Thought About a Helmet for Flying? Maybe You Should

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  • @RedSailor1701
    @RedSailor1701 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Paul Bertorelli to aviation is Ryan Fortnine to Motorcycling.
    Well spoken, to the point, gently sprinkling of humour and superbly delivered.
    MORE PAUL CONTENT PLEASE

    • @misters2837
      @misters2837 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's Funny....Ryan's Helmet/Gear Age Video...from 5yrs ago...made me come back and visit this one.

    • @JoshuaTootell
      @JoshuaTootell 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I found Ryan WAY too annoying. I tried to watch his videos since everyone seemed to like him, but he feels way too know it all to me.
      But then again, I have been riding off and on for 30 years, with most of my on time being on the track.

  • @MelvinHughesatp
    @MelvinHughesatp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +110

    I realize that I live on the dark side of aviation. I started out as a military airplane pilot who was transitioned into helicopters. Since 1972, I have mostly flown helicopters both military and civilian. For the last 38 years I have flown civilian EMS in helicopters. So the vast majority of my flight time has been using helmets, specifically the SPH-4 and SPH-5 with some experience with the HGU-56. I know that the US Army Safety Center has a great deal of information about the protection or lack thereof provided by wearing a helmet in a helicopter crash. I may be comparing apples and oranges here but I think that the majority of the accidents they studied involving military helicopter crashes don't differ that much from the realm in which most GA aircraft operate. Certainly the airspeeds and off-airport landing areas (both intentional and accidental,) would be similar. Granted, usually no one is shooting at the GA aircraft but still I think the data and research they have put together could be beneficial to study when deciding whether or not a helmet is appropriate. I think that when a good, solid aviation based helmet, like a Gentex, is incorporated into one's daily flying routine, the benefits outside the general protective ones actually make it a welcome improvement in communications as well as not being restrictive. I am still flying into accident scenes in all kinds of locations, day and night (NVG aided,) using a current Gentex SPH-5 with CEP hearing protection. I never feel that my view is compromised. I know first-hand that the helmet communications are much more effective than my David Clark headset alone. And, like using seat belts and shoulder harnesses, once accustomed to the helmet, I feel pretty naked without one in the cockpit. But I never was cool.

    • @arnavsadhu
      @arnavsadhu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      The last line sums it up. I had the same experience when riding bikes. Once I got used to wearing a helmet, my face felt naked when riding without one. Lets just say safety is pretty cool to me.

    • @georgielancaster1356
      @georgielancaster1356 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      My next door neighbours had an apple orchard. Every year, they had a brain surgeon call in to buy apples, through the season.. HE DID wear a bike helmet in his car. He had done so many repair jobs, attempted so many repair jobs that DIDN'T work...
      He didn't care what people thought of him. He had seen enough. No matter how small a % he was facing.

    • @StephaneDemers
      @StephaneDemers 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      What Melvin said! Bang on.

    • @markmcgoveran6811
      @markmcgoveran6811 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I personally don't think you need an expensive special task force helmet for anything motorcycles aviation or anything. I wear a bicycle helmet for almost everything. What are the difficulties we have here is we have to have something to see or we cannot believe. In the aviation situation it's very easy to hit some turbulence and get a surprise and have the side of your head gets slapped against the side of the airplane and it may impede your flying enough that you hit the ground before you've got a chance to come back to common Sense. If you were wearing a bicycle helmet and you ran into some turbulence and you smack your head in the bicycle helmet so you didn't have anything to impede recovery from the turbulence no one would ever know. I picked up a thousand things that were tripping hazards in my life if not 10000 pencils bits of paper drill bits. I'm pretty sure somebody would have fell on that and broke her hip and died by now after all these years but I can't point at which time I picked up a pencil that was the time that saved the life.if you were wearing your helmet and you bumped your head a little bit and kept your wits about you and flew home anyway you'd never report that.

  • @superjoeyman1
    @superjoeyman1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +127

    Hell yeah more Paul content

    • @Seanman23x
      @Seanman23x 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Lol I think he's the only reason I follow this page

  • @blakethegreatone2058
    @blakethegreatone2058 2 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    I used to wear a helmet while 4-wheeling in my jeep. Had a full roll cage and 5 point harness. Rolled the jeep down a hill one day and that helmet saved my life as my head smashed into the roll cage. Helmet had a huge dent in the side and I had a headache. 100% worth it.

    • @ParadigmUnkn0wn
      @ParadigmUnkn0wn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Yep. I always cringe when I see guys with cages and no helmet, and a lot of them don't even have padding on the cage, and if they do it's a damn pool noodle or something and not proper high density roll cage padding (which is still made to protect a helmet impact, not a bare head impact).

  • @josh6pack
    @josh6pack 2 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    I'll be 40 this year. I've been in an airplane exactly once, when I was 6, for just a little half hour sightseeing tour. It's also unlikely I'll ever own my own plane, but I do keep the dream on life support. I just really like watching this dude's videos.

    • @CCitis
      @CCitis 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      You don't need to own one, but you could get your license and rent one.

    • @chadmcdowell5582
      @chadmcdowell5582 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Don't let that dream die.
      Even if you're not in a financial position to get the license, go do a discovery flight. It's $100-$200 for an hour in the air with a CFI. You'll know if it's a dream to persue after this flight

    • @pittss2c601
      @pittss2c601 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      What does this have to do with wearing a helmet?

    • @jekanyika
      @jekanyika 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@pittss2c601 It's one of this dude's videos.

    • @TheJustinJ
      @TheJustinJ 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hint for the OP: You can Learn to fly, and fly Solo, on your own, around and airport and then cross country. With around 8-12 hours, and less than $2,000.
      The License is not Your stated goal. If Your goal is to fly an airplane around on your own. You can archive this in about a dozen weekends. Or on two weeks of vacation if you study.

