The True Rules Of The Duelist Kingdom Tournament
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I always thought of the duelist kingdom simulating an actual battle, like on a tabletop. If you look at it from say dnd perspective a lot of the moves and combos make sense, after all the original game wizard and monsters was a simulation of two wizards summoning monsters and battling.
That could have been an interesting alternative dueling style, I like that
And as we learn at the end of the series, the final season was actually a tabletop RPG. So really makes sense. Great point and great vid
Oh Yeah, the guy who made the manga was a big fan of Tabletop RPGs.... in fact, the last non-duel monsters game payed in the manga right before the Duelist Kingdom arc began was a Tabletop RPG (called Monster World).... and the final arc in the memory world was one as well (conveniently enough, both were orchestrated by the same guy).
So it should be no surprise that before the rules were fully fleshed out (as was the case for duelist kingdom) a lot of elements from those types of games were being used when writing the duels.
Considering how the field in the manga didn’t have monster or s/t zones, it makes sense
The original intention was for Duel Monsters to be a tabletop RPG.
The Duelist Kingdom is basically like playing an RPG with a completely stoned gamemaster.
"You attack the moon, which makes the ocean recede and strands all the water monsters? Yeah, sure, why not?"
I mean that sounds pretty cool in concept
*takes a hit* "You are also responsible for millions of monster deaths all over the monster world due to flooding. Harsh, dude. Also, werewolves are probably unable to transform now or something."
@@KertaDrake I’m shocked silver fang didn’t get to transform when you used the moon
Good thing Pharoah used his OP Guardian of the Stoner crush card. Aw yeah.
Thank God they didn't know Star Wars references:
"That's no Moon!"
"Explodia! Obliterate!!"
"Nooo, that's impossible! No one's ever done that!"
"Search your heart, cards, you know it to be True!"
You forced mammoth graveyard to fuse with blue eyes ultimate dragon.
I call shenanigans
I think the last two dueling rules should be combined and it just be "Shenanigans are allowed so long as they are logical". 🤣
Nice try dweeb, but my Machine Monsters are coated in 'Magic-resistant Armor' lawl. What kinda freaking Machine that YOU know of is resistant to Magic?!
@@floodinmon14 my battle ox is resistant to fire because its attribute is EARTH, nevermind this is never bought up again
@@scantyer Wait Joey! The Minotaur is resistant to Fire! ...........NOw He tells me............ lol.
This also does not apply to future Battle Ox Retrains either. They could have easily had a future Retrain say like "this card gains 500 ATK when Battling a Pryo-type or FIRE Monster," but no, Nothing.
You can't change of heart a machine, it has NO heart!!!
Ha! That may be so, but that means you CANNOT monster reborn your machine either! Last I checked, machines lack SOULS!
BUT MY SHAD0W-SPECTRE IS SUR0UND 0F SM0KE THUS IS NESISARY GUESING WICH 0F 5- ( \ 3) PLACES MY SHAD0W-SPECTRE STAYS
So Yugioh with D&D rules honestly sounds amazing XD Also the idea that Yugi is always rolling crits on a D20 honestly makes perfect sense when you remember that the Millennium Puzzle's power is Probability Manipulation.
I always thought Dungeon Dice Monsters was Yugioh and D&D merged.
The version of yugioh we need but don't deserve
So my first reply was yeeted by YT for whatever reason. Anyway, there is 3/4th of a setting for CoC based on YuGiOh. Definitely worth a read, if you can find it.
(i would link it but that would probably get my reply disintegrated again)
@@JasonRBeing In the Toei series, there was also Monster World, which pretty much was D&D.
Given that Pegasus was trying to recreate the original system of summoning monsters that was done in ancient Egypt, which we later do get to see through the Pharaoh's memories, it makes Duelist Kingdom make a lot more sense.
GX/Zexal: I use a normal rule set only broken by magic shenanigans.
Arc-V/Vrains/5Ds/Battle City: I have 2 rule sets for specific situations.
Sevens: I use a simplified rule set!
Duelist Kingdom: Wait, you guys have rules?
Say it with me: “Screw the rules, I have money!”
What was Battle City’s alternate format?
Aren’t we explaining the rules right now?
@@KaoruMzk I kinda lump in all post-battle city arc with it
KC Grand Prix plays %100 by the rules, except Golden Castle being a hacked card
That last rule is perfect cause it does feel like the entire Duelist Kingdom Tourney was a D&D style Yugioh game where Yugi out DM'd everyone to become the King Of Games.
I laughed so hard when one day I discovered Attack the Moon became an actual card. It was just so unexpected to see after opening a box and was a nice throwback to the original Duelist Kingdom arc. Brought back some great memories.
The people making the game have a good sense of humor, even towards their censorship issues of the past. Just look at the Japanese Monster Reborn, the English Monster Reborn, and Monster Reborn Reborn.
Funnily enough, even if Yugi had had the Attack the Moon card, it still wouldn’t be a legal play outside DK. That card only works on your opponent’s spells/traps.
One of my favorite bits of “totally real rules that weren’t retconned” in Duelist Kingdom was the rule of Magic. Black Magic beats White Magic, White Magic beats Grey Magic, and Grey Magic beats Black Magic.
In the manga, Yugi’s Dark Magician is unable to defeat Illusionist Magician because it had the type disadvantage.
Funny enough, in the Gameboy color games and the Sacred Cards/Reshef, there totally were type advantages and disadvantages, where a lower atk monster would beat over a bigger one because of its attribute.
Grey Magic?
I thought they were Demon and Illusion Magic.
@@pn2294 illusion magic IS grey magic. Though looking at it again they just refer to them as Illusionists in the manga. And yeah the demons and devils section completely slipped my mind.
While I'm not to familiar with the Manga when it comes to Magic do I always have to think back how in Joey vs Keith it was stated that magic doesn't work on Machines as there are magic proved.
Yet just a few episodes earlier did the Black Magician destroy the clear machine Labyrinth Drill.
