I agree with you on this topic. I've watched the feminization of men for decades now, and I have always stood up against it verbally among my peers. Once, while teaching Sunday school and during that lesson, I had an elderly man comment thanking me for standing up for men and the priesthood. I love strong, righteous men and know that they are good for society. I also love strong, righteous women who stand side by side with those good men, not to take away their authority but to back them up. Thank you for pointing this out. We're free to choose, and I choose not to let social media influencers be my guides.
This is interesting that you touched on this topic. I am in an lds moms group with 10s of thousands of lds women and I have been shocked what I see in that group. I have commented to my husband about how surprised I am with how many women preach things in that group that are very much against church doctrine. The general feel of the group is "do what makes you happy and God will understand". 😳 If any woman even brings up the topic of "modesty" (in support of it - wanting to teach their daughters) they will get virtually stoned to death by the other women. It's wild. The vast majority of these women are in Utah. I have never lived in Utah and the women are generally different outside of Utah, but I see these Utah women influencing other women and unfortunately the women are very easily influenced for some reason. It's gotten to a point where hundreds of us have joined another group whose admin has vowed to keep things in line with church doctrine because we are tired of not being able to express our LDS views in an LDS GROUP!
I have lived in Utah for 25 years now and I know exactly what you are talking about. Definitely not all LDS women here are this way, but there is a very strong overtone of new wave feminism, worshiping and upholding of their children over God, constant seeking of the divine feminine and other fringe topics. We have a ton of affluent, suburban, girl-boss women here that are having a lot of sway on future generations. It has been sort of wild to watch it progress over the past 10 years.
That's very interesting. I live in Washington DC. This region (statistically) has a very low population of members but it's honestly amazing. The wards here are great, the women are amazing and spiritual. I feel like I'm constantly surrounded by great examples of Christ's love. I can't imagine being in a ward where the women are undermining the gospel and leading people away. I would definitely stand up to that.
PS: Thanks for bringing Avraham Gileadi back to our attention! I’ve been studying Isaiah through his books for a whole year and have signed up for his TH-cam class that begins 06 February, “Search Diligently” and will run for an entire YEAR!! I wish the General Sunday School admin would give the Church a year class on Isaiah!!
As an elementary school teacher, I would argue that children ARE ruling--they are ruling their families. Children are being given far too much power--to their own detriment.
Certainly. I also sometimes wonder if the term “children” applies to individuals who have reached the age of adulthood, but have not matured. Grown children, if you will.
Thank you so much for this true and needful message! Relief Society has become a struggle session, therapy session, and venting against the brethren session and too few ladies dare take the social lashing that comes with speaking the true doctrine of Christ. The tyranny of compassion is real and although well-intentioned is destroying souls. Christ created men and women. He set men to lead his church. He gives commandments not suggestions. Modesty and virtue matter. Affirming a lie isn’t kindness. Sacrifice and bending our will to His are part of the plan and often we will have to walk by faith until we receive more knowledge about why. Please keep voicing the truth Greg. Many women are very very grateful!
Used to home-teach a guy who was innactive. Had been a strong leader in the Elder's Quorum until his wife left him. She bad-mouthed him in the ward and he became innactive. Of course it was all his fault, right. Well, fast forward, his children all left her to live with him. He remarried a non-member and when she was pregnant she was expressing the desire to become Mormon. He resisted and honestly told me he did not want his wife spiritually polluted by Relief Society. He wanted his family to stay together and that was at odds with her joining.
there is a lot of Nice Talk but the action is limping behind. The worst part is that they won’t believe or recognize that problem to the point of announcing and declaring “we are the good ones!” And that’s appalling. I got myself in trouble over open criticism. Hey, they say “all are welcome “. Nobody wants to visit and when in need there is no support nor any ministering. When criticizing that they decided to put me and my family on the “unassigned ministering “ list, as if that’s the solution. Ineptitude . lesson to learn? Complaining and trying to provoke positive change among pharisees is useless. Talking nice is the vomit of drunken sailor.
My wife has fallen away, but continues to tell me how to conduct my service in my calling, or how to do things that she disagrees with in the handbook of instructions. . I've had to finally come to telling her, "I understand you don't agree with the church, but this is how I'm going to serve the Lord."
Wow! My husband left the church in 2016. We tried to make our marriage work for eight years of suffering. He lied for the last time and left five months ago.
My wife is very feminine. She wants me to remain masculine. She wants and loves a real man grounded in the gospel and holding the priesthood. I work to be that for us. She has a powerful testimony of the gospel. I refer to her as stubbornly faithful. She wears that label proudly.
I have several women in my extended family and friend group who have fallen or are currently falling for exactly this kind of thing. Thanks for bringing this to light Greg.
@ if you read my comment again I didn’t claim that the two are synonymous. However, much of the time that is the case. People that I know who have left tend to gravitate toward some form of agnosticism or atheism. Rarely do people retain their faith in God or join another religion. That’s just my empirical observation.
@ Ok. With that, I agree. Sorry. I did misunderstand what you meant. I still believe in the Book of Mormon, and that Joseph was a prophet…but everything involving Brigham and after him, is suspect…or demonstrably untrue.
I have related this very thing on other TH-cam channels. In our ward, the exodus of ward families that occurred during the pandemic was led by the moms. the moms dropped out, and then led the rest of the family away. The old stereotype of the "stalwart mom" full of faith, bringing their kids to church alone while the "deadbeat dad" is home watching football... Things, at least in my world, seem to be opposite now: dads (like me, unfortunately) going to church alone since mom has lost any interest in the Church. There are a number of dads like me in just the ward that I am in.
@@Azriel640 While I am not privy to everyone's history, I can definitely say that the source has been a certain document that has been circulating for about 5 or 6 years now. I won't name it, because people who haven't heard about it (if there are any?) will Google it. Once the dominos started falling, people use social media to directly proselytize active Church members to question their faith. I had suggested, as the Gospel Doctrine teacher that we try best to get ahead of it. Maybe a few special 5th Sunday topics? Unfortunately, the instinct is to keep Sunday meetings at a pretty basic level and not delve into the deeper topics. Yes, I understand the why and I am not trying to be critical. It's like what Greg is saying this video: we HAVE TO deal with all these issues. The prophet was not joking when he said that we are past the point where spiritual survival is possible without truly being enlightened by the Holy Ghost. Good luck, everyone.
@ thanks for sharing. And yeah you’re absolutely right. I know what document you’re referring to. I’m reminded about what Elder Bednar taught once about how we, as individuals and families need to be responsible for our own relationship with the Savior. It’s not enough to simply have a testimony, or go to church and do the basics. We must be converted. That Includes the reference you made to the prophet’s council and even Greg’s point in the video. Learning the “mysteries of the Kingdom” will come from personal revelation in our own studies, our homes and in the Lord’s universities (the Holy Temple)
And you can't put your foot down, telling them they have to come back, because the church has bent to the culture so much over the years that there's no semblance of a patriarchy anymore. They'll just tell you you're being "controlling".
I agree completely. I have so many once faithful friends who have fallen away because of their activities on social media. It always starts so small, and it always starts with “self care” and “self improvement.” I noticed a pattern awhile ago, and now I can target almost every step that will be taken before they step away from the church altogether.
Can you elaborate more on what the pattern is and what these steps are? It's important to know so we can see it happens and warn others of what's happening.
@@JC-qz3zr If you understand the foundations of Wilhelm Reich, coupled with the activities of the US government to reduce marriage and birth rates, it all makes sense, but probably best to start with understanding Edward Bernays. I suggest you read his classic work "Propaganda." You can find it online in PDF form.
It's hard when feminism is basically preached in church. For years, men have been told that they suck and need to repent, and then in the women's meetings they're told that women are doing great, and shouldn't be so hard on themselves. I am grateful for the stance that the church leaders made in the Family Proclamation regarding family roles, but The church leaders appear to be so scared of the feminist backlash PR that they continually appear to side with the feminist narrative that men are bad and women are great. It's discouraging as a Priesthood holder. Does anyone else feel this way?
I have noted not only the feminization of men but seen their roles be diminished, mocked and disabled in popular culture and television and media for decades. I hate it, and hate the effect it has on boys growing up, as a mother of men myself. What I would offer is that ALL of us, both male and female, must be repenting every day, while not being made to feel overbearing perfectionism and discouragement. We should support one another to be the best kind of role model within our respective genders.
I stopped watching priesthood session live about ten years ago. The church has a clear double standard when it comes to slamming men and lifting up women for the same behavior. It is called "pedestaling." 25 years ago, men who weren't married by age 25 were still "menaces to society", while women who aren't married by 25 trying to get degrees and turning down dates are praised and comforted.
I don’t see that coming from the church leaders. I think certain directions and choices the church takes can be interpreted as caving to feminist demands, but actually it’s Gods will. For example the change of veil use in the endowment session. Some say the church changed it to appease feminists, but removing the veil is a sign of the bridegroom approaching. Satan is loud and he works hard to dilute Gods work, reduce its impact, and even take credit for it. We must have faith/trust that the Lord governs His church.
In many conversations on separate occasions with brethren, they tell me that their testimony are average, their wives, on the other hand, are the spiritual giants. I think this contributed partly to this problem. The brethren are not utilizing the priesthood as they should. They are asleep on the watch and making mimimal efforts with their covenant relationship with God. This creates a situation where the wife feels like she has to pick up the slack to hold the family together. They are often the ones who are studying the scriptures, attending the temple, and serving others. We really need our men to step up and be the patriarchal head of the family beyond financially supporting their families. My previous bishop gave my adult daughter runabouts on doctrine answers. He is a crowd pleaser and more of a liberal.
I know a woman who is active in Church, but when she married strong men, she divorced them. Called them "controlling." Her daughter came to her senses, got off anti-depressants, and has converted to Islam where you have clear support of patriarchal leadership and feminin ideals.
They are that way because they mothers dominated the home as well. If most of these men began to reassert righteous leadership, their wives would file for divorce, I have seen it. I am one of those men weak men encounter from time to time that encourages them to read the scriptures and live the example they set. That says a weak man is not a good or righteous man. I dont teach teddy bear Jesus. Most like 85 percent of the wives cant stand me. The males stop being friends. the wife keeps control. Divorce , affairs, porn addiction, male and female are the general consequences for women dominated homes. Women can not respect and are not attracted to a man they can control and yet that is exactly what they are taught to do and the men are taught to let them.
@@edwardsson777 I know many of them. They will not submit to their husbands but they submit to govt and the prophet. Because those are not in their home. Follow the Prophet is the way for lds feminists to steal the leadership of the home
Great topic and wholeheartedly agree with you! I was drawn in to the ex-mormon community for a couple years. So grateful to be back on the covenant path and back to the temple after 17 years. Have so much gratitude for people like you who are not afraid to stand up for the truth!
I'm a 72 male priesthood holder , we married in the manti temple and herse i am 48 years later , still married to her 5 children (home schooled) 15 grand children and one great grand child. Testimony still strong . Its with my sons that the world iz chipping away at. Over all i am counting my blessing.
@@roymadison5686 hi Roy. I too am 72 LDS. Alone now I have less attraction to pew sitting meetings but have gratefully moved to the best spiritual growth ever with amazing experiences almost daily.
Thanks Greg! Yes, I agree 100%. Good, thought-provoking content. Social media is toxic. I am a high school teacher and smart phones are ruining so much - including education. Women are obsessed with social media and are leading the anti-train. Thanks again and Merry Christmas!🎄🎁
I'm an old guy now. I have been through all phases of life. Got big time cancer so going home soon. I Iived the teaching of the gospel. I worked a lot of dangerous jobs to support my kids. I loved it! Went to Church every week with my 5 kids. They have the protection of the gospel. They think well, and make or made a lot of money! One of high rank in the military used to be assigned over seas to "take care of business" ! The boys & girls are tough and smart. They taught thier famlies the gospel. There kids do amazing things. They don't need me around. They know what is right and wrong, and are living spectacular lives!