  • @77thTrombone
    @77thTrombone 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    _If you have a $10 head, get a $10 helmet._ -Bell ad campaign in late 1970s for bicycle helmets.
    I saw a poster with this statement in a store window. I thought it made sense, so I inquired within. Turned out helmets started at $25. Having already assessed my head at $10, I wasn't so sure if it was worth $25, and I moved on. It was a much different world back then. Now I've learned any 1 concussion can be a life-changing event, so Paul's review is very worthwhile.

    • @KevinSmith-ys3mh
      @KevinSmith-ys3mh 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Seriously, look at the costs per treatment/hours of emergency room or trauma centers, it's like $10 per second! What is your kid's life worth?

    • @JoshuaTootell
      @JoshuaTootell 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      One of the motorcycle magazines did an independent test of a large selection of helmets. One of the safest helmets they tested was one of the cheapest. Many of the more expensive helmets were over built, and just transferring more energy to the head.

  • @michaelbusch3809
    @michaelbusch3809 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    I fly a Cub. I have a Lift helmet that has a Bose A20 headset built into it. I love it. Why do I wear a helmet? Well, my wife thought it would be a “good idea”! She asked if I wear a helmet for skiing, why wouldn’t I do it for flying. BTW, she knows a bit about aviation, her father flew transatlantic for TWA after flying A26s in the Air Force. At first I was self conscious when wearing my helmet, I now I feel naked without it. All that being said, it is a personal choice.

    • @cduemig1
      @cduemig1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don’t judge anyone for being safety conscious. If you’re the type to, then I don’t want to fly with you anyway!

    • @HieronymousLex
      @HieronymousLex 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Good man!

  • @Nderak
    @Nderak 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    As a car enthusiast, we are taught to always wear a helmet in a vehicle with an exposed roll cage, even if the cage is "padded". In a crash our heads hitting that tubing will kill us before the vehicle comes to a stop. I imagine in a light aircraft at the mercy of sudden turbulence being protected from concussion/unconsciousness could go a long way to stopping single occupant plane crashes.

  • @timkiwi
    @timkiwi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    In West Papua, which must be some of the most difficult flying anywhere in the world the missionary pilots all use helmets. Broken Bones can heal but head injuries normally have life changing effects that ends your chance of getting your medical back. I’ve flown there for the last ten years without a helmet but always felt i should wear one but didn’t. Even after one crash. Many pilots just become fatalistic.

  • @alexandermiller6317
    @alexandermiller6317 2 ปีที่แล้ว +74

    I'm getting into agricultural aviation. I was told by my chief pilot that I have to have a helmet. Flight suit is optional, lol which is a whole other discussion.
    I have an EVO 252, that has a built in Bose A20. It was expensive. But it's a really nice helmet. Once I got it adjusted properly, it's also very comfortable.

    • @Mike_Costello
      @Mike_Costello 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      In your game a fireproof flight suit might be a good idea. For all the same reasons the helmet is for it's purpose. Sounds like an exciting job though.

    • @HECTORFARRA
      @HECTORFARRA 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Get a Nomex suit and a seatbelt cutter/window breaker when you can. It will be sad to survive a crash and not be able to leave the aircraft due to a jammed seat belt

    • @liaisonliam3013
      @liaisonliam3013 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      You'd be hard pressed to find guys in ag who DON'T fly with a helmet, atleast here in the states. Not only are they protection in an accident, but they help reduce the pain of slamming your head back and forth into the windows during a turbulent day down low

    • @alexandermiller6317
      @alexandermiller6317 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Mike_Costello I agree! I'm going to just start out wearing one. I have a military background anyways so I'm used to wearing a ton of PPE in hot environments lol.

    • @alexandermiller6317
      @alexandermiller6317 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HECTORFARRA I agree!

  • @georgewalker6883
    @georgewalker6883 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    First thing we did after purchasing our 1960 172 was to put in full shoulder harnesses. Thanks Paul, as always, great work.

    • @sport2175
      @sport2175 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I did the same with my 1966 Mooney

    • @Kenriko
      @Kenriko 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Same here. Flying a GA plane without a full harness is crazy.

    • @ctykckcktyvc7558
      @ctykckcktyvc7558 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Kenriko absolutely, i love the cesnna 150 aerobat more than the standard 150, sure its heavier and climbs slower but shoulder harnesses and better seats are priceless

    • @RadioMarkCroom
      @RadioMarkCroom 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ctykckcktyvc7558 Agreed, had dual instruction in 150 and Aerobat, and we went with the Aerobat because of the seats mainly (I'm small and funny-proportioned). It was a little sports car compared with the 172 that I also trained in later.

  • @SVSky
    @SVSky 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Fly aerobatics, definitely considering a helmet. I wear one riding a bike, flying a hang glider and wore one in the military... why not?

    • @pittss2c601
      @pittss2c601 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Some aerobatic airshow pilots wear helmets while many don't. Lots of controversy there.

    • @pittss2c601
      @pittss2c601 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@marlinfitzwater7898 Do you wear a full face helmet when you drive your car? People should. It would make a difference in an accident.

  • @hillcrestannie
    @hillcrestannie 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I always find your videos educational with good humor . Keep them coming .

  • @caseyhutson5392
    @caseyhutson5392 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    If Paul makes a video, I’m watching it!

  • @chloehennessey6813
    @chloehennessey6813 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Good thing racing has helped us with these GA accident problems!
    In racing I’m required to wear a full face helmet, full head and face fire resistant balaclava and the last is what’s called a HANS Device. It keeps my head from cracking forward hard enough to snap my spine from the base of my skull- much like the injury that killed Dale Earnhardt Sr.

