Hybrid v Mild Hybrid - Get the facts.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ธ.ค. 2019
- What's the difference between a Toyota Hybrid & a Mild Hybrid?
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"Mild Hybrid" as a fancy Start-Stop system is just about the best description of these 48V systems...
well it shuts of 28% more in a BMW 530d which really improves fuel economy and lower emissions.
Don't ignore the fact that you also get a power boost at low RPM's.
Sorry, but volts is NOT energy. You can get the same amount of energy in a 48 Volt and a 600 Volt system.
I guess he meant constant amperage
He needs the volts to power the electric engine :(
Not true since to aquire the power of a 600 volt battery running on 1 Amper means a 48 volt battery would need 12.5, lastly a hybrid 1.8 uses nickel batteries producing 51kw while a 2.0 Toyota hybrid does 82kw.
So a Toyota hybrid battery can produce up to 80000 watts while a mild hybrid ranges from 500 watts to 1000 watts, max output of a mild hybrid is 20 amps (48 volts)(1kw) while a Toyota hybrid max output is 133 amps (600 volts)(80kw)
A Toyota hybrid battery produces up to 86 horsepower while a mild hybrid does .3 to 1.2 horsepower
(No thermal loss included)
For a mild hybrid 48v battery to push 80kw it would need about 1,600 amps which is impossible using the largest wires possible for a car.
Fast forward 3 years and Toyota’s now rocking the mild hybrid with their Land Cruiser! 🚙 Guess they took his ‘constructive criticism’ to heart and made it top-notch! 😂 #PlotTwist
Forgot ro mention that the normal hybrid costs 40% higher ( in some cases 10000€ more) than a mild hybrid that has almost the cost of a regular engine..
On the test cycle, a *BMW 520d MHEV emitted 1 mg/km of NOx,* a Camry Hybrid produced 4mg/km... just saying
Note: I'm not biased as I like Toyota hybrid and love the new Camry hybrid. I do own a BMW 320d with mild-hybrid technology, it's very impressive and the engine is off 35% of normal driving and doesn't have a eCVT but has a nice 8-speed automatic. Some diesels pollute a good amount of NOx but most modern ones do *NOT.*
Can you share a link to that test?
Mild hybrids where the engines do all the work. The same as a hybrid. Because the electricity generated by a hybrid, is from the petrol engine. Anything that doesn't plug in gets energy from petrol or diesel.
Regenerative braking and power curve efficiency say hi.
This video comes across as so smarmy that it's made me want to buy a mild hybrid.
"In any system of energy, Control is what consumes energy the most.
No energy store holds enough energy to extract an amount of energy equal to the total energy it stores.
No system of energy can deliver sum useful energy in excess of the total energy put into constructing it.
This universal truth applies to all systems.
Energy, like time, flows from past to future".
It charges its self? Wow so you never to to charge or refuel amazing toyato. Oh wait you forget to mention it charges by the power of the engine using petrol
how much does the car go on full electric mode
You compared diesel with gasoline for NOx production?
How do they charge batteries..
I don't get why this video is getting so much hate, he exposes the facts and explains well. Although he works for Toyota and he makes the comparisons with their own. So what, we are not here to talk about prices and car weights
Well for starters he calls it a Toyota Hybrid system. It's just a hybrid system and not unique to Toyota. The other thing is that Toyota are also releasing mild hybrids so everything is saying about it. Being a Toyota hybrid is incorrect. Then he compares a diesel which is known for high pollution to a petrol hybrid which is not a accurate comparison
There's nothing mild about a Toyota hybrid? Except for the fact that Toyota also have a mild hybrid system
Am more concerned about battery life...which one last longer?
Excuse me but are you in the sales team? 'cause this is the most acid way of trying to present this fact. I've had a Auris and I can tell you that in the crowded town that live was consuming around 12 liters of gas / 100 km. I've changed with a Focus 1.5 L mild hybrid and, on the same city it's consuming 10 L / 100 km. And I can prove it, if you need. Interestingly, the transmission it's also automatic, not CVT but I can assure you that it's very comparable with it and with quite more torque. On the highway it's doing a lot better. I know that it's a different class but, man....I could agree that you want to make a commercial to Toyota, still, you don't need to be so subjective. Mild hybrid it's not so bad, I've tested both, and until Toyota will give me a car that goes below 12 L / 100 I'm sticking with the Ford that has won for years the engine of the year. By the way, 600 volts it's not the power. Power it's voltage multiplied by the current. If you want, I can teach you, I'm an engineer and I don't work on sales :)) .