@@hoppyman11 To be precise, there were 3 weapon "triangles":
Earth < Wind < Forest < Fire < Water < Electricity < Earth
Light < Dark < Dreams(Illusion) < Demon < Light
Divine
One of the best ways to farm the very lategame was actually fighting Yami Bakura and stuffing your deck full of dream cards, because he had no real way to out Man-Eating Treasure Chest aside from spells and traps since the only non-darks he played were either tributes with lower attack than non-tributes or stuff like the painting with 500 attack
There’s one rule I’ve found about someone using Exodia to win: When a player won with Exodia the Forbidden One, a player laid out all 5 cards on the field for the computer system to recognize it as a victory condition.
I think that's because the battle station doesn't recognize cards unless they're set on the field. Therefore, any cards with an effect that happens in you hand must be played.
If you won with exodia you have to throw the pieces into the ocean tho
Source? This is pretty cool because Pegasus must've heard about Yugi summoning Exodia against Kaiba and *specifically* added that ruling to the system
Well, just because "No one's ever been able to summon him!!!1!!" doesn't mean someone couldn't at some point, so the computer would have needed that rule either way; and if Pegasus created those cards, he intended for that win condition to be possible (albeit difficult - see quoted meme). But having to lay down the five cards on the field to confirm they were in the hand does sound like it'd be a requirement with that system - or with anything that came after, like Kaiba's Duel Disks.
@@AkerreBeHere Doubtful, my impression is laying the cards on the field is more of a pro forma thing so the computer recognizes the victory condition like @Rainbow Dragon said. But either you're allowed to remove any monsters on the field first or it doesn't matter *where* on the field they're played. The card effect's text in the anime just says "You win the duel", and keep in mind there have been situations, even in the anime, where a duel arena/disk was not used (Yugi vs Bakura, Yugi's timed duel against Pegasus, the duels on the ship, etc.).
The dub is based on the US medical system. 3 million barely covered the bandages.
No.
A lot of Duel Monsters seems to suggest that there's supplementary lore for many of the cards in the game that helps to guide a lot of the creative solutions in this leg of the series. This makes this ruleset great for creative and knowledgeable players like Yugi. He knows that the castle of dark illusions stays in the air due to the power of its flotation ring, that swords of revealing light keeps things in place quite well, and that catapult turtle is a siege weapon. It's not *too* much of a stretch when you look at it in terms like this along with the tabletop-esque setup.
Imagine duel terminal boss monsters under this ruleset, though.
Plus it’s not “improv thinking” it’s more “extremely complex war game with cards”. Yugi isn’t coming up with those interactions and convincing the computer, it’s just obscure rules that don’t usually come up
I wouldn't say don't usually come up. Judging by Pegasus usual things (keeping an entire, unreleased, archetype for himself), Kaiba's calculations (having to brute force the discovery of the Ultimate Blue Eyes dragon) and Tea's (and most duelists) inability to remember most cards, it's pretty much 100% possible that Pegaus hid many interactions in the Ai and didn't release the books containing those and that only guys like Yugi (his grandfather had a card game) could have read the rules released and even he had no idea on the ones hidden.
@@dancorneanu9144 That wouldnt make sense as the duelists explained the card effects going off. I side with the D&D rules + egyptain magic bs.
@@JayceCH. Yes, because they need to remember them and use them. Explanations were done usually when they activated. Tea even went "Only if I remember what this does". The duelists used their cards previously and learned them. The competitive ones, or with great interest in the game, spent more time learning the rules and all intricacies. Others did the bare minimum, so when someone used an unusual combo, they did not understand how to respond. By that I mean that most people don't know every card, so they lose on the knowledge part. In many cases you need to be obsessed or highly driven to get those rules.
The computer decides if a move is legal, or not. And their combos are not unusual for a tabletop game. In those if you don't know the play style of your opponent's army/pieces/etc. you will lose. Dnd still has those rules as a base and the computer needs to know if a move/interaction is legal. The game has those rules and interactions as hard rule set, but most don't really come into contact. The real magic part comes with changing one's fate, extreme luck, and the cheating, with making them real and torture, or maybe looking inside a soul/mind. The normal duelists aren't that mystical and the game still would require some base in rules for them.
The cards and rules don't change. The players knowledge on them, does.
Dude. In manga he played D&D knock off with Yami Bakura and he legit rolled 00, the equivalent of 20.
“Logically, If I light my Red Eyes on Fire and summon it, It doubles its Attack and cannot be destroyed by battle but is disintegrated at the end of the turn”
I'd argue a monster in that position would slowly have his flesh and bone seared away while being in extreme pain, therefore it's attack and defense would rather slowly whittle away
You know seeing it as a crossover with D&D, it honestly makes the rules be I guess sensible. I mean anything is possible at that point of the series so I can let it slide. Nice breakdown of the rules!
Having started playing d&d a few years ago, this makes a lot of sense now. We really have done a lot of outlandish things in our games too lol
Playing Magic: the Gathering after Yugioh made DK more understandable. Flying Immune to non-Flying has been a MTG mechanic for ages.
If Serenity was getting full-on retina transplants, I could see it being 3 million. But I’m pretty sure her issue was cataracts or glaucoma, and those are significantly cheaper to treat.
The real expenses were the American Healthcare system...
To be fair, he still has his dad’s gambling debts to worry about.
@@pn2294 Ooh, I totally forgot all about that! Since the anime never touched on it, I don’t really think about his dad a lot. His mom’s a real prize for only taking Serenity. 😒
@@WhiteRaven696 Japan doesn’t have joint custody (though you have to wonder why she couldn’t get both of them), so they probably ended up with a Solomon Divorce
Did you watch Digimon? Matt and T.K. had a similar family relationship. So did Koji and Koichi.
@@WhiteRaven696
IKR Mother of the year
0:25 Actually, the events of the series, according to the manga, start in 1996 and end with Dark Side of Dimensions in ~1999
So ,really, the prize money during Duelist Kingdom would probably be a bit higher
The timeline of the tech makes no sense with GX
@@leeeyles1864 I think by the end of gx it is shown that it is 2007. But yeah, Dark side of dimensions does pose a lot of questions about the tech that we don't see in gx
Fair but the anime and manga are different canons
@@leeeyles1864 that's because the movie follows the manga canon
I think the entire DM anime takes place in 1994, and GX starts at 2004 and ends in 2006.
