It really does sound like he's trying his best to justify pulling for Aquila. Aquila over Skyward Bennet for a Catch XL is about ~10.6% ATK substat for her. Not bad, but it definitely doesn't fall under GOAT territory. It's also equivalent to a smaller ATK% bonus for characters + weapons with higher base ATK, XL is probably one of the more generous cases. Plenty of other weapons on the list have a far higher team damage increase than Aquila on Bennet. PJWS on an appropriate carry for instance.
I get what he means by that, you have to think about it from a content creator POV, with people that ask questions like, "just got x weapon from standard or losing 75/25 on weapon banner, who should I put it on?" The answer you shouldn't double down and pull for a character you don't want just to use a weapon you don't want.
Zajef has hot takes which is fine but this has to be like one of those dumpster fire takes. I think it’s a classic case of being attached to what you have the most experience with which is fine because it is after all his opinion- It’s not a theory crafting tier list rather more of in the line of he’s had Aquila the longest and used it extensively so that’s probably why he ranks it so high. Lost prayer was my first 5 star weapon and I would also rank it pretty high even though it’s probably not as great as I might think
Most of his videos recently feel like they're delusional obsessions with Bennett. Like, he knocked Ningguang several notches in a recent video about Geo DPS because he claims a C6 Crit Bennett would outweigh the damage contribution that Ningguang can provide, and now here Aquila Favonia is #1 GOAT because it's useful on Bennett.. Idk what this man's obsession with Bennett is but holy fuck it's getting annoying.
Dude is upseting that he was using the logic "yeah Aquila is S tier because Bennett (1 Character) just use it as a stat stick". And then for Jade spear he goes "I don't know... its not that good, it only works on Xiao and thats one character".
Nobody pulls for standard banner weapons. So the best standard banner weapon is the one that works FINE on the most characters. The one that if you get, you can spread it around nicely until you actually pull on the weapon banner to replace it. I literally only use Aquila on Qiqi and for Bennett I use either Sumeru craftable or the Alley Flash for base ATK
Yeah the Aquila take is either super biased or in bad faith. Only Bennett wants it sumeru Craftable is super good on Bennett and if u have the alley flash or any other high base atk weapon u are barely getting an increase from it and the passive argument has to be a meme
@Larrytherat It was an incredibly biased and trash take. The best 5 star weapon pulls have always been weapons that work on more characters and not fewer
@@fightorflight2279it's litteraly the same as saying Amos bow is goat because it (was) bis on ganyu, if no one except her can use it, then it's not a good weapon to get
Harp and lost prayer are the best hands down. You can slot those 2 on so many characters and they'll be better than any F2P option almost always. Lost prayer is underrated because it's been dogshit for such a long time, but now you can slot it on wanderer, neuvillette, rizzly, hell even klee is good now with furina.
I always knew lost prayer in itself a weapon is very good. It just took a long time for hoyoverse to have an actual dps catalyst. Even then, most crit substat 5 star weapons are always valid dps boost for supports. But involving catayst support characters, it doesnt compete with TTDS since most of them dont do dmg.
I agree with Zajef on Aquila. that was my first 5 star and Beny signature. The amount of times Beny didnt die is quite a significant buff. Also now it sinergyzes with Furina XD
@@ixirion It's good on bennett, but it's not that much better than the alternatives to warrant putting it over harp or lost prayer, which work well on so many characters. I also don't remember the last time i died on bennett, and i'm using him on alley flash.
For the first time I got to disagree almost completly with Zajef. Jadewing is awesome on Xiao and Cyno (Staff of Homa is better, yeah, pull on weapon banner then), I rather use Skyward Blade on bennet (much more energy efficient, GL getting Energy/HP on Aquilla). Harp is super flexible, works in almost every bow character (maybe not BiS but why generics characters are good and an generic weapon is bad?). Skyward Spine is an second catch. Not even mentioning on "You pull on weapons for characters" talking about Standard Weapons.
Exactly literally almost all the rankings in here are wrong , also skyward blade allow Bennett to run instructor which is huge DPS gain for reactions teams
Yeah i went back to check Zyox and has more "favorable" personally on tier list. I dont mind his opinion since he usually composes teams that splits dmg and not heavy single investment which is fair. His perception with weapons is how it contributes for the 4 party composition with supports doing off field dmg or elemental reaction dmg. Understandably many would miss his point since he considers rotation uptime more valuable.
@@kingdoom5022don't know about shenhe, but for Raiden or xiangling it's strictly worse than the catch. Granted you can't have 2 catches but primordial is better on Raiden anyways
One of the few times I hard disagree with Zajeff, Aquila is a fine weapon if bennet is key to your account. Harp and lost prayers are definitely better because they make building stats much more comfortable and it’s just a big stat stick that can’t do any bad. If a weapon is great on lots of characters, imo it’s goated af.
Harp being good is so based, BiS other than sometimes elegy on Sara, very good on ganyu, the extra crit damage helps it outperform BiS 4*s easily across the board, BIG FAN
Indeed, I think Harp is the greatest standard banner weapon. It is because it is good on a LOT of characters. While Bennett benefits from Aquila a lot it is not like it is a huge power spike even when accounting for multiple characters getting buffed from it. Harp however can be very good on a dps bow character. I would rather have a Harp on a bow dps rather than an Aquilla on Bennett. Bennett could just use Sapwood Blade. What are the 4 star bows you can put on bow dps characters? Not many good choices here.
It doesn't outpreform 4 stars for all characters, and a couple prefer amos but it indeed overall does well. I'd say Amos is almost always better on Ganyu, in Melt it is better and in Freeze Skyward's only better if you literally only have crit damage rolls with how easy it will be to over cap crit.
@@twigz3214 Amos is worse in Morgana but better in Melt. So I do not think it is almost always. It depends on the team you are using. You are not forced to use Blizzard Strayer if you are overcapping on crit that much.
@@AzureDrag0n1 amos will certainly be better than harp on ganyu... only if u artifact is near god tier. It mostly depends on artifact for this one.. even on freeze amos can be better. But all theory crafting and calculations assuming ur artifact got around 30cv or 25cv.. im not sure. But this makes the most crit based weapon shine.. it is easy to build a gud CRCD ratio with them. Mine ganyu CRCD 69 222 with amos. And im prefer amos.. no matter melt or freeze.. and dmg is better. But if im ult spam support ganyu.. i will use harp. But let be honest.. even on melt.. tighnari signature is the best one on ganyu with benny att buff. Yelan signature also pretty stonk on ganyu freeze and it is much easier to build.. but guess if u got amos and harp only.. u can experiment with them and see which is better.
Aquila's worth is base on how much of a big deal bennett is in your account. However, as time goes by we can see bennett will start to lose steam the more we get characters like furina that doesn't scale with atk. Additionally skyward blade having ER can be a lifesaver for people that don't have the artifacts that have enough ER. Aquila is 100% a cope ass take, I see more value in 5* standard crit weapons because crit is a harder stat to get than more healing and ER. A skyward harp literally is worth 60 CV last time I check and that can be a big deal for people that likes to play a character but don't have the crit because then it can be use by most dps that likes crit.
@@chronopolize_jp is he? Bennet only heals an on fielder and even than only to 70% their HP, not even a full heal. He can work with Furina but he is not the best option like you claim him to be
@@ihatemondays9428One of Hu Tao's best teams now is her/Furina/Yelan/Bennett. If your onfielder can use Bennett then he's good in Furina teams. From what I know, you build him for as much healing as possible and just do a bit more swapping.
@@ngeorge9673 again, is he? Sure, Bennet gives massive atk buff and Pyro Resonance, but the tradeoff is that you need to swap to utilise Furina's buff and even than Bennet can't heal past 70% of HP. By the time Bennet heals, teammates HP will be drained by Furina's Salon members. Better alternative would be Jean. Teamwide instant heal that will proc Furina's buff to the maximum, 40% Elemental Resistance shred not only for Hu Tao but Yelan and Furina as well
@@ihatemondays9428I mean Jstern literally did calcs on it. Hu Tao's best team that uses Furina has Bennett in it. Jean is the second best and obviously more comfortable. If you build Bennett for healing, then he can heal past the 70% point a lot of the time. That's not a hard limit. Bennett heals a lot when built for healing.
Skyward blade is underrated , its the strongest weapon on Bennett on my opinion cause the ER , its also extremely good with xingqiu and one of the best options for jean which is a very good unit after furina
I agree. My bennet has 280% er because of skyward blade and the base atk is good too. I can now battery my entire national team and I can use an em timepiece on xiangling or something like that.
@@rewer Favonius has the lowest base atk for a 4 star weapon. Using it on Bennett isn't worth it. Just use a higher base atk weapon on him and build a little bit more ER on Xiangling. She also benefits from higher ER thanks to the Emblem set. Using Skyward Blade allows Bennett to use a full dmg build too, so I agree with the OP here that skyward blade is his strongest weapon. It gives high amounts of ER, the second highest base atk of all the 5 star swords and somewhat useful passive.
@@quetzelquillz No, Bennett still wants as much ER as possible since generally it's the only stat that matters to him and you're better off not needing to battery him at all. Character's ER doesn't affect the other character's energy generation. You still need enough ER on Xiangling (around 200) despite your Bennett having high ER.
Yeah Zajef missed with this one. Putting Aquila as the goat because it's really good on Bennet and arguing that a weapon only needs to be really good on one character to be amazing, just to drop Jade-Winged Spear down to "fine" specifically because of the lack of users is contradictory. No one pulls for standard weapons, you just get them, so they should be ranked based on how useful they are as stand-ins for characters whose BIS weapons you don't have. And in that regard, I think all of the Skywards do a pretty solid job.
How in the world is that a contradiction in the slightest? Aquila is really good on one versatile character. PJWS is really good on one not versatile at all character and someone nobody plays. Therefore, Aquila is used in lots of teams. PJWS is used in Xiao-focused teams. Lots > Few.
@@shoppingforleaves3162 the point remains the same. In their own words: "No one pulls for standard weapons, you just get them," so judging based on their performance for a single character (even if that one character is versatile) isn't an accurate judgement. It's just judging that one character's performance instead of judging the weapon's performance. Objectively speaking, Aquila Favonia isn't that good except for on Bennett, and even then that's only because it has high base attack; therefore, it is a trash weapon. PJWS is a good stat stick at the very least because it gives crit rate and high base attack. The best weapon on standard banner is most likely skyward harp, as it is a huge stat stick and a great option for most bow characters. The other skyward weapons aren't very bad either tbh; they're not perfect, but they're still pretty versatile.
@@randomperson8375 The weapon's performance is the performance of a single character if that's the only character it's good on, especially when said character is a 4 star everyone has 15 copies of. If you made a list of 1000 people's abyss teams, more would benefit from pulling Aquila than PJWS because more use Bennett than use Xiao and Cyno. Therefore, in the only content whose difficulty matters, pulling Aquila would be more valuable than pulling PJWS. I have both, only one gets used and it's not the spear. PJWS is second or third best choice on a bunch of characters but when the first choice is a fishing weapon, or a 4 star, it's a pointless weapon. I would have been better off not using the crystals to level PJWS.