I'm looking at getting the ford focus 1L mild hybrid 155ch! It definitely seems more logical than these Toyotas. Also way more aesthetically pleasing and better to drive. Even the official fuel consumption figures show that these Toyotas aren't that efficient. I just don't get what the hype is about
Whis here three years later because Toyota are selling 48v mild hybrids in Hilix and Prado. This one funny as fck stuff. 🤣
you're comparing 2 completely different hybrids, why bother
Because they're classified as hybrids and most (me included) don't know the difference
I am looking for diesel hybrid with manual transmission.
So your saying Toyota don’t make mild hybrids?
Once I found that this was just a Toyota ad, I lost interest, left this video and and sought an independent one.
No doubt that Toyota makes some good hybrid cars, but this video is more about sales than explaining how the two hybrid systems are working. He makes it sounds like the Toyotas get their battery charged in a magic way, and every other car is bad.
I must be missing something because I thought the only way a 600 Volt battery has more _energy_ than a 48 Volt battery is if they have the same capacity (measured in Ah (amp hours))? 🤨
Just drove a brand new raize..guys you need to work on this cvt transmission..I swear it got jammed twice for no reason while driving scared the hell out of me..felt like a strong force suddenly stopped the car...it's a good coaster to be honest..nippy enough but.. scary loud buggy CVT!
Mild hybrid is the quickest and cheapest solution from he lazy manufacturers, i have even seen them advertising them as hibrids and when you look into it deeper is when you find out is mild hybrid.
I totally agree with the video, full hybrid are better than mild hybrids.
Man I can generate 600 Volts with my hair and baloon thats not the comparison don t be the edison act like tesla
So a regular car uses its engine to charge the 12 V battery. So is that not the same as what a mild hybrid is doing? Simply charging its existing battery that does nothing to propel the car down the road?
Sounds like “mild hybrid” is just marketing fluff so people think they’re getting a more fuel efficient vehicle.
and now Toyota is building Diesel Mild Hybrids loooooooooooooooooooooool!
Toyota now using this system on diesel? “Why bother” you say. Sounds like Toyota were knocking it just a few years ago.
Toyota does a mild hybrid now 😂
Quite biased.
He is right tho... Even tho there are good mild hybrids out there.
He told facts, bitter facts that only Toyota makes super reliable hybrid that Ford, Chrysler, Volvo used. Honda hybrid are not as good. And mild hybrid is crawling baby steps. Better than nothing.
Wonder if he works for Toyota..
Neither of which are self-charging
"Now imagine that waterfall is about 6 inches high" because that's just about the worth of it.
Can you explain why your EV mode works with 25% battery life showing but it can also give the message that 'battery is too low for EV mode' when the battery has 80% lol
These facts are factually incorrect.
“Mild hybrids, why bother” If this statement is true, Toyota would not be producing more Mild Hybrid.
More importantly why doesn’t toyato make a BEV if they care about emissions and efficiency
@@u12uNiiGuNx They have one
@@aidan1585 now they do, at the time of that comment they didn’t and the CEO was adamant they don’t want to make BEVs as there wasn’t a market for them
@@u12uNiiGuNx I agree. Toyota has made some stodgy decision in the past.. Also, I find it weird how in this video they are dissing diesels when a few months before this, they had the Avensis diesel, Yaris diesel (still did in 2019 and 2020), Auris diesel, Corolla diesel, Landcruiser diesel, Proace City diesel, Proace diesel, Hilux diesel and RAV4 diesel... all of these (other than the Yaris, Landcruiser, Proace and Proace City and Hilux) used BMW diesel engines, the best; lowest fuel consumption, lowest emissions and best performance.
I think he wants to sell more PHEV than MHEV by the fact that he never compared the prices so this was the hidden information of the video...
