't feed it at midnight
*Sets it face down*
Kaiba's tribute rule not favoring Blue Eyes or Obelisk might have been for his confidence making him decide to go for a handicap but also could be that he knew going in that he'd have to go up against two other god cards so putting them under restrictions would be a way that he could have a better chance of beating them.
He had monsters (Kaiser Sea Horse) and spells that made it very easy for him to get out blue eyes without having to worry about extra monsters needed
I feel like it probably was for making sure he didnt get OTK'd by someone with a god card getting it in their opening hand. Could also see it being him wanting to put a regulation so decks weren't just stacked. Could be his making the game more technical thory. Could also be the show runners just wanting to align the show more to the TCG.
@@Vidar93 Well, in the manga, the god cards had must have 3 tributes, so the tribute mechanic is a lesser version of that.
Yeah Kaiba has a LOT of cards that allowed him to summon the monsters he wants easily. Kaiser Sea Horse, Soul Exchange, Enemy Controller, etc.
I think it was more because he removed the weird abilities that monsters had before Battle City (Kuriboh exploded, Mammoth Graveyard rotted, Attacking the moon, etc) but if he only removed that, then without a nerfing, it'd make winning too easy since Blue Eyes would be a 3000 atk monster that is easy to summon and opponents would have a much harder time countering it.
So by giving himself a minor nerf, he justified removing one of the largest threats to his monsters...
Imagine trying to update the Battle City rules for today's TCG game and how interesting that would be? For example: Any monster summoned from the extra-deck cannot attack the turn it is summoned.
@Alex Bergie today's meta is basically otk
Huh that rule would screw Zane trues dale over so much with his dueling style
In the original manga, Special Summon monsters can’t attack the turn they’re summoned
itd be interesting to see if that ruling would extend to Resurrected Pendulums, there not actually Extra Deck Monsters but reside in the extra deck when defeated.
Summoning sickness would do nothing if you can set up a cracked board. I mean its just like first turn then, and a lot of decks can make a cracked t1 board
Yugioh DM and its weirdness is a gold mine for TGS Anime.
3:08 when im not dueling in real life i duel on my pc :)
Honestly, I like the idea of fusion monsters counting as more than one tribute.
Tribute / advance summon mechanics might be a lot more popular and widely used if TCG / OCG implemented this rule and extended it to Synchro, Xyz, and Link instead of overcompensating stuff like how True Draco ended up being.
An idea that never got implemented until Links (as a link-2 can be used as 2 link materials, a link-3 as 3 materials...)
I feel like this would be pretty balanced if it was a player skill you could atleast use. Maybe once per turn. Talking Duel Links.
@@brandonvasser5902 That would be pretty interesting tbh.
@@brandonvasser5902 so something like:
"Offering to the Gods" [intended to be used with Obelisk and the like. only Kaiba, Atem, and DSOD Kaiba have the skill]
Target one fusion monster you control that was special summoned from the extra deck. Until the end of this this turn, that monster can be used as many tributes for a tribute summon as the same number of monsters that were used for that monster's fusion summon.
This skill can only be used once per turn.
[The original text only mentioned extra deck summoned monsters, but they nerfed it to fusion only to avoid synchro and, mostly, XYZ due to generic materials.]
The rules were whatever Kaiba wanted them to be. Why? Because he was Seto Fucking Kaiba!
Screw the rules I have money.
That's why Hinotama was banned yet Card of Demise, Crush Card, Virus Cannon, and other blatantly broken cards that Kaiba just so happened to use weren't.
I wish they will do a game where they have these wacky rules like duelist kindom, nothing is cooler than stabing the moon with a giant made of stone
@@Zetact_ They are all broken cards, but the most broken cards have to be card of safe return and revival jam, like what the actual hell was Pegasus thinking when he made those cards. Like not even Yugi could win properly against them, so he had to trap the guy in an infinite loop and make him deck out. Seriously wtf Pegasus.
@@phtuber5469 more screw the rules I own the tournament or I created the tournament or I create them
2 rules exclusive to the manga:
A. ALL special summoned monsters cannot attack the turn they are summoned, not just fusion monsters. Hence why Yugi and Kaiba never tried the same monster reborn strat as Marik, Marik got away with it because Ra had a built in quick attack effect.
B. Your Monster and Spell/Trap slots are merged and you only have 5 of them, meaning you can only control 5 total Monster, Spell and Trap cards at any given time. Hence why Marik never supplemented his God 5 Slifer strategy with any of the cards he drew
Interesting. Aren't those rules similar to the number of cards played with Kaiba's original duel disk?
@@pnyhmsmx pretty much
@@pnyhmsmx I am actually a little curious now what would of happened if this rule was in place from the start, hard 5 card limit on the number of cards you have. How would that have informed the progression of the card game IRL
When I was at a camp as a kid we would say we were playing "battle City rules" but it just meant winner gets the loser's rarest card. It was kind of a blood bath of trying to win back each other's stuff
A blood bath sounds about right haha!
Us too!
It was like that in our neighborhood too haha. I lost a Jinzo in a duel and that was painful. He was too good then.
That’s sounds like a lot of tears just waiting to happen
That sounds like underage gambling.
It may have been dub-only, but the "Hard One Spell Card of a specific Name" rule was also referenced in Joey (Jounichi) vs. Espa Roba. The Roba brothers on the roof pick out a Graceful Dice card in Joey's hand, and spot him drawing a 2nd "Dice" card they misidentify as another Graceful Dice. When Joey's Graceful Dice gave him an unfavorable roll, Joey started to play his 2nd Dice card, but Espa was saying Joey was pulling an illegal move, saying that since Graceful Dice was already activated, another couldn't be played that turn, before Joey plays his card, revealing "Skull Dice" instead, which rolled in favor of Joey to turn the duel as well as expose Espa's fraud.