@@shoppingforleaves3162 PJWS is still better imo because it gives more than just high base attack and is more versatile than Aquila. The crit rate it gives is good for any polearm character, so even if said character can't make best use of its passive it's still getting 44 crit value from using it. Aquila only really works on Bennett because all it has going for it is its high base attack, and most people are still going to find Skyward Blade more useful for Bennett since it gives ER. Aquila's passive and secondary stat are pretty much useless on most characters, whereas Skyward's are actually useful for most sword characters. And again, even if we completely disregard PJWS from this discussion, Skyward Harp is still far better than either option and can be put to great use on just about every bow character in the game. There really is no comparison between Aquila and Skyward Harp because Harp is leagues ahead of it thanks to its whopping 64 crit value and high base attack.
@@shoppingforleaves3162 aquila only gives 130 more attack buff than sapwood blade which is already a f2p option for bennett while having a good amount of er. Keep in mind that you will hit 3k attack with Bennett so thats only 4% damge increase on a character that is on field or snapshottable characters and you will have er problems when you dont have noblesse with high er subs. And this gap further decrease on a weapon like alley flash. Yes its very good on Bennett but its not a massive enough boost for a single character to be a goat
Aquila Favonia best? Lmao bruh.. unironically one of Zajef's worst takes. It's kinda weird you would rank a weapon lower just cause you personally don't have anyone you'd use it on. Skyward Harp is a strong stat stick for any dps bow character, not just Fischl. Whereas Aquila Favonia is only good on Bennett and even then Fav and Sapwood exist.
its even funnier when he proceeds to say that Aquila is not worse by only being used on bennet, but Jade is not that good by not having many spear carries, like???? does it matter or not that can be used in one or more character(s).
@@74z9 true, i also rather off-field units or weapons that enhance them, but i see a bigger value in 5 weapons who can be more universal and even more when the support/off field options are bigger than the on field ones.
@@74z9 aquila only gives 130 more attack buff than sapwood blade which is already a f2p option for bennett while having a good amount of er. Keep in mind that you will hit 3k attack with Bennett so thats only 4% damge increase on a character that is on field or snapshottable characters and you will have er problems when you dont have noblesse with high er subs. And this gap further decrease on a weapon like alley flash. Yes its very good on Bennett but its not a massive enough boost for a single character to be a goat
@@keikaku5421you just only care for ER stat for bennett, nothing else. And you will get his ER requirement eventually, even if the weapon don't have secondary ER stat on it
I have to hard disagree with you on Aquila. The weapon is trash sure it’s high base attack for bennett but skyward blade has ER and a good base attack as well. I think sapwood blade is a better choice for bennett then Aquila and let’s be real Aquila is only used for bennett. The passive is also pretty useless if that heal really mattered I think skill issue considering bennett just heals himself with burst which you will be getting more often with a weapon with ER substat then running Aquila just saying.
@@kingdoom5022 yeah, some characters can get even higher. Hu tao is often played with Bennett on speedruns comps, and Hu tao with homa by Herself can already hit around 3.5k ATK even before Bennett's burst. That's why you see many use alley flash on Bennett just to lower the team's cost.
Then Jade is only about as good as Spine since you don't start with 7 stacks. Still, downplaying Skyward spine seems kinda dumb to begin with considering its used in a team that's easy to learn and deals good damage. It honestly just feels like too much bias to what's good on his account.
@@alexanderginger754 I also don't pull for 5* weapons and dislike hypercarries (i haven't pulled for a single one unless you consider c0 raiden a carry) but I'd still take jadewing, skyward harp, or any of the catalysts before aquila. He's right in that for bennett it's amazing but there's no way it's better than all the other standard weapons. At least he made it clear at the end his tier list is biased
@@alexanderginger754 Just personal preference, im not a fan of the "everyone in the team buffs one unit and that unit does 90% of the damage" playstyle. I much prefer reaction based teams (hyperbloom, quicken, taser, whatever national variants are)
A bit weird how Aquila is the GOAT because Bennett is versatile, but Skyward Spine all the way at the bottom despite Raiden also being somewhat versatile
Raiden is nowhere near Bennett’s level of versatile. - Raiden, while have some support utility, is still an on-field DPS first and foremost. what she provide is something that other character can also provide. Bennett is Bennett. - if Raiden is as versatile as Bennett. then she would have so many team except that she doesn’t. sure, you can slot her in many team but how good would that team be though ? if you don’t care about optimal play, then literally any character is as versatile as each other.
@@nanathedelta8561You're right. Coz Bennett is meaningless and Raiden is goated. Ei is a battery DPS who can also be a long range Hyperbloom trigger that's better than Shinobu. And will always have relevancy with any and all future characters because you want energy. Bennett literally doesn't do anything with 99% of the Dendro teams, barely functions with some Fontaine characters like Neuvillette and Furina, and we'll see what future upcoming characters will do with regards to Bennett etc.
@@KategariYami Except that… Raiden is not really a battery ? I means.. the time you spend on-fielding her means your other character don’t use their skill to generate particles. Raiden just happens to have the ability to compensate that a little bit but nowhere as potent as the actual respective battery. Sure, you can argue that Raiden will be more relevant because she provide flat energy but how good is the team is a different story. I could also argue the same that Bennett would ALSO be more relevant because 90% of the entire roster are ATK scaler and Bennett will improve literally any ATK scaler. Bennett also have some use in Dendro Archetype, namely Burgeon team and Thunderring Furry. Bennett also work with Furina. yeah, he doesn’t work with Neuvilette but so does Raiden and Beidou. how about that ? Hmmm ?
@@lawfulgoodnun1646 I don’t really agree with that. honestly, It depends on how you define “good”. but like.. in TC community, if it is enough to clear comfortably, then it is good. People often underestimate C0 Raiden or just straight up using C2 as a benchmark. like.. yeah, literally every character are stronger with constellations but that does not invalidate them at C0 by any mean. I don’t think she is that great but I don’t think she’s not as good as other either. she’s a fine character, in an upper middle meta team. I still play her as a hyper carry time to time but most of the time, she’s a hyperbloom trigger (I have her at C3 but f that, it’s less fun that hyperbloom lmao) And I think C0 Raiden is perfect for people who want to play hyperbloom. especially Neuvilette hyperbloom with Furina. you don’t have to get up close to enemy like Kuki, It also has an absurd amount of ST DPS and very good AoE DPS.
As a person who actually looks at the numbers my carries do with bennett, Skyward Blade is a better version of Aquila unless you're stacking a lot of pyro particles in your team L tier list putting one of the most useless weapons up above the real goat, Harp
imo the goat is pjsw not because its better than harp but because of how there aren't any good f2p main dps polearms for characters like cyno and xiao while also remaining as a great option for almost any other polearm user but if we put the 2 weapons in a vacuum than i do agree harp is better also with sapwood being a free craftable that gives some er, auqilia is actually 2nd the worst weapon imo (i think amos is worse but idrk much about that weapon so my opinion is subject to change)
Honestly? Skyward Spine. It was the first one I ever got, right about during the time where I started gearing for abyss for the first time. It helped me enormously, being able to play both Xiangling and Raiden with good weapons. My Raiden has never lost SS since.
Eh, if you don't have or use raiden, spine is practically useless. My R3 skyward spine is worse than R5 catch on xiangling, and believe me i tried to cope with it so much. And it's practically useless on everyone else.
my first 3 standard 5 star weapons were 3 skyward spines. Id trade all 3 for a single random other standard weapon. Its so dogshit. Im praying there is going to be a polearm buffer that scales off base atk so atleast it would get some use, but even still fav lance would be very competitive since it has one of the highest base atk for 4 stars and offers utility.
Skyward spine is kinda bad tbh. So many 4 stars are just better then it. The only use I find it for is to give it to shenhe because I have no other 5 star spear.
@@lawfulgoodnun1646 idk I don't have any better weapons than it, other than the Catch obviously but that's on Xiangling. I also really was answering the question of the title of the video, for me it came at just the right time so it will always be my personal goat haha
I feel like Skyward Harp is now much better for Fischl since the release of the golden troupe set since you will hit diminishing returns at some point with all that Elemental Skill Damage. So the minor crit stats and highest possible base attack on a bow are coming in a little more handy :)
I just got Aquilla on standard banner and uhh .. I don't think I'll even level it. Bigger Bennet buff is nice and all .. but I'd rather have the 46 to 78 ER on him and I hate swapping weapons for specific teams so I'd rather use the one that works on all of em. I also hate wasted passives and that things passives are all but useless. Sadge no Dehya for my Neuvi.
I have Mistsplitter which is Bennett's BiS and I still use Fav. It's too annoying when Bennet tries to battery Xiangling and too few particles come out. Rebuilding Bennet for more ER is one thing, but doing so to Xiangling would hurt team damage more than the increase in Bennet's buff
@@SeenE-kg9nj You can rebuild Bennett entirely with as much ER as reasonable, throw a higher base attack weapon with some ER on him (Like Sapwood Blade), and then throw Fav on some other team member for the purpose of more particles (Like XQ/Kazu/Sucrose). Bennett on his own really doesn't do that much damage overall so I like having more snapshot damage on Xiangling given that I can use her burst comfortably. I don't dislike the idea of Fav on Bennett but it always feels like I am missing out on his buff's potential if I do that.
@@aritra2116 My Kazuha is also always on Fav and for same reason. I actually have enough ER rolls to give him an EM weapon, but I don't because I want him to battery even more. Then I usually use either Childe (with FGM) or C1 Yelan (Fav). If I use C1 Yelan, then I switch to Mistsplitter on Bennett (3 Favs is a bit of an overkill)
On the subject of goat 5 star weapons. I find Primordial Jade Cutter to be quite great at just being usuable by pretty much everyone. I know full well that's it's not a standard banner weapon but it's one of those weapons that you don't exactly intentionally pull for. I pulled mine when I was pulling for the Xiphos Moonlight for my Kuki. I got Xiphos Moonlight as well as PJC and since then it was held by my Nilou but now it's held by my Furina. It may not be the BiS for anyone really, but its a great enough placeholder for many characters. You're a hp scaling dps/sub dps? - here's a 20% hp boost and a fxck ton of crit rate. You're an atk scaling dps/sub dps? - here's some atk and a fxck ton of crit rate. You're an hp scaling support? - here's 20% hp boost. One way or another, most sword users can find uses on any of the things this sword gives. Other than EM scalers or ER hungry ones of course. But those are weapons types that you can easily get. EM? craftable weapons like Iron Sting will be good enough. ER hungry? Fav is easy to get and is just the best at that. TLDR; even if you lose to this sword in a 50/50, you're not really losing.
6:27 "you pull for weapons for the character, not characters for the weapon" me who pulled ayato now because i lost to haran when trying to pull for raiden weapon way back patch 3.3
havent taken skyward spine off shenhe since i got it. the high base attack and er is so nice! esp since i play cryo carries that dont actually need fav to charge their bursts (wriothesley and chongyun). and since its good on raiden and xiangling too, i feel its underrated. skyward blade is so nice when you have only one fav and multiple sword characters that need er. the base atk is high enough for bennett and you get a crap ton of er. still waiting on skyward harp tho…
@@Ew-wth true, but 674 is still the second highest base attack which is still very valuable, esp when only two weapons in the game have a base attack of 741 (calamity queller and song of broken pines), so i dont mind trading some base attack for energy recharge
PJWS and Harp are the best because they are usually positioned between the best 5star and the best f2p option for many characters. there might be f2p or 4star options that are better than them for some characters, but those weapons are usually not shareable between many characters the way these 2 weapons are.