Those who doesn’t have the technology and skills to produce full hybrid, will come up with useless stuffs like mild hybrid.
why, oh why did you have to start with equating energy with volts. not even watts. or watthours ... really, all the cells in every battery ever made is about 1.5V. then you just stack them up and make 12V, 600V, 3kV, anything inbetween, whatever amount a motor needs. the energy in these batteries, when fully charged, is directly proportional to their sheer weight. basically, you carry your energy as weight. and a 1000lb battery can take you around Ireland on a full charge, but a 1000lb load of petrol can take you around the whole Europe. that's also because the battery weighs exactly the same in any charging state, full to zero.
that said, an energy recovery system, i.e. a mild hybrid, should've been and might've been standard in any petrol car since 100 years ago. the technology is that old.
I owned a Toyota prius plug-in and it excellent. But a lady smashed it behind and got written off!
Toyota's CVT is so loud (+ noisy suspension) that you will be glad that you bought something else :)
Some slightly misleading comments in this video. I have just bought a brand new 2021 Suzuki Mild Hybrid 1.2L Ignis here in Spain with a newly designed 10 Ah lithium ion battery. Car is fully loaded, manual transmission, petrol and cost 16,800 euros out the door. On my 1st full tank I got 58 mpg. Cost of replacement battery is approx 600 euro and has a 5 year warranty. The car is also available with an automatic trans (CVT). Now, if you do the math and figure in the cost of buying a Toyota Hybrid in Ireland, long term, I believe the Suzuki is a much better value for money. I remember when my Father bought a Toyota Corrolla in the 80's...that's when Toyotas were still actually affordable...funny how there was no price comparison in the above video. I don't know anyone who can afford a new Toyota hybrid.
I can afford I am a foreigner I work 40 hours a week, and you don't need any miracles to afford it Moreover, now I am replacing it with a new plug in, so we can get to know each other, I will be the first one you know
@@rabbitflow1 Do you live in Ireland? Do you own your own home? Most people can barely afford rent, let alone expensive cars.
@@blurayffan66 yes I'm living in Ireland and yes I have my own house
Be careful out there, you might end up with a car that does not change gears for you. 😱
Mild hybrids are a huge marketing scam. It's just a fancy starter named under a legislation gap. Don't get fooled, get a hybrid. There, saved you a few hundred of euros and hours long of frustration.
This is a very biased video, doesn't look at the pros and cons of both. I know they are trying to promote their cars but cmon toyota. Dissapointing vid
Who wrote this script? Probably the most blatant propaganda since Nuremberg.
Mild hybrid helps turbo engines off the line (look at Mercs),
whereas normal hybrids help keep the car stay shyte.
u failed to fine explanation...
Hybrid sounds good. The biggest issue is still the range.
You can fuel-up a gas electric hybrid, like the Toyota Prius, at every gas station. The gasoline engine and the brakes are charging the battery. There is no need to plug it in. There are plug-in hybrids, which give you the option to charge the battery also at charging stations. This is different from all electric cars, like the Tesla, where range can be an issue. Electric charging stations might not be everywhere available, and charging an all electric vehicle takes more time than getting gas for a regular car or a hybrid.
1000 km range in most corolla hybrid, anything better than that? Diesel
Everything is fine as long as they are new. Once the battery is dead they are worth nothing.
What a useless video, full of useless "facts".. I'd expect better from Toyota tbh
Haha the cheek of you! Toyota 'self charge' BS superior than nothing. You forgot you need petrol to charge your crap. Also, this no need to stop to charge BS, you still need to stop to add petrol, and then we haven't even discussed the cost of petrol. Haha jokers.
The hybrid era will be over in the next 10 years. It is a transition technology, nothing more. The actual future is in pure electric vehicles, powered by batteries, or for large vehicles (lorries, coaches etc.) a hydrogen fuel cell. At present, the only justification for a hybrid is if you need to do regular journeys that exceed the range of an EV, or you live in a home that cannot support home charging.
Mild hybrid is useless
All hybrids are dead technology anyway, the last death throws of combustion engined vehicles. Basically if the car has a liquid fuel tank that you put petrol or diesel in, then it is dead technology. Toyota are picking over the bones here, why? Because they have been caught napping in EV development. Like BMW did with the i3, Toyota got all smug about the Prius and its eco credentials, then just walked away saying 'job done'. The Prius and the i3 are both great cars, but they were the beginning of the process of change for Toyota and BMW, not the end.
You can't compare them because they are not the same or made for compete. A mild hybrid is much simpler and light. It's just a help to the combustion engine. Compare them is nonsense.