    • @richardseton7014
      @richardseton7014 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Spot on Chloe!
      HANS has proved to be beneficial in reducing/eliminating severe whiplash injuries along with impsct injuries.

  • @SuperTrb0
    @SuperTrb0 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Helmets would absolutely help with small aircraft. With larger GA aircraft like the Beechcraft B36, TBM 940, Cessna 182, ect, there really needs to be a re-vamp of current design GA that includes things like airbags. Weight is minimal and the increase in safety are the upside. The down side would be cost. Still though I’d like to see seat mounted airbags, panel mounted airbags and a-piller airbags. Finally 4 point safety belts as standard.

  • @paulharmo
    @paulharmo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Perhaps I'm a little bit jaded, but I truly thought I had a 50/50 shot of opening this video to find a satire piece about how important it is to augment your GA pilot parachute with a helmet, a la Trevor Jacob.
    Instead, I'm thrilled to see another great presentation of the data that exists, some first-hand experiences and opinions, and naturally, the dry humor that I'd have expected even in the satirical option. Great video, Paul!

  • @gustav901
    @gustav901 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    You missed a helmet certification, FIM which is the highest standard and is required for professional motorcycle racing. Most likely not ideal for flying (because of the formfactor) but it's always worth knowing what the absolute best is. The FIM standard is basically ECE22.05 on steroids, lower transfer of energy and better protection against rotational injuries (something that's probably good to have in an aviation accident).
    ECE22.06 is around the corner also.
    Great video as always!

    • @rkan2
      @rkan2 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Some motorcycle helmets could really be nice for aircraft - especially with an integrated headset :P

    • @TheSoaringChannel
      @TheSoaringChannel 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      A racing helmet for cars would be way better for the Hans device. Since you're strapped into the aircraft: you want one. Otherwise I wouldn't dare wear a helmet in an airplane. That mass will pop that precious connection and it's lights out.

    • @andrewahern3730
      @andrewahern3730 ปีที่แล้ว

      Specs are a wild debate on their own. I will challenge a car spec might be better than motorcycle, as they’re designed for repeated impacts to the same spot (pinballing in cabin/roll cage)

    • @JoshuaTootell
      @JoshuaTootell 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad someone mentioned the Hans device. Not sure I would want to wear a helmet with a shoulder strap without a Hans.

  • @RustyCoon
    @RustyCoon 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    You rock those skulls on your skull, Paul! Great video as always. Last year we required pilots to wear a helmet for competition at ArkanSTOL. Thank you for helping make the case for helmets.

  • @Jacob-qu8kj
    @Jacob-qu8kj 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Quite amusing as I just spent the last few hours last night learning about aircraft helmets, it seems Paul and I think alike.

  • @stephenyoungblood3683
    @stephenyoungblood3683 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    My wife and I just talked about this yesterday after a day of snow skiing with a helmet!

    • @PhilbyFavourites
      @PhilbyFavourites 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Great point, for about 30 years I skied in a huge amount of silly hats (mainly to keep a bald head warm). Culminating in an impressive “Hunt for Red October” genuine Russian naval officers furry hat. That’s now sadly consigned to the back of the wardrobe with current world circumstances. Although it was fun to ski around Heavenly in the USA in the George W Bush era. It got a lot of comments.
      But skiing for us gradually became helmet wearing in the last 8 years or so. And now it’s like motorbikes, we wouldn’t go out without one on.
      I wonder when life jackets will go the same way in UK….

  • @KitfoxGrin
    @KitfoxGrin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'm very happy with my Sky Cowboys helmet with a Lightspeed Zulu headset that I installed into it. And yes, it's more comfortable to me than the headset alone on long trips, as I don't feel like I'm getting a hole pushed into the top of my head from the top band of the headset. Good discussion, Paul. Thanks for providing it.

  • @robfredericks2984
    @robfredericks2984 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am a former Navy jet and prop (T-28) pilot. I have flown some civilian air-taxi in Alaska and GA in Florida (Lake Amphibian). The helmet safety factor is huge, but no GA pilot goes flying thinking about a crash---won't happen to me! The most obvious improvement is in communication. A good helmet as in all military A/C is a huge improvement. Paul has provided a wonderful presentation of A/C and flying information, once again. Thanks!

  • @maxleitschuh7076
    @maxleitschuh7076 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    20 or so years ago I used to ski quite a bit, and almost nobody on the slopes had helmets. Nowadays you go skiing and pretty much everybody has one. Things can change.

  • @FlyingtheBigTireCruzer
    @FlyingtheBigTireCruzer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I have been using the Sky Cowboys helmet with Dave Clarks the last couple of years, and just got a second one with A20's. They are insanefly comfortable and the visor is so useful. I do a lot of Back country flying in the Pacific Northwest Mountains and Islands so a unimproved or grass strip is on the menu for half my landings. I feel naken wearing the headset alone now! Plus it is cool to wear a helmet, no one givees me crap about it because they know I am serious about my mission.

    • @tomcoryell
      @tomcoryell 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I am immune to anyone giving me crap regarding my use of any safety equipment. At 65 I have a lot of cool but dead friends.

  • @larryvrooman4672
    @larryvrooman4672 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I started wearing a helmet when I started doing aerobatics in my 7KCAB Citabria. It occurred to me that my parachute would be useless if I hit my head on the door frame or tail on exit and was unconscious.
    It also made a great deal of sense when landing off field, where again the chance of a crash is a bit greater.
    I recently bought a Pawnee after attending a part 137 school and I am building time and experience in pursuit of an ag flying career change. I started wearing a nomex flight suit in addition to the helmet, given the 42 gallon fuel tank right behind the firewall. Pawnees tend to burn in a crash. A nomex flight suits and leather flight boots that would minimize the thermal injuries getting out of the plane after a crash makes sense.
    As a practical matter most things you drop in a Pawnee are going to end up in the belly - and there isn’t any place to put things other than in your pockets. A military flight suit has lots of pockets in very convenient locations. It’s almost a must have item.
    The 1.5 gallon header tank under the panel in my 7KCAB also makes a flight suit a good choice.
    The problem, as I see it, is the potential for other pilots to see a helmet and flight suit wearing pilot as having Top Gun fantasies, while forgetting the practical reasons for it.