While the Original manga takes place in 1996 and ends in 1997, with DSOD taking place in 1998-1999.
And yes technology is more advanced in the Yu-gi-oh world.
I kinda liked the D&D aspect of it. On some level, I kinda wanted to know how some of the newer cards would interact with the ruleset. Like… Speed Warrior is really fast, so a slower monster like the Giant Soldier of Stone can't reliably hit it.
Considering Speed Warrior's effect, I think he increases his speed in short bursts, quickly finishing his opponents, but then needing to rest and becoming vulnerable again.
If there was an actual Duelist Kingdom inspired tournament with the actual rules, I'd just play a bunch of spellcasters and have the excuss of " since they're skilled with magic, I can summon 1 monster from my deck" and i'd just summon obelisk
nah man, thats strike ninjas area
@@camdenthompson4307 it wouldn't work, ever spellcaster type monster in yugioh is depicted as specialiseing in a type of magic that was well established in traditional RPGs:
Black magic: laser beams, psychic pressure and limited telekenisis
White magic: healing and medical magic, also sometimes white magic creates food
Grey magic: illusion casting basically.
Chaos magic: basically dragon ball z ki attacks
Dadric or demonic magic: curruption and control of the oponent
Divine or holy magic: basically support spells like buffs or combo attacks with a few nuke attacks
Elemental magic: self explanatory
Blue magic: basically buffs and debuffs with a few magically enhanced melee attacks.
If you used spellcaster types you'd be limited to those
While some spells and traps do dipict summoning magic the only monster cards depicted with summoning magic are the charmer card serie
As my Cyber Dragon Infinity assimilates other monsters into it, its power and capabilities grow, and it learns to use the effects of the assimilated monsters. As it is a flying monster, you cannot gain field bonuses when attacking it, and because it is a machine, it is immune to both magic and cutting weapons. Oh, and it's powered by a miniature sun, which means that if your monsters touch it they get burned to a crisp and thus destroyed, and it burns the field.
...yeah, I think I can see why they abandoned the Duelist Kingdom rules in the anime after the arc ended.
I mean Yugi orignally owned the time wizard so i'm asusming he planned to use along with dark magician to summon dark sage like how joey uses it with baby dragon to summon thousand dragon - I don't understand why some people draw issue from it.
Well some people see it as Yugi Booby-trapping Joeys deck to ensure his victory. Clearly that wasn't what happened but people are cynical like that.
I don’t see it as Yugi booby trapping Joey’s deck. There’s no way he could have known that he was going to have to duel Joey. He just exploited an opportunity knowing that Joey uses Time Wizard.
@@nightwing179 Exactly my thoughts on this. The way I see it, Yugi gave Time Wizard to Joey because he knew it had a potentially really powerful effect that could help him out in his duels, and he knew that Joey's deck as it was originally wasn't exactly very good; the latter point is why, if you recall, he actually advises Joey to trade for new cards with other people on board the ship on their way to Duelist Kingdom
Yugi vs Joey didn't even happen in the manga; that was an anime-only thing anyways. If Joey never had Time Wizard, he would've lost against Mai and Rex, so people are twisting Yugi's kindness way too far.
Funny enough in the manga Yugi and joey didn't even duel and Joey stepped down so Yugi can duel Pegasus with out revealing any of his strategies
The Duelist Kingdom has the closest fights in the series (with exception of Dartz) to how the original ancient Egyptian fights were portrayed.
There is also the time in GX when Johan used Saphire Pegasus to battle against the Harpy Sisters
Seeing that was Pegasus's original ideea, it makes sense. Kaiba wanted to streamline it.
In which sesne? Eventually all seasons have them betting souls
@@albertoandrade9807 I think he means the rules. Instead of a rigid form of ruling based on card games (in universe made by Kaiba), this battle style was about mages using real creatures that could interact in a 3D space. Even the spells had multiple effects. For example something like Giant Soldier of Stone was something more than a monster with big defense. It was a real entity, with properties, size, presence... It could be used as a stepping stool etc. Lightning travels thru water. The moon had a physical presence. The original duels were between mages who used actual creatures that could change the landscape. The damage was more than mental. It was physical. Think Pokemon battles in the anime vs Pokemon TCG.
Might have actually been part of the plan. Making it closer to the original form might have somehow made it easier for Pegasus to invoke a Shadow Game since he was probably figuring out how to use the eye on his own.
The duelist kingdom ruleset was whatever the hell Pegasus was feeling like that morning.
On a side note, a yu gi oh/ DnD crossover irl sounds like it would be amazing!
>dnd yugioh crossover
hmm, wasnt there (multiple) filler archs that where basically this?
@@midshipman8654game format
My pet theory is that Duel Monsters in the anime always has some degree of ancient egyptian magic behind it allowing certain crazy things to happen, and Pegasus was deliberately tapping into that for the Duelist Kingdom tournament, which is why so many of the rules are crazy, arbitrary, and specific, as well as why the duelists weren't given a full rulebook going in, so they'd have to intuit things for themselves and unconsciously tap in to that magic.
I’m a year late but this headcanon is dope.
Also, imagine serenity with the sharingan, she could have prevented the fukin duel against the big 5 in virtual world, since tristan wouldn't have lost
Great so now along with my Joey Isekai story I'm now going to work a Serenity from Scrub to pro story. Thanks for the idea. Her eyes can see more then just the cards. She has THE SPIRIT SIGHT!!
To be fair not really as there isn't really a reason why the Big 5 should give her that ability in the Virtual world as its something physical not spiritual like Yugi's and the Pharaoh's connection.
@@rynobehnke8289 To be fair most of the characters didn't know what their DMs abilities were until they either asked them or it activated on its own. But hers started speaking to her first. So, an ability awakening at a time of extreme duress. Then later on it develops.
The Sharingan doesn't actually have that many Duel-Assisting powers, just Genjutsu mind-controlling your opponent.