Also, the 40-card deck rule must be closer to the RL rules of 40-60 cards; Joey vs. Weevil was tampered when Weevil had a random kid plant Parasite Paracide in Joey's deck, bumping his deck to 41 cards. This is also true for Joey vs. Mako when Joey forgot to remove Parasite Paracide from his deck prior to his duel. I'm sure Kaiba's Duel Disks would be able to note the discrepancy and prevent the duels from an "Illegal Deck Count" if there was a strict 40-card limit, yet both continued despite Joey's 41-card deck.
You know, I never thought to question it before but was Dark Magician really Yugi's rarest card? I mean it is his signature card so it being the one he is associated with for the tournament is not at all odd but Yugi has a large collection of cards due to living at a game shop. Wouldn't perhaps Black Luster Soldier or Magician of Black Chaos be more rare than Dark Magician? Since no big deal was ever made about the Dark Magician but a pretty big deal was made about those two when he used them.
He actually gave away his one of a kind Duelist Kingdom reward card just before Battle City. That should have been his rarest
In the original manga, Ritual and Fusion monsters weren’t physical cards themselves but rather advanced forms of whatever monster was used as the base so Dark Magician for Magician of Chaos and Gaia the Fierce Knight for Black Luster Soldier.
Thus Dark Magician is the rarest physical card Yugi had in his deck at that time.
Magician of Black Chaos and Black Luster Soldier wasn't in Yugi's deck at Battle City tournement.
@@sameash3153 Yeah, but that wasn't exactly a playable card, was it?
Don't forget Dark Magician Girl.
There’s one rule I’ve found that wasn’t mentioned in the video:
Effects that require the player and the opponent to have cards in their hand can be activated even if one of the players has no cards in their hand.
To be fair, that exist in normal yugioh as well ( but only sometimes because fuck consistent rulings )
You mean effects that tell you to discard your hand? Or are there any occasions where duelists ignore additional costs that require them to discard an x number of cards?
i think thats just the anime in general, not just the battle city tournament. little yugi uses the "discard all, to excavate a spell"-spell" in the final duel too.
shallow grave can also be activated, if only you have monsters in your grave for example. also you can KO yourself by paying life points.
@@alexisthetransgenderduelis4211 Um ok….
@@Gab8riel No no. It means that a card that lets both players draw cards but the opponent doesn’t have any cards they’re allowed to draw the certain number of cards required. Like for example Card of Sanctity
I always wanted to see Kaiba held accountable for the outrageous carnage of the tournament especially in the Manga. In the span of 24 hours there are muggings, stabbings, kidnappings and attempted murders. There were quite a few successful murders as Yami Bakura murders at least three people. Haga ( Weevil) sprays poison in a kids face. That isn't even mentioning the rampant cheating. Still best arc in the anime and especially the manga.
The reason yugi could summon his dmg vs Pandora is because in the manga dark magic curtain says either player can use its effect that turn.
Since pandora didn’t know about dmg he wasn’t worried
That was said in the anime too.
That’s kinda the point everyone thought Yugi cheated. Then again if you calculate real life Brain Control effect of 800 LP in that duel Yugi would have lost if it was in real life
Was DMG created for yugi as a duelist kingdom prize? I remember them saying DMG was one of a kind but also remember yugi getting her in a booster pack
@@delgande possibly or like every other play in this show involves a new monster to OTK opponent still cool debut though
@@aaronsajuthegk2004 Brain Control in the manga pre-dates the Yugioh version, so it was nerf in RL.
You forgot a rule if you play pot if greed you have to say what it does lol
9:54 Honestly I'd say best example was when Pharaoh's and Arkana's Dark Magician's destroyed each other and both duelists quick-played Monster Reborn at the same time.
Or Kaiba using it to summon Obelisk to protect Lord of Dragons, though that is an odd case, since up to this point, unless in a tag duel, you can't just substitute an attack target with a different monster.
My favorite is Yugi setting Pot of Greed as a "trap" to boost Slifer's attack by 2000.
@@GamingTopTen in that duel, Kaiba had activated a card that allowed both players to activate all spells as quick play spells from the hand or field. Which seemed redundant
I think you made Kaiba's Spell Sanctuary, a continuous spell card that gave all other spells the Quickplay classification in addition to their own rule 20
No all spells can be quickspells in battle city, but i think it's only in the battle phase, Joey uses Shield and Swords in weevil's battle phase for exemple
@@vivienjoly7617 If you watch the Japanese dub, roninwarriorsfan is right, however this does sound redundant. From what I can tell, Season 3 changed the rules from Season 2 for no apparent reason, but the effect of Spell Sanctuary changed them back.
@@computernerd1101 spell sanctuary is only activated during the yugi/kaiba duel, and the characters activate their spell cards as quickspells during all the arc, but like i said, i think they only use them during the battle phase of the 2 players
@@vivienjoly7617 I think spell sanctuary let use spells from there hand during either players turn
@@TrueBladeSoul yes you're absolutely right, but like i said, it was only used during the yugi/kaiba duel and other players activate normal spell cards during the other players turns during battle city
I think u miss a rule:
Rule 26: De-fusion can stop the battle phase
The evidence is in the duel between yugi and kaiba in the semi finals when yugi uses de-fusion on blue eyes ultimate. Ending kaiba's battle phase and winning him the duel next turn. You could say yugi put those blue eyes in defense mode but then yugi deals damage with dark paladin the next turn by attacking those blue eyes
Considering the "Fusion monsters count as a number of tributes equal to the number of invested fusion materials" ruling, I wouldn't be surprised if declaring an attack with a fusion monster also counted as having declared attacks for each of it's materials; When Ultimate Dragon attacks, it counts as all 3 Blue-Eyes having attacked, so when Ulti gets Defused mid attack back into 3 dragons, none of them can proceed to attack further because "they all already attack this turn when they were Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon".
Interestingly enough, that's not a battle city rule, but an anime rule. After all, how many times has a GX character *cough* Jaden *cough* used defusion mid battle like this? So yeah it is a shenanigan, but not exclusively a battle city one.
@@godsman00 as far as I am aware jaden has used de-fusion both offensively and defensively but never broken the rules of fusion (apart for the whole d-hero banishment thing but that may be a anime rule)
@@godsman00 He did it during his first fight against the Sacred Beasts.