    • @pittss2c601
      @pittss2c601 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Some aerobatic airshow pilots wear helmets while many don't. Lots of controversy there.

    • @docholiday7758
      @docholiday7758 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I always wear a fly fishing vest in my RV-8 because it provides plenty of pockets to store stuff I might need in flight. I've been looking at helmets for months. Would like to find an outfit that can incorporate my existing nearly new Lightspeed Zulu 3 headset into the helmet.

    • @edbreyer
      @edbreyer 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@docholiday7758 As an RV6 owner (canopy with limited headspace) - I'm wondering if you ever found a suitable helmet.

  • @SuperDave_BR549
    @SuperDave_BR549 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Thanks Paul. I always enjoy your videos bigly

  • @canoe365
    @canoe365 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Decades ago I spent time with an engineer who was tasked with improving safety and survival in small aircraft used in mission aviation. Some of the locations they operated in were very hazardous, thus the study.
    He found that the best bang for the buck was well-designed four point harnesses and helmets. Another improvement was 'stroking' seats. In a high sink rate upright crash, the seat structure would 'stroke' downward up to about 10", at a controlled rate that protected the pilot's spine from injury.
    That mission aviation outfit now has all three of these improvements in their entire fleet.

  • @ZeeCaptainRon
    @ZeeCaptainRon ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Paul finally just couldn't not crack a tiny grin at the end. I was an early adopter for helmets for skiing and snowboarding, long time motorcycle rider, and even wore a brain bucket for riding my Jet Ski, I guess it's not a stretch for aviation, but maybe only in the biplane with open cockpit and the necessary scarf floating behind.

  • @JohnnyJNewt
    @JohnnyJNewt 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice choice on the motorcycle. I started riding motorcycles in 1973, bought my first KTM in 1991 and have been riding them for the most part ever since. I currently have an 890 Adventure and 300 XC-W. Your videos are first class and I love the dry humor!

  • @jamesbergman581
    @jamesbergman581 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I’ve worn a helmet for the last 20years while flying my T6texan, feel naked without it
    PS also have 5 point harness

  • @lisaleedavidson
    @lisaleedavidson ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Paul, you do the most informative videos and keep viewers attention with your unique and fun sense of humor. Thanks for all you do for Aviation. Keep the great work coming.

  • @Maynardtkrebs
    @Maynardtkrebs 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Add in helmet head retention strap (HANS) to prevent spinal cord extrusion in crash as torso is restrained by the 4-point but head is catapulted forward. Major cause of fatal/severe injury is severed/injured spinal cord caused when spinal cord is literally pulled out of skull as skull keeps flying forward but torso is restrained by the harness. Adding helmet weight to head exacerbates problem. HANS prevents the injury.

    • @docholiday7758
      @docholiday7758 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Excellent point. I wonder if an airbag would be a feasible alternative to the HANS?

    • @Maynardtkrebs
      @Maynardtkrebs 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@docholiday7758 Doubt airbag can work well in aircraft due to turbulence. Ballistic parachute does work.

  • @brucemamont2289
    @brucemamont2289 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Some feedback for Paul: I watched this video and also read your Aviation Consumer piece. As an aerobatic competitor I had already purchased a Comtronics helmet, but wearing it over my Bose X and Bose A20 headsets was not a great solution for me. It was awkward and hot even in mild temperatures, which made me less willing to wear it. I looked into the idea of adding an Exfil rail system and headset adaptor (which might have solved the awkwardness), but decided instead to purchase a Sky Cowboy DIY kit that allowed me to install a Bose X headset I already own. The Sky Cowboy helmet (basically a Team Wendy SAR helmet on which is mounted an Exfil rail system and the hardware to adapt an aviation headset) was an affordable solution. It is very comfortable compared to the Comtronics headset fits (kind of) over a headset. The Comtronics helmet-over-headset configuration preserves the option to use the headset with and without the helmet, which initially attracted me to it. I had to permanently (and irreversibly) disassemble my Bose X headset to install it in the Sky Cowboy helmet. This was easy and took less than 30 min (there are TH-cam videos). I was so happy with the Sky Cowboy helmet that I just ordered a mirrored visor for it. As much as I would have like to have bought a Lift helmet, I couldn't justify the cost. If I were flying in an airplane with a canopy (e.g., an Extra, Pitts, or Giles) instead of a SuperD, I probably could have talked myself into purchasing the Lift helmet, which seems very robust to me. I personally know people who had canopies fail in flight; wearing a helmet protected them from injury when canopy fragments hit them in the head. I'm less vulnerable to that kind of mishap in a SuperD...but if you wear a chute, you need a helmet if you jump. I broke a helmet on a jump while I was in the Army. The winds on the DZ weren't as strong as winds in which we fly during IAC regional contests. There are big rocks and boulders at the airport at which we conduct our contests (unlike on Army DZs). Having said all of this...I don't wear my helmet when I fly in a Cessna. I do wear my helmet when I fly with a passenger in my SuperD, even on a non-aerobatic flight so that my pax can wear my Bose A20.