I pulled Aquila just recently, and I was kinda happy about giving it to my Bennett... until i realized i already have an Alley Flash (don't ask, it was a long time ago), so i did some calcs to compare and it seems like Aquila would be only about a 4% increased damage on my Xiangling... i was not happy about the results.
Its the way he compaired Amos and other 5 star weapons to each other to determine how useful/valuable said weapon would be for a character but by that same logic why would you use Aquila if Mistsplitter exist not only does it have the same base attack as Aquila but an INFINITELY better passive that can be used on damn near every sword character. You could even make the argument that Skyward Blade is better because sure it may not have a higher base attack for Bennett but its still higher than all of his 4 star options outside of alley flash which is gacha exclusive anyway and has a high ER stat that he can make use of for instructors, writing off players who dont have a good instructor set to talk about why Aquilia is better doesnt seem fair tbh.
The context of the tier list is just off in general. Would really see this as more 'The game dropped a five star weapon onto either as a weapon banner loss or just via your acquaint fates, what should you do with it? How sad should you be?" People generally aren't pulling for these weapons specifically, they're generally a consolation prize. Would have preferred which standard weapons worth investing if they drop into lap?
Never seen someone cope so hard to put a weapon with the most useless substat and the most useless passive at God tier just becauae it made the one only character to give 90 more atk ish to the teammate (compared to skyward blade which has energy rechagre). Most weapon banners nowaday no longer feature standard weapon so almost every 5 star standard weapons people have are from standard banner and off rate so most people almost never "pull for the characters" except if you played in the first year of the game. They just get it because god of gacha want them to. Therefore standard weapon tierlist should be accounted for how universal it is to use, even when it's not their BiS, but they are still better than most 4 stars option. For me, my GOAT standard weapon would be jade wing spear, it is my first weapon that i got as an off rate, and i just so happen to have Xiao too. But then Hutao came out and i liked her playstyle more so i gave her JWS and she was one of my best DPS. After then i pulled for her C1 and Homa so now the JWS belongs to Xiangling (i'm too lazy to fish for the catch anyway) which is my point for how universal the JWS is, and it is also aplicable for harps, lost player (used to be bad since there were only Klee but now more DPS that can use this) because crit stat is super good for most dps characters, that they are better than 90% of 4 stars wp and can compete for signature as a good stat stick.
Jws is similar to 4* options which makes me really bleh to me, it's worse than dragonsbane on hutao kdjxksnx I agree aquila is dogshit but the real best 5* is Skyward harp, being constantly comparable to BiS signature bows for their characters (Childe, Yoimiya, etc) with an extremely universal passive
Harp is the best. Wolves, Jade spear and Amos are good if you play an on field dps for those weapons. Skyward blade just sucks, the pipe gives more ER and is free from fishing. Atlas in a post Furina world is actually pretty good and garbage without her.
@@mishkaxp8 BasedMan Aquilla Bennett is giga cringe, i hecking love spending more time on Bennett than my on field just get his burst One might say ackthually Aquilla's extra base ATK is better for Bennett, to that i say *KILL*
@@tenderandmoist5011 with maidens and c2 active my skyward bennett has 330er, one yelan e is enough to give him like 80% of his burst back lmao. fuck funneling
@@tenderandmoist5011 I've been using alley flash for a long time and have 0 issues getting his burst back. I just look for er subs since it's the only thing he cares about anyway.
Fishing is not free. You have to pay with your sanity, also, your self respect if you have to spend hours trying to get ppl in co-op to let you fish. Like I might have done.
other than Aquila being too high and Skyward Spine too low, I mostly agree with this one. It's worth mentioning that Skyward Spine performs comparatively better than The Catch in Raiden teams where you don't use Bennett. I mostly play Raiden Taser at this point. But my GOAT is probably Lost Prayers because it's a good stat stick that also feels great in overworld, I'm a simp for anything that lets you go fast.
Bro keeps yapping about fav like everyone has 4+ R5 fav weapons of all kinds. 3 years playing this game and I only have 2 fav lances, which is specially painful considering how many polearm characters actually want fav, SS would do wonders for me really And the downplay of Harp and PJWS is bizzarre considering the crit substats, having a big base atk weapon with crit to help with the rng hell of trying to get crit substat rolls always feels invaluable to me
If i had gotten skyward blade before aquilla i would have never leveled aquilla for Bennett if i already had skyward because the extra attack doesn't seem worth it over the er. But because i got aquilla before it ill never level it because that just means my aquilla goes to no one.
I love spine on cyno because it gives a bunch a different stats and he uses them all really well. high base atk is good, er is good because i don't use other electro, atk speed is great, 8% crit rate not bad, and the dmg passive can be consistently used. ik jade is better for him but I don't have it and spine is honestly putting in work.
I use skyward pride on my Itto because it completely fixed his ER issues (no albedo) and the damage difference from my blackcliff was not that big, now he doesn't feel dogshit to play anymore
Lmao this dude tries so hard to be a contrarian simply for contrarian's sake. Aquila Favonia is horrible. Yes it could be a base attack stat stick on one character, but the passive is absolutely useless and it offers no energy. I would much rather use skyward blade on Bennet and take the slight hit to the buff than to use Aquila. Skyward Harp is the best 5 star standard weapon and it's not close. Its usually within the top 5 weapon of all these characters: Ganyu, Fischl, Linney, Kujou Sara, Childe, Yoimiya, Tighnari ect.
Skyward Harp is realistically only a worthwhile upgrade on Childe and maybe Lyney. For Fischl it's barely better than Stringless, and for everyone else: Yoimiya, Ganyu, Tighnari a 4 or even 3 star weapon can be better (Yoimiya and Tighnari = Stringless, Ganyu = P. Crescent or Mouun's Moon Freeze/Hamayumi or Crescent Melt). The thing about Aquila is that it maximizes Bennett's attack buff, and no other weapon beats it so you will always have a use for it since everyone owns Bennett and he gets played a lot. For other characters you may always have a chance of replacing a standard weapon since there almost always is a better limited weapon. An account that pulls a lot of limited weapons will eventually have Harp, Lost Prayer, etc., catching dust whilst Aquila has a good chance of still being used.
@@aerohydra3849 Harp is definitely an upgrade to all those characters. Again, harp is usually always within the top 5 weapons of attack scaling bow dps characters, and even when beaten out, it usually isn't by much. Stringless is definitely not better than Harp on Tighnari or Yoimiya and is only comparable to Harp in Fischl aggregate, where both are top 5 options. Outside of aggregate teams Stringless is strictly worse than Harp on Fischl, especially with the Golden troupe set. For Ganyu, she has some 4 star weapons that outperform Harp, but they outperform harp so slightly that it does not matter, they are all close to her bid in performance, but the 4 stars have restrictions like getting a weak point shot for example, and you need to get billets to get them to r5 first for them to even be comparable. Harp works unconditionally, and is a top pick at r1. Aquila does nothing for Bennet but maximizes his buff. You don't think an account that pulls limited 5 star weapons won't possibly have Mistsplitter or Skyward Blade? Both which are far better 5 star options for Bennett. It is much more likely that your Aquila will be gathering dust before a weapon like Harp, that is useful for many different characters and most likely even more characters in the future.
@@jy1178 sorry I misspoke, I meant Slingshot and not Stringless, but Slingshot is def better than Harp for Yoimiya, I know that. As for Mist, well unless you have r5 it’s better to just put Mist on someone else than replace Aquila. And blade is strictly worse from a dps perspective if you have enough er already which is possible even without an er sub weapon.
Bruh Aquila is only good for Bennett, physical kequing ( who plays that now ?) And maybe carry jean ( Fav is better) it's a trash weapon. Primodial jade winged spear and lost prayer is a great stat stick ( help you manage crit stats ) skyward blade is actually good because of ER ( use it on a attack scaling ER hungry character ) skyward polearm is copium.
Puts Aquila BiS because only works on Bennett. Puts Skyward Pride in Low Tier because only works on Eula. The Tone-Deaf One-Sideness of Zajeff as of late has been astonishing...
@@aerohydra3849 That's not the point, the point is that if Aquila is good on his eyes because its somewhat useful on HIS Bennet AND JUST HIS BENNET, then Skyward Pride is also somewhat useful on Eula AND JUST EULA.
I don't like him choosing Aquila as the best wep bc it really isn't, oh no 91 atk buff less than skyward blade for 55% ER??? I think the real goat is harp
As a F2P, my 3 skyward harps will never be refined and NEVER will be, I use it on Childe, other one with Ganyu, and the other one will be in the corner waiting for Lyney lmao.
Now I think you're just being a contrarian now man. Skyward harp and PWJS is such a good all around weapon. If not the best at the very least better than Aquila.
Best thing about Skyward Spine is that I can slap it on Shenhe permanently, and I don't have to choose who will get Fav when I want to play freeze team (this is just how I cope with my luck).
Skyward Blade > Aquila Favonia since it gives Bennet pretty decent ATK plus a lot of ER allowing us to get an HP piece to pair Bennet with Furina better and no i refuse to use another healer until an Electro that heals the whole team comes out i might consider it then or why Cloud Retainer depending on her kit and if she buffs my Anemo Main of choice
It even goes against his personal philosophy, skyward blade is only like a microscopic amount lower in exchange for being 100% sure bennett bursts every rot
zajoof: known favonius weapon propagandist aquila favonia: only standard 5 star with "fav" in its name zajoof: ranks aquila #1 COINCIDENCE??? I think not!
To me harp very good (Fishl, tignari) aquila good (Benny) atlas good (wanderer) pride decent (Beidou) pjws fine (now 2 unused, on raiden before el, on burst Zhongli)
actually pjws helped me more than aquila favonia to 36* on abyss i used it on raiden and hutao, ive only had 36* after i get pjws and its after the aquila. i think zajeff here is kinda biased here cuz hes really like bennet. pjws really wins i think cuz u can use it on muliple chara even its not the best in slots as f2p that didnt pull that much on weapon banner to got "best in slots weapon".
That initial Zajeff WGS Eula take so idiotic. It boggles my mind that he can't consider that you can be in aoe situations, hit a squishier enemy proc it and get the proc for the tankier enemy. he's so caught up in spewing garbage, and shitting on Eula that the most outlandish and negative scenario came to his mind first.
Noelle is fine with Skyward Pride. And now that her value went up with Furina, I think Pride's stock went up as well. It's still not great or anything, but I don't think that was addressed.
I got 4 5* weapon from standard banner, which I have permanent users for them so I don't consider any of them useless, unless I got a copy. Skyward blade (used to be benny's until I got aquila, now belongs to Djinn) Aquila (Benny) Skyward Pride (Ella) Skyward spine (Shenhe, fav is limited and more important for other characters)
Without a doubt SkyHarp is much better than every other standard weapon. Aquila is literally only for the most boring meaningless character in the game, who loses relevancy over time. SkyHarp works on pretty much every Archer in the game.