@@dragonknight1560 yet, is the de-fusion only battle city since yugi used that against Noah to score the win? So was it a battle city rule or anime? If anime then did Noah’s duels in the virtual world due to duel masters basically had their own rules outside of choosing the duel master (blanking on actual name, sorry)
anime rules are all a bit weird, because they have the impossible task of adapting the crazy stuff from the manga while still advertising the real life cardgame. In the manga you could only play one spell and one trap from your hand per turn, in the same way that you can only summon one monster. That's why Espa wasn't worried about Joey's two Graceful Dices, he can only play one, with the twist being that the other card was Skull Dice, a trap card. The rule didn't exist in the real life game though and fillers had everybody play many more spells, so they changed the exact details up into players not being able to play the exact same card twice per turn.
in fact, the anime had to go further and actually make Skull Dice a spell card because otherwise the Roba-brothers would have been able to tell that it was a different card from the classic pink border
this is actually incorrect.1) skull dice was a spell in the manga, and 2) espa wasnt worried because the fact that joey couldnt play two graceful dices, because only one graceful dice can be used a turn. this stops joey from using two graceful dice at the same time and boosting swordsman of landstar by 12 if he gets lucky.
Actually, I don't think the anime had to advertise the card game... the card game instead was advertisement for the anime....
I think Yugioh gave more focus on the actual card game more after 5ds... like, they still cared somewhat, but during the Gx and 5ds era, the shows existed to be shows rather than just advertisement. They weren't fully bound by the rules of the Konami Card game yet and seemed to have some freedom from it.
@@captaincaterpie Since Chains don't exist in the anime, wouldn't anime Graceful Dice be impossible to activate twice on one monster anyway? Given that its requirement is to target a monster with 500 or less ATK, and ny resolving it will almost invariably multiply a monster's ATK higher than that.
@@elijahpadilla5083 It doesnt matter anyway since there is no way to use Graceful Dice on the same monster twice. The anime version of that spell only works on monsters with 500 atk or less.
Esparoba actually mentioned it in his duel against Joey when his brothers were spying on Joey's hand they mistaken his skull dice for graceful dice and said "you can only activate 1 graceful dice per turn".
That's just a dub line though, I am pretty sure.
@@Amitlu You’re pretty wrong.
@@arrownoir Darn
Well then its an anime-only line since the manga doesnt mention it. (or the viz translation is bad)
But again it sorta makes sense, since Graceful Dice cannot boost the same monster twice once it no longer has 500 ATK
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Unless the monster started out with 100 ATK, lol.
@@Amitlu I mean you could use Graceful dice on two different monsters if you were allowed to play more than one during your turn…
8:42 In the manga, you could only activate one spell and one trap per turn, so that may be why.
You also weren’t allowed to have more than five cards on the field at a time.
Yami Bakura had more than 5 cards on the field. He had to for his destiny board to work.
@@Mechagodzilla128 Destiny Board was just one card in the anime/manga. It just spelled out DEATH if you let it sit there long enough.
@@elijahpadilla5083 In the episode he uses a card for each letter and needs to have a space in his duel disk to play them. I recommend watching it again, good duel.
@Mechagodzilla128 old comment, but in the manga it's just 1 card; the anime changed it to he more like the real game
Regarding fusion summoning and quick attack: In the manga it's specified that SPECIAL SUMMONED monsters aren't allowed to attack the same turn they are summoned. Fusion Summoning happened to be the #1 special summoning at the time but it also concerned monster reborn and the god cards (when resurrected) as far as I remember (Kaiba mentions it when he analyzes Ra's abilities)
They started claiming Special Summoned monsters couldn't attack somewhat late into the arc as a way to show how powerful Ra was that it could circumvent that rule. However, before that rule was stated we saw several Special Summoned monsters attack the turn they were summoned. Examples include: Pandora's Dark Magician summoned with Dark Magic Curtain, Haga's Insect Queen summoned with Pinch Hopper, Yugi's Buster Blader summoned with Monster Reborn, Mask of Darkness's The Masked Beast which was Ritual Summoned, Kaiba's Blue-Eyes summoned with Monster Reborn, Mask of Light's Masked Beast Des Gardius summoned with Chosen One, Yugi's Valkyrion the Magna Warrior summoned with its own effect, and even later we see Kaiba attack with two Blue-Eyes who were summoned that turn with Flute of Summoning Dragon.
@@InvaderWeezle special summons from the gy specifically
@@MegaMachiOnline Even so, I listed two examples where a monster was special summoned from the graveyard.
@@InvaderWeezle for the example with monster reborn against slifer, Yami in the manga set monster reborn first (along with summoning big shield guardna). So technically he could’ve activated monster reborn during string’s/Marik’s turn then brain control on his turn.
Yeah and if God cards are special summoned then they hit GY during end phase unless an effect like Ra Phoenix Mode etc
You missed one that actually could explain some things
You can only set one trap card facedown on the field
In the manga Temple of the Kings explicity says you can set two cards
That’s a pretty good reason why Joey didn’t play too many cards during his Duel with Marik.
You also weren’t allowed to have more than 5 cards on the field at a time.
Ohhhhh, I thought Temple of the Kings was acting as like a detriments, like limiting both players to two sets a turn.
8:15 Okay, that rule has big ramifications for the Joey vs Kaiba duel. If he used Graverobber on Crush Card Virus, then it would go to his graveyard (possibly whether or not he could activate it), and would no longer be bound by its effects. Then he could use Monster Reborn on *any* of his own monsters, or have a lot more possibilities.
I thought of the exact same thing
I thought the same thing when I watched the Joey vs Kaiba video. I didn't say anything because I don't know if Graverobber can steal a card if the card can't be used. If Crush Card can't be used due to a lack of targets, can he even steal it?
To be fair, was there anything he had that was more useful than Blue eyes? Jinzo maybe, but I can't think of any heavy hitters he could've clutched it out with.