I’m 81 yrs old. I love what you are saying. I support the 15 men that God has placed in positions to care for each of his children. I have much to say but I won’t. Thank you again for you being courageous enough to support Gloria Don👵🏻
Thank you Greg (from a woman), for having the courage to say it like it is! I agree that the spoken word...makes things more "real". I'm thinking/feeling that the return of masculinity is warming up and I am SO grateful. Thanks for this podcast...please keep going and expound~
The hardest class I ever took in college was the one titled “Leadership.” The curriculum was based on Heifetz’s model of leadership that defines it as “the art and act of getting people to confront, assess, and deal with problematic realities.” It was based on the premise that authority exists to maintain a status quo while leadership calls upon people to change. But change or repentance is often too difficult for people to do. It is what got Gahndi, King, Kennedy, and Christ assassinated. It is what eventually shut the mouths of all the holy prophets who were stoned, crucified, or sawn asunder. Like you, I am engaged in the cause of Christ in defense of His kingdom and His anointed servants. My life is to sustain and defend His church. I commend you for sounding the alarm and calling people to consider the cause of your warnings. I admire your bravery. The 15 are commissioned to be harmless as doves so there are divinely appointed limits on what they will do and I wholeheartedly sustain their actions. I will follow their example and I will also decry the evil that threatens our civilization the same way the prophets in the Book of Mormon did. Keep it up, Greg. I see your heart and I know you are right.
In my ward alone I have seen a dozen women leave the church and take their husband and children with them, and in each case I wondered how the husband could just follow the wife and make no stand I was the mom at church with her four boys all by herself, I was there every Sunday, and every Monday my sons and I had family home evening And because we are a homeschool family scriptures were read every morning I was on a mission to knit the hearts of my children to Heavenly Father I do not understand the young women in the church today…
I agree 👍. I can't imagine raising kids in this world without gospel principles and guidelines. A recipe for disaster, in my opinion. I too took my 4 sons to church by myself mainly each week. Even though two have fallen away, I still know their sins are on their own heads and not mine.
When men are in love with their wives they will do anything they want. In one of my wards years ago, two families were torn apart when the husband of one( in the bishopric) and the wife of the other lived next door to each other and had an affair. The husband of the cheating wife agreed to move and have the cheating bishopric member live on their property and have an open marriage. The ex bishopric member then eventually went trans and they continued the relationship. The husband of the cheating wife just went along with everything because he didn't want to lose her. I can't imagine what this has done to their children. And this is not a rare case unfortunately. Families are torn apart everyday by stuff like this.
I think there is some problematic messaging in modern Christianity, our church included. Women are put up on a pedestal as being morally superior to men in every way. Many times when a Stake President has visited my Elders' quorum lessons they have told us that anytime we have disagreement with our wives we need to just accept that she is always right because she is naturally more spiritual than us. In my own marriage I've been accused of unrighteous dominion for not agreeing with my wife. I think this pedestalization is not fair to girls/women. Girls/Women are just as flawed as men, just in different ways. We have complimentary strengths and weaknesses. Expecting them to be morally superior places unrealistic expectations on them. Then in some cases some women will drink the cool-aid and think that they are morally superior to their husbands.
@@Crochet_bro Agreed!! I think some of this is the women revolting against the “submit” to your husband direction in scripture not understanding what submit means when Heavenly Father uses that word, their knee jerk reaction sends them off the deep end, and they take their families with them So sad…
I love that you stand up for this, I cannot stand imbalance and feminism… Jared Halverson made a statement on his podcast that the pendulum in society swings to one extreme to the other. For instance during WWII there was extreme communism & forced religion, then after that extreme from the 60s till now the pendulum has swung away from religion to free love … both extremes are wrong, there needs to be balance of both sides. I am so sick of hearing these women tearing down our society. There’s an amazing article called “ Women have become the lesser man”. And it is so sad that we are breaking all these eternal principles. You remind me of my husband. Masculinity is crucial we need righteous men who lead our families with strength and support from their wives!
I'll also add, my 6'8" husband is extremely masculine, as are my seven sons. The fact that I play basketball doesn't threaten them. The fact that I have a voice and strong opinions doesn't threaten them either. Strong, masculine men are actually not threatened by women's voices.
@@MichelleBStone Nice try but this isn't about women having strong voices. It's about whether those voices are righteous and teaching truth. Those, like yourself and Julie Hanks, don't teach truth but falsehood that conflict with the Restored Gospel and Church leaders. The only difference between you and someone like Alyssa Grenfell is she does her damage from outside the Church while you do yours from within. You, Grenfell, Julie Hanks, etc are all spiritual cancers.
Amen dear sister. Greg does a lot of good but he doesn't understand that the thing leading people out of the church is not those of you who are exposing the hidden truth, it is the fact that the leaders still are trying to keep it hidden. People think Brigham was a righteous man of God. I decided to get to know him for myself and sadly I learned that he was not a righteous man of God. He was a horrible person. Anything but a righteous man of God. I appreciate you and others bringing to light the hidden documents of our not so humble history. Yes, it has spurred me on to learn truth and do more of my own research but the past is not what is affecting me and so many others, it is the coverups, half truths and the outright lies coming from our leaders. There is too much good and too many wonderful people in this church for me to throw it all away but I do realize that the leaders have much repenting to do.
@@icecreamladydriver1606 It's misleading fools like yourself who Michelle is going to have to do her own repenting. She's wrong on that issue and many others. If you watch enough of her videos, you quickly see she's so ignorant of even basic doctrines she has no business (and I use that word intentionally) doing a TH-cam channel on anything Church-related.
Greg, you're absolutely spot on. These women "influencers" are dangerous. We need to be diligent, and discuss these things with our kids so they are aware of what's happening and how to combat it.
Agree completely!! We must wake up!!!! I have learned much from your channel, you have enlightened my sensitivity to all these subtle and not so subtle dangerous erosive behaviors! Stand up believers and SPEAK!! The bad speaks loudly!!!! Empower yourself and your testimony!!! With strength and love!!❤️
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Well, I may be wrong, but I'm about 90% sure we dropped the Priesthood session at conference due to the constant complaining by the fringe feminist movement within the church (even though the women had their own session also). Nobody has been able to give me a valid reason for dropping it, not even the First Presidency unfortunately. The lesson to learn here is to never bend the knee to the angry mob, because it will never be enough. But hey, I may be wrong, just my thoughts.
Read the scriptures AND the conference talks that speak to women. The adversary knows that women are capable of great influence. For good and for evil. I do believe that’s why so many of our prophets talked about the need for good women to stand up and speak out. I don’t know if there are so many more women than men leading in the anti religion/mormon movement…. But without question they seem to be more effective. I’ve also listened to a number of podcasts lead by women that are so good. And so impactful. The Come Back Podcast is one of those ❤
One thing that I think that keeps men from talking about how women are effect by these influencers is that very much so in modern Christianity, our church included, is that women are pedestalized. Many of our leaders(both local and general), especially in General Priesthood meetings, tend to paint women as semi-divine beings who are morally superior to men in every way. For years I took those teachings seriously. When President Monson would tell us that the Lord counts every tear of our wives against us it led me to place where I thought I wasn't worthy to go to the temple. My wife will cry if I'm reading something for more than a couple of minutes in her presence. At least it used to back when I used to read. Now I stay up late and wake up early to read(scriptures included). I know I'm not abusive and I know longer feel guilty when she cries over trivial things.
So where do the women turn to for strength? Maybe Candace Owens or Naomi Wolf. Yes, the scriptures are the foundation, but if you live in the sewer we call the western nations, you need spiritual and intellectual support hand-in-hand.
Im going to be honest but I'm my opinion this is at the feet of the 15. For the past 15+ years all they've said was "Men you're failing at being better Priesthood holders be there for your wife and kids", at the same time they say to the women " you're perfect in every way possible Heavenly Father loves you so much there's nothing to change about you" every 6 months. At some point the men will lose interest because look at the stats Men do more in the home than ever before. It's either we work 18+ hours a day and mid our kids and grow distant from our wives providing for them or not being able to provide for them because you're at home trying to be the Dad so many of us didn't have which was being present. You talked about the law of chastity well let's be real honset here if a Dad has a gay/lesbian child he has no issue with cutting that kid off, if the dad is a religious person. But the mom will gladly throw out her belief system for a kid because they care more about the kid than everything else.
There's a phrase...the men in who control the women control the men. The LDS church might look like a patriarchal type organization of male authority....but don't let that fool you...yes men are the ones leading the church but those men are actually running it like a matriarchy. The golden calf of our day is actually putting women in a pedestal and we're being indoctrinated with goddess worship. I've brought this up many times. The pride cycle is actually men chasing after women and competing for women for sex with other men. You have dating apps making women think they are better than average guys, majority of men can't get into a physical relationship, men are told to you know just step up and ask women out even though they view only as a friend or brother and thats after you pay for the date. Stop looking at porn yet completely ignoring women sleeping around before marriage and refuse to criticize them. Men are always held accountable for their actions women are not. Now the only men I see getting married to these masculine feminists in the church are emasculated feminized effeminate beta males who have no self respect for themselves and will do the happy wife happy life codependent crap in their marriage. Sorry Christ when he walked the earth his messages were targeted to improving men. If this church is ran by Christ himself what changed? We are repelling masculine men and pandering to women. And then the church wonders why it's collapsing. Great book about this is why men hate going to church by David Murrow
Look at the women outside the church. They are even worse off. To put this at the feet of the 15 is missing the larger context of what is happening in our society. Feminism is much more to be blamed. Could the 15 have been more forceful? Perhaps. Putting it at their feet goes way too far.
I agree exacly. For my entire life general conference can be summed up as chastize the men for never doing enough and praising the women for being who they are. It doesn't matter that all the men I knew in the church had difficult careers that allowed their wives to stay home and raise the children. It didn't matter that all those men held leadership church callings and took them seriously and as a result were not home for longer periods of time, and it didn't matter that those men sacrificed everything they had for their families. They all sat in every single priesthood meeting and were chastized for doing the best they could and their wives typically had their perfect angels talks. I grew up in a home of all brothers until I was 14 when my mom gave birth to my sister. So I never grew up with a girl in the home other than my mom. So I relied heavily on what others told me how women acted. I believed every word that came out of general conference when I was a young boy, even their talks about womens inherent goodness. It has taken me decades to realize how un Christlike women regularly behave. I got really lucky and married a good women. But she has her moments no different than I do.
@@breezeistlime96 We have a gay daughter and both my husband and I love her unconditionally. My husband is a good, righteous priesthood holder and we are both faithful members of the church. The situation hasn’t changed who we are or our love for our daughter. It wasn’t easy in the beginning and I wish it wasn’t so, but she’s a good person and God loves her.
While I know this is out of topic of what this video is about, it does go hand and hand with a lot of what you talk about regarding the unfortunate changes we are seeing in even the most devout members of the church and I’m sincerely hoping I can get your (or anyone else’s) advice on something. I moved to Draper UT (originally from MS) in January of 2024. I was astonished at the amount of LGBTQ pride in the members out here. Last Sunday I went to church and saw pride flag on the back of a members SUV. For some reason, this really ate away at me. Look, I love all people, gay, straight, doesn’t matter. But how can we as members support something that is contrary to the gospel of Jesus Christ not to mention the proclamation of the family, and why are we not allowed to speak up about this? Why? Because we don’t want to offend? That’s absurd. I guess my question is.. am I wrong for feeling this way? I’m telling you, it’s really taken a toll on me.
Unfortunately, it's become "fashionable" within the Church (especially in Utah) to support the pride movement and other far-left causes. Why? I'm not completely sure. Maybe it's about being "nice." I'll never support it, but I have members of my ward who do, even my former bishop and his wife!
I enjoyed your walk by the ocean. I was a Sailor over 50 years ago. I am not much in touch with the problems that you talk about as I have become somewhat disabled in my old age I get my church attendance though the Internet. I fully believe that women form a backbone of our families and should be revered for their support. As they become corrupted we are in big trouble.
Thank you so much for this message. I 100% agree. As a mother of 3 daughters this is constantly on my mind. Teaching the doctrine from the scriptures has helped them to recognize sophistry. Teaching, defending and following the doctrine of Christ is the way to recognize truth. Merry Christmas!
I for one am not on social media. I left Facebook 3 1/2 years ago. I do get on TH-cam, but even that I'm very selective. I have limited channels I watch. I have unsubscribed to many that are LDS because I don't feel the spirit watching their channel.