It's not even your weird Bennett take that makes that take valid, it's just that Aquila is just mid~a skyward blade sidegrade in general, and that there's no scenario where 91 flat attack vs Skyward Blade is worth risking not being able to rotate every rotation. Skyward blade is just better for most teams except Raiden National, but even then, you're not going to cry over ~2% less dmg
I'd kinda disagree since if you use fav on bennet you're trolling him (unless you're like ar 30 and lack er), but yeah I could see jade winged spear a tier higher.
I hate Aquila. It's a physical damage sword made for on-fielders. There literally isn't a character in the game that properly fits that role unless you wanna cope and play phys Keqing or something. The only reason people use it is as a stat stick on Bennett, and even that feels terrible because both the substat *and* the passive are absolutely useless for him, it's literally only for the high base atk if so. Even then I would still rather take Skyward Blade on Bennett in that case, at least that has usable effects and stats for an ever so slightly smaller burst buff. Sapwood Blade is also fine. The only saving grace it has is that it's a standard weapon, so at least you can get it as a freebie unlike Mistsplitter on him
I've got two of every standard weapon except for bow and greatsword weapons. From Aqua & skyward sword, both catalyst, Xiao spear, and skyward spear. Mind you all by accident btw.
I hard disagree. Standard weapons you dont choose and the way you rank this weapons should be how it affects a character vs their 4 star weapon counterpart. Bennett with Aquila is barely better than the thousands of other options you have for bennett vs Xiao with Jade vs Xiao with his BIS 4 star. I think Zajeff really dropped the ball on this one.
i feel like most if not all of standard waepon have its uses. and i wish every *5 i got from standard banner is waepon tbh, and it gets better with refines
Most of them are cope now even with Furina`s buff, Marechaussee Hunter and you remove Bennett The Fontaine craftables at R5 are insane and can replace the standard ATK% weapons The 3 crit weapons are good if you get them on accident, but not worth wishing for lol
He's a fake Bennett salesman because dude thinks he's permanently glued to Xiangling when Skyward Blade gives only like ~91 flat atk at worst (on crown) less for a whopping 55% ER!!! There's teams where his ER reqs spike to 280+, I mean he sells fav because of the ER, but now all of a sudden a wep is in between the mathematical best and the most convenient for ER and someone that's worse? Don't get me started on not putting harp on goat as if it's not basically a free clone of Polar Star/Thundering Pulse for 90% of characters
3:22 this timestamp is iconic as well as what he says in it... Because I did "chamber 3" of the abyss, in "22 seconds" with klee. The team was, klee, xiangling, nahida and bennett.
To be honest, I think primordial jade spear is the worst weapon for a non Xiao user. Maybe on cyno it's pretty good. And it's skewed because I lost neuvi weapon to homa. And I don't necessarily like polearm characters. But the biggest polearm characters like xiangling and Raiden, only get a 1-2% DPS increase over the catch. And I don't think it'd be that good on hutao tbh
why would you need fav on raiden? she gives so much energy to the whole team unless your other characters have literally 0 ER sub stats. i just feel like fav would be over kill.
The main issue wiht Skyward Spine is that almost no Polearm Characters remain on field to use their normal attacks, Xiao would've been a great option, if not for the fact that you want to be pogo stick jumping on him. Hu Tao wants to be charging through. THis is honestly terrible character design, to focus your character only on Charged attacks or only on Plunge attacks.
Aquila's healing IS very useful. I've been main Keqing for years, and as a f2p, Aquila is my only 5* weapon. While Lion's Roar damage is for sure higher, just the comfort of having the healing is worth the dps loss
@@faisal_ahmed5256 It's better with Furina in the team and generally good if we ever were to get anything that required solo character 'teams', but like... we don't have that. I really hope we get a sword user who is physical though, would love to use my Aquila there.
zaj missed with this one, normally i agree or am indifferent to his opinions, but this one is just wrong. you dont pick which standard wep you get, you get it while trying to get something else and cope with it (unless its pjws for xiao i guess). feel like he shouldve ranked it by how useful they are for stand ins if you don't have the bis like, not everyone has multiple copies of favge laying around they can use for every character.. how long has he been trying to get a favge sword now and regret refining it?
seems a little more personal tier list for zajeff but the discussion was good my tierlist would be- harp, pjws, lost prayer atlas, spine wgs, amos, aquilla, skyword blade pride crit batchest
My last two 5* weapons from standart is the second Amos and the second Sacred Winds, and I am going mentally insane, because I just want a bow for 4* that is not the stringless, and Skyward Blade just so that Lumine would look cool lol
I think context matters a lot here. WGS is no where near as good as Skyward Harp on paper. But the difference is that Skyward Harp has a ton of competition and arguably is not even in the top five DPS bows. Meanwhile all the claymores except Beacon suck but no one can even get Beacon anymore so WGS is already one of the best. If you're building any claymore DPS then WGS is a go-to. Also Skyward Spine is part of the ER substat "why use this when favge/sac exist" weapon group but considering how sac polearm doesn't exist and favge polearm has hella low ER substat as well as how rare ER on a polearm is, Skyward Spine is actually not that bad. I would put WGS in "good stat stick" and skyward spine in "fine" even though other weapon types with similar passives like Skyward Atlas and Skyward Pride would rank lower for me.
I think could be easier to Zajeff explaining why aquila favonia is good just with " bennett is so versatile and is the highest base atk sword", he tried to overexplain 🤔
I would still disagree. A 15% improvement (if you have alley flash is even lower) on Bennett's burst is much less significant for your account, than getting a good stat stick with CRIT for your main damage dealer.
its still not that much of an improvement compared to 66 crit value like harp and lost prayer, plus weapons like alley flash and sapwood blade are already good f2p options for bennett
@@italomorais9424 I think the main reason why is because you dont need to pull for standard weapons, eventually you will get aquila and for your main dps you could prioritize pulling his signature if you wanna maximize team damage. Overall you will use bennett a lot more than all main dps and i think that makes a lot of difference rating.
@@guilhermeferreiraherrera9629 I can understand, I think like you. But Zajef himself is totally against pulling for weapons. So, for him to put a weapon that's just a 15% increase in Bennett's burst from a sapwood blade(which has a useful substat and a somewhat useful passive) above weapons that are the only means for him to give CRIT weapons for his main DMG dealears. It just sounds so weird.
It's not actually bc she herself is Fav and her teams are usually centralized in giving her dmg stats as she's usually the strongest unit dmg wise in any given team with her Just get the catch
my top 3 Aquila is the best I agree cos Beny is the Best. Lost players 10 % movement speed is goat in overwolrd + good on carries. Skyward blade is second best option for Beny and very good on Ayato cos you do need the ER to burst consistenly or I use it on MC cos its looks cool and even when their bursts are rly bad they do need the ER again.
It’s rare to see Zajef coping this hard about his initial choice.
The jadewing downplay is crazy.
dude puts his first 5* weapon as first place and refuses to realise he is biased as fuck xD
"you pull weapons for the characters" nobody pulls for standard weapons. You just get them and cope with it.
facts bro
I would if you could, standard banner characters are worthless
It really does sound like he's trying his best to justify pulling for Aquila. Aquila over Skyward Bennet for a Catch XL is about ~10.6% ATK substat for her. Not bad, but it definitely doesn't fall under GOAT territory. It's also equivalent to a smaller ATK% bonus for characters + weapons with higher base ATK, XL is probably one of the more generous cases. Plenty of other weapons on the list have a far higher team damage increase than Aquila on Bennet. PJWS on an appropriate carry for instance.
The real quote is "you pull weapons for characters and then you get a standard one that's useless"
@@dannylee1523 yep. I would rather have a spare CRIT statstick, than a just slightly better Bennett buff.
"Nobody pulls for weapons wothout knowing what characters they're gonna use them on."
*proceeds to talk about standard weapons*
Man I am so happy standard banner actually lets you pick what weapon you get
@@killingtime8652 what?
@@TheLionFireGodit's a joke
@@killingtime8652so true!!!!😍😍😍i love getting the characters that i actually want on standard and not my 4th mona🥰🥰🥰
I get what he means by that, you have to think about it from a content creator POV, with people that ask questions like, "just got x weapon from standard or losing 75/25 on weapon banner, who should I put it on?"
The answer you shouldn't double down and pull for a character you don't want just to use a weapon you don't want.
Zajef has hot takes which is fine but this has to be like one of those dumpster fire takes. I think it’s a classic case of being attached to what you have the most experience with which is fine because it is after all his opinion- It’s not a theory crafting tier list rather more of in the line of he’s had Aquila the longest and used it extensively so that’s probably why he ranks it so high. Lost prayer was my first 5 star weapon and I would also rank it pretty high even though it’s probably not as great as I might think
Most of his videos recently feel like they're delusional obsessions with Bennett. Like, he knocked Ningguang several notches in a recent video about Geo DPS because he claims a C6 Crit Bennett would outweigh the damage contribution that Ningguang can provide, and now here Aquila Favonia is #1 GOAT because it's useful on Bennett.. Idk what this man's obsession with Bennett is but holy fuck it's getting annoying.
Dude is upseting that he was using the logic "yeah Aquila is S tier because Bennett (1 Character) just use it as a stat stick". And then for Jade spear he goes "I don't know... its not that good, it only works on Xiao and thats one character".
Nobody pulls for standard banner weapons. So the best standard banner weapon is the one that works FINE on the most characters. The one that if you get, you can spread it around nicely until you actually pull on the weapon banner to replace it.
I literally only use Aquila on Qiqi and for Bennett I use either Sumeru craftable or the Alley Flash for base ATK
Yeah the Aquila take is either super biased or in bad faith. Only Bennett wants it sumeru Craftable is super good on Bennett and if u have the alley flash or any other high base atk weapon u are barely getting an increase from it and the passive argument has to be a meme
@Larrytherat It was an incredibly biased and trash take. The best 5 star weapon pulls have always been weapons that work on more characters and not fewer
@@fightorflight2279it's litteraly the same as saying Amos bow is goat because it (was) bis on ganyu, if no one except her can use it, then it's not a good weapon to get
@@xehant7319 It's also good for Tighnari and Lyney, no?
Aquila on qiqi? That asin, sac sword best for her
Harp and lost prayer are the best hands down. You can slot those 2 on so many characters and they'll be better than any F2P option almost always.
Lost prayer is underrated because it's been dogshit for such a long time, but now you can slot it on wanderer, neuvillette, rizzly, hell even klee is good now with furina.
Jade spear is also extremely good for xiao and cyno
I always knew lost prayer in itself a weapon is very good. It just took a long time for hoyoverse to have an actual dps catalyst. Even then, most crit substat 5 star weapons are always valid dps boost for supports. But involving catayst support characters, it doesnt compete with TTDS since most of them dont do dmg.
I agree with Zajef on Aquila. that was my first 5 star and Beny signature. The amount of times Beny didnt die is quite a significant buff. Also now it sinergyzes with Furina XD
@@ixirion It's good on bennett, but it's not that much better than the alternatives to warrant putting it over harp or lost prayer, which work well on so many characters.
