Tanfoglio Witness Stock II 1000 Round Review (CZ Comparison)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ธ.ค. 2021
- The Stock 2 is one of the most successful competition pistols of all time. It's been around the block time and time again, known for its accuracy, reliability, and speed, but how does it keep up against modern day offerings?
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The tanfoglio 10 mm was the first gun I ever fired that hit everything I aimed at right out of the box. There was no learning curve. It just hit like a laser. Excellent pistol.
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This pistol reminds me of our old family station wagon with the chrome bumpers and wood paneling sides. Oh the memories
My family recently inherited a TA90 from my grandfather's police days in the 80s, I think. That gun continually wows people with the smoothness of its action, its accuracy, and ease of use.
Merry Christmas ! Love the Tanfoglio and CZ videos.... The favorites in my safe for sure
Merry Christmas MR. AND MRS. OUTLAW!!!! love y'all. Be safe and have a blast.
I've got the Stock 3 and the Hunter, both in 10mm.
In my opinion, it beats CZ all day long since CZ still does not make a 10mm...LOL
I haven't been here long enough to know about you, but my wife isn't so much a gun person. When she gives me aesthetic opinions, it carries a different weight than someone who is an avid shooter.
I appreciate hearing what your wife thinks. I honestly think it adds to the video
Merry Christmas to you and your family as well as your viewers and their families. Stay safe and healthy. Thank you for all you do. This is a beauty for sure!♠️☯️🎩🏁🎅🖖🤘👌🎯🎯🎯
Merry Christmas
I have had mine for 20 plus years in 41EA and love the gun more than anything else I own.
Merry Christmas to Mr. and Mrs. Outlaw!
Hope Mrs. Outlaw and you have a very blessed and Merry Christmas. God bless you all.
Christmas morning and Outlaw comes out with a video! Bonus !
Merry Christmas to you and your family! Thanks for another great year of content!
Merry Christmas Outlaw! Can’t wait to see your Girsan 1911 9mm 1000 round review
For Christmas I picked myself out a SAR Arms sarsilmaz p8s. CZ 75 clone from Turkey. The quality seems very nice for a Turkish clone. This is my first CZ 75 variant gun and they feel great to shoot. I like it much more than the 1911 I had when I was younger.
Merry Christmas love the channel
Merry Christmas, I really enjoy your work!
Merry Christmas and thanks for all the videos
My witness in .45 acp is several years old now the double action was tight at first but it broke in nice ,the slide was also tight when it was new , but over 5k rounds later its never jammed and it has never failed to please me mine also has the .22 barrel and mag conversion option the .22 occasionally has a feed issue but nothing major .. i bought extra mags for both from EAA ...
Only the Tanfoglio's built on their larger 45acp frame do not take the standard CZ75 mags .. the ones built on the 9mm frame use standard CZ mags .. This particular model is built on a 45 frame and uses proprietary 9mm mags to fit its larger frame.
It is possible to shim the back of the Large Frame Tanfoglio Magazine Well to use 17 and 19 round Cz75B Magazines.
@@jwc00789 The Tanfoglio is a bit more ergonomic copy of a CZ-75, which is a design stolen from the Browning High-Power by the Chechs, working off instructions given by the Soviets back in the day. I have one - I like it.
Note that the Israeli 'Baby Eagle' 9 mm also uses CZ 75 mags.
@@jwc00789 You know more about CZ type handguns than anyone. Over 8000 posts on the Original CZ Forum! Thanks for sharing...again!
@@joeevans1687 You are most Welcome!
I tried this pistol for the first time at a gun range in Bali, Indonesia and was astounded by its accuracy. Its actually better than the glock 17. Great product from Italy.
Never see Tanfoglio products in my area. Merry Christmas Outlaws!
Shooting the stock 3 xtreme with all the Eric Grauffel parts. 5.5 in DA/ 1.8 in SA. By far my favorite competition gun.
