I feel as though if the nerd remade this one he would just rant and rave about the third timeline. "A third?! There was a third timeline?! Who comes up with that $#!%!? What were they thinking?!"
@@nomadrl91x A recent video was made by maskednintendobandit about a thing called the abandoned timeline, which makes sense to me. It has some flaws and contradictions, but it is pretty sound. It tries to alleviate the idea of link canonically dying to create a timeline for a string of zelda games.
@@angusyoung119 I've beat nearly every Zelda game and when they put out the timeline I just didn't care. It's clear that they put them out as standalone games with references to other games and just pretended they had a plan later on. Especially when I heard that at least one of them was if Link died in another. Nope, I'll read Michael Moorcock if I want that level of ambiguity in my fantasy.
@@AcidWords1 They actually have gone on record to state that there was never originally a timeline between the games. But when the theories of a timeline blew up, they decided to canonize it
@@Damnto because Adam and Steve would never have been able to procreate and populate Hyrule...unless they figured out cloning...or maybe used a fairy as a surrogate mother, LOL! I'm guessing someone's here after watching the recent Majora's Mask AVGN episode? Me too.
Because Zelda 2 is at the end of the adult timeline. Its the deciding tale that Ganons been defeated, but has an army after Links blood. Beat the game and gain the triforce to wake up Zelda. Ganon is no more.
The Ganon from OoT is no more but it doesn't stop him from reincarnating himself like he did in the child timeline Also Zelda 2 happen in the defeated timeline not adult
Yellogre? sorry but I can shatter that Theory, I'll give you a Hint, in Breath of the wild? Look at the map and compare it to Zelda 2 ... also there's a few more in the game that you over looked.
The main theory I've heard is that BOTW takes place at the very end of the timeline, and that all timelines eventually come together and end at BOTW. Also, Termina isn't an alternate world, it's just another place like Holdrum in OoS.
Luigi Rinaldi I believe one of the dlcs includes new stuff like being able to find the Majoras mask in the game. If you can find Majoras mask in BOTW then technically speaking Termina must’ve existed in the same “timeline”.
@@GAPSYO3O1 I don't think those DLC items are to be considered canon though. Same thing goes for the Xenoblades Chronicles 2 collaboration - it doesn't mean that Xenoblade Chronicles and Zelda share the same universe, it's just a fun reference to another game.
@@MultiDudeman I’ve long speculated that writers will make certain details ambiguous, let the fans speculate, and then make the coolest fan theory canon.
Here’s my explanation: There is no timeline and all the games are based on different rumors how a hero beat evil, and saved the princess and Hyrule. Makes sense since it’s called The LEGEND of Zelda.
I was literally scanning the comments to see if anyone had posted this yet. Although the story of Link and Hylia could alternatively be the Adam and Eve story.
Actually...after long last, and after Link beat the shit out of Ganandorf in smash bros. melee...Zelda finally woke up, and that's where we learned that these timelines all took place in her dreams. No wonder they didn't make any fucking sense...
We have... A sequel to the original, a prequel to the original, a sequel to the prequel, a prequel to the prequel, and a sequel to the young link of the prequel's prequel! WHAT THE FUCK!
So this is a vid from 2009, originally from 2006, updated, in 2008 and now its 2015 and soon 2016. Damn, this video is almost as complex as the zelda timeline.
@@Luke-xi2pq in the hyrule historia it recalls him coming up with the idea for zelda and him stating he didn't care about telling an expanded story or creating a connected universe.
We have... a sequel to the original. A prequel to the original. A sequel to the prequel. A prequel to the prequel. And a sequel to the young Link of the prequel's prequel. WTF!?
***** At least it actually makes sense now, thanks to the Downfall Timeline being added to the Child and Adult Timelines. There's no way all that stuff could've happened in just the two.
So ironic after skyward sword they made an official timeline. Years ago I believe in Nintendo power there was an interview where either Iwata ,when he was still alive, or possibly Miyamoto said he liked to think of each adventure as its own separate story....you know...a LEGEND. Nintendo kind of bowed to fan pressure by cobbling a timeline together.
I originally watched this when I was about 15. I didn't have literary any experience of these games. This gave me the awe to start them. So James, as a fellow James, thank you. This started a love of mine that I cannot express in words, and you were the one to start it. As games were a an influential thing in your life, you were in mine. From cinema, to older games, you really influenced me a lot growing up. For that, I thank you.
+peelsreklaw then with his awesomeness (or something) he got nintendo to publish that shit and some more shit was added by some others and then BOOM! a motherfucking book
I love JAMES and all and i respect the living legend BUT, he sometimes should know better than to say some kind of things regardding videogames - which should be his stuff lready -, as Videogames are literally by modern humanity respected as movies... i'm not even trying to be a try hard millenial wise man, is something you can just literaly feel if you're well inmerzed in both communities.
MrCrossa I don't think that they are canonically connected to the main LoZ universe, but there may be evidence that points to me being wrong about this. Nintendo has ways of connecting every franchise they have in one way or another...
Godzilla, King of The Monster Godzilla Raids Again King Kong vs. Godzilla Ghidorah, the Three-Headed Monster Mothra vs. Godzilla Invasion of Astro-Monster Godzilla vs. the Sea Monster Son of Godzilla Destroy All Monsters All Monsters Attack Godzilla vs. Hedorah Godzilla vs. Gigan Godzilla vs. Megalon Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla Terror of Mechagodzilla The Return of Godzilla Godzilla vs. Biollanta Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah Godzilla & Mothra: The Battle for Earth Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla Godzilla vs. Destoroya Godzilla 2000: Millennium Godzilla vs. Megaguirus Godzilla, Mothra and King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla Godzilla: Tokyo S.O.S. Godzilla: Final Wars Godzilla WTF!!!???