The BYAKUGAN on the other hand, would let you cheat by seeing your opponent's hand and Deck... and GY since those cards are hidden info in the anime
@@bluemew22 yeah, forcing your opponent to pass turn
Bro you're the only yugi-tuber i kept following thru the years cause you're just a super nice and brillant guy and i see you truly loving the game and his surroundings, keep going man love the content and always will :)
And he can make sense out of the convoluted YGO things.
@person person Yu-Gi-Uber
@@rob19ny This isn't about the manga in the slightest though. It's 100% about the anime. No matter the series the anime always, ALWAYS deviates from the manga.
The entire season with Noah between Battle City and the Finals on My Dick is Bigger Island? Never happened in the Manga.
I haven't watch the cartoon or play the game in years. But I really like him
The only Yugitubers I still religiously watch is him and Duel Logs.
Joey deck was heavily updated through DM, I always thought Joey pocketed the left over money and slowly purchased cards for his deck.
From Grandpa, naturally
@@bluemew22 this means yugi has the money
I could see Kaiba dangling moderately effective cards in front of Joey and offering to sell them at a discount in exchange for Joey saying things like "Kaiba is the best duelist ever" in public.
Makes sense, his money after all.
@@KertaDrake "I'm a third rate duelist with a fourth rate deck!"
"Okay here's Graceful Dice for your shitty 500 attack monsters."
the last rule made it much more fun to watch even if it doesnt make sense in today's ygo standards. Could be fun to see more of that stuff in a spinoff
Essentially in the Duelist Kingdom, cards aren't really just cards where a higher ATK monster will win over a lower ATK monster. You have to consider the terrain your're playing and what the monster(s) can do as an aditional effect. The more you know, the better. So yeah it's kinda like D&D mixed with a card game
The Serenity eye edit was beautiful.
Fun fact about the D&D origins: Blue Eyes White Dragon and Five Headed Dragon are based off of Bahamut/Paladine and Tiamat/Takhisis respectively
When I first got into yugioh I followed the duelist kingdom duel rules , when I first dueled someone just played Blue Eyes without paying tributes to summon it they were like what are you doing lol
Man, the Sharingon joke, you're just amazing, I love you
I laughed so hard
Heck, with $3M she must've been getting the other Millenium Eye implanted goddamn
@@christianlabrador2826 lol , good one
@@michaelknasel1641 😂😂😂
nah, its actually Rinnegan implanted to serenity
Transformation rule also applies to Black Skull Dragon. No way Joey or Yugi had that card
Plenty of people have already commented on this I’m sure, but my understanding is that Season One Duel Monsters was equal parts Trading Card Game, and D&D style RPG. This makes perfect sense to me because Kazuki Takahashi was always very clear that his favorite kind of games were tabletop RPG’s. This is evident by the very fact that the final shadow game of the series was one massive Tabletop RPG between Yugi and Bakura.
I always thought the Magic Arrow/Blue Eyes/Mammoth Graveyard fusion would have made more sense if it just destroyed the end result. Because it was now technically part of Yugi's deck, it would have just been destroyed by the Crush Card Virus. Of course with the "Logical Sense" ruling, I wouldn't have been shocked if the virus would then "Spread" to Kaiba's deck.
The fusion thing worked in a similar way in the videogames. The early ones. Where you had to gather the materials and by trial and error, you discovered the fusions.
Mirror Force doesn't do that. It actualky redirects the attack back at all enemies. So the difference between each enemy and the attacker is dealt to the opponent.
That's true; I think the best example of this is in Yugi's duel with Pegasus. When Pegasus attacks with Toon Summoned Skull, Yugi actives Mirror Force, causing the attack to hit all of Pegasus's monsters: he lost 1100 from Toon Mermaid (which had 1400 attack) and 300 from Manga Ryu Ran (which had 2200 attack), causing Pegasus to suffer 1400 points of damage
Also, Weevil just outright cheated during that duel- he had enough monsters on the field to wipe out his life points entirely from this, but one of them wasn’t added
Honestly, the idea is kind of cool, the System would act like a DM and would roll whether you succeeded or failed, so not only would the best duelist win, but the most imaginative one would as well.
I lile to believe that this was the original way to play duel monsters but because of pegasus's death kaiba then bought his company in order to both patent his duel disk and make the battle city tournament all the more 'official' for his rematch agaisnt Atem. That would not only explain how the rules changed so drastically as it could be considered a soft reboot of the game from shifting ownership. But also how in DSOD kaiba had a full blue eyes archetype deck full of new monsters.as it would be his equivelant of pegasus toon deck
But he didn't know what any of the magician girls did in DSOD
@@leeeyles1864 so? Just because he is the owner doesn't mean he would develop every archetype in the game,it makes sense for blue eyes because it's his thing but he would probably let mokuba or someone else in the company the job of designing new cards because he either doesnt care or doesnt have the time
@@makairidah8354 Most likely doesn't have the time to do so. Seto Kaiba has to oversee running the company, which is a big responsibility. And given how many new cards were later created, it seems logical that they would need multiple people working on them to make them
In the manga the Battle city rules were just "advanced rules" that have always been there and Kaiba used that becuase it worked well with his duel disks and he then added his own house rules to organize the tournament so you are not far off but he did not buy industrial illusions but knowing kaiba he would pay off people to have custom made cards so he could beat Atem I mean he made holographic deck system so he could "legally" use obelisk despite the physical card no longer existing
This definitely wasn't the original way. Pegasus specifically made these rules for his tournament.
There was even a bit where Weevil says he was given inside info from Pegasus about the new rules since he won an earlier tournament.
You missed an example on type effects. Joey's Flame Swordsman being very effective on Rex's dinosaur cards and The Dungeon Worm due to their weakness to fire.
The first rule is…There are no rules!!!
To be fair to Joey needing all $3 million for the operation in the dub they are in America so he very well might have actually needed it all.
Replies are taking this joke way too serious.
Not even close. It would have to be an extreme amount of things needing to be fixed to get in the millions. Extracapsular cataract surgery for example costs roughly 1200 in the US
50000 is way too much let alone 3 mill
Welcome to the experience of the ignorant, the only truly shocking prices in us healthcare are ambulance rides, everything else though expensive is not "be millionaire or die" (especially if you actually have insurance which most people do).