  • @timking2822
    @timking2822 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My face has received the penalty of not wearing a helmet flying. My relatively minor facial scars are not a "badge of honor". One factor not mentioned is the distance to the instrument panel. In my case, I was wearing a four-point harness in addition to a secondary lap belt (which separated during my accident). Despite this, I tried to put my face through the instrument panel. If I were to continue my flying, I'd wear a helmet. For those concerned with the high costs of flying-specific helmets, even a moderately priced m/c helmet offers a lot of protection. You can even get ones in similar configurations as flying helmets.
    All this being said, this is an excellent video on an important topic. You covered it very well.

  • @av8bvma513
    @av8bvma513 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks Paul! Always fun and worthwhile stoppin' by to hear your thoughts!

  • @larsfinlay7325
    @larsfinlay7325 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I am going to wear a helmet on the next commercial flight I take to dallas.

  • @brianberezowski5352
    @brianberezowski5352 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Recently bought a Sky Cowboy Helmet with visor.
    Very COMFORTABLE and easily adjustable and secure.
    I've worked as an Orthotist for the past 32 years .. I've seen enough "head injuries" that have left people PERMANENTLY impaired .. on many different levels.
    It DOESN'T take much of a hit to your head to cause life long PERMANENT DAMAGE that can impact you physically and or mentally.
    As a GA pilot why wouldn't you wear a helmet???
    CYQT 👍🇨🇦👍
    Fly SAFE everyone. 😊
    Avid Magnum sn04

  • @christheother9088
    @christheother9088 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Flew hang gliders for many years and used an open face with ear cutaways for most of that time. Actually being able to hear air speed was critical. For many the sport was about being out in the wind and a fullface helmet with a shield was simply trying to take a shower with a raincoat on.

  • @blessedheavyelements8544
    @blessedheavyelements8544 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    As long as you don't start recommending parachutes ;)

    • @christosvoskresye
      @christosvoskresye 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He should!

    • @jamesengland7461
      @jamesengland7461 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Exactly. We can't have him getting carried away!

    • @blessedheavyelements8544
      @blessedheavyelements8544 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@jamesengland7461 I was making a tongue-in-cheek reference to flying with a parachute à la Trevor Jacob. 😂🤣

    • @jamesengland7461
      @jamesengland7461 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@blessedheavyelements8544 I caught that :)

    • @blessedheavyelements8544
      @blessedheavyelements8544 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jamesengland7461 👍😃

  • @jcmcclain57
    @jcmcclain57 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I liked the helmet demos with the chin strap hanging to the side.

  • @Rolo_McFlurry
    @Rolo_McFlurry 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    $3000 helmet works even better with the chin strap enabled.

  • @jjtinkler97
    @jjtinkler97 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I brought a helmet skiing 15 years ago and felt like the odd man out, now you go on a ski trip and might come across one guy not wearing one.

  • @robertpopescu6695
    @robertpopescu6695 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's safer, it's cooler, it's contagions... skip the tattoo :) . Very much appreciated all this information!

  • @shorttimer874
    @shorttimer874 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I can see this gentleman in the same quiet but interesting delivery going over the results of zombies wiping out a town after the apocalypse.

  • @DutchThackers
    @DutchThackers 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Excellent video thanks. One thing you didn't mention was the protection the visor brings if you have a bird strike into the cockpit. I see this as a more likely event where I fly and its something that has made me consider getting a helmet.

  • @Qrail
    @Qrail 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    One of the problems I see with a helmet is….most pilots have big heads. Seat belt option might be better.

  • @SithLord2066
    @SithLord2066 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I always wear a helmet when I'm flying my F-23.

  • @miporsche
    @miporsche ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent! None of my helmets, car racing , motorcycle or bicycle, accommodate a headset. Got me thinking though.

  • @Tencargo
    @Tencargo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As a retired USAF pilot, I wore a helmet in every aircraft I flew, I highly recommend them. The sound reduction in itself cuts down on the fatigue factor.

  • @noahfremont6310
    @noahfremont6310 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very good video. I'm a new pilot, working on an AP high school project that aims to address the discrepancy between commercial and GA crashes. You mention that the automotive industry has progressed further in safety than GA, and the same has happened in commercial aviation. I was surprised to discover through EASA data that mechanical failure is one of the least important contributing factors in GA accidents and fatalities. It's all about situational awareness, and where the big four in airline manufacturing have spent billions of dollars in R&D, the global GA fleet has yet to adopt the same technology, much of which is designed to reduce pilot workload and increase SA. Thank you for this information, it's another factor I have yet to consider in crash survivability.

  • @kevinheard8364
    @kevinheard8364 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really enjoy these videos... thank you for creating them (... and I enjoy your dry sense of humor... keep it up) :)

  • @cellokid5104
    @cellokid5104 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Paul really is a national icon. Keep it up

  • @erictaylor5462
    @erictaylor5462 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Did you know the very first pilot trained as a Pilot in the US Army was killed in a plane crash while flying as a passenger.
    The pilot survived the crash though he was injured. When it was shown the cause of death was head trauma and other than that the officer probably would have survived the crash.
    The army then changed the rules requiring all aircrews to wear helmets. The name of the fellow killed was Lt Thomas Selfridge. This was the first fatal airplane crash, it was the first airplane crash that was carefully investigated, and it was the first accident to spark a change to regulations that govern aviation.

  • @kaigongfu
    @kaigongfu 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    very interesting, so many aircraft have a poor crash safety, and many deaths from no shoulder harness and face/skull injury.
    this makes me consider the Cessna 400 cockpit design, it has no yoke or stick directly in front of you to impale your face and chest.
    Helicopter pilots often wear helmets, it thought it was mostly for a comfortable way to mount noise cancelling headphones,
    but now consider as important crash safety.