I get what you're trying to say, but Godzilla movies Follow a linear path. At least until "Godzilla: Destroy All monsters" In the movie it's made clear that it's in the future. So the movie after that is a continuation on the movie before destroy all monsters. After that the continue on that storyline until they Recton all of the stories after the original several times before they can reach destroy all monsters in the chronological timeline. Eventually The retcon it a final time and continue on until Godzilla final wars. But I have no fucking clue where the 2014 movie comes in to apply for the movies that are coming out later like the Toho one next year. Hope that helps!
Eric Kleppel wow I'm dumb! I am a Godzilla fanboy yet I didn't know that! Thank you! And I think 2014 ether comes after King of the Monsters and the other movies never happened or King Of the Monsters never happened.
CoolGaminginc You mess up the list a bit. Ghidorah, the Three Headed Monster came after Mothra vs Godzilla, not before. Mothra vs Godzilla came out after King Kong vs Godzilla.
I agree on having no official timeline. Like most Final Fantasy games, Zelda focuses on gameplay and addition of new game mechanics instead of a continuation of sorts. I'm fine with that, just wanted to see if the game could pick up after II and see how Hyrule progressed.
I feel like BOTW and TOTK abandoned the timeline entirely. They decided the timeline should be left to the past, and they want to make a completely new universe with its own timeline.
@@accountrandomnumber182 the old timeline has becomes sorta like myths basically, as the botw timeline takes place thousands of years after that. So the three seperate timelines are just some sort of an old village tale that was picked up through generations.
+ricardo But the games themselves vary on how much they consider the idea of a timeline geniune. I wouldn't been confused or agitated if they decided one way or the other, but THEY don't even know whether they want a concrete timeline to exist or not.
+ricardo I think they changed their mind, it's clear from the official timeline's plot holes that they didn't plan it out in advance, but the recent games (especially Skyward Sword) makes it seem like they care more about the timeline now.
"Maybe it will go back to Link and Zelda being the Adam and Eve of Hyrule" This video was before Skyward Sword right? Because if it was then this is hilarious
he loves it. he talked about it in a recent video I think on James and Mike Mondays or something. Pretty sure he said he completed every single shrine.
10:48. Sweeeet! James used my video in this AVGN episode (number of rupees, number of hearts, and items being used are exactly the same). I feel so honored that one of my favorite videogame reviewers used one of my videos! Thank you so much!
when it comes down to it, Zelda is a great series of games that people love. The fact that so many people dedicate extra time to try and expand on the game is proof of that.
I dont mind Time Line theories; I've come up with quite a few myself over the years for Zelda. But there was always one little word that kept me from trying to make every little detail work in the Zelda universe and time line - "Legend." These games aren't detailed events in the history of Hyrule, they are legends that are told. Sure, if we wanted to put together a bible of Hyrule Legends documenting the events of the mythical land and its hero's we could, but they would still be just that. LEGENDS. And I think that's my favorite part about the series; yes they appear to be connected in some way but the details are fuzzy and each legend is supposed to be it's own unique tale. And thats one of the reasons I love it so much. great episode, AVGN! :)
This has been debunked many times. There is a "bible" of Zelda. It's called the Hyrule Historia. Also, just because the word "legend" is in the title doesn't mean anything.
I just prefer to think that there is one "Legend of Zelda" and each game is a retelling of that legend, with different elements changed. But seriously, I don't really care if there actually is a timeline... It's just a freaking game! lol
I’d love to see an updated timeline with all the games that have come out since this was originally put out. It would be interesting to see the Nerd’s updated take on it😊
@@subzero8679 MK is straightforward. MK1-4, Deadly Alliance, Deception, Armageddon and then the beginning of MK9 happen in order. Then its MKX and now MK11/Aftermath. The main exception is MKvsDC. It is Mortal Kombat 8, but it doesn't really fit into the Midway continuity nor the NRS one. Still, Sub Zero/Raiden mention it when they were guests in INJ2 and the Joker hints at it in MK11.
@@HarryIndeed At least one game came out after this video with a totally contradictory story about the hat, so I can imagine how bad the Nerd flipped out when he saw that.
I'm rewatching all 200 episodes all the way through after Mike talked about some of the specifics of his involvement with the series. I believe he said he wrote this one while James was under the weather.
+Matt (SaltyMcZub) They though it was the one that made the most sense... with the time travel in Ocarina of time fucking shit up in 3 alternate reality
+Magus Perdé and did they really need a timeline explaining what would happen if the player lost to Ganon in Ocarina of time and then gave up and ragequit?
Funny how he said many Zelda fans couldn't bear the thought of another prequel (14:30). Skyward Sword, which came out a couple years after this, is a prequel to The Minish Cap and is also the earliest game on the official timeline, which also came out a couple years after this video
Comparing this video to the Kingdom Hearts timeline video is night and day, you can tell James was actually passionate about these games, when he never even played a KH game before
The way I always saw it, there may not even be a linear timeline since it is a legend. Legends are interpreted in many different ways which is why there are always different weapons and some names carry over. It’s a legend told in many different ways
It's funny that with the Breath of the Wild Sequel, we might finally get an answer (and that answer being it's basically Multiverse Theory and there's several different timelines. And as Trunks and Cell said in Dragon Ball Z Abridged... Multiverse Theory is a bitch...)