I have been fortunate that this has not hit my ward and stake very hard. I my local community and schools this is out of control and is brought into the wards by the young women that attend their local schools. This is a very scary epidemic, I have seen first hand what feminizing a work place can do and how society can spiral down when masculinity is pushed out of society. My wife brings it up all the time. She is feed up with the area we live in and has been labeled as a crazy person for speaking out about it. Thanks for speaking up Greg
The prophets have been talking about this stuff for decades. Even my mom (RIP) told me about how her dad, who was a stake president back in the 1930s, once gave a talk about how women would become more wicked than men in the last days. She told me that this seemed ridiculous when she heard it as a little girl, but before passing several years ago, she told me that everything that she has heard is now coming true. The non-LDS Christian denominations (who are our friends and need to be treated that way) will often say that they know it is the last days because so many signs we are seeing are predicted in the Bible. Without a belief in an open-canon and ongoing revelation, they have no way of knowing what new things the world invents will be acceptable to God. Birth control, can be used for good, but is too often used to escape the responsibilities of motherhood and the evil one has successfully vilified it so most young girls will not even admit they want to be mothers. It started out with the choice to be a mother or not, now it's turning into compulsory for women to be a major bread winner.
Wow. Reminds of of a reported statement from the prophet Joseph Smith that in the last days the only women willing to bear children would be those of our faith. I hope we don't see this trend growing within the Church as well, but I'm afraid...!
Not sure my impressions are correct, but until earlier this year, I had never or rarely seen the men outnumber the women in a temple endowment session, but I’ve been seeing it regularly in recent months at the Ogden, UT temple I usually attend. I’ve been pondering the cause of this phenomenon - maybe it has something to do with what Greg is speaking of here.
I've attended all day in 17 Utah temples, including Ogden. The only times I see more men are in early morning sessions. Doesn't mean anything but I still agree with Isaiah, the Lord straightens out the Daughters and there will be seven women for every man.
I’m glad you’re talking about this. It helps us be aware of what’s going on around us and to be better prepared for it. Keep sharing your opinions, it’s helped me be more aware and less naïve. 😊
First of all, righteous, faithful, women are extremely important! A correct reading of the term "helpmeet" in Hebrew is "Strength, Companion, Power to rescue others". "Helper" comes from the English translation. A long time ago & read a prophecy (unfortunately can't remember where) that basically said at the time of the Savior's 2nd Coming, there would be only a Tith of a Tith still faithful to the Church. That is a very small number. I am striving to be one of that group. I pray for & worry for those women or men who teach anyone, primary, youth, adult, false doctrine & twist the Scriptures, allowing teachings of the world to be mingled with Scripture. They are using their own opinion not the Lord's. The world is very alluring & past grievances can let the world creep in over faith. It does take faith, effort & belief to walk the path & gain the Tree. The Beatitudes in Matthew 5 - do not end with verse 9. You have to be willing to endure to the end which includes Matt 5:10-13. Which means, depending on what you really want, will get uncomfortable. We are, however, told in the Scriptures & the Sacrament that the Lord is with us always as we are faithful to the Lord & our Covenants. So, female here who is worried for many women & men in the Church.
As a public school teacher who lived through the devious licks challenge, I 100% believe TikTok is a weapon. Also, I agree that kids should not have smart phones or social media. Young men are also influenced by the negativity toward women online. There are some very toxic influencers that boys are emulating.
They do, but their strategy seems to be to that of getting the membership to get closer to God so that God can reach each of us with Truth through the most effective ways. Getting us up to speed in our testimonies rather than stirring the pot of controversies. I've noticed this especially in the last decade. I think time is very short...
One thing I have realized is that as Christ said "if you are not one ye are not mine". That applies to not only the Church / Gospel but it also applies to marriage. If a couple starts to compete and argue about politics (Dems vs Repubican) or men vs women, the division will become so severe that they likely wont want to stay together.
I figured this recently via Instagram. I've had to go off it almost completely, which is a relief. But it's an extremely toxic place full of anti stuff. I wouldn't recommend it to a soul.
I appreciate this so much. I am definitely naive to the online influences but the whole “polygamy” debate has caused me to have doubts and I had to just step back and say -this is for God to figure out.
Even though it's not scripture, you could also read about the mouse utopian experiments done in the 70s by Dr. John B. Calhoun. Very, very frighteningly real about where we are and where we're going at this point.
I believe he was referring to 2 Nephi 13-14 (Isaiah 3-4). This refers more to the women, but women can only become this way if men stop leading (become feminized).
At 9:34.... Maybe I'm "out of the loop", but who exactly are the two women - inside and outside the Church who are influencing members out of the Church?
I am wondering the same thing. It's interesting he makes an entire podcast about this subject then he's vague about who those two women are. It's kind of a form of censorship. We just need to take his word or it and watch everything now for the boogey man er.. the boogey woman. Greg! Be specific! Who EXACTLY, is the enemy?
NOT this woman :-) I love the gospel, the brethren, and have a lot of respect for men who have always sacrificed to provide for their families. These are truly the last days that we find ourselves in, and we each get to choose. I recognize how hard it is for anyone impacted by others who'se choices hurt them (rinse and repeat). I imagine that will be nearly all of us at some point - spouse, siblings, children, friends - it all hurts. May we know in whom we have trusted.
Ya know, I’ve had a issue with cell phones and youth my entire marriage. Our youngest is 16 and when she started Seminary it was REQUIRED to have a phone or tablet with the apps. WHAT? To save Paper? Whatever… anyway, that’s my 2 cents on phones… In my family I have seen the same. Sister in law who pulls away and takes the family with her. My nephew’s asked my brother to sing primary songs one night so he did! She came in and forbade them to be sung to them. People don’t just fall. They don’t leave and mind their own. They don’t even go “find” God somewhere else. They leave with their hooks, chains and sticks swinging to pull all they can with them. Heartbreaking. Love your channel and the message. The sifting is happening.
I have seen this to some degree, but remember that the prophets have also said that good women will be drawn to the church in the last days, largely to the degree that LDS women are different from the world in happy ways. Basically, there is a lot of good happening by good women. Sometimes, the opposing views are louder, but God's work will still move forward.
The female influencers that are going against the gospel of Christ are so transparent to me. I can’t stand what they are saying. I am a 74 year old active member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and a professional counselor. I left the profession in September because of the cultural shift and the shift in the way we treat mental illness. I disagree with almost all of it.
Yes, agreed. Do you think the shift is away from giving people tools with which to thrive in their relationships etc but instead foster victimhood? That nearly destroyed my child, until my husband and I woke up to what was going on in counselling...
I'm curious how many of these female influencers are in traditional marriages and what effect it has on their marriage. My wife and I were discussing your video and we agree that our marriage helps us honor each others unique roll as spouses and parents. My wife makes be proud to be a man, husband, and father and I adore and honor her for the wonderful wife and mother she is, her femininity, nurture, and angelic nature as an honorable daughter of God. We can't imagine being happier.
I think the first line of defence for families are the mothers! When society, men and women devalue the rolls of women, the young girls see this as a sign of weakness. Yes, we are the last to fall because we are the defenders of the covenant. But, when we have "had enought" we turn away, be it marriage, families, children, religion.
I think these influencers are a cross between Korihor and Nehor. Like Nehor, they are not teaching that there is no Christ. They are teaching an erroneous concept of Him. Like Korihor, they are specifically targeting women.
I have no idea who those social media influencers are that fight against God 🤷♀️😂. I guess it’s just fine I stick with the Shawn Ryan Show, Cwic Media, Stick of Joseph, and Leading Saints 😂
I have seen this among ladies I know. I am committed to the gospel and understanding the principles of the Gospel. I am teaching my daughter’s to see through the crazy media of the world. Thanks for bringing awareness to this issue!
WHO is this woman online who is doing more damage than any anti-Mormon man? I want to protect my grandchildren from her. Please name names if you truly want to be helpful.
@@wilsclanmom I am wondering the same thing. It's interesting he makes an entire podcast about this subject then he's vague about who those two women are. It's kind of a form of censorship. We just need to take his word or it and watch everything now for the boogey man er.. the boogey woman. Greg! Be specific! Who EXACTLY, is the enemy?
It is our responsibility as parents or extended faithful family to teach the Truth, teach & help with love, wisdom, & knowledge. It is not ours to tell them what to do but to assist them in finding that Truth.
Thank you Greg.this reminds me of the time when my daughter was in mutual and It was an adult presentation of the careers they work in. It went sideways when they asked the kids what they would like to do for a career. They came to my daughter and she said “I want to be a wife and mother.” You would have thought she had used a string of epithets the way they responded. They immediately layed into her with questions asked in a tone that indicated offense taken by the questioners: how are you going to make the living? What if you never get married? What if you never have kids? Etc. etc.. these were supposed to be young women’s leaders teaching these young women and young men about the virtues of the proclamation on the family and what the church is taught since it’s founding. So I went ahead and posted this on Facebook without names you would’ve thought that I had set the whole world on fire the way they responded apparently, one of the young woman leaders read the post and her husband claims she was in tears I had brought up in the post reasons why I thought they may have responded to my daughter in that manner which included childlessness, divorce, singleness, etc. and I suppose anybody could’ve taken offense at that if they had concluded that they were the ones being talked about. I suppose they had because I had mentioned that it was her church youth leaders and that was it. They could’ve dropped it and left it at that. But oh no, they would not drop it so I went ahead and apologized for the way I presented that, but I did not apologize for the principles that I laid out and what my daughter said. this experienced taught me that the church does have people, especially in Utah that have their doctrine mixed up and they don’t understand sound doctrine and they have been a letter straight by the doctrines of the world. I look back on this experience and I’m grateful that my daughter had to live through it as well as myself. I learned that when you stand up for what is right even in the church, there is a chance, especially in Utah that you’re gonna get a tongue, lashing and shunning. After that experience, I felt shunned by my bishopric and by other adults in our ward. Where once there was warm and friendly feelings between us, I just got the cold shoulder. I’m glad I don’t live in that ward anymore, but that experience had an effect on me to just keep my mouth shut. My 14 years in that last ward changed my attitude towards my church experience more than it ever has before. It taught me that unfortunately not all church members have the same understanding and that different understanding doesn’t necessarily mean an understanding of correct doctrine. I still know the church is true and I know Jesus Christ is my savior and that he leads the Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints. I believe his leaders are led by the spirit however, I don’t believe they all are what I do believe is that I need to consider what I mean taught and take it to the Lord. Ask him if it’s true as we’ve been taught in our church. Again, thank you Greg for your thoughts
Isn't it interesting how 'strong' many of the objectors of traditional role models can be until confronted with the truth? Then come the tears and woundedness...wow. Sounds like more tears need to flow, and stronger messages of support in your ward leadership needed for principles found in Proclamation on the Family.
I think something that might be driving this without meaning to drive it is how some have tried to uplift Eve's standing. In times past Christianity in general has vilified her and used her as an excuse to repress woman and promote misogamy which was wrong, but think in trying to correct that, members have swung the pendulum too far the other way, turning her into some gill boss who cracked the code and caused the Fall because she figured out some puzzle. This comes up every 4 years when we cover the OT, I point out that Eve was tricked and what she did was against God's will so she should not have done it, and I get all kinds of grief over it from the woke members.
There's no "other way" anyone has proposed it could have gone but yes she heeded our enemy and that's a caution for all especially women ... Then there's the NT year when Paul is called misogynist and husbands have to match Jesus if they're to deserve any respect...
I am realizing that among many women in the Church, it seems that unless the husband essentially says to his wife whenever she disagrees with him: "Eve, I see that this is so. I will partake that man might be" -- unless the husband says something like this, the wife goes ballistic, accuses him of patriarchy, unrighteous dominion, sexism and misogynistic, oppression of women, etc,....
2,3&4 are an excellent place to start. I can't remember exactly where he talks about the women leading the children against the "ancient men" but you have to find that.
The waves didn’t take away from the video Greg they added to it! A soothing subtle relaxing undertone to a powerful and difficult message that needed to be heard! Well done!
8:15 Yes. I think there is far too much of referencing scripture and nitpicking scripture, sometimes taking out of context, and too little reading of ALL the scriptures. I don't know where the "All is well in Zion" culture/attitude comes from, but it isn't from reading all of the Book of Mormon, D&C, Old Testament, New Testament, Pearl of Great Price, Apocrypha (which Joseph Smith suggested is worthwhile in the midst of the spirit). READ. THE. SCRIPTURES. Wokeness is NOT a scriptural principal conglomerate, it is a perversion of true principles.
This may start a fight, but who ate the apple first? And it raises interesting questions about the recent changes to the women's covenants in the endowment.
