I need to live to 120 years old to find out all the the things Frank did. How did he do all this great stuff in this short space of time? Did he ever sleep? I am 61. For the three year olds out there, there may be just be enough time to appreciate Bach, Mozart, Zappa, Debussy, Vivaldi Gorecki Glass Part in your life but my advice is stick with Frank Zappa: he won't ever let you down.
I'll be fifty next year, have always thought of myself as some kind of authority on Zappa, but thanks, TH-cam if you don't make me an idiot just about every day with some new track or version of a piece I've never heard before. Never been so happy to be an idiot.
He skipped trendy chemical amusement aids , unfortunately he didn't skip nicotine ...Some people are self directed and realize how to get out in the world . He may have changed the mindset of the world.He was prescient because he lived in the truth and was not hypnotized and found his bliss .that's how I see it .
If you can listen to this WITHOUT smiling ear to ear by the time you hear that beautiful harmony, positively nothing on this green earth could ever make you happy.
So fitting here. Only an L. Shankar solo would be in order. Followed By an FZ solo. Like a snowflake no two FZ solos were ever the same. I thank you Frank and I miss you every single day!
Waw ! Quand Lakshminarayanan SHANKAR vient avec les trilles endiablées de son violon et son jeu si dynamique et à la très grande fluidité, ça donne à œuvre une autre dimension. L. SHANKAR, the marvelous violonist !
Vous avez raison. Une coquille s'est glissée subrepticement lors de mon écrit. Il faut dire que le violon de L. Shankar est si merveilleusement dévastateur de l'émotionnel de mon être lorsque je l'écoute, que j'en suis - à l'instar d'un corps qui battrait la chamade - plus que tremblotant. Le vertige n'est pas loin de n'en presque plus voir mon clavier.
Frank is one of a very few who realized you can create dramatic tension by setting up a song in an odd meter then relaxing the elastic and tightening it again.
I kinda liked Aynsley Dunbar. I kinda like Chester Thompson, too. I kinda like Jim Gordon, too. I kinda like Chad Wackerman, too. I kinda like Vinnie, too and I kinda like Terry as well. So, in answer to the question. "Who do you like better?" My answer is: yes.
L Shankar on his double violin here just makes this stunning tune sound heavenly. As his contribution on Take Off Your Clothes When You Dance does. Pity he didn't play on more Zappa albums. I deeply recommend Lavi's records, eg. Raga Aberi. From Bergen with Love, Pål
If you have never played in 13/8 this is your perfect gateway piece. Only Vinnie can do 13 so casually. When you get lost (and you will lol)...just let Arthur be your guide - he only loses "one" a few times ;-)
Sooo the other way to count it would be without subdividing. A little harder but l did it using a Bruford tune ''My heart declares a holiday'' which is a bit cleaner. Love em both though ....love em both!
This is one of the BIG ONE'S love this one watch everyday along with twenty-one from the same night 10-31-78 I was at all these shows and thanks for posting it.
It's totally consistent with Frank's relation with his audience that he takes the time to explain the odd meter of the song so they can get it and clap along with it. He always wanted to de-mystify music so everyone could participate in it.
@fadethetrade It's definitely true that his solos attracted a lot of fans but that's because he was a great guitar player. His solos were more melodic, and soulful, which is a term I don't usually use because every musician must play with some feeling. But Zappa had so much more of it than Van Halen, Satriani, or Vai, and Franks improvisation didn't consist of just repeatedly shredding the same patterns and pentatonic and harmonic minor scales. Plus Vinnie was better than any Van Halen drummer.
Ravi Shankar is playing the cithar here. This is one of the tunes I like most in my Zappa discotheque, very difficult and powerfull - try clapping the one-two, one-two-three, one-two three-four, it's fun! Thanks for posting it dear.
I don't understand why, and I doubt he would have wanted to replace Vinnie. I don't think Frank Zappa ever valued "commercial appeal" more than the quality of music. That lineup was the best. Wackerman, Bozzio, Logeman, and Thompson were all good, but I think Vinnie was the perfect fit, and it's evident in the music.
You must be a drummer ;-). Vinny was the best Drummer but musically, the best line up FOR ME, was the one with Georges Duke Ruth Underwood Napoleon Tom Fowler Ralph Humphrey and Chester Thompson (who are drumming MONSTERS) Yeah i had to name them all
Vinnie was awesomely good at everything but Terry had a more recognisable style, like 'can your mother recognise you on the radio?' sort of thing. I suppose Aynsley had his own style too. Love 'em all.