Joey didn't have anything worth bringing out, nothing he had could beat a Blue-Eyes, and it was very common knowledge that Kiaba always cheeses out his Blue-Eyes. I always gripped about how he attacked Blade Knight over Kaiser Seahorse, and you can't make the excuse that he didn't know it's effect because he watched part of Kaiba's duel with Noah and a good portion of Yugi's duel with Noah, so he should have assumed that Kaiser Seahorse's effect had something to do with manipulating the tributing of LIGHT Attribute monsters
@wanderesq: If it was not against the rules then joey would have done so, remember when he said in battle city rules the graveyard is not publick knowlege, meaning he could only steal what is not publick knowlege, and since crush card virus as an effect in the graveyard it is the only card that remain publick knowlege, so that is why he can't
Suggestions
Yami yugi vs seto kaiba (battle city semi finals)
Yami Yugi vs Rafael (round 2)
Yami yugi vs yugi muto (ceremonial duel)
Jaden vs zane (second duel)
Aster vs zane (pro league)
Zane vs syrus (gx tournament)
Jaden vs Possessed Jesse
Yusei vs kalin (round 1)
Yusei vs akiza (round 1)
Leo, Luna and Jack vs Aporia
Yusei vs Z-One
Yuma vs Nash
Yuma vs astral
Yuma vs kite round 3
Kite vs Mizar (on the moon)
Nash vs Vector
Yuma, Shark and Kite vs Dr Faker (another 3v1)
Shay vs sora (arc league tournament)
Yuya vs Declan round 2
Zarc vs everyone
Yuto vs Yugo
Yuya vs Yuri
Declan vs Riley
Shay vs Kite
This sounds like a good idea
Nice choices. I'd also add Yugi vs Rafael (second duel), Jaden vs Yubel (Final Duel), Quattro vs Nash, Yuto vs Yugo, and Yuya vs Yuri
The tribute/fusion summon monster= number of tributes is maybe where they got the idea of using a link monsters link rating to help with link summoning high rated ones, ie. Say your trying to summon Firewall Dragon, a link 4 that needs 2+ monsters, you can use a link 3 like Decode Talker to get 3 of the 4 monsters required in the link rating.
I think Rule 9 came about because Kaiba tried summoning Obelisk without tributing when experimenting in that duel lab and found that it wouldn't work properly so using his technology he devised a way to be able to summon a God card which eventually led to tributes being required.
I honestly like the idea of fusion monsters counting as the number of monsters used for their summon as the number of tributes they can count for
That would have been great for Kaiba to fuse Blue eyes from his hand with Lord of D. or special summon them, then tribute ulttimate dragon later.
Don't forget about the special rule, Umi can be used to drown a reptile (joey vs Mako)
Regarding rule 18: I believe Kaiba uses two flute of summon dragon cards to beat Lumis and Umbra in their first encounter, before they wore their masks. Happened randomly in the middle of an episode with Mako Tsunami vs Joey Wheeler
Will you do a "Was Kabia about to defeat Yugi" in Battle City?
Absolutely
Well he would have won, if Yugi didn't get lucky and got card of sanctity after playing spell textbook, which was the biggest risk he ever took btw.
@@phtuber5469 Even if we ignore Yugi's plot armor, Kaiba threw the duel in the end. During one of the final turns Kaiba uses monster Reborn to summon back his third Blue-Eyes so he can fusion summon Blue-Eyes Ultimate. If he had just Reborned Obelisk instead and used its effect to tribute the other 2 Blue-Eyes he would've won.
@@ThePeoplepersonguy Special-Summoned monsters can't attack on the turn they're summoned under Battle City rules.
@@PutoML I know they can't attack, however Obelisk doesn't need to attack to use one of it's effects to my knowledge.
From the sources I have found online previously, Obelisk has two main effects.
If this Attack Position card battles (Quick Effect): You can Tribute 2 other monsters; this card's ATK becomes ∞ during the Damage Step only.
If this card is in Attack Position (Quick Effect): You can Tribute 2 other monsters; destroy all monsters your opponent controls, and if you do, inflict 4000 damage to your opponent. This card cannot declare an attack the turn you activate this effect.
The second effect only requires Obelisk to be in attack mode but not actually attack.
If I'm not mistaken, Dark Magic Curtains anime effect was, "This turn, both players can pay half their life points to special summon a Spellcaster type monster from their deck.''
As someone who’s writing a fanfic on this, it’s helpful.
Fanfic name?
@@barrettdaly5370 it’s my most recent fanfic. “Memories of a best friend”.
I wonder how all those people who accused Yugi of cheating particularly because of Dark Magic Curtain and Flute of Summoning Dragons would look now if they saw this. This shit is exactly what I've been telling people for a long time.
They don’t actually care. They just love the memes.
Actually, the rule was wrong; it's just that in the manga and anime, the cards had the effect of effecting BOTH sides... it's just that in both cases, the opponents didn't think Yugi would have the card necessary in his hand...
At the time, it wasn't known that Yugi had DMG and Kaiba didn't expect Yugi to have one of his two dragon monsters in his hand...
All these years and I still can't figure out the duelists Kaiba beat for his six locator cards. I'll just chalk it up to "screw the rules I have money".
Of those 6, he was dueling Lumos & Umbra (but only took Lumos' locator cards for his own) with Yugi...twice, and that one guy he stomped with Obelisk.
so the same opponents twice & 1 bully + 3 unknown duelists
6 locator cards were declared missing from the original prints
@@roninwarriorsfan Fun fact about that bully: he and Dark Yugi had a shadow game in one of the earlier manga chapters where it looks like Yugi had killed him, only for him to pop up here in Battle City perfectly fine and apparently having learned nothing from his penalty game. His chapter was sadly skipped by season 0, making Battle City his first animated appearance. He is also in Pyramid of Light, in the background among the group of duellists who want to battle Yugi at his school to win the God Cards, although coloured differently than in the anime.
Just what I needed. This will come in handy very soon...