Thanks, Greg! I appreciate your groundedness. I appreciate your warning us of what we are up against. God will have a true Zion people, not a people that say, "All is well in Zion, Zion prospereth." If they say this then they have overestimated their position and do not understand the great challenges that President Nelson has been warning us are on the horizon. Our Savior wants us to discover the joy and happiness in becoming true Zion that transcends the banality in which we think we find joy. All the holy Prophets through all ages have looked in anticipation of our day when we finally figure it out. That day happens in the future after the storm which is almost upon us. Isaiah prophesies of us, the drunkards of Ephraim. And after the consequences, destructions and sanctifying for those that were far from becoming Zion (noted all throughout the scriptures but especially Isaiah). He will gather us in love and set his hand a second time to recover us. We must become Zion to build Zion. We must become Zion so that we can gather great multitudes to Zion. Becoming Zion is the purpose of it all but so many of us are complacent and content to just have a membership in the country club. I so wish that they would listen more closely to what President Nelson and the Apostles are trying to tell us and teach us.
I see them in my IG feed all the time. A shocking number of anti Mormon accounts led by women. Not surprisingly, a large number of scantily clad Only Fans women too. It’s all part of our corrupt culture that has also infected our LDS women.
Dear Greg, Hope you make it back to your hotel in one piece. You should deaden the surf sound and play the theme from Jaws instead. I'm a lot older than you but I learned something a few years ago that I found of value. A good friend of mine, since deceased, told me that one cannot win an argument with a feminist by using logic. Arguments from logic and reason are not something that can persuade a hard-core feminist. They cannot process them. Have to use emotional arguments instead. Instead of saying here are the data or proof, simply say that is a very harmful viewpoint. Take away their feeble weapons. If you finally get frustrated, simply demand their proof or define terms - that always gets everyone. Trust this debating technique, it actually works. I think too many young women know that they've bought the farm and their life will be a lot poorer if they hold onto their beliefs. Have a little compassion for them. There is a pain deep inside them. All LDS and non-LDS owe you a heartful thanks. Keep up the fight! Steve
I think this is more nuanced than any controversial topic facing the church. They may well have been giving in to radical women when they did it, but the brethren are the ones that have changed the position of the church from strict patriarchy to "equal partners." Points to remember: 1. The church and the gospel are not identical. 2. The brethren are fallible. 3. Most often the truth lies between ideological extremes. I concede that "toxic matriarchy" can be as damaging as "toxic patriarchy." I definitely think the world at large is moving toward the feminization of men, which is lamentable. OTOH I have a sister who feels marginalized by her husband, but won't concede that taking patriarchy too far is the cause of much of her misery. She subconsciously reasons thus: "Who can argue with God? If God says it, it must be true." (I don't even think she realizes she reasons this way.) It's heartbreaking to see her in a prison of her own making. If we go back to old paradigms of a husband's role being to rule, we can't forget to introspectively ask if we are doing so within the limitations of D.&C. 121. The degree to which the church encourages the feminization of men is just yet another symptom of the church going into apostasy. There's a middle of the road approach that avoids falling into the trap of black and white thinking in this regard. Patriarchy correctly lived is not the same as feminism.
I try to avoid the anti-Mormon social medial influencers so I have no idea who Jeff is referring to here. Are we talking about the ones currently who are trying to convince everyone that Joseph Smith wasn't a polygamist and that Brigham Young conjured it all up on his own for selfish reasons? Those guys?
The problem with your comment is that it isn’t people doing this out of thin air, it is the historical record being brought to light. The most convincing evidence in no way comes from the opinion of people who have studied this and are exposing the record, it is the historical record and especially the words and actions of Brigham Young and his polygamist combination. We have been lied to about our history. When you read with your own eyes the sermons and teachings of Brigham Young and his polygamist cabal, your stomach turns in disgust. When you read every sermon and testimony of Joseph Smith dealing with polygamy including former section D&C 101, every one of them is completely against it. Every piece of so called “evidence” is hearsay manufactured after the death of Joseph Smith. Here’s only one example. Here is a verse from D&C 132, a so called revelation that no one ever heard of until Brigham pulled it out of his desk in 1852 64 And again, verily, verily, I say unto you, if any man have a wife, who holds the keys of this power, and he teaches unto her the law of my priesthood, as pertaining to these things, then shall she believe and administer unto him, or she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord your God; for I will destroy her; for I will magnify my name upon all those who receive and abide in my law. These poor women were threatened with death if they did not support polygamy. This is not from God! Moreover, Brigham claimed that Joseph taught polygamy and Emma rejected it. Emma was not destroyed, neither were the many, many other women who divorced these wicked church leaders because of their polygamy, proving this scripture false. Brigham’s third wife, Augusta Adams Cobb was still married to her husband when Brigham sealed himself to her. Where is that allowed in 132? Parley P. Pratt was murdered by the husband of the wife he stole and sealed to himself when she was still married. Brigham also taught in General Conference that a man with higher priesthood keys could take the wife of a man with lower priesthood keys, and he did it. Just honestly look into it for I believe that this evil is truly what is at the center of why so many women are fighting against the church. Polygamy has always been our greatest stumbling block for it it’s evil and it has never been of God. Joseph Smith Never practiced or taught it and in fact, was vehemently against it.
Some of them, yes. There are those (like Julie Hanks) who don't deny Joseph practiced plural marriage but claim it was wrong to do so. Then there are others (like Michelle Stone) who claimed he never practiced it, it started with Brigham, and it was wrong. Obviously they're both wrong and have been flirting with apostasy for some time.
@ the only reason you are saying this is because you have not looked at the historical documents. There is not a single document from Joseph Smith where he ever taught or practiced polygamy. Every document, sermon, and revelation from Joseph Smith and Hyrum on this topic was completely against polygamy. Every document claiming that Joseph and Hyrum did practice and teach polygamy all were manufactured years after his death by Brigham Young and his combination of polygamist or were a result of the polygamist false claims that Joseph was secretly teaching this. An accusation that he, Hyrum, and Emma denied on every occasion. See the 1835 edition of the D&C section 101 on marriage that was removed in 1880 for one scriptural example. Joseph, Hyrum, and Emma were doing everything in their power to rid the church of this great evil. Brigham Young altered our church history to try to fabricate his false polygamy narrative. Brigham taught that Joseph Smith was “lying for the Lord” and impossibility for a God who cannot lie. So, make your choice, believe that Joseph Smith lied to his wife, lied to his family, lied to the women whom he was accused of being sealed to, lied to the members of the church, and lied to the world, or it was Brigham Young who was lying. Here’s a little clue. Brigham’s third wife was Augusta Adams Cobb. Brigham persuaded her to leave her husband and 5 of her 7 children and run off with him to Nauvoo where he secretly had Augusta sealed to him as his third wife, when she was still married to her husband. Her husband finally received a divorce on the grounds of Augusta’s adultery. The most condemning evidence is Brigham Young’s own teachings and practices on polygamy. They will sicken any follower of Christ for they were so vile and just plain evil. Parley P. Pratt was also murdered by the husband of a woman whom he had sealed to him while she was also still married. When you learn what really happened with these early church leaders, it will sicken you it was so vile, abusive and nothing short of whoredoms.
@@markstimson983 I have looked at the historical documents. Like apostates always do, you and other revisionists act like you're more informed than everyone else, including Church leaders. When it really comes down to you being spiritually immature, not being able to handle the issue of plural marriage, and twisting the doctrine and history to your liking. It's not a coincidence so many who go down this revisionist road have either left the Church or are on the way out. I suspect you're no exception.
@@markstimson983Nonsense. There's nothing in the historical documents (and that includes the JSP) that has changed anything. You and other revisionists simply (mis)interpret both Gospel doctrine and Church history because you're spiritually immature and can't handle the issue of plural marriage. It's those like yourself who are out of step with the Brethren. And it's no coincidence that so many who go down this revisionist road have either left the Church or are on the way out.
Don’t know which ones Greg is singling out, but I see a lot of different anti Mormon IG accounts in my feed, similar in number to the only fans chicks advertising their goods
Fight, fight, fight for every soul! But you can never forget the words of the Father: " The number of people who reject my gospel will be like the sands on the beach and the stars in the sky."
I am realizing that among many women in the Church, it seems that unless the husband essentially says to his wife whenever she disagrees with him: "Eve, I see that this is so. I will partake that man might be" -- unless the husband says something like this, the wife goes ballistic, accuses him of patriarchy, unrighteous dominion, sexism and misogynistic, oppression of women, etc,....
No, but that is definitely going against doctrine and history. And corvettedude hit it on the head, it's going down the apostacy path. It is also enough to keep one out of the temple, or should be.
Makes me think of content creators who are so antagonistic towards the church, who on top of everything you're mentioning, go and take it as far as wearing temple clothing and making a mockery of core elements of the endowment ceremony in plain view on youtube as they critique it all. It's pretty alarming to see such blatant disrespect for the Lord. Such individuals have lost all sense of that which is sacred, if they ever had it to begin with.
I agree with you on this topic. I've watched the feminization of men for decades now, and I have always stood up against it verbally among my peers. Once, while teaching Sunday school and during that lesson, I had an elderly man comment thanking me for standing up for men and the priesthood. I love strong, righteous men and know that they are good for society. I also love strong, righteous women who stand side by side with those good men, not to take away their authority but to back them up. Thank you for pointing this out. We're free to choose, and I choose not to let social media influencers be my guides.
Remember abortion just past up to the day of birth . A large portion of the church voted for it
This is interesting that you touched on this topic. I am in an lds moms group with 10s of thousands of lds women and I have been shocked what I see in that group. I have commented to my husband about how surprised I am with how many women preach things in that group that are very much against church doctrine. The general feel of the group is "do what makes you happy and God will understand". 😳 If any woman even brings up the topic of "modesty" (in support of it - wanting to teach their daughters) they will get virtually stoned to death by the other women. It's wild. The vast majority of these women are in Utah. I have never lived in Utah and the women are generally different outside of Utah, but I see these Utah women influencing other women and unfortunately the women are very easily influenced for some reason. It's gotten to a point where hundreds of us have joined another group whose admin has vowed to keep things in line with church doctrine because we are tired of not being able to express our LDS views in an LDS GROUP!
I have lived in Utah for 25 years now and I know exactly what you are talking about. Definitely not all LDS women here are this way, but there is a very strong overtone of new wave feminism, worshiping and upholding of their children over God, constant seeking of the divine feminine and other fringe topics. We have a ton of affluent, suburban, girl-boss women here that are having a lot of sway on future generations. It has been sort of wild to watch it progress over the past 10 years.
Glad you switched groups! Sad commentary about the fall of women.
It is amazing how vicious "Christian" women can be when someone challenges their feminist orthodoxy. Jesus warned us against the wolves.
That's very interesting. I live in Washington DC. This region (statistically) has a very low population of members but it's honestly amazing. The wards here are great, the women are amazing and spiritual. I feel like I'm constantly surrounded by great examples of Christ's love. I can't imagine being in a ward where the women are undermining the gospel and leading people away. I would definitely stand up to that.
I’ve seen it with some men in leadership positions in my area. It’s shocking to me. Some are questioning the leadership.
It’s very sad to see
PS: Thanks for bringing Avraham Gileadi back to our attention! I’ve been studying Isaiah through his books for a whole year and have signed up for his TH-cam class that begins 06 February, “Search Diligently” and will run for an entire YEAR!!
I wish the General Sunday School admin would give the Church a year class on Isaiah!!
As an elementary school teacher, I would argue that children ARE ruling--they are ruling their families. Children are being given far too much power--to their own detriment.
Certainly. I also sometimes wonder if the term “children” applies to individuals who have reached the age of adulthood, but have not matured. Grown children, if you will.
Thank you so much for this true and needful message! Relief Society has become a struggle session, therapy session, and venting against the brethren session and too few ladies dare take the social lashing that comes with speaking the true doctrine of Christ. The tyranny of compassion is real and although well-intentioned is destroying souls. Christ created men and women. He set men to lead his church. He gives commandments not suggestions. Modesty and virtue matter. Affirming a lie isn’t kindness. Sacrifice and bending our will to His are part of the plan and often we will have to walk by faith until we receive more knowledge about why. Please keep voicing the truth Greg. Many women are very very grateful!
Used to home-teach a guy who was innactive. Had been a strong leader in the Elder's Quorum until his wife left him. She bad-mouthed him in the ward and he became innactive. Of course it was all his fault, right. Well, fast forward, his children all left her to live with him. He remarried a non-member and when she was pregnant she was expressing the desire to become Mormon. He resisted and honestly told me he did not want his wife spiritually polluted by Relief Society. He wanted his family to stay together and that was at odds with her joining.