I also don't remember the last time i died on bennett, and i'm using him on alley flash.
@@kingdoom5022it’s also good on raiden. I’ve gotten better results with it than the catch
For the first time I got to disagree almost completly with Zajef. Jadewing is awesome on Xiao and Cyno (Staff of Homa is better, yeah, pull on weapon banner then), I rather use Skyward Blade on bennet (much more energy efficient, GL getting Energy/HP on Aquilla). Harp is super flexible, works in almost every bow character (maybe not BiS but why generics characters are good and an generic weapon is bad?). Skyward Spine is an second catch. Not even mentioning on "You pull on weapons for characters" talking about Standard Weapons.
Exactly literally almost all the rankings in here are wrong , also skyward blade allow Bennett to run instructor which is huge DPS gain for reactions teams
Also skyward spine is better than the catch , its top tier for xianling and raiden but also for shenhe
so true for the first time i feel like zajefs not a reliable theorycrafter cause what is this tier list💀
Yeah i went back to check Zyox and has more "favorable" personally on tier list. I dont mind his opinion since he usually composes teams that splits dmg and not heavy single investment which is fair. His perception with weapons is how it contributes for the 4 party composition with supports doing off field dmg or elemental reaction dmg. Understandably many would miss his point since he considers rotation uptime more valuable.
@@kingdoom5022don't know about shenhe, but for Raiden or xiangling it's strictly worse than the catch. Granted you can't have 2 catches but primordial is better on Raiden anyways
One of the few times I hard disagree with Zajeff, Aquila is a fine weapon if bennet is key to your account. Harp and lost prayers are definitely better because they make building stats much more comfortable and it’s just a big stat stick that can’t do any bad. If a weapon is great on lots of characters, imo it’s goated af.
Harp being good is so based, BiS other than sometimes elegy on Sara, very good on ganyu, the extra crit damage helps it outperform BiS 4*s easily across the board, BIG FAN
Indeed, I think Harp is the greatest standard banner weapon. It is because it is good on a LOT of characters. While Bennett benefits from Aquila a lot it is not like it is a huge power spike even when accounting for multiple characters getting buffed from it. Harp however can be very good on a dps bow character. I would rather have a Harp on a bow dps rather than an Aquilla on Bennett. Bennett could just use Sapwood Blade. What are the 4 star bows you can put on bow dps characters? Not many good choices here.
It doesn't outpreform 4 stars for all characters, and a couple prefer amos but it indeed overall does well. I'd say Amos is almost always better on Ganyu, in Melt it is better and in Freeze Skyward's only better if you literally only have crit damage rolls with how easy it will be to over cap crit.
@@twigz3214 Amos is worse in Morgana but better in Melt. So I do not think it is almost always. It depends on the team you are using. You are not forced to use Blizzard Strayer if you are overcapping on crit that much.
You’re even more BASED because you have Gilgamesh as your pfp.
@@AzureDrag0n1 amos will certainly be better than harp on ganyu... only if u artifact is near god tier.
It mostly depends on artifact for this one.. even on freeze amos can be better. But all theory crafting and calculations assuming ur artifact got around 30cv or 25cv.. im not sure. But this makes the most crit based weapon shine.. it is easy to build a gud CRCD ratio with them.
Mine ganyu CRCD 69 222 with amos. And im prefer amos.. no matter melt or freeze.. and dmg is better.
But if im ult spam support ganyu.. i will use harp.
But let be honest.. even on melt.. tighnari signature is the best one on ganyu with benny att buff.
Yelan signature also pretty stonk on ganyu freeze and it is much easier to build.. but guess if u got amos and harp only.. u can experiment with them and see which is better.
Aquila's worth is base on how much of a big deal bennett is in your account. However, as time goes by we can see bennett will start to lose steam the more we get characters like furina that doesn't scale with atk. Additionally skyward blade having ER can be a lifesaver for people that don't have the artifacts that have enough ER. Aquila is 100% a cope ass take, I see more value in 5* standard crit weapons because crit is a harder stat to get than more healing and ER. A skyward harp literally is worth 60 CV last time I check and that can be a big deal for people that likes to play a character but don't have the crit because then it can be use by most dps that likes crit.
Bennet actually is one of the best synergies with furina cause he heals alot and buffs a lot of dmg. OP
@@chronopolize_jp is he? Bennet only heals an on fielder and even than only to 70% their HP, not even a full heal. He can work with Furina but he is not the best option like you claim him to be
@@ihatemondays9428One of Hu Tao's best teams now is her/Furina/Yelan/Bennett. If your onfielder can use Bennett then he's good in Furina teams. From what I know, you build him for as much healing as possible and just do a bit more swapping.
@@ngeorge9673 again, is he? Sure, Bennet gives massive atk buff and Pyro Resonance, but the tradeoff is that you need to swap to utilise Furina's buff and even than Bennet can't heal past 70% of HP. By the time Bennet heals, teammates HP will be drained by Furina's Salon members. Better alternative would be Jean. Teamwide instant heal that will proc Furina's buff to the maximum, 40% Elemental Resistance shred not only for Hu Tao but Yelan and Furina as well
@@ihatemondays9428I mean Jstern literally did calcs on it. Hu Tao's best team that uses Furina has Bennett in it. Jean is the second best and obviously more comfortable. If you build Bennett for healing, then he can heal past the 70% point a lot of the time. That's not a hard limit. Bennett heals a lot when built for healing.
Skyward blade is underrated , its the strongest weapon on Bennett on my opinion cause the ER , its also extremely good with xingqiu and one of the best options for jean which is a very good unit after furina
I agree. My bennet has 280% er because of skyward blade and the base atk is good too. I can now battery my entire national team and I can use an em timepiece on xiangling or something like that.
@@quetzelquillzbennet ER does not make Xiangling charge energy faster. I think you mistaken with Favonious weapons.
@@rewer Favonius has the lowest base atk for a 4 star weapon. Using it on Bennett isn't worth it. Just use a higher base atk weapon on him and build a little bit more ER on Xiangling. She also benefits from higher ER thanks to the Emblem set. Using Skyward Blade allows Bennett to use a full dmg build too, so I agree with the OP here that skyward blade is his strongest weapon. It gives high amounts of ER, the second highest base atk of all the 5 star swords and somewhat useful passive.
@@rewer good to know, thank you. Should I build less ER on Bennet then?
@@quetzelquillz No, Bennett still wants as much ER as possible since generally it's the only stat that matters to him and you're better off not needing to battery him at all.
Character's ER doesn't affect the other character's energy generation. You still need enough ER on Xiangling (around 200) despite your Bennett having high ER.
Yeah Zajef missed with this one. Putting Aquila as the goat because it's really good on Bennet and arguing that a weapon only needs to be really good on one character to be amazing, just to drop Jade-Winged Spear down to "fine" specifically because of the lack of users is contradictory.
No one pulls for standard weapons, you just get them, so they should be ranked based on how useful they are as stand-ins for characters whose BIS weapons you don't have. And in that regard, I think all of the Skywards do a pretty solid job.
How in the world is that a contradiction in the slightest?
Aquila is really good on one versatile character. PJWS is really good on one not versatile at all character and someone nobody plays.
Therefore, Aquila is used in lots of teams. PJWS is used in Xiao-focused teams.
Lots > Few.
@@shoppingforleaves3162 the point remains the same. In their own words: "No one pulls for standard weapons, you just get them," so judging based on their performance for a single character (even if that one character is versatile) isn't an accurate judgement. It's just judging that one character's performance instead of judging the weapon's performance.
Objectively speaking, Aquila Favonia isn't that good except for on Bennett, and even then that's only because it has high base attack; therefore, it is a trash weapon. PJWS is a good stat stick at the very least because it gives crit rate and high base attack. The best weapon on standard banner is most likely skyward harp, as it is a huge stat stick and a great option for most bow characters. The other skyward weapons aren't very bad either tbh; they're not perfect, but they're still pretty versatile.
@@randomperson8375 The weapon's performance is the performance of a single character if that's the only character it's good on, especially when said character is a 4 star everyone has 15 copies of.
If you made a list of 1000 people's abyss teams, more would benefit from pulling Aquila than PJWS because more use Bennett than use Xiao and Cyno. Therefore, in the only content whose difficulty matters, pulling Aquila would be more valuable than pulling PJWS.
I have both, only one gets used and it's not the spear. PJWS is second or third best choice on a bunch of characters but when the first choice is a fishing weapon, or a 4 star, it's a pointless weapon. I would have been better off not using the crystals to level PJWS.
@@shoppingforleaves3162 PJWS is still better imo because it gives more than just high base attack and is more versatile than Aquila. The crit rate it gives is good for any polearm character, so even if said character can't make best use of its passive it's still getting 44 crit value from using it.
Aquila only really works on Bennett because all it has going for it is its high base attack, and most people are still going to find Skyward Blade more useful for Bennett since it gives ER. Aquila's passive and secondary stat are pretty much useless on most characters, whereas Skyward's are actually useful for most sword characters.
And again, even if we completely disregard PJWS from this discussion, Skyward Harp is still far better than either option and can be put to great use on just about every bow character in the game. There really is no comparison between Aquila and Skyward Harp because Harp is leagues ahead of it thanks to its whopping 64 crit value and high base attack.
@@shoppingforleaves3162 aquila only gives 130 more attack buff than sapwood blade which is already a f2p option for bennett while having a good amount of er. Keep in mind that you will hit 3k attack with Bennett so thats only 4% damge increase on a character that is on field or snapshottable characters and you will have er problems when you dont have noblesse with high er subs. And this gap further decrease on a weapon like alley flash. Yes its very good on Bennett but its not a massive enough boost for a single character to be a goat
Aquila Favonia best? Lmao bruh.. unironically one of Zajef's worst takes. It's kinda weird you would rank a weapon lower just cause you personally don't have anyone you'd use it on. Skyward Harp is a strong stat stick for any dps bow character, not just Fischl. Whereas Aquila Favonia is only good on Bennett and even then Fav and Sapwood exist.
Is there literally anyone other than Bennett who uses Aquila these days? I don't even use Bennett much these days
@@valk5041 Physical keqing/kayea. LMAO
@@italomorais9424 physical keqing is not real LMAO
@@MrGshinobibefore dendro release it was real!
right now? it was myth lmao
@@valk5041
Aquila i think top 3 weapons for ayaka , also since furina release its extremely good for healer jean
"You pull weapons for the character"
That's the best weapon for Bennett = Goat
That's the best weapon for Xiao = It's okay
its even funnier when he proceeds to say that Aquila is not worse by only being used on bennet, but Jade is not that good by not having many spear carries, like???? does it matter or not that can be used in one or more character(s).
he values off field supports/dps more than onfield driver or dps, with xiao you're stuck with specific teams but with benny, oh boy
@@74z9 true, i also rather off-field units or weapons that enhance them, but i see a bigger value in 5 weapons who can be more universal and even more when the support/off field options are bigger than the on field ones.