Thank you Timmo1782 for posting all of this stuff from the '79 band. Incredible. I am a drummer and a huge fan of Vinnies work. "Shut and Play..." is some of my favorite, and i am always looking out for video footage of Vinnie w/ Frank, and there doesn't seem to much at all... Where did you come by these audio clips? Do you have more? What about video!? Thanks again...
I read an article in a guitarist magazine some time ago(cant remember which one)in which Zappa says that he wouldn't have been able to write and play the really difficult(!) pieces he was developing at the time without Vinnie. I dont think the money had anything to do with anything (No commercial potential remember) I think Apostrophe and Overnight sensation were his biggest selling records anyway weren't they?
@Foosh222 I was at Edgar Varese tribute,palladium in ealy 1981 and frank was the host of the classical show and he asked the audience if anyone had any questions and I asked him what vinnie up to tonight? and he said ,"he's out looking for a new contract!". At that time I was 20 and still wet behind the ears a little so I didnt put it together that vinnie was already history from zappas band!The rest of the audience didnt appear to interpret that he left ,either,.
Timmo, thanks from all of us here for this incredibly brilliant posting - and for your time, energy and generosity. No probs with your timelines....Wonder if Frank is smiling at the site of us all crawling around trying to get to hear more of his music (sigh!)?
its wild!!!...i love the intense musical relationship going on!!..between vinnie & shankar!...such fucking synergy!!..even when ive listen to a dozen times in a row it just doesnt lose anything!!
Me neither! Because this comes straight after Illinois Enema Bandit on YCDTOSA Vol 6 played with Chad, Scott and the others, I lazily thought this was more Chad's drumming and Scott's bass! Had to re-read the liner notes to believe it - is it available on record anywhere? - and can we have the second part of this - purleeeeeZZZZZZZZZZZZZZeeee?! Incredible solo - in the style of Why Johnny Can't Read - viva Zappa!!!
@fadethetrade I guess, if that's your preference. I think Vinnie was just sick .There's nothing more to say. Listen to the line-up of Vinnie, Tommy Mars, Arthur Barrow, Ike Willis, Ed Mann, etc..; it doesn't get much better in my opinion, and I've listened to a whole lot of Zappa shows. I'd ask you to listen to January - February 1978, in comparison to September and onward, as long as Vinnie is there, and if you still think Bozzio is better, then that is merely a matter your personal preference.
@fadethetrade Well that line-up created the best music of Zappa's career, by far, so I think what happened was that Vinnie moved on from the band, rather than Zappa deciding that the music he, himself, was creating wasn't his fancy.
I love that this was performed two years into the punk rock movement, when the "rockist" critical orthodoxy (looking at you, Robert Christgau) was crapping all over bands that had the pretentious gall to play in odd time signatures.
that's just a goofy thing to say - Bozzio has a different approach, equally brilliant. In fact I prefer the way TB grooves, he really served the pulse with less ego.
Listen to ' love your life' by 'Man' off the 'Do you like it here now you are settling in' album. The solo(s) throughout this track is incredibly similar almost note for note with guitar/distorted organ sound on the man album.
i got this in my favorites!!!...is this on ycdtosa volumes???!!..is there footage of this band?..correct me if iam wrong,but this seems to the most unrepresented in terms of live footage..we all know the studio records of this line up well.,but there doesnt seem to footage released??...thanks again for a awesome post!!
Frank only got rid of Vinnie cos he tried to get a wage rise via Arthur Barrow without Frank's knowledge - along with Warren C. I'm not sure Chad was chosen cos he was better - but yes, he is pretty fucking amazing! If Scott Thunes' interview in 'A Cold Sweat' by Thomas Wictor is to be believed, Scott was much more important to Frank than Chad and the '84 band broke up because of Scott...