@@edwardsson777 that is horrible! My RS hasn't done any bad mouthing or negative talk and I hope it stays that way.
As long as we as a church and as a society,prioritize niceness over truth, we will continue to decline.
Which is exactly what QWIC did with the Muslim issue.
@@shanekelly6311 The modern church is the entity obscuring a great many significant truths.
Seriously! We are a bit more “nice” than we are principled.
there is a lot of Nice Talk but the action is limping behind. The worst part is that they won’t believe or recognize that problem to the point of announcing and declaring “we are the good ones!” And that’s appalling. I got myself in trouble over open criticism. Hey, they say “all are welcome “. Nobody wants to visit and when in need there is no support nor any ministering. When criticizing that they decided to put me and my family on the “unassigned ministering “ list, as if that’s the solution. Ineptitude . lesson to learn? Complaining and trying to provoke positive change among pharisees is useless. Talking nice is the vomit of drunken sailor.
My wife has fallen away, but continues to tell me how to conduct my service in my calling, or how to do things that she disagrees with in the handbook of instructions. . I've had to finally come to telling her, "I understand you don't agree with the church, but this is how I'm going to serve the Lord."
Wow! My husband left the church in 2016. We tried to make our marriage work for eight years of suffering. He lied for the last time and left five months ago.
My wife is very feminine. She wants me to remain masculine. She wants and loves a real man grounded in the gospel and holding the priesthood. I work to be that for us. She has a powerful testimony of the gospel. I refer to her as stubbornly faithful. She wears that label proudly.
I have several women in my extended family and friend group who have fallen or are currently falling for exactly this kind of thing. Thanks for bringing this to light Greg.
Look up Wilhelm Reich and learn how this anti-Freudian collapsed western morality.
@@ZachGorham44 Leaving the modern LDS church is NOT synonymous with “losing their faith”.
@ if you read my comment again I didn’t claim that the two are synonymous. However, much of the time that is the case. People that I know who have left tend to gravitate toward some form of agnosticism or atheism. Rarely do people retain their faith in God or join another religion. That’s just my empirical observation.
@ Ok. With that, I agree. Sorry. I did misunderstand what you meant.
I still believe in the Book of Mormon, and that Joseph was a prophet…but everything involving Brigham and after him, is suspect…or demonstrably untrue.
@@brijsmi072 I think many people employ the same tactics against Brigham Young as we have seen used against Donald Trump by the left-wing media.
I have related this very thing on other TH-cam channels. In our ward, the exodus of ward families that occurred during the pandemic was led by the moms. the moms dropped out, and then led the rest of the family away. The old stereotype of the "stalwart mom" full of faith, bringing their kids to church alone while the "deadbeat dad" is home watching football... Things, at least in my world, seem to be opposite now: dads (like me, unfortunately) going to church alone since mom has lost any interest in the Church. There are a number of dads like me in just the ward that I am in.
I’m sorry, I can only imagine how difficult that must be. If don’t mind me my asking? What was it the led your wife and others’ away from the Church?
@@Azriel640 While I am not privy to everyone's history, I can definitely say that the source has been a certain document that has been circulating for about 5 or 6 years now. I won't name it, because people who haven't heard about it (if there are any?) will Google it. Once the dominos started falling, people use social media to directly proselytize active Church members to question their faith. I had suggested, as the Gospel Doctrine teacher that we try best to get ahead of it. Maybe a few special 5th Sunday topics? Unfortunately, the instinct is to keep Sunday meetings at a pretty basic level and not delve into the deeper topics. Yes, I understand the why and I am not trying to be critical.
It's like what Greg is saying this video: we HAVE TO deal with all these issues. The prophet was not joking when he said that we are past the point where spiritual survival is possible without truly being enlightened by the Holy Ghost. Good luck, everyone.
I have 3 stalwart brothers in my ward, younger than me, coming with their kids and without their wives. It's wild to see.
@ thanks for sharing. And yeah you’re absolutely right. I know what document you’re referring to. I’m reminded about what Elder Bednar taught once about how we, as individuals and families need to be responsible for our own relationship with the Savior. It’s not enough to simply have a testimony, or go to church and do the basics. We must be converted. That Includes the reference you made to the prophet’s council and even Greg’s point in the video. Learning the “mysteries of the Kingdom” will come from personal revelation in our own studies, our homes and in the Lord’s universities (the Holy Temple)
And you can't put your foot down, telling them they have to come back, because the church has bent to the culture so much over the years that there's no semblance of a patriarchy anymore. They'll just tell you you're being "controlling".
I agree completely. I have so many once faithful friends who have fallen away because of their activities on social media. It always starts so small, and it always starts with “self care” and “self improvement.” I noticed a pattern awhile ago, and now I can target almost every step that will be taken before they step away from the church altogether.
Can you elaborate more on what the pattern is and what these steps are? It's important to know so we can see it happens and warn others of what's happening.
@@kyra7578 agree. People have to "live their best lives" downhill from there.
@@JC-qz3zr If you understand the foundations of Wilhelm Reich, coupled with the activities of the US government to reduce marriage and birth rates, it all makes sense, but probably best to start with understanding Edward Bernays. I suggest you read his classic work "Propaganda." You can find it online in PDF form.
It's hard when feminism is basically preached in church. For years, men have been told that they suck and need to repent, and then in the women's meetings they're told that women are doing great, and shouldn't be so hard on themselves. I am grateful for the stance that the church leaders made in the Family Proclamation regarding family roles, but The church leaders appear to be so scared of the feminist backlash PR that they continually appear to side with the feminist narrative that men are bad and women are great. It's discouraging as a Priesthood holder. Does anyone else feel this way?
One of my sons has often said the same thing. We totally agree with you.
I have noted not only the feminization of men but seen their roles be diminished, mocked and disabled in popular culture and television and media for decades. I hate it, and hate the effect it has on boys growing up, as a mother of men myself. What I would offer is that ALL of us, both male and female, must be repenting every day, while not being made to feel overbearing perfectionism and discouragement. We should support one another to be the best kind of role model within our respective genders.
@@blueridgebrothers Absolutely.
I stopped watching priesthood session live about ten years ago. The church has a clear double standard when it comes to slamming men and lifting up women for the same behavior. It is called "pedestaling."
25 years ago, men who weren't married by age 25 were still "menaces to society", while women who aren't married by 25 trying to get degrees and turning down dates are praised and comforted.
I don’t see that coming from the church leaders. I think certain directions and choices the church takes can be interpreted as caving to feminist demands, but actually it’s Gods will. For example the change of veil use in the endowment session. Some say the church changed it to appease feminists, but removing the veil is a sign of the bridegroom approaching. Satan is loud and he works hard to dilute Gods work, reduce its impact, and even take credit for it. We must have faith/trust that the Lord governs His church.
In many conversations on separate occasions with brethren, they tell me that their testimony are average, their wives, on the other hand, are the spiritual giants. I think this contributed partly to this problem. The brethren are not utilizing the priesthood as they should. They are asleep on the watch and making mimimal efforts with their covenant relationship with God. This creates a situation where the wife feels like she has to pick up the slack to hold the family together. They are often the ones who are studying the scriptures, attending the temple, and serving others. We really need our men to step up and be the patriarchal head of the family beyond financially supporting their families. My previous bishop gave my adult daughter runabouts on doctrine answers. He is a crowd pleaser and more of a liberal.
I know a woman who is active in Church, but when she married strong men, she divorced them. Called them "controlling." Her daughter came to her senses, got off anti-depressants, and has converted to Islam where you have clear support of patriarchal leadership and feminin ideals.
They are that way because they mothers dominated the home as well. If most of these men began to reassert righteous leadership, their wives would file for divorce, I have seen it. I am one of those men weak men encounter from time to time that encourages them to read the scriptures and live the example they set. That says a weak man is not a good or righteous man. I dont teach teddy bear Jesus. Most like 85 percent of the wives cant stand me. The males stop being friends. the wife keeps control. Divorce , affairs, porn addiction, male and female are the general consequences for women dominated homes. Women can not respect and are not attracted to a man they can control and yet that is exactly what they are taught to do and the men are taught to let them.
@@edwardsson777 I know many of them. They will not submit to their husbands but they submit to govt and the prophet. Because those are not in their home. Follow the Prophet is the way for lds feminists to steal the leadership of the home
Great topic and wholeheartedly agree with you! I was drawn in to the ex-mormon community for a couple years. So grateful to be back on the covenant path and back to the temple after 17 years. Have so much gratitude for people like you who are not afraid to stand up for the truth!
So happy you are here!
I'm a 72 male priesthood holder , we married in the manti temple and herse i am 48 years later , still married to her 5 children (home schooled) 15 grand children and one great grand child. Testimony still strong . Its with my sons that the world iz chipping away at. Over all i am counting my blessing.
@@roymadison5686 hi Roy. I too am 72 LDS. Alone now I have less attraction to pew sitting meetings but have gratefully moved to the best spiritual growth ever with amazing experiences almost daily.
Thanks Greg! Yes, I agree 100%. Good, thought-provoking content. Social media is toxic. I am a high school teacher and smart phones are ruining so much - including education. Women are obsessed with social media and are leading the anti-train. Thanks again and Merry Christmas!🎄🎁
Merry Christmas!
I'm an old guy now. I have been through all phases of life. Got big time cancer so going home soon. I Iived the teaching of the gospel. I worked a lot of dangerous jobs to support my kids. I loved it! Went to Church every week with my 5 kids. They have the protection of the gospel. They think well, and make or made a lot of money! One of high rank in the military used to be assigned over seas to "take care of business" ! The boys & girls are tough and smart. They taught thier famlies the gospel. There kids do amazing things. They don't need me around. They know what is right and wrong, and are living spectacular lives!
Congratulations, brother! I hope when it's my time I can feel such well deserved peace of mind.
I’m 81 yrs old. I love what you are saying. I support the 15 men that God has placed in positions to care for each of his children.
I have much to say but I won’t. Thank you again for you being courageous enough to support
Gloria Don👵🏻
Please speak up, don't hold back your thoughts.
Thank you Greg (from a woman), for having the courage to say it like it is! I agree that the spoken word...makes things more "real". I'm thinking/feeling that the return of masculinity is warming up and I am SO grateful. Thanks for this podcast...please keep going and expound~
I’m am appalled by the number of people who support openly hostile apostates like Hanks and Stone, and still claim to be faithful members.
The hardest class I ever took in college was the one titled “Leadership.” The curriculum was based on Heifetz’s model of leadership that defines it as “the art and act of getting people to confront, assess, and deal with problematic realities.” It was based on the premise that authority exists to maintain a status quo while leadership calls upon people to change. But change or repentance is often too difficult for people to do. It is what got Gahndi, King, Kennedy, and Christ assassinated. It is what eventually shut the mouths of all the holy prophets who were stoned, crucified, or sawn asunder.
Like you, I am engaged in the cause of Christ in defense of His kingdom and His anointed servants. My life is to sustain and defend His church. I commend you for sounding the alarm and calling people to consider the cause of your warnings. I admire your bravery. The 15 are commissioned to be harmless as doves so there are divinely appointed limits on what they will do and I wholeheartedly sustain their actions. I will follow their example and I will also decry the evil that threatens our civilization the same way the prophets in the Book of Mormon did. Keep it up, Greg. I see your heart and I know you are right.
Are you one of the three Nephites?
In my ward alone I have seen a dozen women leave the church and take their husband and children with them, and in each case I wondered how the husband could just follow the wife and make no stand
I was the mom at church with her four boys all by herself, I was there every Sunday, and every Monday my sons and I had family home evening
And because we are a homeschool family scriptures were read every morning
I was on a mission to knit the hearts of my children to Heavenly Father
I do not understand the young women in the church today…
I agree 👍. I can't imagine raising kids in this world without gospel principles and guidelines. A recipe for disaster, in my opinion. I too took my 4 sons to church by myself mainly each week. Even though two have fallen away, I still know their sins are on their own heads and not mine.
When men are in love with their wives they will do anything they want.
In one of my wards years ago, two families were torn apart when the husband of one( in the bishopric) and the wife of the other lived next door to each other and had an affair.
The husband of the cheating wife agreed to move and have the cheating bishopric member live on their property and have an open marriage. The ex bishopric member then eventually went trans and they continued the relationship.