@@74z9 aquila only gives 130 more attack buff than sapwood blade which is already a f2p option for bennett while having a good amount of er. Keep in mind that you will hit 3k attack with Bennett so thats only 4% damge increase on a character that is on field or snapshottable characters and you will have er problems when you dont have noblesse with high er subs. And this gap further decrease on a weapon like alley flash. Yes its very good on Bennett but its not a massive enough boost for a single character to be a goat
@@keikaku5421you just only care for ER stat for bennett, nothing else. And you will get his ER requirement eventually, even if the weapon don't have secondary ER stat on it
aint no way he just put aquila God tier but jade spear on fine LMFAO
Zagef is coping hard: “the healing from Aquila…”
this tier list is insane what am i looking at
I have to hard disagree with you on Aquila. The weapon is trash sure it’s high base attack for bennett but skyward blade has ER and a good base attack as well. I think sapwood blade is a better choice for bennett then Aquila and let’s be real Aquila is only used for bennett. The passive is also pretty useless if that heal really mattered I think skill issue considering bennett just heals himself with burst which you will be getting more often with a weapon with ER substat then running Aquila just saying.
Aquilla is literally only like 100 extra attack over Skyward Blade. Zajef trippin smh
@@MrcreeperDXD777100 atk is a pretty significant amount
@@marielcarey4288
Not really , your main DPS with Bennett probably goes from 3100 to 3000 , not that big DPS loss
@@kingdoom5022 yeah, some characters can get even higher. Hu tao is often played with Bennett on speedruns comps, and Hu tao with homa by Herself can already hit around 3.5k ATK even before Bennett's burst.
That's why you see many use alley flash on Bennett just to lower the team's cost.
@@marielcarey4288It's not 100 atk, you cabbage.
It's a 66 atk difference (608 vs 674). A 66 atk difference isn't worth for a colossal 55% ER loss
Rational weapon calcs from Zajef from a year ago:
Jade (7 stacks) - 102%
Skyward - 96%
Jade (1 stack) - 92%
Fav - 82%
(% of the Catch)
Then Jade is only about as good as Spine since you don't start with 7 stacks.
Still, downplaying Skyward spine seems kinda dumb to begin with considering its used in a team that's easy to learn and deals good damage. It honestly just feels like too much bias to what's good on his account.
@@danielvicol3992 probably because he doesn't pull for 5 star weapons and plays a lot of dank teams without hyper carries
@@alexanderginger754 I also don't pull for 5* weapons and dislike hypercarries (i haven't pulled for a single one unless you consider c0 raiden a carry) but I'd still take jadewing, skyward harp, or any of the catalysts before aquila. He's right in that for bennett it's amazing but there's no way it's better than all the other standard weapons. At least he made it clear at the end his tier list is biased
why do you dislike hypercarries?
@@alexanderginger754 Just personal preference, im not a fan of the "everyone in the team buffs one unit and that unit does 90% of the damage" playstyle. I much prefer reaction based teams (hyperbloom, quicken, taser, whatever national variants are)
NGL the Aquila cope is real here
Raiden will get my r2 skyward spine & OPPA already have R5 catch. I'm happy with this
I'm just waiting my r2 spine. freaking OPPA needs 15843 ER so I can use her every rotation
Raiden with dragonsbane>
A bit weird how Aquila is the GOAT because Bennett is versatile, but Skyward Spine all the way at the bottom despite Raiden also being somewhat versatile
Raiden is nowhere near Bennett’s level of versatile.
- Raiden, while have some support utility, is still an on-field DPS first and foremost. what she provide is something that other character can also provide. Bennett is Bennett.
- if Raiden is as versatile as Bennett. then she would have so many team except that she doesn’t. sure, you can slot her in many team but how good would that team be though ? if you don’t care about optimal play, then literally any character is as versatile as each other.
@@nanathedelta8561You're right. Coz Bennett is meaningless and Raiden is goated.
Ei is a battery DPS who can also be a long range Hyperbloom trigger that's better than Shinobu. And will always have relevancy with any and all future characters because you want energy.
Bennett literally doesn't do anything with 99% of the Dendro teams, barely functions with some Fontaine characters like Neuvillette and Furina, and we'll see what future upcoming characters will do with regards to Bennett etc.
Tbh c0 Raiden is not that good these days.
@@KategariYami Except that… Raiden is not really a battery ? I means.. the time you spend on-fielding her means your other character don’t use their skill to generate particles. Raiden just happens to have the ability to compensate that a little bit but nowhere as potent as the actual respective battery.
Sure, you can argue that Raiden will be more relevant because she provide flat energy but how good is the team is a different story. I could also argue the same that Bennett would ALSO be more relevant because 90% of the entire roster are ATK scaler and Bennett will improve literally any ATK scaler. Bennett also have some use in Dendro Archetype, namely Burgeon team and Thunderring Furry. Bennett also work with Furina. yeah, he doesn’t work with Neuvilette but so does Raiden and Beidou. how about that ? Hmmm ?
@@lawfulgoodnun1646 I don’t really agree with that. honestly, It depends on how you define “good”. but like.. in TC community, if it is enough to clear comfortably, then it is good.
People often underestimate C0 Raiden or just straight up using C2 as a benchmark. like.. yeah, literally every character are stronger with constellations but that does not invalidate them at C0 by any mean. I don’t think she is that great but I don’t think she’s not as good as other either. she’s a fine character, in an upper middle meta team. I still play her as a hyper carry time to time but most of the time, she’s a hyperbloom trigger (I have her at C3 but f that, it’s less fun that hyperbloom lmao)
And I think C0 Raiden is perfect for people who want to play hyperbloom. especially Neuvilette hyperbloom with Furina. you don’t have to get up close to enemy like Kuki, It also has an absurd amount of ST DPS and very good AoE DPS.
As a person who actually looks at the numbers my carries do with bennett, Skyward Blade is a better version of Aquila unless you're stacking a lot of pyro particles in your team
L tier list putting one of the most useless weapons up above the real goat, Harp
imo the goat is pjsw
not because its better than harp but because of how there aren't any good f2p main dps polearms for characters like cyno and xiao
while also remaining as a great option for almost any other polearm user
but if we put the 2 weapons in a vacuum than i do agree harp is better
also with sapwood being a free craftable that gives some er, auqilia is actually 2nd the worst weapon imo
(i think amos is worse but idrk much about that weapon so my opinion is subject to change)
Honestly? Skyward Spine.
It was the first one I ever got, right about during the time where I started gearing for abyss for the first time. It helped me enormously, being able to play both Xiangling and Raiden with good weapons. My Raiden has never lost SS since.
TRUE exact same thing happened to me. Got Skyward Spine around the time I got Raiden, enabled me to put Catch on Xiangling and thank fucking god
Eh, if you don't have or use raiden, spine is practically useless. My R3 skyward spine is worse than R5 catch on xiangling, and believe me i tried to cope with it so much. And it's practically useless on everyone else.
my first 3 standard 5 star weapons were 3 skyward spines. Id trade all 3 for a single random other standard weapon. Its so dogshit. Im praying there is going to be a polearm buffer that scales off base atk so atleast it would get some use, but even still fav lance would be very competitive since it has one of the highest base atk for 4 stars and offers utility.
Skyward spine is kinda bad tbh. So many 4 stars are just better then it. The only use I find it for is to give it to shenhe because I have no other 5 star spear.
@@lawfulgoodnun1646 idk I don't have any better weapons than it, other than the Catch obviously but that's on Xiangling.
I also really was answering the question of the title of the video, for me it came at just the right time so it will always be my personal goat haha
I feel like Skyward Harp is now much better for Fischl since the release of the golden troupe set since you will hit diminishing returns at some point with all that Elemental Skill Damage. So the minor crit stats and highest possible base attack on a bow are coming in a little more handy :)
I just got Aquilla on standard banner and uhh .. I don't think I'll even level it. Bigger Bennet buff is nice and all .. but I'd rather have the 46 to 78 ER on him and I hate swapping weapons for specific teams so I'd rather use the one that works on all of em. I also hate wasted passives and that things passives are all but useless.
Sadge no Dehya for my Neuvi.
I think it's worth it. Screws Bennett'a ER hard but WOW it makes his buff extremely noticeable.
I have Mistsplitter which is Bennett's BiS and I still use Fav. It's too annoying when Bennet tries to battery Xiangling and too few particles come out. Rebuilding Bennet for more ER is one thing, but doing so to Xiangling would hurt team damage more than the increase in Bennet's buff
@@SeenE-kg9nj You can rebuild Bennett entirely with as much ER as reasonable, throw a higher base attack weapon with some ER on him (Like Sapwood Blade), and then throw Fav on some other team member for the purpose of more particles (Like XQ/Kazu/Sucrose). Bennett on his own really doesn't do that much damage overall so I like having more snapshot damage on Xiangling given that I can use her burst comfortably. I don't dislike the idea of Fav on Bennett but it always feels like I am missing out on his buff's potential if I do that.
@@aritra2116 My Kazuha is also always on Fav and for same reason. I actually have enough ER rolls to give him an EM weapon, but I don't because I want him to battery even more. Then I usually use either Childe (with FGM) or C1 Yelan (Fav). If I use C1 Yelan, then I switch to Mistsplitter on Bennett (3 Favs is a bit of an overkill)
On the subject of goat 5 star weapons. I find Primordial Jade Cutter to be quite great at just being usuable by pretty much everyone.
I know full well that's it's not a standard banner weapon but it's one of those weapons that you don't exactly intentionally pull for. I pulled mine when I was pulling for the Xiphos Moonlight for my Kuki.
I got Xiphos Moonlight as well as PJC and since then it was held by my Nilou but now it's held by my Furina.
It may not be the BiS for anyone really, but its a great enough placeholder for many characters.
You're a hp scaling dps/sub dps?
- here's a 20% hp boost and a fxck ton of crit rate.
You're an atk scaling dps/sub dps?
- here's some atk and a fxck ton of crit rate.
You're an hp scaling support?
- here's 20% hp boost.
One way or another, most sword users can find uses on any of the things this sword gives.
Other than EM scalers or ER hungry ones of course. But those are weapons types that you can easily get. EM? craftable weapons like Iron Sting will be good enough. ER hungry? Fav is easy to get and is just the best at that.
TLDR; even if you lose to this sword in a 50/50, you're not really losing.
>puts aquilla in S bcs it's good (only) on bennett
>9:31
Also aquilla is leterally a stat stick so why would you not put it in the corresponding tier.
6:27 "you pull for weapons for the character, not characters for the weapon"
me who pulled ayato now because i lost to haran when trying to pull for raiden weapon way back patch 3.3
me pulling a baizhu because of getting 2 donuts before furina's weapon 😅
@@rico4107 im sorry to hear that
Me who pulled on Al haithem because I got lofi for my keqing
I just got the lost prayers today on the standard banner though I would've like my first Mona. As long as I don't get skyward pride I'll be happy.
havent taken skyward spine off shenhe since i got it. the high base attack and er is so nice! esp since i play cryo carries that dont actually need fav to charge their bursts (wriothesley and chongyun). and since its good on raiden and xiangling too, i feel its underrated. skyward blade is so nice when you have only one fav and multiple sword characters that need er. the base atk is high enough for bennett and you get a crap ton of er.
still waiting on skyward harp tho…
I mean it's not the highest base attack, Shenhe's signature has 740 base.