@@janehrahan5116 I have insurance, but I still admit prices without are absurd. How can you justify the summary report I got back about what my insurance covered said 12k for a simple checkup at the family doctor. Yeah, Healthcare is expensive in America.
Serenity probably has an autoimmune disease that attacks her eyes and the 3 Million covers not only the surgery, but a treatment plan where she'll be able to get regular surgery or drugs or something every year to maintain her eyesight for the rest of her life.
I've been defending attack the moon for years. Within the context of the game it was played in, that move makes perfect sense.
I'm really glad someone finally took the time to lay out what the actual rules being used in the duelist kingdom tournament are, because I think the entire season gets a lot more flack from the Yu-Gi-Oh community than it really deserves. If you seperate the actual tcg from the show, then it's actually a pretty fun time.
It's pretty stupid not to seperate the tcg from this arc considering it predated the tcg quite a bit.
The problem I always had with it as a kid was that the water was there BEFORE Yugi played that moon magic card, so why does destroying that suddenly get rid of the water?
I guess the idea is that the moon is assumed to be there, but Yugi's spell brought it into the field so then it could be destroyed. But, eh. Even 10-year-old me wasn't buying that one, haha.
@@cloudkitt the moon was holding the water up, so making it suddenly drop would result in force being applied that may shoot it over the stone walls you could see afterwards.
@@crossmaster77 THIS.
Suggestion: Was Bakura Really About to Defeat Kaiba?
It seemed like the Duelist Kingdom arc tried to combine how the card game was played in the manga, and the official trading card game.
I love knowing the American Maximilian Pegasus just invited Japanese people so he wouldn't have to pay out too much
Honestly duelist kingdom format looks pretty fun, although I do see the obvious problem of people just making blue eyes have an op effect like destroying everything on field and burning your opponent. It would be still be cool though to have an official format like this
I think a way to fix this is to move the wholr thing into digital space (at least partially) and program all of the interactions beforehand. Also give all the monsters more detailed descriptions of what they can do, so players would use that as a base to start experimenting with various monsters, spells, traps and terrain combinations.
@@kindlingking i think the "obvious" way to fix this would be to just have a live judge play DM to talk about the scene and what takes effect
Wouldnt be great and is open to bias but itd be the only way to do those last rules well
@@colmecolwag D&D is basically that, and I don't think most D&D players feel cheated. I think it would be very interesting to see a duel like that, I think the hardest part would be keeping track of the effects
@@JojonathanOliveira This is definitely where the Duelist's Handbook (likely an electronic compendium...) would come in handy.
@@kindlingking Well that is what happened. Those make things make sense moments were also dependent on the computer. So those interactions were inside that dueling computer, and the people just needed to think them thru.
That blending of D&D and Duel Monsters is why I loved Duelist Kingdom ❤❤
I have felt like ritual monsters should come from outside of the deck in some kind of way. I know it would kill some card but it would make ritual monsters very viable.
it's honestly surprising that they don't
Now I REALLY want a Duelist Kingdom style D&D system. Obviously updated to include every possibly card in the TCG so far and their mechanics but also more in line with standardized rulings for duels. And of course, any physical objects summon in conjunction with spells and trap card effects could be interacted with in the dueling space. If someone were to make this system, sign me the hell up cause this is probably the only way you'll get me back into Yu-Gi-Oh! again. I love D&D and this sounds like a lot of fun.
You should try to make one with a couple of friends. Could be fun.
You know, if we take out rules like the last one and the type/attribute advantage and the reason that we’re put in due to them not having set rule for the actual game at the time and leave the by invite and no side decks and the field power bonus then this would be a pretty fun tournament to hold IRL! Also, since they made a card based off of Curse of Dragons + Burning the Land, then maybe Konami could make a card based off of Mammoth Graveyard + Polymerization + Living Arrow. It would have an effect that equips it to an opposing monster an causes it to lose 1200 ATK at the start of each of their turns, however if the opponent discards a normal spell they can restore their monsters ATK (it doesn’t get rid of the mammoth retrain but it does delay the power loss)!
bless you, sir, for making an attempt at deciphering the chaos that is the rules of "Duelist Kingdom" lmaoo
The only rule they should have kept was Ritual monsters being on the extra deck. They'd be so much better but they don't get a lot of play because garnets
I bring you megaliths and necroz
@@coyotekono7138 nekroz isn't good anymore. Drytron is busted
tbh i disagree, i love ritual summoning with my supreme ruin and demise deck in master duel. feels like an actual ritual because i need all the pieces in my hand, and part of the fun is running an engine to get them. sure it can be bricky, but ive optimized it pretty well now!
I love how they actually made real cards based on some of the ridiculous card effects from dualist kingdom
the fact that duelist kingdom effects are more logic based makes way more sense looking back on it now and it makes it more enjoyable tbh but still makes me wonder what would have happened if they just had the actual rules
"the actual rules" was not actual, just rules made for the commercial card game. The rule presented here was way more authentic since its only purpose was to serve the manga, which predated the card game of course
I want a reboot. Maybe give the cards effects which justify how they do stuff.
The "exactly 40 cards, no more and no less" rule creates a bit of a plot hole in the Japanese version. Remember, Yugi lost three of his Exodia cards (I think Joey/Jonouchi said something about managing to save 2) and gave Joey Time Wizard, meaning he would only have 37 cards with him when the ship docked.
It is possible that Tea or Tristan (or Bakura in the manga) had a few extra cards they were holding on to in case Yugi was thinking of switching it up before he got on the ship, or Yugi straight-up borrowed it from their decks since none of them were competing anyways. The Ritual Spells probably replaced the Exodia pieces.
This rule only applies once they're set foot in the island, otherwise what would be the point of trading cards on the boat
@@scantyer Well, you'd be trading one card for another, so it'd still be 40
And Jonouchi winning Red-Eyes makes it that Rex has only 39 cards left.
He had more. he gave a few to Joey. It's that they could not use them.
Player: I attack the moon!
DM: ... huh?
Player: My stone golem swings his sword at the moon.
DM: ... ok, he swings into the sky, nothing happens.