The husband of the cheating wife just went along with everything because he didn't want to lose her.
I can't imagine what this has done to their children. And this is not a rare case unfortunately. Families are torn apart everyday by stuff like this.
I think there is some problematic messaging in modern Christianity, our church included. Women are put up on a pedestal as being morally superior to men in every way. Many times when a Stake President has visited my Elders' quorum lessons they have told us that anytime we have disagreement with our wives we need to just accept that she is always right because she is naturally more spiritual than us. In my own marriage I've been accused of unrighteous dominion for not agreeing with my wife. I think this pedestalization is not fair to girls/women. Girls/Women are just as flawed as men, just in different ways. We have complimentary strengths and weaknesses. Expecting them to be morally superior places unrealistic expectations on them. Then in some cases some women will drink the cool-aid and think that they are morally superior to their husbands.
@@Crochet_bro
Agreed!!
I think some of this is the women revolting against the “submit” to your husband direction in scripture not understanding what submit means when Heavenly Father uses that word, their knee jerk reaction sends them off the deep end, and they take their families with them
So sad…
@@kristinpruett7733 wow, in the words of country song “what kind of love must that be?”
I love that you stand up for this, I cannot stand imbalance and feminism… Jared Halverson made a statement on his podcast that the pendulum in society swings to one extreme to the other. For instance during WWII there was extreme communism & forced religion, then after that extreme from the 60s till now the pendulum has swung away from religion to free love … both extremes are wrong, there needs to be balance of both sides. I am so sick of hearing these women tearing down our society. There’s an amazing article called “ Women have become the lesser man”. And it is so sad that we are breaking all these eternal principles. You remind me of my husband. Masculinity is crucial we need righteous men who lead our families with strength and support from their wives!
I am a 65 year old woman and I couldn't agree with you more.
I'll also add, my 6'8" husband is extremely masculine, as are my seven sons. The fact that I play basketball doesn't threaten them. The fact that I have a voice and strong opinions doesn't threaten them either. Strong, masculine men are actually not threatened by women's voices.
@@MichelleBStone Nice try but this isn't about women having strong voices. It's about whether those voices are righteous and teaching truth. Those, like yourself and Julie Hanks, don't teach truth but falsehood that conflict with the Restored Gospel and Church leaders. The only difference between you and someone like Alyssa Grenfell is she does her damage from outside the Church while you do yours from within. You, Grenfell, Julie Hanks, etc are all spiritual cancers.
Amen dear sister. Greg does a lot of good but he doesn't understand that the thing leading people out of the church is not those of you who are exposing the hidden truth, it is the fact that the leaders still are trying to keep it hidden. People think Brigham was a righteous man of God. I decided to get to know him for myself and sadly I learned that he was not a righteous man of God. He was a horrible person. Anything but a righteous man of God. I appreciate you and others bringing to light the hidden documents of our not so humble history. Yes, it has spurred me on to learn truth and do more of my own research but the past is not what is affecting me and so many others, it is the coverups, half truths and the outright lies coming from our leaders. There is too much good and too many wonderful people in this church for me to throw it all away but I do realize that the leaders have much repenting to do.
It'll be awesome when they multiply strong wives hereafter
@@icecreamladydriver1606 It's misleading fools like yourself who Michelle is going to have to do her own repenting. She's wrong on that issue and many others. If you watch enough of her videos, you quickly see she's so ignorant of even basic doctrines she has no business (and I use that word intentionally) doing a TH-cam channel on anything Church-related.
@icecreamladydriver1606 You and Michelle can keep each other company when you're both out of the Church.
Greg, you're absolutely spot on. These women "influencers" are dangerous. We need to be diligent, and discuss these things with our kids so they are aware of what's happening and how to combat it.
Which influencers? Still waiting for a list of the dangerous people we all need to steer clear from.
Agree completely!! We must wake up!!!! I have learned much from your channel, you have enlightened my sensitivity to all these subtle and not so subtle dangerous erosive behaviors! Stand up believers and SPEAK!! The bad speaks loudly!!!!
Empower yourself and your testimony!!! With strength and love!!❤️
I love the idea of mobile messages. All of our senses are captured when you share an episode with amazing scenery. The message resonates so well. Thank you so much!
Well, I may be wrong, but I'm about 90% sure we dropped the Priesthood session at conference due to the constant complaining by the fringe feminist movement within the church (even though the women had their own session also). Nobody has been able to give me a valid reason for dropping it, not even the First Presidency unfortunately. The lesson to learn here is to never bend the knee to the angry mob, because it will never be enough. But hey, I may be wrong, just my thoughts.
I agree with that statement - and have thought the same thing myself.
Read the scriptures AND the conference talks that speak to women. The adversary knows that women are capable of great influence. For good and for evil. I do believe that’s why so many of our prophets talked about the need for good women to stand up and speak out.
I don’t know if there are so many more women than men leading in the anti religion/mormon movement…. But without question they seem to be more effective.
I’ve also listened to a number of podcasts lead by women that are so good. And so impactful. The Come Back Podcast is one of those ❤
Love the Comeback Podcast!!
One thing that I think that keeps men from talking about how women are effect by these influencers is that very much so in modern Christianity, our church included, is that women are pedestalized. Many of our leaders(both local and general), especially in General Priesthood meetings, tend to paint women as semi-divine beings who are morally superior to men in every way. For years I took those teachings seriously. When President Monson would tell us that the Lord counts every tear of our wives against us it led me to place where I thought I wasn't worthy to go to the temple. My wife will cry if I'm reading something for more than a couple of minutes in her presence. At least it used to back when I used to read. Now I stay up late and wake up early to read(scriptures included). I know I'm not abusive and I know longer feel guilty when she cries over trivial things.
You are so right! Society, including some Church members, teach that women can do no wrong. Truly, the natural woman is as bad as the natural man!
Your wife sounds very selfish and demanding. She needs to get some counseling and I don't mean that in a mean way.
I've said this privately to my wife a few times. This is a difficult time it seems to me, for the sisters in the church. Not all. But many.
It's like 1846.
So where do the women turn to for strength? Maybe Candace Owens or Naomi Wolf. Yes, the scriptures are the foundation, but if you live in the sewer we call the western nations, you need spiritual and intellectual support hand-in-hand.
Im going to be honest but I'm my opinion this is at the feet of the 15. For the past 15+ years all they've said was "Men you're failing at being better Priesthood holders be there for your wife and kids", at the same time they say to the women " you're perfect in every way possible Heavenly Father loves you so much there's nothing to change about you" every 6 months. At some point the men will lose interest because look at the stats Men do more in the home than ever before. It's either we work 18+ hours a day and mid our kids and grow distant from our wives providing for them or not being able to provide for them because you're at home trying to be the Dad so many of us didn't have which was being present. You talked about the law of chastity well let's be real honset here if a Dad has a gay/lesbian child he has no issue with cutting that kid off, if the dad is a religious person. But the mom will gladly throw out her belief system for a kid because they care more about the kid than everything else.
There's a phrase...the men in who control the women control the men.
The LDS church might look like a patriarchal type organization of male authority....but don't let that fool you...yes men are the ones leading the church but those men are actually running it like a matriarchy. The golden calf of our day is actually putting women in a pedestal and we're being indoctrinated with goddess worship. I've brought this up many times. The pride cycle is actually men chasing after women and competing for women for sex with other men. You have dating apps making women think they are better than average guys, majority of men can't get into a physical relationship, men are told to you know just step up and ask women out even though they view only as a friend or brother and thats after you pay for the date. Stop looking at porn yet completely ignoring women sleeping around before marriage and refuse to criticize them. Men are always held accountable for their actions women are not. Now the only men I see getting married to these masculine feminists in the church are emasculated feminized effeminate beta males who have no self respect for themselves and will do the happy wife happy life codependent crap in their marriage. Sorry Christ when he walked the earth his messages were targeted to improving men. If this church is ran by Christ himself what changed? We are repelling masculine men and pandering to women. And then the church wonders why it's collapsing. Great book about this is why men hate going to church by David Murrow
Look at the women outside the church. They are even worse off. To put this at the feet of the 15 is missing the larger context of what is happening in our society. Feminism is much more to be blamed.
Could the 15 have been more forceful? Perhaps. Putting it at their feet goes way too far.
Women raise their babies and love them not matter what. Men are on Mars are not interested in supporting their family.
I agree exacly. For my entire life general conference can be summed up as chastize the men for never doing enough and praising the women for being who they are. It doesn't matter that all the men I knew in the church had difficult careers that allowed their wives to stay home and raise the children. It didn't matter that all those men held leadership church callings and took them seriously and as a result were not home for longer periods of time, and it didn't matter that those men sacrificed everything they had for their families. They all sat in every single priesthood meeting and were chastized for doing the best they could and their wives typically had their perfect angels talks.
I grew up in a home of all brothers until I was 14 when my mom gave birth to my sister. So I never grew up with a girl in the home other than my mom. So I relied heavily on what others told me how women acted.
I believed every word that came out of general conference when I was a young boy, even their talks about womens inherent goodness. It has taken me decades to realize how un Christlike women regularly behave. I got really lucky and married a good women. But she has her moments no different than I do.
@@breezeistlime96
We have a gay daughter and both my husband and I love her unconditionally. My husband is a good, righteous priesthood holder and we are both faithful members of the church. The situation hasn’t changed who we are or our love for our daughter. It wasn’t easy in the beginning and I wish it wasn’t so, but she’s a good person and God loves her.
I totally agree with you, Greg. I see it everywhere more and more each day, and it's sad. Thanks for sharing.
While I know this is out of topic of what this video is about, it does go hand and hand with a lot of what you talk about regarding the unfortunate changes we are seeing in even the most devout members of the church and I’m sincerely hoping I can get your (or anyone else’s) advice on something. I moved to Draper UT (originally from MS) in January of 2024. I was astonished at the amount of LGBTQ pride in the members out here. Last Sunday I went to church and saw pride flag on the back of a members SUV. For some reason, this really ate away at me. Look, I love all people, gay, straight, doesn’t matter. But how can we as members support something that is contrary to the gospel of Jesus Christ not to mention the proclamation of the family, and why are we not allowed to speak up about this? Why? Because we don’t want to offend? That’s absurd. I guess my question is.. am I wrong for feeling this way? I’m telling you, it’s really taken a toll on me.
Unfortunately, it's become "fashionable" within the Church (especially in Utah) to support the pride movement and other far-left causes. Why? I'm not completely sure. Maybe it's about being "nice." I'll never support it, but I have members of my ward who do, even my former bishop and his wife!
Hawaii Honolulu Mission alum here! Finished my mission in Lahaina, Maui. Aloha and safe travels!
I enjoyed your walk by the ocean. I was a Sailor over 50 years ago. I am not much in touch with the problems that you talk about as I have become somewhat disabled in my old age I get my church attendance though the Internet. I fully believe that women form a backbone of our families and should be revered for their support. As they become corrupted we are in big trouble.
Thank you so much for this message. I 100% agree. As a mother of 3 daughters this is constantly on my mind. Teaching the doctrine from the scriptures has helped them to recognize sophistry. Teaching, defending and following the doctrine of Christ is the way to recognize truth.
Merry Christmas!
As a Latter Day Saint woman I could not agree with you more!
Totally agree…all I can think about is that I wish I were in Maui!
I've felt sick to my stomach over some of these social media women influencers. They twist and demean.
I for one am not on social media. I left Facebook 3 1/2 years ago. I do get on TH-cam, but even that I'm very selective. I have limited channels I watch. I have unsubscribed to many that are LDS because I don't feel the spirit watching their channel.
You must be my doppelganger.....this is my story too!❤❤
I have been fortunate that this has not hit my ward and stake very hard. I my local community and schools this is out of control and is brought into the wards by the young women that attend their local schools. This is a very scary epidemic, I have seen first hand what feminizing a work place can do and how society can spiral down when masculinity is pushed out of society. My wife brings it up all the time. She is feed up with the area we live in and has been labeled as a crazy person for speaking out about it. Thanks for speaking up Greg
Good for your wife for speaking up, even if her voice is not appreciated.
The prophets have been talking about this stuff for decades. Even my mom (RIP) told me about how her dad, who was a stake president back in the 1930s, once gave a talk about how women would become more wicked than men in the last days. She told me that this seemed ridiculous when she heard it as a little girl, but before passing several years ago, she told me that everything that she has heard is now coming true. The non-LDS Christian denominations (who are our friends and need to be treated that way) will often say that they know it is the last days because so many signs we are seeing are predicted in the Bible.