A theory that no one has thought of saying. What if each Zelda game is the same? Its all just retellings of the same story, through different story tellers, much like how old ancient myths were the same story at its root, just the details were changed from teller to teller because it was all word of mouth. I doubt it would be true, but its just an interesting way to take the story line.
The intro story from a Link to the Past is actually the story of Ocarina of Time. The 7 sages locking Ganon away is the whole quest. Therefore Link to the past happened far after OoT. Linking to the past is a way to connect back to that original time in OoT.
TheBlackHikikomoriGamer it makes sense that it is at the end of the timeline when you see the tech that was in the trailer and the demo of the game that they played.
+Rikk Wolf I have always thought since they announced the historia this was a dumb concept. Sure some Zelda games are sequels to each other but not all of them even as a teenager i knew that idk why people wanted a timeline so bad
Since the official timeline only came to satisfy the fans, I guess you could still have your own interpretation. Personally I feel that Skyward Sword followed by Ocarina of Time followed by A Link to the Past could make up a pretty solid story together on their own
Herr der Zeiten I did, but I didn't have a youtube account back then, or if I did, it was a different one. Look at my youtube videos and compare what you see there to the original photo in the video. If you need any further proof, I have other later photos taken in the same place. I don't live in that house anymore, and I got rid of a lot of my stuff minus the powerglove, but you can definitely see the resemblance, and I can easily take more.
In the end, Zelda is just a game about having fun and it remains the same storyline and awesome gameplay we all know. It's a legend like AVGN says. What I like about Zelda is it's the same storyline in a way, yes, but there's always some twist in Zelda games that make them unique. It's the same with Mario in a way...(not to mention that some Zelda games were probably made by different developers...and that's probably where the timeline got confused...I think...)
Its very interessting, that the Angry Video Game Nerd say on Minute 14:23, that Nintendo maybe go back in the timeline as to Adam and Eve. And Skyward Swords ending, a few years after this video, is this exactly! xD
***** That's the whole point of the elegy of emptiness. It creates a shell that resembles the soul of the one who played it. That's the statues resemble Darmani and Mikau instead of Goron aand Zora Link. Link falls down holes all the time. In TP he gets shot down from a canon when he was in the City in the Sky. In Wind Waker he gets thrown a few miles across the ocean, once by the Helmaroc King and the second time when he raised the Tower of the Gods from the ocean. In Skyward Sword he falls down to the ground with an entire Island. Termina is also confirmed to be a parallel version of hyrule, it is not ''Link's Purgatory'' as MatPat falsely claimed. Not to mention that the existence of the Hero's Shade in TP completely destroys this ridiculous theory.
But even that games internal timeline doesn't make sense. It's stated that 10,000 years ago Hyrule beat Ganon with Link, Zelda, the heroes, and all their advanced technology. So what the hell happened to the advanced society? Where did all the technology go? Why did they have to dig it up and figure out how it worked again? It makes no sense because it's never explained what happened to Hyrule after they beat Ganon. If they beat him why did the civilization vanish?
@@C24U_ maybe most of their technology was destroyed in the war against Ganon? I mean, we know they succeeded, but we don't know how heavy were the casualties. Besides, a lot can happen in 10000 years; no civilization on Earth has come even close to lasting that long, so...
@@C24U_ It's literally stated in the lore that the King of Hyrule from 10,000 years ago grew afraid of the technology and banned it while cracking down hard on the Sheikah to make them abandon it. As to why everyone forgot about it. 10, 000 years is older than the entirety of human recorded history and you probably can't tell me everything that existed in the Babylonian empire can you?
Imagine if the AVGN decided to do an updated video and included all the Legend of Zelda games that came out after this video.... All the way to the upcoming Breath of the Wild 2. And he did it without knowing about the canonical Zelda Timeline.
"Twilight Princess just came out"
What a time.
I would like your comment, but *nice*
Wow
Twilight Princess is such a badass game
I feel as though if the nerd remade this one he would just rant and rave about the third timeline. "A third?! There was a third timeline?! Who comes up with that $#!%!? What were they thinking?!"
@@nomadrl91x A recent video was made by maskednintendobandit about a thing called the abandoned timeline, which makes sense to me. It has some flaws and contradictions, but it is pretty sound. It tries to alleviate the idea of link canonically dying to create a timeline for a string of zelda games.
It is remarkable how close AVGN got to the actual official timeline that was later provided within Hyrule Historia
Which ones did he get wrong?
@@angusyoung119 I've beat nearly every Zelda game and when they put out the timeline I just didn't care. It's clear that they put them out as standalone games with references to other games and just pretended they had a plan later on. Especially when I heard that at least one of them was if Link died in another. Nope, I'll read Michael Moorcock if I want that level of ambiguity in my fantasy.
@@AcidWords1 They actually have gone on record to state that there was never originally a timeline between the games. But when the theories of a timeline blew up, they decided to canonize it
@@angusyoung119 Don’t you mean: *”GANONize* it.”? **Shot** 😵🔫
@@PC_Simo No, no I don't 😉
Am I the only one that thinks that there should be an update video of this?
Nop
there needs to be one
Yeah botw
BOTW and A Link Between Worlds
Wouldn't be much point since Nintendo has given us a confirmed timeline so there isn't much speculation
"What, are Nintendo going to go so far back that they'll make a Zelda game where Link and Zelda are 'Adam' and 'Eve'?"
AVGN predicted Skyward Sword.
This episode deserves a revamp
Lmao
gamephreak5 why not adam and Steve
@@Damnto because Adam and Steve would never have been able to procreate and populate Hyrule...unless they figured out cloning...or maybe used a fairy as a surrogate mother, LOL!