I would like to hear your opinion on a fully tricked out tanfo VS your shadow 2. These things are hard to beat in production division
MERRY CHRISTMAS to you and your Mrs. I own an early EAA Witness/Tangfolio. It's dual tone. Love to shoot it. Down side is It's to heavy for this old man to carry on daily basis. Mine uses CZ75 magazines. Really like EAA Witness the polymer Witness not so much. I also own a Bounty Hunter and used it to shoot SASS.
I have a wittness
match in SAO. It came(I am the second owner) with the already upgraded flat trigger and Dawson Precission sights. It is pretty much just as good as a CZ. I also have a CZ 75 Shadow 2 orange.Both are very fine pistols. I would highly recomend either. If you haven't shot either. You are really missing out.
Merry Christmas brother keep up the good work.
I would also love to see you do a vid. on my favorite round, the .38 Super. I have a Rock River 1911 in that caliber and a Colt M i911 in .38 Super also! I just hope that in the future someone makes a double stack mag. CZ or 1911 Commander size pistol in .38 Super. I call the round my 9 MM magnum!
Great pistol great review love the channel
Appreciate you comparing the two.
Merry Christmas 🎄
3:10 the Shadow 2 actually has a 4.9" barrel so almost half an inch longer and with the longer frame that adds a decent amount of weight. The SP-01 has a 4.6" barrel.
As I have had a Shadow 2 for 3 years now with no problems and it came with 3 magazines there's no need to buy one of these! Marry Christmas!
Happy Holidays to you and the Shooter you're married to. Dwight, the GLOCK guy, Glendale Arizona... Good stuff, thanks for posting.
I had one almost 20 yrs ago. Should never have sold it. Not sure why I did. One of my favorite pistols. I'm more of a rifle guy and probably looking for moa accuracy. If I recall it was deal in price at the time being cheaper than the 1911s of the time. Accuracy was very good. Fit in my medium sized hand was very comfortable and recoil was very controllable. If the Laugo doesn't come out with an Alien in 45 soon I'll buy another Witness and never sell it.
Imo the best looking handgun of all time. Great video!
Santa Outlaw coming through with the Christmas video.
Merry Christmas Outlaw family
Merry Christmas Outlaws
i have one of these in 10mm. love this gun
Happy New Year. I would love to see a review of the SA-35
Got my Tanfoglio Stock Master this week. Stock II with longer barrel and slide, rails on the dust cover, slide cutouts, fiber-optic front sight. Basically addresses most of your complaints on the video.
The hard chrome finish is so good looking, I didn't have to explain to my wife the $1300 ish price tag, lol.
Love my Limited version with a crisp, short-reset single-action-only action. Accurate and very reliable. Great ergonomics. Only paid approx 1000 usd +tax
Merry Christmas 🎅
I have 2 CZ P07's at this point and they are my favorite gun. I will have more CZ's for sure!
The PO7 is the perfect do all pistol IMO. It is my intention to get involved in competitive shooting with the sole reason is to become very proficient with my pistol. So these purpose built pistols for competition are very nice and sexy, but I will be carrying and competing with my "duty" style P07. I don't care if I cannot win all the time... but if the need ever arises to point it at a bad guy, he will instantly regret some life decisions at that moment.
I had, and really liked my CZ P-07. The problem was, I also brought my Tanfo to the range.
Just made the CZ feel (comparatively) like crap.
Had I never had the Tanfo, I would have loved the CZ.
I now own my newest favorite gun, the CZ Shadow 2 and boy howdy do I like shooting that gun BUT one day at the gun store I picked and held and caressed a CZ Shadow 2 compact and I fell immediately in love with the feel in my hand. It WILL be my nezt gun! No doubt.
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@@johnarcher9480 The P07 is a CZ but not a CZ75 design. All witnesses are CZ75 design. That’s why it feels much different.
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Well, i mean, they are very similar. But the P07 is more of a duty gun.
The trigger is not nearly as nice. Im sure I could improve it, that and the slide wasn’t as nice.
Just personal preference. Its a great gun, just don’t bring better guns at the same time 😉
Hello Honest Outlaw. I have the Taurus G3 per your recommendation and I do love it but I do find the recoil a little tough to control. I am a new shooter. Is there any other 9mm handguns (beside the crazy expensive alien :) ) that you might suggest as a replacement or should I just get better at controlling the recoil?