Could you please do a video on what if Joey won against Marik and got the winged Dragon of Ra. I guess he would also get the millennium rod as well.
He couldn’t used Ra since he can’t read the chant.
@@Ramona122003 didn't Marik shout out the chant during his duel with Mai?
@@kurtwatson3768 He did, which is how he gained control of Ra despite Mai being the one to summon it.
It was still in a language that Joey wouldn't understand unless you mean the dub, which was only English for convenience.
@@Ramona122003 I was thinking Joey could write the chant down on a piece of paper.
*A LIST OF ALL THE RULES*
-Participants must have a ranking of at least five out of eight stars (manga and original anime) or level three out of five (English dub anime) to receive a free Duel Disk, which is required to participate.
-Players must play with a Deck of at least forty cards, with at least one rare card in it.
-Players begin with 4000 Life Points.
-Players can only have up to 6 cards in his or her hand unless the card "Infinite Cards" is in play on his/her side of the field. In the manga, the hand limit is 7.
-Players have a maximum of five minutes to think during their turn.
-One Normal Summon is allowed per player per turn. Monsters can be Summoned in face-up Attack Position, face-up Defense Position or face-down Defense Position.
-Level 4 or below monsters can be Summoned during a Normal Summon.
-Level 5-6 monsters needed one Tribute in order to Normal Summon.
-Level 7-9 monsters required two Tributes to Normal Summon.
-Level 10+ monsters required three Tributes to normal summon (e.g "The Winged Dragon of Ra", Level 10).
-When a Fusion Monster is Tributed, that monster is counted as a number of monsters equal to the number of Fusion Material Monsters that were used.
-Fusion Monsters must wait one turn after they are Summoned before they can attack, though the "Quick Attack" card can be used to circumvent this. In the manga, any monster Ritual Summoned or Special Summoned from the Graveyard also cannot attack the turn it is Special Summoned.
-If a player has no monsters on their field, their opponent can attack directly.
-Each player must ante at least their rarest card and a minimum of one Locator Card in their possession. The winner of the Duel obtains their opponent's rarest card and Locator Card, as wagered.
-The contents of either player's Graveyards are not public knowledge, and an opponent may not look through their opponent's Graveyard.
-If you have to discard cards from your hand or Deck, you do not have to show them to your opponent.
-You must stick to the tournament's list of forbidden and limited cards. Cards that directly damage[note 1] players or monsters, such as "Raigeki" and "Hinotama" were forbidden. Only one copy of "Monster Reborn" could be included in one's Deck.
-Certain cards that enabled players to Special Summon one specific Type of monster(s) can affect both sides of the field ("Dark Magic Curtain" and "The Flute of Summoning Dragon", for example).
-Players were not allowed to use two or more Magic Cards of the same name that increase a card's ATK points within the same turn.
-The opponent can activate a card or card effect before the turn player draws a card during their Draw Phase.
-If a monster is offered as a Tribute by the effect of another card while being attacked by an opponent's monster, the enemy's attack is negated. The Japanese version of the anime and manga calls this rule, "Sacrifice Escape".
-Replays are not an established mechanic. While a direct attack is occurring because the attacked player controls no monsters, if the attacked player adds a monster to their side of the field, that monster intercepts the attack; if a monster is targeted for an attack, but it leaves the field before damage calculation, the attack ends.
-Players can Set Field Spell Cards in their Spell & Trap Card Zones but when they activate them, they get moved to the Field Zone.
-Field Spell Cards can be activated during the Battle Phase.
-A non-Quick Play Spell Card can be activated during the Battle Phase.
-A Set non-Quick Play Spell Card can be activated during your opponent's turn.
-When a Spell or Trap is destroyed by a card effect, it is negated even if the card that destroyed the Spell/Trap doesn't negate its effects.
-A monster that becomes an Equip Card is treated as both a monster and an Equip Card.
-Effects that require the player and the opponent to have cards in their hand can be activated even if one of the players has no cards in their hand.
-Tokens do not take up a Monster Zone.
-When a Token is Summoned, it becomes the attack target instead.
-When a card is sent to the Graveyard, it is sent to the controller's Graveyard, not the owner's.
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Good video Sam
rule 24) sacrificed was spelt incorrectly
There were 53 contenders, because Jean-Claude Magnum had 5.
They should add a modified rule 9 to the real game, where level 9 & 10 require 3 tributes & level 11 & 12 require 4.
They should also add a modified rule 24, where any special summoned monster counts as the number of *named* monster materials for tributes, *as long as they're properly summoned first.* This rule also applies to the materials of the special summoned monster.
Ex. Blue Eyes Ultimate Dragon, Blue Eyes Shining Dragon & Gate Guardian = 3 tributes
Majestic Star Dragon = 2 tributes
VWXYZ Tiger Catapult Dragon Canon = 5 tributes
5 headed dragon or Blue Eyes Ultimate Dragon summoned with Cyber-Stein or BESD summoned with that BEUD = 1 tribute
I’ve waited so long for someone to make a video on these rules, because as it seems to me, certain kind of people can’t read when watching the anime or reading the manga. But I think you’re missing a lot of things. I demand some updates to this video.
1. Not just Fusion Monster, but any monsters Special Summoned from the Extra Deck (Fusion Deck) and Special Summoned from the GY must wait 1 turn. The Fusions are the only one that exist in DM so that’s why the Anime and Manga only apply to them.
Evidences to the point:
- Yugi summoned Kaiba’s 3 Blue-Eyes from the GY during his Duel with Kaiba and Kaiba did not attack with them.
- Marik also mentioned this rule in his Duel against Bakura. That’s why Ra has a Special Effect that allows it to attack whenever it is summoned.
2. Cards that do direct damage without cost is not allowed. However, cards that deal damage with an attach cost or condition is allowed.
Evidence to the point:
- Marik uses Nightmare Mirror in his Duel against Jonouchi. Unlike you mentioned in this video, all cards in Marik’s Deck is real. Only cards in his minions’ Deck are fake. Do you think why Marik created an international crime organization to steal rare cards if he himself can’t use them?