  • @FlyingNDriving
    @FlyingNDriving 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    4 point Y or H harnesses that are properly adjusted to be tight enough to not reach the panel do indeed seem to be the best safety enhancement for post crash survivability

  • @speedboard.
    @speedboard. 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great info! A helmet with flip-down chin guard could work well. Keep it up all the time until you find yourself in a bad situation, then flip it down in an instant to protect your face.

  • @autumnbeds
    @autumnbeds 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Early birthday present! (About 6 months early) A new Paul AVWEB video! 😎

  • @JoshuaTootell
    @JoshuaTootell 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Funny that this video pops up now. Just last night a "Shorts" video popped into my feed of a guy making a very short, soft field landing. A good chunk of the comments were about his helmet, including people saying things such as "You know he's reckless if he thinks he needs a helmet" and "I would never fly with someone who wears a helmet".
    I come from the motorcycle world where there is certainly a weird culture around helmet use (road racing for me). But I also race mountain bikes, and I definitely test my helmet often. Though, I still have my brand new full face in its protective bag, unworn.

  • @gasdive
    @gasdive 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I've only piloted once without a helmet (I forgot to bring it). I really had second thoughts about taking flight.

  • @GaryBickford
    @GaryBickford ปีที่แล้ว

    Formula 1 and Indycar racing leagues have developed their "driver cell" systems, which are very lightweight extremely strong frameworks to protect the drivers. These have been shown to keep drivers alive and often only "shaken up" after hitting a wall at 200 mph. Designing a light sport airplane around such a survival cell would be reasonably straightforward, and probably even cost effective. Those race cars are essentially a collection of parts loosely attached to the driver cell that provides the only unbreakable part of the car, and an airplane would be a natural extrapolation of that principle. Each part that breaks off carries with it some of the momentum and reduces forces on the driver.

  • @glennwatson
    @glennwatson 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I know here in Australia our accident investigation organisation ATSB has recommended helmets for at risk pilots, like agricultural or aerobatics etc after a study of accidents.

  • @canoe365
    @canoe365 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Decades ago I was stationed near Mission Aviation Fellowship in California. They routinely fly into dangerous places and studied safety extensively. They found the most bang for the buck in four-point restraint harnesses and helmets.

  • @TheBlahblahblahhh
    @TheBlahblahblahhh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Paul's content is awesome as always.

  • @benthurber5363
    @benthurber5363 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A word of caution on four-point harnesses!! You should absolutely get something with an anti-submarining device, like Schroth's ASM.
    Without this device to payout one of the shoulders, you're at a far greater risk of your body sliding under the lap belt. With a standard harness your chest hits the shoulder belts and this lifts the lap belt, positioning the lap belt off your hips and at your stomach level. This might be more critical for aircraft, where impacts may be at odd and unfavorable attitudes.
    Three-point and five-point harnesses don't have this problem.
    And as far as helmets. Even if you're not bald as I am, if your dome is exposed to the sun, a head covering of some kind makes sense. A shaded visor has significantly more coverage than sunglasses, and there are no legs to interfere with headset cups and be pressed into your temples for potentially long hours. So looking at the helmet as a system, it's both more comfortable and less stuff to forget or lose in the cabin mid-flight. You could also have an appropriate flashlight mounted and still have your hands free.

  • @peejster4732
    @peejster4732 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video - I learned a lot. Never really thought about a helmet but now its on my list to research further. Also, Paul, please post a video of you getting your skull tattoo.

  • @acomingextinction
    @acomingextinction 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That great Bill Veeck quote is one reason I'll miss Paul's vids. Happy retirement to him.

  • @paulkelly4731
    @paulkelly4731 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I had the sad experience of discovering the crash of a C172 shortly after it occurred. Both occupants had been killed in the crash. It was a hot summer day, rural airport, rented 172, fairly new pilot and wife, practicing touch and go's. The pilot had stalled the aircraft on take off, nosed over, and ALMOST recovered as it dived for the earth. The aircraft impacted the ground, nose down, at greater than a 45' degree angle. The engine dug a shallow trench for 50 feet or so, then flipped over. The aircraft was wholly intact. Both occupants were deceased and their bodies were suspended upside down and restrained by their seatbelts. Even to a layperson, it was obvious what had killed them... without trying to be funny.... The aircraft dash had made an impression on both their faces and foreheads.... IMHO, this crash would have been survivable if they both had been wearing a full face helmet. Of course nobody does wear them, and nobody plans on crashing, but helmets really are worth considering.

  • @onthemoney7237
    @onthemoney7237 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I converted a motorcycle helmet for around 70.00 plus the headset I already had . I Use it for my altralight and plan on using it for my light sport plane as well . I’ve hit windshields and handle bars before it wasn’t fun but it would have been a lot worst without a helmet 👍

  • @CCitis
    @CCitis 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Holy Moly... Paul, I liked you before... but seeing you geared up with a 1290 Super Duke, and talking about that Heritage not being your ride...you have a fan for life. Much respect. And good choice of motorcycle.

  • @qhergt111
    @qhergt111 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The QH Aviation kit is the most affordable method of converting any existing helmet such as a motorcycle helmet for aviation use.
    Plus, it's designed so if you need to exit the aircraft in a hurry, it won't cause you to get hung up. Everything will easily pull free of the helmet, or disconnect with a single pin connection on the main cable.

  • @andrewh8504
    @andrewh8504 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The first thing I thought of when you said Bonehead was skydiving. Was many moons ago but I remember the brand.