I honestly do not understand how it is possible that more Tangfolios aren't imported. It's a fantastic firearm at a fantastic price.
But until it is I feel like I have a secret knowledge every time I buy one.
And you could get them in 10 mm🤩🇺🇸
The CZ clone market is pretty big with the Jericho, Cherokee, Sar, and so on
I have one 10mm and I 💚it ‼️‼️
I kick myself all the time for selling mine
@@redeye8526 Jericho are Tanfoglio parts assembled in Israel. SAR are Tanfoglio parts assembled in the Philippines.
"It's a fantastic firearm at a fantastic price."
With a terible importer. However EAA isn't importing Tanfoglio any more. Now they are distributed by IFG.
I almost bought one of these this month - nice gun. I believe that it is a hard chrome finish rather than stainless steel.
It's a hard chrome finish. i have one in 9mm. Love it. Shoot uspsa with it. It has a lot of weight to it. which I like. Makes recoil negligible. Only downside is the handle is real fat. Would not be a gun for people with small hands and short fingers. But I have real big meat hooks for hands and it fits perfect for me.
It is a very good looking gun, and the misses would know! That's too bad about that close to 15 lb double action trigger pull. Another good video. Merry Christmas to you and Mrs outlaw.
Polish the internals and the DA drops to around 7lb
I like fiocchi...made here in the great state of Missouri. Need a good firearms manufacturer to setup here.
Merry Christmas guys
hello (first of all I regret my vocabulary. I'm helping myself with google translator) I have a tanfoglio stock III. very similar to stock II. the double action is really tough. So for the competition, the mechanism is worked or it is replaced by some parts (xtreme), it would be very helpful to make a comparison between the shadow 2 and the Tanfoglio but in its extreme version. I think it would be a more fair comparison. I love your channel. my congratulations from Argentina
Reeeally close to my early 90's "Sport Long Slide" except for the lack of an extended mag release.
Merry Christmas!!
Still waiting to see a comparison between your P-07 and P-01, I haven’t seen too many updates on those in a while, maybe a Tangfolio would make a good direct comparison as well!
I have 3 of the witness 9mm and i love em!
Merry Christmas!
I would really appreciate a Stock 3 review to compare the two
The difference in trigger travel in respect to the CZ Shadow is not due to "modernity". Is due to the CZ lacking the firing pin block. The same thing that makes the CZ it unfit for home defense, despite the rail, since dropping the gun in that situation is too much likely to not be taken into account.
Yes, that's because the shadow is the competition version of the 75 sp01. The sp01 is more than fit for homedefense, the shadow should stay where it was designed for, competitions.
Out of curiosity, were you malfs using 115 gr ammo? It has seemed to me that that type of action just kinda hates lighter ammo. I have run into a few of them where I just don't shoot anything lighter than 124s. I think the 115s I usually had nose up ftf s had a shorter oal also. SO, I just stay away from lighter shorter ammo.
Merry Christmas outlaw and miss
My favorite gun I own. So pretty.
Merry Christmas 🎉🎊
How do pistols with light springs do with full power ammo? I see people racking slides with their pinky and I wonder how the recoil is
Chris, have you ever shot a Sig 210? The CZ-75 is basically a Sig P210 that is DA/SA versus SA only. CZ gets all the credit for the design but truthfully it is Sig that should be touted as the brilliance behind the platform that so many have grown to love. If you can imagine a well tuned 1911 trigger in a CZ-75 then you owe it to yourself to shoot the P210 because it is just that a CZ-75 with a 1911esque SA firing group.
I love CZ-75 pistols and am in no way taking anything away from them; however, the Sig 210 had served as a preferred police and military sidearm starting in 1948. You could easily mistake the Sig for a CZ if only giving it a quick glance, and then the obvious differences will draw you in because the grip panels and trigger will baffle you as to when CZ started offering a 75 in that configuration. Hope you and the family had a great holiday.
Always wondered about these guns!!