Player: But I rolled a natural 20!
DM: The moon is outside your reach, you can't hit it.
Player: What if I took disadvantage and still rolled a 20?
DM: First off, that's a 5e mechanic and the year is 2006, so that shouldn't be possible, unless Ishizu wrote the tournament rules. Second, disadvantage would only apply to the long range of a ranged attack, which the moon is outside of. Third, if that did work, you'd get a literal rocks fall everybody dies. This is why you need to come to Session Zero so we're all on the same page.
This was great 😁
We sometimes play it like Duelist Kingdom for the fun of it, if we can justify it then it happens. Like a fusion of YGO and table top. Anyone who is creative enough and have good counter arguments usually wins.
Ex. Since Dark Magician is the ultimate wizard in terms of attack and defense it is immune to other spellcasters.
TO BE FAIR, if the procedure was happening in the USA, then 3 million dollars makes absolute sense
"Everything he does, he's rolling a d20."
If that d20 was covered in 20s.
The Millennium Puzzle does boost luck.
Joey on the other hand…
I’m glad I just have a video to show my friends now to explain Duelist Kingdom. Thanks for making this!
the quality of these videos is sky-rocketing with your integration of memes
you also got me real good with your Ekster sponsor :D
Great video!
50,000 dollars? It probably cost Pegasus several times more than to rent the ship needed to transport and house the dozens of contestants for Duelist Kingdom in the first place.
It also sounds like too little for people to even bother travelling to some distant island and play survivalist while trying to win the tournament.
Anyone else wish rituals were in another extra deck? I WISH
13:26 "All cards have the potential to do something, if it makes logical sense"
Yugi: "I attack the moon!"
It should also be noted that Duelist Kingdom was essentially a "commercial" for Industrial Illusions' collaborations with Kaiba Corp., specifically the virtual reality RPG game, so it makes sense that there'd be a dungeon master sort of AI in the Duelist Kingdom arc. Also, in the "standard", "basic", or "quick play" rules that 2000 LP games play with, most monster types have an advantage over another that it destroys automatically regardless of attack points.
You can tell TGS isn't America when he's surprised and in disbelief by a several million dollar fee for a medical operation. If anything, that's one of the few things the dub gets right.
Especially since the anime implies that the operation is risky or requires a number of specialists that would definitely drive up the price add that to a likely long surgery and post operation care and 3 million mine just be enough
@@jmurray1110might* just be enough
Kazuki Takahashi loves TTRPGs, so it makes sense for him to implement a rule where if you can narratively justify something you want your card to do, you can do it.
Honestly, the rpg element of the last rule is what made the anime so fun to watch. Of course it would be harder to watch as a player thinking to yourself "that's not how the rules work, that doesn't make sense", from the rpg perspective like you said, it does, and I think it was just so cool how yugi would try and think of logical ways to do some rpg combo to win the duel. This lack of rules made the show fun to watch (at least for someone who didn't know the rules)
Ah I love these videos! Sooo fun to watch!
The past few days I tried to make up the DK rules myself and have some fun with my friends during the holidays. This makes it so much easier!! I would also like to add my own brief thoughts:
1) the ritual monsters ARE inside each duelist's deck, but can be called out from the ritual spell procedure, even when in deck. Or, also logical, all alternative monster types (fusion, ritual, effect result monsters) are all "transform category" monster types.
2) there seems to be a huge vagueness, about the pure stats power of the monsters inside a deck in Duelist Kingdom. In fact, one could easily pick the strongest ones yet and place them in their respective decks, making them practically invincible.
One thing I can mention here, is that it helps to point out that in DK (and, also, later on on the series), monster cards (at least the powerful ones) exist only in copies of one (with some exceptions, like Blue Eyes for obvious reasons). This fact makes Joey's Red eyes a legendary card and explains all the hype when someone sees the card in action. And, of course, this applies in many more cases as well.
Unfortunately, we stay with no light about what regulations would take place for the monsters power inside the deck.
Could someone just include high level monsters? Could those be, like, only 5? And if so, 3 lf them must not have more than 2300 attack power -you see where Im going with this.
Maybe if we could fill this gap, we could have all the rules of DK in our hands and apply them for fun.
Anyways, just my opinion. Again, great content!
My guess is that good cards in general ar e just very rare
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You do realize the way you explained Dark Sage here contradicts what you said about Dark Sage in both your Dark Magician Archetype video & your top 10 Shennanigans video, right?
Bro the discount link 404s
Joey got red eye black dragon and metal claws so it be 2 cards not 1. Metal claws is a anime only card.
Got a 404 on the link
Need to remove the last full stop my dude
dude you're handsome. have a nice day
if you think about it, the combination of card game and D&D would be a rly interesting experience. Would love to play something like this :3
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Als ich damals die Serie zum ersten mal gesehen habe, dachte ich auch an DSA (in Deutschland bekannt wie D&D).
Später dachte ich ein "1000" Regeln - Buch wäre passend. Also zusätzlich zu den Regeln auf den Karten ein Buch mit den Effekten welche jede Karte auf eine andere Karte hat.
Dazu dann welcher Effekt durch eine 3..... Karte in der Kombination ausgelöst werden kann.
14:55 ....NO! You're ATTACKING the MOOOOOON! The big, spherical satellite located IN SPACE! You'd NEVER reach, let alone successfully destroy it
There were 41 duelist while yes it was intended to be 40 Joey got a starchip from Yugi but still the same amout of starchips.
u mean 42 Duelists. Based on their History, I'm 99% sure Bandit Keith did NOT receive an invitation from Pegasus. He snuck onto the island, too.
@@floodinmon14 We know he did'nt because he did'nt have either of the cards that qualified him for the finals.
@@Cloud-dt6xb Oh yeah I forgot about that. Good point.
@@floodinmon14 43 since Kaiba was forced to duel with starchips in order to face Pegasus. Or 44 since Mokuba escaped and took part in a handful of duels, or possibly closer to 50 is Bandit Keith's entire gang snuck onto the island, were any of them seen on the cruise ship?
@@velvetbutterfly ah good point, I 4got about the Kaiba Brothers.