Without a belief in an open-canon and ongoing revelation, they have no way of knowing what new things the world invents will be acceptable to God. Birth control, can be used for good, but is too often used to escape the responsibilities of motherhood and the evil one has successfully vilified it so most young girls will not even admit they want to be mothers. It started out with the choice to be a mother or not, now it's turning into compulsory for women to be a major bread winner.
Wow. Reminds of of a reported statement from the prophet Joseph Smith that in the last days the only women willing to bear children would be those of our faith. I hope we don't see this trend growing within the Church as well, but I'm afraid...!
Merry Christmas Greg and everyone else here. May you continue to experience the importance of the Christmas Season.
Not sure my impressions are correct, but until earlier this year, I had never or rarely seen the men outnumber the women in a temple endowment session, but I’ve been seeing it regularly in recent months at the Ogden, UT temple I usually attend. I’ve been pondering the cause of this phenomenon - maybe it has something to do with what Greg is speaking of here.
I have also been seeing this. I'm in Washington state.
I've attended all day in 17 Utah temples, including Ogden. The only times I see more men are in early morning sessions. Doesn't mean anything but I still agree with Isaiah, the Lord straightens out the Daughters and there will be seven women for every man.
I am an ordinance worker at the Jordan River Temple. We used to never see the men outnumber the women. It’s becoming more common.
@CameronVanTassell same here going to Washington Temple.
It all depends on what time you go.
I’m glad you’re talking about this. It helps us be aware of what’s going on around us and to be better prepared for it.
Keep sharing your opinions, it’s helped me be more aware and less naïve. 😊
First of all, righteous, faithful, women are extremely important! A correct reading of the term "helpmeet" in Hebrew is "Strength, Companion, Power to rescue others". "Helper" comes from the English translation.
A long time ago & read a prophecy (unfortunately can't remember where) that basically said at the time of the Savior's 2nd Coming, there would be only a Tith of a Tith still faithful to the Church. That is a very small number. I am striving to be one of that group. I pray for & worry for those women or men who teach anyone, primary, youth, adult, false doctrine & twist the Scriptures, allowing teachings of the world to be mingled with Scripture. They are using their own opinion not the Lord's. The world is very alluring & past grievances can let the world creep in over faith. It does take faith, effort & belief to walk the path & gain the Tree. The Beatitudes in Matthew 5 - do not end with verse 9. You have to be willing to endure to the end which includes Matt 5:10-13. Which means, depending on what you really want, will get uncomfortable. We are, however, told in the Scriptures & the Sacrament that the Lord is with us always as we are faithful to the Lord & our Covenants. So, female here who is worried for many women & men in the Church.
The effort is Sooo worth it!!
As a public school teacher who lived through the devious licks challenge, I 100% believe TikTok is a weapon. Also, I agree that kids should not have smart phones or social media. Young men are also influenced by the negativity toward women online. There are some very toxic influencers that boys are emulating.
Why won't the leaders of our church talk about this?
My guess is they are trying to walk a knifes edge between the gospel and public opinion.
They do, but their strategy seems to be to that of getting the membership to get closer to God so that God can reach each of us with Truth through the most effective ways. Getting us up to speed in our testimonies rather than stirring the pot of controversies. I've noticed this especially in the last decade. I think time is very short...
@@pauline17ish They don't want to rock the boat so close to the finish line.
One thing I have realized is that as Christ said "if you are not one ye are not mine". That applies to not only the Church / Gospel but it also applies to marriage. If a couple starts to compete and argue about politics (Dems vs Repubican) or men vs women, the division will become so severe that they likely wont want to stay together.
True. But an equal problem is ignoring the issues. We need awareness, and the Spirit.
@@CwicShowthank you, Greg
I figured this recently via Instagram. I've had to go off it almost completely, which is a relief. But it's an extremely toxic place full of anti stuff. I wouldn't recommend it to a soul.
I appreciate this so much. I am definitely naive to the online influences but the whole “polygamy” debate has caused me to have doubts and I had to just step back and say -this is for God to figure out.
Greg...do you have a scripture reference in Isaiah for men becoming feminine in the last days? I'd like to read it.
Isaiah 3 is good.
Even though it's not scripture, you could also read about the mouse utopian experiments done in the 70s by Dr. John B. Calhoun. Very, very frighteningly real about where we are and where we're going at this point.
Men's hearts failing them wasn't just about cardiopathy
I believe he was referring to 2 Nephi 13-14 (Isaiah 3-4). This refers more to the women, but women can only become this way if men stop leading (become feminized).
Thank you, Greg, for standing up for the patriarchal order of God and who we are as sons and daughters of God, etrnally.
At 9:34....
Maybe I'm "out of the loop", but who exactly are the two women - inside and outside the Church who are influencing members out of the Church?
He doesn’t have the nads to say it.
I am wondering the same thing. It's interesting he makes an entire podcast about this subject then he's vague about who those two women are. It's kind of a form of censorship. We just need to take his word or it and watch everything now for the boogey man er.. the boogey woman. Greg! Be specific! Who EXACTLY, is the enemy?
Alyssa Grenfield and Julie Hanks
My guess would be Julie Hanks and Michelle Stone.
Thank you for raising your voice. I see what you are seeing and have for a while, but still working on gathering the courage to speak.
NOT this woman :-) I love the gospel, the brethren, and have a lot of respect for men who have always sacrificed to provide for their families. These are truly the last days that we find ourselves in, and we each get to choose. I recognize how hard it is for anyone impacted by others who'se choices hurt them (rinse and repeat). I imagine that will be nearly all of us at some point - spouse, siblings, children, friends - it all hurts. May we know in whom we have trusted.
Thank you for standing up for righteous principles. I appreciate you. ♥️🪔
Ya know, I’ve had a issue with cell phones and youth my entire marriage. Our youngest is 16 and when she started Seminary it was REQUIRED to have a phone or tablet with the apps. WHAT? To save Paper? Whatever… anyway, that’s my 2 cents on phones…
In my family I have seen the same. Sister in law who pulls away and takes the family with her. My nephew’s asked my brother to sing primary songs one night so he did! She came in and forbade them to be sung to them. People don’t just fall. They don’t leave and mind their own. They don’t even go “find” God somewhere else. They leave with their hooks, chains and sticks swinging to pull all they can with them.
Heartbreaking.
Love your channel and the message. The sifting is happening.
Well said, sadly true. Seen it myself
God bless our holy women!!
I have seen this to some degree, but remember that the prophets have also said that good women will be drawn to the church in the last days, largely to the degree that LDS women are different from the world in happy ways. Basically, there is a lot of good happening by good women. Sometimes, the opposing views are louder, but God's work will still move forward.
The female influencers that are going against the gospel of Christ are so transparent to me. I can’t stand what they are saying. I am a 74 year old active member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and a professional counselor. I left the profession in September because of the cultural shift and the shift in the way we treat mental illness. I disagree with almost all of it.
Yes, agreed. Do you think the shift is away from giving people tools with which to thrive in their relationships etc but instead foster victimhood? That nearly destroyed my child, until my husband and I woke up to what was going on in counselling...
I'm curious how many of these female influencers are in traditional marriages and what effect it has on their marriage. My wife and I were discussing your video and we agree that our marriage helps us honor each others unique roll as spouses and parents. My wife makes be proud to be a man, husband, and father and I adore and honor her for the wonderful wife and mother she is, her femininity, nurture, and angelic nature as an honorable daughter of God. We can't imagine being happier.
I have seen it in my own family. It is painful to experience. Thank you for mentioning it.
Who is the woman inside of the Church that he is speaking of at 13:43?
I’m third generation member of the church and I am holding the line. I have five daughters and 12 nieces holding the line.
Read what Isaiah said about the Daughters of Zion. Spot on. Again.
yep Chapter 3... and paired with how he describes the children being part of the problem (coddled by their moms?).
I think the first line of defence for families are the mothers! When society, men and women devalue the rolls of women, the young girls see this as a sign of weakness. Yes, we are the last to fall because we are the defenders of the covenant. But, when we have "had enought" we turn away, be it marriage, families, children, religion.
I think these influencers are a cross between Korihor and Nehor. Like Nehor, they are not teaching that there is no Christ. They are teaching an erroneous concept of Him. Like Korihor, they are specifically targeting women.
Who specifically?
@FlyFisher-xd6je Michelle Stone, Alyssa Grenfell and Julie Hanks
@FlyFisher-xd6je I think Greg was referring to Michelle Stone, Julie Hanks and Alyssa Grenfell.
It is better to be kind than correct = it is better to be dishonest than honest.
I would love to hear the specifics of which anti-mormon efforts you think women are leading?
I have no idea who those social media influencers are that fight against God 🤷♀️😂. I guess it’s just fine I stick with the Shawn Ryan Show, Cwic Media, Stick of Joseph, and Leading Saints 😂
I have seen this among ladies I know. I am committed to the gospel and understanding the principles of the Gospel. I am teaching my daughter’s to see through the crazy media of the world. Thanks for bringing awareness to this issue!
A wonderful and empowering movement for mothers is call the Well-Educated Heart. It is powerful!
It's more important than ever to teach the principles of the Gospel and contrast them with what is happening in the world.
WHO is this woman online who is doing more damage than any anti-Mormon man? I want to protect my grandchildren from her. Please name names if you truly want to be helpful.
@@wilsclanmom I am wondering the same thing. It's interesting he makes an entire podcast about this subject then he's vague about who those two women are. It's kind of a form of censorship. We just need to take his word or it and watch everything now for the boogey man er.. the boogey woman. Greg! Be specific! Who EXACTLY, is the enemy?
Welcome to Hawaii. Maui is extremely expensive, but beautiful. I love on Oahu. Good message.
Why did they remove the veil from the women in the endowment??
It is our responsibility as parents or extended faithful family to teach the Truth, teach & help with love, wisdom, & knowledge. It is not ours to tell them what to do but to assist them in finding that Truth.
It makes you wonder where the the hate and malevolence come from. There is always a story behind the story. You are right.
Thank you Greg.this reminds me of the time when my daughter was in mutual and It was an adult presentation of the careers they work in. It went sideways when they asked the kids what they would like to do for a career. They came to my daughter and she said “I want to be a wife and mother.” You would have thought she had used a string of epithets the way they responded. They immediately layed into her with questions asked in a tone that indicated offense taken by the questioners: how are you going to make the living? What if you never get married? What if you never have kids? Etc. etc.. these were supposed to be young women’s leaders teaching these young women and young men about the virtues of the proclamation on the family and what the church is taught since it’s founding. So I went ahead and posted this on Facebook without names you would’ve thought that I had set the whole world on fire the way they responded apparently, one of the young woman leaders read the post and her husband claims she was in tears I had brought up in the post reasons why I thought they may have responded to my daughter in that manner which included childlessness, divorce, singleness, etc. and I suppose anybody could’ve taken offense at that if they had concluded that they were the ones being talked about. I suppose they had because I had mentioned that it was her church youth leaders and that was it. They could’ve dropped it and left it at that. But oh no, they would not drop it so I went ahead and apologized for the way I presented that, but I did not apologize for the principles that I laid out and what my daughter said. this experienced taught me that the church does have people, especially in Utah that have their doctrine mixed up and they don’t understand sound doctrine and they have been a letter straight by the doctrines of the world. I look back on this experience and I’m grateful that my daughter had to live through it as well as myself. I learned that when you stand up for what is right even in the church, there is a chance, especially in Utah that you’re gonna get a tongue, lashing and shunning. After that experience, I felt shunned by my bishopric and by other adults in our ward. Where once there was warm and friendly feelings between us, I just got the cold shoulder. I’m glad I don’t live in that ward anymore, but that experience had an effect on me to just keep my mouth shut. My 14 years in that last ward changed my attitude towards my church experience more than it ever has before. It taught me that unfortunately not all church members have the same understanding and that different understanding doesn’t necessarily mean an understanding of correct doctrine. I still know the church is true and I know Jesus Christ is my savior and that he leads the Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints. I believe his leaders are led by the spirit however, I don’t believe they all are what I do believe is that I need to consider what I mean taught and take it to the Lord. Ask him if it’s true as we’ve been taught in our church.
Again, thank you Greg for your thoughts
Isn't it interesting how 'strong' many of the objectors of traditional role models can be until confronted with the truth? Then come the tears and woundedness...wow. Sounds like more tears need to flow, and stronger messages of support in your ward leadership needed for principles found in Proclamation on the Family.