I'm guessing someone's here after watching the recent Majora's Mask AVGN episode? Me too.
@@pex_the_unalivedrunk6785 me too it was such a good video only serious sounding ad was bad
It's been 29 years and there's still no sequel to Zelda 2: The Adventure of Link
It kinda reminds me of Valve and their unfinished trilogies! :P
Because Zelda 2 is at the end of the adult timeline.
Its the deciding tale that Ganons been defeated, but has an army after Links blood.
Beat the game and gain the triforce to wake up Zelda. Ganon is no more.
The Ganon from OoT is no more but it doesn't stop him from reincarnating himself like he did in the child timeline
Also Zelda 2 happen in the defeated timeline not adult
Breath of the Wild is actually the real Zelda III, check the timeline theories
Yellogre? sorry but I can shatter that Theory, I'll give you a Hint, in Breath of the wild? Look at the map and compare it to Zelda 2 ... also there's a few more in the game that you over looked.
And now we have _Breath of the Wild_ , which has references and locations from not only alternate timelines, but entire alternate worlds like Termina.
the name of every location in that game is essentially a reference to any zelda game ever
The main theory I've heard is that BOTW takes place at the very end of the timeline, and that all timelines eventually come together and end at BOTW.
Also, Termina isn't an alternate world, it's just another place like Holdrum in OoS.
WHERE are references towards termina??
Luigi Rinaldi I believe one of the dlcs includes new stuff like being able to find the Majoras mask in the game. If you can find Majoras mask in BOTW then technically speaking Termina must’ve existed in the same “timeline”.
@@GAPSYO3O1 I don't think those DLC items are to be considered canon though. Same thing goes for the Xenoblades Chronicles 2 collaboration - it doesn't mean that Xenoblade Chronicles and Zelda share the same universe, it's just a fun reference to another game.
what about an AVGN timeline?
the dude has died so many times, I don't know which video fits in where.
lol, when did he die.....
There's even a time where Board James became the AVGN. So does that mean the Board James series was a prequal to AVGN?
The Oakarina of Time
Got eem
16 likes... This is probably the least amount of likes I’ve ever seen on a verified accounts comment.
That’s also what I called it
That's actually the correct pronunciation of Ocarina. Miyamoto said it himself.
Oakarina = A ballerina who is an oak tree.
I like the one-off joke about Link and Zelda being the Adam and Eve of Hyrule and how that basically happens at the end of Skyward Sword. 14:18
me to
Mi 2
Nintendo must be watching this for ideas
@@MultiDudeman I’ve long speculated that writers will make certain details ambiguous, let the fans speculate, and then make the coolest fan theory canon.
"Are we going to go all the way back to the creation of Hyrule?"
Skyward Sword: Well actually...
Link and Zelda are pretty much the Adam and Eve of Hyrule as well
@@aeliusdawn That's what a lot of people have been saying. 😂
Here’s my explanation: There is no timeline and all the games are based on different rumors how a hero beat evil, and saved the princess and Hyrule. Makes sense since it’s called The LEGEND of Zelda.
This theory honestly makes the most sense. Its just the same story being reinterpreted over and over again.
I... Honestly like this take on the Zelda series.
@@matane2465 Except that it doesn't. Read the official timeline.
@Look behind you You can't eliminate something that was always there without rebooting the entire series.
@Look behind you Or just let people do what they want, no need to be aggressive about it dude
This vid is from the time my mom thought TH-cam gave you viruses
To be fair there used to be a lot of comments containing malwares and scams back then.
This comment is from the time where staying home and watching TH-cam prevents viruses
You need a new mom.
not the viruses are the videos and comment section themselves
She¡s kinda right, there are these weird comments that make you click on their channels and send you links to virus pages.
You fucking called it. Skyward Sword is essentially an Adam and Eve story.
***** Welp, that's what I took away from it; sorry for whatever I did.
***** It's fine, it happens to the best of us :)
ChauNyan Instead of the girl being tempted by a snake, she's plucked from the sky by Ghirahim.
lol! Yeah! He also predicted the new game, Breath of the Wild, the game that is now, literally defying everything we all know now.
I was literally scanning the comments to see if anyone had posted this yet. Although the story of Link and Hylia could alternatively be the Adam and Eve story.
Here's my explanation: it was all a dream in Luigi's mind
Actually...after long last, and after Link beat the shit out of Ganandorf in smash bros. melee...Zelda finally woke up, and that's where we learned that these timelines all took place in her dreams.
No wonder they didn't make any fucking sense...
We have... A sequel to the original, a prequel to the original, a sequel to the prequel, a prequel to the prequel, and a sequel to the young link of the prequel's prequel! WHAT THE FUCK!
+MrGamerTH yeah basically.
+MrGamerTH The technical term for the sequel to Young Link would be a midquel actually, but I don't know if James knew of that word.
And then they all kissed and got super pregnant
So this is a vid from 2009, originally from 2006, updated, in 2008 and now its 2015 and soon 2016. Damn, this video is almost as complex as the zelda timeline.
+Bison Ware fucking yolo
Hi from 2019
And then I'm rewatching it in 2019
and I'm watching it in 2019 about to be 2020
And my axe!!!
Love how Miyamoto's gesture is like "I got nothing to do with this timeline crap" xD
He probably doesn't even care, as creating the awesome gameplay of the Zelda franchise is all that truly matters!
Because he stopped being involved with Zelda when there was only 5 games that were connected in a linear way?
Miyamoto probably was on shrooms when they asked him!!!