If you like the Stock 2, check out a limited custom with Patriot Defense internals. 14k flawless rounds, and damn accurate. Slide has loosened up a bit, but the barrel is still super tight.
I agree. Love my Limited
@@jmpoulsen1 I think everyone does lol. When I first got into pistols at the age of 19, I couldn't understand why anyone would spend over $1,000 on one. Started shooting competition at 21. Using a stock Beretta 92, I was getting my ass handed to me. Had a buddy of mine let me shoot his CZ 75 SP-01 Shadow. Been stuck on CZ, Tanfoglio, and Sphinx ever since.
@@derekcooley9345 I shoot the witness stock 2. Cost me $1,100 after shooting almost a year my friend bought a cz shadow 2. It was $1,500. His trigger is smoother but both are real nice pistols.
I have the Tanfoglio Witness Steel in 10mm. It's a great piece at a great price. However, apparently Tanfoglio & EAA had a falling out & now they're not supporting them any longer. I asked at the shop I purchased from & they said they do not know when/where service will be available.
IFG now imports Tanfoglio guns.
can you do a CZP09? the full size sweetness thats the polymer version to the cz 75
Such a great looking gun.
Hope you had a great Christmas
I have a stock III, love it
In a lot of your videos you mention some competition shooters. Could you do a video on some of the best competition and/or general marksman and maybe what they shoot? Just a thought
Have you tried the sar k12 sport? I'd love to get your thoughts.
This gun is definitely on my list.
I had an EAA witness with the wonder finish in 10mm. It was a damn nice looking pistol but it couldn’t cycle a full magazine of 10mm without malfunctioning so I got rid of it.
Haven't had a problem out of my Hunter, as gone through over 200 rounds flawlessly.
They love Italian ammo
Not using 75 mags is a major mistake IMO
This actually depends on whether you get a small-frame or large-frame tanfo. Small-frames use cz75 mags.
This is a large frame variant. The large frame can shoot .45 ACP and 10mm, that don't fit in a CZ frame and mag.
the small frame variants are compatible with 75 mags.
Noob question. Is the only way to get away from the first shot being a double action to get a striker fired gun? In competition?
Excellent review! Can you swap the DA/SA trigger to a SAO trigger like a CZ 75 SP-01? Are internal parts interchangeable with CZ parts?
Yes
No
Do they have this same pistol, but in 10mm?
We love you anyways even though you don't see screws that go horizontal on rear sights 😀Lots of aftermarket support gets these where they need to be. You could argue the same about CZ2s except they at least come with a FO front sight, and better trigger OOTB. If you do a comparison - make sure it's against a stock S2 vs a stock Stock2. Otherwise you need to throw a bunch of Patriot Defense parts in your Stock 2 to make it fair. Hell... have them work it over and then you'll really be able to see what a Stock 2 can do.
Reminds me of Bren 10 from first season of Miami Vice. Don Johnson's carry piece. Of course CZ inspired.
Loved that gun. Too bad the Bren 10 didn't last long.
Never knew or heard of tanfoglio till a guy in my area used one to kill 3 of 4 guys who ran into his and tried to rob (injured the 4th) the one guy who ran into the street but continued shooting at him was hit once in the head at something like 28 meters (30 yards) and now I finally why he was confident in making that shot.. Not sure of the model tho
That is a great looking pistol!
Just buy a lighter hammer spring from cajun. Its about $10 go with a 15lb for reliability the DA will drop to like 8 or 9lbs and the SA will be closer to 4 lb or atleast thats how my Jericho was. It was initially a 20lb stock hammer spring with a 12 lb DA and 5 ish SA
EAA is no longer importing Tanfos (no longer listed on their site). Italian Firearms Group/IFG is now conducting imports.
Thanks , I have the 45 steel compact that I picked up about 5 tears ago. It was used and a great buy for what I was willing to spend.
I seem to remember a review of a "budget" cz75 knock off. Can anyone point me I the right direction to that review?
Dang dude, take a day off it's Christmas !! But thanks for the video.
Please review the bul armory sas II tac 4.25.