Really cool video! Thanks! It actually makes the duelist kingdom rules more consistent.
And the last rule allows Yuugi to be more creative and the duels to be more surprising. I mean Yuusaku (as much as I loved his character) always dueled in the same way which was annoying. I think the success of duel monsters also relied on this "creativity" allowed in duelist kingdom.
Most of this list just reminded me of your "top 10 shenanigans" video, which ironically, I watched again recently just because it came up in my feed.
I love how the explanations slowly derail haha.
This was an awesome video man, I highly enjoyed it!
The Living Arrow/Polymerization/Mammoth Graveyard doesn't even require the "If you can describe it you can do it" caveat. All cards are operating exactly as they should, no extra shenanigans required. The rule that enables that combo is actually way earlier in your list under the massive list of fusions rule. It can be safely assumed that the "Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon + Mammoth Graveyard" fusion (let's call it Blue-Eyes Ultimate Rotting Dragon) is the same as Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon but losing 1000 ATK per turn (could be useful). Living Arrow enables the Polymerization target so everything is 100% by the stated card rules.
But what rule states that the fusion goes to your oponents field and not yours if you made the fusion?
@@FranciscoRamirez-nb4uu That is due to the Living Arrow which is required to use your opponents monster. I should have mentioned that this does assume that the Polymerization card operates a little differently which considering it is the most errata'd card in Yugioh is not hard to believe (have you seen the 1st edition text?). The way it seems to operate in the anime is that you choose 1 monster and fuse another into it, which the other fusions in DK seem to support. In other words Fusion (in DK) is something you do to a monster rather than a summoning.
Edit: To further support this theory in this same duel Kaiba has to summon his Blue-Eyes White Dragon in order to cast Polymerization on it. So it definitely seems like it has to target a creature.
@@tinkerer3399 what you suggest kinda suggest that combining blue eyes + baby dragon is different to baby dragon + blue eyes because if Yugi can choose to resolve the effect on BEUD that means he can apply it to the mammoth, which basically means you havea ridicuously amount of combinations + the inverse order combinations, since the fusion monster don't exist every monster is a posible target for polymerization, in the Duelist Kingdom make sense because the duels are controled by a machine/computer but it's shown sometimes that people plays the game on regular tables, do those players need to memorize the stats and effects of all posible combinations to use fusions?
@@FranciscoRamirez-nb4uu I don't know about the first part of your statement. While it is true that you could either combine Blue Eyes into Baby Dragon or Baby Dragon into Blue Eyes I don't recall ever saying that it would give you two different monsters.
For the second part, yeah that would probably be right. People would be forced to carry around a book just for the results of Polymerization. Probably why they changed the card effects in universe. Remember that in this duel Kaiba summoned Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon without a BEUD card.
Or there are alternate possibilities. Kaiba mentions that he combined Mystic Horseman with Battle Ox because they are both mythical creatures and hence are supposed to both be compatible. It could be that all incompatible monster combinations just create a version of the targeted monster that loses 1000 ATK per turn. That would drastically cut down on the number of creatable monsters and change it from a whole book of monsters to a smaller section within the general rule book. Still a pain in the butt to have to reference it but far fewer pages than a whole book of just monsters for 1 card.
The standard rules are that living and unliving monsters are not to be fused. They are incompatible. The living arrow makes the monster target an opposite monster for a fusion. We have Fusion cards that work on opposite monsters. Is not that the specific fusion is not woking, but all fusions like that would create a similar effect. It rots bececause it is wrong.
The thing with a Rule Book was reinforced by Tea and the duelists reactions. They need to remember all those interactions or look it somewhere. The computer has them in itself and they need to find them by trial and error or just know it. Tea said "If only I remembered what this does". It's tabletop rules , but with the incentive to hide and Ruleshark your opponent.
Another very important rule which applied across all of season 1, is that both players start the duel with only 2000 life points. Which when you consider all the other rules, makes a lot of sense because those duels do not need to be dragged out any longer.
And yet we have the 5 part Match of the Millennium Yugi vs Pegasus
@@Shantae1188 Can you imagine that with 8000 life points? It would basically be a 20 episode duel. I wouldn't put it past them to have tried that or at least considered the idea.
@@Gfreak250 It’s funny that Dark Side of Dimensions shows 8000 Life Point duels but are still very quick
@@Shantae1188 I think they knew the rules of the game by that point. Season 1 however, the rules were more like suggestions.
@@Gfreak250 True.
Your explanation at the end was right on the money, no need to apologize lol thank you for the closure.
A game that plays like that fr sounds super fun
This was a really good video, and I'd love to see more videos that explain the different rule sets in each series. Like GX clearly has different rules than Duel Kingdom or Duel City. And I do like that the final rule explains a lot of the bullshit they did in the first season.
Most of these rules really hindered Joey more than anyone else,
Like Battle Ox being immune to fire even though Flame Swordsman had more attack
It helped Joey's ass against Rex with Flame Swordsman solo-killing all of Rex's dinos and made him bring out the big guns (AKA Dragons) at the very least.
@@tetsushinjou6456
True
Am I the only one who wants an actual Yu-gi-oh game based exactly off the duelist kingdom anime rules?
Duelist kingdom sounds like the inspiration for the Duelist of the roses game
I guess to streamline some of the DnD like rules you could say a rule is that ANY object on the field, be it objects manifested by spells (the moon) or the field itself can be interacted with by Monsters attacks or abilities.
Heyyy. Last month I started to watch Yugioh again, because of nostalgia. And your channel is a blessing for me. And I was wondering about duel from 5th season. Ziegried vs Kaiba idk why but I still think that Zigfried von Schroeder should have won this duel. It would be great hearing your thoughts about this duel.
All you need is enough confidence to justify whatever you say
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Bro, why is the background music in all your vids so damn good! Great work, keep it up!
I'll be honest with you, I think that some of the duelist kingdom rules came in my personal opinion, because in the manga and even in Yugioh zero the game is not called duel monsters but wizards and monsters, so according to that a bit like in D&D the game is between two wizards who fight each other with monsters, Magic and traps (which is also a kind of magic from the way I see it) What do you guys think?