@@Luke-xi2pq in the hyrule historia it recalls him coming up with the idea for zelda and him stating he didn't care about telling an expanded story or creating a connected universe.
@@SuperBrictson lol no he wasn’t. He was completely stabled when he said that.
We have... a sequel to the original.
A prequel to the original.
A sequel to the prequel.
A prequel to the prequel.
And a sequel to the young Link of the prequel's prequel.
WTF!?
***** My brain can't stand it
Five nights at Freddys in a nutshell.
I'm sorry, I'll let my self out...
***** At least it actually makes sense now, thanks to the Downfall Timeline being added to the Child and Adult Timelines. There's no way all that stuff could've happened in just the two.
***** Wind Waker's backstory is more than just a "loose" connection to Ocarina; it is verified in WW as actually having taken place before WW.
oh look there's my brain, it's going, it's going... it's gone!
So ironic after skyward sword they made an official timeline. Years ago I believe in Nintendo power there was an interview where either Iwata ,when he was still alive, or possibly Miyamoto said he liked to think of each adventure as its own separate story....you know...a LEGEND. Nintendo kind of bowed to fan pressure by cobbling a timeline together.
The fact that one of the major time splits is where link dies shows that there never was rhyme or reason to these games in terms of a timeline
@@kotov909 Maybe it was all thrown together at the last minute, but I'd still rather have it than not have it.
@@kotov909 It makes sense with the multiverse theory.
@@user-fe8gx3ie5v get the multiverse outta here...OR...multiverse it, then reverse it. [take your pick]
BS, the timeline has been documented internally by Miyamoto and Aonuma since long before it got released publically
2008: It's really hard to get angry at Zelda.
Cut to 2019 where the Majora's Mask review is uploaded
@@doubleflores8350 the game was awesome
Fight me
People change with age, as do opinions.
I originally watched this when I was about 15. I didn't have literary any experience of these games. This gave me the awe to start them. So James, as a fellow James, thank you. This started a love of mine that I cannot express in words, and you were the one to start it. As games were a an influential thing in your life, you were in mine. From cinema, to older games, you really influenced me a lot growing up. For that, I thank you.
The Irony of him being right about the adam and eve of hyrule eventually being a thing with Skyward Sword absolutely kills me.
I don't know shit about Zelda, I just like to hear the nerd talk about stuff.
***** you're missing out tho
In my land only ~3.5 of 100000 people know about that games.
+George Kush Same here. I only played Ocarina of Time ages ago when I was about 8 years old. I just gotta watch every Nerd episode.
My entire TH-cam recommendations are avgn lmao I cud listen to him all day
+MrMajorasmask101 No, he really isn't. Zelda games are kind of lacking in seriousness, sense, and story, so there isn't much to miss out on.
Now, let's try to make a Mario timeline.
***** Zelda has no official timeline and there are many games too. Did you see the video?
+Divide et Empera no it has an official timeline
It has an official timeline that was slapped together by Miyamoto while he was taking a shit, you could easily do something similar for Mario.
+peelsreklaw then with his awesomeness (or something) he got nintendo to publish that shit and some more shit was added by some others and then BOOM! a motherfucking book
@118116106394172019662 I don't mean all Nintendo games, I mean every (almost) every Mario game: Bowser takes Peach with him -> Mario rescues her.
I would love to see him do an update to this timeline, and still question all the inconsistencies
Same here.
An accurate representation of the timeline situation before HH came along. This video is a precious piece of history.
Now we have Skyward Sword, Spirit Tracks, Link Between Worlds, Hyrule Warriors, Triforce Heroes, and Breath of the Wild. We need an update, Nerd!
He doesn't need to update it. Nintendo already released a complete timeline for the series.
This may still be my favorite AVGN video. You can really tell James has a love for this franchise
8:24
"It's just a game, so who gives a sh*t...?"
Ninja: *Squirms internally*
I love JAMES and all and i respect the living legend BUT, he sometimes should know better than to say some kind of things regardding videogames - which should be his stuff lready -, as Videogames are literally by modern humanity respected as movies... i'm not even trying to be a try hard millenial wise man, is something you can just literaly feel if you're well inmerzed in both communities.
And where does Mario Kart 8 fit in to this?
Ryan Chhim Does the zelda univers make an apperance there?
right between the part with godzilla and the donkey kong poker game.
Johndude Link is a DLC racer in it, if I recall correctly.
Luigicat11 And what about the Smash Bros. games?
MrCrossa I don't think that they are canonically connected to the main LoZ universe, but there may be evidence that points to me being wrong about this. Nintendo has ways of connecting every franchise they have in one way or another...
Godzilla, King of The Monster
Godzilla Raids Again
King Kong vs. Godzilla
Ghidorah, the Three-Headed Monster
Mothra vs. Godzilla
Invasion of Astro-Monster
Godzilla vs. the Sea Monster
Son of Godzilla
Destroy All Monsters
All Monsters Attack
Godzilla vs. Hedorah
Godzilla vs. Gigan
Godzilla vs. Megalon
Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla
Terror of Mechagodzilla
The Return of Godzilla
Godzilla vs. Biollanta
Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah
Godzilla & Mothra: The Battle for Earth
Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II
Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla
Godzilla vs. Destoroya
Godzilla 2000: Millennium
Godzilla vs. Megaguirus
Godzilla, Mothra and King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack
Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla
Godzilla: Tokyo S.O.S.
Godzilla: Final Wars
Godzilla
WTF!!!???