Er, I think 'you have good ears', as Frank would say! You must be a musician. What? You're Italian? No? You'reJewish? I guess after 1:58 it does become distinctly Vinnie-ish despite the brief lapse back into those thuds/whacks at 4:08-5:05. Frank's solo is unbelievable tho, isn't it? I wonder if timmo can get hold of the vinyl release of 555 which has an extra 3 mins not on the album version which I heard via bongolamp who unfortunately got his site swiped by FZT - which is another story....:(((
Actually, in 1982,that was basically the year zappa was retired from original styles he created because everything from 1983 on up to his death was basically the same ideals and variations of his styles, mixed up and combined, but nothing really original as in his prior 20 years.
hi timmo1782, do you have the album Slip Dirt, but the LP version, because the CD version FZ use a female voice in many pieces of these album, and, she sing well but I prefer instrumental version. Slip Dirt is a very complicated album. and FZ play the guitar excellent, a MASTER GUITAR PLAYER. if you have these albun please up here. THANKS.
@ReThord I think his best lineup started with the grand wazoo band and ended with Colaiuta when he was with Vai at the same time,late 1980.But I still believe Bozzio was the jump start of zappas popularity.And his songs with bozzio were more mainstream style pop for a wider audience.With Vince,zappa solo'd a little too much.Bozzio had the vocals and was a better image for the preteens and teenagers.That's where the money is.
The opening is more Chad's style in FZ compositions because it's got that 'whack' of a beat while Vinnie's style is more rolls over the cymbals/drums/bass pedals like he does here in the second half...? I obviously need to listen closer - oh yeah, and read liner notes too...:(((((((((((
Interesting detail, jancivil - where did you get that from? Frank was obviously changing Vinnie's style then? This is not characteristic of his drumming parts except towards the end....
@eskimoposh tough call; bozzio and chad are both monster drummers. They didn't play with frank cause they sucked. Vinnie is a super monster, but I think Terry could give it his touch.
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I need to live to 120 years old to find out all the the things Frank did.
How did he do all this great stuff in this short space of time?
Did he ever sleep?
I am 61. For the three year olds out there, there may be just be enough time to appreciate Bach, Mozart, Zappa, Debussy, Vivaldi Gorecki Glass Part in your life but my advice is stick with Frank Zappa: he won't ever let you down.
I'll be fifty next year, have always thought of myself as some kind of authority on Zappa, but thanks, TH-cam if you don't make me an idiot just about every day with some new track or version of a piece I've never heard before. Never been so happy to be an idiot.
You forgot Stravinsky.
didn't sleep much so his 53 years spent here are worth one hundrud
He skipped trendy chemical amusement aids , unfortunately he didn't skip nicotine ...Some people are self directed and realize how to get out in the world . He may have changed the mindset of the world.He was prescient because he lived in the truth and was not hypnotized and found his bliss .that's how I see it .
Be fair, Patrick: Bach won't ever let you down either.
Vinnie Colaiuta. All of 22 years old here and drumming as well as anybody ever has.
The interplay between Vinnie Colaiuta and Shankar 2,50-3,25 never fails to send shivers up the spine.
The first Zappa concerts that I went to was 1975 NYC Felt Forum . Then I never missed a NYC or Long Island show right through the last tour in 88.
If you can listen to this WITHOUT smiling ear to ear by the time you hear that beautiful harmony, positively nothing on this green earth could ever make you happy.
man, my per se ear is smiling :)
You mean Gods Gray Earth.
Franks cynicism was as deep as his music.
I thank God for people like you that put this music out there so I can enjoy it because there is so much out there that's hidden and I thank you all
So fitting here. Only an L. Shankar solo would be in order. Followed By an FZ solo. Like a snowflake no two FZ solos were ever the same. I thank you Frank and I miss you every single day!
i want to play this by the time i turn 13
New boy here, didn't get into Frank til '79.just the 40+ years n counting, I nearly own it all😎
I was at the 78 shows L Shankar in that bird costume man totally amazing. Went to multiple early and late shows.
Waw ! Quand Lakshminarayanan SHANKAR vient avec les trilles endiablées de son violon et son jeu si dynamique et à la très grande fluidité, ça donne à œuvre une autre dimension.
L. SHANKAR, the marvelous violonist !
C'est LakshminarayanA. :O)
Vous avez raison. Une coquille s'est glissée subrepticement lors de mon écrit. Il faut dire que le violon de L. Shankar est si merveilleusement dévastateur de l'émotionnel de mon être lorsque je l'écoute, que j'en suis - à l'instar d'un corps qui battrait la chamade - plus que tremblotant. Le vertige n'est pas loin de n'en presque plus voir mon clavier.
you mean 'it's cool'
Vinnie is everyone's best drummer!