  • @DefiantSix
    @DefiantSix 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good video, Paul. Thanks, as usual for the deep intellectual dive into something we should all give some serious thought to.
    In that vein, I'd like to offer just one countervailing point to include in anyone's calculus on whether a helmet is a good choice for them. That point is that the weight of a helmet must be carefully considered against the proposed protection to your skull and face. Yeah, it may keep your face from getting marked up by sudden contact with the panel, but if you've splurged for the model with all the bells and whistles, it doesn't take that much to turn a contusion from face planting into the panel to a snapped neck because of all that weight at the end of an unrestrained lever arm that continues forward while the rest of the body remains in place.
    Not advocating against helmets by any means, but definitely consider all angles of the equation before you buy, or worse, attempt to use a helmet intended for a different set of circumstances in a situation where it could do more harm than good.

    • @tsumacity
      @tsumacity 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agree.
      Dale Ernheart gave the racing world a reason to adopt HANS.
      (Head And Neck restraint System)

  • @nicholasmartin7585
    @nicholasmartin7585 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The best presenter I have come across: sage and amusing.

  • @dpbusby
    @dpbusby 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I know nothing about general aviation, but I do like your air of absolute common sense, and would watch your videos for that alone.

  • @losttownstreet3409
    @losttownstreet3409 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Many countries have regulations for mandatory flight helmets and testing of flight helmets (certified helmet for airborne sports). Some planes require these helmets some not and sometimes you'll only find out if you look carefully in the paperwork as they may get registered in either ways. You could get some with full face protection and some with only some protection of the head. I had seen some accidents where full face helmets would had saved the day (not fatal but an open wound with a trip to the hospital: 2 x two stitches; 1x break of the two cable at low altitude and hitting the face with the cable; 1x hitting the face on an aluminum bar). I myself hit my head on the aluminum bars multiple times and it's comfortable to to this with an helmet. One time I had seen a crash with a helmet, where we only needed pliers to get the pilot out and everything was good (crosswind gust at the worst possible moment).

  • @megamilyon6111
    @megamilyon6111 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I used to race drag cars all through the 90's. The cars were heavily modified mustangs. 1/4 times ranged from 8.20's to 10.50's. I crashed twice. Both times my cars had full roll cages and I was wearing a helmet and 5 point harness. One of the crashed was multiple roll over. I walked away unharmed. I always wondered by light airplanes arent built with full roll cage and pilots wearing helmets. I think the cage could be built cheap ($1-2k) and add about 150 lbs. I can understand a pilot not want to wear a helmet full time but at least keeping it nearby in case of emergency. I have no idea how many lives would be saved but I cant imagine it would make planes any more dangerous.

  • @JeffCurtisIflyHG
    @JeffCurtisIflyHG 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Definitely thumbs up on wearing a helmet for more advanced flying. #1 helmet failure mechanism, coming off your head due to not using the chin strap or having it too loose. See 14:37 through 15:07 of the video. If you could find a full face helmet designed for headsets not only would you be able to hear better but the person on the other end of the transmission will be able to hear you better too. HG pilots fly with full face helmets and most build the microphones and speakers into recesses in the foam specifically designed for the purpose. We use 2 meter ham radios but all the same things apply. Given that the inside of lighter planes have exposed bracing a full face auto racing helmet might be the closest match. Auto racing helmets are design to protect against hitting exposed roll bars, the seating position is similar (as opposed to motorcycle) and more drivers are using radios so it may be possible to either buy an auto helmet with mic and speakers installed or move the guts of a headset into the helmet. Auto race cars are certainly loud so hearing and making yourself heard over a radio is a similar problem to flying, they likely use the same or similar solutions to aviation. All auto racing requires helmets so there are likely more options including price. Race cars can also achieve the same speeds as recreational aircraft and can certainly come to a sudden stop so light weight is also critical to survivability.

  • @av8tor261
    @av8tor261 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Canadian Aviation Regulation 602.29 (1) (f) (ii) where the aircraft is not an advanced ultra-light aeroplane, is wearing a protective helmet. That means it can be anything. Hockey helmet, bicycle helmet, painter helmet, leather helmet. No requirement for DOT approval. I wear my helicopter helmet in FAR 103's. DOT-3 always on my motorcycle. I say, "people that wear helmets have something worth protecting." Be safe everyone.

  • @andrewbeldin659
    @andrewbeldin659 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another great vid. Thanks for these practical and informative series.

  • @speedbirdpdx
    @speedbirdpdx 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome video Paul / AVweb! You make these topics very informative and entertaining at the same time.

  • @jamess9670
    @jamess9670 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve wondered why helmet use wasn’t a thing in civilian fixed wing aviation since my flight training days back in 2001. On my first cross country, I stopped into this one airport and chatted with the airport manager. He recounted two accidents he had witnessed at that airport where the pilots might have survived had he had a helmet on.
    Chatted with some of the guys in my class about this and even one of my flight instructors and everyone thought helmets are unnecessary

  • @gerglmuff
    @gerglmuff 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    We run Snell SA2010+ in race cars, gotta be similar usage case in light aircraft. SA means they are fire resistant compared to the M standard, which is not.
    i am not a pilot, but it seems wild to me to not put a helmet on when flying. its wild to get into any performance vehicle without a helmet.

  • @cobra646
    @cobra646 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Many of the crews flying humanitarian GA around the world (MAF, JAARS, NTMA, mostly mission flights into remote communities) wear helmets. I'm guessing lessons learned the hard way over the years.

  • @deansiracusa3966
    @deansiracusa3966 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Meyers 200 was certified in 1957 and was revolutionary to include shoulder harnesses as standard at that time.

  • @andy.puempel
    @andy.puempel 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good video, Paul. Very informative discussion mixed with your dry humorous style. Head protection is something that GA pilots have likely never given any thought to. Thanks for highliting the risks and possible benefits of using head protection. I always look forward to your very entertaining and informative work!

  • @skinnyflea2628
    @skinnyflea2628 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for another informative video. Looking forward to the seatbelts one.