I get what you're trying to say, but Godzilla movies Follow a linear path. At least until "Godzilla: Destroy All monsters" In the movie it's made clear that it's in the future. So the movie after that is a continuation on the movie before destroy all monsters. After that the continue on that storyline until they Recton all of the stories after the original several times before they can reach destroy all monsters in the chronological timeline. Eventually The retcon it a final time and continue on until Godzilla final wars. But I have no fucking clue where the 2014 movie comes in to apply for the movies that are coming out later like the Toho one next year. Hope that helps!
Eric Kleppel wow I'm dumb! I am a Godzilla fanboy yet I didn't know that! Thank you! And I think 2014 ether comes after King of the Monsters and the other movies never happened or King Of the Monsters never happened.
CoolGaminginc You mess up the list a bit. Ghidorah, the Three Headed Monster came after Mothra vs Godzilla, not before. Mothra vs Godzilla came out after King Kong vs Godzilla.
Robert Ramos oh yeah! Well when you're trying too list all of these movies your bound to get something wrong.
CoolGaminginc I guess that's true.
Damm this video was made 10 years ago. Time bloody flies :(
Not quite yet!
I think this is a reupload since the aspect ratio is off, so it might actually be ten years old.
Kinky Sketch
Nope!
in two months it will be
james litterally says at the start of this video that the video was made in 2006 lol
Wow, Hyrule Historia really threw a wrench into most people‘s speculations 😂
It was actually very similar to what AVGN created.
And then Hyrule Historia was made.
YUP
YUP
which had more questions than answers
+james sutter Yep
I agree on having no official timeline. Like most Final Fantasy games, Zelda focuses on gameplay and addition of new game mechanics instead of a continuation of sorts. I'm fine with that, just wanted to see if the game could pick up after II and see how Hyrule progressed.
"My boi, this timeline makes me wonder what's for dinner."
A crock of shit.
+TheGCritic that's why I watch AVGN's videos, nothing bad round herrr
***** "OAH!"
"NOT INTO THE PIT, IT BURNS"
Accidentally disliked
"Excuuuuuuuuse me, Princess!"
+Beartallica86 and that's why link doesn't talk....
+Beartallica86 "Yeah, that DID sound Douchey."
fuck that shit!
Damn, saw this comment when he said it lol.
Oh boy smooching time
I feel like BOTW and TOTK abandoned the timeline entirely. They decided the timeline should be left to the past, and they want to make a completely new universe with its own timeline.
Botw just merged the 3 timelines
@@yurin4402wtf does that mean?
@@accountrandomnumber182 the old timeline has becomes sorta like myths basically, as the botw timeline takes place thousands of years after that. So the three seperate timelines are just some sort of an old village tale that was picked up through generations.
Zelda is like the Mt. Dew of video games; so many flavors.
Doritos
420
My.Dew
vader545 I would disagree. There are WAY more Mountain Dew variants. I've drank over 30.
And they all taste good
Basically, a shitton of flavors for something that seems so simple.
i don't think nintendo ever meant to have a timeline established. Like the nerd said, "it's just a game. Who gives a shit."
According to the IGN Nintendo podcast, Nintendo once told them to not take the timeline too seriously.
+ricardo But the games themselves vary on how much they consider the idea of a timeline geniune. I wouldn't been confused or agitated if they decided one way or the other, but THEY don't even know whether they want a concrete timeline to exist or not.
+ricardo I think they changed their mind, it's clear from the official timeline's plot holes that they didn't plan it out in advance, but the recent games (especially Skyward Sword) makes it seem like they care more about the timeline now.
Cause who needs a story in a beloved video game franchise. amirit?
I don't care if I killed ganon and he somehow comes back. I like to bury my sword in his face no matter what
"Maybe it will go back to Link and Zelda being the Adam and Eve of Hyrule"
This video was before Skyward Sword right? Because if it was then this is hilarious
*Team Fortress 3*
*Left 4 Dead 3*
*Portal 3*
*Half Life 3*
*Zelda 3*
*Y U NO MAKE THESE GAMES?!!*
Valve is largely responsible for the incompetence of not developing some of these games, lol!
megaman legends 3
Dustin Sudbrink That’s a prequel. They haven’t made a Zelda 3. That’s the point of the video you watched.
Video about chronology is ironically released years after being created
I want to know what James thinks of Breath of the Wild
Xcyper33 same
he loves it. he talked about it in a recent video I think on James and Mike Mondays or something. Pretty sure he said he completed every single shrine.
I know Mike was basically begging for it before they even announced it
Josh McIver Completing every shrine in Breath of the Wild is an adventure in itself. It literally felt like I was Link going through that crap.
@@HLHReviews He actually comments on it in his newest video on Majora's Mask. I think he likes it!
10:48. Sweeeet! James used my video in this AVGN episode (number of rupees, number of hearts, and items being used are exactly the same). I feel so honored that one of my favorite videogame reviewers used one of my videos! Thank you so much!
Thanks, James! Read your book, and have watched (and rewatched) all your AVGN movies.
Love this video, cant believe this is 10 years old now
I wonder how James felt about them making ANOTHER prequel with Skyward Sword. Id love to see him do an update to this video talking about it.
when it comes down to it, Zelda is a great series of games that people love. The fact that so many people dedicate extra time to try and expand on the game is proof of that.
9:49
Zelda 3: Yet another adventure to defeat an evil pig and obtain triangular cheese.
This video is still legendary today, even today. I always come back and rewatch at least once every 6 months
here to bring u back
“Or it’ll go back to when link and Zelda were the Adam and Eve of hyrule”
Too true, avgn.