3. In addition to to normal attack, some number of cards gain Special Attack that attack outside of the Battle Phase. These attack can still be blocked by certain card effects that can block normal ones, like Swords of Revealing Light.
Evidences to the point:
- In Yugi’s Duel against Doll, Osiris’s Special Attack can’t attack and destroy Kuriboh because Doll’s Nightmare Steelcage exists on the field.
- We see this rule appears again outside of Battle City. In Yugi’s Duel against Bakura in the Memory World Arc, Gandora’s attack is treated as a Special Attack.
4. Only 1 Spell/Trap can be Set during your turn. This is only applied in Manga and do not transfer well to the Anime. That’s why in some Duel, you can see why the character didn’t make some more optimal play. Exchange is usually the card attributed to this.
Edit: As someone has mentioned in the comment section, an Evidence to this point would be Temple of the Kings. It allows its controller to Set 2 cards instead of 1.
5. The Rules that are applied during Battle City are not necessarily created by Kaiba. They are referred in the Manga as Super Expert Rules, in contrast to the Standard Rules that are applied during Duelist Kingdom. Which means at some point in the past, Pegasus created them, and Kaiba only chooses to enforce it in his tournament. These Rules are like different formats exist in the current Yugioh, like Goat, Traditional or Common Charity.
This list will get updated when there are more to come.
Regarding possibly being forbidden from using two identical spell cards in the same turn... Wasn't there one duel with Kaiba and Yugi on the same team, and Kaiba used two Flutes of Summoning Dragon at once?
I think you're right actually.
Battle City - The arc where Joey fully broke out as a duellist (Duellist Kingdom showed his improvement, but he really reached the pinnacle in BC)
Amazing duel against Odion
THAT duel with Marik
More than hold his own against Kaiba in the Battle For Bronze
Back on topic , I hated how Fusion monsters couldn’t attack on the turn they were summoned and most duellists had to use the Quick Attack magic/spell card in order to do so
Kaiba was well on top vs Joey but it was a decent effort.
@@hamza361 ok but u gotta admit Joey pushed kaiba especially when Joey pissed kaiba off by using his own blue eyes against him
That's 4 cards. 3 for the summon and 1 for attack 🤦🏻♂️
To be fair, in the anime, if you had Polymerization, you could fuse any cards to make a fusion summon... it's not as limited as it is in real life with actually needing the fusion monster itself...
So the card is an easy special summon that could happen randomly... and that rule balanced the fusion summon mechanic...
In real life, cards can't magically appear in thin air... so fusion is a lot less broken...
To clarify your rules about one copy of a Spell per turn and Quick Plays:
This is because of the manga. Each player could only use one Spell from their hand per turn and set only one Trap per turn.
If you wanted to use more than one spell per turn, those spells not activated from your hand, would have to be set from a previous turn. All Spells are also quick play and can be played at anytime.
These rules with spells and traps were to give a sort of resource system so you couldn’t just play 10 broken ass spells each turn
Tbh the actual game would be better with that rule.
@@GoldenSunAlex Unfortunately there wouldn’t be a way to get around cheating facedown cards, unless they made separate spell zones and trap zones
The sponsor bit was almost more entertaining than the actual video! Very well done work on this one.
Just once I'd love to see a whole series where they play 8k life points.
❤.
Imagine risking your one of a kind Egyptian God Card for a vanilla double tribute with less attack than other single tributes in the game.
Compatible attack types can combine their attacks for increased damage, like Summoned Skull's lightning + Alpha's magnetism resulting in a single attack of 2500 + 1400 damage, + a 200 combination bonus.
High level monsters can be sent directly to the GY by illegally Summoning them without tributes. This still takes up your Normal Summon.
Not that you need the above ruling though, since apparantly it's legal to just discard cards from your hand whenever you want, unless Bonz wrongly thought this was legal (at first he thought Yami Bakura "just" discarded his hand out of cockiness, not by an effect/cost).
It should be noted that generally speaking, cards in Yugioh exist in the manga first, anime second, then finally the OCG/TCG. If card has an effect that it doesn't in the anime, it's due to the OCG/TCG makers. The artwork for a lot of cards comes directly from the manga, so it's the ultimate authority in such matters. Kaiba didn't actually create Battle City rules, they were called the "Super Expert Rules" and already existed, and it stands to reason that cards have different effects depending on which ruleset is being used. A lot of the "useless" monsters with low ATK/DEF but with more than four stars are perfectly playable in the 2000 LP quick-play ruleset, and I'm sure a lot of cards were made just for that format.
Banning burn cards and giving every card an inherent HOPT ruling. Kaiba was truly ahead of his time.
Kaiba didn’t actually create the rules. At least not in the manga. In the manga this rule set existed for a little while before the tournament and was called “Super expert rules” Kaiba decided to use these rule in his tournament for two reasons. 1 it was the latest rule set for elite tournaments and it would be strange for him to use an older rule set.
2. It is the only thing that nerfed the gods. Remember in the anime/manga the gods don’t have the three tributes as an effect. That’s only because the were the only non fusion level 10 monster to my knowledge.
Rule 14 Cards that are destroyed goes to the user graveyard explains how Yugi was able to beat Strings. I was wondering why Revival Jam was being revived on Yugi side.
That rule doesn't apply in this scenario. Brain Control lets him keep control of a monster until the end of the turn. In the context of the anime Revival Jam never goes to the graveyard because it doesn't die. It just regenerates.
this may only be in the manga, but they do get a rule manual with the duel disk the size of a phonebook
rule 18 is kinda stated in the duel with Joey Vs Espa Rosa when the whole "you can't activate 2 graceful dice on the same turn" which joey had a graceful dice and a skull dice" but this I think was the only time this was ever explained in the show
The spells being treated as quick play is sketchy, because in the semi finals, Kaiba played a field spell that treated all spells as quick play, so either this rule didn’t apply in the finals, or Kazuki Takahashi messed up.
Takahashi didn't mess up, the anime did. Spell Sanctuary is anime-only.