Frank is one of a very few who realized you can create dramatic tension by setting up a song in an odd meter then relaxing the elastic and tightening it again.
I kinda liked Aynsley Dunbar. I kinda like Chester Thompson, too. I kinda like Jim Gordon, too. I kinda like Chad Wackerman, too. I kinda like Vinnie, too and I kinda like Terry as well.
So, in answer to the question. "Who do you like better?" My answer is: yes.
Ya man lol
Yes please
Don’t forget little Ralph! Pancake breakfast 🥞
I guess its what mood you're in😎
“As long as I get paid and get some beer I’ll do anything! I’m a professional!!”
L Shankar on his double violin here just makes this stunning tune sound heavenly. As his contribution on Take Off Your Clothes When You Dance does. Pity he didn't play on more Zappa albums. I deeply recommend Lavi's records, eg. Raga Aberi.
From Bergen with Love, Pål
F'ing Vinnie! F'ing Frank! best in the world
Fabulous, didn't know that it was Vinnie playing!
If you have never played in 13/8 this is your perfect gateway piece. Only Vinnie can do 13 so casually. When you get lost (and you will lol)...just let Arthur be your guide - he only loses "one" a few times ;-)
Sooo the other way to count it would be without subdividing. A little harder but l did it using a Bruford tune ''My heart declares a holiday'' which is a bit cleaner. Love em both though ....love em both!
Greg Moore
Arthur Barrows is a monster bass player....nuff said!
Not, not only Vinnie can play 13/8 casually. Every prog metal Drummer can today.
Nobody plays like vinnie. Pro drummers know that.😎🤘
This is one of the BIG ONE'S love this one watch everyday along with twenty-one from the same night 10-31-78 I was at all these shows and thanks for posting it.
It's totally consistent with Frank's relation with his audience that he takes the time to explain the odd meter of the song so they can get it and clap along with it. He always wanted to de-mystify music so everyone could participate in it.
I was there! His entry was a surprise
@mugfordpete
The violin player is Lakshminarayanan Shankar.
he played the violin with john mclaughlin in the group SHAKTI. check it out... pure beauty
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Swami Motel L.Shankar, the violin player
lol... wtf?
I wish there was a live video somewhere for this epic piece.
Increíble como cada obra de Zappa. Gracias por compartir ésta joya.
@fadethetrade It's definitely true that his solos attracted a lot of fans but that's because he was a great guitar player. His solos were more melodic, and soulful, which is a term I don't usually use because every musician must play with some feeling. But Zappa had so much more of it than Van Halen, Satriani, or Vai, and Franks improvisation didn't consist of just repeatedly shredding the same patterns and pentatonic and harmonic minor scales. Plus Vinnie was better than any Van Halen drummer.
I most likely saw this live in the Stanley when I was 11_12_15 I was lucky enough to see each year
In Pittsburgh? Nice.
Frank Zappa was the best.
yeah, saw this tour. At Tower Theater in Philly, they had camera's on stage.
Never saw the video.
But I remember BOTH shows.
No song repeated.
Ravi Shankar is playing the cithar here.
This is one of the tunes I like most in my Zappa discotheque, very difficult and powerfull - try clapping the one-two, one-two-three, one-two three-four, it's fun! Thanks for posting it dear.
No it's not Ravi Shankar. It's L. Shankar, a violinist. No sitar in this performance.
Why doesn't this kind of music get made anymore? If it does, why do I never hear about it? I'll never get to meet Zappa, and that's a shame.
this is such a classic arangement i was at this concert like it was yesterday not 32 years ago. frank I miss you so much, music is the best.
LOVING THIS!!!
Frank was Amazing...
AHHHHHHH l. shankar on violin, wow
amazing! thanks for posting both parts, timmo. this is one of my favorite instrumentals by fz. just incredible.
I've almost forgot to hit the "like"button I'm so F-n mesmerized .. (o:
genuis! wonderful! Thanks!
I don't understand why, and I doubt he would have wanted to replace Vinnie. I don't think Frank Zappa ever valued "commercial appeal" more than the quality of music. That lineup was the best. Wackerman, Bozzio, Logeman, and Thompson were all good, but I think Vinnie was the perfect fit, and it's evident in the music.