  • @michaelberry950
    @michaelberry950 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "Get your own fantasy" SHUCKS

  • @dugandav1
    @dugandav1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You could always take a helmet and put it in the back ~ given the most likely occurrence is an engine failure usually once you have chosen your field and committed to a no engine land you could still have time to don a helmet; providing off course you remember it’s behind you!

  • @JETZcorp
    @JETZcorp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    When you say there's too little data to even hazard a guess about which helmet standard is best for aviation, I don't think that's correct. First off, we can dismiss DOT right off because it's a very loose standard that even garbage-tier helmets comply with, including those pathetic egg-shells that the Hog riders use in mandate States. So it won't be that. ECE is best for motorcycle crashes, because it has the highest standards for sustaining a single outrageous skull-splattering impact. Snell is intended for auto racing crashes, in which your head tends to bounce around and make multiple impacts with roll bars and steering wheels and such. I believe that, based on the nature of what an airplane is (a crumply cage), Snell is almost certainly the best of the available standards to choose from.

    • @FlyingNDriving
      @FlyingNDriving 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I agree

    • @privateer4203
      @privateer4203 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I’m 71 years old and have been riding motorcycles for 56 years. I’ve had three smashups, none which were my fault of course, and my experience in always wearing a helmet is any helmet is better than no helmet.

    • @JETZcorp
      @JETZcorp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@privateer4203 This is absolutely true! I was saved from the hospital by a crappy cheap DOT rated helmet which didn't fit right and was definitely too old. The difference between any helmet and no helmet is vast. Better is still better, but we must also remember not to let "perfect" stop us from actually doing what's "good enough".

  • @clarkgriswold-zr5sb
    @clarkgriswold-zr5sb 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very nice video, as usual Mr. Bertorelli! Looking at the stats, the helmet is a no brainer (flying the sport planes). But, there's the part about being "that guy"... Face and forehead protection are my area of concern as there aren't many side load issues while flying. Birds through the windscreen/canopy are a concern too.

  • @aevdave
    @aevdave ปีที่แล้ว

    Reminder to do the seatbelt/airbag video.

  • @N17C1
    @N17C1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I once spoke with a government employee who was involved in coming up with the helmet spec for military helmets. He said something like 'We tested the best helmet we could find and then wrote the spec around those test results. We don't know what that translates to in terms of medical injuries'.

    • @egl8983
      @egl8983 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Not true. I worked for years in military life support, and safety specs were developed after numerous studies including reviewing accident data, consulting with flight surgeons, development testing, and then final qualification tests. It was often the military that lead the way in aircraft safety improvements, with the civilian world following later.

  • @chicoarraes
    @chicoarraes 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I might be completely wrong on this one, but somehow it feel unfair to compare fatalities per number of registered vehicles... I mean wouldn't that be affected by average number of passengers, average hours of use of that type of vehicle... I mean, a car might be registered, but if it's sitting on a garage it will hardly cause a fatality. Wouldn't it make more sense to compare fatality per number of hours of use? If I'm not mistaken, if you do that comparison, aviation comes closer to motorcycles... but I'm not sure if that's all aviation or general aviation specifically

    • @AVweb
      @AVweb  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Fair question. And that is a good way to look at it. But it gets complicated. You have to compute miles driven to hours and while it can be done, I've never been satisfied with the accuracy of it. Rates per vehicle is quick and dirty, but fair.

    • @nghicks42
      @nghicks42 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s the only way I’ve ever seen aircraft accident rates compared-per standard unit of flight hours (i.e., accidents per 100 hours, accidents per 10,000 hours, or whatever scale makes the most sense). Per-vehicle accidents (or even just a subcategory of accidents-such as fatalities) just doesn’t seem to allow for meaningful comparison.

  • @metamurph
    @metamurph 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In the bicycle world there is a "light debate" here at times too. IE in Holland, around town you probably wouldn't wear a helmet but you have protected bike lanes, etc. and on the other side is if you get whacked by a car doing 50...the helmet is maybe just going to enable you to still have an open casket. A vendor just needs a way for the helmet to be cool...heads up display on the face shield :-) after all they have it in ski goggles and helmets now.

  • @billmoran3812
    @billmoran3812 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’ve noticed helmets are much more common with helicopter pilots than fixed wing.
    I suppose the degree of risk would support that. I can certainly see helmets on open cockpit or powered parachute designs and for some who fly aerobatics.

    • @Mike_Costello
      @Mike_Costello 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The noise attenuation that the helmet brings also helps with that decision I think. Choppers are noisy.

  • @johnwatson3948
    @johnwatson3948 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I once studied the accident reports for early 1950’s Air Force bombers before the mandatory helmets of the B-52 jet age. I noticed that many crashes with large crews had at least some fatalities from “head impacts” that seemed could have been prevented with helmets.

  • @JosephMullin
    @JosephMullin 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The last I checked on motorcycle helmets the standard was to survive a 35 MPH impact. When your on the highway you are probably doin 70 MPH. I wouldn't wear a full face helmet because the curve of the face shield distorts your peripheral vision and the padding reduces sound.
    In the Navy I wore a helmet as it was required.

  • @leeross7896
    @leeross7896 ปีที่แล้ว

    I do both motorcycle and fly, I could tell early on that the airplane was less forgiving of lack of attention or over confidence. I got my first motorcycle when I was 5 and now 5 decades later even at high speeds my brain has no trouble keeping up with the motorcycle and maintaining complete situational awareness. I got my pilots license at 19 and decades later I am always surprised at how easily I can become task saturated in an aircraft, little distractions like losing a vacuum pump at the right time can cause it and single pilot IFR will always be close to my limits if I am doing it well.

  • @SimonAmazingClarke
    @SimonAmazingClarke 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A helmet is cheaper than a coffin. Also some facial protection would save missing bits of your face or skull.