@@Ew-wth true, but 674 is still the second highest base attack which is still very valuable, esp when only two weapons in the game have a base attack of 741 (calamity queller and song of broken pines), so i dont mind trading some base attack for energy recharge
PJWS and Harp are the best because they are usually positioned between the best 5star and the best f2p option for many characters. there might be f2p or 4star options that are better than them for some characters, but those weapons are usually not shareable between many characters the way these 2 weapons are.
I pulled Aquila just recently, and I was kinda happy about giving it to my Bennett... until i realized i already have an Alley Flash (don't ask, it was a long time ago), so i did some calcs to compare and it seems like Aquila would be only about a 4% increased damage on my Xiangling... i was not happy about the results.
Its the way he compaired Amos and other 5 star weapons to each other to determine how useful/valuable said weapon would be for a character but by that same logic why would you use Aquila if Mistsplitter exist not only does it have the same base attack as Aquila but an INFINITELY better passive that can be used on damn near every sword character. You could even make the argument that Skyward Blade is better because sure it may not have a higher base attack for Bennett but its still higher than all of his 4 star options outside of alley flash which is gacha exclusive anyway and has a high ER stat that he can make use of for instructors, writing off players who dont have a good instructor set to talk about why Aquilia is better doesnt seem fair tbh.
The context of the tier list is just off in general. Would really see this as more 'The game dropped a five star weapon onto either as a weapon banner loss or just via your acquaint fates, what should you do with it? How sad should you be?"
People generally aren't pulling for these weapons specifically, they're generally a consolation prize. Would have preferred which standard weapons worth investing if they drop into lap?
Bro is onto nothing 🔥🔥🔥
Never seen someone cope so hard to put a weapon with the most useless substat and the most useless passive at God tier just becauae it made the one only character to give 90 more atk ish to the teammate (compared to skyward blade which has energy rechagre).
Most weapon banners nowaday no longer feature standard weapon so almost every 5 star standard weapons people have are from standard banner and off rate so most people almost never "pull for the characters" except if you played in the first year of the game. They just get it because god of gacha want them to.
Therefore standard weapon tierlist should be accounted for how universal it is to use, even when it's not their BiS, but they are still better than most 4 stars option.
For me, my GOAT standard weapon would be jade wing spear, it is my first weapon that i got as an off rate, and i just so happen to have Xiao too. But then Hutao came out and i liked her playstyle more so i gave her JWS and she was one of my best DPS. After then i pulled for her C1 and Homa so now the JWS belongs to Xiangling (i'm too lazy to fish for the catch anyway) which is my point for how universal the JWS is, and it is also aplicable for harps, lost player (used to be bad since there were only Klee but now more DPS that can use this) because crit stat is super good for most dps characters, that they are better than 90% of 4 stars wp and can compete for signature as a good stat stick.
Jws is similar to 4* options which makes me really bleh to me, it's worse than dragonsbane on hutao kdjxksnx
I agree aquila is dogshit but the real best 5* is Skyward harp, being constantly comparable to BiS signature bows for their characters (Childe, Yoimiya, etc) with an extremely universal passive
Harp is the best. Wolves, Jade spear and Amos are good if you play an on field dps for those weapons. Skyward blade just sucks, the pipe gives more ER and is free from fishing. Atlas in a post Furina world is actually pretty good and garbage without her.
skyward blade is Bennett bis unless you're low er gaming/funneling (cringe), where Mist/Aquila is better
@@mishkaxp8 BasedMan Aquilla Bennett is giga cringe, i hecking love spending more time on Bennett than my on field just get his burst
One might say ackthually Aquilla's extra base ATK is better for Bennett, to that i say *KILL*
@@tenderandmoist5011 with maidens and c2 active my skyward bennett has 330er, one yelan e is enough to give him like 80% of his burst back lmao. fuck funneling
@@tenderandmoist5011 I've been using alley flash for a long time and have 0 issues getting his burst back. I just look for er subs since it's the only thing he cares about anyway.
Fishing is not free. You have to pay with your sanity, also, your self respect if you have to spend hours trying to get ppl in co-op to let you fish. Like I might have done.
Around the time this video was posted, I was able to get Skyward Blade and slapped it right on my Benny over Fav.
other than Aquila being too high and Skyward Spine too low, I mostly agree with this one. It's worth mentioning that Skyward Spine performs comparatively better than The Catch in Raiden teams where you don't use Bennett. I mostly play Raiden Taser at this point.
But my GOAT is probably Lost Prayers because it's a good stat stick that also feels great in overworld, I'm a simp for anything that lets you go fast.
Skyward harp being constantly comparable to limited 5* bow options:
Bro keeps yapping about fav like everyone has 4+ R5 fav weapons of all kinds. 3 years playing this game and I only have 2 fav lances, which is specially painful considering how many polearm characters actually want fav, SS would do wonders for me really
And the downplay of Harp and PJWS is bizzarre considering the crit substats, having a big base atk weapon with crit to help with the rng hell of trying to get crit substat rolls always feels invaluable to me
If i had gotten skyward blade before aquilla i would have never leveled aquilla for Bennett if i already had skyward because the extra attack doesn't seem worth it over the er. But because i got aquilla before it ill never level it because that just means my aquilla goes to no one.
I hope they release a physical carry sword user. It would be amazing to play I'm sure.
I have never really disagreed with Zajef takes, but man do I disagree with this list, at almost every level.
Here we have a footage of zajef being high on ultra copium.
I love spine on cyno because it gives a bunch a different stats and he uses them all really well. high base atk is good, er is good because i don't use other electro, atk speed is great, 8% crit rate not bad, and the dmg passive can be consistently used. ik jade is better for him but I don't have it and spine is honestly putting in work.
i do that with ayaka using skyward blade aswell and it works really well
I use skyward pride on my Itto because it completely fixed his ER issues (no albedo) and the damage difference from my blackcliff was not that big, now he doesn't feel dogshit to play anymore
@@JDavi-nl1rc i do it for eula and navia with my skyward pride and it fits soo well
Lmao this dude tries so hard to be a contrarian simply for contrarian's sake. Aquila Favonia is horrible. Yes it could be a base attack stat stick on one character, but the passive is absolutely useless and it offers no energy. I would much rather use skyward blade on Bennet and take the slight hit to the buff than to use Aquila.
Skyward Harp is the best 5 star standard weapon and it's not close. Its usually within the top 5 weapon of all these characters: Ganyu, Fischl, Linney, Kujou Sara, Childe, Yoimiya, Tighnari ect.
Skyward Harp is realistically only a worthwhile upgrade on Childe and maybe Lyney. For Fischl it's barely better than Stringless, and for everyone else: Yoimiya, Ganyu, Tighnari a 4 or even 3 star weapon can be better (Yoimiya and Tighnari = Stringless, Ganyu = P. Crescent or Mouun's Moon Freeze/Hamayumi or Crescent Melt).
The thing about Aquila is that it maximizes Bennett's attack buff, and no other weapon beats it so you will always have a use for it since everyone owns Bennett and he gets played a lot. For other characters you may always have a chance of replacing a standard weapon since there almost always is a better limited weapon. An account that pulls a lot of limited weapons will eventually have Harp, Lost Prayer, etc., catching dust whilst Aquila has a good chance of still being used.
@@aerohydra3849 Harp is definitely an upgrade to all those characters. Again, harp is usually always within the top 5 weapons of attack scaling bow dps characters, and even when beaten out, it usually isn't by much.
Stringless is definitely not better than Harp on Tighnari or Yoimiya and is only comparable to Harp in Fischl aggregate, where both are top 5 options. Outside of aggregate teams Stringless is strictly worse than Harp on Fischl, especially with the Golden troupe set.
For Ganyu, she has some 4 star weapons that outperform Harp, but they outperform harp so slightly that it does not matter, they are all close to her bid in performance, but the 4 stars have restrictions like getting a weak point shot for example, and you need to get billets to get them to r5 first for them to even be comparable. Harp works unconditionally, and is a top pick at r1.
Aquila does nothing for Bennet but maximizes his buff. You don't think an account that pulls limited 5 star weapons won't possibly have Mistsplitter or Skyward Blade? Both which are far better 5 star options for Bennett. It is much more likely that your Aquila will be gathering dust before a weapon like Harp, that is useful for many different characters and most likely even more characters in the future.
@@jy1178 sorry I misspoke, I meant Slingshot and not Stringless, but Slingshot is def better than Harp for Yoimiya, I know that.
As for Mist, well unless you have r5 it’s better to just put Mist on someone else than replace Aquila. And blade is strictly worse from a dps perspective if you have enough er already which is possible even without an er sub weapon.
Bruh Aquila is only good for Bennett, physical kequing ( who plays that now ?) And maybe carry jean ( Fav is better) it's a trash weapon. Primodial jade winged spear and lost prayer is a great stat stick ( help you manage crit stats ) skyward blade is actually good because of ER ( use it on a attack scaling ER hungry character ) skyward polearm is copium.
Puts Aquila BiS because only works on Bennett.
Puts Skyward Pride in Low Tier because only works on Eula.
The Tone-Deaf One-Sideness of Zajeff as of late has been astonishing...
Tbf, Bennett is a much better character than Eula lol
100% of endgame players have Bennett. I believe less than 20% of active players have Eula (according to abyss data).
It's like getting neuv with signature compared to albedo with signature (summit shaper)
@@aerohydra3849 That's not the point, the point is that if Aquila is good on his eyes because its somewhat useful on HIS Bennet AND JUST HIS BENNET, then Skyward Pride is also somewhat useful on Eula AND JUST EULA.
I don't like him choosing Aquila as the best wep bc it really isn't, oh no 91 atk buff less than skyward blade for 55% ER???
I think the real goat is harp
As a F2P, my 3 skyward harps will never be refined and NEVER will be, I use it on Childe, other one with Ganyu, and the other one will be in the corner waiting for Lyney lmao.
Now I think you're just being a contrarian now man. Skyward harp and PWJS is such a good all around weapon. If not the best at the very least better than Aquila.
I consider Aquila to be a sidegrade of Skyward Blade at best because the ER is just that useful
This is so weird coming from Mr.Fav tbh
@@Hezkun If you think about Aquila favonia can't be written without 'fav' so in a way it makes sense after all.
Best thing about Skyward Spine is that I can slap it on Shenhe permanently, and I don't have to choose who will get Fav when I want to play freeze team (this is just how I cope with my luck).
Skyward Blade > Aquila Favonia since it gives Bennet pretty decent ATK plus a lot of ER allowing us to get an HP piece to pair Bennet with Furina better
and no i refuse to use another healer until an Electro that heals the whole team comes out i might consider it then
or why Cloud Retainer depending on her kit and if she buffs my Anemo Main of choice
Pogo-Healer-Mommy.
@@ZanathKariashi don't have her
also want em big buffs
Dang.... now i know that furina's buff is dynamic, even for postsnapshot skill.
Aquila is 100% zajeff's personal best pick. It's def not the objective best.