I think everyone wanted Vinnie, just like they do today -- with the likes of Sting and Jeff Beck being anxious for him to join their lineups.
You must be a drummer ;-). Vinny was the best Drummer but musically, the best line up FOR ME, was the one with Georges Duke Ruth Underwood Napoleon Tom Fowler Ralph Humphrey and Chester Thompson (who are drumming MONSTERS)
Yeah i had to name them all
Vinnie was awesomely good at everything but Terry had a more recognisable style, like 'can your mother recognise you on the radio?' sort of thing. I suppose Aynsley had his own style too. Love 'em all.
Great! Play that violin, L.!
Thank you Timmo1782 for posting all of this stuff from the '79 band. Incredible. I am a drummer and a huge fan of Vinnies work. "Shut and Play..." is some of my favorite, and i am always looking out for video footage of Vinnie w/ Frank, and there doesn't seem to much at all... Where did you come by these audio clips? Do you have more? What about video!?
Thanks again...
should have been 13 minutes long..
To jest muzyka , której nie sposób mi nie kochać💗😍🎸
This tune became Tink Walks Amok off the Utopia album. But, Jesus it is so much more beautiful here.
i love the way he sings the sub-divisions out...sooo zappa. it's inspired me to write some music that has a similar groove as well :)
best audio always~ ty
I read an article in a guitarist magazine some time ago(cant remember which one)in which Zappa says that he wouldn't have been able to write and play the really difficult(!) pieces he was developing at the time without Vinnie. I dont think the money had anything to do with anything (No commercial potential remember) I think Apostrophe and Overnight sensation were his biggest selling records anyway weren't they?
The minute or so from 7:15 on is sublime.
Oh, and just FYI, this is all and only Lydian beginning to end. The most engaging and enigmatic theme ever
Lydian was his weapon of choice. I can't ear Ionian anymore since i'm heavily loaded with Zappa.
Greg Moore ...what does Lydian mean,and how does it compare/contrast to Lonian?
@Foosh222 I was at Edgar Varese tribute,palladium in ealy 1981 and frank was the host of the classical show and he asked the audience if anyone had any questions and I asked him what vinnie up to tonight? and he said ,"he's out looking for a new contract!". At that time I was 20 and still wet behind the ears a little so I didnt put it together that vinnie was already history from zappas band!The rest of the audience didnt appear to interpret that he left ,either,.
Timmo, thanks from all of us here for this incredibly brilliant posting - and for your time, energy and generosity. No probs with your timelines....Wonder if Frank is smiling at the site of us all crawling around trying to get to hear more of his music (sigh!)?
its wild!!!...i love the intense musical relationship going on!!..between vinnie & shankar!...such fucking synergy!!..even when ive listen to a dozen times in a row it just doesnt lose anything!!
Putting out more posthumous music than Tupac
L. Shankar, who playing with John MacLaughin in album call Electric Dreams.
Me neither! Because this comes straight after Illinois Enema Bandit on YCDTOSA Vol 6 played with Chad, Scott and the others, I lazily thought this was more Chad's drumming and Scott's bass! Had to re-read the liner notes to believe it - is it available on record anywhere? - and can we have the second part of this - purleeeeeZZZZZZZZZZZZZZeeee?! Incredible solo - in the style of Why Johnny Can't Read - viva Zappa!!!
I was not very sure, thanks for correcting me.
Excelent players and final MUSIC!!!!!!!!
@fadethetrade I guess, if that's your preference. I think Vinnie was just sick .There's nothing more to say. Listen to the line-up of Vinnie, Tommy Mars, Arthur Barrow, Ike Willis, Ed Mann, etc..; it doesn't get much better in my opinion, and I've listened to a whole lot of Zappa shows. I'd ask you to listen to January - February 1978, in comparison to September and onward, as long as Vinnie is there, and if you still think Bozzio is better, then that is merely a matter your personal preference.
Francis Vincent Zappa is still the best.
@fadethetrade Well that line-up created the best music of Zappa's career, by far, so I think what happened was that Vinnie moved on from the band, rather than Zappa deciding that the music he, himself, was creating wasn't his fancy.
Yes, it is. You can find this on disc II of YCDTOSA vol. 6.
It´s great, isn´t it?
2:49 The madness begins
@timmo1782 yup its L. Shankar. And thats a violin he is playing...