In that duel, it makes sense.
If we're to take the Spells as Quick-Play thing in other duels at face value and not just assume they're errors or for dramatic effect or something, then it's possible that you can only do that in the Battle Phase, while Spell Sanctuary let you do it in any phase. (Since we see Yugi use Change of Heart in the Main Phase.)
You know it would be interesting to actually play these rule set in the card game now. But there needs a rule limit for links. Like tokens cannot be used for link summoning unless it's by effect or summoning requirement for that link monster. And make it work for Synchros as well, unless the tuner like Mare Mare effect goes off, making tokens to Synchro play. It have to be a tuner or synchro requirement to use tokens.
Now that will be interesting to play BCT rules in modern YGO.
Why make a Rule to Limit Link summon?
Some Link monsters can't use Tokens as material anyway.
In the manga, players could only play one spell and one trap per turn, including setting cards. The anime changed this but just had characters hesitate for no reason sometimes in order to adapt the manga duels.
I think there's one additional rule that if a duelist is rendered unable to continue for ANY reason, they are considered to have lost, no replays of duels if the person recovers. But this is more realistically an issue of time, and would be pretty standard. However, due to Kaiba's own personal greed, this option was a valid option to defeat an opposing duelist, and both Odion and Joey lost because of an inability to continue.
Something I also noticed is that when Yugi beats Strings, he does so by forcing him to draw outside of the draw phase, so Card of Safe Return is compulsory. This means that the rule of losing if unable to draw in the draw phase extends to any time the game forces you to draw, which I don't think is pointed out in that manga text shown earlier but is standard for real world YGO if I remember right.
"Cards go to the grave of the Controller [Not the original owner]"
Luckily for Yusei they weren't playing by Battle City rules. XD
Imagine trying to make a high profile tournament and banning sparks
I can think of at least one instance where the exactly 40 card deck rule was broken. In the Yugi vs Marik finals, Kaiba shows up to give Yugi the Fiend's Sanctuary spell card to counter Ra. He tosses it to Yugi, who looks at it and adds it to his deck. But wouldn't he already have 40 cards going into the duel? He never removes any card, so his deck would now be 41 cards.
Kaiba then laughs and says "Yugi you fool, your deck is now illegal. Disqualified"
Stuff like this happens all the time. They side deck off screen. Otherwise lots of characters would be fucked by the ante rule even if they still had locator cards.
@@Celtic1020 Of course things can happen off-screen. But side decking off-screen means they still likely have 40 cards once done. What Yugi did was just take one extra card and add to his already complete deck without removing any other card, thus making it contain at least 41 cards, not 40.
@@animemixer1 Again, the point is that we should probably assume he actually DID remove a card and we just didn't see it...
@@TheDeathmail I went back to the episode in question to make sure I remember everything correctly. And sure enough, Yugi takes the card Kaiba gives him, and all on screen adds it to his deck, shuffles and places the deck back in the duel disk. The duel then starts shortly thereafter. There is no removal of any card at any point. That deck had a minimum of 41 cards at the moment that duel got underway, unless Yugi had just 39 cards in the deck just as the duel was about to start, which would be even more ridiculous than starting the duel with 41 cards.
Honestly, like it's mentioned in the video, rules are casually broken here and there. And it might even be that the rule isn't to have EXACTLY 40 cards, but AT LEAST 40 cards, and we're looking at some mistranslation. Even if it's not, Yugi having a 41 card deck as the duel starts is probably the least serious cheat anyone has ever done in the history of Yu-Gi-Oh.
The battle city rules and the original anime in general made for some great duels between me and my friends until we went more in depth with learning the official rules for competitive dueling 😅😂
You are the ONLY person I’ve ever seen on YT make the transition into the Ad so clever and flow nicely. You really are leveling up mate. Keep up the good work 👍
9:38 if all spells could be activated on the battle phase then why Kaiba used that coliseum card that made every spell be treated as a quick play spell in his duel against Yugi?
I actually liked the Battle City rules.
0:32 - "Prima's Official Strategy Guide"
Way to make your audience feel old, man. XD
You know, another thing I noticed was that, while the sacrifice rule addition seems to hinder Kaiba a lot, he did that while also removing monster abilities.... not effects, but the freedom and weird random powers the monsters had (Kuriboh explodes, Battle Ox is super effective against fire types, Mammoth Graveyard rots, etc)
And if he didn't add the sacrifice rule while also taking away the abilities, then the duel will obviously seem rigged since it'd give him way too huge of an advantage.
And being able to use spells each once per turn also protects his Blue Eyes more...
Who'd trust a tournament where Kaiba gives himself way too obvious an advantage by destroying any equalizing factors other monsters would have had???
That is insane turning every spell card into a quickplay just by setting it. Opponent wipes my monsters on the field and is going for a direct attack *BAM* Dark Hole quickplay.
Ah yes, Kaibas famous tournament arc “Fortnite: Card Game Edition”…
The reason for adding tributes is because the original Japanese run of the arc in the comics coincided with the release of first real life version of Duel Monsters, so the rules in the comics were updated to be more in line with the official rules. Since the second Yu-Gi-Oh TV series (the first one that was dubbed) is primarily an adaptation of the Duelist Kingdom, Battle City, and Millennium World arcs it follows this change as well, with the rules updating at the same point plot-wise.
I always figured that they just ignored the rules. It's crazy if the rules were actually consistent? Are there any examples of direct contradictions of rules in Battle City that you found?
You forgot the KO rule.
If a player is incapable of finishing a duel, it will be considered a forfeit. Hence how Joey lost to Marik officially.
rule 18 - you can only play a unique spell card once per turn
I actually think this would make the current game better, the game for me has turned into way too much recycling and I honestly think this could be a great change for creaitng more strategic matches
Battle City rules is similar to the actual game!