It even goes against his personal philosophy, skyward blade is only like a microscopic amount lower in exchange for being 100% sure bennett bursts every rot
zajoof: known favonius weapon propagandist
aquila favonia: only standard 5 star with "fav" in its name
zajoof: ranks aquila #1
COINCIDENCE??? I think not!
favge
bro glazing aquilla so damn hard
Lost prayer is great, with Dehya at day time and two more Anemo character i can run around super fast.
My first 3 standard banner weapons were all skyward spines. I would trade all 3 for a single random other standard weapon.
He’s incorrect about The Unforged being on standard in the beginning; the second claymore after WGS is Skyward Pride
My first 3 standard weapons were 2 Skyward Harps and an Amos bow. Then I got 2 Lost Prayers. All bows/books and no melee
I have 3 skyward harps, amos, Wolves gravestone, and Jade winged spear (playing since 1.2). Lots of bows
that moment when the only 5* standard weapons i have are a skyward pride and TWO skyward spines
To me harp very good (Fishl, tignari) aquila good (Benny) atlas good (wanderer) pride decent (Beidou) pjws fine (now 2 unused, on raiden before el, on burst Zhongli)
actually pjws helped me more than aquila favonia to 36* on abyss i used it on raiden and hutao, ive only had 36* after i get pjws and its after the aquila. i think zajeff here is kinda biased here cuz hes really like bennet. pjws really wins i think cuz u can use it on muliple chara even its not the best in slots as f2p that didnt pull that much on weapon banner to got "best in slots weapon".
Skyward atlas makes me think a physical catalyst could exist
That initial Zajeff WGS Eula take so idiotic. It boggles my mind that he can't consider that you can be in aoe situations, hit a squishier enemy proc it and get the proc for the tankier enemy. he's so caught up in spewing garbage, and shitting on Eula that the most outlandish and negative scenario came to his mind first.
1- pjws , harp , wgs ,lost prayer
2- amos, atlas, spine ,skyward blade
3- pride
4-aquila
Yet another braindead take by Zagef 😍😍😍😍😍
What is bro waffling about? In my opinion zyox weapon tierlist is more acurate
Noelle is fine with Skyward Pride. And now that her value went up with Furina, I think Pride's stock went up as well. It's still not great or anything, but I don't think that was addressed.
I got 4 5* weapon from standard banner, which I have permanent users for them so I don't consider any of them useless, unless I got a copy.
Skyward blade (used to be benny's until I got aquila, now belongs to Djinn)
Aquila (Benny)
Skyward Pride (Ella)
Skyward spine (Shenhe, fav is limited and more important for other characters)
my first standard 5 star was jade spear. a year later I pulled the character for the weapon
I could never
Without a doubt SkyHarp is much better than every other standard weapon. Aquila is literally only for the most boring meaningless character in the game, who loses relevancy over time. SkyHarp works on pretty much every Archer in the game.
It's not even your weird Bennett take that makes that take valid, it's just that Aquila is just mid~a skyward blade sidegrade in general, and that there's no scenario where 91 flat attack vs Skyward Blade is worth risking not being able to rotate every rotation. Skyward blade is just better for most teams except Raiden National, but even then, you're not going to cry over ~2% less dmg
the annoying fav argument you're throwing around to belittle the other weapons when that exact same argument can be used on aquila lol
I'd kinda disagree since if you use fav on bennet you're trolling him (unless you're like ar 30 and lack er), but yeah I could see jade winged spear a tier higher.
I hate Aquila. It's a physical damage sword made for on-fielders. There literally isn't a character in the game that properly fits that role unless you wanna cope and play phys Keqing or something. The only reason people use it is as a stat stick on Bennett, and even that feels terrible because both the substat *and* the passive are absolutely useless for him, it's literally only for the high base atk if so. Even then I would still rather take Skyward Blade on Bennett in that case, at least that has usable effects and stats for an ever so slightly smaller burst buff. Sapwood Blade is also fine. The only saving grace it has is that it's a standard weapon, so at least you can get it as a freebie unlike Mistsplitter on him
Phys Kaeya 🤡
@@Szczurzyslawa Ah yes of course, how could I forget
@@SzczurzyslawaNeuvillette is shivering in his boots after hearing about Physical Kayea build
@@baguette_connoisseur their fight would be legendary
I've got two of every standard weapon except for bow and greatsword weapons. From Aqua & skyward sword, both catalyst, Xiao spear, and skyward spear.
Mind you all by accident btw.
dynamic buffs is so interesting
I have harp on fischl and it's so good for her 😁
I hard disagree.
Standard weapons you dont choose and the way you rank this weapons should be how it affects a character vs their 4 star weapon counterpart.
Bennett with Aquila is barely better than the thousands of other options you have for bennett vs Xiao with Jade vs Xiao with his BIS 4 star.
I think Zajeff really dropped the ball on this one.
i feel like most if not all of standard waepon have its uses. and i wish every *5 i got from standard banner is waepon tbh, and it gets better with refines
Well...all i can say is that this is one of the takes of all time
Most of them are cope now even with Furina`s buff, Marechaussee Hunter and you remove Bennett
The Fontaine craftables at R5 are insane and can replace the standard ATK% weapons
The 3 crit weapons are good if you get them on accident, but not worth wishing for lol
Lost Prayer and Yanfei are a match made in heaven Idc what people say
yanfei kekw
of course, aquila gets top 1 from the bennett salesman
He's a fake Bennett salesman because dude thinks he's permanently glued to Xiangling when Skyward Blade gives only like ~91 flat atk at worst (on crown) less for a whopping 55% ER!!!
There's teams where his ER reqs spike to 280+, I mean he sells fav because of the ER, but now all of a sudden a wep is in between the mathematical best and the most convenient for ER and someone that's worse?
Don't get me started on not putting harp on goat as if it's not basically a free clone of Polar Star/Thundering Pulse for 90% of characters
3:22 this timestamp is iconic as well as what he says in it... Because I did "chamber 3" of the abyss, in "22 seconds" with klee.
The team was, klee, xiangling, nahida and bennett.
I agree with that one chatter. I reckon the base aquila looks better
To be honest, I think primordial jade spear is the worst weapon for a non Xiao user. Maybe on cyno it's pretty good. And it's skewed because I lost neuvi weapon to homa. And I don't necessarily like polearm characters. But the biggest polearm characters like xiangling and Raiden, only get a 1-2% DPS increase over the catch.
And I don't think it'd be that good on hutao tbh
why would you need fav on raiden? she gives so much energy to the whole team unless your other characters have literally 0 ER sub stats. i just feel like fav would be over kill.
Because Zajef wants fav on everything that moves.
@@Ew-wthironic considering he chose a 1~2% dmg increase for buffed characters vs 55% ER
I really like Spine's attack speed.
The main issue wiht Skyward Spine is that almost no Polearm Characters remain on field to use their normal attacks, Xiao would've been a great option, if not for the fact that you want to be pogo stick jumping on him. Hu Tao wants to be charging through.
THis is honestly terrible character design, to focus your character only on Charged attacks or only on Plunge attacks.
@@bloody4558
How good is it for cyno ?
@@kingdoom5022its good if u don’t have any ER on arti helps alot
@@kingdoom5022use white tassel.
@@bloody4558 Raiden copium
Aquila's healing IS very useful. I've been main Keqing for years, and as a f2p, Aquila is my only 5* weapon. While Lion's Roar damage is for sure higher, just the comfort of having the healing is worth the dps loss
Coping so hard
@@faisal_ahmed5256 It's better with Furina in the team and generally good if we ever were to get anything that required solo character 'teams', but like... we don't have that. I really hope we get a sword user who is physical though, would love to use my Aquila there.
zaj missed with this one, normally i agree or am indifferent to his opinions, but this one is just wrong. you dont pick which standard wep you get, you get it while trying to get something else and cope with it (unless its pjws for xiao i guess). feel like he shouldve ranked it by how useful they are for stand ins if you don't have the bis like, not everyone has multiple copies of favge laying around they can use for every character.. how long has he been trying to get a favge sword now and regret refining it?
seems a little more personal tier list for zajeff but the discussion was good
my tierlist would be-
harp, pjws, lost prayer
atlas, spine
wgs, amos, aquilla, skyword blade
pride
crit batchest
My last two 5* weapons from standart is the second Amos and the second Sacred Winds, and I am going mentally insane, because I just want a bow for 4* that is not the stringless, and Skyward Blade just so that Lumine would look cool lol
I think context matters a lot here. WGS is no where near as good as Skyward Harp on paper. But the difference is that Skyward Harp has a ton of competition and arguably is not even in the top five DPS bows. Meanwhile all the claymores except Beacon suck but no one can even get Beacon anymore so WGS is already one of the best. If you're building any claymore DPS then WGS is a go-to. Also Skyward Spine is part of the ER substat "why use this when favge/sac exist" weapon group but considering how sac polearm doesn't exist and favge polearm has hella low ER substat as well as how rare ER on a polearm is, Skyward Spine is actually not that bad. I would put WGS in "good stat stick" and skyward spine in "fine" even though other weapon types with similar passives like Skyward Atlas and Skyward Pride would rank lower for me.
“You pull weapons for the characters” meanwhile me, who pulled C1 hutao because of a 40cv goblet
Atlas actually feels great on my Yae Miko who never pairs with Bennet and ATK matters a lot
I think could be easier to Zajeff explaining why aquila favonia is good just with " bennett is so versatile and is the highest base atk sword", he tried to overexplain 🤔
I would still disagree. A 15% improvement (if you have alley flash is even lower) on Bennett's burst is much less significant for your account, than getting a good stat stick with CRIT for your main damage dealer.
its still not that much of an improvement compared to 66 crit value like harp and lost prayer, plus weapons like alley flash and sapwood blade are already good f2p options for bennett
@@italomorais9424 I think the main reason why is because you dont need to pull for standard weapons, eventually you will get aquila and for your main dps you could prioritize pulling his signature if you wanna maximize team damage.
Overall you will use bennett a lot more than all main dps and i think that makes a lot of difference rating.
@@guilhermeferreiraherrera9629 I can understand, I think like you. But Zajef himself is totally against pulling for weapons. So, for him to put a weapon that's just a 15% increase in Bennett's burst from a sapwood blade(which has a useful substat and a somewhat useful passive) above weapons that are the only means for him to give CRIT weapons for his main DMG dealears. It just sounds so weird.
Where you playing bennett besides xiangling?
I'm in so much pain listening about fav lance but not getting a single one in 2 years.
I have never once had the thought of giving Raiden fav
But thinking about it
That actually sounds good wtf
It's not actually bc she herself is Fav and her teams are usually centralized in giving her dmg stats as she's usually the strongest unit dmg wise in any given team with her
Just get the catch
@@Hezkunyou can only get one catch though, if it's on xiangling u can definitely give fav to raiden
@@EdenVixjust use Dragon's bane or kitain on Xiangling? She loses less by doing that vs giving Raiden fav
my top 3
Aquila is the best I agree cos Beny is the Best.
Lost players 10 % movement speed is goat in overwolrd + good on carries.
Skyward blade is second best option for Beny and very good on Ayato cos you do need the ER to burst consistenly or I use it on MC cos its looks cool and even when their bursts are rly bad they do need the ER again.