I dont mind Time Line theories; I've come up with quite a few myself over the years for Zelda. But there was always one little word that kept me from trying to make every little detail work in the Zelda universe and time line - "Legend." These games aren't detailed events in the history of Hyrule, they are legends that are told. Sure, if we wanted to put together a bible of Hyrule Legends documenting the events of the mythical land and its hero's we could, but they would still be just that. LEGENDS. And I think that's my favorite part about the series; yes they appear to be connected in some way but the details are fuzzy and each legend is supposed to be it's own unique tale. And thats one of the reasons I love it so much. great episode, AVGN! :)
Coop Cheese A Zelda "Bible" already exists, it's called Hyrule Historia.
This has been debunked many times.
There is a "bible" of Zelda. It's called the Hyrule Historia. Also, just because the word "legend" is in the title doesn't mean anything.
It's been 10 years since the upload, and now there's Breath of the Wild and people waiting for the actual sequel of BotW!
I just prefer to think that there is one "Legend of Zelda" and each game is a retelling of that legend, with different elements changed.
But seriously, I don't really care if there actually is a timeline... It's just a freaking game! lol
I’d love to see an updated timeline with all the games that have come out since this was originally put out. It would be interesting to see the Nerd’s updated take on it😊
Oh boy, when you read the Sonic the hedgehog chronology you're head will explode.
Mortal Kombat
@@subzero8679 MK is straightforward. MK1-4, Deadly Alliance, Deception, Armageddon and then the beginning of MK9 happen in order. Then its MKX and now MK11/Aftermath.
The main exception is MKvsDC. It is Mortal Kombat 8, but it doesn't really fit into the Midway continuity nor the NRS one. Still, Sub Zero/Raiden mention it when they were guests in INJ2 and the Joker hints at it in MK11.
Five Nights at Freddy’s.
Kirby
What about Mario?
2019???
i still feel like a 12 year old kid
9:52 The customized Zelda 3 game cover is probably the best part of the video for me.
17:35 Ssssshhhhhh. We don't acknowledge their existence.
"It also explains how Link got his hat."
Uh oh...
Uh oh what?
@@HarryIndeed At least one game came out after this video with a totally contradictory story about the hat, so I can imagine how bad the Nerd flipped out when he saw that.
@@coalcreekdefense8106 Which game explains how Link got his hat? And how did he if you don't mind me asking you?
He already has a hat in Skyward sword is what they mean
@@gauvain572 I assumed he was talking about the minnish hat
I'm rewatching all 200 episodes all the way through after Mike talked about some of the specifics of his involvement with the series. I believe he said he wrote this one while James was under the weather.
According to Nintendo themselves, there are 3 Timelines, They SHOULD make a New Zelda game set AFTER Adventure of Link.
Maybe the new Zelda coming in 2016?
+Conrado Javier
Yes, but that timeline was retconed from pressure of the fans. It's not like they created that timeline as they were making the games.
+Matt (SaltyMcZub)
They though it was the one that made the most sense... with the time travel in Ocarina of time fucking shit up in 3 alternate reality
+Magus Perdé and did they really need a timeline explaining what would happen if the player lost to Ganon in Ocarina of time and then gave up and ragequit?
Tyler S Well it was a way to be sure every game was in it
"' It kicks so much ass it makes you forget about it" too true
Funny how he said many Zelda fans couldn't bear the thought of another prequel (14:30). Skyward Sword, which came out a couple years after this, is a prequel to The Minish Cap and is also the earliest game on the official timeline, which also came out a couple years after this video
Comparing this video to the Kingdom Hearts timeline video is night and day, you can tell James was actually passionate about these games, when he never even played a KH game before
What about the SHIN MEGAMI TENSEI timeline?
What? No?
Okay, I'll just go sit back down and wait for Persona 5.
Hang in there bro! We're almost there :'V
Damn this is old
Hey now you can wait for SMT5
8:00
2006: and that’s playing a George Lucas.
2019: and that’s playing a J.K. Rowling!
Lol
Nintendo used that idea that link and Zelda are the Adam and Eve of hyrule
With skyward sword
Zelda III : The Adventure of Dampé
18 years later the Nerd still understands the Zelda timeline better than most fans.
A Link to the Past. Almost 30 years old, has had millions of games come after it and still, it’s one of the best games ever made!
The way I always saw it, there may not even be a linear timeline since it is a legend. Legends are interpreted in many different ways which is why there are always different weapons and some names carry over. It’s a legend told in many different ways
It's funny that with the Breath of the Wild Sequel, we might finally get an answer (and that answer being it's basically Multiverse Theory and there's several different timelines. And as Trunks and Cell said in Dragon Ball Z Abridged... Multiverse Theory is a bitch...)
I think Skyward Sword's excuse kind of works for it all. Still like he says there doesn't seem to be any sort of planned timeline.
"Well excuuuuuuse me James Rolfe"
A theory that no one has thought of saying. What if each Zelda game is the same? Its all just retellings of the same story, through different story tellers, much like how old ancient myths were the same story at its root, just the details were changed from teller to teller because it was all word of mouth. I doubt it would be true, but its just an interesting way to take the story line.
Same as godzilla movie
The intro story from a Link to the Past is actually the story of Ocarina of Time. The 7 sages locking Ganon away is the whole quest. Therefore Link to the past happened far after OoT. Linking to the past is a way to connect back to that original time in OoT.
Skyward Sword was yet another prequel, lol
SodaGamer HD Isn't the Skyward Sword Manga established as non-cannon? I don't believe it goes with the timeline
Maybe Breath of the Wild turn out being another prequel.