Thanks for all this fucking shit that tought me how to play bass.
This is the new coolest thing.
I love that this was performed two years into the punk rock movement, when the "rockist" critical orthodoxy (looking at you, Robert Christgau) was crapping all over bands that had the pretentious gall to play in odd time signatures.
Bom demais timmo!!!
that's just a goofy thing to say - Bozzio has a different approach, equally brilliant. In fact I prefer the way TB grooves, he really served the pulse with less ego.
@woodros just got it wrong because of the name Shankar. Htf did you not think about it? ;-))
not sure translation did you justice my friend. Peace and higher conscious to you
Listen to ' love your life' by 'Man' off the 'Do you like it here now you are settling in' album. The solo(s) throughout this track is incredibly similar almost note for note with guitar/distorted organ sound on the man album.
good one
Cool
i got this in my favorites!!!...is this on ycdtosa volumes???!!..is there footage of this band?..correct me if iam wrong,but this seems to the most unrepresented in terms of live footage..we all know the studio records of this line up well.,but there doesnt seem to footage released??...thanks again for a awesome post!!
Yeah! WOW!
nice! *****
@jpphoopha cithara, sorry. It's a instrument, look it up under wiki.
Frank only got rid of Vinnie cos he tried to get a wage rise via Arthur Barrow without Frank's knowledge - along with Warren C. I'm not sure Chad was chosen cos he was better - but yes, he is pretty fucking amazing! If Scott Thunes' interview in 'A Cold Sweat' by Thomas Wictor is to be believed, Scott was much more important to Frank than Chad and the '84 band broke up because of Scott...
Er, I think 'you have good ears', as Frank would say! You must be a musician. What? You're Italian? No? You'reJewish? I guess after 1:58 it does become distinctly Vinnie-ish despite the brief lapse back into those thuds/whacks at 4:08-5:05. Frank's solo is unbelievable tho, isn't it? I wonder if timmo can get hold of the vinyl release of 555 which has an extra 3 mins not on the album version which I heard via bongolamp who unfortunately got his site swiped by FZT - which is another story....:(((
I'm only 13 but I know how to nasty lmao
Actually, in 1982,that was basically the year zappa was retired from original styles he created because everything from 1983 on up to his death was basically the same ideals and variations of his styles, mixed up and combined, but nothing really original as in his prior 20 years.
bite your tongue...he's a genius, listen to him playing "7" on pound for a brown,.."baby snakes,..jawdropping stuff
il più grande!!!!
@kellyferndale The song Thirteen is on the cd you can't do that on stage anymore vol.6
wow
hi timmo1782, do you have the album Slip Dirt, but the LP version, because the CD version FZ use a female voice in many pieces of these album, and, she sing well but I prefer instrumental version. Slip Dirt is a very complicated album. and FZ play the guitar excellent, a MASTER GUITAR PLAYER.
if you have these albun please up here. THANKS.
@ReThord I think his best lineup started with the grand wazoo band and ended with Colaiuta when he was with Vai at the same time,late 1980.But I still believe Bozzio was the jump start of zappas popularity.And his songs with bozzio were more mainstream style pop for a wider audience.With Vince,zappa solo'd a little too much.Bozzio had the vocals and was a better image for the preteens and teenagers.That's where the money is.
I much prefer this FZ solo to the one on the YCDTOSA Vol 6...
8 times more cool than 'Take 5'.
@fadethetrade Haha, nice!! Well Chad Wackerman wasn't a bad replacement.
13 times more cool than take 5
Try clapping to twenty-one as well.
The opening is more Chad's style in FZ compositions because it's got that 'whack' of a beat while Vinnie's style is more rolls over the cymbals/drums/bass pedals like he does here in the second half...? I obviously need to listen closer - oh yeah, and read liner notes too...:(((((((((((
Interesting detail, jancivil - where did you get that from? Frank was obviously changing Vinnie's style then? This is not characteristic of his drumming parts except towards the end....
cant post
@eskimoposh tough call; bozzio and chad are both monster drummers. They didn't play with frank cause they sucked. Vinnie is a super monster, but I think Terry could give it his touch.
Wrong Shankar :-)
@JackassKing95 As his best drummer ever,yes. But,for his commercial appeal,that nod goes to Terry.
L Shankar.....wow, on the devil's instrument...