I really wish Ritual Monsters were played in the extra deck, I'm pretty sure they would be played a hell of a lot more.
Agreed.
Especially since most extra deck monsters these days are far superior to the vast majority of ritual monsters, let alone the practically unplayable garbage rituals of the early days. Even back when the game was new, Hungry Burger was a terrible, TERRIBLE, choice for your deck. Still good for a laugh though if you dust it off and beat someone with it.
Loved the video!
Also I think all the later rules / effects found in the tcg are actually in Duelist Kingdom but they are not specified as rules yet. For example, the mammoth that makes the Ultimate Dragon decay is probably the inspiration for monsters that can be equiped to an opponent's card (like Gilfer and many others). The field power bonus of the island is the origin of the field spell cards. Quickplay spell cards were added afterwards but were already used as you explained. The Curse of Dragon is actually used as an effect monster (it consistently destroys the opponent field spell of Mako and of Haga) so effect monster was already getting important at this time even though the design doesn't show it.
The specific monsters that act as traps or spells are Pendulums.
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all cards have the potential to do something, if it makes logical sense
*I PUNCH THE MOON!!!!*
Someone should powerscale Giant Soldier of Stone
Duelist Kingdom Tournament Rules:
Note: Duelist Kingdom is split into two parts: A qualifying session and a final.
Rule 1: Duelist Kingdom is Invite only.
Rule 2: Each Duelist invited receives a welcome pack. (5 card/2 star chips)
Rule 3: Star chips must be wagered in every duel.
Rule 4: 10 star chips are required to qualify for the finals.
Rule 5: The loss of all star chips or having less than 10 at the end of the qualifying session time limit are eliminated.
Rule 6: Qualifying session is a Battle Royal with a 48 hour time limit.
Duelist Kingdom Duel Rule Set:
Rule 7: Players are limited to a 40 card main deck exactly.
Rule 8: No side decking is permitted. Extra cards are confiscated before tournament.
Rule 9: Cards won through duels can be side decked.
Rule 10: Each Duelist begins with 2000 life points.
Rule 11: Each player starts with 5 cards and then draw 1 to begin.
Rule 12: You lose if your life points are reduced to 0.
Rule 13: One normal summon per turn.
Rule 14: Monster's summoned can be: Face up Attack/Face up Defense or Face down Defense.
Rule 15: You can flip summon into face up attack or defense.
Rule 16: High Level Monsters do not require tributes.
Rule 17: If you control no monsters and are unable to summon before the end of their turn, they lose the duel.
Rule 18: You can only attack once per turn. (Monsters with an effect that allows them to attack more than once?)
Rule 19: Players cannot attack directly.
Rule 20: If a monster is destroyed by card effect, Half its attack is dealt as damage.
Rule 21: Monsters equipped to another are still treated as monsters.
Rule 22: All spell cards are treated as quick-play spells.
Rule 23: Fusion/Transformed Monsters are not physical cards. (Glossary Extra Deck)
Rule 24: Ritual Monsters are kept outside of your main deck.
Rule 25: Fusion/Ritual Materials must be on the field to be summoned.
Rule 26: Traps are triggered when the activation requirement is met.
Rule 27: Monsters of corresponding Type/Attribute to a field zone receive 30% ATK/DEF Boost.
Rule 28: Monsters with a field power bonus negate opponent attack boosting spell cards applied to monsters without a field power bonus.
Rule 29: Type specific effects may affect both sides of the field.
Rule 30: All cards have the potential to do something, so long as it makes rational sense. (Roleplay)
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Your videos are always entertaining and interesting. I would have nevermind thought of following a Yugioh youtubers since i haven't play or watched Yu-Gi-Oh in like 10+ years. That D&D collaboration was great, Yugi/Atem never loses his D20 rolls xD
Dude the D&D reference had me dying. That's awesome LOL
I mean nothing in the tournament rules prevented Kaiba from using his dual technology didn't Yugi lose like five star chips at the end of the dual because Kaiba's emo strategy
Honestly, I figured, after paying for the eye operation, Joey paid for the hospital room and anything left over went to improving his deck, leading to the Luck deck we all know and love.
If we operate by 2006 (Which I feel is wrong the tournament should have taken place in the late 90’s early 00’s) then 50,000 probably would have covered cost of the surgery (which not including hospital stay) is about 20,000 grand including hospitals stay is about 30-40 grand there were probably some medical debts that Joey had to cover as well as post hospital therapy leaving Joey with about 5-1 grand left to splurge
@@adrianawilliams4810 Yes, but I meant the 3 million bucks, not the yen.
@@thegreyjedi2372 well I don’t know how much the 3 mil would be worth today but your reply sounds right (also I was agreeing with you)
@@adrianawilliams4810 Oh. Oops. Sorry for sniping, then. Still, even in 99 or 06 terms, a grand would buy a LOT of cards.
@@thegreyjedi2372 yeah a lot which explains why Joey decks get so much better (although I think Joey used a lot of it to move away from his dad and stuff so he probably had like 200 left still a lot)
1:15 absolutely hilarious, keep up the good work
The DnD comparison is so good, because ultimately the original point of Yu-Gi-Oh was supposed to be a showcase for all games, with a large emphasis on DnD in portions of the Manga. The official rules of Duel Monsters weren't written until there was a large interest in the card game from readers. As much as people clown on this part of Yu-Gi-Oh's history, I've always liked it, it really does feel like a scenario in which all the players are constantly asking a DM if what they want to do makes sense.
My opinion: dark sage should be a fusion that can be summoned like a normal fusion monster and by contact fusion
Well... That is what he was in the anime. A fusion with one card. The extra deck was the fusion deck where changes also went. Remember those Nex cards of Jaden's? Or the Mask Change fusions? I presume later Konami just implemented them correctly and didn't bother to go back to change the cards they overbalanced early.
Plus, in the anime, Time Magician could act as a spell. An early version of pseudo-pendulum. Having him in a Dark Magician deck in the early days to summon a card that can get you any spell would have been a great addition. Some support. Proper one, not a hundred random underpowered cards and it would have made dark magician competitive.