Hey man, love your vids, am I blind or you’ve never done a top 5 or 10 45 acp video?
Tanfoglio started the Witness line of pistols kind of cloning the CZ that cloned the Hi Power but now they aren't really clones. If anything Tanfoglio moved away and CZ started cloning them. So the reason they don't take the same mags is the same reason your glock and MP look very similar but take different mags.
Nothing about a cz is a hi power clone. Completely different pistols that don't even resemble each other. The browning is a single action only, whereas the cz is a single/double. The cz has a slide that sits in the frame and the browning doesnt. If anything, the browning resembles a 1911 more than anything. The beretta 92 resembles a hi power more than a cz 75, and i dont even think a 92 is a hi power clone. Dude, we are talking a 50 year gap between the two firearms, you honestly think they would create a firearm specifically for military use by just cloning an old outdated pistol?
The cz 75 has been around forever, and the shadow is clearly modeled after it, and even uses the same mechanics. The tangfolio started these pistols by emulating cz, and when cz released a new variant of the 75 (p01, shadow, sp01, etc), tanfolio released their own variant soon after. Tanfolio's also use many similar parts, and even the same mags on many of the models. They're definitely a cz clone, but who cares? They still do their own thing and they're nice guns, they just got their inspiration from a classic og, cz 75.
many thanks
The Tanfoglio is a great starting point.
Polish the moving parts and you drop that trigger pull exponentially.
My Limited Pro (same internals) ended up at around 6lb DA and, depending on hammer spring, as low as 1.8lbs I moved that up for competition use.
Trigger reset has NOTHING to do with speed. That said, you can improve on it if you want, I wouldn’t waste the time on a non-factor.
A major difference with the Tanfoglio vs the CZ, is on guns with a firing pin block, the CZ raises the block when you pull the trigger, where the Tanfo Lowers the block. This is why CZ still needs to make guns without a firing pin block.
Polish the parts, replace the springs with something more to your taste, and you end up with a gun that is everything a CZ is, if not more, for a good bit less $$$
Good stuff
Trick out a tanfoglio and vs the tricked out shadow 2 !! Maybe a stock 3 or off stock master
Hey man, real question, when you shoot I notice you have little to no muzzle flip allowing for fast follow up shots. Can you do a video on you you keep the weapon on target so well? Keep up the good work.
Correct grip technique along with a strong, high purchase on the gun and support hand being utilized correctly
Take a shooting class technique and even breathing can affect your shots plus where your finger is placed on trigger......focus on accuracy first before speed
To say "Tanfoglio is not CZ" is a subjective statement seeing how Tanfoglio sure has been putting a clinche in all divisions. Yea the CZ TS2 is good and like two other shadow variants but where CZ is loosing out to Tanfoglio is Tanfoglio has multiple variants that are blowing past and fae beyond Cz. You were shooting factory ammunition of the most popular handgun cartridge ever created. Its made fast with less attention than any cartridge. I also feel anyone who would buy a stock ll (which i assume people would opt for the stock lll by now) would be someone like myself who does their own gunsmithing for the most part and would have that trigger fixed to their preference before a round ever goes through it.
Wait it doesn't use CZ75 mags?? I run a couple Tanfoglio mags in my Shadow 2, but the Shadow 2's mags won't work in this Tanfo? 😪
CZ mags works in "small frame" Tanfo.
the updated version of this stiock 2 is the extreme edition but much more expensive ~ 2500 ?
The Stock Master can be considered an updated version of the Stock II too.
Can it wait for the vs with the cz
I've got one sitting in the safe. I agree with your wife. It's the best looking pistol in my safe. My big gripe with it and the CZ 75 is neither fit my hands well. You really need a big pair of mitts to get a good hold on the gun. I've tried 3 different style grips to fix it and have yet to find a set that works for me. That said, it's a range pistol and I just deal with it.
Hi Terry, try Armanov grips. That changed night and day the way the Shadow 1 shoots. Armanov allows you to chose CZ grips according to the size of your hands.
LOL! I’m still looking for bigger grips for mine. It’s too small stock.