I think something that might be driving this without meaning to drive it is how some have tried to uplift Eve's standing. In times past Christianity in general has vilified her and used her as an excuse to repress woman and promote misogamy which was wrong, but think in trying to correct that, members have swung the pendulum too far the other way, turning her into some gill boss who cracked the code and caused the Fall because she figured out some puzzle. This comes up every 4 years when we cover the OT, I point out that Eve was tricked and what she did was against God's will so she should not have done it, and I get all kinds of grief over it from the woke members.
There's no "other way"
anyone has proposed
it could have gone but
yes she heeded our
enemy and that's
a caution for all
especially women
... Then there's the NT
year when Paul is
called misogynist
and husbands have
to match Jesus if
they're to deserve
any respect...
I am realizing that among many women in the Church, it seems that unless the husband essentially says to his wife whenever she disagrees with him: "Eve, I see that this is so. I will partake that man might be" -- unless the husband says something like this, the wife goes ballistic, accuses him of patriarchy, unrighteous dominion, sexism and misogynistic, oppression of women, etc,....
Which chapters of Isaiah do you recommend? Do you recommend a book to help me interpret or understand Isaiah?
2,3&4 are an excellent place to start. I can't remember exactly where he talks about the women leading the children against the "ancient men" but you have to find that.
*2ne 13:5
I am a woman. I agree with you completely. Influencer=false god. Please watch and be careful
“But hey, I’m on the beach” 😅😅😅 enjoy it, Greg!
The waves didn’t take away from the video Greg they added to it!
A soothing subtle relaxing undertone to a powerful and difficult message that needed to be heard!
Well done!
8:15 Yes. I think there is far too much of referencing scripture and nitpicking scripture, sometimes taking out of context, and too little reading of ALL the scriptures.
I don't know where the "All is well in Zion" culture/attitude comes from, but it isn't from reading all of the Book of Mormon, D&C, Old Testament, New Testament, Pearl of Great Price, Apocrypha (which Joseph Smith suggested is worthwhile in the midst of the spirit).
READ. THE. SCRIPTURES. Wokeness is NOT a scriptural principal conglomerate, it is a perversion of true principles.
Great content as always. Merry Christmas!
This may start a fight, but who ate the apple first? And it raises interesting questions about the recent changes to the women's covenants in the endowment.
You clearly don’t understand the Eden story or the covenants of the temple.
Thanks, Greg! I appreciate your groundedness. I appreciate your warning us of what we are up against.
God will have a true Zion people, not a people that say, "All is well in Zion, Zion prospereth." If they say this then they have overestimated their position and do not understand the great challenges that President Nelson has been warning us are on the horizon. Our Savior wants us to discover the joy and happiness in becoming true Zion that transcends the banality in which we think we find joy. All the holy Prophets through all ages have looked in anticipation of our day when we finally figure it out. That day happens in the future after the storm which is almost upon us.
Isaiah prophesies of us, the drunkards of Ephraim. And after the consequences, destructions and sanctifying for those that were far from becoming Zion (noted all throughout the scriptures but especially Isaiah). He will gather us in love and set his hand a second time to recover us. We must become Zion to build Zion. We must become Zion so that we can gather great multitudes to Zion. Becoming Zion is the purpose of it all but so many of us are complacent and content to just have a membership in the country club. I so wish that they would listen more closely to what President Nelson and the Apostles are trying to tell us and teach us.
I guess I am out of the loop. I am unaware of these women whom you are cryptically referring to. I consider that a plus.
I made almost the exact same comment, including being "out of the loop." Who ARE the two women Greg is talking about???
I see them in my IG feed all the time. A shocking number of anti Mormon accounts led by women. Not surprisingly, a large number of scantily clad Only Fans women too. It’s all part of our corrupt culture that has also infected our LDS women.
Dear Greg, Hope you make it back to your hotel in one piece. You should deaden the surf sound and play the theme from Jaws instead. I'm a lot older than you but I learned something a few years ago that I found of value. A good friend of mine, since deceased, told me that one cannot win an argument with a feminist by using logic. Arguments from logic and reason are not something that can persuade a hard-core feminist. They cannot process them. Have to use emotional arguments instead. Instead of saying here are the data or proof, simply say that is a very harmful viewpoint. Take away their feeble weapons. If you finally get frustrated, simply demand their proof or define terms - that always gets everyone. Trust this debating technique, it actually works. I think too many young women know that they've bought the farm and their life will be a lot poorer if they hold onto their beliefs. Have a little compassion for them. There is a pain deep inside them. All LDS and non-LDS owe you a heartful thanks. Keep up the fight! Steve
I think this is more nuanced than any controversial topic facing the church. They may well have been giving in to radical women when they did it, but the brethren are the ones that have changed the position of the church from strict patriarchy to "equal partners." Points to remember: 1. The church and the gospel are not identical. 2. The brethren are fallible. 3. Most often the truth lies between ideological extremes.
I concede that "toxic matriarchy" can be as damaging as "toxic patriarchy." I definitely think the world at large is moving toward the feminization of men, which is lamentable. OTOH I have a sister who feels marginalized by her husband, but won't concede that taking patriarchy too far is the cause of much of her misery. She subconsciously reasons thus: "Who can argue with God? If God says it, it must be true." (I don't even think she realizes she reasons this way.) It's heartbreaking to see her in a prison of her own making. If we go back to old paradigms of a husband's role being to rule, we can't forget to introspectively ask if we are doing so within the limitations of D.&C. 121. The degree to which the church encourages the feminization of men is just yet another symptom of the church going into apostasy. There's a middle of the road approach that avoids falling into the trap of black and white thinking in this regard. Patriarchy correctly lived is not the same as feminism.
Except when it comes to the Gospel and the Church, you really can't have one without the other.
Make sure to stop by the Pulehu Chapel while you're there. It's a special place.
I try to avoid the anti-Mormon social medial influencers so I have no idea who Jeff is referring to here. Are we talking about the ones currently who are trying to convince everyone that Joseph Smith wasn't a polygamist and that Brigham Young conjured it all up on his own for selfish reasons? Those guys?
The problem with your comment is that it isn’t people doing this out of thin air, it is the historical record being brought to light. The most convincing evidence in no way comes from the opinion of people who have studied this and are exposing the record, it is the historical record and especially the words and actions of Brigham Young and his polygamist combination. We have been lied to about our history. When you read with your own eyes the sermons and teachings of Brigham Young and his polygamist cabal, your stomach turns in disgust. When you read every sermon and testimony of Joseph Smith dealing with polygamy including former section D&C 101, every one of them is completely against it. Every piece of so called “evidence” is hearsay manufactured after the death of Joseph Smith. Here’s only one example. Here is a verse from D&C 132, a so called revelation that no one ever heard of until Brigham pulled it out of his desk in 1852
64 And again, verily, verily, I say unto you, if any man have a wife, who holds the keys of this power, and he teaches unto her the law of my priesthood, as pertaining to these things, then shall she believe and administer unto him, or she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord your God; for I will destroy her; for I will magnify my name upon all those who receive and abide in my law.
These poor women were threatened with death if they did not support polygamy. This is not from God! Moreover, Brigham claimed that Joseph taught polygamy and Emma rejected it. Emma was not destroyed, neither were the many, many other women who divorced these wicked church leaders because of their polygamy, proving this scripture false. Brigham’s third wife, Augusta Adams Cobb was still married to her husband when Brigham sealed himself to her. Where is that allowed in 132? Parley P. Pratt was murdered by the husband of the wife he stole and sealed to himself when she was still married. Brigham also taught in General Conference that a man with higher priesthood keys could take the wife of a man with lower priesthood keys, and he did it. Just honestly look into it for I believe that this evil is truly what is at the center of why so many women are fighting against the church. Polygamy has always been our greatest stumbling block for it it’s evil and it has never been of God. Joseph Smith Never practiced or taught it and in fact, was vehemently against it.
Some of them, yes. There are those (like Julie Hanks) who don't deny Joseph practiced plural marriage but claim it was wrong to do so. Then there are others (like Michelle Stone) who claimed he never practiced it, it started with Brigham, and it was wrong. Obviously they're both wrong and have been flirting with apostasy for some time.
@ the only reason you are saying this is because you have not looked at the historical documents. There is not a single document from Joseph Smith where he ever taught or practiced polygamy. Every document, sermon, and revelation from Joseph Smith and Hyrum on this topic was completely against polygamy. Every document claiming that Joseph and Hyrum did practice and teach polygamy all were manufactured years after his death by Brigham Young and his combination of polygamist or were a result of the polygamist false claims that Joseph was secretly teaching this. An accusation that he, Hyrum, and Emma denied on every occasion. See the 1835 edition of the D&C section 101 on marriage that was removed in 1880 for one scriptural example. Joseph, Hyrum, and Emma were doing everything in their power to rid the church of this great evil. Brigham Young altered our church history to try to fabricate his false polygamy narrative. Brigham taught that Joseph Smith was “lying for the Lord” and impossibility for a God who cannot lie. So, make your choice, believe that Joseph Smith lied to his wife, lied to his family, lied to the women whom he was accused of being sealed to, lied to the members of the church, and lied to the world, or it was Brigham Young who was lying. Here’s a little clue. Brigham’s third wife was Augusta Adams Cobb. Brigham persuaded her to leave her husband and 5 of her 7 children and run off with him to Nauvoo where he secretly had Augusta sealed to him as his third wife, when she was still married to her husband. Her husband finally received a divorce on the grounds of Augusta’s adultery. The most condemning evidence is Brigham Young’s own teachings and practices on polygamy. They will sicken any follower of Christ for they were so vile and just plain evil. Parley P. Pratt was also murdered by the husband of a woman whom he had sealed to him while she was also still married. When you learn what really happened with these early church leaders, it will sicken you it was so vile, abusive and nothing short of whoredoms.
@@markstimson983 I have looked at the historical documents. Like apostates always do, you and other revisionists act like you're more informed than everyone else, including Church leaders. When it really comes down to you being spiritually immature, not being able to handle the issue of plural marriage, and twisting the doctrine and history to your liking. It's not a coincidence so many who go down this revisionist road have either left the Church or are on the way out. I suspect you're no exception.
@@markstimson983Nonsense. There's nothing in the historical documents (and that includes the JSP) that has changed anything. You and other revisionists simply (mis)interpret both Gospel doctrine and Church history because you're spiritually immature and can't handle the issue of plural marriage. It's those like yourself who are out of step with the Brethren. And it's no coincidence that so many who go down this revisionist road have either left the Church or are on the way out.
I somewhat follow your channel, but I apologize, who are the women (greatest anti-, greatest influencer) of whom you speak?
has to be michelle stone and Julie Hanks
Don’t know which ones Greg is singling out, but I see a lot of different anti Mormon IG accounts in my feed, similar in number to the only fans chicks advertising their goods
Probably Julie Hanks
And Michelle Stone
Your „walk“ videos are my favorites 👌🏻
Fight, fight, fight for every soul! But you can never forget the words of the Father: " The number of people who reject my gospel will be like the sands on the beach and the stars in the sky."
If decisions have to be agreements, then the one who wants a No has a veto. Is that right?
I am realizing that among many women in the Church, it seems that unless the husband essentially says to his wife whenever she disagrees with him: "Eve, I see that this is so. I will partake that man might be" -- unless the husband says something like this, the wife goes ballistic, accuses him of patriarchy, unrighteous dominion, sexism and misogynistic, oppression of women, etc,....
Does expressing the belief that Joseph Smith didn't practice polygamy and that section 132 has dubious origins make someone "anti-mormon"?
I would think partially. Having one foot on the path of apostasy is contrary to holding onto the iron rod
@@corvettedude the iron rod is the word of God no?
No, but that is definitely going against doctrine and history. And corvettedude hit it on the head, it's going down the apostacy path. It is also enough to keep one out of the temple, or should be.
Yes.
It’s a start
This tree behind you is a pé de castanhola. Very common in Brazil.
Makes me think of content creators who are so antagonistic towards the church, who on top of everything you're mentioning, go and take it as far as wearing temple clothing and making a mockery of core elements of the endowment ceremony in plain view on youtube as they critique it all. It's pretty alarming to see such blatant disrespect for the Lord. Such individuals have lost all sense of that which is sacred, if they ever had it to begin with.