No it actually is said to happen some where after twilight princess
TheBlackHikikomoriGamer it makes sense that it is at the end of the timeline when you see the tech that was in the trailer and the demo of the game that they played.
Jose Colella this is the 3rd time i have seen you comment
Ah, the days when Nintendo hadn't revealed the official Zelda timeline.
14:13 Holy shit, AVGN totally called Skyward Sword before it happened!
Holy crap James looked good back then without glasses
He still looks pretty good today. He doesn't really look like he's 39, he looks more around 32 or so. Either he has good genes or he eats right
@@DrDolan2000 or it's all that Rolling Rock he drinks 🤣
...and we go back EVEN further with Skyward Sword. A sequel to Zelda II with the SAME Link please!
Wrong
i miss read the comment, and thought you where saying skyward sword was after zelda2
read Hyrule Historia
I own it. Read it front to back. You can borrow it if you need to.
+Rikk Wolf I have always thought since they announced the historia this was a dumb concept. Sure some Zelda games are sequels to each other but not all of them even as a teenager i knew that idk why people wanted a timeline so bad
Since the official timeline only came to satisfy the fans, I guess you could still have your own interpretation. Personally I feel that Skyward Sword followed by Ocarina of Time followed by A Link to the Past could make up a pretty solid story together on their own
twilight princess was a sequel to a sequel to the young link of the prequel's prequel....what a mouthful!
I can't believe this was recorded almost 20 years ago
I'm in this video!!!! Well, a picture of me is... go to 12:42
Bragging rights. :D
you are beautiful
dude do a video with you explaining your presence
Herr der Zeiten I did, but I didn't have a youtube account back then, or if I did, it was a different one. Look at my youtube videos and compare what you see there to the original photo in the video. If you need any further proof, I have other later photos taken in the same place. I don't live in that house anymore, and I got rid of a lot of my stuff minus the powerglove, but you can definitely see the resemblance, and I can easily take more.
***** wtf???
Fun fact: “A Link to the Past” is called “Triforce of the Gods” in Japan.
In the end, Zelda is just a game about having fun and it remains the same storyline and awesome gameplay we all know. It's a legend like AVGN says. What I like about Zelda is it's the same storyline in a way, yes, but there's always some twist in Zelda games that make them unique. It's the same with Mario in a way...(not to mention that some Zelda games were probably made by different developers...and that's probably where the timeline got confused...I think...)
I like James he sounds like a genuinely nice guy and the nerd character is great acting
Its very interessting, that the Angry Video Game Nerd say on Minute 14:23, that Nintendo maybe go back in the timeline as to Adam and Eve. And Skyward Swords ending, a few years after this video, is this exactly! xD
I love the chronologically confused episodes the nerd should do some more some day
"Maybe it'll go back to Link and Zelda being the Adam and Eve of Hyrule"
Lmao, predicted Skyward Sword
And now with Skyward Sword, A Link between Worlds and Breath of the Wild (and the Spin Offs)
Heh. The Hyrule Historia created a timeline a few years after this video. The split timeline is now canon.
I guess you could say it's... GANON CANON!
(Am I gonna get sued?)
TlalocGaming Nope. Just gonna get fired out of an Ooccoo cannon.
***** I see what you did there!
Lol
***** That's the whole point of the elegy of emptiness. It creates a shell that resembles the soul of the one who played it. That's the statues resemble Darmani and Mikau instead of Goron aand Zora Link.
Link falls down holes all the time.
In TP he gets shot down from a canon when he was in the City in the Sky. In Wind Waker he gets thrown a few miles across the ocean, once by the Helmaroc King and the second time when he raised the Tower of the Gods from the ocean.
In Skyward Sword he falls down to the ground with an entire Island.
Termina is also confirmed to be a parallel version of hyrule, it is not ''Link's Purgatory'' as MatPat falsely claimed.
Not to mention that the existence of the Hero's Shade in TP completely destroys this ridiculous theory.
10:11 Oh, you would simply love Drakengard storyline...
"Well exccuuuusseeee me" I replayed that 6 times.
November 2006? Wow...the intro is pretty cool though...
At least Breath Of The Wild is apparently set in the future, so far in the future that all other games are considered legends. . . Like the title.
But even that games internal timeline doesn't make sense. It's stated that 10,000 years ago Hyrule beat Ganon with Link, Zelda, the heroes, and all their advanced technology. So what the hell happened to the advanced society? Where did all the technology go? Why did they have to dig it up and figure out how it worked again? It makes no sense because it's never explained what happened to Hyrule after they beat Ganon. If they beat him why did the civilization vanish?
@@C24U_ maybe most of their technology was destroyed in the war against Ganon? I mean, we know they succeeded, but we don't know how heavy were the casualties. Besides, a lot can happen in 10000 years; no civilization on Earth has come even close to lasting that long, so...
@@C24U_ It's literally stated in the lore that the King of Hyrule from 10,000 years ago grew afraid of the technology and banned it while cracking down hard on the Sheikah to make them abandon it. As to why everyone forgot about it. 10, 000 years is older than the entirety of human recorded history and you probably can't tell me everything that existed in the Babylonian empire can you?
14:19 You totally called it!!!
Link and Zelda are Adam and Eva in Skyward Sword.
Imagine if the AVGN decided to do an updated video and included all the Legend of Zelda games that came out after this video.... All the way to the upcoming Breath of the Wild 2.
And he did it without knowing about the canonical Zelda Timeline.
I'm just waiting for AVGN to come out with a new video trying to make sense of the Tears of the Kingdom timeline