With a exception of a few rules 🤣
i absolutely love that u can place spell card and as reward for ur strategic thinking and risk u get rewarded by them becoming quick spells.
gives the duel more uniqueness and more interaction between each player so its not a 1 sided turn all the time
Iirc the first battle with Umbra and Lumis, (unsure if it followed the rules since it was played quickly) Kaiba uses 2 Flutes of Summoning Dragon in the first turn
Would be interesting to see if the anime's internal rules had changed in Kaiba's other tournament, the filler arc Grand Prix. I know that filler arcs tended to be closer to the real rules - a lot of the weird stuff in Battle City came from lifting parts of the duel from the manga, which was written before the game was out - so I'm curious if the KC Grand Prix differs from Battle City in rules. Like I know the real explanation is "filler arc, also card game was already out" but it could be fun to look at it from a "Okay let's see Kaiba's new rules" perspective.
I *think* that for example the "spell cards during opponent's turn" rule doesn't work there, for example, but I could be wrong.
For the Ceremonial Duel and by the time of GX the rules in the anime were basically the same as the real game, but they were still able to pull shenanigans with anime exclusive and anime effect cards.
Almost all anime-original duels post-Battle City follow OCG rules. Many Battle City duels were revised to follow the OCG rules more closely such as extending the length to fit anime episodes or minimizing the "spells during your opponent's turn" thing you mentioned. Of course they couldn't be changed completely while keeping the major moments from the manga.
I don't think all of those were the rules, some were just Yugi cheating his way out.
I was so confused when re-watching Kaiba and Yugi battle city Duel because Yugi used change of heart in Kaiba's turn, I thought that was a cheat that kaiba, the tournament creator and sponsor, didn't catch.
But ok, it was legal to do that apparently.
So Joey who was the runner up in Duelest Kingdom...was only a level two. Bias much Kaiba?
I am currious for people who play yugioh, how do you think a limit to the amount of special summons in one turn would change the game?
For arguments sake we will say 3 special and 1 normal.
It should be noted that the summon sickness thing on the Fusion monsters actually extended to ALL special summoned monsters in the manga. This is apart of the reason why Mai summoned Ra in her duel against Marik (the special summoned Harpies couldn't attack, so she didn't have game without summoning Ra), and why the Egyptian God to make good use of Monster Reborn was Ra (it had an effect to circumvent that rule while the others would be sent back to the GY before they could get an attack in).
It also explains why Marik didn’t summon Lava Golem to destroy Joey’s Gilford. Joey would be able to wait Marik out by that point.
In the duel with kaiba and yugi he usted spell sanctuary
And in the sub they explain “I can use spells card during your turn “
And this applies to both players
Seethe episode in Japanese kaiba kaiba deadass says it
So if there is a explanation
Then what about the other times yugi and god know who else where able to do it since they didn’t have spell sanctuary
Kaiba uses two “Flute of Summoning Dragon” during his first duel with Loomis and Umbra
What you got wrong is that these rules are from the fucked up anime, not the original MANGA.
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Kaiba used Quick Attack!
It's Super Effective!!
Wait...... WHAT!?!?!?
@9:26 I do not, but I might have an example to further support your theory. This would be the Duel between Joey and Espa. Espa cheated by having an earpiece and having his brothers look at Joey's hand, the brothers however messed up a card in Joey's hand and thought Joey placed 2 Graceful dice cards on Joey's field (I don't know how they messed up a graceful dice and skull dice because the cards have differend colours being green and purple because they're a magic and a trap card), and during the activation of Joey's face down cards Espa claimed that Joey could only activate 1 graceful dice.
Funny how 2 years further I came with the same example in my head xD.
Just noticed that when they were showing the rarest cards of each duelist, weavile has perfectly ultimate great moth as his most rarest card (atleast it looks like it). So does this mean that they changed this later so Joey could atleast use it? Or was it an animation error?
I think Rule 25 is wrong. Instead, it was those specific cards that had effects that both players could take advantage of... so it wasn't an actual rule rather than the cards themselves allowing that....
Kaiba: Burn and Monster destruction cards are banned
Also Kaiba: Play Ring of destruction.
Exactly 40 cards? Yugi plays nearly 70 different cards in this arc. Maybe he side decks
But here is the thing... if Konami makes rules, we won't know if they were the real rules... hell, even the creator might not know at this point since it was SO long ago....
So I'd rather not know it from them...
No wonder why I (and many others) thought you could summon monsters in face-up defense position or that MST negated for most of my childhood.
The rules are crazy and fun at the same time 😁
Good job on the detailed explanation, because it is hard to realise what they were just watching the yugioh anime, considering all wtf moments that were going on there 👌🤙👍
You can use two of the same spell card in the same turn kibia did with flute of summoning dragon.
I guess anyone who bought a battle disc always had a dream to participate in such a tournament.
Buster Blader is not a fusion monster. Were you thinking of Dark Paladin?
I have to say battle city was both super cool and gave me the biggest and most frequent headaches. It was so much closer to the real game but still constantly was playing by DM nonsense. And because of that it gave me huge fucking headaches. One of the biggest offenders was Joey versus weevil because when insect queen was eating weevils other monsters, first they reused the eating animation even though the monsters didn’t match what she was eating versus what we will sacrificing, and then suddenly they did. So they made a whole separate animation for the correct monster but just decided not to use it the first time for whatever fucking reason
When I heard that burn effects with no cost were banned I instantly thought finally sparks is seen as too op.
3rd time this card thing came into play was Espa Roba (in the dubbed) saying Joey cannot activate more than one graceful dice in the same turn. That flexispot desk is pretty cool, gotta look into getting one
I think the first rule about the deck size might be that the decks must be at least 40 cards. An example indicating the possibility that decks could have been larger was when the 4-way duel was done at the Duel Tower to determine the semi-final pairings. Roland says that duelists must limit their decks to 40 cards for that duel, most likely in the event that players could have been adding the rare cards they won to their decks without making substitutions.
We also see Yugi immediately add Fiend's Sanctuary into his deck as the platform rises to duel Marik, no opportunity to swap out a card for it.
Kaiba activated two flute of summoning dragons in the tag team duel on the same turn.